CBP officer

[leadslinger11b]

Has anyone else out there taken the recent CBP test, a little over a month ago? I got my NOR yesterday, and scored nice N high, but it didnt say anything about the rest of the process. Does anyone know whats next, like next steps, timelines ect?

[qixfeet]

I just got my test scores from that test. I'm pretty sure we're in for a long wait. Your next step is to wait for your TO from one of the duty locations you picked.

[GABE21D]

I just recived my notice also. So do we just wait? :confused:

[formerNOPD]

Yes,
You wait. They'll start with the highest scores and work their way down sending out the packets. Packets will have instructions on what you'll do next, normally this involves a medial screening, PPD (turburqulosis?(sp)) check, Drug screen, eye and hearing test.
My background questionaire was in my packet when I got the selection letter a while back.
Just about everyone should have their scores by now. I have two friends that scored 109 and 107 respectivly, another scored a 98 and one other a 77. They'll start with the highest scores first and work their way down.

Good job in passing.

[stuffum]

Now when you say thet work there way down from highest to lowest grade is that overall or is that for the area you have choosen to work out of?

[formerNOPD]

Now when you say thet work there way down from highest to lowest grade is that overall or is that for the area you have choosen to work out of?


Overall I believe. I was offered several places that were not on my "pick list" before I chose. Key is to wait for what you want, if you're able.

[stuffum]

Thank you and thanks for all the helpful info you have provided.

[datfas]

Well I got my results also, we have 4 people that took the test in our office out of Chicago. We scored 94, 92, 89 & 88. If any of us hear anything I will pass it on.

[1895bombdog]

A recent published government employee survey ranked and rated CBP extremely low.
This position is not considered or classified by the governement as a law enforcement position. Which means you have to work 30 yrs instead of 20 and you are not entitled to their pay or retirement.
Morale is at an all time low!
High turn over rate.
Very little or no overtime presently available.
New employees are not allowed to transfer for three years and even after that they are not easy to come by. Especially to the better locations.
My advise to you (and this is my opinion) if you truely want a job in law enforcement keep looking. Something will turn up. If you just want a pay check then this is for you.

[formerNOPD]

Not to get in a ****ing match, we all have our opinions. Some ports are better than others.

We have a few things going for us:

1. The position is under review for LE 6(c) covered status. Several other agencies that just up to 3 years ago were not covered now have been recently. With the amount of LE work that CBP does, and the amount of internal covered positions already in existance, it is only a matter of time.

2. It is probably the easiest agency to get your foot in the door with, and your federal time starts from there. You can still look and make decent money while you look.

3. Opportunity - If you're willing to sacrifice and work hard, you can get ahead. Many of us are doing it every day.

[foreman212]

Like NOPD said, It depends on your port. The grass isnt always greener and if you are looking for a place to start it is not bad. There have been plenty of people who have left for ICE and various other agencies that are looking to come back. We also have double time OT which you can make a killing on. My girlfriend just went to ICE and took a pay cut and is unhappy with the work and the direction the agency is going. Things in CBP are bad but at least we have somewhat of a budget and job security. We are gaining more special details and training than we used to. Another plus is that it is looking like we are going to go back to the old Customs and Immigration duties instead of the CBP super inspector which has been a disaster.

[1895bombdog]

Quick question?
Is it true that 7 out of 9 new hires (just back from FLETC) recently quit in Miami after just a few days?
While you are correct about some others getting 6c CBP will never get it!
The excuses they always give are never valid. CBP doesn't investigate or patrol. There are many other federal agencies that don't investigate and patrol and they have 6c coverage. For example BOP. It comes down to money. There are too many employees and would cost too much.

[MidnightHeat]

If you are under 37, and looking to get into Federal Law Enforcement, I would say don't even waste your time with CBP. You will have to go to a four month academy in FLETC and learn everything there is to know about being a real LEO only to go back to your port and be a stamp monkey in a booth. CBP are not LEO's they are inspectors. Looking like a cop and being a cop are two very different things.

[CBPSDJohn]

"Very little or no overtime presently available."

That certainly is not the case here with CBP in So. Cal.
We have way more OT than we want, even tho' it is at double time.
Most of us would be happy if they hired more troops and cut way down on the OT.

[1895bombdog]

"Very little or no overtime presently available."

That certainly is not the case here with CBP in So. Cal.
We have way more OT than we want, even tho' it is at double time.
Most of us would be happy if they hired more troops and cut way down on the OT.

Please do tell what happens on the southern border with all that overtime? Have you ever been forced out? Have you ever been forced to spend another 8 hours because someone called in sick? Do you know of anyone who was forced to call in sick just to spend a birthday or special event with a family member? How is the morale at your port?

I prefer to be honest with a potential new hire than to encourage him to make the best of a bad situation.

[merlin436]

If you are under 37, and looking to get into Federal Law Enforcement, I would say don't even waste your time with CBP. You will have to go to a four month academy in FLETC and learn everything there is to know about being a real LEO only to go back to your port and be a stamp monkey in a booth. CBP are not LEO's they are inspectors. Looking like a cop and being a cop are two very different things.


That's a bit harsh, don't you think?

Airport officers might well end up in a booth as stamp monkeys, but those working on a land border(especially at southern border POE) probably won't.

I personally haven't stamped an I-94/94W in more than a year.

[merlin436]

FWIW, there's almost no OT available around here.

[MidnightHeat]

That's a bit harsh, don't you think?

Airport officers might well end up in a booth as stamp monkeys, but those working on a land border(especially at southern border POE) probably won't.

I personally haven't stamped an I-94/94W in more than a year.
I have friends that work at the landborder, and they tell me that it is the same as working in the airport, except you are outdoors and you deal with vehicles instead of people comigng off a plane. They all hate it and have applications pending with other agencies.

[CBPSDJohn]

1895 Bombdog.

"Please do tell what happens on the southern border with all that overtime? Have you ever been forced out? Have you ever been forced to spend another 8 hours because someone called in sick? Do you know of anyone who was forced to call in sick just to spend a birthday or special event with a family member? How is the morale at your port?"

24/7 Non stop traffic and ped lines, processing drug loads, bodies in trunks etc, imposters, DUI's, drunks, fights, wanted persons. Not sure what you mean by forced out. I am guessing that you mean that you are predrafted. In other words told that you are being told that you have to come in before your shift to work OT. We call it Predrafted. Happens everyday. Having been drafted to cover for someone who called in sick, happens many times every day. People calling in sick, just to have some time away from work, that is seen as normal here. As far as morale. My opinion if you like action and alot of OT. Very high. If you do not like OT, very low. Just my honest opinion from So Cal.

[formerNOPD]

1895 Bombdog.

"Please do tell what happens on the southern border with all that overtime? Have you ever been forced out? Have you ever been forced to spend another 8 hours because someone called in sick? Do you know of anyone who was forced to call in sick just to spend a birthday or special event with a family member? How is the morale at your port?"

24/7 Non stop traffic and ped lines, processing drug loads, bodies in trunks etc, imposters, DUI's, drunks, fights, wanted persons. Not sure what you mean by forced out. I am guessing that you mean that you are predrafted. In other words told that you are being told that you have to come in before your shift to work OT. We call it Predrafted. Happens everyday. Having been drafted to cover for someone who called in sick, happens many times every day. People calling in sick, just to have some time away from work, that is seen as normal here. As far as morale. My opinion if you like action and alot of OT. Very high. If you do not like OT, very low. Just my honest opinion from So Cal.


I'd have to agree. This job is what you make of it. It has BS just like any other job, but I tell you it's like retirement compared to NOPD....

[1895bombdog]

I started at a land border location. Did 5 years and the best part of it was when I saw it in my rear view mirror as I left. While everything you said is true I remember things differently. I remember a port that could care less of the DUIs. In fact many people made their declarations with a beer between their legs as they drove through. Kids (teenagers) returning to the US drunk, (getting sick/falling down). No one cared! The thing I remember the most about the fights were the officers who ran away and did not want to help or get involved. Not all but enough to make me realize I could not count on everyone for help if needed. Something I never experienced as a cop. I also remember an AUSA who refused to file charges for inspectors who were assaulted by the public. I remember a port that made no attempt to stop or deter port runners and actually wrote up an inspector who chased down a pedestrian who was loaded and ran when questioned. All you could do is waive at them as they forced their way through and nearly ran over anyone in their way. At my port you couldn't sit down or even lean against the tables and after 3 or 4 16 hour days that got old. People actually pretended to go to the rest room just to sit down for a while. It's definitely blood money. I saw poor housing and living conditions. Saw many families break up or devorce due to work or the living conditions. I quickly learned about the port politics and the Customs way of doing things (the good old boy) and that hard work, personal sacrifice and loyalty meant nothing and I had no trouble moving on.
Oh and for the record I put more than my share of seizures on the table.

[merlin436]

I have friends that work at the landborder, and they tell me that it is the same as working in the airport, except you are outdoors and you deal with vehicles instead of people comigng off a plane. They all hate it and have applications pending with other agencies.

I wonder... how much are your friends motivations for leaving CBP driven by the desire to have 6C and all it's perks and how much is driven by their hatred of the CBPO job?

[MidnightHeat]

It's both. One of the guys I went to the academy with is stationed at San Ysidro and he tells me that he is confined to a checkpoint all day long and the cars never stop coming. He has to beg just to take a pee break.

[leadslinger11b]

Anyone out there hear any new intel? Any top of the listers hear anything?

[GABE21D]

Just wanted to ask if anybody out there has worked in the lax or La port area as a CBP officer since that was one of my Geo picks along with Ia. How is the OT working conditions and such? Id love to work there since i have family in the Palmdale,Lancaster area. Yea i know the commute will suck.

Gabe

[formerNOPD]

http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0706/071406r1.htm

Senators take new stab at redefining law officer jobs
By Karen Rutzick
krutzick@govexec.com

Two Maryland Democrats introduced a Senate bill on Thursday to grant more federal employees an early retirement option by expanding the definition of federal law enforcement officer.


Sens. Barbara Mikulski and Paul Sarbanes offered a companion version of the House's bill (H.R. 1002), which would provide Customs and Border Protection officers, police officers at the Veterans Affairs Department and other employees not defined as law enforcement officers the ability to retire at age 50 with 20 years of service. Standard federal employees are not eligible until they have 30 years or more of service and are at least are 55 years old.


Federal law enforcement officers receive a higher annuity upon retirement. An officer retiring at age 50 with 20 years of service and a $65,000 salary would receive $22,000 more annually in retirement benefits than a standard federal employee retiring under the Federal Employee Retirement System, according to the American Federation of Government Employees.


"We need to make sure that all federal law enforcement officers earn the pay and benefits that they deserve," Mikulski said. "These brave men and women...have the same law enforcement training as all other law enforcement personnel and face the same risks and challenges."


Federal labor unions have been lobbying Congress for a decade to grant CBP officers and others law enforcement status. In November, a group of Republican House lawmakers released a concept paper aimed at providing pay equity for federal law enforcement officers.


Despite optimism before its release, the unions ultimately opposed the proposal because it would grant the Office of Personnel Management too much discretion in defining law enforcement positions, they said.


Instead they have focused on H.R. 1002, and now its companion Senate bill, to bring parity.


"Our increased national awareness of and emphasis on port security and related matters is helping to focus on the clear law enforcement nature of the work of CBP officers," said Colleen Kelley, president of the National Treasury Employees Union. "The continual denial of LEO status is harming the ability of the federal government to recruit and retain the dedicated employees we need."


NTEU recently won a union election for representation of all CBP employees over AFGE, which is contesting the results, charging that CBP management skewed the election toward NTEU.

[xkingsyx]

Has anyone heard anything yet? I scored a 100 w/o vet. preference on the test but I have yet to get anything else in the mail or receive a phone call. I hope this doesn't take a year... I figured that with the whole "secure our ports" push, they'd expedite this process a little. I guess the Israel/Lebanon fight has given them more time, now that the focus of the news stations has shifted.

[anchorbay]

95 with vet pref here and haven't heard a thing...probably will come all at once very soon. I hate waiting...

