CBP officer

[primetime24]

Does anyone know for port of buffalo ny, during EOD is there fitness facilities to use during those 3 weeks? I worked at a school so used the gym there, but will be without one during EOD, definately want to keep in shape.

Thanks

[pheonix]

Hey everbody, I just thought I would put my two cents in. I am in Michigan I recieved my TO in April 08 and every thing is complete except my BI is in security office and I have been bouncing back and forth with the Medical Review Unit since Sep on a RX have not took since Aug. Today I will be faxing my 3rd DOC to the Medical Review Unit. I recieved a NOPA in early Sep. They had questions about my credit. I responded promptly and never heard a response back until my BI called and scheduled an appt. Since then I have not heard anything else about my BI. So here I sit waiting for some kind of update on my BI. So my first question is: Does your BI go in limbo until everthing else is cleared then they continue with BI. My dad who transfered from a EOD in michigan to FLETC. And my mom who retired from being the Port Directors right hand man are not sure. also I heard a rumor that there will be a hiring freeze soon. Does that mean everyone in the system is SOL and has to wait even longer. Also if you are in the system already and are playing the waiting game and you hit the max age req. Are you SOL? Last question. What are the reasons for being found unsuitable, I still have crappy credit but I am working on fixing that as I stated in my response to the NOPA. I also have have one employer that did not like me and fired me. Do they look at the overall character of the applicant or if they see one bad mark they toss your case. Do you get a chance to appeal thier decision. Any thoughts on this.

[merlin436]

Does anyone know for port of buffalo ny, during EOD is there fitness facilities to use during those 3 weeks? I worked at a school so used the gym there, but will be without one during EOD, definately want to keep in shape.

Thanks

The Port of Buffalo has an exercise room at one of the bridges. In general, expect most ports to be without much for exercise equipment, gyms or much of anything related to fitness.

[primetime24]

The Port of Buffalo has an exercise room at one of the bridges. In general, expect most ports to be without much for exercise equipment, gyms or much of anything related to fitness.

Thanks Merlin! i'd settle for a treadmil there, at least. Save myself the cost of a gym membership for 3 weeks!

[rbakous1]

anyone here prior military thats trying to join up?

I'm currently National Guard. (military police)

[merlin436]

Thanks Merlin! i'd settle for a treadmil there, at least. Save myself the cost of a gym membership for 3 weeks!

Run outside, if at all possible.

Treadmills are most often the poorest choice between the two.

[NAL06]

Run outside, if at all possible.

It hasn't been over 20 degrees and snowed daily for almost 2 weeks now

[nordy racer]

Hey guys, guess what! I got THE CALL today! I swear I had a dream about it last night. SFO international airport.

EOD Feb 2

FLETC Feb 25

Congrads man.. have fun :)

[ifoCBP]

I took the test a year ago, finished medical, fitness, drug test. Met with my BI in October. My background and quals are still pending. My BI sat down with me and went through my life with a fine tooth comb. A friend of mine took the test last August, finished everything by November and was hired in December and started at his port this month, goes to Fletc in two weeks! I met with my BI for 3-4 hours; he met with his for 45 minutes. I don’t get it. I have a really clean background, and my buddy is a little shady and I definitely thought he was going to have to explain some of his past in more detail. Actually, I didn’t think he would get the job. I am losing my patience with this thing. This whole hiring process is a crap shoot. Did I mention that I already work for DHS and have a clearance!!! I check Cass and this thread almost every other day. I am taking a break before my head explodes.

[co94]

Hey guys, guess what! I got THE CALL today! I swear I had a dream about it last night. SFO international airport.

EOD Feb 2

FLETC Feb 25
Solid,
Thats awesome!!!. I am jealous. Has to be a great feeling.
Good luck, and keep us posted.

[merlin436]

It hasn't been over 20 degrees and snowed daily for almost 2 weeks now

So? It snows in Buffalo nearly every day during the winter and +20 isn't all that cold.

There's no comfy indoors treadmill running when you're testing in Glynco. You'll be running out in whatever nature decides to throw at you most of your time in GA.

Might as well prepare yourself now for it. If you can punch out 5 miles of running in Buffalo today, think of how much easier 5 miles of running at FLETC in April will be.

[usmc2cbp]

Hello,
Great site so far, got a lot of my questions answered. Took the test in Aug and just got sent to scheduling on Dec. 30th with a Geo code in Mich. Right now I am with the Marine reserves on active orders but I can cut them anytime. One question I haven’t seen answered; with those of us with everything in CASS completed and waiting to be scheduled will the vacancy announcements on the 30th help us or will that just get more people into the pipeline?

[barnaj]

So? It snows in Buffalo nearly every day during the winter and +20 isn't all that cold.

There's no comfy indoors treadmill running when you're testing in Glynco. You'll be running out in whatever nature decides to throw at you most of your time in GA.

Might as well prepare yourself now for it. If you can punch out 5 miles of running in Buffalo today, think of how much easier 5 miles of running at FLETC in April will be.

Well that is not entirely accurate. Quite a few times our pt instuctor put us on the treadmill due to weather conditions and/or a change of pace. You are correct though, if you have the weather and the means, you might as well run outside.

[primetime24]

It hasn't been over 20 degrees and snowed daily for almost 2 weeks now

Run outside, if at all possible.

Treadmills are most often the poorest choice between the two.

Yeah man it's a little cold here and the wind where i live, we'll i might as well be running up against both the steelers and ravens defenses at the same time!

Good ole western new york winter!

[barnaj]

I took the test a year ago, finished medical, fitness, drug test. Met with my BI in October. My background and quals are still pending. My BI sat down with me and went through my life with a fine tooth comb. A friend of mine took the test last August, finished everything by November and was hired in December and started at his port this month, goes to Fletc in two weeks! I met with my BI for 3-4 hours; he met with his for 45 minutes. I don’t get it. I have a really clean background, and my buddy is a little shady and I definitely thought he was going to have to explain some of his past in more detail. Actually, I didn’t think he would get the job. I am losing my patience with this thing. This whole hiring process is a crap shoot. Did I mention that I already work for DHS and have a clearance!!! I check Cass and this thread almost every other day. I am taking a break before my head explodes.

You are correct my friend, it is all a crapshoot. I dont care what some people on this site or other sites might say about all these timelines and expected processing times. You now know first hand that it just goes by your investigator and by luck of the draw. Like anything else in life, some BI's might be more laid back than others and more apt to give someone a break and write a good report and not just fixating on one screwup in their life. And others may take a more than qualified candidate and pick them apart until they find something bad about their past.

[ENSNIPE507]

Does Anyone Know Who Sends Out Nopa's? Is It From MHC Or Where Else. Also What Does IA Stand For? Thanks for everyones help.

[merlin436]

Yeah man it's a little cold here and the wind where i live, we'll i might as well be running up against both the steelers and ravens defenses at the same time!

Good ole western new york winter!

I grew up in the Adirondacks. I have lots of relatives in places like Fulton, Oswego and Watertown. I know all too well what lake-effect snow is and how crappy NNY weather can be.

Still, there's nothing stopping you from running in it other than your head. If you dress appropriately for the cold weather, there's little to worry about.

Heck it's easier to workout in the cold than in the heat. Waste heat can kill you in the summer, it shouldn't be much of a problem in the winter.

[NAL06]

So? It snows in Buffalo nearly every day during the winter and +20 isn't all that cold.

There's no comfy indoors treadmill running when you're testing in Glynco. You'll be running out in whatever nature decides to throw at you most of your time in GA.

Might as well prepare yourself now for it. If you can punch out 5 miles of running in Buffalo today, think of how much easier 5 miles of running at FLETC in April will be.

I wasn't trying to start an argument, just stating fact that its been pretty brutal the last few weeks. Obviously the elements in Buffalo wouldn't be nearly as bad as what we'd be up against at FLETC, so it would be good practice. Usually its the not cold I worry about, rather the un-shoveled sidewalks and icy conditions in the street..that's not even taking into account the wind chill. Needless to say, the thought of weather in Glynco doesn't particularly scare me.

[barnaj]

Does Anyone Know Who Sends Out Nopa's? Is It From MHC Or Where Else. Also What Does IA Stand For? Thanks for everyones help.

IA is Internal Affairs. The NOPA's come from the security personnel who are reviewing your file. Are you expecting one?

[merlin436]

Well that is not entirely accurate. Quite a few times our pt instuctor put us on the treadmill due to weather conditions and/or a change of pace. You are correct though, if you have the weather and the means, you might as well run outside.


I was on the treadmill once while there...I think.

As I see it, there's little chance of seeing much for black-flagging at FLETC before June. That likely means anyone heading down that way anytime between now and March is probably going to be spending a least a few good months outside on the track or the trails.

[NYBob]

Hey NY Guys,

I am currently in the process of waiting... I have finished all of my requirements, I am just waiting on them to update in CASS. When I selected my geo pref I picked Syracuse, Rochester, and Buffalo. Any idea of the chances I might get Syracuse? That's where I currently live and while Buffalo is a bigger city and not all that far I would like to stay around here if at all possible.

[primetime24]

I grew up in the Adirondacks. I have lots of relatives in places like Fulton, Oswego and Watertown. I know all too well what lake-effect snow is and how crappy NNY weather can be.

Still, there's nothing stopping you from running in it other than your head. If you dress appropriately for the cold weather, there's little to worry about.

Heck it's easier to workout in the cold than in the heat. Waste heat can kill you in the summer, it shouldn't be much of a problem in the winter.

I see visions of Rocky in my near future! haha

[barnaj]

I was on the treadmill once while there...I think.

As I see it, there's little chance of seeing much for black-flagging at FLETC before June. That likely means anyone heading down that way anytime between now and March is probably going to be spending a least a few good months outside on the track or the trails.

Yeah i was there June, July, August. Insert the song "the heat is on" here!
Track i could deal with, but those trails with the red ants and mosquitos i could go the rest of my life without!

[primetime24]

Hey NY Guys,

I am currently in the process of waiting... I have finished all of my requirements, I am just waiting on them to update in CASS. When I selected my geo pref I picked Syracuse, Rochester, and Buffalo. Any idea of the chances I might get Syracuse? That's where I currently live and while Buffalo is a bigger city and not all that far I would like to stay around here if at all possible.


Not sure what possibilities would be, I thought I read somewhere that western new york(buffalo) included areas as far west as syracuse, but i dont' know where your would be placed, ... Anyone else got any idea?

[merlin436]

I wasn't trying to start an argument, just stating fact that its been pretty brutal the last few weeks. Obviously the elements in Buffalo wouldn't be nearly as bad as what we'd be up against at FLETC, so it would be good practice. Usually its the not cold I worry about, rather the un-shoveled sidewalks and icy conditions in the street..that's not even taking into account the wind chill. Needless to say, the thought of weather in Glynco doesn't particularly scare me.

I'm not trying to start an argument either, I'm just saying running outside during the winter can be done fairly easily and in the long run is more beneficial.

[ENSNIPE507]

Reason I'm asking is because I received a letter in the mail but never got to see it because the damn mail man lost it when he returned it to the post office. Right now I am not expecting any mail from anyone and especially not a letter so only thing I'm thinking it could be is something having to do with the CBPO application process. I have had it out with the post office and they said they will call me when it comes up if it comes up. Now I called MHC yesterday to see what they can tell me and she said that everything on my profile looked fine and that there were no bullets nor notes on my profile and I mentioned the word Nopa to her and she never heard of it. I just basically wanted to know who issues the NOPA'S if not MHC or if MHC would know or be notified if a nopa was issued or if the candidate was found unsuitable for employment. By the way I met with the BI Nov 5 2008. Thanks guy's

[NAL06]

I'm not trying to start an argument either, I'm just saying running outside during the winter can be done fairly easily and in the long run is more beneficial.

Agreed. I know someone in the NYSP Academy in Albany, and they run upwards of 3 miles a day out in whatever weather Mother Nature has planned for that day.

[merlin436]

Hey NY Guys,

I am currently in the process of waiting... I have finished all of my requirements, I am just waiting on them to update in CASS. When I selected my geo pref I picked Syracuse, Rochester, and Buffalo. Any idea of the chances I might get Syracuse? That's where I currently live and while Buffalo is a bigger city and not all that far I would like to stay around here if at all possible.


Syracuse is possible, but not real likely...especially for a new hire. Syracuse is fairly small, as is Rochester. The chances of them needing new people are going to be slim and if they do have an opening...most likely it'll be someone coming in from Buffalo or elsewhere that's going to fill it.

No harm in asking though. Just don't hold your breath over it.

[yoda]

Reason I'm asking is because I received a letter in the mail but never got to see it because the damn mail man lost it when he returned it to the post office. Right now I am not expecting any mail from anyone and especially not a letter so only thing I'm thinking it could be is something having to do with the CBPO application process. I have had it out with the post office and they said they will call me when it comes up if it comes up. Now I called MHC yesterday to see what they can tell me and she said that everything on my profile looked fine and that there were no bullets nor notes on my profile and I mentioned the word Nopa to her and she never heard of it. I just basically wanted to know who issues the NOPA'S if not MHC or if MHC would know or be notified if a nopa was issued or if the candidate was found unsuitable for employment. By the way I met with the BI Nov 5 2008. Thanks guy's
MHC knows nothing about and doesn't deal with "security" issues, that is handled by Security Personnel/Internal Affairs in DC. NOPA's (Notice Of Proposed Action) are sent out Certified Mail with delivery confirmation (someone has to sign for it) so that they know you received the letter and can't claim you never got it. Now your mailman can see that it is coming from DHS to you, it would be extremely negligent on his part to "loose" such letter.

