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SHERIFF
08-22-2006, 01:56 PM
Notice the portion below in bold font. I have been trying to tell people this for a long time now. Chiefs and sheriffs don't want their rooks running 140 to 160 mph. Now you have from a horse's mouth. :D

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http://www.dailymail.com/story/News/+/200608215/%91General+Lee%27+an+attractive+cruiser+for+police +departments+in+state/

Monday August 21, 2006

‘General Lee' an attractive cruiser for police departments in state

DaimlerChrysler began production of the Dodge Charger in a police package last year, prompting law enforcement agencies across the country and in West Virginia to research the new cruiser.

The General Lee -- the car driven by Bo and Luke Duke -- is expected to continue tearing up the back roads of fictional Hazzard County in its bright orange skin, thank you very much.

The police version looks a bit different and is unlikely to be driven in such a reckless manner.

About 50 of the new cruisers are sprinkled around several police departments across the state, including agencies in Jackson, Logan, Lincoln, Mercer, Wood, Greenbrier, Grant, Mineral and Harrison counties. The Clarksburg Police Department has already bought 10, and many other departments are seriously considering the Charger.

It's a wild and aggressive design that immediately caught the eye of Jackson County Sheriff Mike Bright.

After speaking with other agencies and reading reviews of the car, the department ordered two for just under $20,000 each. They were delivered in mid-July and hit the road after the department installed police radios and other gadgets.

"I can tell you that the deputies have fallen in love with them. They handle great," Bright said. "I haven't had anybody say anything but good things about them."

Besides some difficulties with the steering column and gear shifter -- "It's kind of a radical design," Bright said -- the deputies have become accustomed to the cruisers.

Police can choose between a 250-horsepower V6 or 340-horsepower V8 Hemi with a top speed of 160 mph. Bright decided on the former because "I don't think a police car needs to go that fast."

The Dodge Charger came back into production two years ago after the name lay dormant for nearly 30 years. Many weren't surprised when Dodge introduced the Charger as a police cruiser soon after, mainly due to the rear-wheel drive and new four-door design.

Dodge stopped manufacturing police vehicles in the 1980s, leaving the market mainly to the Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor.

Bright drove a Chrysler police cruiser while with the State Police before becoming sheriff in 2005. Both the Dodge Coronet and Plymouth Fury were popular police cars in the 1960s through the 1980s.

"I suspected they would go the police route. It didn't surprise me at all that they'd get back into it," Bright said.

"I'm pleased with the way they perform and would recommend them to anybody."

Now Kanawha County Sheriff's officials are looking into the car after hearing good reviews from other departments. Sheriff Mike Rutherford expects to speak with county Commissioners next week to see whether they can allocate coal severance funds to purchase two new cruisers.

The department might purchase one Crown Victoria and one Charger for trial purposes.

Rutherford is interested in the comfort of the Charger's seats because deputies often spend most of their shifts on the road. The seats were surprisingly uncomfortable in the initial model, Rutherford said.

"It felt like the seats were hard as a brick," he said. "This year with the new model, the seats seem to be quite better."

Other concerns are if the cars are reliable over a long period and whether there is enough room in the backseats for prisoners and equipment. The original Chargers were two-door vehicles, and Dodge made an attempt to keep the same look with smaller rear-doors in the new model.

"But everything I'm hearing, they appear to be up to par," Rutherford said.

Don McNemar of Country Club Chrysler in Clarksburg, the dealership that currently owns the state contract to sell the vehicles, said the response has been overwhelmingly positive.

"Everybody seems to be pleased. It's been really well-received," McNemar said.

That includes curious visitors at county fairs or other public events. Bright said his deputies have been eager to show off the two new cruisers at several area functions over the past month.

"I'm pleased to be considered progressive, and I can tell you that the kids have asked a lot of questions about these cars. They really like them and it's been a conversation piece," he said.

"It's been a public relations boost if nothing else."

scratch13
08-22-2006, 04:33 PM
This is funny. Since that veteran chief got caught with child porn on his police computer, maybe police should not have anything more than a pocket calculator as well. :D

lawhog
08-22-2006, 06:13 PM
Not to mention that he did not have all the facts. The chargers only got to 150. The magnums are speed limited to 132. According to some sources, DC may, may that is, be offering the same speed limiter on the charger.

And I noticed you did not respond when I showed you being wrong on the 140mph issue, either! Chevrolet Impalas will go 142mph and they are being purchased in the thousands, and that number is increasing quarterly.