[formerNOPD]

Everyone is still waiting. I know 4 that took the test - 109, 107, 98 and 87 all with vets pref that have not heard a word. I know that the govt recently passed a new incentive for vets to be hired, but I don't know if they're going to go down that list first or go by scores only.
Just keep your chin up and keep on waiting. It's not an instant process, which is why you should never count on something - always have a fallback plan, no telling how long it could take, after all, it's the govt... ;)

[formerNOPD]

House homeland security committee voted on 6c coverage for CBPOs on July 12th, it passed! We're getting very close!


The House Homeland Security Committee yesterday voted to provide law
enforcement officer (LEO) status to Customs and Border Protection
Officers (CBPOs) from the March 2003 creation of CBP. NTEU supports LEO
status for all CBPOs including all legacy Customs and Immigration
inspectors and is fighting for complete coverage in any final
legislation.
The action by Homeland Security is only one step in the road to passage
of LEO legislation but it is a positive step. NTEU will fight for
legislation that would bring LEO status to all CBPOs as laid out in
H.R. 1002 and S. 3652.
While many members of the Homeland Security Committee support
retroactive LEO coverage that would allow legacy Customs and INS
inspector service to be counted toward a 20-year retirement benefit,
jurisdictional issues have been raised that prevent the committee from
taking action that is retroactive to before the creation of the
department or the Homeland Security Committee. Other congressional
committees, including the House Government Reform Committee and Senate
Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, would not be
bound by these same limitations and NTEU will be working with those
committees to ensure that any legislation providing LEO coverage for
CBPOs will be available retroactively to legacy Customs and INS
inspectors.
ôFinally, members of Congress are beginning to recognize the critical
role CBP Officers play in our nationÆs security,ö said NTEU President
Colleen M. Kelley. ôEvery time we gain additional support we are one
step closer to 20-year retirement for all of these deserving front-line
employees.ö
In other action by the Homeland Security Committee on the DHS
Reauthorization bill, NTEU-supported amendments were rejected that
would have ended the MaxHR personnel system and provided a journey
grade 12 for CBPOs.

[ArmouredSainT]

I thought i'd get screwed! They go out of their way to do it too. I guess with new personnel dropping like flies on a cold winter day, they could afford to give it to those hired after 2003, because no one stays longer than two years before they quit. :cool:

[foreman212]

NOPD,
Where did you pull that from. I would like to copy it and send it around.

[formerNOPD]

NOPD,
Where did you pull that from. I would like to copy it and send it around.

NTEU bulletin

[xkingsyx]

I got my "Notice of Conditional Offer" in the mail yesterday. It said that the process would take another 4-5 months from now due all of the testing and pre-employment screening procedures.

[GABE21D]

Congrats!

Still doing the waiting game on my end.

[formerNOPD]

Congrats!

Still doing the waiting game on my end.

What was your test score if you don't mind me asking.

[stuffum]

im in the same boat still waiting and my score wasnt that great but i passed

[GABE21D]

What was your test score if you don't mind me asking.
I belive it was an 86 with vets points.Not bad since i suck at math. ;)

[guzz411]

Hey xkingsyx, What was your test score on the CBP test and was the conditional offer one of your choices of location?

Thanks

[leoiaf]

Hi all,

New to the board and this is my first posting...

Can anyone explain how the promotions work with the CBP Officers? I read in one of the job descriptions that you can reach gs-11 within a few years. Is there an exact time frame anyone here can share in regards to raises?

Also, how competitive is it to move on to special assigments? Any examples or scenerios that could be shared would be appreciated.

Last, what is the typical way to move from being a CBP officer to a different LEO government job... From being allowed to move from CBP to retraining with the new agency.

Thank you.

[superkream]

hey guys i just got out of the military and im trying to get into CBP as a CBP officer does anyone know when they would be hiring again? thank you

[formerNOPD]

Hi all,

New to the board and this is my first posting...

Can anyone explain how the promotions work with the CBP Officers? Journeylevel pay is GS 11. You're hired as a GS 5 or GS 7, and you go up 2 grades each year until you reach journeylevel. So a GS 5 would take 3 years to reach GS 11. This system is however about to change to HR Max, or pay banding similar to how TSA and some other agencies do their pay.


I read in one of the job descriptions that you can reach gs-11 within a few years. Is there an exact time frame anyone here can share in regards to raises? As above.

Also, how competitive is it to move on to special assigments? There are not many special assignments per say. Pretty much everyone gets the opportunity to learn every aspect of the job. It's a regulatory job, not so much an enforcement type job. It is not like being a street cop or a criminal investigator, but does have decent pay.


Any examples or scenerios that could be shared would be appreciated.

Last, what is the typical way to move from being a CBP officer to a different LEO government job... From being allowed to move from CBP to retraining with the new agency. You apply online at www.usajobs.gov for other jobs. Some people move on from CBP to other agencies, but there are no guarentees. It is a good stepping stone to get your foot in the door. If you want to be an agent though, I'd suggest local LE work in conjunction with a degree then apply directly to the agency you want to work for.


Thank you.

[formerNOPD]

hey guys i just got out of the military and im trying to get into CBP as a CBP officer does anyone know when they would be hiring again? thank you


You just have to check for the next testing announcement. Generally it is several years between announcements. The last testing was done in May, 2006. People are just starting to get their tentative selection letters, so keep checking www.usajobs.gov under series search 1895 for the general opening again. Probably won't be for another year at least. Basic requirements are a 4 yr degree and/or 3 years experiance in local LE. Military service in and of itself may not qualify, but if you get the chance take the test anyway.

[stuffum]

Hmmmm


So you must have a 4 year degree to be considered on becoming a CPB?

[formerNOPD]

CBP basic requirements for a GS 5 position = 4 years of college OR 3 years active experiance in a field that is similiar to the job. Military police time generally does not count as creditable experiance.

For GS 7 you have to have at least 1 year of experiance equivilant to the GS 5 level.

[leoiaf]

FormerNOPD,

Thank you for your reply. I have a few followup questions so please excuse my ignorance as I am new to the whole concept of federal jobs as a whole. In regards to CBP officer, I found the following...

"What are the career advancement opportunities? In a few years when you reach the GS-11 CBP Officer level, you will be eligible to apply for special assignments. These include assignments on Enforcement and Special Response Teams, Firearms, Training, Container Security Initiative (CSI) International assignments, Targeting and Analysis Teams, and Canine Teams working with agency-certified detector dogs."

So if it did take 3 years for a new person to reach the GS-11 level, what can he or she expect afterwards. Do the special assignments listed above include any raises? I'm trying to get a feeling of what I could expect from CBP if I pursue the officer position as a career. Is GS-11 the last level and do most CBP officers retire at this level?

Basicaly, any info that you or anyone else can provide me to help paint a better picture of what to hope for or expect from being with CBP as an officer for 20 years or more, would be appreciated.

Thank you.

[formerNOPD]

FormerNOPD,

Thank you for your reply. I have a few followup questions so please excuse my ignorance as I am new to the whole concept of federal jobs as a whole. In regards to CBP officer, I found the following...

"What are the career advancement opportunities? In a few years when you reach the GS-11 CBP Officer level, you will be eligible to apply for special assignments. These include assignments on Enforcement and Special Response Teams, Firearms, Training, Container Security Initiative (CSI) International assignments, Targeting and Analysis Teams, and Canine Teams working with agency-certified detector dogs." All of these positions are either TDY positions or PCS positions (CSI) and are collateral duties that generally do not connote promotion or raise in pay. The overseas duty will pay more with COLAs and such, but it will generally not be a raise. You can put in for these duties once you reach GS11, but it does not mean you'll get them.

So if it did take 3 years for a new person to reach the GS-11 level, what can he or she expect afterwards. The same thing as the first three years. Not much new, but you have the option to apply for other openings.


Do the special assignments listed above include any raises?Assignments, no. Promotions, yes. They can be one in the same depending on the announcement. For instance, if you apply for a CSI position in france, and it's a GS 12 position and they choose you, then it would be a promotion. If it's a GS11 slot, then it's just another duty assignment.

I'm trying to get a feeling of what I could expect from CBP if I pursue the officer position as a career. Is GS-11 the last level and do most CBP officers retire at this level? GS11 is journeylevel, and it's non competitive up to that level. Beyond that, you have to test/compete for the supervisor positions and above (sup is gs12. Chief officer is GS13. Asst port director and port director are GS14/15.)

Basicaly, any info that you or anyone else can provide me to help paint a better picture of what to hope for or expect from being with CBP as an officer for 20 years or more, would be appreciated. Our retirement sucks. It's one percent per year. We do have the TSP, which is a money market retirement account, and they'll match the first 5% dollar for dollar.

Thank you.

[leoiaf]

Do supervisor CBP Officers and all higher levels get LEO status? Are they eligible for the 20 year retirement system?

[formerNOPD]

Do supervisor CBP Officers and all higher levels get LEO status? Are they eligible for the 20 year retirement system?

NO they are'nt. CBP has FERS for retirement system. There is a push in congress to change that though to the 20 6(c) covered position. We'll see.

[SoCalFed]

Do supervisor CBP Officers and all higher levels get LEO status? Are they eligible for the 20 year retirement system?


Although i'm not a CBP Officer, a good friend of mine is. He is a GS-13 (supervisor) and does not receive LE retirement (aka '6c'). The only folks in CBP who receive 6c LE retirement are BP Agents, Air/Marine Agents, and CBP Enforcement Officers. The rest get the standard 1% per year federal government retirement. However just because they do not receive LE retirement, it does not mean they are not LE. CBP Officers are granted 24 hour carry...

[1895bombdog]

Do supervisor CBP Officers and all higher levels get LEO status? Are they eligible for the 20 year retirement system?
CBP officers GS-1895 (Customs/Immigration) regardless of rank are not considered law enforcement and are not entitled to a 20 year full retirement.

[leoiaf]

The reason I ask is because of a confusing paragraph I read in this article...

http://www.afge.org/index.cfm?page=customsborderpatrol&fuse=content&contentid=190

It says "Today, many but not all federal police officers are covered under this definition, including the Capitol Police, FBI, Park Police, Secret Service Officers, and supervisory CBP Officers, but not CBP Officers themselves." Thats why I was wondering.

I have a few followup questions as I'm trying to somewhat plan my future.

I have a B.S. degree and have been offered the conditional letter of employment a few weeks ago. Today I got fingerprinted and I tried asking about the compressed schedule benefit I found on the OPM website. However it seemed by the general responses that a CBP Officer would not get it. I was hoping it would not be a huge issue to get because I have recently been selected by the ANG to attend pilot training at a much later date. After training my obligations would be to fly once a week, a weekend a month, and 2 weeks a year. Obviously a compressed time schedule such as working 4 days a week would be very accomodating. However their responses were "you'll get your 2 weeks military leave but the rest is on you." Is their any chance of trying to negotiate a compressed time schedule if and when the time comes?

Also, how does one get to be a CBP enforcement officer or where can I find out info on getting hired as an Air Agent?

Thanks for any help or suggestions and past replies.

[Bullitt107]

In regards to military duty, being employed by the federal government, and flying in the Guard; your usual weekly sorties will be on AFTP status which authorizes you to take a day of either paid or un paid military leave from the federal government. Check out the ESGR wen site. While true; you do have your 15 days, that is only in referance to paid days.

[formerNOPD]

The reason I ask is because of a confusing paragraph I read in this article...

http://www.afge.org/index.cfm?page=customsborderpatrol&fuse=content&contentid=190

It says "Today, many but not all federal police officers are covered under this definition, including the Capitol Police, FBI, Park Police, Secret Service Officers, and supervisory CBP Officers, but not CBP Officers themselves." Thats why I was wondering. There are some training positions and special positions that have been listed in the last 6 months as a covered position, but they are political - very high positions, something you'll likely not see, not for at least 20 years.

I have a few followup questions as I'm trying to somewhat plan my future.

I have a B.S. degree and have been offered the conditional letter of employment a few weeks ago. Today I got fingerprinted and I tried asking about the compressed schedule benefit I found on the OPM website. However it seemed by the general responses that a CBP Officer would not get it. I was hoping it would not be a huge issue to get because I have recently been selected by the ANG to attend pilot training at a much later date. After training my obligations would be to fly once a week, a weekend a month, and 2 weeks a year. Obviously a compressed time schedule such as working 4 days a week would be very accomodating. However their responses were "you'll get your 2 weeks military leave but the rest is on you." Is their any chance of trying to negotiate a compressed time schedule if and when the time comes? NO, you will not get a compressed schedule. It's not possible with CBP. You'll have to burn military leave or annual leave.