[NAL06]

How long should it take for it to change from complete (all parts) to letting me know that I'm in TSU?...They just went complete yesterday morning.

[ENSNIPE507]

MHC knows nothing about and doesn't deal with "security" issues, that is handled by Security Personnel/Internal Affairs in DC. NOPA's (Notice Of Proposed Action) are sent out Certified Mail with delivery confirmation (someone has to sign for it) so that they know you received the letter and can't claim you never got it. Now your mailman can see that it is coming from DHS to you, it would be extremely negligent on his part to "loose" such letter.

Thanks YODA. Now in a situation where It was a Nopa and the mail man did loose the letter who would I contact. Thanks Guys.

[barnaj]

Thanks YODA. Now in a situation where It was a Nopa and the mail man did loose the letter who would I contact. Thanks Guys.

I would call the CASS hotline and leave a message. Maybe they can direct it to the right personnel. At least thats something, you have to try so you dont get screwed.

[yoda]

Thanks YODA. Now in a situation where It was a Nopa and the mail man did loose the letter who would I contact. Thanks Guys.

If the letter was never confirmed, or if it was sent back to the sender, you should get another one. As to who to contact, being that you're running on an assumption, can't help you there. You just have to wait and see if your mailman gets a hold on it or if you get it sent back to you... whatever it is.
If you haven't cleared your BI by May let me know.

[merlin436]

I see visions of Rocky in my near future! haha

Well...Rocky would have had little problems at FLETC.

As I see it, there's little an applicant can do to prepare for FLETC...outside of getting into shape. The better shape you're in, the easier the physical part of the program is going to be. The guy going in who can do 12 chin-ups, 100 sit-ups and 100 push-ups is going to coast through the program, the guy coming in who's doing 2 chin-ups, 20 push-ups and 20 sit-ups is going to struggle pretty much the whole time.

Why make it a struggle if you don't need to? A few months of pre-FLETC workouts can make all the difference between being slightly uncomfortable during the academy and finishing up in serious pain, between graduating in the top 15% of the class or heading back to your port injured and/or possibly being out of a job. Why risk it?

[ifoCBP]

You are correct my friend, it is all a crapshoot. I dont care what some people on this site or other sites might say about all these timelines and expected processing times. You now know first hand that it just goes by your investigator and by luck of the draw. Like anything else in life, some BI's might be more laid back than others and more apt to give someone a break and write a good report and not just fixating on one screwup in their life. And others may take a more than qualified candidate and pick them apart until they find something bad about their past.

By the way, my friend is the last person you would think would be hired by law enforcement. He's applied to local and state police agencies and always kicked out during the background process. For some reason he passed CBP.
Seriously, it's a crap shoot. I was in the army, have a college diploma, already work for DHS, my background is clean. Crap shoot!!!

[NYBob]

Syracuse is possible, but not real likely...especially for a new hire. Syracuse is fairly small, as is Rochester. The chances of them needing new people are going to be slim and if they do have an opening...most likely it'll be someone coming in from Buffalo or elsewhere that's going to fill it.

No harm in asking though. Just don't hold your breath over it.

Thanks, here's for hoping...

[merlin436]

Thanks, here's for hoping...


For what it's worth...I've seen straight hires into Albany, which sort of amazed me. I would have expected someone from Champlain to get there first.

So it might be more than possible.

Ever think about A-Bay? It's got to be a bit closer than Buffalo.

[usmc2cbp]

Well...Rocky would have had little problems at FLETC.

As I see it, there's little an applicant can do to prepare for FLETC...outside of getting into shape. The better shape you're in, the easier the physical part of the program is going to be. The guy going in who can do 12 chin-ups, 100 sit-ups and 100 push-ups is going to coast through the program, the guy coming in who's doing 2 chin-ups, 20 push-ups and 20 sit-ups is going to struggle pretty much the whole time.

Why make it a struggle if you don't need to? A few months of pre-FLETC workouts can make all the difference between being slightly uncomfortable during the academy and finishing up in serious pain, between graduating in the top 15% of the class or heading back to your port injured and/or possibly being out of a job. Why risk it?

In the marines a 18 min 3 mile run (100 pts), 20 pull ups (100 pts) and 100 crunches in 2 min (100 pts) will give you a perfect 300 physical fitness test. What would it take to get a perfect fitness score at FLETC for CBP?

[barnaj]

In the marines a 18 min 3 mile run (100 pts), 20 pull ups (100 pts) and 100 crunches in 2 min (100 pts) will give you a perfect 300 physical fitness test. What would it take to get a perfect fitness score at FLETC for CBP?

There is no perfect score. There is however, like a wall of fame with all the FLETC fitness records. Not sure what they are at the moment though.

[usmc2cbp]

There is no perfect score. There is however, like a wall of fame with all the FLETC fitness records. Not sure what they are at the moment though.

Then does fitness determine your class ranking?

[barnaj]

Then does fitness determine your class ranking?

Well, there is like an academic award and some kind of overall award that they look at all your areas and scores, etc. and if you meet them all you get some certificate. Nothing to be concerned with though, just want to pass everything and get home!

[DLA]

oOOh FLETC fitness records? now that's something i'll be trying to go for.

[barnaj]

oOOh FLETC fitness records? now that's something i'll be trying to go for.

Yeah, its pointless. Unless you just happen to be a track star that can run a 6 minute mile an half without trying and get the record, it's not something anyone shoots for. Except for like the ego maniacs. But all the beer drinkers would rather be doing that!

[NYBob]

For what it's worth...I've seen straight hires into Albany, which sort of amazed me. I would have expected someone from Champlain to get there first.

So it might be more than possible.

Ever think about A-Bay? It's got to be a bit closer than Buffalo.

It honestly never even crossed my mind. I love the area up there though. I would be much happier there I think than Buffalo, that's something to keep in mind, Thanks. :)

[alutins]

What exactly does qualifications mean as far as what they need to check? I though it was just verifying my university...

Also, and perhaps more importantly, TO THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE ALREADY AT FLETC OR HAVE FINISHED AND ARE WORKING FOR CBP:

From the time you were cleared for everything on CASS, how long did it take you to get an official offer and starting date?

Thanks.

[kc12]

Then does fitness determine your class ranking?

There are awards for top gun, highest test average (over 95%), highest overall average (over 90%), and one for fitness but I don't recall the requirements. I missed highest overall average by .37 points. That worked out to one question on a test, two more bullets in the 5 ring or 15 seconds on the run. I brain farted on questions (miss read the question), miss marked one answer and was led astray by an evil classmate from a discussion the night before (not really but the wrong answer stuck in my head from the night before), I miss counted my bullets twice (at the 25 yard line), and I slacked off the last 100 feet of the run. I still kick myself in the butt.

[yoda]

What exactly does qualifications mean as far as what they need to check? I though it was just verifying my university...

Also, and perhaps more importantly, TO THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE ALREADY AT FLETC OR HAVE FINISHED AND ARE WORKING FOR CBP:

From the time you were cleared for everything on CASS, how long did it take you to get an official offer and starting date?

Thanks.
Qualifications is one of the last things they check off, usually done when your Background is completed, some get it cleared quick and some as the last thing... as always, it's a crap shoot!... And yes if it's a degree then your transcripts and/or your diploma is all they need.

As to being referred to TSU and getting the call depends on your POE (Geo Pref) if it's a POE in need of lots of people your wait in next to none, on the other hand you might stuck in TSU for months on end waiting for a slot to open.

[yoda]

double post

[prod]

Right here. 4 years active duty air force and 2+ yrs in the national guard.

[prod]

Cool thats good to know. i got 7 in the marines and getting out in 10 months. i've been looking none stop at USAJobs for openings in FL but nothing. i figure i'd should apply while i'm still in since i've seen how long it takes everyone. what state are you applying for?

[prod]

I would like to ask a few questions because I am waiting for TSU for the Miami area. Is the airport better than the seaport and what are your hours and days off? How is the staff? And what are the best places to stay in Miami since I will be moving down from Chicago. Any response will be greatly appreciated. Thanks

[yoda]

Cool thats good to know. i got 7 in the marines and getting out in 10 months. i've been looking none stop at USAJobs for openings in FL but nothing. i figure i'd should apply while i'm still in since i've seen how long it takes everyone. what state are you applying for?
Last open period in Nov 08' Florida was available as a Geo Pref. , maybe in the new one coming at the end of Jan it'll be an option as well.

[prod]

great questions i too been wondering the same if anyone can shead some light on that. i personaly would like to work at the sea port but idk what the pace there is like, i figured MIA would be busy as hell since is such a big entry point. what about Fort Lauderdale Int? also if anyone knows anything about Marine interdiction thats what my goal is or K9. i know for k9 you have to be GS11 and its a special duty. there a few CBPO that come to my warehouse in MCAS YUMA, AZ to practice and its freaking awsome watching them train! been a german shepard owner and all. i have this questions to them but been the fact that we're in the middle of the desert they have no clue.

[prod]

Last open period in Nov 08' Florida was available as a Geo Pref. , maybe in the new one coming at the end of Jan it'll be an option as well.

[prod]

what! really? damn... well i think i still have to much time left in my contract... 9 months actaully... well ive been looking at USA jobs and i havent seen anything.

[yoda]

great questions i too been wondering the same if anyone can shead some light on that. i personaly would like to work at the sea port but idk what the pace there is like, i figured MIA would be busy as hell since is such a big entry point. what about Fort Lauderdale Int? also if anyone knows anything about Marine interdiction thats what my goal is or K9. i know for k9 you have to be GS11 and its a special duty. there a few CBPO that come to my warehouse in MCAS YUMA, AZ to practice and its freaking awsome watching them train! been a german shepard owner and all. i have this questions to them but been the fact that we're in the middle of the desert they have no clue.
First, hit the quote button and answer in the same message.....

Now,
Florida has 2 Geo Preferences:
A) Florida -All other Locations
B) Florida- Miami

Miami Geo Pref covers MIA, Sea Port, Keys and I think Port Everglades, the rest falls under the other preference. Marine Interdiction is separate from CBPO, you go directly into it if you meet the qualifications for it (read up on it at cbp.gov). Sea Ports are more of a 9 to 5 job type, as in a more structured schedule (less OT to be had) and more time to spend with the Family. Busy Airports or Border Crossings (lots of OT) irregular schedule and less time off. There are many opportunities to select which way you want to specialize once you hit GS-11, but you have to wait until then...
Go to cbp.gov and then go to careers, you'll see which ones are hiring at this time or find out any information you want.

[s0lid snake]

Anyone in class 932? Feb 26?

[s0lid snake]

How long should it take for it to change from complete (all parts) to letting me know that I'm in TSU?...They just went complete yesterday morning.


Mine went to TSU the same morning that I got the call so who knows. :D

[sd_girl03]

Congrats Solid. Luckily you ;)

I am new to the Law Enforcement industry and wanted to know if there are any other LE positions that I can apply for that is entry-level besides CBPO?

Test: AUg. 18, 2008
NOR: San Diego
TO:Jan 7th, 2008

everything else pending

[audi0xpl0de]

Congrats Solid. Luckily you ;)

I am new to the Law Enforcement industry and wanted to know if there are any other LE positions that I can apply for that is entry-level besides CBPO?

Test: AUg. 18, 2008
NOR: San Diego
TO:Jan 7th, 2008

everything else pending

Are you looking for strictly federal because you can apply to any local or state agency.

[DLA]

Congrats Solid. Luckily you ;)

I am new to the Law Enforcement industry and wanted to know if there are any other LE positions that I can apply for that is entry-level besides CBPO?

Test: AUg. 18, 2008
NOR: San Diego
TO:Jan 7th, 2008

everything else pending

well the county of san diego is currently on a hiring freeze since december 08 i think, but they should pick up again soon. county sheriff's LE/detentions are entry level. so is any local pd. i think SD harbor police just recently had their test over the weekend or it's this coming weekend. correctional deputy probation officer for the county is also entry level. border patrol is hiring like crazy still for socal and their process takes 3-6 months total. my roommate got picked up in 4 months and i've read in BP forums of people getting hired for san diego and chula vista in just 3 months. but yeah.. there's tons of entry level out there, you just gotta look around.

[sd_girl03]

Since San Diego is on a hiring freeze; when do you think they will pick up again? Does anyone know? They will still go through the process of getting our stuff process though right?

[Hound77]

Damn I used to handle Florida customers for my company (I work in a maritime related industry.) I can't believe they make you apply for Florida other if you want a job in Jacksonville or Tampa say.

I mean to go through all of this to get a job in Jacksonville only to get Pensacola or Manatee would be gawd awful.

[DLA]

Since San Diego is on a hiring freeze; when do you think they will pick up again? Does anyone know? They will still go through the process of getting our stuff process though right?

well here is the website (if posting websites is not allowed i can edit this post):
http://agency.governmentjobs.com/sdcounty/default.cfm

it looks like CDPO and sheriff cadet positions are on there, so i don't think it would hurt to apply.

oh and the IRS is hiring revenue officers nationwide, and the start date for the job says june 8, 09. but i think it starts at the gs-7 level. here's the link:
http://federalgovernmentjobs.us/jobs/Revenue-Officer-1437995.html?utm_source=SearchAgent&utm_medium=email

[prod]

First, hit the quote button and answer in the same message.....

