What part of this is illegal?

[LEOSupporter]

I am posting this question here so non-LEO's can also answer.

There is a certain person who is putting ads in a ads place trying to bait men ito sending their photos, than after getting them hooked he/she is putting all info found on his/her website for all to see. This person is going through differants states on same ad forum baiting men using false names (oppiste sex than what person really is) This person lives on the East Coast and some here may have viewed some of the bad forums that this person had up.

I Will Not post the website but if anyone wants to view it pm me and I'll send the link.

Is what this person doing illegal?

I understand the copryright laws but than there is the DMCA that protects some copyrights somewhat.

I also heard of a law that may fit into the catogory of what this person is doing.

I do not understand how this creep can legally use photos that were sent to a female (supposedly)..not to the person's name.

[LEOSupporter]

This person is also sending notifications to the victims work place (if e-mail was sent from a work place) and notifying persons wives if they are married.

This person will use the isp to track people to fnd out who they are also.

[detsarg]

There is a certain person who is putting ads in a ads place trying to bait men ito sending their photos, than after getting them hooked he/she is putting all info found on his/her website for all to see.

As an old fraud detective my first question would be; what is the benifit to the person posting the photos and information on a web site?

We have to establish a motive.

[LEOSupporter]

As an old fraud detective my first question would be; what is the benifit to the person posting the photos and information on a web site?

We have to establish a motive.

My personal opinion..for the attention and hits to his/her site

I will PM you the name to search for right here on officer.com to see who it is

[Raiden]

I am posting this question here so non-LEO's can also answer.

There is a certain person who is putting ads in a ads place trying to bait men ito sending their photos, than after getting them hooked he/she is putting all info found on his/her website for all to see. This person is going through differants states on same ad forum baiting men using false names (oppiste sex than what person really is) This person lives on the East Coast and some here may have viewed some of the bad forums that this person had up.

I Will Not post the website but if anyone wants to view it pm me and I'll send the link.

Is what this person doing illegal?

I understand the copryright laws but than there is the DMCA that protects some copyrights somewhat.

I also heard of a law that may fit into the catogory of what this person is doing.

I do not understand how this creep can legally use photos that were sent to a female (supposedly)..not to the person's name.

LEOSupporter,

Each state is different, but in NY state it sounds like a computer crime!

Here are the relevant NY CPL statutes:

Section 156.30 Unlawful duplication of computer related material

A person is guilty of unlawful duplication of computer related material when having no right to do so, he copies, reproduces or duplicates in any manner:

1. any computer data or computer program and thereby intentionally and wrongfully deprives or appropriates from an owner thereof an economic value or benefit in excess of two thousand five hundred dollars; or

2. any computer data or computer program with an intent to commit or attempt to commit or further the commission of any felony.

Unlawful duplication of computer related material is a class E felony.

Section 156.35 Criminal possession of computer related material

A person is guilty of criminal possession of computer related material when having no right to do so, he knowingly possesses, in any form, any copy, reproduction or duplicate of any computer data or computer program which was copied, reproduced or duplicated in violation of section 156.30 of this article, with intent to benefit himself or a person other than an owner thereof.

Criminal possession of computer related material is a class E felony.

[LEOSupporter]

LEOSupporter,

Each state is different, but in NY state it sounds like a computer crime!

Here are the relevant NY CPL statutes:

Section 156.30 Unlawful duplication of computer related material.

Not sure if that law would apply here but this one might


It is a crime to communicate with another via written or electronic means with intent to annoy, harass, or alarm In New York, it is called "Aggravated Harassment 2nd Degree" (Section 240.30 of the New York State Penal Law).


I may add New York is the persons place of residence

[nebraska_deputy]

So this guy is posing as a woman and once guys send him pictures he is contacting the wives?

[Bing_Oh]

Is this about the news story I saw a few days ago? The one where a couple people were posting bogus profiles one of those "sex wanted" website and then reposting all the info (including the email addresses and real names if they could find them) of the guys who responded?

[slamdunc]

Is there a reasonable expectation of privacy on the world wide web? Unless this is a secure, encrypted server, the user is only assuming it is safe.
This theory about Aggravated Harassment will have to be proven out. You have to actually show their intent to annoy, harass, or alarm.
Private investigators use similar techniques every day.

