CBP officer

[merlin436]

Maybe you should ask Merlin or someone who has been around, but it would be interesting to find out how many CBP officers can begin training at FLETC per month. How many do they train a year? What are the training numbers for this year?


It'll all depend. Sometimes other agencies have greater need for FLETC space. Sometimes things go well for CBP and they end up hiring fewer replacements than expected.

2 classes of 48 per week during a good stretch. Roughly 350-400 per month.
Depending on the numbers of new hires, 2300-2500 trainees is not really a stretch. This year they're only hiring 85 NEW officers, as far as I know, so numbers should be well below that. I'm guessing 1800-2000 by the end of the next FY.

[Burrell707]

It'll all depend. Sometimes other agencies have greater need for FLETC space. Sometimes things go well for CBP and they end up hiring fewer replacements than expected.

2 classes of 48 per week during a good stretch. Roughly 350-400 per month.
Depending on the numbers of new hires, 2300-2500 trainees is not really a stretch. This year they're only hiring 85 NEW officers, as far as I know, so numbers should be well below that. I'm guessing 1800-2000 by the end of the next FY. I had a question. What does that mean when you say 85 NEW officers? Does that mean that only 85 calls are going out this year? Thanks for the help!

[merlin436]

I had a question. What does that mean when you say 85 NEW officers? Does that mean that only 85 calls are going out this year? Thanks for the help!


It means that Uncle Sugar is funding 85 new and additional positions. In other words, The total population of CBPO's will grow by 85 next year.


There are 20,000+ CBPO's currently. The last attrition number I have seen was 8.9% That should mean that CBP is looking to hire roughly 1950 new people over the course of this year. Since the academy has become more difficult recently, and since there are still new hires who seem to have spent the majority of their pre-hire time sitting on the couch stuffing Cheeto's in their maw, I would expect that there will be a significant and growing number of academy failures. As far as working CBPO's go, who knows what that attrition rate will be 6 months down the road. There are rumors of a GS-12 upgrade in the works that'll supposedly hit early next year. If things turn out to be true and an upgrade does happen, I'd expect the attrition rate to drop sharply for awhile, at least for 90 days to the point where people start to lock in GS-12 money and upward to a year when people start to lock in the GS-12 grade.

[kearney3]

FYI I jus read on the CBP website that the final ruling on the GS12 upgrade was denied and that the requirements/ standards will stay the same, this is off of the CBP employee website:

The Office of Personnel Management (OPM) is withdrawing the final rule, titled Time-in-Grade Elimination, published in the Federal Register on November 7, 2008. After carefully considering all of the comments OPM has determined that it would be more productive to consider the merits of the time-in-grade issue as part of a more comprehensive review of pay, performance, and staffing issues than to regulate this particular issue in piecemeal fashion. This means that the time-in-grade rules remain in effect.

[CBPhOpeful]

Hey all,
Well I'm pretty bummed out, just received a letter from MHC saying that I am unsuitable because of hearing loss in my left ear. Can't believe I waited 8 months and passed everything else and this is what held me up. The letter states that the position requires an individual to have EXCELLENT hearing in both ears. It also states that I can request a waiver but that I must explain how my hearing has not affected me during similar job duties. Only problem is, I have no LEO experience, I was a bartender for five years. I never had a problem taking multiple drink orders when the bar was loud etc. Anyways, I was just wondering if anyone can give some advice on how I could go about this, or do I just need to cut my losses. Any advice is much appreciated. I have 14 days to submit a letter requesting a medical waiver.

[Twoisone]

Hey all,
Well I'm pretty bummed out, just received a letter from MHC saying that I am unsuitable because of hearing loss in my left ear. Can't believe I waited 8 months and passed everything else and this is what held me up. The letter states that the position requires an individual to have EXCELLENT hearing in both ears. It also states that I can request a waiver but that I must explain how my hearing has not affected me during similar job duties. Only problem is, I have no LEO experience, I was a bartender for five years. I never had a problem taking multiple drink orders when the bar was loud etc. Anyways, I was just wondering if anyone can give some advice on how I could go about this, or do I just need to cut my losses. Any advice is much appreciated. I have 14 days to submit a letter requesting a medical waiver.

This is only one instance where your writing skills will be called upon to further your career. My advice: submit the waiver. Be sure to draw the nexus between working in a past high-stress environment (a crowded, loud bar), and that your hearing in this type of environment did not hinder your ability to get the job done. Include that this type of environment was encountered frequently, and that you were able to meet and exceed the challenges of such a fast-paced environment. ALOT will depend on how you are able to articulate yourself, so proofread and then re-proofread your work! Make sure to let us know how you fared....

[qixfeet]

FYI I jus read on the CBP website that the final ruling on the GS12 upgrade was denied and that the requirements/ standards will stay the same, this is off of the CBP employee website:

The Office of Personnel Management (OPM) is withdrawing the final rule, titled Time-in-Grade Elimination, published in the Federal Register on November 7, 2008. After carefully considering all of the comments OPM has determined that it would be more productive to consider the merits of the time-in-grade issue as part of a more comprehensive review of pay, performance, and staffing issues than to regulate this particular issue in piecemeal fashion. This means that the time-in-grade rules remain in effect.

That has nothing to do with the possibility of GS-12 (although I'll beleive it when I see it on my SF-50) Final rule was about time in grade. Meaning you need to have 52 weeks in a grade before you are able to promote.

[biggdawgdaddy]

FYI I jus read on the CBP website that the final ruling on the GS12 upgrade was denied and that the requirements/ standards will stay the same, this is off of the CBP employee website:

The Office of Personnel Management (OPM) is withdrawing the final rule, titled Time-in-Grade Elimination, published in the Federal Register on November 7, 2008. After carefully considering all of the comments OPM has determined that it would be more productive to consider the merits of the time-in-grade issue as part of a more comprehensive review of pay, performance, and staffing issues than to regulate this particular issue in piecemeal fashion. This means that the time-in-grade rules remain in effect.

That is the "time in grade" requirements of 1 year in the grade before you can promote to the next higher level. Has nothing to do with the grade determination of the CBPO job. This means that you can not apply for a GS13 Chief job, before spending a year as a GS12 Sup.

[ExRebel]

Hey all,
Well I'm pretty bummed out, just received a letter from MHC saying that I am unsuitable because of hearing loss in my left ear. Can't believe I waited 8 months and passed everything else and this is what held me up. The letter states that the position requires an individual to have EXCELLENT hearing in both ears. It also states that I can request a waiver but that I must explain how my hearing has not affected me during similar job duties. Only problem is, I have no LEO experience, I was a bartender for five years. I never had a problem taking multiple drink orders when the bar was loud etc. Anyways, I was just wondering if anyone can give some advice on how I could go about this, or do I just need to cut my losses. Any advice is much appreciated. I have 14 days to submit a letter requesting a medical waiver.

Is this the first letter you've gotten about your hearing? Or is this letter in regards to a medical that was once passed. I had gotten a letter similar once, but they made me go to a audiologist.

[nordy racer]

That has nothing to do with the possibility of GS-12 (although I'll beleive it when I see it on my SF-50) Final rule was about time in grade. Meaning you need to have 52 weeks in a grade before you are able to promote.

i think it's still a go. it's all the talk around my port.. i saw a letter from the union giving a time breakdown.. it's look like mid next year hopefully..

[kearney3]

[QUOTE=biggdawgdaddy;1952558]That is the "time in grade" requirements of 1 year in the grade before you can promote to the next higher level. Has nothing to do with the grade determination of the CBPO job. This means that you can not apply for a GS13 Chief job, before spending a year as a GS12 Sup.[/QUOTE
Oh Ok. Thats good to know. I was not sure.:confused:

[koalica]

can't access cass right now...anyone else having this issue?

[robeans]

i think it's still a go. it's all the talk around my port.. i saw a letter from the union giving a time breakdown.. it's look like mid next year hopefully..

It be comin soon! Sitting around between boats yesterday and the 13 came around asking us what we thought of it. He was toying with us as I'm sure he'd seen/heard something.

BTW he also said, from an official source from the mother ship that expect to were going to be acting a lot more like our green brother and sisters.

And by green, look at the color of our sister agency's uniform.

Just sayin.

Also, for any Star Wars fans and future seaport workers out there, I saw a boat named the Millennium Falcon today, no kidding.

[verbalkint4]

Also, for any Star Wars fans and future seaport workers out there, I saw a boat named the Millennium Falcon today, no kidding.

That boat comes into my port. A couple of years ago I pulled up next to it while doing pier sweeps and asked the gangway watch over the PA if I could get a ride to the Degobah system. Oddly enough, the guy had no idea what I was talking about.

[casey3]

My EOD date for S.F. is August 31. I just want to know what kind of schedule I am looking at for my pre-academy at S.F. On my first day, I am to report to the customs building in S.F. However from there on after, until I leave for fletc on September 16th, where will I spend my time…airport or customs building? I am just trying to figure out a schedule for my family.

[TuffStuffCBP]

My EOD date for S.F. is August 31.

Hell yea - Congrats

[girly]

Well I got my letter stating that I failed my fitness test, I am thinking from what I read that my to is being removed and that when I am ready to do my fitness test again it says for me to call or email them that I am ready to reapply. So from my understanding I will not have to take the test again just get ready, email them, wait for a new TO and redo my fitness test then I should be good to go. Does anyone have any insight on this?

And I am still in cass....

[biggdawgdaddy]

Well I got my letter stating that I failed my fitness test, I am thinking from what I read that my to is being removed and that when I am ready to do my fitness test again it says for me to call or email them that I am ready to reapply. So from my understanding I will not have to take the test again just get ready, email them, wait for a new TO and redo my fitness test then I should be good to go. Does anyone have any insight on this?

And I am still in cass....

That will be correct, if your test does not expire before the next open announcement.

[E.TXCBPO]

Hey TXCBP I've been in TSU since 12/23/08 for E. Texas. We might get a call around the same time.

[ExRebel]

http://www.calinst.org/pubs/Budget2010.pdf

On page 6 of this article it says only 65 new CBP officers of FY 2010. It's so frustrating to read this because I've also read on other articles that the government plans to hire 400+ new CBP officers and then on another one only 80 new officers. Does anybody know where to get true reliable info these days.

[ExRebel]

http://www.iaem.com/committees/GovernmentAffairs/documents/DHSBudgetinBriefFY2010.pdf

On page 15, I read the same thing here. Does this mean most of us aren't gonna get a call.

[merlin436]

20 CBPOs more over and above those 65 new officers are supposed to be hired under the Air Cargo and Cargo Container Security section of the budget.

Where did you read of 400 potential new hires? That's news to me.

[merlin436]

That has nothing to do with the possibility of GS-12 (although I'll beleive it when I see it on my SF-50)

I too will believe it when I see it.

On the other hand, for potential new hires, the rumors of a possible upgrade to GS-12 can only hurt them hiring chances wise, IMO. Lots of guys will stick around at least for few more months if there's a possibility of 12's coming in the new year.

[TXCBP]

Hey TXCBP I've been in TSU since 12/23/08 for E. Texas. We might get a call around the same time.

Oh cool!! Ya I'm hoping we get one soon, I'm so ready to get going!! I wonder if we have some of the oldest TSU dates for E. Texas.

[merlin436]

BTW he also said, from an official source from the mother ship that expect to were going to be acting a lot more like our green brother and sisters.

And by green, look at the color of our sister agency's uniform.

Just sayin.




That's another thing I'll believe when I see it.

Not that it would be a bad thing...but it sure would take a huge change of mindset on so many different levels.

[qixfeet]

That's another thing I'll believe when I see it.

Not that it would be a bad thing...but it sure would take a huge change of mindset on so many different levels.

Yup! What he said!