Now,
Florida has 2 Geo Preferences:
A) Florida -All other Locations
B) Florida- Miami

Miami Geo Pref covers MIA, Sea Port, Keys and I think Port Everglades, the rest falls under the other preference. Marine Interdiction is separate from CBPO, you go directly into it if you meet the qualifications for it (read up on it at cbp.gov). Sea Ports are more of a 9 to 5 job type, as in a more structured schedule (less OT to be had) and more time to spend with the Family. Busy Airports or Border Crossings (lots of OT) irregular schedule and less time off. There are many opportunities to select which way you want to specialize once you hit GS-11, but you have to wait until then...
Go to cbp.gov and then go to careers, you'll see which ones are hiring at this time or find out any information you want.


OOPS... sorry for the double post kainda new at this. wow that's actually what I was looking to hear. I didn't get a lot of school done in the marines giving the deployments and what not so I this port definitely would be good although OT is also good. one gs11 k9 that was spoke with made almost 90k two years ago... and that's port entry Algodones in Yuma az. down side no time with fam. a lot of my marines want me to stay but seriously I work (no bs) almost 10-12 hours days, some times even more. so I'm just tired of working dumb *** hours and not seen at least the difference on my check... to me that makes it worth it. don't get me wrong I love the core and its been fun but CBPO/BP seem to have similar benefits (i.e. leave, work hours, not so much medical and education but other things are alike) CBPO/BP they get paid OT in most places not to mention none comp promotions. The military does not… oh yea did I mention no more deployments...

[sd_girl03]

Thanks a bunch!!!

[nappy1380]

I have a question about the medical. I recently had mine and the doctor discovered I had small cataracts on my right eye. They are not affecting my vision at all and are also on the side of my eye, nowhere near my line of sight. Is that something that could get me rejected? I have 20/20 and passed all eye exams.

[AlmostDone]

I have a question about the medical. I recently had mine and the doctor discovered I had small cataracts on my right eye. They are not affecting my vision at all and are also on the side of my eye, nowhere near my line of sight. Is that something that could get me rejected? I have 20/20 and passed all eye exams.


As long as the doctor has cleared you, you should be fine. Nothing to worry about.

[barnaj]

What exactly does qualifications mean as far as what they need to check? I though it was just verifying my university...

Also, and perhaps more importantly, TO THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE ALREADY AT FLETC OR HAVE FINISHED AND ARE WORKING FOR CBP:

From the time you were cleared for everything on CASS, how long did it take you to get an official offer and starting date?

Thanks.

Went to TSU on CASS on 4-5-07, got called for the job 4-6-07, pre academy 4-30-07, fletc started 5-24-07.

[barnaj]

Cool thats good to know. i got 7 in the marines and getting out in 10 months. i've been looking none stop at USAJobs for openings in FL but nothing. i figure i'd should apply while i'm still in since i've seen how long it takes everyone. what state are you applying for?

The great frozen state of Michigan

[yoda]

Damn I used to handle Florida customers for my company (I work in a maritime related industry.) I can't believe they make you apply for Florida other if you want a job in Jacksonville or Tampa say.

I mean to go through all of this to get a job in Jacksonville only to get Pensacola or Manatee would be gawd awful.

Florida only has a few Big POE's, the rest are small meaning that you get that port if you transfer from within. If you look at the listings of Ports for Florida the majority of them are "FEE" ports meaning very small ports, so if you want Jacksonville or any other port you're interested in when you get the call ask if they have available spots for it, or if there is a chance that you can wait for a spot to open in that port... They might let you wait or they might say take it or leave it...

[alutins]

I was recently contacted by a XXXXXX XXXXX from a xxx-xxx-xxxx number regarding my background info. She said she needed me to explain a few things and gave a fax number of xxx-xxx-xxxx. I compiled 52 pages of documents to support my info (big $ in savings vs. only one person working in household, a dui from 5 years ago).

I faxed in all 52 pages but have yet to hear anything. I called back the same number that she called me from, got a voicemail message for the dept. I left an informative message asking to verify my fax but no-one called me back. I called again 5 days later and left another message and again, no-one has called me back.

The reason I'm a little worried is because she told me I was allowed 30 days to respond. It has been 9 days now and I want to send off a pack of the same documents that I faxed to make sure I beat the 30 day deadline I was given. BUT I have no mailing address, I only have a fax and a landline that doesn't respond.

Has anyone gone through a similar situation? Can anyone provide me with a mailing address for this dept.? The letter says it's from XXXXX XXXX, Personnel Security Division, Office of Internal Affairs.

Thanks for any help you can provide!

[yoda]

alutnis:

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[yoda]

Quick question regarding additional background information.

I was recently contacted by a XXXXXX XXXXX from a xxx-xxx-xxxx number regarding my background info. She said she needed me to explain a few things and gave a fax number of xxx-xxx-xxxx. I compiled 52 pages of documents to support my info (big $ in savings vs. only one person working in household, a dui from 5 years ago).

I faxed in all 52 pages but have yet to hear anything. I called back the same number that she called me from, got a voicemail message for the dept. I left an informative message asking to verify my fax but no-one called me back. I called again 5 days later and left another message and again, no-one has called me back.

The reason I'm a little worried is because she told me I was allowed 30 days to respond. It has been 9 days now and I want to send off a pack of the same documents that I faxed to make sure I beat the 30 day deadline I was given. BUT I have no mailing address, I only have a fax and a landline that doesn't respond.

Has anyone gone through a similar situation? Can anyone provide me with a mailing address for this dept.? The letter says it's from XXXXX XXXX, Personnel Security Division, Office of Internal Affairs.

Thanks for any help you can provide!

EDIT YOUR POST
The EDIT button is right next to the Quote button when Signed on and looking at these posts...
You can't delete the POST itself, but you can edit out the parts that need to be taken out.

[SevenSixTwo]

anyone here prior military thats trying to join up?

Marine Corps

[DLA]

I was recently contacted by a XXXXXX XXXXX from a xxx-xxx-xxxx number regarding my background info. She said she needed me to explain a few things and gave a fax number of xxx-xxx-xxxx. I compiled 52 pages of documents to support my info (big $ in savings vs. only one person working in household, a dui from 5 years ago).

I faxed in all 52 pages but have yet to hear anything. I called back the same number that she called me from, got a voicemail message for the dept. I left an informative message asking to verify my fax but no-one called me back. I called again 5 days later and left another message and again, no-one has called me back.

The reason I'm a little worried is because she told me I was allowed 30 days to respond. It has been 9 days now and I want to send off a pack of the same documents that I faxed to make sure I beat the 30 day deadline I was given. BUT I have no mailing address, I only have a fax and a landline that doesn't respond.

Has anyone gone through a similar situation? Can anyone provide me with a mailing address for this dept.? The letter says it's from XXXXX XXXX, Personnel Security Division, Office of Internal Affairs.

Thanks for any help you can provide!

i was contact by a BI after the BI that interviewed me already sent it over. he told me that all he needed was a copy of my mother's naturalization papers and to fax it over and my BI would be good to go. this was around december 20-23ish and my BI still hasn't cleared.

[s0lid snake]

Hey guys, so I have been doing some "research" and it seems that the firearms qualification is one of the hardest part at FLETC.

[JLnSOCAL]

any one recieve a call for san diego
or any other sw geo preff

[JLnSOCAL]

any one recieve a call for san diego
or any other sw geo preff

[JLnSOCAL]

any one recieve a call for san diego
or any other sw geo preff:eekrolleyes:

[nappy1380]

As long as the doctor has cleared you, you should be fine. Nothing to worry about.

Thanks. I appreciate the help.

[barnaj]

Hey guys, so I have been doing some "research" and it seems that the firearms qualification is one of the hardest part at FLETC.

Not really. Just listen to the intructors and relax. Besides that, they have made the course much easier than it used to be recently.

[co94]

Hey guys, so I have been doing some "research" and it seems that the firearms qualification is one of the hardest part at FLETC.
where did you get that info and where can i find out more about it?

[JDNoble81]

After reading a lot of this forum and the other one, I've noticed that in most BI's which require a NOPA, the applicant is waiting up to year to be issued one. Two of my former co-workers at TSA waited 12 months & 16 months from the BI interview and received theirs at the same time. Its unreal how one ridculously minor issue that would take a mere paragraph or a faxing of a single document could push back an entire investigation to up to year or more.

Its amazing. Almost as amazing as last night's episode of LOST.

[ENSNIPE507]

This Is For All Who Have Recieved Nopa's. Who The Hell Sends These Things Out? What Department? Who Do You Send A Response To? Thanks To All Who Can Help.

[audi0xpl0de]

This Is For All Who Have Recieved Nopa's. Who The Hell Sends These Things Out? What Department? Who Do You Send A Response To? Thanks To All Who Can Help.

You keep posting, but this has been answered several times. Please read the thread.

[ENSNIPE507]

You keep posting, but this has been answered several times. Please read the thread.

[primetime24]

pg 285 - 286

[barnaj]

This Is For All Who Have Recieved Nopa's. Who The Hell Sends These Things Out? What Department? Who Do You Send A Response To? Thanks To All Who Can Help.

Man, if i new the answer i'd give it to you. But, i have not gotten one so dont want to give you the wrong info. Unless you actually get one, dont stress on it. If come to find out, the mail man dropped it between the seats, CBP will see that you never signed for it and you'll get a fair shake.

[NAL06]

Well everyone I got the call today:
EOD 2/9
FLETC 3/4

Thanks everyone for the support and for answering so many questions.

[Hound77]

I just got a call from the college I graduated from, they were dialing for dollars. Their ****ing number came up as "unknown" just like the hiring center. I damn near ripped the poor girls head off.

Six working days of employment left then this job goes bye bye. Been in TSU since August for Newark, christ I hope they call in the next week. Not exactly and easy time to find a temp job.

[Hound77]

So about this pistol CBP uses. I've got a decent amount of experience with firearms. Not a sniper by any means but I'm not a horrible shot. I keep hearing about the weird action on the CBP pistol, is it THAT different? There are gun shops that let you try out any model for a fee, is it worth finding a CBP style P2000 just to run some rounds through? Or is it being blown up to more of an issue than it really is?

I fail to see how a modified trigger pull could really screw people up THAT much.

[primetime24]

Well everyone I got the call today:
EOD 2/9
FLETC 3/4

Thanks everyone for the support and for answering so many questions.

Congrats! see you there!

[barnaj]

So about this pistol CBP uses. I've got a decent amount of experience with firearms. Not a sniper by any means but I'm not a horrible shot. I keep hearing about the weird action on the CBP pistol, is it THAT different? There are gun shops that let you try out any model for a fee, is it worth finding a CBP style P2000 just to run some rounds through? Or is it being blown up to more of an issue than it really is?

I fail to see how a modified trigger pull could really screw people up THAT much.

No its just a longer trigger pull. You'll be used to it in no time.

[barnaj]

Well everyone I got the call today:
EOD 2/9
FLETC 3/4

Thanks everyone for the support and for answering so many questions.

My boy Tony works in Buffalo. Aint seen him since fletc, but he's a funny dude.

[verbalkint4]

Don't worry, CBP will teach you everything you need to know about your duty weapon. You'll put more then a few round through it while your at the academy so you'll have no problem getting used to it. Just don't pick up any bad habits before the academy and you'll probably do just fine.

So about this pistol CBP uses. I've got a decent amount of experience with firearms. Not a sniper by any means but I'm not a horrible shot. I keep hearing about the weird action on the CBP pistol, is it THAT different? There are gun shops that let you try out any model for a fee, is it worth finding a CBP style P2000 just to run some rounds through? Or is it being blown up to more of an issue than it really is?

I fail to see how a modified trigger pull could really screw people up THAT much.

[girly]

I fail to see how a modified trigger pull could really screw people up THAT much.

I have fired a CBP gun at the range, my other friend has a 40 caliber that I also shot and there is a significant difference in the trigger mechanism. It is something to get used to since it has a long trigger pull, and my other friends had a easy pull. I was more on with the easy pull than the cbp one.
My friend recommended me to not fire no more until I get to flect so that I recieve the proper training since beside that day I have never fired a weapon before, I will say I enjoyed it more than I though:D

[NAL06]

Thanks. Does the P2000 come with those different sized hand grips as shown on the H & K website? Also, does it come with a lock box?

[JRizEJ6]

i just got back from my VBT. ugh. i feel like i bombed it. not bombed but after going through it and thinking back on the various scenarios i realized that i left out some details in the responses or i could have said a lot more. i hope i pass :(

[co94]

I just got a call from the college I graduated from, they were dialing for dollars. Their ****ing number came up as "unknown" just like the hiring center. I damn near ripped the poor girls head off.

Six working days of employment left then this job goes bye bye. Been in TSU since August for Newark, christ I hope they call in the next week. Not exactly and easy time to find a temp job.
Hound,
I am right there with you. Hope you get that call soon. What is your current job, that it will end in 6 days? What the **** is up with Newark?!!?!?!?!

[co94]

Well everyone I got the call today:
EOD 2/9
FLETC 3/4

Thanks everyone for the support and for answering so many questions.

Congrats! Good Luck and hope to see you there.

[yoda]

i just got back from my VBT. ugh. i feel like i bombed it. not bombed but after going through it and thinking back on the various scenarios i realized that i left out some details in the responses or i could have said a lot more. i hope i pass :(
Relax...
Most of us felt awkward and were unsure of our performances, but as long as you used common sense you'll be fine. Remember you can't discuss the contents of the VBT...

[barnaj]

Thanks. Does the P2000 come with those different sized hand grips as shown on the H & K website? Also, does it come with a lock box?

After a few times at the range, you can request a different size grip. They will accomodate you and replace it and then that'll be the grip that stays on your H&K.

