Tbta 2065

[SCPS PO]

I have a few questions regarding equipment for BTOs.


1) Are you trained on the ASP and chemical agents?

2) Is leather duty gear required or can a BTO use nylon?

[ImportInvasion]

I just called DCAS and got the automated message with regards to our test. It stated that the list number is only up to 285. Sound about right to you guys. I remember reading somewhere that it was higher, but I guess not. Anyone that can clarify?

[SCPS PO]

Is that the last list number appointed?

[gbotj]

285 was the last certified list number for the FIRST group. They never updated it to the recent list numbers (285+)


SCPS, BTO Recruits are trained with the monodanock (sp?) expandable baton, and not sure what type OC Spray they are trained with.
All leathers (holsters, pouches etc.) are issued to you by TBTA. The only thing you have to buy is the sam browne gun belt. I'm not 100% sure, but I dont think you can wear nylon gun belts.

[moresmogplease]

I have a few questions regarding equipment for BTOs.


1) Are you trained on the ASP and chemical agents?

2) Is leather duty gear required or can a BTO use nylon?

answer 1- Yes and yes

answer 2- leather goods are issued, but nylon is fine for everything but the firearm.

[SCPS PO]

Thanks for the replies. Always enjoyed ASP training. Are BTOs "exposed" to OC as part of their training or just instructed in their use? I love my nylon rig and hate the idea of going back to leather.

[moresmogplease]

Are BTOs "exposed" to OC as part of their training?

Id be god damned. the instructor would get "exposed" right back, with a side order of manodnock. **** that.

[SCPS PO]

Id be god damned. the instructor would get "exposed" right back, with a side order of manodnock. **** that.


ROFL. It definitely is not fun and I'd hate to go through it again.

[PlainSilverTin]

Are BTOs "exposed" to OC as part of their training or just instructed in their use?

sweet, thankyou sir may i have another......thanks for answering moresmog.

[gbotj]

I hear getting sprayed is reaallll nasty. Im surprised they dont do it, I always thought in order to carry it, you must be sprayed.


Well, I guess its safe to say the academy will be in june.....now Im hanging on to any and all hope so hopefully the academy starts first week of june.....please......tired of staring at my phone!

[PlainSilverTin]

for the first time in a bit, i missed a call and gasp...it was from a 212 number....i actually got ****ed for a second that i didn't hear it but they didn't leave a message so i didn't feel so bad when i called it back and nobody answered...if we get pulled for early june we can start(or resume) staring at our phones again next week.

[SCPS PO]

for the first time in a bit, i missed a call and gasp...it was from a 212 number....i actually got ****ed for a second that i didn't hear it but they didn't leave a message so i didn't feel so bad when i called it back and nobody answered...if we get pulled for early june we can start(or resume) staring at our phones again next week.

Happened to me Friday. Then I called
back and it was the restaurant confirming my dinner reservations. I also realized it was supposed to be a call from a 646 number afterwards. Doh!

[gbotj]

yea its a 646 number. I'm looking at it like a pattern, this feb class went in on the same exact day as it did in 2007 and they also put in a class on june 4th 2007, so maybe they will put this class in first week between the 2nd and 4th. Cant see it going in anytime after a wednesday since first 3 days are at 2 broadway.

[SCPS PO]

Does anyone have the number for HR for Debroah? PM me if you do please. I'm going to withdraw my name from the list.

[gbotj]

SCPS, if you dont mind me asking why?

Also its on the business card they handed out.
Check your PM's

[SCPS PO]

Gbotj, back at you. Good luck to all those still in the process!

[SCPS PO]

She's on vacation until the 27th. Guess you guys will get a call shortly after that!

[PlainSilverTin]

She's on vacation until the 27th. Guess you guys will get a call shortly after that!


ugh...one more week, good call on the 646 number, i always associate manhatten with 212...lol . Anyway, scps good luck check your pm

[PlainSilverTin]

hey guys as an aside you figure if we were disqualified for any reason we would have gotten paperwork by now saying we were right?

[gbotj]

a month and a half later.....Im pretty sure we're all good. lol

[PlainSilverTin]

a month and a half later.....Im pretty sure we're all good. lol

:D

[PlainSilverTin]

n e 1 hear anything?

[gbotj]

just crickets.....

[gbotj]

I think tomorrow might be the day!

[tnelly711]

i think so 2 ! or tuesday!

[gbotj]

I pray we all get called! End this perpetual waiting game!

[TallCoolOne]

You Guys are killin me !!! just joined, lost my hair....have no more finger nails... but have been reading the posts for months.....cant take it any more.....they gotta call us tomorrow....my list #'s in the mid 400"s..what do you guys think my chances are...??..jesus !!!

[PlainSilverTin]

honestly hard to say, probobly pretty good especially if they put in a double class. in our group there are probobly around 70? give or take that completely passed out of the folks they called.

tomorrow is such a busy day for me i hope i don't miss it. let's cross our fingers...

[gbotj]

nah man, theres alot less than 70 left. I remember counting 70 at the written psych, and after talking to a bunch of people there were guys who failed previous psychs and alot who were not playing with a full deck. Then people who are put on hold for DQ'd for their background, and then people who pulled out of the process (I spoke to a few who were taking TBTA until NYPD raised the salary). I'd say they are down to maybe 45/50 give or take.

[TallCoolOne]

Any1 hear anything.....?? Its 2pm, I havent heard anything yet.....

[gbotj]

nothing. Dont think calls are being made today.

I'm 50/50 on today or tomorrow.

[John2008]

nothing. Dont think calls are being made today.

I'm 50/50 on today or tomorrow.

damn, they're just playing mind games with all of you.

[gbotj]

yeparoo!

Good thing they didnt give us the psych now lol.
Been waiting for the call for almost 2 months!

[TallCoolOne]

damn, they're just playing mind games with all of you.

i dont remember meeting with a bi....i think my last meeting was the oral physch.....what does that mean ??

[gbotj]

there is no meeting with a BI. I think you only meet a BI if they find a problem in your investigation.

[TallCoolOne]

correction......my orientation was 3/11 maybe...thats why...

[TallCoolOne]

damn, they're just playing mind games with all of you.

so...i gotta believe if john2008 is goin into the academy on 7/08 we have a long wait......since they havent even called us......yes ??

[gbotj]

What??? Johns going on NYPD he has nothing to fo with us.
What do you mean your orientation was 3/28? the physical was 3/28. orientation was 3/07 and 3/11

[TallCoolOne]

Sorry guys... i made the necessary corrections...

[Jayc6018]

there is no meeting with a BI. I think you only meet a BI if they find a problem in your investigation.

Question does that go for all LE agencies? only meeting with the BI if there is a problem in your investigation?

[gbotj]

nope just TBTA because they sent it out to an outside agency for the Background Investigation. They have no division specifically for Applicant Investigations.

Almost all other LE agencies have you meet with an investigator.

[PlainSilverTin]

Almost all other LE agencies have you meet with an investigator.

especially nypd, you don't go anywhere without your investigator pushing you through...

ok kids lets see tomorrow...

[TallCoolOne]

I just called DCAS...They told me the last eligible list # certified was 285, The last eligible appointed was 260. Any1 know what this means..??

[gbotj]

DCAS doesnt update their info, last person appointed was I believe 270 something, and for our group the last number certified was around 480

[SCPS PO]

I'm crossing my finger for all of you guys and gals waiting for the call. Good luck!

[Miro1118]

What I am seeing is that the sgt's training is done and I have seen some officers coming back from block training. You guys should be getting called soon.

[gbotj]

Awesome. Thanks miro.
How do you like the job?

[Miro1118]

So far so good. The academy was a little tough, not as tough as FDNY from what I saw during our week there. The actual job is much different than the academy. There is still a lot to learn when you get out.

Get ready for the paramilitary experience if you are not used to it. You will be screamed at and humbled.

[gbotj]

yeah I bet.
If you hear anything on the next class, please let us know. Thanks

[PlainSilverTin]

thanks for the update Miro1118

[Stackit02]

Get ready for the paramilitary experience if you are not used to it. You will be screamed at and humbled.