[Helo]

That boat comes into my port. A couple of years ago I pulled up next to it while doing pier sweeps and asked the gangway watch over the PA if I could get a ride to the Degobah system.

That's freakin' hilarious.

[CBPhOpeful]

Twoisone,

I truly appreciate your advice. I am going to write MHC and hope for the best.

ExRebel,
I did not pass the initial hearing test and so they sent me a letter saying I must see an audiologist. 1 1/2 months later I receive another letter from MHC stating I am unsuitable because of my left ear hearing loss. However, I can request a waiver but MUST explain how my hearing has not affected previous law enforcement jobs where I would have carried a firearm. Unfortunately, I do not have the law enforcement experience and must illustrate that my hearing loss never bothered me the 5 years of working in loud bars.

[kc12]

I looked through the budget request for CBP for fiscal 2010 (it has 3400 pages). I did not see anywhere where CBP asked for money to provide GS-12's for journeymen. I also did not see a decrease in the projected number of GS-11's with a corresponding increase in the number of GS-12's. With that said, the Senate did approve a higher than requested budget for CBP in the salary/expense category.

[tsawille]

Hey all,
Well I'm pretty bummed out, just received a letter from MHC saying that I am unsuitable because of hearing loss in my left ear. Can't believe I waited 8 months and passed everything else and this is what held me up. The letter states that the position requires an individual to have EXCELLENT hearing in both ears. It also states that I can request a waiver but that I must explain how my hearing has not affected me during similar job duties. Only problem is, I have no LEO experience, I was a bartender for five years. I never had a problem taking multiple drink orders when the bar was loud etc. Anyways, I was just wondering if anyone can give some advice on how I could go about this, or do I just need to cut my losses. Any advice is much appreciated. I have 14 days to submit a letter requesting a medical waiver.
Dont let this stop you. I have moderatly sever hearing loss in one ear and moderate loss in the other. I had to jump thru hoops but ended up clear because the hearing loss is only at high frequency. I had to take a total of five hearing tests, four on my dime but as of 07/14/09 I am TSU for Minneapolis

[ExRebel]

Twoisone,

I truly appreciate your advice. I am going to write MHC and hope for the best.

ExRebel,
I did not pass the initial hearing test and so they sent me a letter saying I must see an audiologist. 1 1/2 months later I receive another letter from MHC stating I am unsuitable because of my left ear hearing loss. However, I can request a waiver but MUST explain how my hearing has not affected previous law enforcement jobs where I would have carried a firearm. Unfortunately, I do not have the law enforcement experience and must illustrate that my hearing loss never bothered me the 5 years of working in loud bars.

Just like TSAWille I first got denied because because of hearing loss. I'm 28, and they said I had the hearing of a 70 year old in my left ear. My right ear isn't much better either. It turns out that all that damage was from years of shooting guns with no ear protection. I had no idea that I had damaged hearing until I went in for the medical test. I began writing a letter requesting a waiver because it had never effected me. I also work in a loud restaurant.... long story short fight fight fight until they tell you you're done.

[delvalle242]

Hello, good to know that there is someone from Isla del Encanto. Where from in PR? I'm from Rincon.

[Ivylaw77]

Customs and Border Protection

The Budget proposes $7,623,068,000 in FY10 funding, of which $3,226,000 is to be derived from the Harbor Maintenance Trust Fund. Funding is roughly the same as last year’s request. The Budget funds $45 million for the expansion of an exit pilot at key land ports of entry and other border security priorities. Funding of $368 million within existing Customs and Border Protection funds support 20,000 Border Patrol agents protecting nearly 6,000 miles of U.S. borders.

Under the heading of “Combating Southbound Firearms and Currency Smuggling,” the administration proposes an increase of $26.1 million to enhance DHS’ capability to combat southbound firearms and currency smuggling through additional personnel at and between the ports of entry and along the southwestern US border. The funding is intended to support an additional 44 Border Patrol agents and 8 support staff as well as 65 Customs and Border Protection officers and 8 support staff. It also notes that resources are also requested to expand and maintain the Licensed Plate Reader (LPR) program to help establish and maintain effective control of the border. Additionally Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) requests an additional $70 million to hire 349 positions (specifically Special Agents, Intelligence Analysts, and Criminal Investigators) to increase enforcement staffing, improve cooperative efforts with the Mexican government, and establish another Border Violence Intelligence Cell.

[Ivylaw77]

Hello, good to know that there is someone from Isla del Encanto. Where from in PR? I'm from Rincon.

Hi
I'm from Trujillo Alto, and I waiting for a CBPO position throughout Arizona. :)

[Buckeye23]

Thought someone else might come across this so I'll let you all in on it... I was temporarily medically denied for the program because I noted on my form that when I was in middle school I went to a psych for ADD. I was only medicated for a month as a trial, which didn't work and have never had any issues through the rest of my schooling or employment history. Received something in the mail telling me that I had to have a psych evaluation at my expense and a lot of paperwork that the psych had to fill out. I'm sure that it will all come out ok in the wash but another example of getting booted, and hopefully in the end getting back in.

[Sakic]

Thought someone else might come across this so I'll let you all in on it... I was temporarily medically denied for the program because I noted on my form that when I was in middle school I went to a psych for ADD. I was only medicated for a month as a trial, which didn't work and have never had any issues through the rest of my schooling or employment history. Received something in the mail telling me that I had to have a psych evaluation at my expense and a lot of paperwork that the psych had to fill out. I'm sure that it will all come out ok in the wash but another example of getting booted, and hopefully in the end getting back in.

It's crazy how childhood things are disqualifiers. People with childhood asthma have to see a Pulmonologist. I stated that I visit a chiropractor. I had to go see an orthopedic surgeon. He basically laughed when I told him why I was there. Easiest $400 bucks he ever made. Thankfully it only cost me my $15 copay.

[Chuckb88]

Just called TSU today for buffalo, ny. Still no vacancies. Any more news on possible hiring in sept for people to be ready for the new academy requirements beginning in oct?

[cbp14051]

Checked my score from the BPA exam last week. Scored an 88. So the waiting game begins for that process now. Hopefully there will be hiring in September for Buffalo, but we shall see. What is your TSU date?

[anthony30]

how did you check your bp scores.. mail or cass? just took it today for buffalo sector..

[cbp14051]

how did you check your bp scores.. mail or cass? just took it today for buffalo sector..

You can google USA Application Manager. Once you log in, you will be able to view the status of any federal job you have applied for through usajobs.gov. It's different than CASS, as this is only available once you receive a T.O.

[anthony30]

Thank you for the info..

[Chuckb88]

Checked my score from the BPA exam last week. Scored an 88. So the waiting game begins for that process now. Hopefully there will be hiring in September for Buffalo, but we shall see. What is your TSU date?

6/29 it'll be my 60 day anniversary this saturday. It looks like your a month ahead of me though so im guessing i wont be hearing anything anytime soon. Are you taking the UB police test? You can start signing up for it on their website aug 30th.

[barnaj]

Just an update for you guys. I received a nopa and responded in January. My case is still in the security office. I'm not really expecting a response anytime soon, just waiting and not worrying about it. BTW, she called me in april and said to call her in a month, she said they are working on it. I'm thinking that if they were going to dq me they would have done it already. I guess this is how the government works, oh well.

Yeah its easier said than done, but you gotta try and be positive. I think the same way you do. You think that it COULD take 8 months to clear someone off a NOPA, but SHOULDNT take 8 months for a dq. Just keep on checking CASS. Ive talked to a few dudes who got NOPA's and never heard from anyone and just cleared in CASS one day.

[gsa85]

Still waiting for a Tentatitve Offer for WA - All Other Locations. Would it do any good to call the hiring center? Last time I called the lady gave me attitude so I've been hesitant to call back.

[delvalle242]

Hi
I'm from Trujillo Alto, and I waiting for a CBPO position throughout Arizona. :)

My GEO is at Laredo but hoping for Puerto Rico with God;s help. Wish you the best.

[delvalle242]

Anyone with a GEO in Laredo, Texas? or maybe Puerto Rico?

[DirtStyx]

Still waiting for a Tentatitve Offer for WA - All Other Locations. Would it do any good to call the hiring center? Last time I called the lady gave me attitude so I've been hesitant to call back.

It seems everything is on some sort of shut-down for the time being. TSU gets more crowded every month. Just keep the faith and keep keepin' on. If you pay too much attention to any sort of timeline, you'll do yourself a serious disservice. A little game that I play to help pass the time and anxiety, is that every time I think about how long it has been, I owe myself 10 push-ups. You'd think that overtime, I'd learn my lesson. As it turns out, I still think about it just as often, but now I can do 5,000 push-ups at time. :D

[DCH]

L-Out-Loud! :D

[Dfrank]

So i'm TSU for dulles 6/9/2009. and i'm sure everyone else is with me in thinking this is the most frustrated experience ever. is there anything that i could do to figure out how long this wait could be. even a ball park?

[TuffStuffCBP]

So i'm TSU for dulles 6/9/2009. and i'm sure everyone else is with me in thinking this is the most frustrated experience ever. is there anything that i could do to figure out how long this wait could be. even a ball park?

Nope, nothing. We are playing a game of musical chairs and somebody forgot to turn the music off.

[Buckeye23]

Just an update for you guys. I received a nopa and responded in January. My case is still in the security office. I'm not really expecting a response anytime soon, just waiting and not worrying about it. BTW, she called me in april and said to call her in a month, she said they are working on it. I'm thinking that if they were going to dq me they would have done it already. I guess this is how the government works, oh well.

Do you know if you are disqualified due to a NOPA can you reapply down the road or are you out for good? I'm sure that I'm going to get a NOPA and am just trying to prepare myself on how to handle it.

[barnaj]

Do you know if you are disqualified due to a NOPA can you reapply down the road or are you out for good? I'm sure that I'm going to get a NOPA and am just trying to prepare myself on how to handle it.

They will normally give you an opportunity to withdraw and if you do then you can apply for other federal positions. If you opt not to, and are found unsuitable, you MAY be debarred from federal employment for UP to 3 years.

[kc12]

They will normally give you an opportunity to withdraw and if you do then you can apply for other federal positions. If you opt not to, and are found unsuitable, you MAY be debarred from federal employment for UP to 3 years.

Although if you are unable to overcome the NOPA, the action(s) leading to the NOPA would probably have been disqualifying for another three years anyway.

[merlin436]

It is very, very, difficult to beat a determination of unsuitability. You are almost most certainly going to be better off putting a few years behind your problems and re-applying later, rather than trying to deal with the original problems plus an unsuitability determination several years down the road.

Generally, if you've the time to wait...and the issue is one like past MJ use years ago where timing is a huge factor, you're just much better off withdrawing, waiting until 10 years have past since last usage, and then re-applying.

[barnaj]

"It is very, very, difficult to beat a determination of unsuitability. You are almost most certainly going to be better off putting a few years behind your problems and re-applying later, rather than trying to deal with the original problems plus an unsuitability determination several years down the road."


Granted most people wouldnt be on forums bragging about being found unsuitable, but it seems many people beat NOPA's. As a matter of fact i havent heard from too many people who answered one and didnt get past it. But like i said, the ones who dont probably just quit posting.

[kenpo1]

I am new to this forum, so I apologize in advance if this question has been asked.
I took my written test in May '09 and passed with a score of 88. I have since gone through all other criteria to join CBP and passed (fitness test, medical exam, VBT, etc.) with the exception of the BI. Just last week, I received a letter from Homeland Security stating I was unsuitable for employment with CBP because of credit issues. I was also told I could appeal this decision.
I did appeal by providing a letter explaining the reason for my poor credit, which is a long story, but related to me losing my job when the economy went sour. I also provided a credit report from a year and a half ago showing my credit history prior to losing my job was excellent, along with recent bankruptcy paperwork to show this debt is about to be discharged.
Can anyone tell me if I can still be rendered suitable for employment after appealing this decision regarding my credit? Has this happened to anyone else?

