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Watchman

12-06-2002, 03:15 PM

States and territories have agreed to new laws banning a range of semi-automatic hand guns, Prime Minister John Howard said today.

Well, they are still working on it. Handguns are now limited to .38 caliber and below. All others are banned. Next it'll be lowered to .22 calibers and soon after that any caliber bigger than the balls of a ****ant will be outlawed. It's all in the name of "saftey" I am sure. :rolleyes:

The link for those that "watch" for such things.

<a href="http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/12/06/1038950185452.html" target="_blank">web page</a>

[ 12-06-2002, 03:34 PM: Message edited by: Watchman ]

CinaC

12-06-2002, 03:19 PM

Oh gosh! They're violating they're Second Amendment rights! Let's land the Marines!

Do you ever find it odd, that in a time where people are being oppressed, and starving, and actually living perilous lives, that all you seem to care about is when they get their guns taken away?

It just seems a bit odd to me.

Watchman

12-06-2002, 03:23 PM

Crazy...

Ummm...the Aussies dont have any second amendment rights. Thats a unique right granted by the US Constitution only to Americans.

You didnt learn that in college ?

Do you ever find it odd, that in a time where people are being oppressed, and starving, and actually living perilous lives, that all you seem to care about is when they get their guns taken away?

No.. not really, but that would be a dang good reason for the big boys too make sure the starving ,oppressed masses didnt have ANY guns wouldnt it ?

CinaC

12-06-2002, 03:25 PM

Watchman,

It's called sarcasm. I thought even you would be able to detect it (especially since it was dripping SO thick from my post).

<blockquote>quote:<hr />but that would be a dang good reason for the big boys too make sure the starving ,oppressed masses didnt have ANY guns wouldnt it ?<hr /></blockquote>I see. So what we'll see next in Australia is mass genocide, civil war, famine ...

On Paper

12-06-2002, 03:30 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by C in a J:
 So what we'll see next in Australia is mass genocide, civil war, famine ...<hr /></blockquote>They

Watchman

12-06-2002, 03:31 PM

Well...proabably no civil war since they wont have anything in which to start it, but geonocide only happens to disarmed people. Can you agree on that ?

Where the devil did you go to school, anyway?

LMAO at that one!
:D

[ 12-06-2002, 03:32 PM: Message edited by: Watchman ]

CinaC

12-06-2002, 03:34 PM

On Paper, I thought that comment was kind of obvious as being just a -tad- sarcastic. The point is, certain Americans react to gun-control in other nations as if it was their nation!

Watchman, it may happen more easily, but it's certainly not the only factor.

Watchman

12-06-2002, 03:38 PM

The point is, certain Americans react to gun-control in other nations as if it was their nation!

HEY !that would be ME ! :D

Just one step closer Crazy. Someday you may understand. Until then, I'll try to coach you a bit. :D

As the frog sits in the pan, the water tempature is turned up ever so slowly.

Bill R

12-06-2002, 04:19 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by C in a J:
The point is, certain Americans react to gun-control in other nations as if it was their nation!
<hr /></blockquote>No it's not our nation. However, as we are sort of descended from the same stock I find it especially saddening when my distant cousins lose rights. I also feel that they should know better. Americans didn't invent freedom. Most of it we inherited from the Brits. America just moved closer towards perfection <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> I would feel sad if they lost free speech or freedom of religion also. It's true they don't have the Constitution to protect their rights as human beings. That doesn't mean that I don't think they have rights as human beings.

[ 12-06-2002, 05:11 PM: Message edited by: Bill R ]

Watchman

12-06-2002, 05:23 PM

It is not "our" nation.

However if you look at the English speaking nations, you must agree that we are also amongst the most "free" nations in the world.

As Bill has basically stated, we have the same roots, right up until the 1600's.

