CID applicants needed for National Guard & Army Reserve

[me_again]

If you are or were an MP and if you are interested in becoming a CID warrant officer in the National Guard or in the Army Reserve, then please click here (http://militarypoliceassn.net/coptalk2/index.php?topic=445.0) for more information.

Over 100 positions are available. :eek: :cool:

[orlandofed5-0]

When did the Nasty girl get authorized CID slots. Last I remember they were active/reserve folks. NG are generally not federalized so they wouldnt handle these types of investigations.

[me_again]

When did the Nasty girl get authorized CID slots. Last I remember they were active/reserve folks. NG are generally not federalized so they wouldnt handle these types of investigations.What exactly is your question?

[Bigd1970]

Don't do it. CID is not what it used to be. RLO's (Real Live Officers) have ruined the organization. They have no clue what they are doing. They have no investigative experience at all, yet they run what used to be one of the premiere organizations in the Military.

My advice run as far away from this as possible. If any one has any questions and wants to know the truth, PM me. I promise to tell you what the recruiters will not.

Ultimately the decision is yours, I will just help you to make an informed decision based on real life experience not some recruiters lies.

[Bigugly]

Don't do it. CID is not what it used to be. RLO's (Real Live Officers) have ruined the organization. They have no clue what they are doing. They have no investigative experience at all, yet they run what used to be one of the premiere organizations in the Military.

My advice run as far away from this as possible. If any one has any questions and wants to know the truth, PM me. I promise to tell you what the recruiters will not.

Ultimately the decision is yours, I will just help you to make an informed decision based on real life experience not some recruiters lies.

That goes for military law enforcement in general. If you want good life experiences, then the military is a good option. As for any real and worthwhile law enforcement experience, it does not exist in the 21st Century Military. Military Police is hardly any different than Infantry anymore.

[me_again]

If you have civilian Law Enforcement experience you will be sorely disappointed with CID. If you are working on your Doctorate you will be more educated than 95 percent of those you will be working with.No, I'm not going to attempt to join Army CID, but when I saw that thread, it did cross my mind. ;) CID has taken a turn for the worst, I am leaving after 12 years in the military. Army prosecutors will not prosecute and when they do Commanders take action amounting to an Article 15. We are not talking about petty crimes here, we are talking about Multiple Drug Offenses, Rape, Indecent Acts, Child Abuse, they kick them out and make them some one elses problem.If that's your reason for getting out -- when you can walk away with a lifetime pension in only 8 more years -- then I strongly urge you to do eight more years in the Army and then start a 2nd career in civilian LE, if you still have the stomach for it. :eek:

Here in the civilian world, it is no different. Our guys are complaining all the time that the prosecutor drops good cases. As a juvenile detective, I've seen pedafiles walk, over and over again. Rapes... incest... a lot of it simply doesn't rise beyond a level of "reasonable doubt" from a prosecutor's perspective.

Go for the money and stay in for 8 more years!!! Trust me on that one!!!!

I can retire in 8.5 more years and then I'm going to do something different. :)

The Leadership in CID leaves a lot to be desired in that everyone is looking out for themselves and their next promotion. It is just not a good environment to be in.Man, do you work for my department???? :eek: It's the exact same out here -- seriously. I do not know what you have dealt with in Civilian Law Enforcement but you will find Leaders with one or two years investigative experience telling Agents with 10 to 15 years of experience that they do not know what they are doing.It's no different out here. We get the guys who decide to "career track" in the detective bureau, while others decide to go the "promotional route" after only 2 or 3 years of service -- and those new guys end up being the bosses of the old detectives.

It's very bad out here in the civilian world. Don't throw away a lifetime pension in hope of finding the perfect LE job out here in the civilian world.

You may think I'm cynical for saying this... but... in the end, we're all suching on the LE paycheck, whether it be military LE or civilian LE. In the "big picture," it's all the same.

If you had only served one or two Army tours, I would not tell you to stay in, but if you only have 8 more years to go, it would be downright foolish of you to throw away a lifetime pension so you can start all over again in the civilian world.

[Recruiting]

When did the Nasty girl get authorized CID slots. Last I remember they were active/reserve folks. NG are generally not federalized so they wouldnt handle these types of investigations.