[barnaj]

I am new to this forum, so I apologize in advance if this question has been asked.
I took my written test in May '09 and passed with a score of 88. I have since gone through all other criteria to join CBP and passed (fitness test, medical exam, VBT, etc.) with the exception of the BI. Just last week, I received a letter from Homeland Security stating I was unsuitable for employment with CBP because of credit issues. I was also told I could appeal this decision.
I did appeal by providing a letter explaining the reason for my poor credit, which is a long story, but related to me losing my job when the economy went sour. I also provided a credit report from a year and a half ago showing my credit history prior to losing my job was excellent, along with recent bankruptcy paperwork to show this debt is about to be discharged.
Can anyone tell me if I can still be rendered suitable for employment after appealing this decision regarding my credit? Has this happened to anyone else?

Dont take it as the gospel, but i believe you will be okay. Credit issues are usually a matter of being irresponsible. In your case it seems it was due to bad luck and unfortunate circumstances. Did you have a face to face with an investigator?

[kenpo1]

I won't hold you to it, but that is good to know. I have not had a face to face with an investigator. All correspondence has been via mail/phone. I don't live anywhere near the hiring center and have had to travel quite a ways just for my written exam and VBT. However, I have not made any attempts to contact an investigator. So far, everything has gone smoothly and fairly quick compared to some of the others I've seen on this site, so I have not had a reason to. The letter of unsuitability I recently received really took me back after all I've gone through to get this far.

[barnaj]

I won't hold you to it, but that is good to know. I have not had a face to face with an investigator. All correspondence has been via mail/phone. I don't live anywhere near the hiring center and have had to travel quite a ways just for my written exam and VBT. However, I have not made any attempts to contact an investigator. So far, everything has gone smoothly and fairly quick compared to some of the others I've seen on this site, so I have not had a reason to. The letter of unsuitability I recently received really took me back after all I've gone through to get this far.

Yeah there is no reason or way for you to call an investigator unless they contact you. The hiring process is not an exact science and seems to be different for everyone. The steps you completed are the quick part. Its the BI and getting hired on after being placed in TSU that hold things up. Aside from that, having hiccups in your BI process will also significantly slow things down. Try and stay positive and just wait to be contacted. And remember, when it comes to the BI, no news is good news!

[merlin436]

Granted most people wouldnt be on forums bragging about being found unsuitable, but it seems many people beat NOPA's. As a matter of fact i havent heard from too many people who answered one and didnt get past it. But like i said, the ones who dont probably just quit posting.

I would agree, most NOPA's are usually beaten.
Then again, some aren't.

The trick is understanding when to give it up, walk away and avoid an unsuitability determination. Many unsuitability determinations are handed out on issues that are likely mitigated by the passage of time, like past drug use. What may be a killer issue today might not be all that insurmountable 5 years from now.

Unsuitable determinations however...will follow a person forever.

[barnaj]

I would agree, most NOPA's are usually beaten.
Then again, some aren't.

The trick is understanding when to give it up, walk away and avoid an unsuitability determination. Many unsuitability determinations are handed out on issues that are likely mitigated by the passage of time, like past drug use. What may be a killer issue today might not be all that insurmountable 5 years from now.

Unsuitable determinations however...will follow a person forever.

I agree with your logic. I believe though that if something is serious enough to warrant an unsuitability today, will probably still be a hang up in 3, 5, even 10 years. I say that if you are youngster, withdraw and try again after college or whatever. But, if your in your 30's for example, i'd just roll the dice and take my chances as you have less time to spend dreaming of the future. Let me ask you this, do you feel that any NOPA that is unlikely to be beaten would be preceeded by a request to withdraw? I know for a fact that not all who recieve NOPA's were previously advised to withdraw.

[kenpo1]

Yeah there is no reason or way for you to call an investigator unless they contact you. The hiring process is not an exact science and seems to be different for everyone. The steps you completed are the quick part. Its the BI and getting hired on after being placed in TSU that hold things up. Aside from that, having hiccups in your BI process will also significantly slow things down. Try and stay positive and just wait to be contacted. And remember, when it comes to the BI, no news is good news!

Thanks so much for the feedback and positive words. Just what I needed.

[merlin436]

I agree with your logic. I believe though that if something is serious enough to warrant an unsuitability today, will probably still be a hang up in 3, 5, even 10 years. I say that if you are youngster, withdraw and try again after college or whatever. But, if your in your 30's for example, i'd just roll the dice and take my chances as you have less time to spend dreaming of the future. Let me ask you this, do you feel that any NOPA that is unlikely to be beaten would be preceeded by a request to withdraw? I know for a fact that not all who recieve NOPA's were previously advised to withdraw.

A lot of moderate MJ use as a teen/early adult tends to become less and less of a deal-breaker after 10 or so years. Same to with one-time minor arrests for violations or low-level misdemeanors. So...what will kill you off quickly at 25 might not be all that hard to beat at 33, depending on the circumstances.
As you said...when age is a factor then it might be worth being more agressive and pushing fate a bit more.

As far as offers to withdraw go, yes, I'll bet that generally people on the quick path to defeat are offered the chance to withdraw. I wouldn't count on it though. It's as much a courtesy as anything else.

[barnaj]

My adjudicator called me in march and said she was sending my file to the supervisors to get the final decision. If my issue is looked at objectively than I should have gotten a dq. I just don't see how it takes 5 months to get my decision. I would hope that they weigh other factors and make a decision based how someone has changed and what they have accomplished since that issue. My issue was light mj use 9 years ago. I should have just lied and I would already be working. My advice to anyone having similar issues is to just lie. They say they want honesty and integrity, but do they really? If I get dq it will show that it is looked at objectively no matter what.

It is supposed to be a "whole life" encompassing decision. It's hard to believe that sometimes, since logic tells you that people focus on the negatives that are on paper and de-emphasize all the good you've done and the good people say about you. It's a very negative society. How many times at work have you come in early, stayed late or excelled and never got recognition? But screw up once or come in late and the crawl up your rear end. I know someone who admitted to drug use 9 yrs ago (never arrested or anything) because they thought honesty was the best policy. Well, they got asked to withdraw without ever getting a face to face interview. Lost their shot at CBPO and BPA in one shot. Not advising lying, but i see why you said what you said.

[barnaj]

And if they think everyone they hire is so perfect they are fools. I guarantee there are many people who lied about far worse things I have done and were hired. I am just a person with a lot of integrity. I want to be honest and hope that it pays off. You are right, society only focuses on the negative no matter all the good things you have done. Maybe I was the fool. Well I'll eventually find out.

Yep. I think that the guy whos been in trouble, admitted it, and paid the price is less likely to try and get away with something than someone who did stuff and never got caught. I dont know, with the amount of people on the "wall of shame", its hard to believe a BI even matters.

[kenpo1]

What does 'TSU' stand for. I obviously am not there yet, but it sounds like it is related to being hired once all stages of the hiring process are complete?

[barnaj]

What does 'TSU' stand for. I obviously am not there yet, but it sounds like it is related to being hired once all stages of the hiring process are complete?

Training and Scheduling Unit. Obviously where they schedule you for training at FLETC.

[kenpo1]

Training and Scheduling Unit. Obviously where they schedule you for training at FLETC.

Thanks again.

[Twoisone]

What does 'TSU' stand for. I obviously am not there yet, but it sounds like it is related to being hired once all stages of the hiring process are complete?

TSU = Training and Scheduling Unit. This is the part of the process an applicant will reside in before being given their EOD (Enter or Entry On Duty) date. An applicant can expect to be in TSU for 30 to 120 days, sometimes even longer. The variables that can decide for how long, range from geographic preference selected, ports with the most need, etc.

[yoda]

My adjudicator called me in march and said she was sending my file to the supervisors to get the final decision. If my issue is looked at objectively than I should have gotten a dq. I just don't see how it takes 5 months to get my decision. I would hope that they weigh other factors and make a decision based how someone has changed and what they have accomplished since that issue. My issue was light mj use 9 years ago. I should have just lied and I would already be working. My advice to anyone having similar issues is to just lie. They say they want honesty and integrity, but do they really? If I get dq it will show that it is looked at objectively no matter what.

My file has gone back and forward so much for so long that I simply "gave up" on it!... I was sworn in last Wednesday, in the ARMY National Guard, to become an Officer. I will be shipping out Sept. 28 for BCT, and then off to OCS in January. With my luck they'll call me when I'm training and nowhere near my cell... but 2 years waiting for them to "clear" me is ridiculous to say the least. The last thing on my BI, after it had gone through the entire chain, they had to refresh with a NEW SF-86... That I submitted about a month ago.
IA will do what they do, when they want to, and there is absolutely nothing we can do about it. You can call and email all you want, it won't matter. All we can do is sit back and let it be, with the simple HOPE that it is still moving (since you have not been DQ'd through all this time). I have been told a few times that they are very quick to DQ you and very slow to push you through, I hope that is the case for us still waiting!...

In the meantime I'll become an Officer in the ARMY National Guard, and if CBP calls by then, we'll see. I let quite a few opportunities fly by me while waiting for CBP, not anymore!...:cool:

BTW
I know for sure my Fitness and Drug test will expire while I'm at BCT in November, what will happen when they can't get ahold of me?... and this would be for my 3rd round of testing!

[Ivylaw77]

They cleared my BI today and I waiting for a CBPO position in GEO-Arizona.

[barnaj]

My file has gone back and forward so much for so long that I simply "gave up" on it!... I was sworn in last Wednesday, in the ARMY National Guard, to become an Officer. I will be shipping out Sept. 28 for BCT, and then off to OCS in January. With my luck they'll call me when I'm training and nowhere near my cell... but 2 years waiting for them to "clear" me is ridiculous to say the least. The last thing on my BI, after it had gone through the entire chain, they had to refresh with a NEW SF-86... That I submitted about a month ago.
IA will do what they do, when they want to, and there is absolutely nothing we can do about it. You can call and email all you want, it won't matter. All we can do is sit back and let it be, with the simple HOPE that it is still moving (since you have not been DQ'd through all this time). I have been told a few times that they are very quick to DQ you and very slow to push you through, I hope that is the case foe us still waiting!...

In the meantime I'll become an Officer in the ARMY National Guard, and if CBP calls by then, we'll see. I let quite a few opportunities fly by me while waiting for CBP, not anymore!...:cool:

Good for you brother. Good to have another good person in the service. At least youre advancing in something else, and heck, if your BI FINALLY clears, youre a Guardsman so you can do both. If it comes to it and it clears and you cant take the job immediately, you can reapply within a year of your BI going complete and it should carry over.

[yoda]

Good for you brother. Good to have another good person in the service. At least youre advancing in something else, and heck, if your BI FINALLY clears, youre a Guardsman so you can do both. If it comes to it and it clears and you cant take the job immediately, you can reapply within a year of your BI going complete and it should carry over.

That would be an option, the only thing is that if they withdraw my TO because they couldn't get a hold of me for the tests, they will toss out every step not completed... I would have to start all over gain from square 1!... It is what it is, as I had to do what is best for me and my Family at this point. The main reason I went with the Guard was in the hopes of getting called at some point by CBP, if not I would've just gone Active, and if CBP doesn't call I still have the option of going Active.

[yoda]

They cleared my BI today and I waiting for a CBPO position in GEO-Arizona.

Good for you Boricua!... I hope you get the call soon rather than later.:cool:

[BillyHoyle]

Back in the good ol' TSU lounge. Was a little nervous about my eyes (just like the other 2 times I took the med), but I guess I still see good enough to umpire in the MLB. Time to sit back and watch paint dry.