[LEOSupporter]

So this guy is posing as a woman and once guys send him pictures he is contacting the wives?


AND posting the pics, emails and if sent from a work e-mail calling the work place up.

The person freely admits what he is doing online. Maybe i should get some screenshots of that proof

[LEOSupporter]

Is there a reasonable expectation of privacy on the world wide web? Unless this is a secure, encrypted server, the user is only assuming it is safe.
This theory about Aggravated Harassment will have to be proven out. You have to actually show their intent to annoy, harass, or alarm.
Private investigators use similar techniques every day.

It is mentioned on what he is doing on the site

[slamdunc]

If these 'married' men are stupid enough to fall for something like this, they deserve what they get.
Unless this person is extorting or attempting to extort money, influence or favors, my first thought is that it is a civil matter.
If this person is seeking payment, it is of course, criminal. Sounds like a crappy prank.

[detsarg]

If these 'married' men are stupid enough to fall for something like this, they deserve what they get.

Just think how easy our jobs would be if we didn't have to contend with the "stupid" victim.

Unless this person is extorting or attempting to extort money, influence or favors, my first thought is that it is a civil matter.
If this person is seeking payment, it is of course, criminal. Sounds like a crappy prank.

Agreed. I have yet to see the violation of a criminal law, in Florida at least.

[firemanjb]

Not sure if that law would apply here but this one might


It is a crime to communicate with another via written or electronic means with intent to annoy, harass, or alarm In New York, it is called "Aggravated Harassment 2nd Degree" (Section 240.30 of the New York State Penal Law).


I may add New York is the persons place of residence

But what you are describing is not communication...the website owner gets the info from a willing provider, then just posts it publicly.

I'm not sure you have anything illegal here...the guys are voluntarily giving info, and as long as the receiver/poster is not attempting to gain pecuniary or other compense from the providers, then it sounds like a legal, though not necessarily "right", website.

[slamdunc]

But what you are describing is not communication...the website owner gets the info from a willing provider, then just posts it publicly.

I'm not sure you have anything illegal here...the guys are voluntarily giving info, and as long as the receiver/poster is not attempting to gain pecuniary or other compense from the providers, then it sounds like a legal, though not necessarily "right", website.
Exactly; These guys are also providing their photographs and if they are copyrighted, that would have to be litigated in civil court.

[mac266]

So, uhhh....dude....what did your wife say when you got busted out? :cool:

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

[LEOSupporter]

Is this about the news story I saw a few days ago? The one where a couple people were posting bogus profiles one of those "sex wanted" website and then reposting all the info (including the email addresses and real names if they could find them) of the guys who responded?

Probably not the same people but is the same thing. This (male) is psoting adds in one place posing a sa female college age trying to get men to send photos or whatever. The main purpose is to expose men who look on line for dates or sex.

[LEOSupporter]

If these 'married' men are stupid enough to fall for something like this, they deserve what they get. Sounds like a crappy prank.


I agree. I believe one should not be married if they want to play around

[LEOSupporter]

But what you are describing is not communication...the website owner gets the info from a willing provider, then just posts it publicly.

I'm not sure you have anything illegal here...the guys are voluntarily giving info, and as long as the receiver/poster is not attempting to gain pecuniary or other compense from the providers, then it sounds like a legal, though not necessarily "right", website.


The website owner is pretending to be a female, so when the men e-mail the supposed female back, how can this male post photos from the e-mail?

[LPI]

Is there a reasonable expectation of privacy on the world wide web? Unless this is a secure, encrypted server, the user is only assuming it is safe.
This theory about Aggravated Harassment will have to be proven out. You have to actually show their intent to annoy, harass, or alarm.
Private investigators use similar techniques every day.

LOL, off topic, but I must have missed that one in PI 101. :confused:

[LEOSupporter]

So, uhhh....dude....what did your wife say when you got busted out? :cool:

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Hope this wasn't toward me cause

one: I'm not a dude but am a dudette :D

two: not married, just happily single :)

three: i don't answer to ad's online or look for relationships online other than friendship ;)

I'll give a hint on who this website owner is. Anyone remember the website against US soldiers? Had some outright disgusting things on it, was on the Hannity n Colmes awhile back and got spanked royally from both of them.