Also, how does one get to be a CBP enforcement officer or where can I find out info on getting hired as an Air Agent? Air and Marine agents are 1801s and are covered. You'll have to do a search on usajobs and hope for an opening. I applied in 2002 for a marine position and was in the running for 2 years until they were cancelled. They have not hired anyone for those positions since 2002. Enforcement officer? You will never get into that position - they are leftover seinior INS inspectors that were covered. They keep hinting that they're going to bring it back, but in reality, this agency was a hostile takeover by the customs side of the house, and they've pretty much screwed everything up that they possibly can.

Thanks for any help or suggestions and past replies.

[1895bombdog]

Did you know that before we all became 1895 canine enforcement officers were classified 1801? (not 1890 like the inspectors were) They were enforcement officers just like air & marine enforcement officers GS-1801. They had no duties that did not meet OPMs classification for law enforcement. Back around 1993 OPM had decided to reclassify them as law enforcement along with the land border inspectors. But the union said no. Either we all get it or no one gets it. So no one got it. Canine got screwed because it had layed in bed with the inspectors. Why should the union look out for a couple hundred CEOs when there are so many more inspectors to worry about? And the average inspector has always believed himself to be superior to the dog handlers. If the union would have agreeded back then, it would have been much easier for the airport and seaport inspectors to get it at a later date. As a result we all got screwed.
Have you ever asked yourself why canine officers primarily only work with inspectors? They should have remained separate from the inspectors and worked with who needed them. Inspectors, Agents, Air and Marine officers. Like everything else it came down to money. In the begining CEOs had a lower journeyman level and the inspectors saw that the CEOs had a nice budget that they can get their hands on. So the inspectors helped the CEOs get a higher journeyman level and the rest is history.

[formerNOPD]

Did you know that before we all became 1895 canine enforcement officers were classified 1801? (not 1890 like the inspectors were) They were enforcement officers just like air & marine enforcement officers GS-1801. They had no duties that did not meet OPMs classification for law enforcement. Back around 1993 OPM had decided to reclassify them as law enforcement along with the land border inspectors. But the union said no. Either we all get it or no one gets it. So no one got it. Canine got screwed because it had layed in bed with the inspectors. Why should the union look out for a couple hundred CEOs when there are so many more inspectors to worry about? And the average inspector has always believed himself to be superior to the dog handlers. If the union would have agreeded back then, it would have been much easier for the airport and seaport inspectors to get it at a later date. As a result we all got screwed.
Have you ever asked yourself why canine officers primarily only work with inspectors? They should have remained separate from the inspectors and worked with who needed them. Inspectors, Agents, Air and Marine officers. Like everything else it came down to money. In the begining CEOs had a lower journeyman level and the inspectors saw that the CEOs had a nice budget that they can get their hands on. So the inspectors helped the CEOs get a higher journeyman level and the rest is history.

Yes, I was aware of that, really pathetic as far as I'm concerned. The union does more damage than help. I've been working with my congressman to help make 6c a reality for us all. It'd be easier to just through my hands up and walk away, but that would just feed the fire of status quo mediocrace... No, I'll stay put until I can effect change. All good officers should stay put and not let the union or bad management brow beat them into submission...

[leoiaf]

Can anyone translate this in simple english or use any examples:

"Employees who request military leave for inactive duty training (which generally is 2, 4, or 6 hours in length) will now be charged only the amount of military leave necessary to cover the period of training and necessary travel. Members of the Reserves or and National Guard will no longer be charged military leave for weekends and holidays that occur within the period of military service."

I picked it up from:

http://www.opm.gov/oca/leave/html/MILITARY.ASP

By any chance does this mean I would not be charged from the 15 annual military leave days for a weekend drill?

Thank you.

[formerNOPD]

Can anyone translate this in simple english or use any examples:

"Employees who request military leave for inactive duty training (which generally is 2, 4, or 6 hours in length) will now be charged only the amount of military leave necessary to cover the period of training and necessary travel. Members of the Reserves or and National Guard will no longer be charged military leave for weekends and holidays that occur within the period of military service."

I picked it up from:

http://www.opm.gov/oca/leave/html/MILITARY.ASP

By any chance does this mean I would not be charged from the 15 annual military leave days for a weekend drill?

Thank you.


If the drill is on your regular day off, then no, they won't charge you. If it is on your regular work day, you have to have military leave or annual leave.

[What?]

The reason I ask is because of a confusing paragraph I read in this article...

http://www.afge.org/index.cfm?page=customsborderpatrol&fuse=content&contentid=190

It says "Today, many but not all federal police officers are covered under this definition, including the Capitol Police, FBI, Park Police, Secret Service Officers, and supervisory CBP Officers, but not CBP Officers themselves." Thats why I was wondering. There are some training positions and special positions that have been listed in the last 6 months as a covered position, but they are political - very high positions, something you'll likely not see, not for at least 20 years.

I have a few followup questions as I'm trying to somewhat plan my future.

I have a B.S. degree and have been offered the conditional letter of employment a few weeks ago. Today I got fingerprinted and I tried asking about the compressed schedule benefit I found on the OPM website. However it seemed by the general responses that a CBP Officer would not get it. I was hoping it would not be a huge issue to get because I have recently been selected by the ANG to attend pilot training at a much later date. After training my obligations would be to fly once a week, a weekend a month, and 2 weeks a year. Obviously a compressed time schedule such as working 4 days a week would be very accomodating. However their responses were "you'll get your 2 weeks military leave but the rest is on you." Is their any chance of trying to negotiate a compressed time schedule if and when the time comes? NO, you will not get a compressed schedule. It's not possible with CBP. You'll have to burn military leave or annual leave.

Also, how does one get to be a CBP enforcement officer or where can I find out info on getting hired as an Air Agent? Air and Marine agents are 1801s and are covered. You'll have to do a search on usajobs and hope for an opening. I applied in 2002 for a marine position and was in the running for 2 years until they were cancelled. They have not hired anyone for those positions since 2002. Enforcement officer? You will never get into that position - they are leftover seinior INS inspectors that were covered. They keep hinting that they're going to bring it back, but in reality, this agency was a hostile takeover by the customs side of the house, and they've pretty much screwed everything up that they possibly can.

Thanks for any help or suggestions and past replies.
at some ports they have hired new enforcement officers and they were never SRI's

[1895bombdog]

at some ports they have hired new enforcement officers and they were never SRI's
The first thing you need to learn if you are considering a career with our government is never apply any common sense. If you do you will be wrong and very unhappy or disatisfied.

[ArmouredSainT]

The first thing you need to learn if you are considering a career with our government is never apply any common sense. If you do you will be wrong and very unhappy or disatisfied.

You summed it all up right there! :confused:

[leoiaf]

"Applicants who receive a preliminary notification of their eligibility for
positions at the GS-7 grade level during the registration process are cautioned that they must actively apply for positions at the GS-5 level also in order to receive consideration at that level. If it turns out that their preliminary eligibility for the GS-7 level cannot be verified, there is no automatic default to the GS-5 level."

I just wanted to make sure I'm good to go for applying under gs-7. I have a B.S. degree with a 3.2 gpa. Is there something I might not know about that I should worry enough to apply for gs-5 as well?

[formerNOPD]

"Applicants who receive a preliminary notification of their eligibility for
positions at the GS-7 grade level during the registration process are cautioned that they must actively apply for positions at the GS-5 level also in order to receive consideration at that level. If it turns out that their preliminary eligibility for the GS-7 level cannot be verified, there is no automatic default to the GS-5 level."

I just wanted to make sure I'm good to go for applying under gs-7. I have a B.S. degree with a 3.2 gpa. Is there something I might not know about that I should worry enough to apply for gs-5 as well?

Do not apply for a GS5 position, apply for a GS 7. If you apply for both, they'll only offer you the 5 to save money. There are more 5 slots, so your chances at getting hired on are greater as a 5, but if you have a degree + military time, stick to your guns for 7.

[leoiaf]

I don't have military time though. I have been selected for officer training and pilot training through the Air National Guard, however I still need to go to officer school and pilot school. So for now I am simply an E3 waiting for dates that will come much later in time. Do you still think I should stick with GS-7?

[formerNOPD]

OK my mistake, with only college you can go either way. Unless you're desparate for a job, I'd still stick with 7.
Good luck.

[ArmouredSainT]

All college applicants I see only got gs5. I have no college but years of experience and got gs7. Of course, I selected I would only take a gs7 job. Generally, the powers that be will select for 7's those that meet the criteria, select gs7 only, and if there are spots available.
Those that select both will most likely, but not always, only receive gs5.

have fun :)

[homelandoffic3r]

i got a score of 75. guess i should not expect to hear from them anytime soon or no time at all. no military background, but i do have a 4 year degree :cool:

[ArmouredSainT]

I had 79 and started the rest of the process immediately. :eek: Of course, the whole process takes about a year or more.
Had a buddy who made 76 and he started immediately as well.

[leoiaf]

If I put down NJ for the location I would like to work in, what are the options or areas they can assign me to. Are they hiring for large airports right now and Newark Airport would be the assigned area or it can be anywhere in NJ for new applicants? If there are multiple areas in NJ, can you please list them? If anyone here works in NJ can you please PM me?

Thank you for your help.

[ArmouredSainT]

You could put where ever you want. They will offer you the end-of-the-earth details first. You'll just have to turn them down until you get what you want. From what I hear through the grape vine is that JFK is loosing people left and right. Nationwide, attrition is really high. I'm sure there are plenty of openings where you want to go. Just gonna hafta turn them down until some place seems nice.

[leoiaf]

That's the problem, I put down NYC as my preference and found out JFK is losing people because of how they run things over there. I looked into switching my location to NJ hoping for Newark Airport or a port in NJ near NYC but in order for me to do that I need to turn down the conditional offer for NYC and hope I can open up the process again with NJ as my preference. I don't want do that if there is the chance of me getting knocked out of the application process for good or setting back the process back another 6 months. Any suggestions???

[ArmouredSainT]

Unless they have changed what they are doing, usually lists are good for up to three years.

Trust me, if you take a job where you don't want to be, you are stuck there! They will not grant you a transfer except under extrordinary circumstances. Some folks manage to work out something. In the end, I knew one girl who had to quit to get a transfer to where her fiance moved to.

At your own risk, you just need to tell them i'd rather go to NJ and ask if there is something available. I knew a bunch of folks that did that, some waiting for nearly three years, holding out for what they wanted.

[homelandoffic3r]

how are things ran at jfk? is the over time bad or the hours sux etc? please let me know because i toke the test and passed with a 75 with a degree to back me up (probably will take them a long time to get to me). I put down NYC>NJ>PA. So do i still have a good shot at getting a call to work at JFK? I wish that i would have put Georgia :o

[leoiaf]

Here's what I gathered on switching a location preference. If you were not offered a conditional letter of employment it's not a problem at all. You need to contact them and simply request the change in the form of an email or letter. If you have already been offered a conditional letter, then things are much more complicated. First you need to decline the offer, and then write to them requesting that the application process be opened up again, this time with the new location. My question to all of you here... is this a risky move???

Anyways the number to call is 612-467-7004.

[guzz411]

Has anyone recieved a conditional letter from the CBP test a few months ago? I recieved a 88% and wait everyday to get the letter in the mail!!!

Thanks

[bdfjr24]

guzz411

I took the same test and received a COE. I have since done the medical/fit test and Video test. These were both completed within a week of each other in September. However, I have not heard anything since.

[theconstipated1]

does anyone know the cut off age for cbp. In some websites it says 37,but in their web site it says 40.

[ArmouredSainT]

does anyone know the cut off age for cbp. In some websites it says 37,but in their web site it says 40.

Under the current retirement system, there is no age limit for CBP Officer. CBP Border patrol agent, FPS Officer, and Secret Service agent are 37.

[1895bombdog]

Under the current retirement system, there is no age limit for CBP Officer. CBP Border patrol agent, FPS Officer, and Secret Service agent are 37.
I thought FPS gs-0083 did not have a age limit only their special agents did?
I thought as a 0083 they fell with va & dod police?

