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marc1733
04-12-2006, 01:35 AM
I was just given a citiation today for driving with an expired registration. My registration expired on March 31st and had no idea it was. The officer explained to me that this was not a moving violation and that points would not be assessed.

My question is, if it's not a moving violation then why how could I get it in the first place? What I mean was, if I was moving (I was driving)then how could it be a non-moving violation. I am not trying to be a wise guy, only trying to understand. I was under the impression that I needed to be stopped for something else to write a ticket for registration...ie like getting stopped for speeding and then writing a seat belt ticket. I also thought that this was a voidable ticket if i corrected it (which I already did).

Any insight would be appreciated.

Norkem
04-12-2006, 01:56 AM
A moving violation is when you violate "rules of the road" type laws such as speeding, turns, passing, traffic signs, signals and controls, granting right of way, etc. These laws typically are assigned points which can be assessed against your drivers license which could eventually lead to a license suspension.

Driving with expired registration or unregistered vehicle are "paperwork" type laws and typically do not carry points which would be assessed against your drivers license.

Tennsix
04-12-2006, 10:18 AM
On the flip side, your car could be impounded and held until you get plates. You would be responsible for the towing and storage fees, in addtion to the ticket.

RBrodowski
04-12-2006, 11:14 AM
I love those tickets because you can't fight them. They're either expired or not. In Georgia it's over a $250 to pay one of those off.

Even though you must be driving on the roadway to be issued the citation, it is not a moving violation. Basically we need to see your car on a public roadway because we cannot issue citations on private property or parking lots (with except of DUI and Reckless Driving).

Jack Price
04-12-2006, 05:55 PM
I was just given a citiation today for driving with an expired registration. My registration expired on March 31st and had no idea it was. The officer explained to me that this was not a moving violation and that points would not be assessed..


While every state is different, usually states have "moving violations" for which points are assessed against a violator's privilege to drive, and "non-moving" violations for which points are not assessed. Non-movers may be written for violations committed while moving (license plate light not working, no valid registration, no proof of insurance, etc) but do not affect your privilege to drive on the roads. Movers, such as speeding, reckless driving, stop sign violation, etc accrue points against your driving privileges. If it helps clear it up any, I can write you for haveing a headlight out when I do a safety check at a stop sign intersection, but cannot write you for speeding unless I catch you moving faster than the allowed speed. :D

kirch
04-12-2006, 06:49 PM
It all depends on where you are.

Here, I can conduct a random check of a vehicle registration as long as I see the vehicle operating on a public roadway. If it comes back expired, it's a primary offense -- in other words, probable cause to make a stop.

In most cases I write a written warning giving people a certain amount of time to rectify the situation. If they do so in the prescribed time period, I throw away the warning. If they don't, I issue a citation by mail.

JKralC104
04-12-2006, 08:28 PM
I do not understand how people don't know their registartion tags are expired... In Ohio it expires on your birthday month. How can you not know???

marc1733
04-13-2006, 04:47 AM
I do not understand how people don't know their registartion tags are expired... In Ohio it expires on your birthday month. How can you not know???

I do not examine my registration daily...maybe you do. Ohio has an easy way then. I got my inspection and emissions done last month in which I remembered because I'm always looking at the stickers on my windsheild. I never look at my registration or license plate. I know I'll never forget again.

Thanks for your imput guys, I appreciate it!

10 FORTY 3
04-13-2006, 05:48 PM
In reference to your comment on being pulled over for another violation before you can be cited for the expired tags....that probably varies from state to state. A common misconception of the "general public" is that Law Enforcement needs "probable cause" to stop you. This is inaccurate, US case law states all you need to conduct a traffic stop on a violator is "reasonable suspicion". So if an officer observed your license plate expired...that gave him "reasonable suspicion" to pull you over and find out why you didn't renew your tags.

TXLEO
04-18-2006, 10:22 PM
I _LOVE_ writing expired tag tickets. I actively seek them out.

I have ZERO sympathy for folks who drive around with expired tags. All my stuff is up to date, and always has been. Those stickers are there for you to look at em. And you get a notice in the mail that they are going to expire.

PhilipCal
04-19-2006, 03:04 PM
It's been pretty well explained to you, but here it is once more. While the laws on registration vary from state to state, and some states will allow a grace period, the basic requirement is that your vehicle be properly and currently registered. If a Peace Officer observes you with an expired tag, he needs NO other reason to stop you. Registration violations are NOT moving violations, and therefore in most states no points are assessed on your driving record. An example of a moving violation would be unlawful speed, runing a stop sign, DUI, etc. Points are assessed for these and other moving(rules of the road) violations. If you haven't already done so, I would urge you to take of the citation you recieved, as there are sanctions(arrest warrants, suspension of driver's license) if you fail to do so. Hope this clears up any questions you may have had.