[NAL06]

After a few times at the range, you can request a different size grip. They will accomodate you and replace it and then that'll be the grip that stays on your H&K.

Ok, so the one you use there is "yours?" And about the lockbox?

[s0lid snake]

where did you get that info and where can i find out more about it?


Hey guys, I got my info from this forum:

http://forums.delphiforums.com/customsinspect/messages


There are quite a few post about people not passing the firearms.


I haven't posted on that forum but from reading it...be advised...the people on that forum aren't as nice as the people here. haha.

[s0lid snake]

Well everyone I got the call today:
EOD 2/9
FLETC 3/4

Thanks everyone for the support and for answering so many questions.


Nice! I will see you in FLETC. :D

[NAL06]

I haven't posted on that forum but from reading it...be advised...the people on that forum aren't as nice as the people here. haha.

I have posted there, and those guys definitely don't play. A lot of CBPO's on there, and I respect that they give you the hard truth...no "ifs" or "buts."

[NAL06]

Nice! I will see you in FLETC. :D

See you there!!

[FOBOPS]

Congrats to all of you that have gotten the call over the past few days. I've read through probably 75% of the pages on here and I'm trying to see if there is a pattern regarding when the drug screen is done - is it at a random time or does it appear to be close to the beginning or end of the whole process? Anyone have an opinion?

[audi0xpl0de]

Congrats to all of you that have gotten the call over the past few days. I've read through probably 75% of the pages on here and I'm trying to see if there is a pattern regarding when the drug screen is done - is it at a random time or does it appear to be close to the beginning or end of the whole process? Anyone have an opinion?

Random. Mine was right in the middle.

[s0lid snake]

Congrats to all of you that have gotten the call over the past few days. I've read through probably 75% of the pages on here and I'm trying to see if there is a pattern regarding when the drug screen is done - is it at a random time or does it appear to be close to the beginning or end of the whole process? Anyone have an opinion?


Random but I think a lot of the time it is after the VBT.

[kc12]

Ok, so the one you use there is "yours?" And about the lockbox?

You receive all required equipment to secure your firearm at your port. Believe it or not the only required locking device is a strap that goes through the magazine well. You will also receive a lock box for when you go TDY so the pistol can be secured in your hotel room, but you still have to use the locking strap.

[NAL06]

You receive all required equipment to secure your firearm at your port. Believe it or not the only required locking device is a strap that goes through the magazine well. You will also receive a lock box for when you go TDY so the pistol can be secured in your hotel room, but you still have to use the locking strap.

Thanks, but what is TDY? As per the drug screen, mine was last.

[Hound77]

Thanks, but what is TDY? As per the drug screen, mine was last.

Temporary Duty, working somewhere other than your home port for a set period of time.

[ni86]

Just a quick question
What does it mean when CASS shows my case is in the security office?

[barnaj]

Just a quick question
What does it mean when CASS shows my case is in the security office?

It means, your going to be driven crazy for the next few months. It means Washington got your security forms and they are "in the security office". Have fun waiting!

[barnaj]

Ok, so the one you use there is "yours?" And about the lockbox?

Yeah the pistol you get issued and use for every firearms session is the one you'll have back at the port.

[waiting.waiting]

Congrat. to all who got that call but becareful not to quit your job early.

[USCG 2 NYPD]

For those that received " The Call ", do they give you one choice or several?

[lscislo]

It means, your going to be driven crazy for the next few months. It means Washington got your security forms and they are "in the security office". Have fun waiting!

So to add to this posters question, does this mean that the BI is almost finished and waiting on approval or that it has just begun?

[s0lid snake]

hey to those that have already been working as a cbpo....did you join the union?

[qixfeet]

hey to those that have already been working as a cbpo....did you join the union?

Yes

[yoda]

So to add to this posters question, does this mean that the BI is almost finished and waiting on approval or that it has just begun?
Apparently you have not read the thread or followed any of the BI discussions.
If it turned to "in the security office" on CASS and you have not met your BI... it means the process has just begun. It takes about 3 to 6 months after meeting your Background Investigator for your BI to clear, that is unless they run into some issues in which case it'll take way longer...
It's been 13 months since I met my Investigator and I'm still waiting to clear!...

[s0lid snake]

Yes


May I ask what are the pros and cons of joining a union for cbp?

[cby]

Apparently you have not read the thread or followed any of the BI discussions.
If it turned to "in the security office" on CASS and you have not met your BI... it means the process has just begun. It takes about 3 to 6 months after meeting your Background Investigator for your BI to clear, that is unless they run into some issues in which case it'll take way longer...
It's been 13 months since I met my Investigator and I'm still waiting to clear!...

I met with my BI in October she forwarded my case to Washington now they are asking for more info Yoda did they ask you to provide more info?

[verbalkint4]

hey to those that have already been working as a cbpo....did you join the union?

No......

[pheonix]

I have fired a CBP gun at the range, my other friend has a 40 caliber that I also shot and there is a significant difference in the trigger mechanism. It is something to get used to since it has a long trigger pull, and my other friends had a easy pull. I was more on with the easy pull than the cbp one.
My friend recommended me to not fire no more until I get to flect so that I recieve the proper training since beside that day I have never fired a weapon before, I will say I enjoyed it more than I though:D
I would have to agree with you on this fact. The trigger pull on this firearm was a little touchy when I fired also.

[pheonix]

Interesting , I heard from the rumor mill that here in Michigan there were 5 positions opened at the Port Huron crossing just recently 3 people took them 2 declined. So that means there are 2 spots up for grabs. I wish the best of luck to those waiting in Michigan. Also I didnt realize this but once they have your BI complete and in thier office they dont go and dig for more info for another 5yrs. UNLESS something comes up after they have recieved you packet. Any thought on this.

[barnaj]

Interesting , I heard from the rumor mill that here in Michigan there were 5 positions opened at the Port Huron crossing just recently 3 people took them 2 declined. So that means there are 2 spots up for grabs. I wish the best of luck to those waiting in Michigan. Also I didnt realize this but once they have your BI complete and in thier office they dont go and dig for more info for another 5yrs. UNLESS something comes up after they have recieved you packet. Any thought on this.

I wish they'd call me. I'd love to take PH.

[NAL06]

For those that received " The Call ", do they give you one choice or several?

For me it was only one choice. I'm from Buffalo and that's what I was offered, so a second choice wasn't necessary

[co94]

For me it was only one choice. I'm from Buffalo and that's what I was offered, so a second choice wasn't necessary
do they let you choose from more than one EOD/FLETC schedul?.

[primetime24]

do they let you choose from more than one EOD/FLETC schedul?.


I was able to push start date back a week due to the fact i wanted to give 2 weeks at my current job.

EOD starts monday!

[co94]

I was able to push start date back a week due to the fact i wanted to give 2 weeks at my current job.

EOD starts monday!
Congrats to you and good luck!

[code 09]

Joda,

I am sorry to hear you have been waiting for 13 months, I hope I don't have to wait so long and if I do I expect it will be worth it. When you met your BI did you had a second interview or did they ask for more information?

[code 09]

CBY,

It is my understanding they will ask for more information when there is a problem or something is not clear. I recently joined this forum and noticed the BI can take longer depending on your investigator. Have you contact your BI again since your last meeting to ask him or her about your status?

[Hound77]

CBY,

It is my understanding they will ask for more information when there is a problem or something is not clear. I recently joined this forum and noticed the BI can take longer depending on your investigator. Have you contact your BI again since your last meeting to ask him or her about your status?

Your interviewer is only a private contractor who passes along a case file to the central security office folks. I talked to my interviewer once when I realized I'd forgotten to disclose a job I'd had for 17 days in college. But besides that you just sit and wait and wait. They don't want to hear from you.

You're just grist in the mill of government. Nothing to do but wait until your turn comes around.

[girly]

I hope this means that they are going to start calling the people that have been waiting forever,,,, http://thetimesherald.com/article/20090123/NEWS05/90123005 this is the port huron mi local paper, BarNaj I also would love port huron,,, I know that 7 people started about two-three weeks ago. So since this is happening soon Here is crossing our fingers and hoping they call soon.

[aa737mia]

I have fired a CBP gun at the range, my other friend has a 40 caliber that I also shot and there is a significant difference in the trigger mechanism. It is something to get used to since it has a long trigger pull, and my other friends had a easy pull. I was more on with the easy pull than the cbp one.
My friend recommended me to not fire no more until I get to flect so that I recieve the proper training since beside that day I have never fired a weapon before, I will say I enjoyed it more than I though:D

Girly my .02C on Firearms training at FLETC. Did I ever go to FLETC NO. My wife finished FLETC a while back and had problems with the Firearms Qual. The best way to evaluate training programs are evaluated is look at what comes out the other end. What they can and cannot do!

I took her to the range and just watched and asked what she was doing, and thinking. Since she had never fired a gun before all her knowledge was given to her by the FLETC instructors. It was not very good. 99.9% of what they are concerened about is safety (understandable), and 75% of most classes have folks with some weapons experience. Out of the ~25% that have no weapons experience I would bet the failures fall in that group! Its easy to take an ex-military guy and get him through the firearms qual. Does that make you a good instructor?
They rarely provided her constuctive inputs, more like "what are you doing, this is the way you do it...." Not much of the O.K. lets correct this. Lets see your trends are..... What do you see when ....... I always thought Shooters are made not born.


There are 2-3 Really good instuctors that are the exception to this, but there is a problem.

They say don't learn any bad habits and have to unlearn them at FLETC. Well, how you aim, what the site picture is like, how to hold your arms and your stance are all things that can be practiced NOW.

I corrected my wifes, stance, her site picture, her hands, arms virtually everything. She finished with an almost perfect score at re-qual.

Did I do it all NO. Just shooting the gun at FLETC provided a level of comfort with the weapon, but her ability to correct mistakes was never taught to her. The goal of a perfect score was never discussed. The fact that at 3y YOU SHOULD NOT MISS! Weak or Strong hand 1 or 2 misses were acceptable.

I have been through 20+ years of Military training and can say that if I was going to FLETC. I would
a. Rent a HK P2000 at an indoor range
b. Shoot at 3y and 7y one handed (strong and weak)
c. Shoot at 15 yard Weaver stance center mass as a goal
d. Shoot for perfection from day one. Don't accept any hit outside of center mass.

Just my opinion.

[girly]

I am thinking the same we have a 40 cal not a p2000 but we can join the range and get my practice in with that at least, I was a little low and to the left got a few by the bulls eye but not as many as i would like, I will take your advice and practice. Not making it through flect is not acceptable to me.

[NAL06]

do they let you choose from more than one EOD/FLETC schedul?.

They gave me two full weeks notice for EOD and about five weeks for FLETC, personally I couldn't have asked for more.

[aa737mia]

I have a H&K .40 USP Compact that we used. She too was low on almost all her rounds, and had no concept of grouping.

We first fixed the fact that center mass is the goal nothing else. Then we concentrated grouping all shots in the area the size of a saucer.

She couldn't do it. So I put a big X on the target with masking tape and told her to hit it. She couldn't. I then realized her site picture was wrong.

After ~ 50 rounds she could hit the X. I moved it around the target to ensure she was aiming for it all the time.

After that is was simple put the X in the center and hit it ALL THE TIME.

Then remove the X concentrate on the center of the target and continue to force your concentration on the site picture.

Her last practice we shot ~200 rounds and she had 3 off target rounds. All the rest were well wtihin optimum scoring range.

They stress SITE, SITE, SITE at FLETC but that is like saying Don't hit the ground while flying! :confused:

[co94]

They gave me two full weeks notice for EOD and about five weeks for FLETC, personally I couldn't have asked for more.
That is plenty for me. That is all I need too. Now all they have to do is call me....lol.

[yoda]

Yoda,

I am sorry to hear you have been waiting for 13 months, I hope I don't have to wait so long and if I do I expect it will be worth it. When you met your BI did you had a second interview or did they ask for more information?

There are NO second interviews (not that I'm aware of anyways), your investigator might contact you after meeting you to ask for additional information he may have missed on the interview while making his report. Your Investigator is a private contractor who has only a few weeks time to Interview you and your contacts/references, finish his report and send it in to DC. After that it is up to the Adjudicator, if there is nothing that comes up you'll clear in about 3 to 6 months, if something does come up they'll toss your file aside and deal with it when they feel like it. At least that's how it was with me and some other folks in here I helped out. Those who clear before meeting their Investigator or right after meeting the investigator (2 or 3 weeks) are given "interim" clearances, meaning that they look good on paper and nothing really caught their attention and they'll push you through to get hired very quick... The one draw back with this, as it has been happening with a few here is, that after these people get the call and are just a few days from reporting at the port they call them and tell them that something came up as a security concern and that their offer had been withdrawn. Leaving them hanging because they left their jobs already for CBP and now a few days before reporting there is no more CBP, until the issue is resolved and that usually means a NOPA. From then on it all depends on the adjudicator...

[merlin436]

I have been through 20+ years of Military training and can say that if I was going to FLETC. I would
a. Rent a HK P2000 at an indoor range
b. Shoot at 3y and 7y one handed (strong and weak)
c. Shoot at 15 yard Weaver stance center mass as a goal
d. Shoot for perfection from day one. Don't accept any hit outside of center mass.

Just my opinion.


No Weaver stance for CBP/ FLETC. Isoceles stance only.

With all due respect, why are you telling people to show up with shooting habits they're only going to have to unlearn once there?

After graduation one can pretty much shoot however he wants...within reason. While playing on the FLETC playground though, you'll be playing by their rules.