[rivea176]

Ummm ....I am hoping that you were meaning the mile and a half. :eek:

Uppsss..Yes I meant the Mile and half..:o

[barnaj]

Uppsss..Yes I meant the Mile and half..:o

What took you so long to respond? Have you been running the mile and a half since you posted that???

Sike!

[AC.CBPO]

They cleared my BI today and I waiting for a CBPO position in GEO-Arizona.

felicidades boricua, they ask me for that form again around the same time they ask you, i was checking on you to see if your process cleared and .. yesss , let see how about me.

[ammo19]

If there are any CBPO's that have had their 5 year Background Investigation that are on this forum, can you please send me a private message. I have some questions I would like to ask. Thanks in advance

[Beecy]

I won't hold you to it, but that is good to know. I have not had a face to face with an investigator. All correspondence has been via mail/phone. I don't live anywhere near the hiring center and have had to travel quite a ways just for my written exam and VBT. However, I have not made any attempts to contact an investigator. So far, everything has gone smoothly and fairly quick compared to some of the others I've seen on this site, so I have not had a reason to. The letter of unsuitability I recently received really took me back after all I've gone through to get this far.

I received the same type of NOPA letter back in Nov. 2008. I replied within 30 days with a 3 page letter explaining how my employer closed down....I was laid off for a year.....blah blah blah.....and eventually went through a bankruptcy. I also contacted my lawyer and he was happy to send a letter backing up everything I stated. I overnighted everything via FedEx and required a signature at destination. I haven't heard anything directly about the NOPA but my qualifications have since cleared and I received a letter stating I will have to redo my fitness test in the near future.....hence...I take that as good news. Go for it ...write that letter!

:)

[kenpo1]

I received the same type of NOPA letter back in Nov. 2008. I replied within 30 days with a 3 page letter explaining how my employer closed down....I was laid off for a year.....blah blah blah.....and eventually went through a bankruptcy. I also contacted my lawyer and he was happy to send a letter backing up everything I stated. I overnighted everything via FedEx and required a signature at destination. I haven't heard anything directly about the NOPA but my qualifications have since cleared and I received a letter stating I will have to redo my fitness test in the near future.....hence...I take that as good news. Go for it ...write that letter!

:)

Thanks for this very helpful information. It sounds like your scenario is almost exactly the same as mine and things are working out for you, so I will feel a little better about staying positive.

[koalica]

Anyone with a GEO in Laredo, Texas? or maybe Puerto Rico?

Me...currently in TSU for Laredo

[ExRebel]

I was arrested three times, DWI and two more times for driving with a suspended license. This all happened close to 10 years ago. I got an NOPA, obviously, and appealed since that all happened when I was a stupid teenager. I passed my background. Definitely write that letter. On a side note, I never got any confirmation that they received the letter I wrote or anything at all when I was found suitable. I checked CASS one day and the little green check mark was there.

[barnaj]

I was arrested three times, DWI and two more times for driving with a suspended license. This all happened close to 10 years ago. I got an NOPA, obviously, and appealed since that all happened when I was a stupid teenager. I passed my background. Definitely write that letter. On a side note, I never got any confirmation that they received the letter I wrote or anything at all when I was found suitable. I checked CASS one day and the little green check mark was there.

How long did it take them to clear you after you submitted your response?

[ifoCBP]

I thought the hiring was supposed to pick up by now. When are they going to start spending that 2010 money? We know they got it. Anyone know if they have filled FLETC for October through December?
When did this hiring drought start, last February or March?

[USMC0844]

Day 1 TSU - East Texas

[TXCBP]

Day 1 TSU - East Texas

Welcome!!! TSU 12-1-08 for E. Texas also!!!

[tippmann87]

I thought the hiring was supposed to pick up by now. When are they going to start spending that 2010 money? We know they got it. Anyone know if they have filled FLETC for October through December?
When did this hiring drought start, last February or March?

You can thank the new administration for this. Just read the budget they put out for CBP.....things don't look good. Don't worry though, they got Chevy's back.

[ExRebel]

How long did it take them to clear you after you submitted your response?

About two months after I got the notice is when it changed on CASS. The most frustrating part was that I never got any sort of response at allfrom the government. No phone call, letter or anything.

[barnaj]

About two months after I got the notice is when it changed on CASS. The most frustrating part was that I never got any sort of response at allfrom the government. No phone call, letter or anything.

If you ask me, that is the best case scenario. Id much rather not be contacted at all and just clear one day. No news is good news!

[colinm112]

Day 155 in TSU for Miami, FL

[Thek9]

Day 124 in TSU for Miami, FL

[UofU76]

Day 146 in TSU for SF/OAK.

[TuffStuffCBP]

Day 86 in TSU for NYC/JFK

Looks like I've got a long haul ahead.

[rjdispatch]

Day 86 in TSU for NYC/JFK

Looks like I've got a long haul ahead.

Day 131 for Atlanta........guess im the only one

[TXCBP]

Day 269 in TSU for E. TEXAS (Houston)

[ShowT1me78]

Got all my green little checks finally today. Long and painful process. JFK hopefully real soon.

[barnaj]

Got all my green little checks finally today. Long and painful process. JFK hopefully real soon.

Must be one of them days where they updated alot of peoples status'. Lots of people seeing the green today. Me excluded of course...

[mackabo]

Day 69 VA.

[seeOH]

97 Days in TSU for NY - Other (Upstate!)

[BillyHoyle]

About to cross the 120 line, next stop 180.

[TuffStuffCBP]

WHEN, How are you doing? are you still here?

[when]

I am still here day 154 for JFK...

I was in GA last week and I wondered when I would finally make it there for training.
Getting tired of being asked; "What's going on with the customs job?"
I feel like replying nothing!!!! just nothing!!! or I wouldn't be here talking to you damn it!...lol...just ranting

[robeans]

I thought the hiring was supposed to pick up by now. When are they going to start spending that 2010 money? We know they got it. Anyone know if they have filled FLETC for October through December?
When did this hiring drought start, last February or March?

Fiscal year starts Oct 1. The system is very exact, only FY09 money until Oct 1.

[2g2gn]

DAY 11 in TSU - Washington Northern Border.

[sr20]

Got all my green little checks finally today. Long and painful process. JFK hopefully real soon.

Same here for me...so what's next?

[colinm112]

Hey when, so hows that customs job comin along? whats up with that? what? they make you wait??


I hate that too cause no one outside the application process that hasnt done something like this before just think you are talking out your ***

[bhov97]

i stopped counting days in TSU and started counting months lol
TSU for Massachusetts 11/14/2008

[TXCBP]

I am still here day 154 for JFK...

I was in GA last week and I wondered when I would finally make it there for training.
Getting tired of being asked; "What's going on with the customs job?"
I feel like replying nothing!!!! just nothing!!! or I wouldn't be here talking to you damn it!...lol...just ranting

I agree with you, I get tired of the question too!! :D I'm like, believe me, WHEN I hear something, you'll know about it also!!! Haha

[Ivylaw77]

TSU:8/27/2009
GEO-Arizona
Many people got the green check mark today, congrats (;)
Give thanks and praised to the Lord and everything will be all right :)

[Chuckb88]

Fiscal year starts Oct 1. The system is very exact, only FY09 money until Oct 1.

So are you thinking they wont even begin hiring until october?

[TuffStuffCBP]

I have this horrible fear that the government is insolvent and that nobody will every be hired for anything ever again. Crazy? Less and less every day.

[TX54]

Congrats USMC, another fellow East Texan


Still in TSU 07/06/09

[Jdlewis]

Hello all,

I have been in TSU for Washington Northern Border since 6/12/2009 and today I will contribute my first post. I have been following the forum for months now and must say it is very interesting. I have learned a wealth of information from this forum, including the following: Many people have been in the TSU far longer than I, "Girly" got jipped on her step test, another guy told the truth about smoking some dope and has been waiting for 2 years, and I think I want Merlin's autograph! All kidding aside the reason I have decided to post is to inform my fellow Buffalonians about some important intel. I just talked to one of my good friends who is a cbpo in buffalo. He told me the following: he was told by a credible source within his chain of command that Buffalo is not sending anyone to the academy until October, when the new fiscal year starts. Basically there is a hiring freeze at least in buffalo, because funds have been exhausted. This might not be accurate, but I do not see why he would try to deceive me (so people waiting for buffalo it will be a little bit longer).
I currently am in graduate school and will not let TSU dictate my life. Yet, I still get excited every time my phone rings. Goodnight Now!
Also, from the multiple times I have called TSU I finally got them to tell me I am second in the pipeline. I know someone in this forum had TSU 6/11/2009 for N. Washington so that information might be of interest to you.

[CMUnupe]

Nice 1st post. Welcome to the boards.

[Burrell707]

Day 146 in TSU for SF/OAK.
Day 158.......:( . But at least I'm getting some school done during the waiting.

[blk98gt]

4.5 months in TSU for IL and yesterday I get a packet and a TO for ICE IEA AZ geo. What happens when I get my CBP EOD, go to FLETC for training and ICE decides to send me through the interviews, physicals, and other steps in the process? Will I be able to complete them in or around FLETC?

I have a gut feeling this has been asked before but I wouldn't even know what key words to search for. :rolleyes:

[dogz777]

Day 134 in TSU for LA/LB.....

Quick question... Would calling TSU have any effect on your status on the pipeline of applicants waiting for EOD? I haven't called TSU yet but with more than 120 days in TSU, it's just mind boggling to me on where do I stand in the TSU list.

[Thek9]

After 90 days in TSU the phone msg says leave a msg. with ID# Tel.

[delvalle242]

TSU:8/27/2009
GEO-Arizona
Many people got the green check mark today, congrats (;)
Give thanks and praised to the Lord and everything will be all right :)

I agree with you, when the Lord is in the middle of something things start to change in favor of those who put their trust and belief in Him. :)

[delvalle242]

Me...currently in TSU for Laredo

Seems as if the both of us were referred to TSU on the same date, 08/14/09. If you get the call before I do please let me know and I'll do the same. Hopefully we'll meet at the pre-academy and at FLETC. Wish you the best!!!!

[anthony30]

Hello all,

I have been in TSU for Washington Northern Border since 6/12/2009 and today I will contribute my first post. I have been following the forum for months now and must say it is very interesting. I have learned a wealth of information from this forum, including the following: Many people have been in the TSU far longer than I, "Girly" got jipped on her step test, another guy told the truth about smoking some dope and has been waiting for 2 years, and I think I want Merlin's autograph! All kidding aside the reason I have decided to post is to inform my fellow Buffalonians about some important intel. I just talked to one of my good friends who is a cbpo in buffalo. He told me the following: he was told by a credible source within his chain of command that Buffalo is not sending anyone to the academy until October, when the new fiscal year starts. Basically there is a hiring freeze at least in buffalo, because funds have been exhausted. This might not be accurate, but I do not see why he would try to deceive me (so people waiting for buffalo it will be a little bit longer).
I currently am in graduate school and will not let TSU dictate my life. Yet, I still get excited every time my phone rings. Goodnight Now!
Also, from the multiple times I have called TSU I finally got them to tell me I am second in the pipeline. I know someone in this forum had TSU 6/11/2009 for N. Washington so that information might be of interest to you.

hey jewis, good first post and im in tsu for buffalo so Thanks for the update.. i was thinking all along. i waited abmost 4 months now in tsu, so whats another month or two!
And for the people in tsu, dont change your life and sit by the phone because you will dive yourself crazy. (take you trips,vac.,go back to school,) i read a few posts where they were stopping all activities and just waiting. thanks for all the good posts everyone and enjoy the ride!