51094
04-19-2006, 05:40 PM
From my experience, a vehicle with expired tags most likely also has expired insurance. (You need active insurance to register a vehicle in Alberta). No insurance carries a $2875 fine on the first offence. I am more than happy to hand out no insurance/registration tickets becuase of the headaches that are caused when someone who doesn't have his stuff up to date is involved in an accident with someone else.

Phantom135
04-20-2006, 07:54 AM
I do not examine my registration daily...maybe you do. Ohio has an easy way then. I got my inspection and emissions done last month in which I remembered because I'm always looking at the stickers on my windsheild. I never look at my registration or license plate. I know I'll never forget again.

Thanks for your imput guys, I appreciate it!

That is one of the very few decent things about Ohio. Our tags expire on the vehicle owner's birthday and also we can get them renewed 90 days (EXACTLY, not 91 as I found out years ago)early. This year I am going to renew in June probably, since both cars are in my name.

I've had relatives say "My tags don't expire till the end of the month." I said "Mine do, since my bd is the 31st, but they are set up according to the owner's bd, and even one day after that they can get hit for expired tags. I know. :o "

Mike G from NC
04-20-2006, 08:31 AM
I run tags that are displaying the current month/year, most times they come back revoked. In NC if your insurance lapses your plate will be revoked. When/if your are stopped the plate is removed and you are charged.

VSPTAC
04-20-2006, 06:04 PM
So if an officer observed your license plate expired...that gave him "reasonable suspicion" to pull you over and find out why you didn't renew your tags.

Hmmmm.....I believe that would be PC that some one violated the code, not resonable suspicion, if you observed a vehicle with an expired tag. :eek:

powertripboyz
05-10-2006, 12:47 AM
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iowapride
05-10-2006, 03:26 AM
So... when someone accidentally runs you over or not so accidentally shoots you in the face I will have ZERO sympathy because I have ZERO sympathy for pathetic a-holes like you.

Have a nice day, *****.

You feel that way because it was your fault for not registering your vehical? Grow up...

Jimmy127
05-10-2006, 05:14 AM
I enjoyed this post because it shows what I've always suspected. People like you become police officers because you are losers on a power trip and can't get any other job. You ENJOY hassling people and f-ing up their day with this idiotic BS. For your information, no they DON'T send you any notices in the mail that tell you that your registration is about to expire. They hope that you will forget and an a-hole cop like you will notice. Also, maybe YOU sit there and look at the stickers on your plate all day because you're a retard with no life. Most people don't and it is EXTREMELY EASY to forget to renew the damn registration. It is really not something I ever think about unless I'm reminded.

People like you are the reason so many people HATE cops. You are supposed to serve and protect, but instead of dealing with criminals you're out there getting fat off the salary we pay you with our taxes and to hassle law abiding citizens. And you obviously get a lot of pleasure out of it.

So... when someone accidentally runs you over or not so accidentally shoots you in the face I will have ZERO sympathy because I have ZERO sympathy for pathetic a-holes like you.

Have a nice day, *****.

And you do not accept responsibility for your actions, or in this case failure to act. From this post, to put it mildly, you seem quite the fool. At your age I would think you had the maturity not to require someone to hold your hand in the daily walk of life, but apparently you need special treatment.

As for your ZERO sympathy comments, I don't think anyone worth their salt will spend a heart beat missing whatever sympathy a spastic imbecile such as yourself could offer.

Have a nice day, freakshow.

ppd453
05-10-2006, 06:13 AM
Not to thread hijack but someone mentioned earlier that they could impound a vehicle for expired tags. Here at my PD we could (and I have for 4 years) but they just changed our policy because there is "no legal standing" to impound. Now we cannot tow for expired tags, no insurance, fictitious plates, or no ops. So my question is "is there state law to back you up or is it dept policy?" If there happens to be case law backing you up could you relay that info to me so I can pass it on to the brass. This really bothers me because it takes away one of the easiest ways for me to get inside a car (inventory search). Thanks.

t150vsuptpr
05-10-2006, 07:14 AM
I enjoyed this post because it shows what I've always suspected. People like you become police officers because you are losers on a power trip and can't get any other job. You ENJOY hassling people and f-ing up their day with this idiotic BS. For your information, no they DON'T send you any notices in the mail that tell you that your registration is about to expire. They hope that you will forget and an a-hole cop like you will notice. Also, maybe YOU sit there and look at the stickers on your plate all day because you're a retard with no life. Most people don't and it is EXTREMELY EASY to forget to renew the damn registration. It is really not something I ever think about unless I'm reminded.