Paramilitary??? Did we attend the same academy?? haha The academy was no pushover, but I would hardly call it paramilitary experience.

[Miro1118]

If you are not used to that kind of thing its paramilitary. I came from the private sector and it was all new to me.

And yes we attended the same academy. LOL

[gw35]

Paramilitary??? Did we attend the same academy?? haha The academy was no pushover, but I would hardly call it paramilitary experience.

+1

I was thinking the same thing. :D

[TallCoolOne]

Any1 Hear anything ??

[FDMEDIC84]

Nope all is silent over here.

[gbotj]

dont expect to hear anything for atleast another two weeks.........

[TallCoolOne]

dont expect to hear anything for atleast another two weeks.........

Why do you say g ??

[vab1978]

Hey gbotj,

When you say 2 more weeks, is that for the call or start date? Does anyone know what is going on?

[gbotj]

call. The academy will probably be July 7th

[vab1978]

That would be great.

Is the academy Monday through Friday only? That would give us our weekends during the summer (also great)!

[gbotj]

Monday through Friday, 7am-3pm SOME PM tours which is 3pm-11pm

[John2008]

Monday through Friday, 7am-3pm SOME PM tours which is 3pm-11pm

so the same tours as the NYPD academy.

[gbotj]

yes its the same tours. for the first day of the academy its 8am-4pm and then after that its 7am-3pm. Theres a few days (maybe a week at a time) that its 3pm-11pm.

I'd rather be on 3-11's than 7-3 but Im not complaining about anything.

[PlainSilverTin]

i just want in...lol lets cross our fingers

[tnelly711]

............................i wonder whats on t.v?

[gbotj]

....................anybody got a delorean and a flux capacitor???? Maybe we can speed things up. lol

[tnelly711]

......hmmmm might be tempted to speed up to retirement!!!

[PlainSilverTin]

hahaha too much time folks....

actually i shouldn't talk, i'v had halo 3 since the week it came out and played it furiously for the first week after then never touched it again, then about 2 weeks ago i popped it in and started playing online for the first time and got my arse handed to me by 10 year olds...long story short i just made Lt. grade 3 lol...too much time on my own hands....

[Viper2007]

When you start training.. just show up, be on time, show some interest, pay attention, review the notes they give you, and don't draw attention to yourself. Do that and you will sail through with no problems.

[gbotj]

thanks for the advice Viper.


Back to watching cell phones tomorrow. I think the academy might start around the 7th/8th so two weeks notice will be in the next week.
Fingers crossed.

[tnelly711]

maybe calls on the 22nd or 23rd?

[PlainSilverTin]

thanks viper

ok the missus bought me GTA IV for fathers day, that should hold me over until we get some calls.

[tnelly711]

silver u got me laughing now!...im going to get a ps3 and gta 2 morrow! need something to keep me busy! plus got to get ready for socom i think its comming out end of summer!

[PlainSilverTin]

socom drops September it's gonna be sick.

http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=71727

but bad company drops the 23rd of this month, thats going to be an awesome game (been playing the demo) GTAIV is pretty good defintely keeping me occupied...lol

[tnelly711]

yeah i cant wait id get the ps3 if socom is the only game they ever put out!

[John2008]

I'm waiting until I start the academy and have some extra money left so I can buy a ps3 and GTA4 that's all I need.

[gbotj]

GTA4 is a good game, only problem is that after a while it sort of starts to repeat itself. I like to use cheats (jetpack in san andreas was great) and in 4 they barely have any cheats, only vehicle and gun cheats.

on a side note in GTA4 they have th triboro bridge and the whitestone complete with bto's, toll plazas, and checkpoints.

[John2008]

GTA4 is a good game, only problem is that after a while it sort of starts to repeat itself. I like to use cheats (jetpack in san andreas was great) and in 4 they barely have any cheats, only vehicle and gun cheats.

on a side note in GTA4 they have th triboro bridge and the whitestone complete with bto's, toll plazas, and checkpoints.

LOL, so you be messing with your people?
I've heard that you can also play as a officer, is that true?

[gbotj]

yea its sick. The radio cars have MDT's and you can log on to NCIC and search for current crimes, most wanted, criminals etc. You cant really play as a cop its still more like vigilante.

Also all the radio cars have the exact sirens as NYPD. 5 different sirens altogether (electronic horn, chirp, regular etc). The great thing about the sirens is that they actually sound EXACTLY like real life. If your in manhattan you hear the echo from off the buildings, and also when in a tunnel or under an overpass.

[John2008]

yea its sick. The radio cars have MDT's and you can log on to NCIC and search for current crimes, most wanted, criminals etc. You cant really play as a cop its still more like vigilante.

Also all the radio cars have the exact sirens as NYPD. 5 different sirens altogether (electronic horn, chirp, regular etc). The great thing about the sirens is that they actually sound EXACTLY like real life. If your in manhattan you hear the echo from off the buildings, and also when in a tunnel or under an overpass.

:( It sucks being a broke college graduate with a part time job. lol
in a couple of weeks I'll be able to afford a ps3.
no call yet?

[gbotj]

lol. I hear ya man.
I play it on my brother in laws Xbox360 after my PS3 broke.
No calls yet. Patiently waiting though.

[John2008]

lol. I hear ya man.
I play it on my brother in laws Xbox360 after my PS3 broke.
No calls yet. Patiently waiting though.

this waiting game crap sucks.

[FDMEDIC84]

I hear ya with having no money. I hope this call comes soon.:)

[gbotj]

yuuuup.
just wanna start already.

[John2008]

The funny thing is, everyone want to start already and once we start everyone will want the academy to end. lol

[FDMEDIC84]

haha your right

[PlainSilverTin]

another week....

[tnelly711]

good morning everyone its monday!!! time to pick up them cell phones and start the staring process!!!!

[PlainSilverTin]

i got stuck for a double tour, cell is dead, no charger......grrr

[tnelly711]

dont worry you didnt miss much...well they called the last group on a tuesday if so theres always 2morrow!...i got rdo so ill make sure not to turn the gta up to loud im hooked

[PlainSilverTin]

hahaha i haven;t gotten anywhere i've been going to the strip club and picking up hookers.....

[gbotj]

ugh, another day down. Maybe tomorrow. If not then we're back to waiting for monday.

[John2008]

If I had to guess, I would say Next Week.
When is the official start day for the academy?

[gbotj]

we'll find out when we get the call.

[John2008]

we'll find out when we get the call.

damn, you guys are worst off than we are. At least we know we're suppose to start on the 8th. Next thing you know TBTA won't have a class until sept and you guy will still be waiting.

[gbotj]

Dont you ever say that again! lol
We are hanging on to every bit of hope.
I do know someone who called hr up and they we're told its going to be a july class.

[John2008]

Dont you ever say that again! lol
We are hanging on to every bit of hope.
I do know someone who called hr up and they we're told its going to be a july class.
lol
I think you should show up at HQ and demand answer.

[gbotj]

I'll bring 50 cardboard people cut outs to make it look like a whole bunch of us.

[John2008]

I'll bring 50 cardboard people cut outs to make it look like a whole bunch of us.

There you go, that's the spirit.

[spoda]

next class sholud start end of july one class to cover the new sgts that were made. probably wont be another for a while until more retirements end of the year and next year. good luck to u all

[PlainSilverTin]

thanks for the insight Spoda,

damn what the hell am i going to do with all these cardboard people cutouts i made to join gbotj on our demand for answers?

[tnelly711]

you can bring them with you to the academy and use them as target practice! or stand them in front of the e-z pass lanes with signs that say duck crossing!

[John2008]

thanks for the insight Spoda,

damn what the hell am i going to do with all these cardboard people cutouts i made to join gbotj on our demand for answers?

LMAOO

[gbotj]

well then if it is the latter part of july then we can expect to hear something within the next two and a half weeks.....hmmmm funny.....we've been saying that for the past 2 1/2 months.

Maybe if we're lucky it will start the week of the 14th.