[formerNOPD]

Border patrol agent cutoff is 40. CBP officer positions have no cutoff.

[ArmouredSainT]

I may just be wrong, but I believed that they were 37...who knows????

[What?]

you can work at teterboro and morristown airports, and the air force base but you will not see those places until you get to know the right people. you have to be on the seaport unit first. not likely but can be done. how are your *** kissing skills? ive never worked those areas but have been there to visit friends and they are the best gig for not working and getting PAID$$$

[1895bombdog]

Thinking of a career with CBP? Check this out:

http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/05/23/low-morale-persistent-at-homeland-security/


A survey of Department of Homeland Security employees reveals that morale in the department is, well, very low.


At the Department of Homeland Security, only 12 percent of the more than 10,000 employees who returned a government questionnaire said they felt strongly that they are “encouraged to come up with new and better ways of doing things.”

In the agency, which has responsibility for protecting the country against terrorism and responding to natural disasters, only 3 percent of employees said they are confident that personnel decisions are “based on merit.”

Fewer than 18 percent said they feel strongly that they are “held accountable for achieving results.” And just 4 percent said they are sure that “creativity and innovation are rewarded.”

In each instance and many others, the responses of the Homeland Security employees were less favorable than those of all the other departments and agencies surveyed by the federal Office of Personnel Management, a new study by an outside research organization shows.

Experts in human resources said the morale problems indicated in the survey should be of serious concern to the top officials.

[JSS1284]

I highly doubt you're going to find an un-biased article at homeland"stupidity".com..So it really is that bad in Customs? Is Border Patrol around the same, when it comes to morale?

[1895bombdog]

I highly doubt you're going to find an un-biased article at homeland"stupidity".com..So it really is that bad in Customs? Is Border Patrol around the same, when it comes to morale?
Site refers to a survey done by the US Office of Personnel Management.

[JSS1284]

So the job is really that bad then eh? Graduating next year with a BA in accounting, but really wanted to give Fed LE atleast a shot. Is it basically that you guys are short-handed, or that the job is so repetitive? From the outsider's perspective Customs Officers seemed to be respected members in the LE community who have very important jobs. So whats with the low morale?? :cool:

[formerNOPD]

So the job is really that bad then eh? Graduating next year with a BA in accounting, but really wanted to give Fed LE atleast a shot. Is it basically that you guys are short-handed, or that the job is so repetitive? From the outsider's perspective Customs Officers seemed to be respected members in the LE community who have very important jobs. So whats with the low morale?? :cool:


We have a union that works against anything that can help us establish credibility. We have a lot of morons working for us. We have a lot of problems at ports with people being hired due to who they know or are related to versus their merit and/or background. If I were coming out of college, I would apply only for 1811 positions and skip CBP unless you are over 37, which at that point you can make it work, and sometimes you may be rewarded depending on where you are stationed.

[leoiaf]

Does CBP allow religious groups to observe certain days on a regular basis where accomadation is needed in scheduling. Examples are for Jewish or Adventists people observing the Sabbath or various churches, Seventh-day Baptist etc... Or is the 6 day or 7 day schedule strict with no leniancy?

[ArmouredSainT]

:confused:

hahahahahahahahaha

;)

[leoiaf]

http://www.federaltimes.com/index.php?S=2141199

Does this mean no paybanding for cbp officers?

[leoiaf]

I was hoping I can get input on the pros and cons at each of these locations. I read somewhere that trying decide between the two is like asking "Which would you prefer: Having your hand smashed by a hammer, or your foot run over by a forklift?" I am trying to find out (if any) which has a better chance of getting the morning shift, and which has more opportunity for overtime per year and what were the averages?

Thank you.

[ArmouredSainT]

I hear they have 30 employees a month quiting at jfk. Sounds like a lot of ot there. :D

[sierra164]

has anyone heard of upcoming academy dates or how long the background checks take? i am waiting for my medical to clear, then comes my drug test and the background check.
thanx!

[sierra164]

bump for all those waiting for FLETC dates...

[JamaicanLP]

Anyone Heading to the CBP San Diego Testing on the 17th?

[erivera]

Does anyone knows how long the background investigation takes? I already got a call from the security office to verify some information the begining of this month. I am only waiting on the background investigator to come and interview me.

[USfed]

CPB will never match up to the US Customs service pre 9/11. If you've been with the government for quite some time, specifically the customs service, you will agree that the merge with Immigration killed the Customs service. You can listen to the rumor mill all you want and think that CBP is going back to the way it was before 9/11 but the damage is done and it will take hundreds of years to get the Customs agency back to where it was. It was a great orginaztion I loved going to work everyday, have many arrests under my belt, now I can't wait to get out. I see guys coming in and leaving as soon as they can and go over to the state police, s/a positions etc.

Bottom line and I'm sure quite a few legacy Customs agents will agree with me that the US CUSTOMS service which was at the top of the game has been ruined.

Just my two cents!

[sierra164]

usfed, the rest of us here are just trying to get our federal le careers started. the guy who helped me start the process for cbp left for another federal job, but he had nothing but good things to say about cbp. sorry you are unhappy, but there are plenty of other agencies to apply to, once you're in. i'd actually like to be in your shoes, so it can't be so bad, can it?

[erivera]

I have sucessfully completed all the requirements and waiting on my background. I been contacted by the security office to confirm some information on the application. They inform me they don't know when an investigator will call me. Does anyone has any idea of how long this takes? :confused:

[erivera]

Does anyone also know when the next academy starts?

[erivera]

Academy

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Does anyone also know when the next academy starts?

[erivera]

Waiting

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I have sucessfully completed all the requirements and waiting on my background. I been contacted by the security office to confirm some information on the application. They inform me they don't know when an investigator will call me. Does anyone has any idea of how long this takes?

[sierra164]

i'm in the same boat as you, erivera! hurry up and wait!

can anyone else out there help us and tell us how long background checks take and when the next cbp class will go to FLETC?

[sierra164]

here's a big bump for all the cbp hopefulls.

any info out there?

[SoCalFed]

Academy

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Does anyone also know when the next academy starts?


I was at FLETC for some training recently and I would swear it was the CBPLETC, not FLETC with all of the CBP trainees there. My understanding is that they have new CBP academy classes starting almost every week.

[erivera]

Does anyone has any info on the background process? How long does it takes? ETC.

[SavRhiBri]

What are the written and video tests like?

[george4]

I have some questions regarding pay. With 10 years LE experience and a B.S. I apparently only qualify for a GS5. How does someone survive on 28,000 a year. I realize there is OT involved but are there is anything else that effects the base pay?

Also, how does the paybanding system work? Thanks in advance for any informed positive remarks.

[VAPD21]

Does anyone have any information on CBP jobs in CT or VT?

Just overall, people happy with the job?

[merlin436]

I have some questions regarding pay. With 10 years LE experience and a B.S. I apparently only qualify for a GS5. How does someone survive on 28,000 a year. I realize there is OT involved but are there is anything else that effects the base pay?

Also, how does the paybanding system work? Thanks in advance for any informed positive remarks.


15% evening diff., 20% night diff, 50% Sunday diff., double time for holidays.

As far as paybanding goes, I don't know of anyone who really knows what effect it'll have in the future. The good news...it appears dead, at least for now.

[barnaj]

Hey,
Gotta notice that i gotta take this test soon. And ive done some research and have the basic idea, but has anyone taken this test that can tell me exactly what its all about?
thanks!

[RCS]

Does anyone have any insight on locations in MA/RI? Good places to work, OT, ETC? Thanks and stay safe!

[What?]

CPB will never match up to the US Customs service pre 9/11. If you've been with the government for quite some time, specifically the customs service, you will agree that the merge with Immigration killed the Customs service. You can listen to the rumor mill all you want and think that CBP is going back to the way it was before 9/11 but the damage is done and it will take hundreds of years to get the Customs agency back to where it was. It was a great orginaztion I loved going to work everyday, have many arrests under my belt, now I can't wait to get out. I see guys coming in and leaving as soon as they can and go over to the state police, s/a positions etc.

Bottom line and I'm sure quite a few legacy Customs agents will agree with me that the US CUSTOMS service which was at the top of the game has been ruined.

Just my two cents!

CBPenis definately ruined both Customs and INS but with all due respect, Customs took over INS. It was never the "merger" it was proposed to be. Management took over Inspections and Investigations. They also are in all top management HQ positions. Thank God Im part of DRO where Customs has not been able to get their hands on. Yes, Im an II.

[jth1999]

Hey,
Gotta notice that i gotta take this test soon. And ive done some research and have the basic idea, but has anyone taken this test that can tell me exactly what its all about?
thanks!


I just got done taking that test a few weeks ago. It is only as hard as you make it. They told me that I am not allowed to tell you exactly what is in the test however if you have half a brain I would net sweat it. To give you an idea of what to expect, you will be watching a video that puts you in a general situation (one that you could run into at any job and it may have nothing to do with CBP). After setting up the scene you will be givin the chance to respond. During the VBT you will be videotaped and you will have a tape recorder strapped to you chest because they will want to see/hear how you respond to the situation. At 1st it was pretty weird to me but after the 2nd scenario, I was pretty comfortable with the whole thing. The VBT consists of 8 scenarios and will take about 30 minutes to get through all of them.

Let me know if you have any more questions.
By the way. It took me 8 months to get my tenative selection letter after I took the initial written test and I only scored an 88 with no military background. Watch out for the physical test. The stepping test was a LOT harder than I ever imagined and it really kicked my butt!!

[zxcvbnm]

Wow, I just signed up for the CBPO test but after reading all this, I think I may cancel it. I do not want to be sitting at a checkpoint all day.

Ive already taken Border Patrol and ICE SA exams, maybe ill still with those and wait for DSS to come up.

[merlin436]

Wow, I just signed up for the CBPO test but after reading all this, I think I may cancel it. I do not want to be sitting at a checkpoint all day.

Ive already taken Border Patrol and ICE SA exams, maybe ill still with those and wait for DSS to come up.

You might want to keep active with CBP too, just in case the BPA/ICE move drags it's feet. Some of the pre-employment processes will transfer over, and one could do worse than spending a few months as a CBPO, if it takes the BP/ICE a few years to work you in.

[mjcek]

i tested last May, but havent heard anything yet other than getting my score in the mail.

Am I still in the running or am i SOL? I tried to register for the new announcement but it said I had to wait a year to test again.

[merlin436]

i tested last May, but havent heard anything yet other than getting my score in the mail.

Am I still in the running or am i SOL? I tried to register for the new announcement but it said I had to wait a year to test again.

The good news...you are still in the running. The bad news...you may get a TO today or never. Nobody outside of hiring knows what the cut-off is for whichever ports you picked.

[jth1999]

Can anyone share with me their experience from when they attended the FLETC academy. What was the daily life like? Is it similar to Army boot camp? Will they shave my head?
I'm half way through the pre-employment process to become a CBP officer and I was just trying to get a feel for what to expect.

Also, does anyone know if CBP issues me all the utilties that I have to wear on my belt after I start my new position (i.e. handcuffs, gun,etc) or do I have to purchase all that stuff on my own?

[barnaj]

I just got done taking that test a few weeks ago. It is only as hard as you make it. They told me that I am not allowed to tell you exactly what is in the test however if you have half a brain I would net sweat it. To give you an idea of what to expect, you will be watching a video that puts you in a general situation (one that you could run into at any job and it may have nothing to do with CBP). After setting up the scene you will be givin the chance to respond. During the VBT you will be videotaped and you will have a tape recorder strapped to you chest because they will want to see/hear how you respond to the situation. At 1st it was pretty weird to me but after the 2nd scenario, I was pretty comfortable with the whole thing. The VBT consists of 8 scenarios and will take about 30 minutes to get through all of them.

Let me know if you have any more questions.
By the way. It took me 8 months to get my tenative selection letter after I took the initial written test and I only scored an 88 with no military background. Watch out for the physical test. The stepping test was a LOT harder than I ever imagined and it really kicked my butt!!

Yeah bro, thanks. I actually took the VBT myself last wednesday and it was easy as hell and actually kinda fun as compared to all the written ****. Yeah i took my test back in May or something, got a 90 and have a military background. Didnt hear a thing then all of a sudden the day before christmas eve i got my tentative selction notice and since then took my medical, physical, and vbt. hopefully the stuff keeps movin fast for both of us. good luck bro!