[nebraska_deputy]

Whats the web site? This would be interesting to see. I can't see why someone who's married would go on-line to mess around with someone who lives hundreds of miles away that they know they don't have a chance with. If they are that unhappy with their wife then they should get divorced. I really hate to say this, but anyone who does this job will be crossed one time or another with a "Groupie" and a lot the time they are not too bad looking. So why would they mess with someone on-line and not one of them. :D Then again on the other hand I would hate to see someone talk to this guy and just chatting around with him get accused of doing something they are not doing. There are a lot of people on here with good intentions that are married and not looking for someone to sleep around with, but just looking for chat. :)

[LEOSupporter]

Whats the web site? This would be interesting to see. I can't see why someone who's married would go on-line to mess around with someone who lives hundreds of miles away that they know they don't have a chance with. If they are that unhappy with their wife then they should get divorced.

Sent it via PM, do not want to add the lnik here in public

The ads are being placed in differant areas (states) you won't know where till it is poted on the website with victims.

And iIagree with you on the latter, for both sides, husband/wife

[slamdunc]

LOL, off topic, but I must have missed that one in PI 101.
Private Investigators use all kinds of tricks to catch cheats. They have female operatives (usually fairly HOT) go to bars and hit on their targeted male suspect. They get picked up and record the whole thing. The PI then turns it over to their client (usually the wife), and they have their ammo.
They are also using the internet now; sites like CL and others. Any information they yield from there (including photos that they scam) is fair game. I guess PI101 doesn't get into this aspect; when you get to PI327 they will give you the secret decoder ring.

[LEOSupporter]

Private Investigators use all kinds of tricks to catch cheats. They have female operatives (usually fairly HOT) go to bars and hit on their targeted male suspect. They get picked up and record the whole thing. The PI then turns it over to their client (usually the wife), and they have their ammo.
They are also using the internet now; sites like CL and others. Any information they yield from there (including photos that they scam) is fair game. I guess PI101 doesn't get into this aspect; when you get to PI327 they will give you the secret decoder ring.

I want to become a PI. But don't need the decoder ring ;)
Or at least an assistant helper. :)

[slamdunc]

Whats the web site? This would be interesting to see. I can't see why someone who's married would go on-line to mess around with someone who lives hundreds of miles away that they know they don't have a chance with.
There are listings for all over the world. People can search cities near their homes.
Here are the ones from Nebraska

http://lincoln.craigslist.org/w4m/

http://omaha.craigslist.org/w4m/

(not to imply that you'll use these for anything other than checking the thread)

I actually caught a friend's husband posting on here in the 'Men Seeking Men' section. She found some photos on her computer and I had a friend check the harddrive to see where they came from. They have since kissed and made up, but how can you trust someone like that again?

[So Fla Cop]

Sounds like something a wacky star guy would do.

[LPI]

Private Investigators use all kinds of tricks to catch cheats. They have female operatives (usually fairly HOT) go to bars and hit on their targeted male suspect. They get picked up and record the whole thing. The PI then turns it over to their client (usually the wife), and they have their ammo.
They are also using the internet now; sites like CL and others. Any information they yield from there (including photos that they scam) is fair game. I guess PI101 doesn't get into this aspect; when you get to PI327 they will give you the secret decoder ring.

LOL, I just had an attorney friend giving me crap today about having a secret decoder ring. I must have ordered the wrong study course from one of those mail order catalogues, because I never got one. ;)

In all seriousness, I do not use decoys to catch cheats. It doesn't really prove anything. U have a fat bald guy that may have not even considered cheating and have a hot blonde put the make on him, what does that prove? Just settin' someone up IMO. We simply follow, check records, etc. and if the proof is there, then it's there.

[ProWriter]

None of those cited statutes really apply, because the pictures were all provided voluntarily, even if under false pretenses. That also probably doesn't matter, because the files themselves have no monetary value to the recipient and the rightful owner isn't deprived of them.

Those statutes cover thing like accessing other people's computers without permission and stealing computer information. As was also pointed out, it's not harassment via computer either, because it's not communication directed at the victim.

There are several civil torts that could apply to maliciously publishing material meant to embarrass, humiliate, or cause intentional emotional distress, and especially, to causing direct vocational/economic harm, but probably nothing criminal.