[FDMEDIC84]

That would be nice

[tnelly711]

maybe a phone call on the first then? would that drop us right on time for a pay cycle?

[gbotj]

who knows it might even start the 15th or the 16th. That would be good too.
Hopefully for our sake Ms. Wells isnt on vacation again for the week of the 1st like she was for memorial day (if she is, then no big deal. Shes entitled to it). But that might push calls to the 7th and the academy on the 21st.

Just speculation.

Looks like we will be graduating in the fall though......gettin ready for a cold winter......But I sure as hell aint complaining.

[FDMEDIC84]

I Just want SOON :)

[PlainSilverTin]

well my birthday is the 15th so academy starting is like a birthday present...maybe i will throw a party and stage my cutouts as guests, it'll justify all the booze....

i think its funny that we all keep saying two weeks and its been months...lol i was watching total recal the other day and there is a a scene where arnold has that fake head on and he's trying to get through customs and they are asking him how long he'll be staying (or going away i don't remember) and the fake head flips out and starts telling them TWO WEEKS....

[tnelly711]

o.k how bout some questions
anyone know at what point we recieve our sheilds?
does anyone have a picture of what the academy grays look like?
where exactly is jimmy hoffa?
how many times a day does the average kangaroo fart?

[gbotj]

You get your shields the day you graduate the academy, its presented to you by the president of the tbta. And the academy greys are the exact same thing as NYPD except it has tbta patches on them, and instead of the banana hats you wear a baseball cap with the tbta patch on it.

Jimmy hoffa is somewhere in Nassau County, and a kangaroo farts 397 times a day.

[John2008]

Man, this waiting crap sucks.
I hate it.

[PlainSilverTin]

o.k how bout some questions
anyone know at what point we recieve our sheilds?
does anyone have a picture of what the academy grays look like?
where exactly is jimmy hoffa?
how many times a day does the average kangaroo fart?

ok everyone knows jimmy's buried in giants stadium, but as far as kangaroo farts 397 sounds good but according to google (and yes i typed in how many times does a kangaroo fart...) it says that kangaroos have some sort of special bacteria in their guts that makes their farts have no methane in them = ecofriendly farts.... there is apparently research ongoing to try and transplant these bacteria to livestock of all sorts, and if it works there will be a heck of alot less greenhouse gasses, new york stays above water for atleast our lifetime!! BONUS!!!!

i worked last night (still on actually) it amazes me how many people are drawn to the macy's 4th of july fireworks, it was such crap weather, humid and raining...and there were still thousands of people, it was a mess, i was on 1st ave and it was just like past 4th of julys with great weather...everyone got jipped too, the show started way late and ended early probobly because of the weather...

ok lets see what happens next...

[gbotj]

Should hear something within the next week. I heard its supposedly set for the 29th of july.

[tnelly711]

that would make 2 weeks notice the 15th ...that means no calls this week!....ughhh!!! i dreamed the other night that i came home and check the board here and everyone got called...and then i called h.r and they said they lost my paper work and i was gunna have to start alll over next year!

[gbotj]

maybe it'll be like the june 07 class and they give 18 days notice!!!!!FRIDAY!!! hey, I can wish right?

[tnelly711]

question time

1.what type of footwear do we need for academy? and on the job?
2.how long before our benefits kick in?
3.what does the H stand for in Jesus H Christ?(?middle name?)
4.how many chickens can you squeeze into a vw beetle?

[gbotj]

they issue 2 pairs of boots when we pick up our uniforms
and the benefits kick in 90 days after employment.

[gbotj]

dont know the other two, but plainsilver is good at that.

[PlainSilverTin]

ahah! ok 2 pair of boots issued but none of them are steel toe, i hear that steel toe is probobly a good idea especially if your working the lanes. benefits kick in 90 days from hire and if you currently work for a city agency there should be no lapse in coverage at all.

the H in Jesus comes from various theories, but the one that seems most plausible is that it comes from the Greek monogram for Jesus, IHS or IHC. This is formed from the first two letters plus the last letter of his name in Greek (the letters iota, eta, and sigma; in the second instance, the C is a Byzantine Greek form of sigma). The H is actually the capital letter form of eta, but churchgoers who were unfamiliar with Greek took it to be a Latin H.
The oath does indeed seem to be American, first recorded in print at the end of the nineteenth century, although around 1910 Mark Twain wrote in his autobiography that the expression had been in use about 1850 and was considered old even then. Its long survival must have a lot to do with its cadence, and the way that an especially strong emphasis can be placed on the H. Nineteenth-century Americans weren't the first to take the Greek letters to be Latin ones - since medieval times the monogram has often been expanded into Latin phrases, such as Iesus Hominum Salvator, Jesus Saviour of Men, In Hoc Signo (vinces), in this sign (thou shalt conquer), and In Hac Salus, in this (cross) is salvation.

the trunk of the beetle only has 12 cubic feet of capacity, but when the rear seat folds dow, the beetle gets 27.1 cubic feet of storage. figure another 10square feet of space for the front and that about aproximately 50 sqare feet of space. i figure your average cooking chicken takes about half a foot, and oven stuffer is close to a square foot so i would say average regular chicken close to 100, oven stuffers or roosters maybe just over 50...

[tnelly711]

lol silver i think you should have tried out for jeopardy instead!

[gbotj]

i hear that steel toe is probobly a good idea especially if your working the lanes

that depends, would you rather have your toes crushed or severed off? steel toes will cut your toes off under a car/truck tire.

[tnelly711]

anyone know which of the 9 spots are the easiest to get to if you dont drive??

[gbotj]

for the bridges there is going to be alot of walking. Especially the triborough's
picture the bus ride for the physical.......but walking it.

[PlainSilverTin]

lol silver i think you should have tried out for jeopardy instead!

i tried for teen jeopardy but didn't make it past screening...



that depends, would you rather have your toes crushed or severed off? steel toes will cut your toes off under a car/truck tire.

check out the mythbusters episode, won't severe your toes, possibly crush them but it would have to be a hell of a lot of weight. passenger car rolling over a toe at 2 or 3 miles an hour won't do anything but scuff your leather if you have steel toes. regular boots your gonna feel that a bit...personally i think the only drawback to the steel toes is the extra weight, and if you have wide feet it might be uncomfortable just past the toes... as far as getting to a site if you don't have a car, i never even thought of that scenario but i would assume there has to be shuttle service? there are other tbta empoyees that have to get to the sites, i am sure not everyone drives...

source told me he's not sure of an end of july class, block training resumed again the beginning of the month....at this point i wouldn't hold my breath until september...but then again he did say anything is possible...he hadn't heard anything definitive about the next class going in.

alright moved on from gta IV just got battlefield: Bad Company...pretty cool game, online kinda basic but good too. regular campaign is good, the charachters are hilarious...

[gbotj]

I've been told the 29th. They were waiting for the contract to be passed to start us at the lower rate (32k instead of 36,900). Contract was ratified on thursday the 10th.

[gbotj]

by the way, I was told that block training goes on all year round, and sometimes is even done while a recruit class is in. Recruits will be in 1 room and block training will be in the room over.

[Ant61683]

If that is the new starting salary then what is the top pay like and the salary increments ???

[NYCAPO]

CONTRACT OFFER DETAILS

Dear BTOBA Sisters and Brothers,

The BTOBA Executive Board has negotiated a new tentative contract agreement with Triborough that provides wage, increases and other economic gains, as well as improvements and enhancements to benefits, retroactive to March 1, 2006. The new agreement, which would run through May 19, 2009, is tentative pending ratification by the union membership.

More specifically, this new pact provides all BTOs with increases in wages (10.5% over the life of the contract), longevity pay, uniform allowance, Check-In/Check-Out, paid holidays, and in many other areas. In addition, for the first time in our history, BTOs will receive a ground-breaking law enforcement differential. We were able to remove clauses in the old contract that were detrimental to BTOs, especially those hired after 1997 -- for example, a clause that allowed Triborough to deny this group weekends off for their entire career. We also had the progressive discipline clause amended, and we got Triborough to make the current vacation scheduling permanent for all BTOs, which means those hired after 1997 are no longer at the mercy of management’s scheduling whims.