[barnaj]

4.5 months in TSU for IL and yesterday I get a packet and a TO for ICE IEA AZ geo. What happens when I get my CBP EOD, go to FLETC for training and ICE decides to send me through the interviews, physicals, and other steps in the process? Will I be able to complete them in or around FLETC?

I have a gut feeling this has been asked before but I wouldn't even know what key words to search for. :rolleyes:

Its gonna be up to you to decide if you wanna resign and pursue ICE instead. You can ask them if they will put off your pre-employment steps until its convenient for you, but not sure thats gonna work.

[sr20]

Since I got all Green checks on the CASS yesterday, what would be next? does this mean I'm cleared?

[Twoisone]

Since I got all Green checks on the CASS yesterday, what would be next? does this mean I'm cleared?

It means your next stop is TSU, where an applicant can languish for 30 to 120+ days, until you get an EOD date. Your journey through the CBP pre-employment process still continues....

[NJNJ]

Quick question.....If you go to TSU and have a higher score than others already there do you jump ahead of that person? Or do you just follow the TSU line????

[anthony30]

as i understand it your score does not matter. you go by your TSU date.. someone correct me if i am wrong.

[Thek9]

You are correct Sir.

[USMC0844]

Quick question.....If you go to TSU and have a higher score than others already there do you jump ahead of that person? Or do you just follow the TSU line????

Scores mean nothing after TOs. It is all based on the date you enter TSU now.

[bflogirl]

Not quite sure why everyone is posting # of days in TSU. I don't even count all I know is I am still waiting.
Thanks for the info on Buffalo I am hoping that come Oct the calls start again! As long as I get in before my fitness expires I'll be very happy!

[Gbeck422]

104 days in TSU for Saint Thomas, Virgin Islands. I hear people are usually forced to go to this location because not enough people sign up to volunteer for it. Since I signed up voluntarily for it, and I'm not even being contacted, it seems that indeed it is true that all hiring has stopped until 1 October... oh well... another month and some change... ??

[Buckeye23]

Wow I logged into CASS today and a present suprise, I went from 2 green checks to all green accept for BI, which I just mailed last week, and my medical, which has a slight hangup but will be cleared up shortly. Now to wait for my NOPA...

[Ivylaw77]

Anyone with a GEO in Arizona?
I got my BI green check mark yesterday Aug 27 but the EOD date in the cass was Aug 18, they doesn't uptaded the cass until I sent them a email asked for my application status Aug 25.
Congrats to everyone :)

[Burrell707]

Checked the mail today. Received TO for ICE IEA, SF County. Hopefully some of the CBP Pre-Employment carries over to the IEA position. This makes me forget how bored I was waiting for my car brakes to get serviced!

[Ivylaw77]

I agree with you, when the Lord is in the middle of something things start to change in favor of those who put their trust and belief in Him. :)

That's right, I hope that they call us very soon, I know the Lord is in control of everything.
You live in PR? You applied for two differents GEO, PR and Texas?

[Ivylaw77]

felicidades boricua, they ask me for that form again around the same time they ask you, i was checking on you to see if your process cleared and .. yesss , let see how about me.

Hey! Thanks, I hope that they put the green check mark in you BI too.
I sent them a email asked for my application status in Aug 25, the BI was cleared since Aug 18, the EOD date, but they doesn't uptaded the Cass until I sent the message.
So you can try this too. Good Luck :)

[yoda]

Hey! Thanks, I hope that they put the green check mark in you BI too.
I sent them a email asked for my application status in Aug 25, the BI was cleared since Aug 18, the EOD date, but they doesn't uptaded the Cass until I sent the message.
So you can try this too. Good Luck :)

EOD = Entrance On Duty (First Day at work)
You are in TSU (Training and Scheduling Unit) where they will call you and give you your EOD.
I know it is confusing a bit since they changed the message to "referred to schedule EOD"...

[casey3]

So I will be at fletc from 9/6-01/07 for cbp class 971. I am thinking of going to watch my cousin play an NFL game against the 49ers. Is there a mandatory time that I have to return back to fletc by on Sunday?

[Twoisone]

So I will be at fletc from 9/6-01/07 for cbp class 971. I am thinking of going to watch my cousin play an NFL game against the 49ers. Is there a mandatory time that I have to return back to fletc by on Sunday?

Negative, but if you will be traveling a certain distance away from FLETC (say, over 100 miles) your class coordinator will want to your whereabouts. The most important issue is that you are ready to go Monday morning prior to your first class starting.

[sr20]

My BI is completed in CASS but the CASS hotline still saying its pending....so which one do i follow?

[ni86]

There weren't any calls went out the last two weeks. I guess they've filled up the classes for the rest of this year: Sept, Oct, Nov, and Dec. The worse case scenario.

[koalica]

Anyone with a GEO in Arizona?
I got my BI green check mark yesterday Aug 27 but the EOD date in the cass was Aug 18, they doesn't uptaded the cass until I sent them a email asked for my application status Aug 25.
Congrats to everyone :)

Congrats, same here. My BI cleared about two weeks ago and CASS didn't update to TSU until I emailed them about it three days prior to the change made earlier this week :o

[koalica]

My BI is completed in CASS but the CASS hotline still saying its pending....so which one do i follow?

I'd follow CASS online. The hotline might just be taking a while to update considering it's the weekend and all.

[koalica]

Seems as if the both of us were referred to TSU on the same date, 08/14/09. If you get the call before I do please let me know and I'll do the same. Hopefully we'll meet at the pre-academy and at FLETC. Wish you the best!!!!

Most definitely! Was your timeline by any chance similar to mine?

Good luck to you as well. It would be nice to meet up with a forum buddy at FLETC :)

[kearney3]

Welcome! TSU 4/10/2009 East Texas!

[delvalle242]

That's right, I hope that they call us very soon, I know the Lord is in control of everything.
You live in PR? You applied for two differents GEO, PR and Texas?

I live in PR but my GEO is Laredo. I am just waiting for something to happen regardless of the impossibilities of getting PR as my GEO preference. Its actually beleiving in something that hasn't happened but will happen. :)

How long have you been living in Arizona?

[delvalle242]

Most definitely! Was your timeline by any chance similar to mine?

Good luck to you as well. It would be nice to meet up with a forum buddy at FLETC :)

I took the test Nov 5 2007 with a GEO for Puerto Rico but then during Jan-Feb Customs opening I switched my GEO to Laredo since my test was to expire July 2009. In regards to the time frame Interview, Med, Drug, Forms and BI they seem to be 30 days ahead of your timeline. I got my forms on March 14, interview and drug test were on the first week of April, a week after that I got my physical and my BI began in May and met with investigator on July the 7th. My BI was cleared on the 13th of Aug and TSU on the 14th. So it seems that its similar to your timeline. Hope to meet with you at FLETC, I agree with you on that.

[merlin436]

There weren't any calls went out the last two weeks. I guess they've filled up the classes for the rest of this year: Sept, Oct, Nov, and Dec. The worse case scenario.

I'm almost certain that spots for class 971 have been called within the last 2 weeks.

I seriously doubt that they've filled all the classes through October...much less December. They probably won't even come close to filling December classes before November 01.

[1806]

Most definitely! Was your timeline by any chance similar to mine?

Good luck to you as well. It would be nice to meet up with a forum buddy at FLETC :)

Good luck.

I hope you enjoy our little corner of paradise.

[anydaynow]

I don't think they stopped filling classes, but things do seem very slow. Anyone know how far into Sept. they are in filling classes or are we into October? When can they start spending the money for fy 2010?

Also, anyone know what the working conditions are like in Vermont? Been in TSU for Vermont since January and this was a spot where they anticipated many vacancies. How frustrating.

[soto2635]

havent posted in a while, im going into week 5 here its not to bad at all, the only thing i dread is the PT but other than that everything is good to go. hopefully everything keeps going well

[tsawille]

Day 46 TSU for Minneapolis. Just heard they accepted 10 lateral transfers so it could be awhile. Anyone else going for MN?

[Thek9]

Hey Soto,

So what's up with the PT? I'm glad you stayed.

[Ivylaw77]

I live in PR but my GEO is Laredo. I am just waiting for something to happen regardless of the impossibilities of getting PR as my GEO preference. Its actually beleiving in something that hasn't happened but will happen. :)

How long have you been living in Arizona?

One year and three months, My spouse and I really liked, the weather is so hot, especially in the summer but thanks God for the air conditioning...
We miss a lot the family, the beaches and mountains.
I hope we can receive the call soon and meet you at the Academy. :D

[soto2635]

good amount of running, and staionary workouts i dont mind it to much it just kills me that we pt when its pouring rain outside and then go back inside the a/c is on blast and then there wondering why everyone is sick

[Ivylaw77]

My BI is completed in CASS but the CASS hotline still saying its pending....so which one do i follow?

You can send them a email asking about your application status. ;)

[1806]

Has anyone at FLETC fed the turtles?

[kazmtj22]

yes. Im at fletc right now. I have fed them a few times. they love nacho doritos.

[MarineSniper21]

New here hello everyone. I took the test in May of this year in El Paso, TX. I received my NOR in June. My Geo Preference is West Texas, NM. Has anyone received a TO yet that tested around this time frame? Oh and my score was an 89. Any one station in the El Paso port of entry? If so are they low on people there?

[sr20]

You can send them a email asking about your application status. ;)

By any chance you would have the email address? thanks

[DirtStyx]

Yep. I think that the guy whos been in trouble, admitted it, and paid the price is less likely to try and get away with something than someone who did stuff and never got caught. I dont know, with the amount of people on the "wall of shame", its hard to believe a BI even matters.
__________________
CBPO - Michigan
Amen brother ! Backgrounds by and large are a joke . One Agency hires you another turns you down. If your cri . record is clear,credit good ,job history good ,driving record good you should be able to have an interview and be allowed some explaination of your problems. Maybe in front of a board. Our wall of Shame is Shamefull . But look at who slips through . We just do not recruit law enforcement dedicated folks . We go after the lowest of the low those without jobs ,prior law enforcement expierience ,lack of schooling and they are getting younger and younger .

Thanks for the compliment dajob! So those of us caught in Michigan, the worst economy in the entire nation for the last 6 years are the lowest of the low? It must be nice to be smiled at by life enough to pass judgement on others like that.

[koalica]

By any chance you would have the email address? thanks

mhc-cbpo.applicantinfo@dhs.gov

[Sytes]

Has anyone at FLETC fed the turtles?

Not saying what agency nor class... While I was there, a good BBQ with a variety of trainees (and a few adv. trainees) at the pond - well, liquid courage for the win and off to the races - 2 "people" jumped in and held a fear factor - (More PUCKER FACTOR) swim race to the other side and back...

For those watching - it was a fun show. :)

Snapping turtles - Nasty buggers!

[Gbeck422]

While at FLETC, what are the residences like? Do you have your own room or must your share a room with another person similar to a college dorm?

If one is there over Christmas, is there sufficient time off to fly home perhaps or it is mandatory to stay within the area?

What time is each day over?

Are the residences clean?

[Jdlewis]

Yep. I think that the guy whos been in trouble, admitted it, and paid the price is less likely to try and get away with something than someone who did stuff and never got caught. I dont know, with the amount of people on the "wall of shame", its hard to believe a BI even matters.
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CBPO - Michigan
Amen brother ! Backgrounds by and large are a joke . One Agency hires you another turns you down. If your cri . record is clear,credit good ,job history good ,driving record good you should be able to have an interview and be allowed some explaination of your problems. Maybe in front of a board. Our wall of Shame is Shamefull . But look at who slips through . We just do not recruit law enforcement dedicated folks . We go after the lowest of the low those without jobs ,prior law enforcement expierience ,lack of schooling and they are getting younger and younger .
2nd post

You sound like an ignoramus.