[co94]

Girly my .02C on Firearms training at FLETC. Did I ever go to FLETC NO. My wife finished FLETC a while back and had problems with the Firearms Qual. The best way to evaluate training programs are evaluated is look at what comes out the other end. What they can and cannot do!

I took her to the range and just watched and asked what she was doing, and thinking. Since she had never fired a gun before all her knowledge was given to her by the FLETC instructors. It was not very good. 99.9% of what they are concerened about is safety (understandable), and 75% of most classes have folks with some weapons experience. Out of the ~25% that have no weapons experience I would bet the failures fall in that group! Its easy to take an ex-military guy and get him through the firearms qual. Does that make you a good instructor?
They rarely provided her constuctive inputs, more like "what are you doing, this is the way you do it...." Not much of the O.K. lets correct this. Lets see your trends are..... What do you see when ....... I always thought Shooters are made not born.


There are 2-3 Really good instuctors that are the exception to this, but there is a problem.

They say don't learn any bad habits and have to unlearn them at FLETC. Well, how you aim, what the site picture is like, how to hold your arms and your stance are all things that can be practiced NOW.

I corrected my wifes, stance, her site picture, her hands, arms virtually everything. She finished with an almost perfect score at re-qual.

Did I do it all NO. Just shooting the gun at FLETC provided a level of comfort with the weapon, but her ability to correct mistakes was never taught to her. The goal of a perfect score was never discussed. The fact that at 3y YOU SHOULD NOT MISS! Weak or Strong hand 1 or 2 misses were acceptable.

I have been through 20+ years of Military training and can say that if I was going to FLETC. I would
a. Rent a HK P2000 at an indoor range
b. Shoot at 3y and 7y one handed (strong and weak)
c. Shoot at 15 yard Weaver stance center mass as a goal
d. Shoot for perfection from day one. Don't accept any hit outside of center mass.

Just my opinion.
I agree with Merlin. Also everything you just explained there does not seem that difficult. Better to let them teach you how they want it done. You can modify your own shooting style after Glynco. I was an MP for 3 years and have done the Glynco thing before. Listen to the instructors and you will pass. Then modify after training.

[imlikeaninja]

My VBT is scheduled for monday @ JFK. Anyone have advice besides the standard "keep a customer service mind-frame"? Also is "business casual" acceptable? (ie. nice button down khakis no tie.) Thanks guys and wish me luck.

[yoda]

My VBT is scheduled for monday @ JFK. Anyone have advice besides the standard "keep a customer service mind-frame"? Also is "business casual" acceptable? (ie. nice button down khakis no tie.) Thanks guys and wish me luck.
Besides the "customer service mindset", wear a suit!... That's about it...
Remember they still call it a STRUCTURED INTERVIEW and not a Video Based Test, so it would be best to dress for the job.

[DLA]

i say you don't have to wear a suit. shirt and tie should be ok. stupid me didn't read up on the VBT before going there. i showed up wearing a hooded sweater and jeans. i still passed ;)

[merlin436]

My VBT is scheduled for monday @ JFK. Anyone have advice besides the standard "keep a customer service mind-frame"? Also is "business casual" acceptable? (ie. nice button down khakis no tie.) Thanks guys and wish me luck.

I don't know if I call it a 'customer service mindset'...more like 'special education'.

Ultimately...you're going to have to convince people to do what's needed.

If it takes offering them 5 minutes of ' Dora the Explorer videos' to motivate them to cooperate, then let them 'watch TV'...if by giving them a 'cookie' you can prod them into doing whatever they need to do, hand out 'cookies', at least as long as it's working. If it's not working, try to bring in a supervisor. CBP loves to have their supervisors in the soup, so to speak.

In the end though...if you have to go 'hands on', you gotta go 'hands on'.

[primetime24]

My VBT is scheduled for monday @ JFK. Anyone have advice besides the standard "keep a customer service mind-frame"? Also is "business casual" acceptable? (ie. nice button down khakis no tie.) Thanks guys and wish me luck.

Suit... if not possible shirt and tie, remember people will be watching this to evaluate you.
Treat it like any other job interview that you would go on, dress for success.

[kc12]

I distinctly remember the first day at the range at FLETC the instructor explaining and demonstrating the correct sight alignment. The last I checked everyone has to be an adult when they are hired so something as simple as sight alignment should not have to be repeated. Once on the range, the instructors I had stressed sight alignment and trigger control. After particularly tough shooting days the instructors would remind us of the proper sight alignment and trigger control. The reality is telling us something is just giving theory, it was up to the students to put it into practice.

Given the experience of the class as a whole, the instructors were more concerned with getting the most number of people to qualify, not getting people to qualify expert. The course was a basic class. I have many years experience shooting, both with the military and local PD, and within 10 minutes on the range and instructor noticed something I was doing and told me how to correct it. That one item increased my score to the high 280's. In the real world going through houses and confined spaces it isn't effective, but for target shooting is works.

I agree perfect shooing should be the goal, however when the instructors are dealing with 20-25 students, some who are afraid of firearms, they are pretty much stuck dealing with those who flinch a lot or jerk the trigger to get them to calm down and qualify. It would have been nice if we could have gone and practiced a bit more with the instructors there for one on one time, but it is/was not possible.

[barnaj]

Suit... if not possible shirt and tie, remember people will be watching this to evaluate you.
Treat it like any other job interview that you would go on, dress for success.

I wore a short and tie with a winter coat over it, since it was in January. Good thing because i dont have a suitcoat that fits!

[barnaj]

I distinctly remember the first day at the range at FLETC the instructor explaining and demonstrating the correct sight alignment. The last I checked everyone has to be an adult when they are hired so something as simple as sight alignment should not have to be repeated. Once on the range, the instructors I had stressed sight alignment and trigger control. After particularly tough shooting days the instructors would remind us of the proper sight alignment and trigger control. The reality is telling us something is just giving theory, it was up to the students to put it into practice.

Given the experience of the class as a whole, the instructors were more concerned with getting the most number of people to qualify, not getting people to qualify expert. The course was a basic class. I have many years experience shooting, both with the military and local PD, and within 10 minutes on the range and instructor noticed something I was doing and told me how to correct it. That one item increased my score to the high 280's. In the real world going through houses and confined spaces it isn't effective, but for target shooting is works.

I agree perfect shooing should be the goal, however when the instructors are dealing with 20-25 students, some who are afraid of firearms, they are pretty much stuck dealing with those who flinch a lot or jerk the trigger to get them to calm down and qualify. It would have been nice if we could have gone and practiced a bit more with the instructors there for one on one time, but it is/was not possible.

"Front sight, slow down. Front sight, slow down. Front sight, slow down. Front sight, slow down." Get used to hearing it!

[keith snelgrove]

Keith,

I started my BI on 09/08 and all other items were checked, I met with the investigator on Nov08 and still pending. I called on Dec08 to find out and I was told they need lots of people, not sure if they meant in FL or all of the US. What is your status?

tested on: 12/09/08....unfortunately just starting the process....hopefully florida is in need for a lot and I mean a lot of cbpo.... would love to get rolling

[cart pusher]

My BI was with the Department of Treasury. He met me at my house. He complimented me for dressing in a full suit and tie. He said, a lot of applicants don't dress to impress and that speaks to the integridy of the applicant.

[wmcgalrd]

Most shooting problems are corrected with a change in grip or trigger finger. The slightest change in GOP, or even giving a tad bit more trigger finger can drastically effect where the shot lands. A good instructor can usually see what your doing wrong very quickly and give the right techniques to correct it. Not everyone may use the same grip, ex. both thumb forward which is more advanced, or thumb over thumb which is better for beginners. After you know what works for you, it's all practice, practice, practice. Don't expect to shoot double taps by someone giving you instructions, that skill is acquired from practice.


I am a CHL Instructor and a Firearms Instructor for my agency and WSB_Hunter is absolutely correct. Well put.

[Campbell3923]

There are 11 people in pre academy in Port Huron and I think about 20 people in pre academy at Detroit. So Michigan has done some hiring.

[aa737mia]

WSB Hunter I agree.
It is obvious that I am not a firearms instructor. I never claimed to be.
What I do is take someones current skill set observing what they are doing right and wrong and fixing it.

FLETC firearms instruction as a "whole" is not very good. I know many CBP officers. I know many that have finished in the last few years. Most were military and all said the same thing. Easy to train someone who has experience to shoot. But the majority of folks failing have never done this before. That is a fact.

Now if the instructors don't feel they are there to get everyone to complete training that's new to me. Last I heard Academy's equip students to finish. To say here is what the site looks go get it is ridiculous. Why not just leave the books at the gate, guns at the range and just test eveyone weekly with no instruction? Save a lot of time and money. Only the Adults would finish I guess.


Many good points have been made but the fact still remains, the failures are folks that have very little weapons experience. I have no doubt my wife would have failed also.

So once again anyone going to FLETC that has never shot a gun should go to a range get in a few shooting sessions.

[aa737mia]

I agree with Merlin. Also everything you just explained there does not seem that difficult. Better to let them teach you how they want it done. You can modify your own shooting style after Glynco. I was an MP for 3 years and have done the Glynco thing before. Listen to the instructors and you will pass. Then modify after training.

Perception is the problem. To someone that has little weapons experience even with group instruction many details can affect the outome. All I am saying is that a majority of FLETC instruction (CBPO) leaves out many details. Maybe that is to prevent over thinking??? At the end of the day what is difficult to some may not be to others, but you instruct to the lowest common skill level.

[CBPJRAM]

Heads up! There is a new vacancy announcement coming up on Jan. 30 for CBP Officers. If you have any family or friends that missed out on the last announcement let them know. CBP is recruting current CBP Officers for a TDY to the academy, preparing for high influx of new hires. Good luck to those still waiting for "The Call".:)

[furrball409]

There are 11 people in pre academy in Port Huron and I think about 20 people in pre academy at Detroit. So Michigan has done some hiring.There's about 15 or so of us in pre academy at dtw airport right now. Plus the 25+ coming back from fletc over the next couple months.

[NAL06]

Can somebody without a pistol permit go to a range to shoot? I've held off from paying NY state the $100+ for the permit, because I hoped to qualify by going through an academy.

[s0lid snake]

Hey guys, when you are at FLETC are you allowed to go to the range after class or during the weekend and practice shooting at your own time?

[Stugotz]

Hello,

On average, how long is the CBPO process?

I ask because I'm looking into applying but I want to make sure logistically I can do the process. The story: I'm starting a 6-month reserve sheriff's academy in March. The subsequent field training is 4-6 months. So, I won't be able to leave Los Angeles for the next 10-12 months. If the CBPO process takes a year, there shouldn't be a problem.

Thanks for any help or advice!

[Gringe]

Hello,

On average, how long is the CBPO process?

I ask because I'm looking into applying but I want to make sure logistically I can do the process. The story: I'm starting a 6-month reserve sheriff's academy in March. The subsequent field training is 4-6 months. So, I won't be able to leave Los Angeles for the next 10-12 months. If the CBPO process takes a year, there shouldn't be a problem.

Thanks for any help or advice!

Not too sure... What I do know is that on Jan 30th, the announcement will open for CBPO on usajobs.gov.

[blk98gt]

Can somebody without a pistol permit go to a range to shoot? I've held off from paying NY state the $100+ for the permit, because I hoped to qualify by going through an academy.
Wow, $5 in IL. Over here you need a card or go with someone that has one.

[merlin436]

Hey guys, when you are at FLETC are you allowed to go to the range after class or during the weekend and practice shooting at your own time?

No.

There's a simulated laser-like range you might be able to use on your own dime.

[merlin436]

Hello,

On average, how long is the CBPO process?

I ask because I'm looking into applying but I want to make sure logistically I can do the process. The story: I'm starting a 6-month reserve sheriff's academy in March. The subsequent field training is 4-6 months. So, I won't be able to leave Los Angeles for the next 10-12 months. If the CBPO process takes a year, there shouldn't be a problem.

Thanks for any help or advice!

Lately...I've been seeing several people push through in less than a year. Then again, I've seen several take 18 months or more...so I don't know what to tell you.

As a guess...and this is just a guess, I'd say a year is not an unreasonable expectation, especially if you have any issues that might creep up in your BI.

But if you're really worried about not having enough time, wait another 6 moths or so. The chances of CBP opening another announcement sometime between the close of this next one and the end of December are fairly close to certain.

[waiting.waiting]

i hope i will never have to fire a gun in real life. :)

[Gringe]

i hope i will never have to fire a gun in real life. :)

No clue where that came from haha, but be prepared to in FLETC and out in the field when forced to do so!

[aa737mia]

Hey guys, when you are at FLETC are you allowed to go to the range after class or during the weekend and practice shooting at your own time?

No, they only give you extra practice if your score's are consistently poor ~60% (~80% is pasing). My wife and several others in her class asked, they said not necessary. They all failed the initial Qual. They all passed the re-qual. THEY ALL went out and shot on their own!

[kc12]

No, they only give you extra practice if your score's are consistently poor ~60% (~80% is pasing). My wife and several others in her class asked, they said not necessary. They all failed the initial Qual. They all passed the re-qual. THEY ALL went out and shot on their own!

The only time there is extra practice and instruction is if you fail to qualify. I'll wager the number of failures have gone down drastically now that the CBP course has been implemented at FLETC. Most of the rounds are now shot at or from less than 7 yards. Really at the 7 yard line aiming can be optional. At the 3 yard line aiming isn't required, just look at where you want to hit, point there, and shoot. Assuming proper trigger control, you will hit very close to where you are looking/pointing.