In addition, we fought back many of Triborough’s demands. Management wanted us to pay out-of-pocket for our medical coverage like other MTA unions. We said no. They wanted to eliminate Check-In/Check-Out. We not only said no, we won an increase. There are many more areas where we made gains and also rejected Triborough’s demands. You the full Memorandum of Understanding and now we have provided a synopsis of the highlights of the tentative agreement, along with the full Memorandum of Understanding. Also enclosed is a secret mail-home ratification ballot that must be received by July 10th. Please review all of the enclosed material with your family so that you can cast an informed ratification vote. The entire BTOBA Executive Board and the full Delegate Body voted unanimously to bring this contract offer to the membership for a vote.

In closing, we believe the increases, improvements and enhancements in this tentative pact will meet the needs of BTOs and their families well into the future and, therefore, respectfully recommend that you vote to accept this new tentative contract.

In solidarity,

The BTOBA Executive Board


What We Won at the Collective Bargaining Table:

A new 38 1/2 month contract retroactive to March 1, 2006 through May 19, 2009.

Wage increases totaling 10.5% implemented as follows: 3% retroactive to March 1, 2006, 4% retroactive to March 1, 2007, and 3.5% retroactive to March 1, 2008.

Top salary increases from $52, 714 to $58,444, along with differential and fringe benefits.

No employee out-of-pocket contribution to medical plan!

A ground-breaking extra $200 annual law enforcement differential.

Disciplinary improvements. A first discipline is expunged from BTOs’ record after five years without a subsequent discipline except for insubordination or termination cases.

The current vacation scheduling system is permanent for all BTOs, meaning that all BTOs hired prior to 1997 are no longer at the mercy of Triborough’s mandatory vacation slots.

Removed clause in old contract that precluded BTOs hired after 1997 from having weekends off. Triborough now has to give BTOs hired after 1997 at least 3 of every 10 weekends off, protecting all new hires against never having a weekend off during their entire career.

Longevity allowance increased by $100 per step; also added a pensionable longevity step of $2,600 after 25 years of service.

Uniform allowance increased by $100, from $1,100 to $1,200.

Check-In/Check-Out amount increased by $150, from $2,122 to $2,272.

Increase in TBTA’s contribution to the BTOBA Family Protection Plan benefits, including the annual sum of $2,500 per active member and retiree effective May 15, 2008 and $2,620 per effective Feb. 15. 2009. In addition, Triborough will make a one-time contribution of $130,000 to the Family Protection Plan.

An extra paid holiday upon contract ratification, with future additional paid holiday accrual on Jan. 31st.

All days for perfect attendance will be cashed out and paid at the higher Paid Holiday Rate.

Improvements on Forced Overtime: In cases of forced OT, the junior BTO on the tour who has not worked OT that tour or who is not working his/her RDO, will be required to work ordered OT.

OT can be offered to a BTO even when replacing an absent temporary worker.

Documentation is no longer required for the first three emergency personal business (EPBs) in a leave year (except for those taken the day before/after or on Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Years, July 4th, Labor Day, and EPBs taken before/after RDOs or vacation.

A BTO who fails the gun-qualifying test is now entitled to a requalify on paid time, regardless of the score, on the same day or the next business day using rounds provided by Triborough (practice rounds are increased from 50 to 100, unless the BTO qualifies after the initial 50 rounds). BTOs in this situation will receive any necessary instruction prior to the requalification.

A panel consisting of a Triborough and union representative will hear appeals in cases of firearm removal. If an agreement cannot be reached, the MTA director of security (who has law enforcement background), instead of the VP of operations, will make a ruling on the appeal.

BTOs will receive OT up to 4 hours past their regular tour due to arrest duties. If arrest duties continue over 4 hours, instead of OT the next regular tour is advanced, with the BTO receiving straight time pay (including all differentials) for the advanced tour (instead of pay for the original tour. If arrest duties continue past 8 hours of the advanced tour, however, the BTO will resume OT pay for all hours beyond the 8-hour advanced tour.

A suspended BTO can bid on a new facility (but cannot transfer to the new facility until the suspension is served).

Additional affordable life insurance (approximately $200,000, without a medical exam) under the management group life insurance program is available to BTOs (paid by BTOs). Aflac is available to all BTOs for a two-year trial period.

Additional Changes: First Step Salary will remain at $36,900 for the first year of employment following ratification of the contract and new Officers in the first 11 weeks of training at the Academy will be paid 15% below starting salary. (Approximately $100 per week) After the first year, Officers will be paid the full second year rate.

We Rejected and Defeated These Triborough Concession Demands:

Triborough wanted us to pay out-of-pocket for our medical benefits on an escalating percentage basis the same as other MTA unions, which have already surpassed 1.5% of their gross wages. We will not pay any premiums for our our medical coverage!

Triborough wanted to eliminate our Check-In/Check-Out. We not only said no, we won an increase in Check-In/Check-Out.

Triborough wanted mandatory cash payments for two paid holidays, which would have meant loss of OT and a day off. We said no, and instead won an extra paid holiday and BTOs still have the discretion to take paid holidays as cash or days off.

Triborough wanted to treat a 6-hour notification of cancellation of OT as an absence, requiring a doctor’s note even though it isn’t even scheduled work.

Triborough wanted to transfer anyone at the tunnels who was not gun-qualified and authorized.. Instead, transfers to the tunnels will have to be gun-qualified and authorized.

[CJ212]

PlainSilver,

I was also told Sept. months ago by someone that works at TBTA but didn't want to say anything. I still keep in contact with my past employers and one received a letter about 3 weeks ago and one received a phone call around the same time, one of my personal references said he receive a phone call on Thursday, so you tell me are they done with the BI’s? I don’t think so. DCAS investigators have to investigate just about every agency in the city so if you think that they drop everything to just focus on us your sadly mistaken. All I can say is if their down to personal references maybe something might happen soon. Have any of you heard anything from your past jobs or other references?

[gbotj]

they do not always contact personal references, everyone that I spoke to from previous classes never had his references contacted. I believe they only contact current employers and the employer prior to your current job.

It only takes DCAS about 1 - 1 1/2 months to complete the TBTA background checks, DCAS does the LE investigation and the Yale place does the regular checks. DCAS will just check previous employers, criminal, civil, and make sure your ok to carry a firearm.

[gbotj]

And I along with a few others spoke to HR a few weeks ago (about 2-3) and was told it is going to be a july class and its going to be a single class.

[gbotj]

Quote from CJ212

I got the same letter your mom’s friend got, requesting additional documents from my investigator at DCAS. They need them by May 8th. So this means that they are not even done with the BI's. So maybe the calls will go out a week or two after May 8th. That’s if May 8th is the last day for everyone’s paper work to be completed. I’m thinking the class will start June 2nd or later.

I believe this is why you are still being investigated, there was probably a hold up and they resumed the investigation.

[FDMEDIC84]

My last 2 employers received calls from yale atleast 2 or 3 months ago. My personal references were never contacted. It sounds like you had a hold and they were finishing up your investigation.

[gbotj]

ditto on that medic

[CJ212]

DCAS will just check previous employers, criminal, civil, and make sure your ok to carry a firearm.

We'll I guess it can't be this reason, because I carry every day for work.

[CJ212]

OK, well in the morning I’m going upstate for annual training so I’ll be away from the magic box for many days, so I will not get to congratulate all of you guys getting the call on Monday. Since I will not be joining you guy’s because of my “held up BI” good luck to you all.

[gbotj]

CJ, if you ask me I think your still in it.

if they contacted your references I believe your BI is complete. I dont want to give false hope, but hey you might not have even been on hold or anything like that. It might have just been a big BI for you.