The "National Garage" IS authorized CID slots. Where did you get the idea the Garage is not federalized? Title 10 AGR tour is federal and they come under the Regular Army. They can apply for and obtain a title 10 tour and do any job an Regular Army soldier can. They have been doing it for years. There are hundreds of Guardsman working title 10 at RA commands all over the world soldiering.

"Nasty Girl", thats a new one on me, personally I think the National Garage is ok. It's all the same Army to me anyway... ;)

[MPSoldier84]

I always heard "Nasty Guard". National Garage and Nasty Girl are both new to me.

Me Again has a point too. If you re-enlist at least once... you might as well stay in.

Also, MPI is just as bad too... If not worse.

Thats why if you want to be in LE in the MP Corps. Latch onto to Traffic Investigation, or K-9. The rest all lost their flavor.

[orlandofed5-0]

The "National Garage" IS authorized CID slots. Where did you get the idea the Garage is not federalized? Title 10 AGR tour is federal and they come under the Regular Army. They can apply for and obtain a title 10 tour and do any job an Regular Army soldier can. They have been doing it for years. There are hundreds of Guardsman working title 10 at RA commands all over the world soldiering.


When did the nasty girl get authorized the slots? AGR's are mainly unit administrators or recruiters. AGR's are generally only federalized for pay and benefits. I know that in the AF, AGR's from the Air guard are not authorized slots within OSI.

[Jack Price]

When did the nasty girl get authorized the slots? AGR's are mainly unit administrators or recruiters. AGR's are generally only federalized for pay and benefits. I know that in the AF, AGR's from the Air guard are not authorized slots within OSI.

You obviously don't know what you think you know, cause what you think you know is wrong! In other words, there are AFNG in Investigative slots, both as "traditional" guardsmen, and as AGR. Most common is IMRs.

[orlandofed5-0]

You obviously don't know what you think you know, cause what you think you know is wrong! In other words, there are AFNG in Investigative slots, both as "traditional" guardsmen, and as AGR. Most common is IMRs.

Yes but they are SP investigators not OSI investigators. OSI is not authorized guard slots and guard members selected for OSI duty would be required to move over to the reserves.

[PPDMO373]

Yes but they are SP investigators not OSI investigators. OSI is not authorized guard slots and guard members selected for OSI duty would be required to move over to the reserves.

You are correct....I just talked to a OSI Agent and told me the same thing....but you would be IMA....not reserve.....and you might work out of a local base on your weekends...but on your two week ATs, you might be working out of another base....

At least that was how it was explained to me...

[B-Guy]

So........um.........how does one become a CID agent??

Do they have to have been MPs?? Do they have to go to boot camp? Can they not be commissioned officers rather than warrant officers?? How does the guard and reserve need CID?

[MPSoldier84]

Gotta love the complexity of the Military Law Enforcement system and the entities that make up it's investigative unit. I think this thread just qualified for having the most acronyms.


Also, go to www.cid.army.mil, it tells you how you can become a CID Special Agent.

[mainedawg]

If you are going into the military today the CID is a good place to work. You could go just MP and get to a duty station and work the road and transfer to CID but,chances are you will be in the sand box.

60 hours and a degree will get you in. If you are going to stay in the Army then you will need combat duty for promotion. K9 will not get you to work white hat or LE duty. Sad day for the Military Police when the DOD and DOA have taken over thier jobs. Some are left,but few and far between.

Law Enforcement = CID today. :)

[Bigd1970]

I beg to differ with anyone who says CID is a good place to work, for a lot of reasons. Many of them have been addressed previously.

CID does not have Commissioned Officers as Special Agents (Thank Goodness), one reason is they could not investigate their way out of a paper bag with a map. The second being they are too busy trying to ruin what is left of CID.

In order to become a civilian CID Agent, you need to look into the Military Procurement Fraud Unit (MPFU). They have civilian Agents, but conduct mostly fraud investigations.

To be a Military CID Agent, yes, you have to have completed Basic Training and be in the Military. If you are going to stay in become a Warrant Officer. CID is in desperate need of Warrant Officers who will lead by example and are not afraid to tell RLOs (Real Life Officers) where they can stick it, when they step out of line. It is a shame there are not too many around though.