People like you are the reason so many people HATE cops. You are supposed to serve and protect, but instead of dealing with criminals you're out there getting fat off the salary we pay you with our taxes and to hassle law abiding citizens. And you obviously get a lot of pleasure out of it.

So... when someone accidentally runs you over or not so accidentally shoots you in the face I will have ZERO sympathy because I have ZERO sympathy for pathetic a-holes like you.

Have a nice day, *****.

Registration is a form of tax, I have been paying for registrations for over 35 years, and they have always been current. I currently have 3 cars, a truck, three bikes, and two trailers that all have curent registrations, and Va state inspections as well. I have no problem keeping up with it.

Citizens who fail to keep up thier responsabilities of vehicle ownership like registrations, inspections, insurance, are not exactly totally "law abiding". Law here requires all those things as well as proper lighting, glass, tires, exhaust, etc.

Speaking of criminals (you mentioned them), wasn't Timothy McVeigh stopped over just such a registration violation? ;)


It's really not so difficult as you find it to be ... it's just that you may have so little to "apply" to the task I guess. :rolleyes:

kirch
05-10-2006, 04:19 PM
So... when someone accidentally runs you over or not so accidentally shoots you in the face I will have ZERO sympathy because I have ZERO sympathy for pathetic a-holes like you.

Have a nice day, *****.
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Centurion44
05-11-2006, 07:26 AM
My question is, if it's not a moving violation then why how could I get it in the first place?

the same way you can get a ticket for not having headlights, brakelights, a muffler, etc.


What I mean was, if I was moving (I was driving)then how could it be a non-moving violation. I am not trying to be a wise guy, only trying to understand. I was under the impression that I needed to be stopped for something else to write a ticket for registration...ie like getting stopped for speeding and then writing a seat belt ticket. I also thought that this was a voidable ticket if i corrected it (which I already did).

Okay, I see some others explained the "moving violation" part. I'm just going to give you some free advice: pay the ticket. You obviously don't know enough about traffic law to fight it.

I would also recommend you take some kind of driver safety course or, at the very least, go to your DMV and pick up a copy of the booklet they give to new drivers- most of that stuff should be in there.

m_chevy
05-23-2006, 03:46 AM
Registration is a form of tax, I have been paying for registrations for over 35 years, and they have always been current. I currently have 3 cars, a truck, three bikes, and two trailers that all have curent registrations, and Va state inspections as well. I have no problem keeping up with it.

The IRS doesn't send you a bill every year, do they? But you know when it's due.

As far as the dickhead who thinks cops are on a power trip for stopping people for 5204(a) VC, I've developed cases of the following types off the drivers and occupants

207 pc, 211 pc, 243 pc, 245 pc, 496 pc---- 23152 (a) &(b) vc, 23222 (a) &(b) VC-- 11364 H&S, 11377 H&S Not to mention the numerous warrant arrest that result from 5204(a) stops.

You want real police work, look up these California codes and see what I do. Until you can stand in my shoes, shut the FFFFFFFFF UP!!!!!!!!

pvtbuddie
05-23-2006, 04:18 AM
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SinePari
05-23-2006, 08:36 AM
For your information, no they DON'T send you any notices in the mail that tell you that your registration is about to expire. They hope that you will forget and an a-hole cop like you will notice. Also, maybe YOU sit there and look at the stickers on your plate all day because you're a retard with no life. Most people don't and it is EXTREMELY EASY to forget to renew the damn registration. It is really not something I ever think about unless I'm reminded.

Have a nice day, *****.

If you are in MA like you profile says, this state DOES send a renewal notice to you by mail, at least 90 days in advance of the expiration. So, unless you moved and didn't notify the RMV of your new address (a violation itself), then you wouldn't get it.

So it sounds like you got stopped, cited, and your car towed because you were too lazy/stupid/high/drunk/playing video games/surfing porn/hanging out in rest areas/picking your nose, rather than maintaining a properly registered vehicle on the roads of the commonwealth.

Have a nice day, unregistered motorist.