[PlainSilverTin]

PlainSilver...so you tell me are they done with the BI’s? I don’t think so. DCAS investigators have to investigate just about every agency in the city so if you think that they drop everything to just focus on us your sadly mistaken....Have any of you heard anything from your past jobs or other references?


i don't know how things got hostile all of a sudden or maybe its just the way i am reading it? i don't remember saying that our BI's were completely finished and i sure as hell never said that dcas investigators are dropping anything to focus on our stuff.... as a current NYC LEO i already know how DCAS works, believe me...i was still turning in my birth certificate 2 years after i was already on the job after they claimed i never turned it in...same thing for my marriage license and citizenship.., to be clear if i mentioned BI's being complete i should have clarified that it was the initial BI. big difference from a fully complete BI there are many people that make it onto their city jobs only to get terminated for something that the initial BI missed.

as far as my references go, my personal references were never contacted and one of my past jobs was contacted 2 months ago...i said before that if something went south we would have gotten DQ letters by now, i am assuming this according to the fact that i know some of my refferences were contacted weeks and weeks ago, i haven't killed anyone or been collard for anything lately, and i am still with my current agency in good standing.

possible your contacts are getting calls now due to list number? i am assuming that they will process according to list number if you are on the tail end of our group (wasn't our recruit group list numbers 275 - 4something?), then your employers and references getting calls now is the normal process and not a negative or delayed action.

[gbotj]

first groups BI's started in december and they were complete in january.

To be hired you need to pass a preliminary investigation. A background investigation continues for 2 years (NYPD's BI doesnt end until you are off probation).

[tnelly711]

i think this waiting is making u guys a little edgy ...relax fellas our time is gunna come...however i do think gbotj was already hired and is holding out on us...i could have sworn i saw him on the qmt carrying the torn-off bumper from a 82 caddy to the side of the road!!

[gbotj]

nope I just showed up one day. They havent cought on yet. shhhh

[PlainSilverTin]

help me i started naming the cutouts....

[SCPS PO]

Wow. I can't believe you guys are still waiting for the call. Hang in there!

[gbotj]

yuuppp still waiting........

[tnelly711]

doesnt look like its gunna be 29th ....

[bklynbob]

Due to rising costs/drops in revenue,the mta is delaying hires and not filling some positions.As with many things w/ the mta,this could change at anytime.Hang in there.

[gbotj]

Bklynbob, I believe MTA law enforcement is not under this. MTAPD hired recruits last week, and so far from what I'm hearing its still going to be real soon.

[PlainSilverTin]

it's karma, my xbox just gave out.....

[John2008]

Bklynbob, I believe MTA law enforcement is not under this. MTAPD hired recruits last week, and so far from what I'm hearing its still going to be real soon.

MTA needs to hire me after I get out the current academy, that way I can just transfer over from NYPD to MTAPD.

[NYCTNT]

DANG RIGHT JOHN!

AMEN TO THAT!

I wish they would just tell us our exam scores.

[John2008]

DANG RIGHT JOHN!

AMEN TO THAT!

I wish they would just tell us our exam scores.

yes indeed. They are taking way too long to release those scores.
it was funny tho, when I took the exam half the people there were NYPD. lol
I remember one guy telling me 1/2 of my precinct is here lol

[PlainSilverTin]

ok let me start the fire, anyone read todays paper about the bto that got fired for pulling his weapon on that fbi agent? any thoughts?

[John2008]

Beware what you say to that testy toll taker - he has a gun!

Last summer, a toll worker pulled his MTA Bridges and Tunnels-issued Glock 9mm pistol on a driver who handed him a wad of crumpled cash.

B&T Officer Daniel Bell, 38, was working toll booth No. 3 on the Queens side of the Queens Midtown Tunnel when a driver pulled up in a black Mercedes and handed him five one-dollar bills. Three of them were crumpled in the driver's hand.

Bell refused to accept the cash, stating it was MTA policy, and told the driver he needed to straighten the bills himself.

The driver happened to be FBI agent Wilfred Rattigan, 48, on his way to a movie in Manhattan that evening of Aug. 4, 2007. His brother-in-law was in the passenger seat, and his fiancée and sister were in back.

In a heated exchange, Bell called Rattigan "dude" and Rattigan demanded to see Bell's supervisor.

Bell, who had nine rudeness complaints lodged against him in his three years on the job, asked his boss to come settle the issue.

Rattigan, a 20-year FBI veteran and one of only two FBI agents stationed in Saudi Arabia on Sept. 11, 2001, then perfectly unfolded the bills to pay the $4.50 toll, according to videotaped evidence presented at an internal disciplinary hearing.

But Bell leaned back in his booth, again refusing to take any cash from Rattigan, and said he had to wait until his boss arrived.

The agent then reached under his seat and pulled a black bag onto his lap. Bell, 38, asked what was inside the bag, and Rattigan responded, "A weapon - and here is my identification," according to hearing documents.

The toll collector then ordered Rattigan to take his hands out of the bag, but Rattigan continued to pull out his ID.

Bell drew his pistol and ordered everyone in the car to place their hands on the dashboard or the seat in front of them. B&T toll workers are peace officers and are armed with guns but do not have all the powers of a cop. There are no specific agency regulations detailing when they can draw their weapons.

Video shows Bell tossing Rattigan's ID on the car's roof. Within seconds, eight other officers surround the car and aim their guns.

Once his identity as an FBI agent was confirmed, Rattigan was sent on his way by the officers. The next day, he filed a complaint with MTA Bridges and Tunnels.

A city administrative law judge heard the case, and Bell was fired for starting the dispute.

Judge Alessandra Zorgniotti ruled that he was justified in drawing his gun because Rattigan had talked about getting his own firearm and refused to take his hands out of the bag.

But she also found no valid reason for Bell to refuse Rattigan's toll money - and recommended that the agency fire him. The judge also noted the high number of rudeness complaints lodged against him.

At the department hearing, Bell argued that officers have been placed on heightened alert since 9/11 for anthrax and other toxins that might be hidden in folded money. But the judge noted this should not have been a concern because the video showed Agent Rattigan counting the bills with his bare hands.

Joe Mauro, president of the Bridge and Tunnel Officers Benevolent Association, said he was "shocked" by the decision, which is being appealed. "[Rattigan] was reaching for a firearm under the seat," he said.

Rattigan, now based in an FBI office in Mississippi, filed a lawsuit against the FBI in 2004, claiming that the bureau discriminated against him after he converted to Islam and that it failed to provide him with the resources to investigate terrorism properly after 9/11.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07202008/news/regionalnews/mta_gunslinger_takes_tough_toll_120728.htm

[PlainSilverTin]

thanks for pulling the article John, obviously justified in drawing his weapon, nobody will argue that, but i wonder what he was thinking by not taking the money after the agent straightened the bills out? i mean we weren't there we will never know...just seems like a shame to lose your job for something like that...maybe he will get his job back on the appeal, i think it's a pretty lousy reason to think that because the guy was handling the money bare handed that it was safe, if he was someone up to no good, it would be a martyr mission....i mean don't get me wrong i think they were both at fault, a little too much chest puffing on both parts...


o and got to love the ny post... "B&T toll workers are peace officers and are armed with guns but do not have all the powers of a cop..." lol

[John2008]

I think it was just a PiS*ing contest between both of them.

[NYCTNT]

plain,

Maybe you missed the point that he had 9 civilian complaints logged against him.

I dont know how one can get so many complaints when when one simply does is stand by the ezpass to lift the gate, collect the tolls, drive the rmp up and down aimlessly, or process a simple arrest. Those are not enormous tasks by any means.

I been in the game for a few years now and never had 1 against me. Even from the skells of all skells, never got one.

As far as the post hitting that line on peace officers.. they dont know their friggin left from their right. Ignore it. The only major difference between myself and a peace officer is a peace officer cant kick down a door for a warrant.