My philosophy is, if you are training for the world, shooting at the 3 yard line no aiming should be taking place (this is one of the changes that can be done at your port, but not FLETC if your new to shooting). Most police shootings occur within 7-10 feet. There isn't any time for aiming, if an attacker is coming at you. You have time to draw and fire that is it. You don't even have time to bring your weapon up to eye level. I've gone as far as 15 yards without aiming, but my grouping is too large for my comfort and I wouldn't do it on a living moving target. At my last agency we fired from the holster two rounds in either two or three seconds at the three yard line. Basically we had enough time to draw and shoot twice without aiming.

The only positive thing going to a range before the academy without instruction will accomplish is getting over nerves about shooting a pistol. Without the instruction you will most likely have to change the way you hold the firearm, change your stance, change the bad habits you started to form, etc. You might do better by going to the range before the academy, but odds are you will have to change what you learned before the academy when you get to the academy. For an experienced shooter it probably won't be an issue, for those just starting out it could be a big obstacle to overcome. I would work more on hand strength. The lighter the trigger feels the less likely you will start shaking from the pull of the trigger (it's not that heavy to begin with).

[co94]

My BI was with the Department of Treasury. He met me at my house. He complimented me for dressing in a full suit and tie. He said, a lot of applicants don't dress to impress and that speaks to the integridy of the applicant.
Mine told me he would be by sometime during the week. Called me 15 minutes before he showed up to say he was in the neighborhood and asked if it was alright for him to come now. I was outside mowing my lawn when he called and just finishing when he showed up. It was mid July, so no suit and tie while mowing. He spoke to my wife, me and about six or seven neighbors that weren't on the list. He had asked me before hand if he could do that. I told him he could speak to anyone in my neighborhood. He left without saying goodbye, then called me 2 days later and said "I am done with you. As far as my report is concerned, you should have no problems in the hiring process." That was on 7-31-08(on or around). On 8/8/08 I was in TSU.

[merlin436]

All these firearms related postings(yes...mine too) are getting too much...if you ask me.

This is an unsecured site. Who knows who might be reading it? There are people out there who don't like LE and might be here looking for ways to gain advantage. Do we really need to be discussing how we qual, where we qual from, yada yada, etc?

If you're an applicant...wait. It'll come. There's no need for you to know everything 8 months in advance. Work on your pre-hiring needs at the moment, the rest can and probably should wait.

[Drew23]

Hey guys, when you are at FLETC are you allowed to go to the range after class or during the weekend and practice shooting at your own time?


They actually just opened an indoor range about 10min away from FLETC called Shooters of America. It's right past the entrance to the 95. A few of us from my ICE class went there to practice before qual day.

[IronHorse0311]

Hey everyone....I have been reading about all of these postings about shooting. Some of this stuff sounds like an eight year old who is scared to fly because he threw up on a plane once before. He gets so worried about it prior to the flight, by the time he gets on the plane he knows he is going to throw up.

Look guys....take it from a Marine Sniper who never fired a gun before boot camp. Listen to what the instructors have to say and most importantly relax and BREATHE.

If you are worried about it now, think about how you will feel on the firing line. Also, if you try to go to someone else to help prior to the academy and you don't know the exact course of fire on the CPBO range, you are only going to freak yourself out more. You will earn the basics and fundamentals from some of the best firearms instructors there are. But more importantly, you will be doing it their way. The way they want to see you qualify. My suggestion...save your money on range time, rounds, and renting guns ...Relax, wait until you get there and LEARN LEARN LEARN. Stop psyching yourselves out by worrying so much. It will only hurt you in the end.

[kc12]

...Listen to what the instructors have to say and most importantly relax and BREATHE.

If you are worried about it now, think about how you will feel on the firing line. Also, if you try to go to someone else to help prior to the academy and you don't know the exact course of fire on the CPBO range, you are only going to freak yourself out more. You will earn the basics and fundamentals from some of the best firearms instructors there are. But more importantly, you will be doing it their way. The way they want to see you qualify. My suggestion...save your money on range time, rounds, and renting guns ...Relax, wait until you get there and LEARN LEARN LEARN. Stop psyching yourselves out by worrying so much. It will only hurt you in the end.

+1

I sang stupid songs to myself between shooting just to keep it light, and my mind of the sprained wrist made worse from shooting.

[NAL06]

I've gathered that joining the CBP's union, NTEU, is optional. I'm new to the union thing, so I decided to read up on some of the benefits. Why would CBPO's not join?

[aa737mia]

All these firearms related postings(yes...mine too) are getting too much...if you ask me.

This is an unsecured site. Who knows who might be reading it? There are people out there who don't like LE and might be here looking for ways to gain advantage. Do we really need to be discussing how we qual, where we qual from, yada yada, etc?

If you're an applicant...wait. It'll come. There's no need for you to know everything 8 months in advance. Work on your pre-hiring needs at the moment, the rest can and probably should wait.


http://www.fobp.us/Files/Docs/GovPolicies/CBP/080404_CBP%20FIrearms%20Policy.pdf

All this stuff is on the Web. It may be old, but contains the course of fire.

Good information here also:

http://www.friendsoftheborderpatrol.com/pollibrary.htm

[AlmostDone]

Another week of hell in pend-ville. *sigh*

[fedpolice]

http://www.fobp.us/Files/Docs/GovPolicies/CBP/080404_CBP%20FIrearms%20Policy.pdf

All this stuff is on the Web. It may be old, but contains the course of fire.

Good information here also:

http://www.friendsoftheborderpatrol.com/pollibrary.htm

I have seen several posts that they reduced the course to a 150 course of fire. Is this a rumor? What did they do take out the 25 yrd line???

Fedpolice

[kc12]

I have seen several posts that they reduced the course to a 150 course of fire. Is this a rumor? What did they do take out the 25 yrd line???

Fedpolice

They did away with the training course of fire at FLETC and strictly went with the short course of fire listed in the manual.

[co94]

Perception is the problem. To someone that has little weapons experience even with group instruction many details can affect the outome. All I am saying is that a majority of FLETC instruction (CBPO) leaves out many details. Maybe that is to prevent over thinking??? At the end of the day what is difficult to some may not be to others, but you instruct to the lowest common skill level.
That is precisely why I say you shouldnt practice. Be the lowest common
skill level and you will get the training. I was in the Military. I never picked up a gun in my life. The military is no superstar when it comes to instructors either. But because I had no idea what I was doing when I first fired a weapon, it made it alot easier to understand their simple logic that they were teaching almost all beginners. If you go practice with someone who is not a certified instructor, then you will probably learn all of their bad habits and never fix the ones that you were born with. Then you will take that and an "experienced" attitude with you to Glynco and wonder why these instructors "cant teach you right".

[merlin436]

http://www.fobp.us/Files/Docs/GovPolicies/CBP/080404_CBP%20FIrearms%20Policy.pdf

All this stuff is on the Web. It may be old, but contains the course of fire.

Good information here also:

http://www.friendsoftheborderpatrol.com/pollibrary.htm



Yes, I know.

Sadly way too much stuff is available out there for those who care to search for it.

Still, that doesn't mean we have to wrap it up in fancy paper and gift it to anyone. Many of the applicants on this board are unwilling/unable to search this thread alone for answers that have been posted a half-dozen times. Why make it easy for anyone? For an applicant, knowing everything about the firearms policy isn't going to help anyone, there's no advantage in an applicant knowing the off-duty-carry policy or the flying armed policy, or the qualification course, so why put it out there?

At best, people get dumped on with a bunch of information that has no relevance to them until months down the road when they finally make it to FLETC and/or start at the PoE. At worst, some BG will see it and use it to their advantage.

I just don't see much for good reasons to post it in the first place.

[rbakous1]

Another week of hell in pend-ville. *sigh*

Yep, I've been a resident of pend-ville for roughly 9 weeks since the start of my BI. 5 months total No one seems to want to talk to me. :)

[kc12]

Merlin--Just for the sake of discussion (not argument) we can tell people all of the details of the qualifications course and it really wouldn't matter. The qualification course is nothing but putting holes in paper, teaching the basics of how to shoot. Learning how to shoot is one thing. Everything taught at FLETC about how to shoot accurately is covered by any decent shooting instructor. How we as LEO use the skill is a whole different matter. The tactics are the really important part. Saying we have to shoot from the strong side behind a barricade then transition to weak side behind a barricade is also very vague. It doesn't describe the manner in which we are to stand, or how to actually use that ability in a tactical situation.

[kc12]

All I am saying is that a majority of FLETC instruction (CBPO) leaves out many details. Maybe that is to prevent over thinking???

Some how I missed this the first time. If you haven't been to FLETC exactly how do you know what is left out and what is taught. From you friends and wife? I don't see how you can talk authoritatively about something you haven't experienced. I had the fortune to stand next to someone who was a decent shot as well as a couple who were marginal and one who I thought would fail out due to shooting. That was a total of four people (not including me). Me and the guy next to me received very little instruction, because we were decent shots, from the start. Most of our instruction was given the first two or three classes to correct the bad habits we showed up with. After that the question for us wasn't whether we would pass or not, it was by how much we would pass. The two who were marginal received a little more instruction throughout the course. The young lady who was a bad shot received a lot more intense instruction. The day of qualification she passed by 10 or 20 points. Of the five of us one failed to qualify the first time. Even he admitted he stressed himself out and started yanking the trigger. This was his second time through the academy, the first time he failed to qualify with the pistol.

From my experience the instructors we had were very knowledgeable and very helpful, for those who needed help (actually better than those I had in the military, local police academy, and the local PD). If we had questions while practicing they had no problem helping. If we didn't need the assistance then there was no sense in providing hours of extra instruction, when that time could be spent with someone who was having problems. I have one quirky habit I picked up on the streets, that doesn't effect my shooting, but the instructor asked about it and suggested an alternative. He also said that if I didn't like the way he was suggesting there was no issue with going back to my normal habit.

[merlin436]

Merlin--Just for the sake of discussion (not argument) we can tell people all of the details of the qualifications course and it really wouldn't matter. The qualification course is nothing but putting holes in paper, teaching the basics of how to shoot. Learning how to shoot is one thing. Everything taught at FLETC about how to shoot accurately is covered by any decent shooting instructor. How we as LEO use the skill is a whole different matter. The tactics are the really important part. Saying we have to shoot from the strong side behind a barricade then transition to weak side behind a barricade is also very vague. It doesn't describe the manner in which we are to stand, or how to actually use that ability in a tactical situation.

I'm really not all that much in disagreement with you, I don't think it likely matters either. Still, how does anybody benefit from knowing any of it in advance?

As I'm seeing it, it's not going to help any applicant knowing it beforehand...and as far off-base as it might be, it might actually actually turn around and bite somebody at some point.

I'm just not seeing the need.

Maybe my mind has finally cracked from all the FOUO, SBU, LES, etc. stuff CBP has jammed into it.:D

[girly]

Yep, I've been a resident of pend-ville for roughly 9 weeks since the start of my BI. 5 months total No one seems to want to talk to me. :)

I am sitting there also been waiting well March will be a year since I took the test my BI was August/September it is all a blur now lol. everytime the phone rings and it says Unavailable then it is a bill colector calling for the person that had my phone number last I yell at them and they still call back :confused: one of these times it is going to be THE CALL and I am scared I might yell thinking it is the other people....:p

[audi0xpl0de]

I am sitting there also been waiting well March will be a year since I took the test my BI was August/September it is all a blur now lol. everytime the phone rings and it says Unavailable then it is a bill colector calling for the person that had my phone number last I yell at them and they still call back :confused: one of these times it is going to be THE CALL and I am scared I might yell thinking it is the other people....:p

Yeah, seems like there is a bunch of us with the same timeline just waiting for the BI to clear. Probably sitting in the same pile. Maybe this week, maybe next month. Hopefully soon though.

[USCG 2 NYPD]

How many people here have everything done and is just waiting for " The Call"? and how long have you been waiting?

[waiting.waiting]

Yep, I've been a resident of pend-ville for roughly 9 weeks since the start of my BI. 5 months total No one seems to want to talk to me. :)

6 weeks in pend-ville today and 8 months total.

[pheonix]

I am sitting there also been waiting well March will be a year since I took the test my BI was August/September it is all a blur now lol. everytime the phone rings and it says Unavailable then it is a bill colector calling for the person that had my phone number last I yell at them and they still call back :confused: one of these times it is going to be THE CALL and I am scared I might yell thinking it is the other people....:p


Still waiting here also BI was in October 08 No news is good news to me. I still check the mail everyday hoping I dont get a Bad news letter.:eek:

[vic1218]

Has anybody received a TO for El Paso from the last announcement in November?

[keith snelgrove]

I cleared my medical today too - they called me immediately to schedule my fitness test - CASS and the hotline are behind...I cleared my drug test and found out through the hotline but CASS didnt update for three weeks!!

Florida bound cbpo, I think I might need that hotline number what would that be Thanks!!

[wastingaway32]

Florida bound cbpo, I think I might need that hotline number what would that be Thanks!!

The number is 612-467-7040. Make sure you have your ID# because you will need it to check your status. Good luck.

[barnaj]

Still waiting here also BI was in October 08 No news is good news to me. I still check the mail everyday hoping I dont get a Bad news letter.:eek:

Haha, we have alot in common. I know how you feel brother.

[bhov97]

Haha, we have alot in common. I know how you feel brother.