Phantom135
05-27-2006, 04:11 PM
If you are in MA like you profile says, this state DOES send a renewal notice to you by mail, at least 90 days in advance of the expiration. So, unless you moved and didn't notify the RMV of your new address (a violation itself), then you wouldn't get it.

So it sounds like you got stopped, cited, and your car towed because you were too lazy/stupid/high/drunk/playing video games/surfing porn/hanging out in rest areas/picking your nose, rather than maintaining a properly registered vehicle on the roads of the commonwealth.

Have a nice day, unregistered motorist.

Ohio does the same thing. we got the notice for my wife's tags from her old car, one of which is on the wall in the garage, and the other in another garage. Her car is in my name, so we obviously had to let her tags go. People ask me now and then why we get them early instead of on the day they are due up, and I say "It's one less bill I have to be concerned about." :)

Phantom135
05-30-2006, 02:04 AM
Today on the way to work I saw a mercury with November 05 sticker still. I said to my wife "There's someone who's playing with fire." :p

jeffIL
04-16-2011, 01:45 AM
Wow! Digging up a five year old thread just for that? Sure, its your "right" to try to break the law and its my "right" to catch you. This stuff is really pretty simple.

Dingo990
04-16-2011, 05:57 AM
Wow, this is the day of the crazies. I was still early in my career when this thread was last open. Heck, I've written literally thousands of expired tag tickets since 05-30-2006

Expired registration are my favorite tickets. If someone has a good story, I might cut them a break, but they usually don't. And forgetting is not a good excuse. Especially since the date is freaken printed on the tag.

Expired tags are especially good because expired insurance and suspended license tend to tag along.

jeffIL
04-16-2011, 06:39 AM
I did not see the date. So sue me. And who cares anyway? My input was valid and relevant. But you completely missed the point. Also, here in arizona, you cant pull someone over for registration alone. Its a secondary enforcement law. :P

I'm not sure it was valid or relevant. You came to a police website complaining about someone enforcing the law and say you ahve the right to attempt to break it. Pretty dumb.

vincelli
04-16-2011, 08:02 AM
Uhm, you're forgetting that the revenue generated from things such as registrations goes toward development and upkeep of roadways. Even so, there never seems to be enough to keep the damn roads the way they should be. I for one would prefer we actually HAVE roads, unlike the non-road-having Country your solution (no one should have to pay who doesn't want to) would create.

And, by not paying your registration you are indeed hurting others since they have to pay more fees and taxes to make up for your slack.

Were I a judge and you showed-up to court on an expired registration cite with medical proof of your condition I would cut you a break. If I pulled you over and you happened to have that medical proof with you, I'd probably cut you a break (most likely give you a few days before an arranged visit to make sure you fixed it).

If you threw
It is our right as American citizens to attempt to get away with the little things at me, you'd be getting every cite you deserve. That's just ignorant.

-V

EDIT: And, people like you really **** me off. You live in the FREEIST Country in the World and you insult those who protect it. Please move to Russia and see how much you enjoy it. oh, and get bent...

Iowa #1603
04-16-2011, 08:09 AM
Wow, this is the day of the crazies. .

aint it the truth.........................


I think we are getting spammed.

Zeitgeist
04-16-2011, 08:12 PM
Speaking of criminals (you mentioned them), wasn't Timothy McVeigh stopped over just such a registration violation? ;)

Ted Bundy was arrested on a traffic stop, also Wayne Williams (Atlanta child murderer)......

What's with all the hostility lately? What kind of sad soul actively seeks out a forum made up of
a population that they have so much anger towards? :rolleyes:
pitiful.

RoadKingTrooper
04-16-2011, 08:40 PM
I did not see the date. So sue me. And who cares anyway? My input was valid and relevant. But you completely missed the point. Also, here in arizona, you cant pull someone over for registration alone. Its a secondary enforcement law. :P

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SRT936
04-17-2011, 04:22 PM
aint it the truth.........................


I think we are getting spammed.

Its starting to feel like a targeted attack, doesn't it?

Iowa #1603
04-17-2011, 04:26 PM
Its starting to feel like a targeted attack, doesn't it?

Last time they had an upgrade -------we had the same problem.....................some filter gets opened up and I don't think there is any type of holding back as far as adding new members.

I think if someone signs up----------they just automatically get added.......................I'll almost gurantee some of these idiots are banned before and snuck back in with the filter gone

Street_Cop50
04-17-2011, 06:35 PM
Pulling someone over for something as harmless as an expired registration is rather petty and just plain mean.

WAAAAHHHH.... cry me a river.

