Watch video makes you sick and another situation where taser could help

[Crex4242]

http://www.break.com/index/cop_attacked_during_routine_stop.html

[blueronin]

It dosn't show the final outcome. What happened? Was the attacker arrested?

[SHERIFF]

It dosn't show the final outcome. What happened? Was the attacker arrested?

Yes. Another resident came to the officer's aid as well.

I imagine if the officer had pulled a taser out the guy would have taken it away from him and the situation would have suddenly become worse.

[CWMQKClady]

That does make me sick. And angry. :mad: My older daughter couldn't stand to watch the rest of it.

What happened to the officer? Is he okay?

[gaboy260]

The way things were going a taser might not have had made much of a difference. Thank god the officer was not killed because it looked like that guy wasnt the the 95% of people who fight just to get away. Hindsight is always 20/20, we say what we would have done but what "could" you have really done.

[SHERIFF]

We dicsussed that video during a recent in-service and determined, based on Florida law, that deadly force would have been acceptable under the law.

It would be great if you, your fellow classmates, and the training academy could render this decision in a wrongful death lawsuit. But, unfortunately, it's left up to a jury or judge in a lawsuit.

[Soon2Be]

It would be great if you, your fellow classmates, and the training academy could render this decision in a wrongful death lawsuit. But, unfortunately, it's left up to a jury or judge in a lawsuit.Who cares if there's a wrongful death suit, if the application of force is technically correct?

[SHERIFF]

Who cares if there's a wrongful death suit, if the application of force is technically correct?

Well, a lot of smaller cities and counties would care if a $10 million judgement is awarded. A $10 million judgement would bankrupt a few cities and counties in just about every state in the USA. And it really pays havoc with their bond ratings too. :D

[Matto]

Well, a lot of smaller cities and counties would care if a $10 million judgement is awarded. A $10 million judgement would bankrupt a few cities and counties in just about every state in the USA. And it really pays havoc with their bond ratings too. :D
I'd certainly hope that if an officer was getting beat and to the point of someone possibly getting his weapon, he wouldn;'t be worrying about whether or not the city would get sued. Thats the thinking that gets cops killed.

[Crex4242]

I'd certainly hope that if an officer was getting beat and to the point of someone possibly getting his weapon, he wouldn;'t be worrying about whether or not the city would get sued. Thats the thinking that gets cops killed.


Well said*****

[CelticCop]

Yeah, most here have seen that poor ba$t4rd in Georgia's Dashcam tape where the nutball pulls a Mini-14 and blows him away and he never goes beyond Verbal Commands. :( He'd been verbally disciplined by his Supervisor the day before for being "too aggressive". So he had that "I gotta be nice and not escalate things" thought running through his head. Got him killed. :mad: He needed the aggression on that stop. F*&^ retreating to the vehicle while the a-hole loads and cocks the weapon. Ya tell him twice and run a body armor drill on him... 2 to the Body and 1 to the Head. :mad:

Similar situations call for similar actions...

[lowdrag]

A wrongful death suit is a given in any instance when an officer uses force and someone dies. So truthfully, there really is no reason to care one way or another about it. If you are involved in a situation where you use deadly force and someone dies, you will be sued, no if's and's or but's about it. Doesn't matter how justified you are. So technically, Soon2Be is right, who cares.

[mjlam23]

Who was in the cruiser that moved the camera?

[AZWannabe]

Any one of those Texas Haybailers could have killed that poor cop, which is what I think he was trying to do. Put me on a jury and I'll call that a justified shooting.

I know someone saw that. Why don't they help? That is what bothers me in these videos. If I saw that happening to anyone let alone a cop, that guy would be kicking the crap out of two of us.


--I stand corrected. I missed the post that says someone came to the officer's aid. Sorry.

[Rapax]

Bad guy had escaped from jail on a murder charge. The Sgt. was fine, didn't even have to go to the hospital. Bad guy arrested.

[CWMQKClady]

The Sgt. was fine, didn't even have to go to the hospital. Bad guy arrested.
Good. I'm glad the Sgt. is okay.

[bigcop97]

Yes. Another resident came to the officer's aid as well.

I imagine if the officer had pulled a taser out the guy would have taken it away from him and the situation would have suddenly become worse.

I agree,

You need space and time to pull and successfully deploy the Taser. From what I could tell they were in pretty close proximity the whole time... looked to me like the suspect was in pretty good control of the officer... the officer needed to worry about just getting away at that point...

[Mannix]

Yes. Another resident came to the officer's aid as well.

I imagine if the officer had pulled a taser out the guy would have taken it away from him and the situation would have suddenly become worse.

Sheriff, you're a complete and utter horses ***. If you aren't anti police here to stir up people then I'm not typing this. I wish officer.com would get rid of you once and for all. Get a life and get lost.

[MPSRT]

Sheriff, you're a complete and utter horses ***. If you aren't anti police here to stir up people then I'm not typing this. I wish officer.com would get rid of you once and for all. Get a life and get lost.

Wow, that seems like a bit of an over reaction.