[PlainSilverTin]

no i caught that, 9 is a high count in any department. in my 3 years with my department i have none... i neglected to mention the 9 violations as being part of my initial questioning as to why he would make such a big deal over the incident and then be forced into a crap situation by drawing his weapon. you have to figure he must have been thinking "o S@#t i just got myslef into some deep dish...as the incident unfolded into what it became. i just can't imagine having the 9 CC's on my back and being that careless to get into a situation like that. Crap way to lose his job. to rack 9 in the short time he was there sounds excessive, obviously like john mentioned it was a P!$$ing match, maybe thats just how this guy's personality is, but on the other hand i can see alot of false complaints being lodged. i wasn't there and i don't know this guy, but i would imagine any bto or any officer who decides to take a more proactive approach to their job can be percieved as overzealous and get more complaints than an officer who stands there and does nothing. this case obviously warranted the complaint, but i wonder how many of the other complaints were from people he collard and or people who were forced to wait to get change for a hundred dollar bill... i don't know the scope of the other complaints but if the high number of complaints was the reason he was terminated i hope they were legitimate complaints.

[SCPS PO]

plain,

Maybe you missed the point that he had 9 civilian complaints logged against him.

I dont know how one can get so many complaints when when one simply does is stand by the ezpass to lift the gate, collect the tolls, drive the rmp up and down aimlessly, or process a simple arrest. Those are not enormous tasks by any means.

I been in the game for a few years now and never had 1 against me. Even from the skells of all skells, never got one.

As far as the post hitting that line on peace officers.. they dont know their friggin left from their right. Ignore it. The only major difference between myself and a peace officer is a peace officer cant kick down a door for a warrant.

The local papers still refer to police service weapons as service "revolver" 3/4's of the time so I don't trust them to really differentiate between a Peace/Police Officer.

[SCPS PO]

Over where I work, they hand out complaints like candy. Had a buddy of mine who worked crime who ended up suspended over an allegation of drawing his weapon on a possible perp on a 30 with a firearm. Complaint was lodged at 1929 on the day of and at 1940 after notifications were made, he was stripped of his gun and on suspension pending investigation. Funny thing is he never drew down on the alleged perp nor was he the guy that stopped the perp. Some complaints are valid. Some aren't. Hell, we had a OIS a few months ago and people who weren't even involved were filing complaints!

[gbotj]

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[DOAcop38]

Complaint or NO complaint- I don't SEE ANYTHING WRONG with drawing his weapon when someone said he has a gun on him -BADGE OR NO BADGE!!! first off- here in L.A. that would be tantamount to suicide! secondly ,what would have been wrong with the FBI agent id'ing himself as soon as it became a dispute???!! ( "hey,officer ,look I 'm FBI,lets BOTH ease up on this as PROFESSIONALS"!) I NEVER go "verbal" with any other L.E. then think its okay to grab for my fanny pack! first ID then slowly explain your actions. Had two rookie CHP officers run me down one nite on the freeway- they approached with GUNS OUT and started talking "tough" about how the car I was driving ( then) was the most stolen vehicle in So.Calif-no other "PC" other than that(no traffic or equip violations)- both had guns out and I asked if they had run my vehicles plate-they hadn't .They ordered me out of the car,to which I then- calmly and plainly - advised that I was off duty and had my beretta .45 on me-once my ID was out, I got alot of youthful hemming and hawing ,and even an "apology"-but no one got p.o'd and NO ONE GOT HURT OR AN I.A. beef; sometimes- even when you are right( or wrong) you need to step back and be the bigger man. That FBI agent KNEW the BTO - even if he was a jerk- was a LEO and should have just "chilled out" until a supv. arrived..........

[DOAcop38]

plain,

Maybe you missed the point that he had 9 civilian complaints logged against him.

I dont know how one can get so many complaints when when one simply does is stand by the ezpass to lift the gate, collect the tolls, drive the rmp up and down aimlessly, or process a simple arrest. Those are not enormous tasks by any means.


Shows your "contempt" for fellow LEOs ! ( guess you think Port auth. cops sit on their thumbs ,and State park police chase squirrels? Or let me guess- you and your guys are the ONLY ones serving and protecting all over the city...) first off - its easy to get a complaint.Show up on a call where your co-worker is in a huff and puff match with a ctzn and your name and badge# can end up in the complaint. Catch a ctzn p.o'd on the wrong day and looking to lash out , there's the complaint.Do the job RIGHT and somebody dancing to the Al "greasy do" Sharp"tone" game, will dog you out just becuase you wear a badge ! Ask this question though- HOW MANY SUSTAINED complaints has he had? thats what matters- if they are sustained and are showing a continuous pattern of misconduct, its now on the supvs to look at "why" he is getting them( is the position stressful to the employee, the wrong duty for the employee,or is the employee just plain BAD at his job?)-Then ask- can he be retrainted or transferred. As it sounds they- simply canned the guy.......



Never "question" anothers guys working condition UNTIL you "know" exactly what they go thru....

[gbotj]

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[DOAcop38]

.anyway- nothing yet you guys?(anyone applying elsewhere)

[gbotj]

negative. its gonna be soon though.

[tnelly711]

i just put in my application for burger king....got the p.a.t next week ...have to run 40 miles in the scary king suit in under 30 minutes...then they make u run up and down 2 stairwells covered in ketchup with hamburger buns tied ta ya shoes!!!..been training everyday

[tnelly711]

there gunna call us 2 morrow i got a good feeling!!!!

[gbotj]

I dont know, I hope so. But look at it this way, each day down is 1 day closer. I hope its real soon though.

[NYCTNT]

No, a total misunderstanding. When I say aimlessly, it is a general saying of just cruising and whatever happens, happens. I do it everyday.

A BTO is not kicking down the wrong door for a drug sting. A BTO is not subject to conducting stop, question and frisks where majority of complaints are generated from on a frequent basis.

You can be a very active BTO, but as an everyday police officer, I have a far more greater chance of getting a complaint than a BTO with limited duties. I have friends that are BTO's, and I have helped many many many BTO's doing arrest processing.

I in no way knock their job, but to get 9 complaints in 3 years with generally easy post assignments and with no "quota" is a bit much.

As far as knocking other cops, I would never dare. I had my fair share of interactions with all types of LEO's. Police/Peace, whatever. From parks enforcement patrol to nys parks police.

Unfortunently the only negative interaction I ever had with law enforcement was with a wise guy "DOD POLICE OFFICER" or security guard, or whatever they are. He was almost a collar, took all I had to walk away.

[gbotj]

oh no doubt TNT, for all the times I see you post I've never seen you post a negative comment about another job. Thats why I knew you didnt mean how it came across.

Hey, some of the most proactive police work is done by just driving aimlessly lol.

[gbotj]

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[PlainSilverTin]

i just put in my application for burger king....got the p.a.t next week ...have to run 40 miles in the scary king suit in under 30 minutes...then they make u run up and down 2 stairwells covered in ketchup with hamburger buns tied ta ya shoes!!!..been training everyday

dude...so wrong....


well i guess we will see what happens, if his termination is on appeal we should hear something in a few months. like i said it's a tough situation, he should have known his 9 complaints (valid or not) were going to make him a scapegoat. according to the post, termination was decided instead of a few weeks on the street because of the high number of complaints. Justified in drawing his weapon, but the guy complied to what he wanted! (straightened the bills and handed it to him...) and to boot he identified himself. i would have grit my teeth and kept it movin...in my opinion that was a bad judgement call to butt heads with another LEO over a couple of crumpled bills.

i don't mess with other LEO's and i don't mess with Medical Personnel unless they've done something really outrageous...i think your just asking for it if you do...

[Ant61683]

Well i hope it is soon for you guys , then it will let us know about how long it will take me and everyone else ... lololol

[NYCTNT]

ant,

After you get on with sanitation next month, you will never look at another job again.

You will be laughing to the bank every week(yes, weekly) at all of these other L/E jobs.

I believe you can roll into Sanitation Police after 2 yrs as a San-Man.

If I would have taken that exam when I had the chance to a while back, I would never be where I am now. I would be richer, and work far less. 3 hours per day on average for a San-Man is beeeeeautiful!

[PlainSilverTin]

amen, once you get into sanitation you should be gravy good luck with that Ant. ok kids let the waiting game restart, hopefully i get my xbox back next week.

[John2008]

ant,

After you get on with sanitation next month, you will never look at another job again.

You will be laughing to the bank every week(yes, weekly) at all of these other L/E jobs.

I believe you can roll into Sanitation Police after 2 yrs as a San-Man.