[sierra164]

has anyone here had a medical issue arise? i had a problem with my vision, so i had to go to my own doctor and have him fill out a form, and now i'm waiting for that to clear. it's already been three weeks since they recieved that...
all i have left is the background check and drug test, and i'm getting tired of waiting. anyone else gone through this?
-thanx

[ArmouredSainT]

FLETC is a breeze to more mature folks. ;)
Has some rules, but nothing that can't be over come. It is not like a boot camp. I thought of it more as a secure college campus. :rolleyes:
Younger people will more likely run into probs as a result of boozing it up and starting trouble or finding their soul mate and having the spouses find out. :eek:

[erivera]

Is anyone still waiting on their background? The security office contacted me on Jan 2, to verify some information, and they mention they don't know when the investigator will call me. Does anyone know how long the background process takes?

[jth1999]

FLETC is a breeze to more mature folks. ;)
Has some rules, but nothing that can't be over come. It is not like a boot camp. I thought of it more as a secure college campus. :rolleyes:
Younger people will more likely run into probs as a result of boozing it up and starting trouble or finding their soul mate and having the spouses find out. :eek:


Thanks for your input. I'm really looking forward to it, however would you be able to comment on the other items that I mentioned up in my previous post?
like CBT issuing me my belt utilities or not...

[INTHEAIRCOP]

15% evening diff., 20% night diff, 50% Sunday diff., double time for holidays.

As far as paybanding goes, I don't know of anyone who really knows what effect it'll have in the future. The good news...it appears dead, at least for now.


Are you sure about that. Over here on the 6C side we only get 10% for night dif / 25% for sunday dif. I could be wrong about you CBP guys.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

I have some questions regarding pay. With 10 years LE experience and a B.S. I apparently only qualify for a GS5. How does someone survive on 28,000 a year. I realize there is OT involved but are there is anything else that effects the base pay?

Also, how does the paybanding system work? Thanks in advance for any informed positive remarks.
That is how the Feds do it. If you want more money maybe you should put in for another agency. The FAMs start out at about $53,000 a year and top out in only 3 short years at about $83,000 a year.

[jth1999]

Is anyone still waiting on their background? The security office contacted me on Jan 2, to verify some information, and they mention they don't know when the investigator will call me. Does anyone know how long the background process takes?


If you are referring to CBP, it is my understanding that the background check can take anywhere from 4-6 months as long as there are no issues that they have with you. I just sent in my SF-86 and all the other docs that they wanted a few weeks ago so i'm just getting settled in for a long wait.

[merlin436]

Are you sure about that. Over here on the 6C side we only get 10% for night dif / 25% for sunday dif. I could be wrong about you CBP guys.

Yup. Double time for OT too. Then again, all you 6Cers get LEAP or AOU, don't you?

Lucky you. Personally, I'd make more per year with 25 percent of my base pay, plus your diffs, then I do under our current system.

[ArmouredSainT]

You'll get all that you need there.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

Yup. Double time for OT too. Then again, all you 6Cers get LEAP or AOU, don't you?

Lucky you. Personally, I'd make more per year with 25 percent of my base pay, plus your diffs, then I do under our current system.


I just got my W2 and I made just about $93,000 last year and I did not work any OT. Since we fall under LEAP I normaly work about 40-45 hours a week. We are not paid for any unscheduled OT such as flight delays. Basicaly salary over here at the FAMS. I would guess a CBP guy at a GS5-GS7 would have to work his butt off to make close to what a 3rd year FAM makes. I could be wrong because I do not know one single CBP guy.

[ford123]

5.5 years CBP.

I work 48 hours a week....

That brings me to 97,000....

[merlin436]

You'll get all that you need there.

Speak for yourself! :)

I see no reason that I should suffer through the boredom and isolation of ND for a mere 61K a year as an 11/1 when folks like Ford and AirCop are making 90+ and living the highlife in the midst of civilization. :D

[ford123]

Speak for yourself! :)

I see no reason that I should suffer through the boredom and isolation of ND for a mere 61K a year as an 11/1 when folks like Ford and AirCop are making 90+ and living the highlife in the midst of civilization. :D

Whoa!!! Slow down thar partner!

Darn NY is expensive.

Where I live, a house goes for 400,000, and an apartment will run you 1300-1500 a month....(1 bedroom)

I might trade places with ya if I had the chance.....

[merlin436]

Hey...I know NY is expensive, I grew up west of Champlain.

I also know that you need not drive 90 miles to find a Wal-Mart or 130 miles to get to a Target or Lowe’s. Or just about anywhere else. I might not pay NY rates in rent, but 50K a year in mileage on the vehicle eats up a lot of dough too.

I’m also betting that you see far more through your port in a month than most people up here see in years. I dare say that a GS-05 eight months out of FLETC at your port has done and seen far more than I have in 3 years.

But hey…if at anytime you feel a desire to trade in the city life for a town of 400, 6 hours of TV watching and 15-25 cars a day, let me know. I’m sure I can find somebody to snap it up real quick.

[CBPSDJohn]

"Also, does anyone know if CBP issues me all the utilties that I have to wear on my belt after I start my new position (i.e. handcuffs, gun,etc) or do I have to purchase all that stuff on my own?"

I believe Amoured Saint was answering the above question. Anyway, yes you will be issued your duty gear such as firearm, belt, holster, handcuffs, baton, OC spray, keepers, etc. Things you might want to buy yourself- a good flashlight and a good duty knife, but you'll have plenty of time for those. Enjoy your time at FLETC, pay attention, work with your classmates as a team, don't stress out and you'll do fine. Good luck.

[merlin436]

Perhaps you're right, I may have misread AS's post. Whoops!

Looking back at my posts...I detect a certain hint of bitterness, which wasn't intended. I like my job. There are many positives to working in ND. Racking in the cash, work experience and excitement really are not among them though.

[jth1999]

"Also, does anyone know if CBP issues me all the utilties that I have to wear on my belt after I start my new position (i.e. handcuffs, gun,etc) or do I have to purchase all that stuff on my own?"

I believe Amoured Saint was answering the above question. Anyway, yes you will be issued your duty gear such as firearm, belt, holster, handcuffs, baton, OC spray, keepers, etc. Things you might want to buy yourself- a good flashlight and a good duty knife, but you'll have plenty of time for those. Enjoy your time at FLETC, pay attention, work with your classmates as a team, don't stress out and you'll do fine. Good luck.



Thank you for the reply, I was not sure if Amoured Saint was answering my question or not.
Another question I have is let's say I get a final offer letter at the GS5 level. When I look at the paycharts, there are more than one GS5 pay level (i.e. GS5-1, GS5-2, GS5-3, and so on) what does the "-1 or -2" part mean?
When I start the job, should I expect to start at the GS5-1 level or is there a possiblity that I could start at the GS5-5 level?
How does one get to the GS5-2 level or higher?
GS5-1's do not make a lot so I'm trying to plan ahead now.

[CBPSDJohn]

"Another question I have is let's say I get a final offer letter at the GS5 level. When I look at the paycharts, there are more than one GS5 pay level (i.e. GS5-1, GS5-2, GS5-3, and so on) what does the "-1 or -2" part mean?
When I start the job, should I expect to start at the GS5-1 level or is there a possiblity that I could start at the GS5-5 level?
How does one get to the GS5-2 level or higher?
GS5-1's do not make a lot so I'm trying to plan ahead now."

Normally if you are hired at GS 5, you will be a GS 5 step 1. One year from when you are hired or Enter on Duty (EOD), you will become GS 7 step 1, one year from that, GS 9 step 1 and one year after that, GS 11 step 1. At GS 11 you stop automatic GS raises however you get annual step increases such as GS 11 step 2, 3, etc. or until you take a competitive test to Supervisor GS 12 or Chief GS 13. The above are normal, however there are exceptions. Other things you have to look at are your locality pay, which is different for different parts of the country, shift differential which is extra 15% of base pay for swing shift and 20% for graveyard shift, Sunday premium pay which is an extra 50% and OT, which is double time. We have a $35,000 cap on OT. Depending on where you work, you may see little OT or like we are on the southern border, many people capping out on OT. Hope this helps, Good Luck.

[SavRhiBri]

What kind of Math is on the test?...Is it like Algebra and/or basic stuff?

[jth1999]

Normally if you are hired at GS 5, you will be a GS 5 step 1. One year from when you are hired or Enter on Duty (EOD), you will become GS 7 step 1, one year from that, GS 9 step 1 and one year after that, GS 11 step 1. At GS 11 you stop automatic GS raises however you get annual step increases such as GS 11 step 2, 3, etc. or until you take a competitive test to Supervisor GS 12 or Chief GS 13. The above are normal, however there are exceptions. Other things you have to look at are your locality pay, which is different for different parts of the country, shift differential which is extra 15% of base pay for swing shift and 20% for graveyard shift, Sunday premium pay which is an extra 50% and OT, which is double time. We have a $35,000 cap on OT. Depending on where you work, you may see little OT or like we are on the southern border, many people capping out on OT. Hope this helps, Good Luck.[/QUOTE]



Thank you very much for breaking all of that down for me. That was very helpfull. While we are at it, I have another question.
One of the docs that I had to sign was the Intern aknowledgement form. The form basicly said that I could be released 2 years after my EOD date. How likely is that to happen? To put it bluntly, I'm not a moron and I have had all my youth immaturaty out of my system for some time now. The reason I ask is because I have a family and a mortgagee that I am responsible for and I don't want to go all the way through this process to find out that after the 2 year internship is up, I am out of a job. I realize that you can't predict the future, however I was just looking for your opinion.

[jth1999]

What kind of Math is on the test?...Is it like Algebra and/or basic stuff?


The math test covers basic math to basic algebra.
There was a lot of compound questions where you are given multiple pieces of info that you combine to get a final answer. From what I remember, most of the questions were not as short as A+B=C type of questions.
Before you take the written test, I would HIGHLY recommend taking the practice test that they send you in the mail.
It gives you a very good idea of what to expect.
Keep in mind that time is of the essence. I finished each test with only minutes to spare.
If they don't send you the practice test in the mail, I would start searching for a copy of it on your own.

[PJ06]

How hard is the math part of the test?

I read the test guide it doesn't seem to be hard...just wonder how many questions related to math are there in the test

[jth1999]

How hard is the math part of the test?

I read the test guide it doesn't seem to be hard...just wonder how many questions related to math are there in the test


Don't quote me because I took the written test back in April of 2006 but I think that the math test was like 35-40 questions long.
as long as you are focused and not day dreaming during the test, you should be able to complete it with time to spare.
I did not think that the test was very hard at all but it was not very easy either. It just makes you think is all. :)

[PJ06]

Don't quote me because I took the written test back in April of 2006 but I think that the math test was like 35-40 questions long.
as long as you are focused and not day dreaming during the test, you should be able to complete it with time to spare.
I did not think that the test was very hard at all but it was not very easy either. It just makes you think is all. :)

Thanks for the info

[SavRhiBri]

.....Ditto.

[SHSURobert]

Does anyone know if it's possible to change the locations we select in our initial internet application? I put down three locations that I'd accept for CBP, but I'd like to change one of them.

A lot of you are further in the process than I. I go to San Antonio to take the test on Tuesday. I don't know why they don't have one closer to Houston.

Thanks and good luck to all....

Robert

[sierra164]

bump bump

[merlin436]

Does anyone know if it's possible to change the locations we select in our initial internet application? I put down three locations that I'd accept for CBP, but I'd like to change one of them.

A lot of you are further in the process than I. I go to San Antonio to take the test on Tuesday. I don't know why they don't have one closer to Houston.

Thanks and good luck to all....

Robert


R.

I don't think you can change them now...but it really doesn't matter at this point anyway. After you test and you recieve your NOR(notice of results), there's a number on the back to call and change locations, phone numbers and the like.

[SHSURobert]

Thanks for the info.

[willeck]

I just took the entry level CBP Officer test today. I didn't think that the test was too difficult. I was wondering if someone could tell me how long it usually takes before you get your results back from the test? Thanks

[merlin436]

3-8 weeks roughly. Most probably 4-5 weeks.