[Jdlewis]

Good night now..

[TX54]

havent posted in a while, im going into week 5 here its not to bad at all, the only thing i dread is the PT but other than that everything is good to go. hopefully everything keeps going well

Hey soto nice to hear from you buddy. Glad to hear that you are now in your week five and everything is going good. So how far distance wise are you guys running, I know it varies with instructors and such but wanted to get an idea of your experience.

Tx54

[biggdawgdaddy]

While at FLETC, what are the residences like? Do you have your own room or must your share a room with another person similar to a college dorm?

If one is there over Christmas, is there sufficient time off to fly home perhaps or it is mandatory to stay within the area?

What time is each day over?

Are the residences clean?

Housing varies, much like military housing. You only get the Holiday off. While in training you are not allowed to use leave, even the day after Thanksgiving. You can get most all of your questions answered here: http://www.fletc.gov/

[imlikeaninja]

Yep. I think that the guy whos been in trouble, admitted it, and paid the price is less likely to try and get away with something than someone who did stuff and never got caught. I dont know, with the amount of people on the "wall of shame", its hard to believe a BI even matters.
__________________
CBPO - Michigan
Amen brother ! Backgrounds by and large are a joke . One Agency hires you another turns you down. If your cri . record is clear,credit good ,job history good ,driving record good you should be able to have an interview and be allowed some explaination of your problems. Maybe in front of a board. Our wall of Shame is Shamefull . But look at who slips through . We just do not recruit law enforcement dedicated folks . We go after the lowest of the low those without jobs ,prior law enforcement expierience ,lack of schooling and they are getting younger and younger .


Hey there he is. Hows it goin' HTJ?

Long time no see. Missed you buddy welcome back.

[Khue]

Hello all,

I have been in TSU for Washington Northern Border since 6/12/2009 and today I will contribute my first post. I have been following the forum for months now and must say it is very interesting. I have learned a wealth of information from this forum, including the following: Many people have been in the TSU far longer than I, "Girly" got jipped on her step test, another guy told the truth about smoking some dope and has been waiting for 2 years, and I think I want Merlin's autograph! All kidding aside the reason I have decided to post is to inform my fellow Buffalonians about some important intel. I just talked to one of my good friends who is a cbpo in buffalo. He told me the following: he was told by a credible source within his chain of command that Buffalo is not sending anyone to the academy until October, when the new fiscal year starts. Basically there is a hiring freeze at least in buffalo, because funds have been exhausted. This might not be accurate, but I do not see why he would try to deceive me (so people waiting for buffalo it will be a little bit longer).
I currently am in graduate school and will not let TSU dictate my life. Yet, I still get excited every time my phone rings. Goodnight Now!
Also, from the multiple times I have called TSU I finally got them to tell me I am second in the pipeline. I know someone in this forum had TSU 6/11/2009 for N. Washington so that information might be of interest to you.

Thank you for the info., Jdlewis! I was away for a week to enjoy the birth of my son. Now that my son is born, my stress level is somewhat lifted and I am happily waiting. I want my son to be born before I take off to FLETC. Now, the next step is getting back into my physical fitness routine again. Hope everyone is going well!

[Thek9]

Khue,

Congratulation on the birth of your son, now the real stress and fatigue begins!

T-

[sr20]

mhc-cbpo.applicantinfo@dhs.gov

Thanks alot, I emailed them and this is what I got back,

The CASS system is correct. You have cleared all of the pre-employment processes at this time, and your file was referred to the Training and Scheduling unit. They will contact you when a funded position becomes available to offer you within your specific geographic location.

Now, I guess the waiting game officially starts now....

[Khue]

Khue,

Congratulation on the birth of your son, now the real stress and fatigue begins!

T-

Thanks, Thek9! Yeah, raising a baby is fun, but with all fun there is stress and fatigue involved.

[delvalle242]

Hey folks, just want to hear what are the different reasons in why did you apply for a CBPO position rather than a BPA position excluding the pay? I'm curious to know your answer and also see if they are the same or similiar reasons as mine?

My reason for applying with CBP is, excluding pay and benefits, a low risk job compared to Border Patrol and its navy blue uniform.

[1806]

Probably the biggest reason was that I could choose where I wanted to work.

[TuffStuffCBP]

Thanks alot, I emailed them and this is what I got back,

The CASS system is correct. You have cleared all of the pre-employment processes at this time, and your file was referred to the Training and Scheduling unit. They will contact you when a funded position becomes available to offer you within your specific geographic location.

Now, I guess the waiting game officially starts now....

Welcome, buddy!

See you at Fletc in 2050

[TXCBP]

Hey folks, just want to hear what are the different reasons in why did you apply for a CBPO position rather than a BPA position excluding the pay? I'm curious to know your answer and also see if they are the same or similiar reasons as mine?

My reason for applying with CBP is, excluding pay and benefits, a low risk job compared to Border Patrol and its navy blue uniform.

WOW, because of "its navy blue uniform"!!! It is nice, but :confused:.....

[ShowT1me78]

Thanks alot, I emailed them and this is what I got back,

The CASS system is correct. You have cleared all of the pre-employment processes at this time, and your file was referred to the Training and Scheduling unit. They will contact you when a funded position becomes available to offer you within your specific geographic location.

Now, I guess the waiting game officially starts now....

I emailed them this morning and received the same response. Hopefully we can get into JFK FY2010 meaning OCT. LOL I man can dream cant he.

[Ivylaw77]

Thanks alot, I emailed them and this is what I got back,

The CASS system is correct. You have cleared all of the pre-employment processes at this time, and your file was referred to the Training and Scheduling unit. They will contact you when a funded position becomes available to offer you within your specific geographic location.

Now, I guess the waiting game officially starts now....

Congrats :)

[Jdlewis]

I have read that BPA's only make 20% overtime compared to CBPO's 50%. Why is there this huge difference and will CBPO potentially go down to 20% under a new contract?

"Q: Are Border Patrol Agents compensated for overtime work?
A: Yes. Upon return to their official duty stations, after completion of training at the Academy, Agents may earn from 10% to 25% additional pay for the performance of extra duty time. Additionally, Agents also receive night deferential pay, Sunday pay and Holiday pay (CBP website)."

If this is true BPA is certainly not the way to go. I applied for both but that's a huge difference.

[Jperkins1021]

New here hello everyone. I took the test in May of this year in El Paso, TX. I received my NOR in June. My Geo Preference is West Texas, NM. Has anyone received a TO yet that tested around this time frame? Oh and my score was an 89. Any one station in the El Paso port of entry? If so are they low on people there?

I was just hired on 08/17/2009 and go to FLETC on Sept 10th - Dec 30th... From my understanding, they are hiring between 4 and 10 people every Monday. We are supposed to get 10 more people tomorrow for Class 971

[kearney3]

It seems to me that so many people have applied for these jobs ie CBPO and BPA and they have no clue of what they are getting themselves in to. They have no clue on what the job is about, what the academy is like, even what their pay compensation is. There is more than enough information online and in the packets of paperwork that they send you, that if you're too lazy to read all of your forms, or go online and research the career that you are getting in to, then maybe you should be looking into another line of work. For the person comparing BPA to Customs because of "low risk" and the color of the uniform, maybe you should re think your career choice because any law enforcement job carries risk (do you think they give you the gun just for looks?) And believe me after a few months on the job you wont give a crap what color the uniform is! Yikes! I cant believe some of these people are serious! Oh and FYI depending upon the POE, many customs officers are forced to work over time, sometimes even double shifts, when BPA's usually have 2hrs of AUO (automatic uncontrollable overtime) so the average shift for a BPA is 10hrs. everyone has different prefrences and needs, but at least have your facts straight and know what you're getting in to before you waste space in line when someone who really wants the job for the right reasons and know what is involved could happily take your spot. (Just thought I would get that off my chest) :D

[TX54]

Welcome, buddy!

See you at Fletc in 2050



Ha!!!!!!!!! Thats great, but true. LOL!!! Tuffstuff I will see you when you retire there....


Oh and what we have to keep in mind here ppl is that They are gonna hire where they need ppl, meaning it doesnt matter what when you took your test we can clearly see that for example Just as Jperkins1021 has just stated. There are a few of us for the same location (east texas) and I believe TXCBP has the earliest TSU date---- if you have a location such as west texas/south texas---they need people to fill bc of the high drug traffic and smuggling... Im definately seeing that those ppl are getting called for quick EODs.

[Jdlewis]

It seems to me that so many people have applied for these jobs ie CBPO and BPA and they have no clue of what they are getting themselves in to. They have no clue on what the job is about, what the academy is like, even what their pay compensation is. There is more than enough information online and in the packets of paperwork that they send you, that if you're too lazy to read all of your forms, or go online and research the career that you are getting in to, then maybe you should be looking into another line of work. For the person comparing BPA to Customs because of "low risk" and the color of the uniform, maybe you should re think your career choice because any law enforcement job carries risk (do you think they give you the gun just for looks?) And believe me after a few months on the job you wont give a crap what color the uniform is! Yikes! I cant believe some of these people are serious! Oh and FYI depending upon the POE, many customs officers are forced to work over time, sometimes even double shifts, when BPA's usually have 2hrs of AUO (automatic uncontrollable overtime) so the average shift for a BPA is 10hrs. everyone has different prefrences and needs, but at least have your facts straight and know what you're getting in to before you waste space in line when someone who really wants the job for the right reasons and know what is involved could happily take your spot. (Just thought I would get that off my chest) :D

Is this directed at me??? I sincerely hope not. I did the research and quoted it sir. I was trying to figure out why and how there is such a monumental difference in overtime pay. I hate to tell you but yes pay is an important factor in deciding a career. Also, you say, "when someone who really wants the job for the right reasons", what are the right reasons??? The ones that you deem appropriate? I have many reasons for wanting to be a cbpo other than pay, but thanks for already reading my mind and deciding I should not waste space.

[merlin436]

I have read that BPA's only make 20% overtime compared to CBPO's 50%. Why is there this huge difference and will CBPO potentially go down to 20% under a new contract?




Huh?

I don't know what you've been reading but it's wrong...on both accounts.

PA and CBPO overtime and premium pay differences have been discussed numerous times on this and the PA thread. I suggest you research them.


Both CBPO's and BPA's have a chance to work OT up to(and in rare cases beyond) the 35K cap that currently exists. There are no givens for either position...and there are plenty of PA's who make far more than CBPO's.

[Jdlewis]

CBP page
Careers
Border Patrol
Your Career as a Border Patrol Agent
FAQs – Working for Border Patrol
- 07/07/2009
Pay and Benefits
Q: Are Border Patrol Agents compensated for overtime work?
A: Yes. Upon return to their official duty stations, after completion of training at the Academy, Agents may earn from 10% to 25% additional pay for the performance of extra duty time. Additionally, Agents also receive night deferential pay, Sunday pay and Holiday pay.

[merlin436]

For the person comparing BPA to Customs because of "low risk" and the color of the uniform, maybe you should re think your career choice because any law enforcement job carries risk (do you think they give you the gun just for looks?)

+1

There is nobody gunning for PA's that would hesitate to gun for a CBPO.

Unless the discussion involves vehicle/boating accidents, you'll have nearly the same risks from the same criminals in either a blue or a green uniform.

[madchiken]

I have read that BPA's only make 20% overtime compared to CBPO's 50%. Why is there this huge difference and will CBPO potentially go down to 20% under a new contract?

"Q: Are Border Patrol Agents compensated for overtime work?
A: Yes. Upon return to their official duty stations, after completion of training at the Academy, Agents may earn from 10% to 25% additional pay for the performance of extra duty time. Additionally, Agents also receive night deferential pay, Sunday pay and Holiday pay (CBP website)."