CID is the only Law Enforcement left in the Army Military Police Corp. Don't feel sorry for the MPs thoug they did it to themselves. They allowed their Garrison duties to be taken over by Civilian (DOD/DOA Police), and allowed their Combat Support Operations to be turned over to just about anyone who they could find, IE; Cooks and Artillery being put into MP slots to guard prisoners and perform other MP duties. Now, the MPs are looking for ways to save their own butts.

The question you should ask yourself is, If you are already in a Law Enforcement Position can CID help you the answer, most likely is No. If you want to get a federal position then go get one. You will be better off in the long run. Also, if you have Civilian Law Enforcement experience you will find CID to be very dissapointing. (Kind of like my spelling)

[mainedawg]

So,if you are an LEO and want to serve your country in some way,and the military is where you choose???????? What would you pick for your field of choice? If,as I said, you are in the military, Where else would you work? Just a thought as to a field. .......................... :D



Yup. thought so. see the first post on this thread and click , there you will find the information to both questions. :p

Humor please.Next. Yes, I spent a few days in the MP Corps

www.military.com

[Bigd1970]

Wtf??????????

[SR-25]

So to become a CID Agent you only need an AA degree?

[Shoot N Scoot]

You either need a AA Degree, 1 year as an MP or 2 years as a civilian LEO. The program is different than it was when I first hooked up and yes RLOs are messing it up. That said, most field offices I was assigned to did not have RLOs on board until the batallion level, and PSU did have a RLO commander and that they really screwed up causing it to soon be taken over by NCIS (draft paper was approved by SEFDEF).

On the NG comment, most CID SAs I knew from the NG carried TWO creds. One from the state and their federal ones issued by CID Command (my experience was with TXNG).

In the reserves (which I retired from) we routinely handeled RFAs from active units to cover in our area where no active base was close by. We also work numerious PSU missions during the year as well. During our two weeks, the office SAC typically gave us the choice of playing golf or getting serious (and in my case pulling two weeks of duty agent).

One of the benifits of being in a Reserve or NG unit was the serious networking. In my last unit we had folks from various agencies within the state, city and federal agencies as well as civilians with a wealth of experience (two CPAs). In the Reserve nation there are several deputy chiefs of major PDs, the owner of one of America's largest cigar companies, Dep Directors of Federal Agency, ect.

Hey most agencies give you between 14 and 30 days a year of PAID military leave. If your gonna be in the military, atleast know if you get called up you'll get treated like a grown up and left alone by other military folks. Yes the active side treats the Reserve/NG folks like ****, MOSTLY the RLOs (most I wouldnt **** on to put out a fire) but all in all it was the best job I held in the military.

One final note, the last RLO to hold CID Agent B&Cs (not Supervisor creds) was the former commanding general (damm he is missed). He was the last of a "test" group years ago and maintained his creds.

Have fun ya'al.

[Bully]

When did the nasty girl get authorized the slots? AGR's are mainly unit administrators or recruiters. AGR's are generally only federalized for pay and benefits. I know that in the AF, AGR's from the Air guard are not authorized slots within OSI.

I was a No Go until 5/96 with the 40th MP Co in Cali. We had CID in the 40th Inf Div. One of them is a good friend of mine. He got his slot in '94I'm not sure how many slots they had though.

[bdc6196]

Man, there are some CID haters on here. lol. Just kidding. I'm on my way out the door, considering CID and OSI Reserves at this point. CID just issued a memorandum for NG CID regarding use/storage of badge and credentials, they've been operating out of their scope, in one state anyway. Either way, if anyone joins, you WILL deploy bottom line. Might as well go OSI so you can get FLETC basically for free and deploy for six months rather than a year.

[H.R. Cufnstuf]

I've spoken with USA recruiters about Blue to Green for OCS via conditional release from USN (which i've seen done by someone else in my command). Is it possible to apply to CID as a member of another branch?

[me_again]

I've spoken with USA recruiters about Blue to Green for OCS via conditional release from USN (which i've seen done by someone else in my command). Is it possible to apply to CID as a member of another branch?I found a lot of interesting reading here (http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial_s&hl=en&q=Blue+to+Green+for+OCS&btnG=Google+Search). Just FYI.