[qixfeet]

Any CBP guys here from the VA office? I just got my tenative offer for the Virginia duty station. Anyone Know what life is like in VA for CBP?

[mjcek]

got a T.O for Arizona...

Will I be able to choose from a list of duty locations when/if I get a final offer?

How tough is it to get a non-border post in AZ??? (Phoenix Int'l airport, etc)

What AZ locations are viewed as the most desirable?

EDIT: One FINAL question...

With the 6c for CBPO's pasing in a house committee, how soon until it's passed by the senate and CBP finally gets 6c????

[merlin436]

When was "6C" for CBPO's passed in the House? That's news to me.

[mjcek]

When was "6C" for CBPO's passed in the House? That's news to me.


I believe it was passed in a COMMITTEE vote, not the full house...

[mjcek]

one other question...

How is the Nogales border viewed as far as working conditions, available OT, etc? I'd prefer a post where I can commute from Tucson, if possible.

[Doctaw]

I'll be taking the CBPO Test later this month in NY. Question is what is the reality of getting hired on at JFK if I scored at least a 90 on the test? Is JFK hurting for people? I'm currently AD Airforce due to seperate in July. After 9 1/2 years AF I'm ready to move on to a new career!

[merlin436]

I believe it was passed in a COMMITTEE vote, not the full house...

Understood.

I'll take a stab at your questions, or at least a couple of them:

1. Probably. If history serves, most new hires are offered more than 1 POE. I wouldn't be expecting to choose from 9-10, but 2-3 are usually offered.
Notice I said usually...I know of several people who were only offered one. Best of luck.

2. No idea.

3. No idea.

4. IMO, never. Or at least not within the foreseeable future.
DHS/CBP/Uncle Sugar has had at least two shots at giving us "6C" in the last 4 years and passed on both.(the creation of DHS/reorganization of the legacy agencies...and Bush's plan to hire 6000 BPA's and deploy the NG along the border.) I simply don't see it as part of any current plan.

[mjcek]

ok here are a few more ???'s for you guys...

1.What is the uniform for CBPO's at FLETC?

2. Are new CBPO's primarily put on midnights? days? rotation? Are you eventually put on a permanent shift, or do all CBPO's work rotating shifts?

3. Does an Arizona posting start you at a higher step at the GS-5 level?

4. I KNOW this will vary, but REALISTICALLY, what can a GS-5 in AZ expect to bring home when you include OT, nights, etc? (I'm speaking mainly of locations such as Nogales and other border posts)

[mjcek]

just saw this on CBP.gov...

1. Can I change my chosen duty locations after I have been referred over to the Training and Scheduling Unit?

No. If you have been referred over to the Training and Scheduling Unit for an entry on duty date and class schedule, you will not be able to change your duty location choices.


So does this mean I can change my location preferences during the hiring process? Would that affect anything (timewise) since the T.O letter already stated an assigned location?

[Chiller]

ok here are a few more ???'s for you guys...

1.What is the uniform for CBPO's at FLETC?

2. Are new CBPO's primarily put on midnights? days? rotation? Are you eventually put on a permanent shift, or do all CBPO's work rotating shifts?

3. Does an Arizona posting start you at a higher step at the GS-5 level?

4. I KNOW this will vary, but REALISTICALLY, what can a GS-5 in AZ expect to bring home when you include OT, nights, etc? (I'm speaking mainly of locations such as Nogales and other border posts)


I only know #1--- They were their standard duty CBP uniform and issued backpacks

[yooper]

i got a notice of tentative selection letter in the mail yesterday. I am going to fill it all out. About how long am i looking to hear back from them if they select me?


Thanks

[barnaj]

i got a notice of tentative selection letter in the mail yesterday. I am going to fill it all out. About how long am i looking to hear back from them if they select me?


Thanks

Hey man, i got my letter on dec. 8th and got my official application packet (handwritten and online to fill out) on dec. 23rd. that packet takes alot of time to fill out, so have as much info as possible on hand. since then Ive taken my medical, physical, structured interview and urinalysis. so i guess when you get your official packet things start moving along quick as long as you do what they ask and when and pass allyour tests. im hopin to get some more correspondence soon (wishful thinking).
Hope this helps. Good luck!

[barnaj]

Anyone from CBP know how long it normally takes to get an offer after you pass your urinalysis? passed mine a week ago and i know normally when they get that intrusive normally they will be offering you employment.
Thanks.

[merlin436]

Anyone from CBP know how long it normally takes to get an offer after you pass your urinalysis? passed mine a week ago and i know normally when they get that intrusive normally they will be offering you employment.
Thanks.

Where are you with your BI?

Hate to disappoint you...but there is no rhyme or reason behind which step gets scheduled when after one gets a TO. You just as easily could have had your "whiz quiz" first thing.

[igneous]

I'm kind of considering applying to be a cbp officer. I'm not sure if I want to though. Basically your a screener with a gun for a lot of the positions right? I'm not sure if I can handle that. :(

[merlin436]

At 95?

No...you probably couldn't. ;)

[sierra164]

haha. nice, merlin.
i think we have a troll.
let's not feed him...

[igneous]

hahaha, yeah I'm not a troll. I didn't mean I couldn't handle it, I meant that mentally I could not handle that on a day to day basis. I think it would be incredibly monotonous. :(
Im looking for an entry point into Federal LE though

[barrister]

Any idea what the dress code is for taking the exam?

[merlin436]

hahaha, yeah I'm not a troll. I didn't mean I couldn't handle it, I meant that mentally I could not handle that on a day to day basis. I think it would be incredibly monotonous. :(
Im looking for an entry point into Federal LE though

If a CBPO position doesn't suit you, you could always put in for Border Patrol.

"6C" retirement coverage and stomping through the desert looking for Mexicans...all the excitement you could want.

[merlin436]

Any idea what the dress code is for taking the exam?

There is no dress code for taking the exam.

I wouldn't dress too goofy though, occassionally somebody from a port might just wander in. I recommend business casual.

[sierra164]

khakis and a golf shirt worked for me. tuck it in, of course...

[barnaj]

Where are you with your BI?

Hate to disappoint you...but there is no rhyme or reason behind which step gets scheduled when after one gets a TO. You just as easily could have had your "whiz quiz" first thing.

Yeah I was thinking that but my brother is a cop and was at the range yesterday and ran into 2 guys from different cities whom where there shooting. they both told him that 2 weeks after thier **** test that got called with job offers. coincidence? maybe, maybe not.

[merlin436]

Yeah I was thinking that but my brother is a cop and was at the range yesterday and ran into 2 guys from different cities whom where there shooting. they both told him that 2 weeks after thier **** test that got called with job offers. coincidence? maybe, maybe not.

I don't doubt that..if a person had everything else completed and was only waiting for the drug test.


Have you checked CASS to see what's been completed in your case?

[barnaj]

I don't doubt that..if a person had everything else completed and was only waiting for the drug test.


Have you checked CASS to see what's been completed in your case?

yeah, all thats left is my background. but wouldnt you have to technically pass a drug test before they could clear a background? Hard to say just hopin i'll be lucky and hear something right quick.

[NYSPGreg]

are CBP officers covered under HR 218?

[ford123]

Yes..they are..

[merlin436]

Offhand, I can't think a reason why we would need to carry under HR-218(since we already have 24/7 carry authority pretty much any and everywhere in the US) but I suppose a few just might exist.

[mjcek]

need some help...

when I log onto e-qip to do the SF-86, i get an error message after i fill in the 3 "golden questions" (last name, city born in , and yr of birth)...

anyone else have this problem???

[ford123]

Offhand, I can't think a reason why we would need to carry under HR-218(since we already have 24/7 carry authority pretty much any and everywhere in the US) but I suppose a few just might exist.

If you wanted to carry a different firearm, than your duty weapon..That would be the only reason I could think of..

Woops, I have to edit here....This is from someone in New York....You can buy and carry whatever you want in some other states, I am sure. (As a private citizen)

[merlin436]

If you wanted to carry a different firearm, than your duty weapon..That would be the only reason I could think of..


As I understand it, HR-218 requires that the agency qualifies you with the weapon you're carrying.
I don't see CBP making it a practice to qualify people on anything other than duty weapons.

[barnaj]

need some help...

when I log onto e-qip to do the SF-86, i get an error message after i fill in the 3 "golden questions" (last name, city born in , and yr of birth)...

anyone else have this problem???

if i remember correctly for city of birt ou have to type "unknown". dont know why but i think that might be your problem.

[barnaj]

anyone know the website address where cbp officers go to to use their uniform allowance? my friend in the national guard is an officer here in michigan and he showed me the page once, but i forgot the address.
thanks!

[Bullitt107]

Why not ask him again?

[barnaj]

Why not ask him again?

Oh, because i know him from the national guard and wont see him again till next month? i thought it was like ptat or something.

[mjcek]

if i remember correctly for city of birt ou have to type "unknown". dont know why but i think that might be your problem.

yeah that was it...thanks...

i was looking at a diff set of instructions and found it in another section of the book...

[merlin436]

anyone know the website address where cbp officers go to to use their uniform allowance? my friend in the national guard is an officer here in michigan and he showed me the page once, but i forgot the address.
thanks!

It's www.vfsolutions.com

It's not going to do you much good unless you've got an account already set up though.

Edit: if you do happen to have an account and you happen to know your password to log in...IMO you're crazy to order ANYTHING until after you complete FLETC and make it back to your port. Too many NUGS order stuff only to find out later that port policy bars the wearing of it. That goes for Sally's stuff too.

[jth1999]

if i remember correctly for city of birt ou have to type "unknown". dont know why but i think that might be your problem.



I think that you are right on this.
I remember reading an instruction to type unknown for the city that you were born in.

Make sure to take you time reading "ALL" the instructions that are sent to you. That's one of the reasons that all of this is so time consuming.

[barnaj]

I think that you are right on this.
I remember reading an instruction to type unknown for the city that you were born in.

Make sure to take you time reading "ALL" the instructions that are sent to you. That's one of the reasons that all of this is so time consuming.

yeah, aint that the truth! that package takes so darn long as it is, you might as well take your time and do it correctly.

[jth1999]

yeah, aint that the truth! that package takes so darn long as it is, you might as well take your time and do it correctly.


I think that I got my Tenetive Selection letter the 1st week of December and then the paperwork arrived about a week later. It took me 8 months just to get the tenetive selection letter!
Since then, I spent 4 hours filling out the SF-86 and then another 2 hours filling out the rest of the docs/making copies of all of them.
Can you believe that my local PD charge me $45 to do my finger prints!!!
I wonder if that's reimbursable?...
I found out that I passed the VBT and Drug test just last Wednesday.
CASS says that all that's remaining is my qualifications check and my background check.
I wonder how much longer it's going to be.
I think that I read somewhere on this forum that if I get a Final Offer that it may be for more then 1 post.
Does anyone know what the likleyhood of that is?
Does anyone know what happens if I don't like any of the locations that they offer me?
by the way, thanks for letting me vent!
I just can't believe how long this has taken.

[barnaj]

I think that I got my Tenetive Selection letter the 1st week of December and then the paperwork arrived about a week later. It took me 8 months just to get the tenetive selection letter!
Since then, I spent 4 hours filling out the SF-86 and then another 2 hours filling out the rest of the docs/making copies of all of them.
Can you believe that my local PD charge me $45 to do my finger prints!!!
I wonder if that's reimbursable?...
I found out that I passed the VBT and Drug test just last Wednesday.
CASS says that all that's remaining is my qualifications check and my background check.
I wonder how much longer it's going to be.
I think that I read somewhere on this forum that if I get a Final Offer that it may be for more then 1 post.
Does anyone know what the likleyhood of that is?
Does anyone know what happens if I don't like any of the locations that they offer me?
by the way, thanks for letting me vent!
I just can't believe how long this has taken.

Yeah it takes a while doesnt it? Im like you, waiting for my background and qualifications. cant see why qualifications takes so long. you tell em straight what high school, etc. you went to. by the way, i dont suggest turning down any location if you dont like it. if you're like me you better just bite the bullett and take whatever they offer, or you made all the hassle just a waste of your time.
Good Luck.