If this is true BPA is certainly not the way to go. I applied for both but that's a huge difference.

I don't know where you got that 20% figure since it says 25% in the quote from CBP.gov...

With my base pay plus 25% for AUO and FLSA, 45 Act OT, night dif, Sunday pay, cash awards, and holiday pay I made mid $80's as a 9 and will make mid $90's as an 11/1 this year.

But even more important for me than the pay is that I have the freedom to patrol. I chase drug smugglers and groups of aliens almost daily, on foot and in vehicles. I can sit in a bush and jump out on a group of aliens that run in 20 different directions, then track them all down one by one.

It comes down to job satisfaction and is more importmant than how much OT you might get somewhere else!

[Jdlewis]

You're correct I should have said 25%, but I'm not trying to debate this I'm just trying to figure out if both BPA and CBPO make the same overtime pay (percentage).

[madchiken]

Nope, they are completely different.

[merlin436]

CBPO's make 2X COPRA OT for any time worked during the day in excess of 8 hours and for any time worked in excess of 40 hours during the work week.

That's assuming you work more than "8 and the gate" or a 40 hour week.

[merlin436]

Then... you'd add in evening differential, night differential, Sunday differential, holiday pay, and cash awards...if you earn any.

[merlin436]

Which...depending on the port, the availability of OT and shift differentials and locality pay...likely means that a CBPO will make anything between 65K and 100K+ as an 11/1.

[madchiken]

10-4 merlin, that's why I said its all about job satisfaction.

[ExRebel]

I was just hired on 08/17/2009 and go to FLETC on Sept 10th - Dec 30th... From my understanding, they are hiring between 4 and 10 people every Monday. We are supposed to get 10 more people tomorrow for Class 971

Just curious where you heard that they're gonna be hiring between 4 and 10 people every Monday?

[Chuckb88]

I was just wondering how difficult it is to become a supervisory CBP officer? Is it just offered once you top out at 11 or is it competetive? Do you know what the pay range is for supervisory positions? Thanks

[kc12]

I was just wondering how difficult it is to become a supervisory CBP officer? Is it just offered once you top out at 11 or is it competetive? Do you know what the pay range is for supervisory positions? Thanks

You take a supervisor's test and if you score high enough you apply for jobs as they are announced. A supervisor is a GS-12, and starts at about 65k per year.

[koalica]

I was just hired on 08/17/2009 and go to FLETC on Sept 10th - Dec 30th... From my understanding, they are hiring between 4 and 10 people every Monday. We are supposed to get 10 more people tomorrow for Class 971

Congrats! I'm really hoping for someone on here to be one of the lucky 4-10 people called next.

I'll be looking forward to every Monday from now on...that's a first :rolleyes:

[bflogirl]

I'm pretty sure the person who said they applied for CBP because the uniforms are navy was kidding:)

[merlin436]

One good reason why CBP won't be seeing across-the-board Journeyman GS-12 upgrades anytime in 2010...

Obama Reduces Pay Increase for Federal Employees

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/31/obama-reduces-pay-increase-federal-employees/


It's now a 2% increase we'll be fighting over. If it's like most years, expect that percentage to be whittled down for most folk to pay for larger increases in targeted geographical locales.

[winnerwinner]

I'm pretty sure the person who said they applied for CBP because the uniforms are navy was kidding:)

+1

And Congrats on the new baby Khlue! Enjoy, it really does go by too fast!

Merlin, what are the cash awards you speak of??

[merlin436]

Merlin, what are the cash awards you speak of??


Cash awards.

You'll see them for being involved in significant events like large seizures, important criminal arrests and the like. You know...going that extra mile and producing something noteworthy. You'll also see them handed out to the sycophants of upper management for "rearranging file cabinets" or otherwise reinventing the wheel.

Don't count on cash awards to be a meaningful part of your earnings. for most people we're talking of only a few hundred dollars per year...if that.

[TXCBP]

It seems to me that so many people have applied for these jobs ie CBPO and BPA and they have no clue of what they are getting themselves in to. They have no clue on what the job is about, what the academy is like, even what their pay compensation is. There is more than enough information online and in the packets of paperwork that they send you, that if you're too lazy to read all of your forms, or go online and research the career that you are getting in to, then maybe you should be looking into another line of work. For the person comparing BPA to Customs because of "low risk" and the color of the uniform, maybe you should re think your career choice because any law enforcement job carries risk (do you think they give you the gun just for looks?) And believe me after a few months on the job you wont give a crap what color the uniform is! Yikes! I cant believe some of these people are serious! Oh and FYI depending upon the POE, many customs officers are forced to work over time, sometimes even double shifts, when BPA's usually have 2hrs of AUO (automatic uncontrollable overtime) so the average shift for a BPA is 10hrs. everyone has different prefrences and needs, but at least have your facts straight and know what you're getting in to before you waste space in line when someone who really wants the job for the right reasons and know what is involved could happily take your spot. (Just thought I would get that off my chest) :D

I agree with you kearney3, you basically said what I wanted to say last night!! I mean to want to join ANY agency due to uniforms being nice (I'm not even going to get into "low risk", not when one wears a badge and carries a gun) is just insane, IMO!! But hey, what can I say.....:eek:

[TXCBP]

Ha!!!!!!!!! Thats great, but true. LOL!!! Tuffstuff I will see you when you retire there....


Oh and what we have to keep in mind here ppl is that They are gonna hire where they need ppl, meaning it doesnt matter what when you took your test we can clearly see that for example Just as Jperkins1021 has just stated. There are a few of us for the same location (east texas) and I believe TXCBP has the earliest TSU date---- if you have a location such as west texas/south texas---they need people to fill bc of the high drug traffic and smuggling... Im definately seeing that those ppl are getting called for quick EODs.

HAHA ya I think I'm the old man in TSU for E.TX!!! :mad:

[delvalle242]

It seems to me that so many people have applied for these jobs ie CBPO and BPA and they have no clue of what they are getting themselves in to. They have no clue on what the job is about, what the academy is like, even what their pay compensation is. There is more than enough information online and in the packets of paperwork that they send you, that if you're too lazy to read all of your forms, or go online and research the career that you are getting in to, then maybe you should be looking into another line of work. For the person comparing BPA to Customs because of "low risk" and the color of the uniform, maybe you should re think your career choice because any law enforcement job carries risk (do you think they give you the gun just for looks?) And believe me after a few months on the job you wont give a crap what color the uniform is! Yikes! I cant believe some of these people are serious! Oh and FYI depending upon the POE, many customs officers are forced to work over time, sometimes even double shifts, when BPA's usually have 2hrs of AUO (automatic uncontrollable overtime) so the average shift for a BPA is 10hrs. everyone has different prefrences and needs, but at least have your facts straight and know what you're getting in to before you waste space in line when someone who really wants the job for the right reasons and know what is involved could happily take your spot. (Just thought I would get that off my chest) :D


LOL, I guess if you wouldn't have gotten that off your chest you could of gotten a heart attack:). Seems that you had a bad day, lol. Its obvious that if you have a gun there is always some sort of risk but, in my opinion, compared to BPA there is less risk. In regards to OT, it makes no difference whether you put in more or less hours, in the end it always pays off:D. Please don't take me wrong on this but my facts are straight just wanted to know what was on other peoples mind if that doesn't bother you.

Anyway, EVERYONE is entitled to an opinion and at least you had the chance to let everyone know what you felt, and thought :) Take care buddy and have a good one. :):)

[delvalle242]

I'm pretty sure the person who said they applied for CBP because the uniforms are navy was kidding:)

Of course I was kidding, where is the sense of humor around hear :). Not everything can be serious. Once in a while you have to laugh at something. :)

[delvalle242]

+1

There is nobody gunning for PA's that would hesitate to gun for a CBPO.

Unless the discussion involves vehicle/boating accidents, you'll have nearly the same risks from the same criminals in either a blue or a green uniform.

It seems that people get too touchy around here. Nevermind the uniform color if thats going to be an issue, lol :)

There is always risk even you you work at a McDonald's serving hamburgers, any criminal can just walk right on in and hold you at gun point wanting the cash in the drawer, again where is the sense of humor people? :)

[merlin436]

I don't find thinking that this is a "low risk job" humorous, especially when the people thinking that this is a "low risk job" are the people I might have to depend on one day to be "watching my six".

[barnaj]

I don't find thinking that this is a "low risk job" humorous, especially when the people thinking that this is a "low risk job" are the people I might have to depend on one day to be "watching my six".

Dont get too worked up. If people really "wanted" action all day every day, they'd join the marines and choose infantry for the MOS.

[merlin436]

Who's worked up?

Nobody should ever apply to any LEO position thinking it's a "low risk job". Those who want low risk...Walmart is always hiring.

[Ivylaw77]

It seems to me that so many people have applied for these jobs ie CBPO and BPA and they have no clue of what they are getting themselves in to. They have no clue on what the job is about, what the academy is like, even what their pay compensation is. There is more than enough information online and in the packets of paperwork that they send you, that if you're too lazy to read all of your forms, or go online and research the career that you are getting in to, then maybe you should be looking into another line of work. For the person comparing BPA to Customs because of "low risk" and the color of the uniform, maybe you should re think your career choice because any law enforcement job carries risk (do you think they give you the gun just for looks?) And believe me after a few months on the job you wont give a crap what color the uniform is! Yikes! I cant believe some of these people are serious! Oh and FYI depending upon the POE, many customs officers are forced to work over time, sometimes even double shifts, when BPA's usually have 2hrs of AUO (automatic uncontrollable overtime) so the average shift for a BPA is 10hrs. everyone has different prefrences and needs, but at least have your facts straight and know what you're getting in to before you waste space in line when someone who really wants the job for the right reasons and know what is involved could happily take your spot. (Just thought I would get that off my chest) :D

Both jobs are very serious but differents, no matter if you are a BPA or CBPO both are forced to work long shifts. :confused:

[delvalle242]

I don't find thinking that this is a "low risk job" humorous, especially when the people thinking that this is a "low risk job" are the people I might have to depend on one day to be "watching my six".

Merlin436, no offense but I think you have been too long in the dog house, :). Lets put it this way so that others may understand what I'm trying to say. There are jobs with a higher risk (e.g., a soldier in Irak hoping not to get dropped by a bomb.) and there are those kinds of jobs which are "low risk" in which you will not have to pull out your gun on an everyday basis because you will get shot at. It all depends where all the action based on you GEO preference. If you choose a GEO somewhere north lets say US/Canada border it is most likely that there is a "low risk" in comparison to the US/Mexico border which has a higher risk. Resuming the high/low risk issue and hoping to put some closure to it, whether CBP or BPA there will ALWAYS be some sort of "high risk" or "low risk". :) :cool:

Hope that you don't take this personal.

[delvalle242]

Who's worked up?

Nobody should ever apply to any LEO position thinking it's a "low risk job". Those who want low risk...Walmart is always hiring.

LOL, no that is what you call good humor!! Excellent Merlin!!!! You have truely made my day with that "Walmart is always hiring" Very good one.:) :):)

[delvalle242]

Who's worked up?

Nobody should ever apply to any LEO position thinking it's a "low risk job". Those who want low risk...Walmart is always hiring.

Putting aside the high/low risk issue, whats your GEO and TSU date?

[delvalle242]

Dont get too worked up. If people really "wanted" action all day every day, they'd join the marines and choose infantry for the MOS.

Hey Barnaj, is there any space available in the nut house for me? :cool:

[barnaj]

Hey Barnaj, is there any space available in the nut house for me? :cool:

Exactly my point. People shouldn't pretend they want to be in an enviornment where they get into a firefight everyday. If they did they would try out for the special forces.