Driving is not a right, it's a privilege. If you forget or can't afford to pay all costs, fees, etc. related to owning and operating a motor vehicle, then you lose that privilege, and you shouldn't be driving.

mp1161
04-17-2011, 06:50 PM
There is a lot of ignorance and misunderstanding in this thread on both sides of this argument. I actually registered just to say the following:
The person who was banned/comment deleted was wrong to word their view as they did, however, the content of their message is undeniable. Officers of the law exist to protect and serve. It is literally their mantra. Not to harass and terrorize. Pulling someone over for something as harmless as an expired registration is rather petty and just plain mean. It is our right as American citizens to attempt to get away with the little things such as this. It is not hurting anyone in any way whatsoever. And you dont know everyones stories. People get sick unexpectedly and cant afford to pay their annual registration. Some forget. We do not always get reminders. And if we do, maybe illness will make us forget. In Arizona, we do not get reminders, and there is no rhyme or reason to our renewal dates. It is simply one year from our original registration. And as a once a year bill, I for one cannot remember it. I have organic brain disease which means that not only do i forget things, but i also cannot afford some things. Does that make me a bad person? No. But you all have tried your hardest to make me feel like one. You should be ashamed. It also does not mean i should not be permitted to drive. They say its a priviledge, right? Well ive earned it and i wont let go of it just because i cant afford to pay some yearly fine that i did not volunteer for. I did not choose this. Dont get me wrong. I pay when i can, but its usually not immediately. Because of my bad memory, im unable to prepare for it in advance.

Also, who care what we do on our free time? If we want to drink, play video games, watch tv, whatever, so what? Its our free time. This is America. Dont forget. Those things have no impact on wether we can pay for registration renewal or not. Why even bring it up? You can live your boring life staring at your registration. That is not what i choose to do and it is my choice to make and that does not make me a bad person. If i forget, i forget regardless of what im doing.

And that particular officer that the young man targeted, well he just seems like an all around dick. With his words, his attitude, everything. Now im not a kid. Im a mature adult. But i do see where he came from. You would too if youd get over yourselves and look past his words and just see what he was saying.

Im done here. Please, everyone, grow up and unite under god instead of tear each other down over social/economic class. God bless.

LOL is this a serious post? Well you are right about one thing... there is PLENTY of ignorance and misunderstanding going on.

It's your right to attempt to get away with the little things? Mind pointing that one out to me in the law book?? Ok, so what if we don't enforce the little things? Then people will try to get away with the big things. An expired registration is a traffic offense, it is not "being mean". When you knowingly drive on expired tags in an attempt to "get away with the little things", it is an insult to everyone else on the roadway that actually takes care of their bills in a timely fashion. People that do forget and have some sort of excuse that I might buy, I will hear them out and give them a break if I feel it is warranted, but I find out you are "attempting to get away with the little things" then those driving privelegdes you were referring to won't be applicable to that vehicle once I have it towed. Our job is "attempting to catch the people who get away with the little things" so maybe you should consider changing your ideas about your rights as an american citizen :rolleyes:




Wow! Digging up a five year old thread just for that?

Well he meant to reply to this thread the day it was posted but he forgot, kind of like he does with his registration :D



The person i "insulted" was acting like a dick and wasting time with registration tickets when they could ACTUALLY be protecting by catching drunks, druggies, violent offenders, etc. THOSE are the things i have respect for.


Did you think... maybe by chance, that you can still catch drunks, druggies and violent offenders by stopping them for a registration violation? Someone on here already mentioned Timothy McVeigh. I couldn't begin to tell you how many people I have arrested for something or other and the whole basis of the traffic stop was for an expired registration.

Street_Cop50
04-17-2011, 07:45 PM
Did you think... maybe by chance, that you can still catch drunks, druggies and violent offenders by stopping them for a registration violation? Someone on here already mentioned Timothy McVeigh. I couldn't begin to tell you how many people I have arrested for something or other and the whole basis of the traffic stop was for an expired registration.
+1

As it's been mentioned already, stopping someone for a "petty" offense can often lead to catching a violent offender.

Just last night, another Officer in my squad stopped someone for jaywalking (no joke). Turned out he had a robbery warrant out of the jurisdiction just North of us.

Last month, I stopped a driver for a defective tail light. Turned out that he was in possession of a felony amount of marijuana and distribution baggies. Upon taking him to Booking, I found out he had an open warrant from ICE.

little stop = catching the big fish

jeffIL
04-17-2011, 08:47 PM
Now you're just backtracking.