[merlin436]

I think that I read somewhere on this forum that if I get a Final Offer that it may be for more then 1 post.
Does anyone know what the likleyhood of that is?
Does anyone know what happens if I don't like any of the locations that they offer me?


1. Maybe to probably, depending on what your selections were. If you picked northern MN, ND or anywhere...probably.

2. You walk. Maybe...just maybe they'll let you hang in limbo waiting for a chance that a port more to your choosing opens up...but don't count on it.

[merlin436]

if you're like me you better just bite the bullett and take whatever they offer, or you made all the hassle just a waste of your time.
Good Luck.

If you're willing to spend 4-5-6 years out in the middle of nowhere...or you only using CBP as a stepping stone into another agency...that might work. Most likely you'll end up quiting otherwise.

[barnaj]

If you're willing to spend 4-5-6 years out in the middle of nowhere...or you only using CBP as a stepping stone into another agency...that might work. Most likely you'll end up quiting otherwise.

yeah, well im not sure what the job market is like where you are from, but michigan's is the worst in the country. aint nobody turnin down good jobs around here!!

[jth1999]

Does anyone know if CBP Officers get tuition reimbursement if they want to go to college on their own time to earn their 4 year degree?
If so, how much reimbursment can they get per year.
What are the requirements to qualify for tuition reimbursement?
My current employeer gives me 5K per year and I'm not so sure that that's something that I am going to want to give up. :confused:
Just in case you were wondering, I don't have any military background. :(

[FSW]

I got my score back from the recent testing(91). When I applied online for "numerous locations in NC" it did not have specific locations listed. Any idea where they are needed the most? I can only assume Charlotte Raleigh, and Greensboro airports.

[glkp35]

I got my results back from recent testing (76). Is this score good enough to get a call? Also, how many jobs are open in the New York area other than NYC.
thanks

[qixfeet]

How difficult is it to move from a CBP officer to a CBP marine interdiction officer?

[ArmouredSainT]

It's like reapplying for a whole new job. CBP officers and all other cbp real LEO positions are completely different in training, retirement, and mandates. You could lateral better from 1811 agent to MIO much easier than from CBPO.

[willeck]

I recently got my test scores for the CBPO test I took last month, I was just wondering what the score was out of? Is the max score on the test a 100? Thanks

[jth1999]

I recently got my test scores for the CBPO test I took last month, I was just wondering what the score was out of? Is the max score on the test a 100? Thanks



I don't know but I would love to find that out too. When I got my results back, I got an 88 and I was feeling pretty good about that because I was just "assuming" that it was out of 100. Not long ago I saw a post from a guy talking about how him and his friends all got 108,109, and 110's. They all had veteran preference though so I wonder if they just take your score and add points to that score for each year that one has served in the military.

[willeck]

I don't know but I would love to find that out too. When I got my results back, I got an 88 and I was feeling pretty good about that because I was just "assuming" that it was out of 100. Not long ago I saw a post from a guy talking about how him and his friends all got 108,109, and 110's. They all had veteran preference though so I wonder if they just take your score and add points to that score for each year that one has served in the military.

Veterans points don't work that way. Veterans points aren't accumulated by years in service though. If you are a veteran you get 5 additional points on your score, and if you are a veteran with a military related disability you get an extra 10 points on your score.

[CISPOS]

Alright, this is my first posting anything here. I am a 23 year old college student in Denver and currently work for CIS as an IIO under the SCEP program. I recently took the CBPO test in DEN on 02/05 and received my score of 87. Decent, I guess. My main question is what are the specifics that anyone can add to the gerneric explanations that CBP gives you on the hiring process. Time seems relative to the location and need. What are some of your experiences. VBT, BI, Medical, etc. Also, I have a confidential, non-sensitive clearance with CIS...help any? I also want to know what my chances are with GEOs: Denver, Miami, and LA (Louisiana). I am quite excited to get started with all of it, but I hear that no TOs are offered until at least 3 months after the closing date (per CBP). Hope someone can answer at least a few of my questions....good luck to all. :D

[barnaj]

Alright, this is my first posting anything here. I am a 23 year old college student in Denver and currently work for CIS as an IIO under the SCEP program. I recently took the CBPO test in DEN on 02/05 and received my score of 87. Decent, I guess. My main question is what are the specifics that anyone can add to the gerneric explanations that CBP gives you on the hiring process. Time seems relative to the location and need. What are some of your experiences. VBT, BI, Medical, etc. Also, I have a confidential, non-sensitive clearance with CIS...help any? I also want to know what my chances are with GEOs: Denver, Miami, and LA (Louisiana). I am quite excited to get started with all of it, but I hear that no TOs are offered until at least 3 months after the closing date (per CBP). Hope someone can answer at least a few of my questions....good luck to all. :D

Well as far as the hiring process goes, it seems once you get a TO, ten the ball starts rolling. I got myTO in december and my official app package on dec. 23rd. since then, ive done med, physical (same day), VBT (situational video that you interact with) and my drug test. I also, got notified that i am qualified for GS-5 Level, and have been going through my background. theyve sat down with me and have interviewed 3 of my friends so far. seems to be going well, hopefully i dont get snagged up on anything.
Good Luck!

[jth1999]

Well as far as the hiring process goes, it seems once you get a TO, ten the ball starts rolling. I got myTO in december and my official app package on dec. 23rd. since then, ive done med, physical (same day), VBT (situational video that you interact with) and my drug test. I also, got notified that i am qualified for GS-5 Level, and have been going through my background. theyve sat down with me and have interviewed 3 of my friends so far. seems to be going well, hopefully i dont get snagged up on anything.
Good Luck!


I got my TO the week before Christmas too.
You appear to be just a few steps ahead of me. I just found out today that I qualify for the GS-5 level as well. Other than the background check, CASS says that everything else is completed. I have not been contacted at all for any background check stuff yet though.

[JamaicanLP]

I got my TO the week before Christmas too.
You appear to be just a few steps ahead of me. I just found out today that I qualify for the GS-5 level as well. Other than the background check, CASS says that everything else is completed. I have not been contacted at all for any background check stuff yet though.


I just received my TO letter and the application package last week....do you know if the VBT & or anything in the process will be in my area or will i have to go back to the west coast? reason i ask is b/c i live in Atlanta.

[jth1999]

I just received my TO letter and the application package last week....do you know if the VBT & or anything in the process will be in my area or will i have to go back to the west coast? reason i ask is b/c i live in Atlanta.



where did you have to go to take the written test?
I can't imagine that they would send you to the west coast for the VBT. That would be CRAZY! :eek:
All of my pre-employment steps were in my local metro area.
If they try to send you back to the west cost, I would recommend calling the hiring center and asking if you can make different arrangements.

[JamaicanLP]

where did you have to go to take the written test?
I can't imagine that they would send you to the west coast for the VBT. That would be CRAZY! :eek:
All of my pre-employment steps were in my local metro area.
If they try to send you back to the west cost, I would recommend calling the hiring center and asking if you can make different arrangements.


At the time i took the pre-qualifying test ...i was notified that the only place available was Southwest Border.So i went there for my written.It wasnt to bad ....it was first time to the west coast....and i'm looking to get out of Georgia anyway......Thanks for your info.

[Jigzacura]

I took the test on 02/06/07 and received the test results a week later. I wonder when the TO's will be going out for the 2007 test takers. I got an 82, a little disappointing for me but i still have hope. Has anyone with this score or lower received a TO letter? My duty locations are Miami, and any other loc in Florida.

[mjcek]

does anyone know if there is a height/weight/BMI chart online anywhere for CBPO applicants?

[erivera]

Does anyone knows how strick they are on the background? I got fired from a job and I hope it does not affect me.

[RCS]

Does anyone know how to add a location, I selected two when I signed up for the test and would like to add a third one if possible. Also does anyone know where I can find find a copy of the location codes? Thanks in advance.

[Bullitt107]

Check out this latest blurb from NTEU http://cbpunion.org/LEO/LEO.aspx

[Jigzacura]

Check out this latest blurb from NTEU http://cbpunion.org/LEO/LEO.aspx

If CBP officers were to get 6c retirement, my guess is that the CBPO position would be even more extremely competitive. I hope I get in soon! lol.

[Sajahi]

Hi everone,
Quick question, I am in the hiring process, for CBP and I had access to CASS for the first month, then my file never existed and I could never access it again? But a bit later my background investigation started, as well as my medical. My question is, does anyone have a phone number where I can contact someone to fix the error with CASS? thanks.

[zeit_geist]

Does anyone know what "early consideration" means exactly? Is it early consideration for test writing or selection? Minnesota is on top 3 pick for locations so just wondering how to interpret it. Any present CBP's know anything about these northern postings? Good, bad or indifferent? Thanks!

"Early Consideration: Early consideration will be given to applicants who register for the written test by January 26, 2007 for referral for positions located in Alaska, California, Minnesota, Montana, North Dakota and Washington (state). "

[Jigzacura]

"Early Consideration: Early consideration will be given to applicants who register for the written test by January 26, 2007 for referral for positions located in Alaska, California, Minnesota, Montana, North Dakota and Washington (state). "

From reading this, it seems that it is an early consideration for selection.

[ept_andy]

I received my results yesterday, took the exam back on 2/14/07. Scored an 89. How long does the regular process take? Is it all within the year or so? My score expires 3/08 as per the letter. Is it faster because of the locations I chose or will it delay it even more? I chose NM and SW-Texas. I live in El Paso and the Metro area would be ideal for me.

[qixfeet]

Does anyone know what CBP officers do at the Naval Weapons station in Newport News VA?

[CBPSDJohn]

"Does anyone know what CBP officers do at the Naval Weapons station in Newport News VA?"
Not sure about that specific base, but we as CBP Officers many times go onto military bases to clear(process) returning military from overseas. This includes but is not limited to-paperwork, collecting fees, x raying items and also arresting people on outstanding warrants, etc.

[qixfeet]

Thanks for the info CBPSDJohn.

[NYSPGreg]

so have we yet to determine what is the CBP test out of??? is it out of 100?

[Fenito]

Hey guys, I took the assessment 2/09/07, results came back with an 89 and I just received my tentative offer packet 3/9/07. My tentative offer is for a position in Virginia (I selected NC, SC and VA). Does anyone know if it's possible to change my qualification to a GS-7 if I meet the requirements. I didn't read all of the requirements when I initially applied and have been notified by several coworkers that we qualify for the GS-7 position. I work for TSA and have done so for almost 5 years. I understand that this can qualify me for the GS-7 position. I understand that I may not be offered a GS-7 position but I also don't want to sell myself short if I am able to start in a higher pay band. Thanks in advance for anyone who helps. This site has been a great help so far.

[mjcek]

so have we yet to determine what is the CBP test out of??? is it out of 100?


it's out of 100...

but with vet points your score can go over 100

[sierra164]

i got some bad news in the mail today. i have passed every step along the way towards getting hired as a cbp officer, and was about halfway through my background check. however, in december, they notified me that my uncorrected vision was 20/200. i went to my eye doctor, and they told me that i was 20/100, thus meeting the standard. they JUST sent me a letter telling me that was not good enough, and my tentative offer was cancelled. what happens now? if i get lasik, and wait three months as they specify, can i jump in, or do i have to start all over again? please shed some light for me, i'm freaking out. this process has already taken a year. thank you.

[zeit_geist]

"Hey guys, I took the assessment 2/09/07, results came back with an 89 and I just received my tentative offer packet 3/9/07"
Are you saying that you recieved a tentative offer before doing a medical, physical test and VBT? Did they arrive at the same time? I had the impression that you must complete these tests before an offer is made. Is it because you are a TSA?

[Fenito]

I have not done the medical, fitness or VBT yet. The letter that comes with the packet states a location of offering (like mine says Virginia) and that once I complete the packet and is turned in/processed, I should receive a letter within 6 weeks stating when and where my VBT will be taken. I am almost finished with the packet. I just have my fingerprints and some loose ends to tie up with employment history. If anyone else has info on my question from earlier please feel free to offer. Thanks again.

[Jigzacura]

You took the test in Feb of this year and already received a TO letter/packet? I took the test on 02/05 but for florida locations. I hope that it is as quick as yours.