If I would have taken that exam when I had the chance to a while back, I would never be where I am now. I would be richer, and work far less. 3 hours per day on average for a San-Man is beeeeeautiful!

We have a guy from sanitation in my company.

[gbotj]

you can make all the money in the world and still be unhappy. To some people LE is a calling.

[SCPS PO]

Guy with the list number right before mine when I was at the TBTA PAT was already on the job with Sanitation. Said he couldn't stand it. Different strokes for different folks.

[NYCTNT]

When I went through the academy, we had guys from all over the city coming on. Nothing new.

On another note, I two guys with a few years on that left in the past year or so to go to sanitation. It goes both ways. Paid weekly and double $ for OT is a real nice thing to have!

[vab1978]

I know we have been around this topic several times, but there was a post on the tbtarant yesterday saying there is a 60 day hiring freeze which started July 9th.

http://www.tbtarant.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=80&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=10

Maybe it applies to us, maybe it doesn't. Who knows, I certainly don't.

Has anybody called personnel lately and gotten any info?

[Ant61683]

NYCTNT , PlainTin thank you guys ! we'll see what happens in a couple weeks when i start.. I will still inquire about this job and like you said NYCTNT i will try my hardest to get in the sanitation police .. I just have no clue of the process and how to even apply .. I also wonder if it is harder to get into than other L/E positions.... ?

[gbotj]

Vab, I'm not too sure if that really applies to us. I've been told about it about a week ago, but the MTAPD hired a class this month. Maybe LE is not affected. who knows.

[gw35]

I know we have been around this topic several times, but there was a post on the tbtarant yesterday saying there is a 60 day hiring freeze which started July 9th.

http://www.tbtarant.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=80&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=10

Maybe it applies to us, maybe it doesn't. Who knows, I certainly don't.

Has anybody called personnel lately and gotten any info?

I haven't heard specifically the word "freeze" used at my facility but what I did hear is that the class has been pushed back to mid to late September.

Relatively the same, I know, but........

[CJ212]

What happened to July 29th?

[gbotj]

like all the other rumors....fell through.

[CJ212]

Well so much for a hiring freeze. I got the chief in the mail today a right on the front page is an ad for Temp BTO's. First paragraph reads “The Metropolitan Transportation Authority is now hiring temporary Bridge and Tunnel Officers.” $12.85 per hour benefits after 90 days.

[gbotj]

hahahaha. I dont know what the hell to believe anymore. So maybe there is and maybe there isnt.
We will find out soon though.

[DOAcop38]

We have a guy from sanitation in my company.

does anyone have photos of DSNY police officers on duty or their equipment?

[gbotj]

heres a few pictures of their radio cars

http://members.fortunecity.com/nypolicecars/nycsan.html

[NYCTNT]

Just to make it clear, they are sanitation police but are peace officers as per nys cpl, not police officers. Same difference though.

[NYSJAILER2008]

Just to make it clear, they are sanitation police but are peace officers as per nys cpl, not police officers. Same difference though.
NYCTNT, Are Sanitation Peace Officers able to possess firearms on ID/badge or do they have to get a permit from NYPD? For some reason I heeard they cannot posses without a Pistol permit for 1PP!!! And I read the CPL and it is written that way:confused::eek:

[Dinosaur32]

CPL Section 2.10 (59) states that Sanitation Police Officers can only carry if they receive a carry permit.

[PlainSilverTin]

does anyone have photos of DSNY police officers on duty or their equipment?

i have an acquaintance who is dsny police and i've seen him on duty. aside from patches, the average person would not tell the difference between him and nypd.

Ant, dsny police is an appointed position, they can be busted back down to working on the trucks if the crap hits the fan. and i've only seen them at 2 laffayette where their commisioner is, though i know they are posted in other areas. i think someone mentioned you have to be on teh job at least 2 years before you can apply and be appointed, the guy i know was on for 3 then he got appointed. it's a good division to get into if you want LE.

[Ant61683]

Yea L/E is def. what i would love to do .. I have a family friend that is extremely high up in Sanitation that works in HQ's , when the time comes i'll worry about getting in ..

[NYSJAILER2008]

CPL Section 2.10 (59) states that Sanitation Police Officers can only carry if they receive a carry permit.
That sucks,.,,so I guess i read it right...Thanks Dino

[NYCTNT]

I really dont know. In the cpl, it states a lot of peace officers cannot possess or carry a gun as per section 400 of the cpl. Most of it is BS as they CAN carry on their shield.

I could be wrong, but im only a cop and only went to 1pp a handful of times. All I can tell you is where the front door is.

out of the CPL:
59. Officers and members of the sanitation police of the department of
sanitation of the city of New York, duly appointed and designated as
peace officers by such department; provided, however, that nothing in
this subdivision shall be deemed to authorize such officer to carry,
possess, repair or dispose of a firearm unless the appropriate license
therefor has been issued pursuant to section 400.00 of the penal law.
Provided, further, that nothing in this subdivision shall be deemed to
apply to officers and members of the sanitation police regularly and
exclusively assigned to enforcement of such city`s residential recycling
laws.

[Dinosaur32]

Peace Officer status is granted by the Legislature. A Peace Officer's ability to carry a firearm is determined by the enabling language in CPL Section 2.1. An agency can set policy affecting the Officer's right to carry.

[gbotj]

Back on topic to TBTA


I was searching through the internet, and found a few articles from the past on MTA's hiring freeze.
The MTA has freezed hiring a few times over the course of a few years. In all of them they said all essential workers are exempt such as law enforcement, bus drivers etc.
So I guess that explains why they are still hiring temps, and I think BTO's are exempt from this freeze too.

Back to waiting starting tomorrow.

[SCPS PO]

Buddy of mine worked for Sanman Police. Told me there were different divisions. Not a bad gig, he gets a take home city car with a light/siren package Sat/Sun RDO's. He ended up in a Plainclothes detail looking for people committing illegal dumping. Not much OT though. He said they used to carry on the shield but that changed a few years ago.

[jerry40]

I'm not trying to stir the pot here but are these TBTA guys cops?? I was coming over the Throgs Neck yesterday and I saw one "officer" with a full beard, untrimmed (looked almost like Billy Gibbons)....not very professional if you ask me.

[gbotj]

Have you seen the the NYPD cops with dread locks, corn rows, and the same beards(beards up until about a year ago)?

And yes, they are cops.

[gbotj]

double post

[NYSJAILER2008]

I'm not trying to stir the pot here but are these TBTA guys cops?? I was coming over the Throgs Neck yesterday and I saw one "officer" with a full beard, untrimmed (looked almost like Billy Gibbons)....not very professional if you ask me.
They are not (Police Officers) if that is what you mean by Cops. They are Armed NYS Peace Officers with full arrest powers. They work for MTA's TBTA. And maybe that officer was a veteran officer which are allowed to have facial hair if they been on the job before a certain year or has an excused medical for a full beard. And if you broke any laws in his presence then that very unprofessional looking Officer would be taking you to very professional looking jail were you would end up meeting me and I have a full beard and would love to hear all about your fellings on how unprofessional I look.:mad:

[jerry40]

They are not (Police Officers) if that is what you mean by Cops. They are Armed NYS Peace Officers with full arrest powers. They work for MTA's TBTA. And maybe that officer was a veteran officer which are allowed to have facial hair if they been on the job before a certain year or has an excused medical for a full beard. And if you broke any laws in his presence then that very unprofessional looking Officer would be taking you to very professional looking jail were you would end up meeting me and I have a full beard and would love to hear all about your fellings on how unprofessional I look.:mad:

You jus proved my point. With a post like that you just proved how "professional" you really are. Prob why your locked up all day in a cage with the rest of the savages and scum of society. I'd love to come and visit you but I have higher aspirations in life. Stay safe guy. :)

[NYSJAILER2008]

You jus proved my point. With a post like that you just proved how "professional" you really are. Prob why your locked up all day in a cage with the rest of the savages and scum of society. I'd love to come and visit you but I have higher aspirations in life. Stay safe guy. :)
I am sure with your ignorance I will see you soon behind bars. I will love to see how long you would last locked up with the savages and scum of society. I highly doubt that you could ever make it to become a sworn officer in NYS so we dont have to worry about that waste of time. I dont have to prove how professional I am to you, Jerry. I will show you anytime you walk thru my gates as a inmate or civilian visitor. You stay safe Jerry when you cross them bridges because one of those unprofessional officers might have to save you life.:rolleyes:

[CJ212]

gbotj,

No need to wait, I called H.R. Friday and they said September. Don't believe me call them see if they give you a different answer.