It is logical to assume that what happened in England, Australia, and even Canada, will eventually happen to us. Therefore I watch closely and learn to reconize the same patterns of disarmament so that I might be not be blindsided by events as many people are. We were seeing exactly the same methods used here in the states during the Clinton Administration. I am not naieve enough to beleive that the Bush Administration is any less of a threat due to their "Global" inclinations, but at least they arent quite as open about their intentions and their adminstration does reflect the values of the average American more closley the Marxist Bast*rds of the Klintoon Regime.

Basically, we are just one president away from many of the same restrictions that most countries already have. If we had somebody like Gore in there, its just be a matter of time. I still believe it just a matter of time, however each presidency that we have will either slow the process or speed the process. When we are the ONLY people left in the world that can possess arms, you can expect the outcry from the liberals and globalists to be deafening.

When I "react" to what I see in other nations, I watch,I remember,I learn.

In short, when my neighbors house next door is being looted by the mob, I can reasonably assume that mine may be next.

You can do the same or you can go back in the house and watch TV and expect it not to happen to you.

Your choice...

[ 12-06-2002, 05:26 PM: Message edited by: Watchman ]

On Paper

12-06-2002, 05:32 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by C in a J:
On Paper, I thought that comment was kind of obvious as being just a -tad- sarcastic.<hr /></blockquote>I

CinaC

12-07-2002, 12:26 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />but I’m not impressed by flip, off-the-cuff remarks about or ignoring unarmed, indigenous people are slaughtered.<hr /></blockquote>Most of my comments are either flip, or off-the-cuff, or most often, both.

The United States is NOT the United Kingdom, or Australia. We may be the cultural offspring of Europe, but they've grown into something different from us. Gun control is not the dirty word there that it is here, and a lot of people - Watchman, BillR, to name two - seem to think that it is.

Most Brits don't want, need, or desire the amount of firearms some Americans want, need, or desire. Watchman said not long ago that every time he saw someone speak in a positive way on gun control, he was tempted to buy a new gun. I don't know how many guns Watchman owns, but I'm sure it's well over a dozen. And this is fine, because this is America, and our culture for the most part supports that. But in Britain, it's a totally different story ...

Or, to sum up because I'm getting all long winded ...

What works for one nation does not work for all nations. Guns are *not* the universal answer. Gun control is an issue for the Australians to resolve, BY THEMSELVES, without any interference from the UN, or the NRA, or whoever wants to butt into it.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />but at least they arent quite as open about their intentions <hr /></blockquote>Gasp! We agree about something. But, er, isn't this a REALLY REALLY REALLY bad thing?

[ 12-07-2002, 12:29 AM: Message edited by: C in a J ]

Mike Tx

12-07-2002, 03:21 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />You didnt learn that in college ?<hr /></blockquote>They don't teach that stuff in barber college! :D

Bill R

12-07-2002, 10:03 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />The United States is NOT the United Kingdom, or Australia. We may be the cultural offspring of Europe, but they've grown into something different from us. Gun control is not the dirty word there that it is here, and a lot of people - Watchman, BillR, to name two - seem to think that it is. <hr /></blockquote>If it seems that way to you Crazy, you aren't paying attention. I do not think the UK or Commonwealth countries are the United States. The point is that at least by my beliefs the right to arms is a right endowed by our creator. If it would make you feel more comfortable it is a "natural" right of all human beings. I also believe the right to free speech or freedom of religion, the right to self defense are the same type of rights. It is not our Constitution that grants these rights, the Constitution PROTECTS our rights. Just because citizens of other countries may not have our protections does not mean that they do not have rights. I will concede that there is no large outcry for a right to arms in other countries. Those who wish to have arms are indeed a minority. The majority in those countries appear to fear that some members of that minority and have taken away their rights. By taking away the rights of the minority the majority "feel" safer. If the majority were afraid of say some members of a minority religious group and therefore decided to ban those people of that faith from assembling, would you think that is OK as long as the majority were in favor and they felt safer?