+1 :cool:

[aa737mia]

Some how I missed this the first time. If you haven't been to FLETC exactly how do you know what is left out and what is taught. From you friends and wife? I don't see how you can talk authoritatively about something you haven't experienced. I had the fortune to stand next to someone who was a decent shot as well as a couple who were marginal and one who I thought would fail out due to shooting. That was a total of four people (not including me). Me and the guy next to me received very little instruction, because we were decent shots, from the start. Most of our instruction was given the first two or three classes to correct the bad habits we showed up with. After that the question for us wasn't whether we would pass or not, it was by how much we would pass. The two who were marginal received a little more instruction throughout the course. The young lady who was a bad shot received a lot more intense instruction. The day of qualification she passed by 10 or 20 points. Of the five of us one failed to qualify the first time. Even he admitted he stressed himself out and started yanking the trigger. This was his second time through the academy, the first time he failed to qualify with the pistol.

From my experience the instructors we had were very knowledgeable and very helpful, for those who needed help (actually better than those I had in the military, local police academy, and the local PD). If we had questions while practicing they had no problem helping. If we didn't need the assistance then there was no sense in providing hours of extra instruction, when that time could be spent with someone who was having problems. I have one quirky habit I picked up on the streets, that doesn't effect my shooting, but the instructor asked about it and suggested an alternative. He also said that if I didn't like the way he was suggesting there was no issue with going back to my normal habit.

Having been an Evaluator not for Firearms, but for many other weapon systems and programs. When you Evaluate the level of training you take any student pull them aside and say show me. If they can't do it well that's o.k., but the main issue is can they correct their mistakes. They understand the basic concepts, and may have difficulty executing them.

Once again there are a few good instructors, overall the program is marginal (CBPO). Just go to that range outside the gate and see how busy it is!

So having not been at FLETC and seeing her and her friend shoot I can say either
1. They were asleep during the training
2. They were never trained on some of the details
3. They were just not paying attention

Now knowing them, they are those bookworm, pay attention to every detail types that study all day everyday. So 1 & 3 I don't think apply.

As you know the military trains you to make judgements on the facts at hand, o.k. I wish I had taken them to the range before they failed the qual. That will not change.

[merlin436]

I've gathered that joining the CBP's union, NTEU, is optional. I'm new to the union thing, so I decided to read up on some of the benefits. Why would CBPO's not join?


Belonging to the union has always been one of those odd little issues, mostly because of the interplay between legacy USCS/NTEU, legacy INS/AFGE and whoever represented the Aggies...it escapes me now. There was/is a fair amount of bad feelings over the final union choice, as there has been over many other things brought about because of the merger.

Many Officers swear by the union, it's their Grandma's apple pie...their king-cut prime rib...the greatest thing ever. Many others hate the union, it sucks...useless...waste of money. I tend to fall somewhere in the middle.

To me, it's worth joining...barely and it's useful...somewhat. I don't see it as making much of a difference overall, but it does provide some benefits.

Back to the question...reasons not to join the union...
***disclaimer*** my opinion only...many Officers probably have other, equally valid views on the matter***

1: Cheapness - Most union benefits come to you whether you've joined the union or not.

2A. What ever your issue is...the union seems not to want to touch it. There's just a lot of Officers out there with issues that the union can't or won't get involved with. Why pay for representation when it's not addressing your needs?

2B. The union does a horrible job of reaching out to the Officers in medium to small ports...for the most part. Most union representation is focused on large ports...at least that's my view.

2C. The union tends to get itself wrapped up in silly issues instead of working to address larger problems. The union has been out there working on mostly trivial issues like cargo shorts and grooming standards, rather than being seen as addressing bigger issues, like scheduling and transferring/swaps. That's turn off many an officer.

To their credit though, they did push through 12D coverage for us. That alone pays for union dues.

[RJ-Seattle]

Anyone with a Washington Geo Pref testing in Dec. 08 get a TO yet? Starting to wonder how much longer until we get ours, I got my NOR Dec. 18 2008...seems like it's usually a month or so after the NOR?

[5hole]

Tested the same date. My NOR was dated 12/12, but haven't heard anything yet. Bugged the CBPO guy at the latest career fair and he said the holidays and change of president probably slowed things down.

[stw1226]

Hi Everybody!

long time lurker... 1st time poster!!! got my NOR at 12/12.. (i think) and i'll be hanging around in this site for a while.. hopefully will get some good feed back from you guys!! Thanks in advance.

i got a high 80's on my test... is that high enough? i'll be @ L.A. as my Geo. Thx

[kc12]

Having been an Evaluator not for Firearms, but for many other weapon systems and programs. When you Evaluate the level of training you take any student pull them aside and say show me. If they can't do it well that's o.k., but the main issue is can they correct their mistakes. They understand the basic concepts, and may have difficulty executing them.

Once again there are a few good instructors, overall the program is marginal (CBPO). Just go to that range outside the gate and see how busy it is!

So having not been at FLETC and seeing her and her friend shoot I can say either
1. They were asleep during the training
2. They were never trained on some of the details
3. They were just not paying attention

Now knowing them, they are those bookworm, pay attention to every detail types that study all day everyday. So 1 & 3 I don't think apply.

As you know the military trains you to make judgements on the facts at hand, o.k. I wish I had taken them to the range before they failed the qual. That will not change.

Now I see where you are coming from. I think you are confusing some things. The main point of firearms training at FLETC is to get enough holes in the paper in the correct spots to get qualified, simply put it is a very basic course. The reasoning behind that is there are some of the students who have never shot a firearm and are afraid of it, can't stop anticipating the shot, can't stop jerking the trigger, try to hold the firearm sideways, etc. If the instructors can get those people to have enough holes in the paper they have done their jobs. Getting those same people to be able to correctly identify what they are doing wrong is expecting a lot from a basic firearms course. They didn't teach that at the basic courses I attended in the military or local police academy. The level of instruction you are wanting is formally taught at advanced firearm courses and learned through years of training. Since much time is spent with those who are in danger of not qualifying at all, I think giving them more to think about would be overwhelming.

We were given basic, if you have too much/not enough finger on the trigger the rounds will tend to do this type training, but as the instructors said shooting is as much an art as it is a science. There are about 20 different things that must be controlled when shooting a pistol. Those with past professional training and experience have learned to control many of those items without thinking about them. Those without training sometimes don't remember everything that must be controlled so they don't. The point of basic firearms training is to get those inexperienced shooters to control, at least marginally, the things that must be controlled in order to qualify. When someone has too much finger on the trigger, is jerking the trigger, anticipating the shot, has a death grip on the firearm, and has a weak frame all at the same time, but doesn't realize it, no amount of self critical review is going to help. It comes down to the instructors pointing out the issues. The fewer issues a shooter has the less time with an instructor.

[co94]

6 weeks in pend-ville today and 8 months total.

Been just waiting since first day of TSU 8/8/08.

[imlikeaninja]

Heading out the door for my VBT. Ended up going with a grey suit. Wish me luck guys.

[co94]

Heading out the door for my VBT. Ended up going with a grey suit. Wish me luck guys.
Good Luck!
you will do fine. Just remember you are "Officer Friendly". Be firm and fair, but do your job. You will pass. Get back to us later.

[merlin436]

Anyone with a Washington Geo Pref testing in Dec. 08 get a TO yet? Starting to wonder how much longer until we get ours, I got my NOR Dec. 18 2008...seems like it's usually a month or so after the NOR?

Whatever made you think that TO's start issuing about a month after the NOR?

Yeah...it's probably possible, maybe for those who scored 100's or high 90's, but most people aren't going to see them that early. A month is hugely optimistic, for most it's probably closer to 6 months...maybe even a year.

Wait...and go about life as if you never applied. Eventually it'll come.

[nordy racer]

Hi Everybody!

long time lurker... 1st time poster!!! got my NOR at 12/12.. (i think) and i'll be hanging around in this site for a while.. hopefully will get some good feed back from you guys!! Thanks in advance.

i got a high 80's on my test... is that high enough? i'll be @ L.A. as my Geo. Thx

you should be fine with a high 80 score..

[waiting.waiting]

Whatever made you think that TO's start issuing about a month after the NOR?

Yeah...it's probably possible, maybe for those who scored 100's or high 90's, but most people aren't going to see them that early. A month is hugely optimistic, for most it's probably closer to 6 months...maybe even a year.

Wait...and go about life as if you never applied. Eventually it'll come.

I scored 95 and this is my 9 months of waiting so i think it is depend on your stroke of luck. :). really sad to said but it is the true.

[bhov97]

has everyone gone quiet because we are all just waiting for the phone to ring? haha

[mlrtme]

Tested the same date. My NOR was dated 12/12, but haven't heard anything yet. Bugged the CBPO guy at the latest career fair and he said the holidays and change of president probably slowed things down.


I tested during the same period (Dec '08). I am waiting as well and don't really expect anything until at least the 2 month mark. A women with in the recruiting dept. said with scores in the 90-100 range, 2 months is about average. With the holidays etc, I'm hoping to see something by the end on Feb. or early Mar. As I'm sure the other WA state people, I'd like to get the rest of this long process moving forward. As we all have read on here, there is a long wait ahead even after we receive out TO......good luck to all and let's keep each other posted with our results. :)

[co94]

has everyone gone quiet because we are all just waiting for the phone to ring? haha
I think so. I know that is what I am waiting for. I am on the national no call list. So when unavailable comes up, chances are 9 out of 10 that is not a telemarketer. Since I got in TSU in Aug, I have had one unavailable. It was the 1 out of 10. I cant wait to see that again. When I do Chances are?.....

[5hole]

It is kinda irritating as an applicant to be told 3-6 months total and then to go on this forum and see how unrealistic that is. Even the CBPO I met last week told me the TO comes 4 weeks after your NOR. People probably wouldn't apply if they knew it could be a year wait. I am very thankful for this forum.

[co94]

It is kinda irritating as an applicant to be told 3-6 months total and then to go on this forum and see how unrealistic that is. Even the CBPO I met last week told me the TO comes 4 weeks after your NOR. People probably wouldn't apply if they knew it could be a year wait. I am very thankful for this forum.
Nov. 17th of '07, I took the test. In Aug '08 went to TSU. Feb 8 will be 6 months in TSU. Just grin and bear it. Any decent job, that pays well, and has a decent retirement is going to be a process. It is obviously in high demand. Although it has seemed like a long time, the time has still flown by like life always does. So, stay positive, and try not to focus on it to much.

[mlrtme]

It is kinda irritating as an applicant to be told 3-6 months total and then to go on this forum and see how unrealistic that is. Even the CBPO I met last week told me the TO comes 4 weeks after your NOR. People probably wouldn't apply if they knew it could be a year wait. I am very thankful for this forum.


Well the problem with making statements regarding timelines is there are several factors that come into play. One, your test score and how it relates to the other test scores in your geo pref. Two, you geo pref. Due to these factors, the wait time could be 4 weeks but as long as 12 months. As frustrating as that is, we are all aware of it and just have to play the wait game. I'm just working my current job as if I never receive my TO. Therefore, when and if I do receive it, I won't be sitting by the phone or mail box waiting to hear from someone. The process is what it is and I'm willing to accept that and wait. We all wish this process was a much quicker one :(

[NAL06]

It seems the process is very much "be in the right place, at the right time." I tested 3/08, and didn't even receive a TO until 11/08..but in the time since, I have completed the whole process, and will enter FLETC 3/09

[co94]

It seems the process is very much "be in the right place, at the right time." I tested 3/08, and didn't even receive a TO until 11/08..but in the time since, I have completed the whole process, and will enter FLETC 3/09
That is correct. The needs of the local office. You got your TO at exactly the right time. No snags with the entire process, so they pushed you through to fill some slots.

[merlin436]

CBP has 20 field offices, 327 ports, and who knows how many different offices, facilities and crossings.

Things work differently with most of them.

The problem with making any statement about CBP/OFO is that you're likely to be right only 85% of the time...at best. Northern border-southern border, airport-seaport-landborder, large-medium-small, etc...they all come into play and affect the system. The only good answer is usually that there is no good answer.

[imlikeaninja]

Good Luck!
you will do fine. Just remember you are "Officer Friendly". Be firm and fair, but do your job. You will pass. Get back to us later.

VBT done!!! It was really strange talking to the TV like that but CO94's advice was spot on. I felt like I bombed it as many others here have said but when the CBPO who was administering looked over my tape she seemed pleased and reassured me that I did ok. BTW I'm glad I dressed up the guy after me came in wearing ratty jeans and a T shirt so that gave me a last second, much needed confidence boost. I would have gone in feeling pretty lousy if it was the other way around.

[yoda]

It is kinda irritating as an applicant to be told 3-6 months total and then to go on this forum and see how unrealistic that is. Even the CBPO I met last week told me the TO comes 4 weeks after your NOR. People probably wouldn't apply if they knew it could be a year wait. I am very thankful for this forum.

Well...
If you applied back in early 2007 or before, the average process time was around 3 years from taking the Test to getting Hired!... Now how about taking the "chill pill" and sitting back till your turn comes up...:D

For those of you asking about TO's not being sent out yet...
If you scored in the 80's you have to wait for the second round TO's to be sent out (if the vacancies are there). Even for those who scored in the 90's it isn't a guaranteed thing that they'll get a TO for their Geo pref. if the vacancies are limited and lots of applicants scored higher than you. Always remember that TO's are sent out by SCORE oder and Spots available for that POE.
Good Luck to all the New Applicants and welcome to the Forum.:cool::D

[wastingaway32]

Does anyone have any idea how long after the VBT is the drug test usually given? I am asking because I did my VBT last week and the drug screen is the only thing left. Anyone, anyone at all have any idea....................