[scratch13]

So what is your answer sheriff????? :confused: :mad:

So you say that he shouldn't have drawn a taser because it may have been used on him. You also say that deadly force should not have been used. So what next? Just fight through it and hope not to get knocked out? You really really think that this guy should have had one single thought of lawsuit on his mind during that struggle????

That is exactly what gets officers hurt and killed in situations like this. He gets knocked out, BG HAS the gun, HAS the taser, HAS the shotgun and anything else in the cruiser. SHOT the bastard before he kills you. :mad: This is a PERFECT example for using deadly force. If you cannot articulate why your life is in danger and you had to use deadly for in this situation, then you are a wet turd.

Remember the video of the officer fighting the BG wit the gun, the BG tries to shot the officer who then later shoots the BG in the head? Yeah, his Daddy is suing or will sue. Why? Because that is what sh*tbag families do. Don't equate your life to a lawsuit, because you will die. :mad:

[js2967]

I am new to this forum, so don't have the background some of you might regarding his prior posts, but I hope to GOD that Sheriff is not an actual Sheriff making command decisions that affect deputies out there in real situations like the one in the video.

[zap]

I am new to this forum, so don't have the background some of you might regarding his prior posts, but I hope to GOD that Sheriff is not an actual Sheriff making command decisions that affect deputies out there in real situations like the one in the video.


Many of us here have come to that same conclusion based upon his posts here.

However, if you look closely, the officer initially goes for his gun...either to draw or cover it. In my opinion...he didn't have a chance to draw either a firearm or a taser from what I could see...and in that case...screw the taser...this was a deadly force situation.

[scratch13]

I am new to this forum, so don't have the background some of you might regarding his prior posts, but I hope to GOD that Sheriff is not an actual Sheriff making command decisions that affect deputies out there in real situations like the one in the video.

O.com has been very aggressive in dealing with those that question the posters as opposed to what the posters have said. However, he is not a sheriff or ever was - he just "likes" to be called sheriff.

Stay on topic, though.

[scratch13]

Many of us here have come to that same conclusion based upon his posts here.

However, if you look closely, the officer initially goes for his gun...either to draw or cover it. In my opinion...he didn't have a chance to draw either a firearm or a taser from what I could see...and in that case...screw the taser...this was a deadly force situation.

Absolutely without a question a deadly force encounter if there ever was one.

[js2967]

I'm sorry but I don't consider it off topic to comment on the fact that, upon viewing a potentially deadly encounter, someone would even consider the effect of a lawsuit on the city or county budget should the officer use deadly force to defend his life. As was said earlier that kind of mindset by administrators can and has created environments where officers hesitate, then die. And I wanted to know if that person was in fact an administrator, because I would need to pray for the safety of the officers under his command.

[scratch13]

I'm sorry but I don't consider it off topic to comment on the fact that, upon viewing a potentially deadly encounter, someone would even consider the effect of a lawsuit on the city or county budget should the officer use deadly force to defend his life. As was said earlier that kind of mindset by administrators can and has created environments where officers hesitate, then die. And I wanted to know if that person was in fact an administrator, because I would need to pray for the safety of the officers under his command.

I do not disagree with what you are saying but that type of talk can get you banned.

[So Fla Cop]

O.com has been very aggressive in dealing with those that question the posters as opposed to what the posters have said. However, he is not a sheriff or ever was - he just "likes" to be called sheriff.

Stay on topic, though.

I think you mean they have been very aggressive in dealing with those that expose, or oppose, "sheriff".

[Dinosaur32]

Sheriff is absolutely incorrect regarding the use of deadly physical force in this instance. In the most liberal State of New York, in an agency where every bit of our training is approved by a liberal counsel's office, we are taught that in a physical confrontation in which you are in danger of being physically overpowered the use of deadly physical force to terminate the attack is approved.

[Crex4242]

Sheriff is absolutely incorrect regarding the use of deadly physical force in this instance. In the most liberal State of New York, in an agency where every bit of our training is approved by a liberal counsel's office, we are taught that in a physical confrontation in which you are in danger of being physically overpowered the use of deadly physical force to terminate the attack is approved.



I agree and really would not think about a law suit when I am trying to save my own life.

[crashtest]

I think you mean they have been very aggressive in dealing with those that expose, or oppose, "sheriff".

couldnt have said that better myself

[crashtest]

Sheriff is absolutely incorrect regarding the use of deadly physical force in this instance. In the most liberal State of New York, in an agency where every bit of our training is approved by a liberal counsel's office, we are taught that in a physical confrontation in which you are in danger of being physically overpowered the use of deadly physical force to terminate the attack is approved.

+1...............

[LSCAP]

Originall posted by sheriff
"Yes. Another resident came to the officer's aid as well.

I imagine if the officer had pulled a taser out the guy would have taken it away from him and the situation would have suddenly become worse."

Wow. Did I get that wrong!
I thought he meant that they would fight for the taser, then the LEO would go for his gun, and they could have been fighting for the gun, and LEOs have been killed with their own gun.

Sorry People.

[MPSRT]

BTW, the Taser is not infallible. If the situation calls for deadly force, use it.

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