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bigislander72
06-17-2006, 05:14 AM
I recall a while back I was stopped for no registration sticker because someone had stolen it. When everything checked out ok, the officer casually mentioned that even the the registration was current, don't stick someone elses tag on to avoid getting pulled over because thats a felony. This was in CA

Is this always true? Or is it some kind of wobbler? Felony seems a bit harsh for a forged sticker. What are the penalties for this in other states?

Tennsix
06-17-2006, 05:30 AM
The offense (as you described it) is an infraction, in Indiana. Basically, an infraction is a civil offense in the same category as a minor traffic violation. However, possessing a stolen license plate and/or sticker is a felony.

I just caught your nonchalant mention of a "forged" sticker. In what way was it forged? An altered plate and/or sticker could be considered counterfeiting, which is a felony in Indiana. That is stretching it a bit though.

Here is our counterfeiting statute:
IC 35-43-5-2 (http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/code/title35/ar43/ch5.html)

bigislander72
06-17-2006, 06:47 AM
**NOT LEO**

The offense (as you described it) is an infraction, in Indiana. Basically, an infraction is a civil offense in the same category as a minor traffic violation. However, possessing a stolen license plate and/or sticker is a felony.
I just caught your nonchalant mention of a "forged" sticker. In what way was it forged? An altered plate and/or sticker could be considered counterfeiting, which is a felony in Indiana. That is stretching it a bit though.

Here is our counterfeiting statute:
IC 35-43-5-2 (http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/code/title35/ar43/ch5.html)

Oh, I see, the stolen property thing is the more serious thing, not so much improper use?(Whether counterfiet or used w/ permission?) That makes sense and was probably what he meant.

Tennsix
06-17-2006, 07:07 AM
**NOT LEO**


Oh, I see, the stolen property thing is the more serious thing, not so much improper use?(Whether counterfiet or used w/ permission?) That makes sense and was probably what he meant.
In Indiana, false or fictitious registration is just an infraction. Counterfeiting (even w/permission) and theft are felonies.

Keep in mind, your vehicle can be impounded for displaying bad tags/stickers If that happens, you will have to get the registration squared away before you can get the car back. The BMV/DMV will issue a replacement plate, if you file a theft report.

hounddog
06-17-2006, 07:18 AM
I recall a while back I was stopped for no tags because someone had stole them. When everything checked out ok, the officer casually mentioned that even the the registration was current, don't stick someone elses tag on to avoid getting pulled over because thats a felony. This was in CA

Is this always true? Or is it some kind of wobbler? Felony seems a bit harsh for a forged sticker. What are the penalties for this in other states?
By tags I am not sure which you mean; plate or year sticker. But I will give you the Michigan version.

Putting any old plate on your car;
Improper use of registration plate- misdemeanor

Putting the wrong sticker on your plate intentionally;
Altered registration plate- felony

Phantom135
06-20-2006, 10:33 PM
Interesting statute. The subject of this post is why I had asked in a post of my own if the stickers in other states tear like Ohio's do. It was a pain cleaning off residue from old plates I bought for my plate collection. :(

bigislander72
06-22-2006, 12:28 AM
**NOT LEO**

Looking at the responses for Indiana Vs. Michigan, it is interesting to note the great difference in severity for the same offense, yet this is the same country. So how do you cops, (especially those who have had jobs in two or more states), feel about having to charge more or less because of different states laws?

I find it somewhat unfair that in regards to federal firearm law, one could lose rights forever and in all 50 states if busted in Michigan, but just have to pay a fine in Indiana and suffer no loss of rights. Then there are even things that are felonies in one state, yet 100% legal in another (ex. tattooing in Oklahoma, relations w/ 16-17 year old ,concealed firearm ect.). Once again, how do above cops feel about the fairness of this?

If I were a politician, I would introduce a law that said if one thing was legal in any state, then this conduct could at most be a misdemeanor in another. It's the same country, so laws should not vary so drastically.

PPDMO373
06-22-2006, 01:50 AM
Never mind...my mistake.....

Tennsix
06-22-2006, 09:57 AM
You are not a LEO....and you have been reported for answering in AAC area....
He is cool. He was asking a question.

Tennsix
06-22-2006, 10:25 AM
**NOT LEO**

Looking at the responses for Indiana Vs. Michigan, it is interesting to note the great difference in severity for the same offense, yet this is the same country. So how do you cops, (especially those who have had jobs in two or more states), feel about having to charge more or less because of different states laws?

I find it somewhat unfair that in regards to federal firearm law, one could lose rights forever and in all 50 states if busted in Michigan, but just have to pay a fine in Indiana and suffer no loss of rights. Then there are even things that are felonies in one state, yet 100% legal in another (ex. tattooing in Oklahoma, relations w/ 16-17 year old ,concealed firearm ect.). Once again, how do above cops feel about the fairness of this?

If I were a politician, I would introduce a law that said if one thing was legal in any state, then this conduct could at most be a misdemeanor in another. It's the same country, so laws should not vary so drastically.
I never really gave it much thought. I used to work in a town on the IN/OH state line. The laws in the two states are similar so it wasn’t an issue. In the 80’s, Indiana’s drugs laws were more stringent than Ohio’s. The criminals got a rude awaking when caught on our side of the fence.

Presently, I am in a community with people from all over the world, including the U. S. People from other areas (of the U. S.) frequently complaint about subtle differences in state laws; not so much the actual statutes but the penalties. A reasonable person knows right from wrong and they know when they are breaking the law.

The states have very similar laws. The wording of a particular statute is what makes the difference. In Indiana, putting an unauthorized sticker on a license plate is an infraction called false or fictitious registration. However, placing a forged sticker on a plate could be considered counterfeiting, a felony. Whether it’s California or Indiana, putting a forged sticker on a plate could be a felony; the crime just has a different name. It all balances out.

If a person does something to get their Michigan gun permit revoked, chances are that same act would have resulted revocation in most of the other states.

On a side note, the federal government draws it’s authority from the states. In some ways, the U.S. is an assembly of “countries” that work cooperatively with one another.

PPDMO373
06-23-2006, 12:55 AM
He is cool. He was asking a question.

My mistake....I didn't see that he was the original poster......

He's done it in the past and was just thinking he was doing it again.....

SinePari
06-23-2006, 07:52 AM
If I were a politician, I would introduce a law that said if one thing was legal in any state, then this conduct could at most be a misdemeanor in another. It's the same country, so laws should not vary so drastically.

Well, lets hope you don't run on that platform. The Union is set up so each state may establish its own laws, based on a Constitutional Democracy, not a Strict Democracy. The USSR tried that socialism stuff and it didn't work out too well.

NBW791
06-25-2006, 05:19 PM
Any registration violation is a misdemeanor in Kansas. That means you CAN be arrested for it. Not the crime of the century and most of the time court just has you pay a fine. It's an equipment violation anyway so it doesn't even go no your driving record.

Felony......sounds like somebody either doesn't know what they're talking about or was bluffing.

-Nick-