[H.R. Cufnstuf]

I found a lot of interesting reading here (http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial_s&hl=en&q=Blue+to+Green+for+OCS&btnG=Google+Search). Just FYI.

My question was regarding Blue to Green for CID, not OCS. I've already done all of my homework on that.

[me_again]

My question was regarding Blue to Green for CID, not OCS. I've already done all of my homework on that.Oh ok... I don't know anything about that particular program. In fact, I've never even heard of it and didn't know that it existed! :eek:

[PPDMO373]

Is it possible to apply to CID as a member of another branch?

I don't think so....but I am not sure. I know the requirements for CID have you needing to have the MP Occupation Skill (31B) or do a "Internship" with the local office if you are not in the MP Field. Not sure how you can do that if you are in another service. When I was in, we had a few folks that did the internship thing.....as the local CID unit stuck them with the Road MPs for a while to see what we did....since most had no clue what we did.

Also, you can not enlist to become CID......you must meet time in service requirements plus the background issues (of being a MP or doing the internship) before they will take you.

Not sure what to tell you Jeff......

Good luck...

[bdc6196]

If you were or are a USN MAA, you won't need to do an internship, although you may want to just for the experience. Go to www.cid.army.mil for the qualifications. You'll need a GT of 110 or above, be able to get a TS clearance, clean mil record, etc. I would NOT join the Army unless you know you will be good to go as far as your background. It might be beneficial to contact a local CID office and start your CID packet before joining if you're really serious about it. But you will definitely be doing the line unit thing until you're accepted into CID so be prepared. You might want to go MP or Military Intelligence if possible. Any questions PM me.

[PPDMO373]

You might want to go MP or Military Intelligence if possible. Any questions PM me.

You go Army MP you will be doing convoys and patrols in the sand as soon as you get out of training......

Same with CID....but you will be doing a lot of PSD missions....in the sand or in Bosina......

[bdc6196]

PPDMO373, have you ever been active duty CID or Reserve CID? Regardless of MOS, you're going to deploy. I would not recommend anyone to join if they were not prepared to deploy. I was never an MP (former 11B), but I've seen more than one MP get accepted quicker than other applicants. As far as PSD missions, none of mine have ever been in the desert or Bosnia, but I was never assigned to PSU (or PSB) and thankfully so.

[PPDMO373]

PPDMO373, have you ever been active duty CID or Reserve CID? Regardless of MOS, you're going to deploy. I would not recommend anyone to join if they were not prepared to deploy. I was never an MP (former 11B), but I've seen more than one MP get accepted quicker than other applicants. As far as PSD missions, none of mine have ever been in the desert or Bosnia, but I was never assigned to PSU (or PSB) and thankfully so.


I am in the process of joining a CID Unit now that is Reserve/NG so I going on what the OPS SGT and the folks in the unit are telling me.

I was told that every unit is different when it comes to some of the missions.....but all deploy (which is no biggie as I have been there/done that in the past).

A lot of the folks in this unit tend to be doing PSD missions overseas....but as we all know that could change with the drop of a hat and at the needs of the Army.

[bdc6196]

I wish you the best of luck.

[H.R. Cufnstuf]

If you were or are a USN MAA, you won't need to do an internship, although you may want to just for the experience. Go to www.cid.army.mil for the qualifications. You'll need a GT of 110 or above, be able to get a TS clearance, clean mil record, etc. I would NOT join the Army unless you know you will be good to go as far as your background. It might be beneficial to contact a local CID office and start your CID packet before joining if you're really serious about it. But you will definitely be doing the line unit thing until you're accepted into CID so be prepared. You might want to go MP or Military Intelligence if possible. Any questions PM me.

Wouldn't I put in the CID packet, find out if i'm accepted, and then get a conditional release from the Navy? That's how they've been doing us for Army OCS.

[bdc6196]

No, you will not be able to do that. You can do that if you want to become a pilot as a warrant officer. Have you ever thought about contacting CID command directly? The one thing about the military, there is always an exception some way or another. I wouldn't jump ship just yet, no pun intended. However, I was prior Navy too, then Infantryman, then CID. I DO NOT regret joining the Army. Just be ready for anything if you enlist in the Army. You should get accepted quickly with your experience, but I would definitely get a head start on the packet.