S.O.444
08-22-2006, 11:29 PM
Unless they are different than joe-blow production models, even the LS1 Camaro is limited to 136 mph. Unlimited, however, they can reach mid-160's. :eek:

edg103
08-23-2006, 04:40 AM
Rookie or not (as if it makes a difference), if a department wants to purchase the V6 and get smoked by just about everything on the road-that's their choice. Personally, I'd rather get the V8 so you can have the power when it's needed. You can always get electronic moniters on the cars if you can't trust your officers (but yet you trust them to wear your badge and carry a loaded gun).

And I didn't see anywhere in the article that the Sheriff said that his "rookies" will be driving too fast: "I don't think a police car needs to go that fast."

sheriff, you really need to drop this "rookie" crap. Just as many "veterans" make just as many mistakes as a "rookie". Go back to your scanner. :rolleyes:

taurus577
08-23-2006, 06:53 AM
Import some of these from Australia. 2006 Holden SS Commodore with a Gen4 6.0 litre L76 V8. Will sit on 160 mph any day of the week and do 0-60 in 5.5 secs, and looks darn hot too!

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/6986/nswcooperbb213bb215ht7.jpg

Five-0fromSoCal
08-23-2006, 01:34 PM
Import some of these from Australia. 2006 Holden SS Commodore with an LS4 6.0 litre L76 V8. Will sit on 160 mph any day of the week and do 0-60 in 5.5 secs, and looks darn hot too!

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/6986/nswcooperbb213bb215ht7.jpg

Looks fast. Too small though. Not beefy enough. Those cars would get beat up in the ghetto the way we drive them.

Tipsovr
08-23-2006, 02:56 PM
shave two doors off of it, slap a Pontiac sticker on it and <presto chango> you've got the now defunkt GTO.

Anyone know why GM won't rate the new V8 Impala for police work? I hear they won't back the front axles with the V8 and police work. They know to many of them will have to have the front ends rebuilt every year under warranty.

taurus577
08-23-2006, 10:19 PM
shave two doors off of it, slap a Pontiac sticker on it and <presto chango> you've got the now defunkt GTO.

Anyone know why GM won't rate the new V8 Impala for police work? I hear they won't back the front axles with the V8 and police work. They know to many of them will have to have the front ends rebuilt every year under warranty.


Essentially that is what the Pontiac GTO is. Its made in Australia as the Holden Monaro, a coupe version of the SS Commodore, and rebadged as the Pontiac GTO and shipped over to the US. Although they ceased being produced about 12 months ago.

taurus577
08-23-2006, 10:24 PM
Looks fast. Too small though. Not beefy enough. Those cars would get beat up in the ghetto the way we drive them.

You will be surprised at the beating they can take. Driving in the 'outback' in 50 degrees c on dirt roads through potholes that defy belief and through red dust storms and also jumping gutters and median strips in Sydney and other cities, they hold up pretty well, although, our cars are replaced with new ones every 6 months.


Also the sizing is very close to that of the Crown Vic;
1992-2005 Ford Crown Victoria: Specs & Safety
Vehicle Dimensions
Specification 4-door sedan
Wheelbase, in. 114.4
Overall Length, in. 212.0
Overall Width, in. 77.8
Overall Height, in. 56.8
Curb Weight, lbs. 3780



2006 Holden Commodore SS
* Length: 4876mm (192 inch)
* Width: 1842mm (72.5 inch)
* Height: 1440mm (56.7 inch)
* Wheelbase: 2789mm (109.8 inch)
* Front track: 1569mm (61.7 inch)
* Rear track: 1577mm (62 inch)
* Fuel capacity: 75 litres
* Kerb weight: 1654kg (3646 pounds)

firemanjb
08-24-2006, 07:51 AM
You will be surprised at the beating they can take. Driving in the 'outback' in 50 degrees c on dirt roads through potholes that defy belief and through red dust storms and also jumping gutters and median strips in Sydney and other cities, they hold up pretty well, although, our cars are replaced with new ones every 6 months.


Every SIX months!?!?!

You guys are lucky...I'd wager 1/2 of our fleet (~600 officers) is at least 4 years old. Admittedly, we have a take-home fleet, which will generally survive longer than a 24/7 fleet. But, I know plenty of guys (and gals) with 6-8 year old patrol cars (not DB cars) with 100,000 miles plus.

The city is doing a big upgrade on cars; we got 100+ last year and another 117 are on order for this year. But, this still will not replace everything in the fleet that is a 1998 model or older. At least many of the '98s will move into non-patrol status and all of the '95-'97s will be out.