[qixfeet]

i got some bad news in the mail today. i have passed every step along the way towards getting hired as a cbp officer, and was about halfway through my background check. however, in december, they notified me that my uncorrected vision was 20/200. i went to my eye doctor, and they told me that i was 20/100, thus meeting the standard. they JUST sent me a letter telling me that was not good enough, and my tentative offer was cancelled. what happens now? if i get lasik, and wait three months as they specify, can i jump in, or do i have to start all over again? please shed some light for me, i'm freaking out. this process has already taken a year. thank you.


Did they pass you in CASS and then send you a letter?

[sierra164]

Did they pass you in CASS and then send you a letter?

Since I got my letter from medical, I can no longer log into CASS. I've been calling both of the numbers I have in Minneapolis, but haven't gotten a call back.
I don't know what to do from here.
Thanks for replying.

[Jigzacura]

Sierra,
I am so sorry to hear what happened. When I read your post earlier this week all I could do was shake my head. I hope that you can beat the system and jump right back into the process. Do you feel that your vision is really that bad? I wear glasses but I don't even remember what my vision is. Is 20/100 really bad? Can you see people's faces that are a couple feet in front of you without eyeglasses or contacts?


Also, has anyone else received a TO letter that took the test recently 07?

[sierra164]

Thanks.
Medical told me that corrective eye surgery was the only way to pass the vision requirements in my case, so I've started looking for a doctor. I've been playing phone tag with people at the hiring center about how I can continue the process when the surgery gets done. There is a three month wait after surgery before you can get hired, so I hope maybe they can finish my background check during that time. Of course, they rescinded my COE, so it may not be that simple.
Hurry up and wait...

[jth1999]

"Hey guys, I took the assessment 2/09/07, results came back with an 89 and I just received my tentative offer packet 3/9/07"
Are you saying that you recieved a tentative offer before doing a medical, physical test and VBT? Did they arrive at the same time? I had the impression that you must complete these tests before an offer is made. Is it because you are a TSA?


I felt that my history with this can answer your question with how they appear to be sending out TO's

I took the written test in April of 2006 and scored an 88. I'm looking to work in the MN region. After 8 months of waiting I got my TO letter the 3rd week of Dec. In Jan and Feb of 07 I did the physical, Fitness, Drug, and VBT tests. I'm waiting now to hear back on my background check. CASS just says that my case is in the security office. The FAQ with my login to CASS says that the background takes at least 4-6 months from the time that they get that mountain of forms that I had to fill out.
I really don't know what's better.
Filing my income taxes or filling out the SF-86!!!

By the way, is there anyone out there that works at the port in Duluth, MN?
I'm wondering if there is a seaport located there too and not just the the airport.
Anyone else that has worked or does work at any of the MN locations, please share some of your experiences with me. I'm curious to hear about your daily activites.

Finally, has anyone received a final offer for a position in MN lately? If so, how many locations did your FO offer you?
Thank you in advance.

[Fenito]

Just an update guys. I was scheduled today to take a physical and fitness test at a local medical office in greensboro, nc. I'm done filling out the SF-86 minus the fingerprints which I will get done on tuesday, i hope. Hopefully all goes well with the physical and fitness and then I can get the drug and VBT scheduled and then wait for an offer , another hopefully. Good luck to everyone else applying. If anyone out there works in VA what are the various duty locations that you can receive and are you given a choice or told where to go? Also if anyone has a reply about being qualified for GS-7 but paperwork says for GS-5, is that something that can be taken care of before going through this process or am I stuck?

Thanks for any input.

[bigblue8081]

Just an update guys. I was scheduled today to take a physical and fitness test at a local medical office in greensboro, nc. I'm done filling out the SF-86 minus the fingerprints which I will get done on tuesday, i hope. Hopefully all goes well with the physical and fitness and then I can get the drug and VBT scheduled and then wait for an offer , another hopefully. Good luck to everyone else applying. If anyone out there works in VA what are the various duty locations that you can receive and are you given a choice or told where to go? Also if anyone has a reply about being qualified for GS-7 but paperwork says for GS-5, is that something that can be taken care of before going through this process or am I stuck?

Thanks for any input.
I am a CBPO @ jfk NY are u sure thats a TO ive never heard of a TO before u qualify for the job (as far as med./ drug screening is concerned) I waited 2+ years to get called, and that was after i spoke to someone over the phonewho told me i got the job way after medical and everything i even had to do a self recertifacation on my medical. that seems quick. check CASS to see if everything is passed or pending.

also i didnt read all posts 10 pgs to much. they hire by locality first then score... in other words i apply in ny(very busy) and score a 72 you apply for wischestertofieldville iowa (the middle of no place with a port open 2 hours a day for 1 flight maned by 5 officers) and score 95 i can get called before u b/c those 5 dinosours wont quit/retire/die got it


As far as TSA is concerned i got 1 day seniority on the non prior federal employees and i applied for gs-5 and @ time of appointment qualified for gs-7 it didnt mean a thing u can try (god knows i did) but look at their side u say no to the gs-5 the next guy will say yes. hope i helped ;)

[Jigzacura]

From my reading I was under the impression that after the test, if selected you receive a TO letter. Then you continue on with the VBT, Physical, medical, BI etc. Most people (again this is from reading posts on here and other forums) receive their TO then begin the process. Can someone clarify this?

P.S. I find it amazing that Fenito took the test in February this year and received a TO letter in March of this year. I guess it must have something to do with his duty location choice and score.

*Edit* I reread his original post and realized he also works for TSA for almost 5 years. That could be the icing on the cake.

Shane

[NYSPGreg]

From my reading I was under the impression that after the test, if selected you receive a TO letter. Then you continue on with the VBT, Physical, medical, BI etc. Most people (again this is from reading posts on here and other forums) receive their TO then begin the process. Can someone clarify this?

P.S. I find it amazing that Fenito took the test in February this year and received a TO letter in March of this year. I guess it must have something to do with his duty location choice and score.

*Edit* I reread his original post and realized he also works for TSA for almost 5 years. That could be the icing on the cake.

Shane

TSA don't mean jack!!! it won't speed up the process nor give special privileges.

[Fenito]

I realize TSA isn't anything special nor did I ask to receive special privileges. I was simply asking for any light to be shed upon qualifying for GS-7 over GS-5. Most of my co-workers qualified for GS-7 and that's why I asked. I just happened to not read into the questions and I guess I shot myself in the foot. A mistake that I will have to deal with when the time comes. But yes I took the assessment on 2/9/07, and received my TO packet (actually it says tentative selection so I guess that my be different), friday of last week. Sorry if I misinterpreted the information. I logged into the EQIP system to fill out my application but I haven't been able to get by a local office to get fingerprints done. Our office only uses the electronic fingerprints so I am going to have to check with either another local DHS office or just wait until tuesday and have the local PD office do them. CASS currently shows everything pending. Thanks again for info guys.

[bigblue8081]

my bad TO i think is correct but that doesnt mean anything about getting the job. first u gotta jump through hoops. like i said before ur tsa time counts twd retirement depending on age me 35 years and 57 age and you will get 1 day seniority on the others in ur port that start the same day that is all and when u get the job try not to mention tsa ppl laugh at tsa

[NYSPGreg]

my bad TO i think is correct but that doesnt mean anything about getting the job. first u gotta jump through hoops. like i said before ur tsa time counts twd retirement depending on age me 35 years and 57 age and you will get 1 day seniority on the others in ur port that start the same day that is all and when u get the job try not to mention tsa ppl laugh at tsa

ya know!!! the hiring standards of TSA is a freaking joke. thats why half the 50 ppl who took the CBPO test when I took it on the 27th of feb were all TSA folks from laguardia and kennedy. I even heard some of em taking the DSNY civil service test they are so desperate to leave TSA

[Fenito]

I'm not looking for seniority per se. I'm looking more for starting out at higher pay. My tentative selection letter says VA so I'm not too thrilled about shooting myself in the foot with the GS-5 deal and trying to accept a position in Northern VA. I'm sure I could take the job, and just live 45mins to an hour away from work. I could maybe afford it then. But taking GS-5 would mean taking a paycut from what I'm currently making. A coworker of mine just got his VBT scheduled. He also is waiting on a call back from someone in the hiring center about filling out the SF-86 again since we are already in the system and have the clearance that is required for the officer position. Does anyone know if being in the system helps as far as paperwork goes? Thanks

[NYSPGreg]

I'm not looking for seniority per se. I'm looking more for starting out at higher pay. My tentative selection letter says VA so I'm not too thrilled about shooting myself in the foot with the GS-5 deal and trying to accept a position in Northern VA. I'm sure I could take the job, and just live 45mins to an hour away from work. I could maybe afford it then. But taking GS-5 would mean taking a paycut from what I'm currently making. A coworker of mine just got his VBT scheduled. He also is waiting on a call back from someone in the hiring center about filling out the SF-86 again since we are already in the system and have the clearance that is required for the officer position. Does anyone know if being in the system helps as far as paperwork goes? Thanks

from what I know and have seen the TSA and CBP standards ARE NOT the same. and from my own experience it doesn't matter whether you're on the system or not, the hiring agency will investigate you like any candidate. I come from a good military background with an active secret security clearance (investigated and granted by OPM mind you) and I still had to go thru the same bull**** hoops before getting hired by the dept of treasury.

your background, as already previously stated, only helps with your FERS retirement, leave, sick time and seniority that will all carry over... don't expect the job being handed to you simply because you have TSA experience

[bigblue8081]

I'm not looking for seniority per se. I'm looking more for starting out at higher pay. My tentative selection letter says VA so I'm not too thrilled about shooting myself in the foot with the GS-5 deal and trying to accept a position in Northern VA. I'm sure I could take the job, and just live 45mins to an hour away from work. I could maybe afford it then. But taking GS-5 would mean taking a paycut from what I'm currently making. A coworker of mine just got his VBT scheduled. He also is waiting on a call back from someone in the hiring center about filling out the SF-86 again since we are already in the system and have the clearance that is required for the officer position. Does anyone know if being in the system helps as far as paperwork goes? Thanks

tsa has a lower clearance than cbp
all of the paperwork needs to be done again nothing carries over
are u a lead, sup or screener?
i worked tsa b4 cbp and was investigated by cbp all over again tsa background was a joke u know that mine was completed 6-7 months after i was on the job figure that one out u will be investigated again!

[Fenito]

I started out as a lead, dropped down to a screener and went part time to go back to school. Were you with TSA back when NCS Pearson was running the backgrounds and interviews? Thanks for clearing up the security clearance issue. I don't mind going through a background again. Thanks for all the info guys.

[bigblue8081]

I started out as a lead, dropped down to a screener and went part time to go back to school. Were you with TSA back when NCS Pearson was running the backgrounds and interviews? Thanks for clearing up the security clearance issue. I don't mind going through a background again. Thanks for all the info guys.
i dont remember who did background i started in 2003
are u sure u qualify for gs7 there may be a problem b/c ur not a full time employee and u were a screener

[Fenito]

I started training Aug 2002, and back then NCS pearson was pushing people through like a McDonalds drive thru order. I think that's where alot of those TSA felons came from. Anyways, Most of my co-workers that applied qualified for GS-7 and all were part-time TSOs. I didn't think part-time or full-time made a difference. We still have the same responsibilities and training. Plus because of my time in service and raises, taking the GS-5 position would actually be a paycut from what I currently make. It could just be that my coworkers put the info in wrong or read the qualifications wrong. I'm gonna call the hiring center in MN tomorrow and see if I can find out any answers. Of about the 10 coworkers of mine that have put in for this position only the two of us who put VA as a duty location have heard anything back. But there are a few that took the test a couple of weeks after we did. Good luck to all who have applied. Here's hoping I pass my fitness and medical test wed.

[erivera]

How will I know if I pass my background investigation? The CASS says it has been completed but it does not state if I pass the background or not. I also got a letter that if they offer me a job before my background is complete and if I can not clear my background I will be terminated. I rather know that I pass my background before accepting a position.

[erivera]

Is it true that if you fail one test in the academy they will outomatically kick you out?

just thinks that I hear.

[ArmouredSainT]

When I was there years ago, if you fail one you get a retest. If you fail the retest you are out. Unfortunately, if you fail and then pass the retest, you cannot fail anymore test. There will be no retest, you are just s.o.l.. :(