[gbotj]

geeze. well thanks for the heads up man. looks like a month of waiting for the call then.

[CJ212]

By the way I got another letter stating that I'm qualified and I meet the requirements. Talk about a weight being lifted. I guess they put the academy on hold until my BI was completed. :D

[CJ212]

Give them a call see what they tell you.

[tnelly711]

anyone else get a letter? cj212 what was ur list num?

[gbotj]

I didnt get one.
I know they sent them to the June 07 class, but not Feb 08 class.

[gbotj]

CJ when did you get the letter?

[CJ212]

I got it Friday. I think it was because BI was taking so long and I had to submit missing documents. It says Decision: Qualified, for consideration and then it gives reasons why I'm qualified they are as follows Candidate meets requirements and candidate meets veteran’s preference requirements. At the bottom it says, Ordered actions: Update list with recommendation. Notify TBTA.

[gbotj]

yeesss thats what its for, because KY got one of them too for the june 2007 class. His BI was extended too because his paperwork was lost.

well congrats on that.

[CJ212]

He got it right before the class?

[gbotj]

he didnt say, he just said that he recieved one.

[CJ212]

Have any of you called the DCAS automated line? If so does it say you are on an outstanding certification or not on an outstanding certification? and what does it mean?

[gbotj]

nope, didnt even know about it. Doesnt the outstanding certification mean a list that has been extended?

[CJ212]

Call dcas to get the automated info...(212)669-1357 press 2 when she says thank you for calling dcas......Then enter your ss#, then 6091.....See if she says that you ARE or NOT currently on an outstanding certification.

[gbotj]

CJ, I found out what that outstanding certification means.

When DCAS has not reached your list number you are on "outstanding certification"
When DCAS HAS reached your list number you are "not on outstanding certification"

Its just so people know if packets were sent to them to begin processing.
So for us it would have been

Prior to 2/21/08 (the date we were reached on the eligible list) we were on an outstanding certification
After 2/21/08 we were not on an outstanding certification.

[rtmcqueen]

CJ, I found out what that outstanding certification means.

When DCAS has not reached your list number you are on "outstanding certification"
When DCAS HAS reached your list number you are "not on outstanding certification"

Its just so people know if packets were sent to them to begin processing.
So for us it would have been

Prior to 2/21/08 (the date we were reached on the eligible list) we were on an outstanding certification
After 2/21/08 we were not on an outstanding certification.

wrong gbotj, its the other way around, when they start to call people off the list your on an outstanding cert, first hand knowledge:D

[gbotj]

I dont know, thats how it was explained to me.

[CJ212]

Yeah, rtmcqueen is right. I called DCAS today and they said you’re “not on an outstanding certification” when you’re waiting to be called, but when they start calling for offers of employment from the list your put “on an outstanding certification.”

[CJ212]

So right now were "not on an outstanding certification."

[gbotj]

oh ok I got it.

[PlainSilverTin]

yeah called the automated line, i'm not on an outstanding cert...just to put it out there for everyone curious, the last list number appointed was #265 and the last number called was #448 as per the detailed info given, hope that gives folks an idea, info current as of 8/3/08

finally got my 360 back, had the red rings of death, as an aside if you have this problem the guy i had repair it (mine was out of warranty) fixed it for 50 dollars which includes the shipping to him and back to you after he fixes it. i burned through 4 hours of halo the night i got it back and the system didn't even get remotely as hot as it used to. pm me for his info. very honest guy, i accidentally left my copy of bad company in the system and he didn't know which system it came out of so he waited for someone to reach him with the serial number. he shipped it back to me no charge...

[BigHouseStyles]

Might be too late now after reading all of this.:(

I took this TBTA exam and my list # was in the double digits and when I recently called the automated DCAS number, something I've should've done a long time ago, it stated that I was not qualified for the position(or something along those lines). Guess it has to do w/ not receiving the packet that many here have and missing the orientation because of it. I received my score back in the Oct.-Nov. date-frame. Being that the MTA is notoriously slow when it comes scoring and calling people, I didn't give it much thought, until I found this forum.

Can I try to appeal, even though it appears to be too late? Hell, is it even worth it?

[gbotj]

all you have to do is call up human resources and send in a reinstatement letter to HR. Then you will be put back on the list, and processed with the next group.

[BigHouseStyles]

Edit: Found the number. Thanks for the tip.

[PlainSilverTin]

yeah gbot is correct, there were quite a few hold overs from the first group of applicants that went in with teh 2nd group because they did not recieve their packets. give them a call and see what they say at HR

[Jayc6018]

I'm in the 900's on the list when they getting to me lol

[gbotj]

lol

Hopefully soon! for all of our sake!

[PlainSilverTin]

I'm in the 900's on the list when they getting to me lol


the last list number appointed was #265 and the last number called was #448 as per the detailed info given, hope that gives folks an idea, info current as of 8/3/08...

probobly some time in 2009...thats if we ever get called for academy....

[TallCoolOne]

Hey guys...my list # is below 448....have not received any mail for a while....no "you have been certified" letter since the physical....anybody know why ??

[gbotj]

they only send those letters to people who had their investigations extended.


I think the class might be going in around sept. 9th ish
So looks like 1 more week, then we start watching our phones again.

[BigHouseStyles]

If a BTO is under 21, is s/he allowed to carry off duty?

[gbotj]

Yes a BTO under 21 will have full carry on and off duty.

The 21 rule is only for pistol permits.
That's why a lot of PD's in NYS hire at 20 and NYS courts and TBTA hire at 18.

[CJ212]

Read last post.

http://tbtarant.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=80&start=30

[gbotj]

I doubt it will be Oct.
I've been hearing sept for the past month and a half, and BTO's are bidding for facilities in Sept. and they do that when a new class goes in. So I'm still banking on mid-late Sept.

[NYCTNT]

Just a curiousity question..

But most of you guys are pretty young and shooting for becoming BTO's.

Do you really want to be a BTO for 25years or do you guys plan on joining NYPD(yea right), or some other L/E agency in the future.

[gbotj]

who knows what the future holds. Right now all I'm concerned about is getting on the job with tbta.

[gw35]

I doubt it will be Oct.
I've been hearing sept for the past month and a half, and BTO's are bidding for facilities in Sept. and they do that when a new class goes in. So I'm still banking on mid-late Sept.

Oct is what I heard and if that falls through then it will be sometime Jan 09. As for biddings, well there are no bids going on at my fac. nor have I heard of any biddings going on at other facs.

[Ant61683]

good luck to everyone else , i most likely will not be taking the TBTA .. doesnt make sense to now .. lolol.. Hope everyone stays healthy and safe .

[John2008]

Just a curiousity question..

But most of you guys are pretty young and shooting for becoming BTO's.

Do you really want to be a BTO for 25years or do you guys plan on joining NYPD(yea right), or some other L/E agency in the future.

LOL@joining the NYPD(yea right).

[John2008]

So, The ones who are waiting will start the TBTA academy sometime in 2009?

[PlainSilverTin]

good luck to everyone else , i most likely will not be taking the TBTA .. doesnt make sense to now .. lolol.. Hope everyone stays healthy and safe .

ant, good luck at sanitation bro!

[gbotj]

good luck with the sanman job ant.
Great job.

[NYJets44288]

anybody have any idea what numbers this test will probably get down to? I'm mid 700's with an 89.

[gbotj]

John, I'm still hearing September.
If September fails then 99.9% it will be october. Classes have gone in Dec. too so its pretty definite the class will start prior to 2009.