[anthony30]

Merlin436, no offense but I think you have been too long in the dog house, :). Lets put it this way so that others may understand what I'm trying to say. There are jobs with a higher risk (e.g., a soldier in Irak hoping not to get dropped by a bomb.) and there are those kinds of jobs which are "low risk" in which you will not have to pull out your gun on an everyday basis because you will get shot at. It all depends where all the action based on you GEO preference. If you choose a GEO somewhere north lets say US/Canada border it is most likely that there is a "low risk" in comparison to the US/Mexico border which has a higher risk. Resuming the high/low risk issue and hoping to put some closure to it, whether CBP or BPA there will ALWAYS be some sort of "high risk" or "low risk". :) :cool:

Hope that you don't take this personal.

and its IRAQ..... not irak..lol just wanted to chime in..sry

[Ivylaw77]

I think we have to respect the opinions or comments of anyone at the forum. Maybe we doesn't have the same perception or goal , someones applied for this job for the pay/salaries, benefits, others have this sense of obligation to service this Country , but we all are in the same path, get the job.
So don't blame anyone that doesn't have the same expectations than you :)

[ifoCBP]

Who's worked up?

Nobody should ever apply to any LEO position thinking it's a "low risk job". Those who want low risk...Walmart is always hiring.

Here is California, you can get shot at Walmart. All of you from Cali know what I am talking about. It's pretty bad. I won't even let my wife shop there alone. I would say walmart is more dangerous than our local airport/Port, atleast it is here in Cali.

[merlin436]

Putting aside the high/low risk issue, whats your GEO and TSU date?

I'm long on the job.

4 states...and upwards of 15 different ports/crossings/facilities worth.

[Firebug]

Putting aside the high/low risk issue, whats your GEO and TSU date?

I think you should realize that you are talking to a currently sworn CBP officer before you try to tell him how high or low risk his job is. He has been around a lot longer than you have.

FB

[Firebug]

Sorry, Merlin we are typing at the same time. Couldn't just let that go.

FB

[DCH]

Well, looks like I'm gonna see my 37th come and go without a TO for CBPO..

[FLA22]

Merlin436, no offense but I think you have been too long in the dog house, :). Lets put it this way so that others may understand what I'm trying to say. There are jobs with a higher risk (e.g., a soldier in Irak hoping not to get dropped by a bomb.) and there are those kinds of jobs which are "low risk" in which you will not have to pull out your gun on an everyday basis because you will get shot at. It all depends where all the action based on you GEO preference. If you choose a GEO somewhere north lets say US/Canada border it is most likely that there is a "low risk" in comparison to the US/Mexico border which has a higher risk. Resuming the high/low risk issue and hoping to put some closure to it, whether CBP or BPA there will ALWAYS be some sort of "high risk" or "low risk". :) :cool:

Hope that you don't take this personal.

Are you seriously thinking about working in a law enforcement position with an attitude like this? You need an administrative job, sir. You seem much to young and immature to work as an LEO. Please stay away from any profession that requires you to handle a weapon. It's not if you need to use that weapon, it's when! I can tell you first hand. However, I am not a CBPO. Anytime you are in uniform, you are a target. Perhaps the academy will give you the right mind set.

[sr20]

Anyone waiting in TSU for WA-Northern Borders

I get this feeling I'm going to be waiting for a longgggg time.

TSU - 8/28/09

[Khue]

I am. My TSU date is 6/11/09. I believe I am the first in line, from Jdlewis post, but correct me if I am wrong.

[Khue]

Anyone know whether if they will tell you if you are fully completed with the BI when they offer you the job? So far now news or an NOPA.

[sillyapple]

qwertyuiop

[sr20]

I am. My TSU date is 6/11/09. I believe I am the first in line, from Jdlewis post, but correct me if I am wrong.

Nice...i wonder if we're gona be in the class...

[barnaj]

Anyone know whether if they will tell you if you are fully completed with the BI when they offer you the job? So far now news or an NOPA.

Its highly unlikely they will call you and tell you. You can contact MHC after your BI clears in CASS and ask if you have full clearance or if you were cleared on a waiver. Other than that, if you get to leave FLETC with your gun and badge, you're fully cleared.

[sr20]

Anyone know whether if they will tell you if you are fully completed with the BI when they offer you the job? So far now news or an NOPA.

LOL...i actually have the same question...

[Khue]

Hey barnaj. Thanks, as always. You are a man full of knowledge. Hope we all get the call soon and be in the same class.

[Khue]

Its highly unlikely they will call you and tell you. You can contact MHC after your BI clears in CASS and ask if you have full clearance or if you were cleared on a waiver. Other than that, if you get to leave FLETC with your gun and badge, you're fully cleared.

Oh by the way, I was cleared on a waiver, but I will call again to find out.

[barnaj]

Hey barnaj. Thanks, as always. You are a man full of knowledge. Hope we all get the call soon and be in the same class.

No problem. Thats what the forum is here for. Yeah it stinks thinking you might come home from fletc without your stuff if you have a clean background. This happens to some people simply because the BI's are moving slowly. Your instructors check periodically towards the end of training to try and let everyone know what their status is.

[barnaj]

Oh by the way, I was cleared on a waiver, but I will call again to find out.

So how did you manage to get into TSU before your BI cleared?

[Khue]

You got me. I just called the hiring center, the person answer the phone was nice. All she said was I had a pre clearance because they went through my record and saw nothing. So they just passed me over to TSU. She said I will not get fully cleared until I get to the academy...I am not worry about my background, but worry about my association with my brother. He done something he is not very proud off and he got into trouble. Let just say he did his 2 years and now have a stable job.

[sr20]

You got me. I just called the hiring center, the person answer the phone was nice. All she said was I had a pre clearance because they went through my record and saw nothing. So they just passed me over to TSU. She said I will not get fully cleared until I get to the academy...I am not worry about my background, but worry about my association with my brother. He done something he is not very proud off and he got into trouble. Let just say he did his 2 years and now have a stable job.

well..IMO, i dont think they would hold anything against you since its your brother that done something in the past, not you.

[barnaj]

well..IMO, i dont think they would hold anything against you since its your brother that done something in the past, not you.

True. I believe the only time you can be held up by family influence is when it is a matter of illegal immigrants or terrorists ties and those sorts of things.

[delvalle242]

I think you should realize that you are talking to a currently sworn CBP officer before you try to tell him how high or low risk his job is. He has been around a lot longer than you have.

FB

Firebug I honestly did not know Merlin was a sworn CBPO. I guess he himself can give us much more light into the matter of how things are on the job. Don't get me wrong I'm not telling knowone what is or what is not a risky job, its just what I think. My facts come from sworn CBPO and BPA friends of mine that are already on the job and has shared their experiences. That is why I have come to that conclusion.

[ShowT1me78]

Got Referred to Scheduling on 8/28/2009... It just updated 5 min ago

[sr20]

True. I believe the only time you can be held up by family influence is when it is a matter of illegal immigrants or terrorists ties and those sorts of things.

i agree...

[sr20]

Got Referred to Scheduling on 8/28/2009... It just updated 5 min ago

NICE...I've been signing in all morning on CASS, and it finally updated today as well...

I see you're going for JFK...man, I wish I had the TO for it.

[Khue]

well..IMO, i dont think they would hold anything against you since its your brother that done something in the past, not you.

You'll be surprised. I tested four times with the local police department and passed all written and physical tests. The problem is that they see it as a liability, and I tested every year. I tested the same time the 2nd time with my friend and he is currently a police officer for that department. They keep telling me to apply again next year, and next year again and it have been 4 years now. From this experience, I know stuff happens, but I am not giving up on my dream to become a law enforcement officer. What I like about CBPO is that they are giving me the opportunity to look at me and not what my brother did. I came from a terrible third world country and I saw corruption from officials and civil servant. What I hate most is the corruption. Stuff like that don't make the country prosper, but diminish the trust and spirit of the people.

[delvalle242]

Are you seriously thinking about working in a law enforcement position with an attitude like this? You need an administrative job, sir. You seem much to young and immature to work as an LEO. Please stay away from any profession that requires you to handle a weapon. It's not if you need to use that weapon, it's when! I can tell you first hand. However, I am not a CBPO. Anytime you are in uniform, you are a target. Perhaps the academy will give you the right mind set.

To my understanding I believe you are a sworn LEO. I'm sure of what I want and not interested in an adminstrative position and if its considered to be an attitude when speaking what you think regardless if you share the same thought as I than let it be. Isn't that the purpose of a forum, expressing your thoughts? I mean no disrespect to none of the folks on this forum including yourself. I do agree with you on "Anytime you are in uniform, you are a target". That is the soul purpose of any LEO academy, to provide the right mind set.

Once again I mean no disrespect to you or others on board.

[DirtStyx]

Its highly unlikely they will call you and tell you. You can contact MHC after your BI clears in CASS and ask if you have full clearance or if you were cleared on a waiver. Other than that, if you get to leave FLETC with your gun and badge, you're fully cleared.

Are you kidding me? All this time and I thought you were issued your firearm at your local POE not at FLETC.

[Khue]

Are you kidding me? All this time and I thought you were issued your firearm at your local POE not at FLETC.

I think he meant graduation from FLETC.

[delvalle242]

I was just hired on 08/17/2009 and go to FLETC on Sept 10th - Dec 30th... From my understanding, they are hiring between 4 and 10 people every Monday. We are supposed to get 10 more people tomorrow for Class 971

Jperkins, where did you get the info regarding the hiring calls on every Monday? Let us all know for those of us who are in line awaiting for the call. Thanks in advance.

[Jdlewis]

I am. My TSU date is 6/11/09. I believe I am the first in line, from Jdlewis post, but correct me if I am wrong.

After many phone calls with TSU I was told I was second in the pipeline. However, I called a few weeks later and was told they usually do not give that type of information out for various reasons and should have not been told this. Yet, was not told that this information was wrong. Whatever the case I think we will be amongst the first to receive phone calls if they ever come.

By the way... What's Washington like? I have never been there, but from the pictures I have seen it looks beautiful. I have several friends who use to live there and they have told me it's very nice. This will be a long road trip for me when I finally get the call (Buffalo to Washington), but I am looking forward to it. It will be a great adventure. I just want to be a CBPO, and I will travel anywhere for the opportunity.

[yoda]

To my understanding I believe you are a sworn LEO. I'm sure of what I want and not interested in an adminstrative position and if its considered to be an attitude when speaking what you think regardless if you share the same thought as I than let it be. Isn't that the purpose of a forum, expressing your thoughts? I mean no disrespect to none of the folks on this forum including yourself. I do agree with you on "Anytime you are in uniform, you are a target". That is the soul purpose of any LEO academy, to provide the right mind set.

Once again I mean no disrespect to you or others on board.

Boricua!...
You just joined the Forum and you are trying too hard to prove your point or point of view. We have all been the FNG, but more than half, actually take the time to read previous posts from the past to learn. Mi consejo, quedate en la eaquina, lee y escucha!
There are a few CBPO's like Merlin and KC12 that frequently help us applicants, and if you would've taken the time to read the thread, you would've known this. The post that initiated all of this debate, frankly, looked like an ignorant one (with very little thought behind it) to be honest. The experiences from the CBPO's and BPA's that you have heard about in PR are not the same as everywhere else on the main land.

There are a few of us that have been in the process for a very long time as well, and have come across many bumps on the road, and we are still waiting... In the meantime we gather here to share knowledge and to help each other out throughout the process. Quit trying to make your case, you have failed on that front, now please take your place in line and if you actually have something that will benefit others please share...

Did not want to have a say about this to a fellow "islander" but man... you keep going at it, let it go!

[ShowT1me78]

NICE...I've been signing in all morning on CASS, and it finally updated today as well...

I see you're going for JFK...man, I wish I had the TO for it.

Why did u switch? If u don't mind