[audi0xpl0de]

Does anyone have any idea how long after the VBT is the drug test usually given? I am asking because I did my VBT last week and the drug screen is the only thing left. Anyone, anyone at all have any idea....................

No one will have an answer since it's random. Could be in the next few weeks though.

[wastingaway32]

No one will have an answer since it's random. Could be in the next few weeks though.

Thanks, just anxious I guess 07 tester and not getting any younger

[yoda]

Does anyone have any idea how long after the VBT is the drug test usually given? I am asking because I did my VBT last week and the drug screen is the only thing left. Anyone, anyone at all have any idea....................

Since it was not given to you right after the VBT, then you should expect a call at any time, and you will have 48 hrs to report and take the test after the call.:cool: Remember that all of these steps are "RANDOM" so it is different for everyone going through.

BTW
I've taken mine twice already... 1st time it was right after the VBT... it expired after a year so I had to re-take it again... I was called and had to report within 48 hrs of the call at the clinic to take the test...

[bhov97]

just wondering, is a phone call the only way they contact you about you EOD date?

let's say u weren't home and ur answering machine sucks, would they also send u an email telling you to call/report?

[wastingaway32]

Since it was not given to you right after the VBT, then you should expect a call at any time, and you will have 48 hrs to report and take the test after the call.:cool: Remember that all of these steps are "RANDOM" so it is different for everyone going through.

BTW
I've taken mine twice already... 1st time it was right after the VBT... it expired after a year so I had to re-take it again... I was called and had to report within 48 hrs of the call at the clinic to take the test...

Thanks for that bit of info....I guess I will do what someone said earlier "take a chill pill" and wait until it is my time to "let it flow"

[yoda]

just wondering, is a phone call the only way they contact you about you EOD date?

let's say u weren't home and ur answering machine sucks, would they also send u an email telling you to call/report?

The "Phone Call" is the ACTUAL job "Offer" and if you don't accept the offer, you won't get an "Entrance On Duty" date. I have not heard of anyone here getting an offer through the mail (without getting a call and speaking with TSU), as far as I can remember, I may be wrong... just never heard of it.

[bhov97]

The "Phone Call" is the ACTUAL job "Offer" and if you don't accept the offer, you won't get an "Entrance On Duty" date. I have not heard of anyone here getting an offer through the mail (without getting a call and speaking with TSU), as far as I can remember, I may be wrong... just never heard of it.

my answering machine has been a little iffy as of late, might just go purchase a new one lol...
but if u dont have an answering machine and u miss the call wat happens? do they repeat until they get a hold of u?
sorry for all the silly questions

[yoda]

so if you miss the call you are screwed so to speak?
Not Really,
If you know you have been in TSU for some time then you should know to call them to check on your status. I've heard of applicants calling TSU and getting their offer right then and there, as there are others here that have been in TSU for 6 months waiting for the call. If they are trying to contact you with an offer I'm sure one try at contacting you won't be it, if you have any suspicions it was TSU with an offer, you could try calling them to find out.
I don't have the number for TSU, but I know it was posted here a few weeks back by a member... now if you're not in TSU, don't waste your time calling them...:D

BTW
A cell phone in todays world is so much more practical than a land line, and makes you much more accessible as well, if you do have a cell phone and did not provide it as a contact number... you should call MHC to update your contact info with your cell number as your primary contact number rather than a house number.

[stw1226]

you should be fine with a high 80 score..
thx nordy racer!!! I hope so too! Just that so many people were taking the test this time so i kinda worry... and hope it will be fine So basically.. i just now sit.. and wait..... i guess.....

CBPO
Test: 12/08/08
NOR: 12/11/08 LB / LA
TO: TBA
Forms: TBA
Med: TBA
Drug Test: TBA
Fitness: TBA
VBT: TBA
BI: TBA
Qualifications: TBA
EOD: TBA
FLETC: TBA

[barnaj]

Not Really,
If you know you have been in TSU for some time then you should know to call them to check on your status. I've heard of applicants calling TSU and getting their offer right then and there, as there are others here that have been in TSU for 6 months waiting for the call. If they are trying to contact you with an offer I'm sure one try at contacting you won't be it, if you have any suspicions it was TSU with an offer, you could try calling them to find out.
I don't have the number for TSU, but I know it was posted here a few weeks back by a member... now if you're not in TSU, don't waste your time calling them...:D

BTW
A cell phone in todays world is so much more practical than a land line, and makes you much more accessible as well, if you do have a cell phone and did not provide it as a contact number... you should call MHC to update your contact info with your cell number as your primary contact number rather than a house number.

Hey daddy-o, any word on that chickensh** NOPA yet?

[barnaj]

thx nordy racer!!! I hope so too! Just that so many people were taking the test this time so i kinda worry... and hope it will be fine So basically.. i just now sit.. and wait..... i guess.....

CBPO
Test: 12/08/08
NOR: 12/11/08 LB / LA
TO: TBA
Forms: TBA
Med: TBA
Drug Test: TBA
Fitness: TBA
VBT: TBA
BI: TBA
Qualifications: TBA
EOD: TBA
FLETC: TBA

Yeah Homie, you got a wait ahead of you. But the positive thing is that the steps (excluding the BI), fly by at a pretty good pace.

[bhov97]

just in case anyone needs it i found the TSU number (612) 467-7018
and CASS hotline (612) 467-7040
:D

:edit: well i found 3 numbers lol

[nordy racer]

thx nordy racer!!! I hope so too! Just that so many people were taking the test this time so i kinda worry... and hope it will be fine So basically.. i just now sit.. and wait..... i guess.....

CBPO
Test: 12/08/08
NOR: 12/11/08 LB / LA
TO: TBA
Forms: TBA
Med: TBA
Drug Test: TBA
Fitness: TBA
VBT: TBA
BI: TBA
Qualifications: TBA
EOD: TBA
FLETC: TBA

my test score was i think a 84 for LA / LB.. i did have to wait to get a TO but i'm happy with the total process.. it has only taken 6 months to get to TSU.. now we will see how long the wait truely is :)

[MP115CO]

Whatever made you think that TO's start issuing about a month after the NOR?

Yeah...it's probably possible, maybe for those who scored 100's or high 90's, but most people aren't going to see them that early. A month is hugely optimistic, for most it's probably closer to 6 months...maybe even a year.

Wait...and go about life as if you never applied. Eventually it'll come.

Yeah, I scored a 100 ion the July 2008 test and have not received anything other then a NOR so don't get your hopes up...Like Merlin says just go about your life like you have recived nothing.

[Kermitthefrog]

I just found out about this forum and has answered some my questions. i, like some you guys, am waiting for that call. I have passed everything and my name has been submitted Referred to Schedule EOD on 12/05/08. I was wondering if anybody is in the same boat. i first took my initial test on 3/15/07. I also selected the region of Southwest - texas mainly in the El Paso Area. is there anybody waiting for this region as well?

Thanks

[yoda]

Hey daddy-o, any word on that chickensh** NOPA yet?

NOPE... Waiting to call the Sup. Adjudicator later in the week to see if they finished and sent the report up the chain of command, as per his instructions when I spoke with him. To tell you the truth this whole BI process has been so drawn out and mishandled so much that I have lost almost all hope by now... I am hanging to the last bit of thread of hope at this point to see if they finally clear it... 13 months & counting since I met my investigator...:(

[yoda]

thx nordy racer!!! I hope so too! Just that so many people were taking the test this time so i kinda worry... and hope it will be fine So basically.. i just now sit.. and wait..... i guess.....

CBPO
Test: 12/08/08
NOR: 12/11/08 LB / LA
TO: TBA
Forms: TBA
Med: TBA
Drug Test: TBA
Fitness: TBA
VBT: TBA
BI: TBA
Qualifications: TBA
EOD: TBA
FLETC: TBA
You'll most likely be picked up rather quick for LA/Long Beach POE's, they are Huge Ports in need of people so your wait won't be as long as other applicants with a similar score to a smaller POE.

[barnaj]

NOPE... Waiting to call the Sup. Adjudicator later in the week to see if they finished and sent the report up the chain of command, as per his instructions when I spoke with him. To tell you the truth this whole BI process has been so drawn out and mishandled so much that I have lost almost all hope by now... I am hanging to the last bit of thread of hope at this point to see if they finally clear it... 13 months & counting since I met my investigator...:(

God, that is such crap! I feel your pain because ive had my fair share of trouble and experience with this process. Keep the faith brother, youve made it this far, might as well finish running the race.

Edit: and Yoda, in theory its been 23 months since my first encounter with a CBP BI!! Stay focused!

[yoda]

God, that is such crap! I feel your pain because ive had my fair share of trouble and experience with this process. Keep the faith brother, youve made it this far, might as well finish running the race.

Edit: and Yoda, in theory its been 23 months since my first encounter with a CBP BI!! Stay focused!

That is exactly why it tickles me every time I see a new applicant complaining about being in the process for a whole 3 months and not being hired already!...
If you think my case is ChickenSh**!... Yours is way worse... but here we are... We Need and We Want this Job, so we're at their mercy and the roll of the dice... so we wait!...

[barnaj]

That is exactly why it tickles me every time I see a new applicant complaining about being in the process for a whole 3 months and not being hired already!...
If you think my case is ChickenSh**!... Yours is way worse... but here we are... We Need and We Want this Job, so we're at their mercy and the roll of the dice... so we wait!...

Damn right, and i am the most pessimistic, impatient person on earth, but i'm hanging in there. Gotta roll with punches!

[waiting.waiting]

NOPE... Waiting to call the Sup. Adjudicator later in the week to see if they finished and sent the report up the chain of command, as per his instructions when I spoke with him. To tell you the truth this whole BI process has been so drawn out and mishandled so much that I have lost almost all hope by now... I am hanging to the last bit of thread of hope at this point to see if they finally clear it... 13 months & counting since I met my investigator...:(

don't loose your hope. it will be there soon enough.:)

[wmcgalrd]

I just found out about this forum and has answered some my questions. i, like some you guys, am waiting for that call. I have passed everything and my name has been submitted Referred to Schedule EOD on 12/05/08. I was wondering if anybody is in the same boat. i first took my initial test on 3/15/07. I also selected the region of Southwest - texas mainly in the El Paso Area. is there anybody waiting for this region as well?

Thanks

I don't recall seeing anyone for South Texas, and just a handful of us for East Texas.

[DuckNextTime]

Hello everyone...(stands up)...My name is xxxxx and I'm a CASSaholic. I have been clean for (sigh)...5 minutes. It's been tough...(sits down)... and thats why I'm joining you. Thank you all for your support these months. Here is my timeline...

GEO: Los Angeles/Long Beach
NOR: 7-25-2008 Score: 79
TO: 11-13-08
VBT: 12-5-08 Cleared: 12-12-08
Qualifications: 12-17-08 GS-7
Fitness:12-19-08 Cleared: 1-9-09
Background: 12-8-09 Cleared 12-10-08
Drug: 1-8-09 Cleared: 1-17-09
Medical: 12-19-08 :PENDING

I hope my info contributes. I'm happy to be in pendingville with such demonstratively helpful people. Good Luck and God Bless.

[rbakous1]

Hello everyone...(stands up)...My name is xxxxx and I'm a CASSaholic. I have been clean for (sigh)...5 minutes. It's been tough...(sits down)... and thats why I'm joining you. Thank you all for your support these months. Here is my timeline...

GEO: Los Angeles/Long Beach
NOR: 7-25-2008 Score: 79
TO: 11-13-08
VBT: 12-5-08 Cleared: 12-12-08
Qualifications: 12-17-08 GS-7
Fitness:12-19-08 Cleared: 1-9-09
Background: 12-8-09 Cleared 12-10-08
Drug: 1-8-09 Cleared: 1-17-09
Medical: 12-19-08 :PENDING

I hope my info contributes. I'm happy to be in pendingville with such demonstratively helpful people. Good Luck and God Bless.

How in the world did your BI clear in less than 30 days? Did you already have one complete with BP or something? Anyways, congratulations on your timeline.

[DuckNextTime]

Thank you. I've been very fortunate so far. Given what I've read on previous posts it looks like i've been given interm clearance. I have no other applications in. Background cleared very quickly after meeting with my investigator. Only snag so far has been medical and compared to what some of these guys have gone through, not much of a snag yet. Heard nothing and thats about it.

Good Luck!

[stw1226]

Hey Nordy!

Good luck to you too!

Yoda

thx... i know you are really helpful in this site..and thank you for your input... i do hope to get in academy soon. I need a new life and a career :)

[QNSNorthfinest]

Hey everybody,

I am new to this thread! I am moving down to DC area from New York after I abandoned my NYPD hopes to work for CBP. I got the call last week and accepted for Virginia (Dulles). Start this Monday and was wondering if anyone is in the same boat?

If there is any insight you can give on the pre-training aspect of things it will be much appreciated.

Good luck to all!

[USCG 2 NYPD]

Hey everybody,

I am new to this thread! I am moving down to DC area from New York after I abandoned my NYPD hopes to work for CBP. I got the call last week and accepted for Virginia (Dulles). Start this Monday and was wondering if anyone is in the same boat?

If there is any insight you can give on the pre-training aspect of things it will be much appreciated.

Good luck to all!

Congratulations man!! Im in the same boat as you. Im getting S*****d on in NYPD right now and im waiting for my BI to hit me back. BUT, the light in the end of the tunnel is CBP and Im done with the process and waiting for the call. Good luck and best wishes in your new career.