SHERIFF
08-24-2006, 07:55 AM
..... the now defunkt GTO.


I don't know who started that rumor, but the
GTO is still very much alive and well.

http://www.pontiac.com/gto/index.jsp

taurus577
08-24-2006, 09:18 AM
Every SIX months!?!?!

You guys are lucky...I'd wager 1/2 of our fleet (~600 officers) is at least 4 years old. Admittedly, we have a take-home fleet, which will generally survive longer than a 24/7 fleet. But, I know plenty of guys (and gals) with 6-8 year old patrol cars (not DB cars) with 100,000 miles plus.

The city is doing a big upgrade on cars; we got 100+ last year and another 117 are on order for this year. But, this still will not replace everything in the fleet that is a 1998 model or older. At least many of the '98s will move into non-patrol status and all of the '95-'97s will be out.

Yeah we have a fleet of about 4000 vehicles, and on average, they get replaced every 6 months, which is roughly 60,000km. All the vehicles are leased and are not bought outright by the government.

taurus577
08-24-2006, 09:21 AM
I don't know who started that rumor, but the
GTO is still very much alive and well.

http://www.pontiac.com/gto/index.jsp

It isn't a rumour. Considering they are made in Australia and production ceased about 6 to 10 months ago. Perhaps pontiac has a heap in storage they are selling, but, they are not produced any more, that is a FACT.

Go to www.holden.com.au for more info and confirmation. I took the liberty of doing a bit of cut and pasting to make things simpler. As you can see they finished production on June 14 2006.

**Holden has built its last Monaro and the historic two-door coupe has been exported to the United States badged as a Pontiac GTO.

Earlier this year, Holden auctioned the last coupe to wear a Monaro badge and a Queensland Ford collector paid $187,900 for the car. The proceeds went to charity. However, after the last Monaro-badged vehicle was made, Holden's Adelaide factory continued to build the two-door coupe in various guises until 9.37pm on June 14. The cars were exported as a batch of Pontiac GTOs a few days later. The final vehicle was the 40,808th Pontiac GTO built.**

SHERIFF
08-24-2006, 11:28 AM
Perhaps pontiac has a heap in storage they are selling, but, they are not produced any more, that is a FACT.



Maybe so. They're still taking orders and pulling them out of the stockpile perhaps. A friend of mine just ordered a black 2006, suppose to be here within a month.

scratch13
08-24-2006, 12:28 PM
I don't know who started that rumor, but the
GTO is still very much alive and well.

http://www.pontiac.com/gto/index.jsp

Opinion or fact?

edg103
08-24-2006, 12:43 PM
The GTO has been discontinued primarily due to slow sales. I saw pictures of one that was used for traffic enforcement-very slick! Although I don't remember the department or when I saw it. I do remember that it was a silver slicktop decked out with LED's.

firemanjb
08-24-2006, 02:33 PM
It isn't a rumour. Considering they are made in Australia and production ceased about 6 to 10 months ago. Perhaps pontiac has a heap in storage they are selling, but, they are not produced any more, that is a FACT.

Go to www.holden.com.au for more info and confirmation. I took the liberty of doing a bit of cut and pasting to make things simpler. As you can see they finished production on June 14 2006.

Just curious: wouldn't this mean that production ceased a little over 2 months ago? Or does time pass differently down there since you're in winter and we're in summer? ;)

taurus577
08-24-2006, 09:50 PM
Just curious: wouldn't this mean that production ceased a little over 2 months ago? Or does time pass differently down there since you're in winter and we're in summer? ;)

Yeah I'll cop that one on the chin lol. I assumed when production for the Australian market stopped that production for the US market stopped at the same time, but, it appears as though they kept going for a few extra months.

taurus577
08-24-2006, 09:53 PM
Maybe so. They're still taking orders and pulling them out of the stockpile perhaps. A friend of mine just ordered a black 2006, suppose to be here within a month.

I know he'll love it, I have a 2 door utility version and it's awesome. Although, I would have gone for red one, it's at least 2 seconds faster to 60! :D

blueronin
08-25-2006, 01:47 AM
We wont get the Chevys for just the oposite reason. Our chief gives us the okay to pursue. Although they do want us to use common sense about when and where. If the Chargers hadn't been priced so high we would have gotten them. I'm talkin hemis not the V-6. But we just ordered ford CVPI's again, because they can move. :D Look out Entre. Here we go again :eek: