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FutureLE
12-22-2005, 09:02 PM
For someone that works for a local Police Dept. in Georgia(wherever really).

Where can you NOT carry your firearm when your off-duty?
Federal buildings?
Professional sports events?
Clubs/Bars?
Or what?

Just curious as my 2 of my LE friends say different things.

nasa808
12-22-2005, 09:26 PM
casino's...

FutureLE
12-22-2005, 09:28 PM
casino's...


I worded it wrong, I should have said "Where can you NOT carry?"

Thanks

CarCop
12-22-2005, 10:47 PM
As far as where can you NOT carry. You can not carry in jails or some courtrooms. Most courts allow offciers to carry but sometimes it is restricted. Airplanes (unless authorized by letter) That's pretty much it for NOT ALLOWED to carry in.

NOW if your talking where you can't carry .......... mostly private property stuff. Bars, casinos, theme parks, clubs, etc.... They can't tell you not to carry but they don't have to let you in either. Your allowed to carry but just can't come in :D (off duty that is)

Centurion44
12-22-2005, 11:39 PM
Where can you NOT carry your firearm when your off-duty?

As a police officer, anywhere I can not carry while I'm on duty. Which is any place that didn't request your presence and asks you to leave you firearm behind. Court rooms where a judge is presiding, and any place designated by the State or Sheriff as a "Guard line" (which is basically jails and prisons)


Federal buildings?

Technically, that's a federal statute. My rule has always been "carry it unless someone asks you not to, and then turn around a leave".


Professional sports events?
Clubs/Bars?
Or what?

Why not?

However if I plan on drinking more than two beverages, I leave the weapon in my car or at home. Bad idea to be armed and booze it up.


Just curious as my 2 of my LE friends say different things.

Well they need to know the law if they are going to be LE.

FutureLE
12-23-2005, 12:24 AM
As a police officer, anywhere I can not carry while I'm on duty. Which is any place that didn't request your presence and asks you to leave you firearm behind. Court rooms where a judge is presiding, and any place designated by the State or Sheriff as a "Guard line" (which is basically jails and prisons)



Technically, that's a federal statute. My rule has always been "carry it unless someone asks you not to, and then turn around a leave".



Why not?

However if I plan on drinking more than two beverages, I leave the weapon in my car or at home. Bad idea to be armed and booze it up.



Well they need to know the law if they are going to be LE.


Thanks, I just got to thinking the other night when I went to the Falcons game and they did a "pat-down" when you enter the Dome.

My friend only disagreed on the Federal building thing.. but your right they should both know the facts.

How do you carry your weapon? Concealed on waist, leg or what? Just curious again

irishlad2nv
12-23-2005, 01:34 AM
Thanks, I just got to thinking the other night when I went to the Falcons game and they did a "pat-down" when you enter the Dome.

My friend only disagreed on the Federal building thing.. but your right they should both know the facts.

How do you carry your weapon? Concealed on waist, leg or what? Just curious again
Who was doing the pat-downs? If it was the local PD or even a Security guard, you need to advise them that you are off-duty and that you have your weapon on you, so that you don't get your a@@ jumped.

FutureLE
12-23-2005, 01:36 AM
Who was doing the pat-downs? If it was the local PD or even a Security guard, you need to advise them that you are off-duty and that you have your weapon on you, so that you don't get your a@@ jumped.


It was Georgia Dome security.

BTW--Im not LE, but I will be after I start/finish the academy. While they were doing the patdowns, I was curious if it was legal for LE to carry in the Dome or other social events.

irishlad2nv
12-23-2005, 01:45 AM
Well that will depend on your departments policy. However, if you are going to a social event: i.e. a bar, club or anyplace where you will be consuming alcohol, I would not carry. However, sporting events, etc, I always carry.

Centurion44
12-23-2005, 03:10 AM
a) Except as provided in Code Section 16-11-127.1, a person is guilty of a misdemeanor when he or she carries to or while at a public gathering any explosive compound, firearm, or knife designed for the purpose of offense and defense.
(b) For the purpose of this Code section, 'public gathering' shall include, but shall not be limited to, athletic or sporting events, churches or church functions, political rallies or functions, publicly owned or operated buildings, or establishments at which alcoholic beverages are sold for consumption on the premises. Nothing in this Code section shall otherwise prohibit the carrying of a firearm in any other public place by a person licensed or permitted to carry such firearm by this part.
(c) This Code section shall not apply to competitors participating in organized sport shooting events. Law enforcement officers, peace officers retired from state or federal law enforcement agencies, judges, magistrates, solicitors-general, and district attorneys may carry pistols in publicly owned or operated buildings.
(d) It is an affirmative defense to a violation of this Code section if a person notifies a law enforcement officer or other person employed to provide security for a public gathering of the presence of such item as soon as possible after learning of its presence and surrenders or secures such item as directed by the law enforcement officer or other person employed to provide security for a public gathering.

Hey, look, it's Georgia code!

hmm
12-23-2005, 08:53 AM
It depends on your agency or department.

Ours will fire anyone carrying in a bar. Unless on duty. And no drinking when you carry. :eek:

You should familiarize yourself with your rules. This way you know where your agency or department will and will not back you up.

Also, Disney Land and I suspect Disney World do not allow officers in with weapons. :p

MountainCop
12-23-2005, 09:04 AM
FYI, there is a distinction between Federal buildings and Federal courthouses.

In Denver:

Federal Buildings - OK if on duty or for official business.

Federal Courthouses - NO. Only FPS and US Marshals may be armed. All other LEOs (including all other Fed LEOs) must lock up at the entrance.

This may vary nationwide, as it's up to the chief judge of the complex. A few months ago, the local PDs repsonded to an EMS call in one of the courthouses. They were required to disarm prior to entry. Unfortunately, the lady died of a heart attack.

WC145
12-23-2005, 10:10 AM
I carry everywhere off duty and it is expected of us - with star and ID. I make sure everything stays concealed and I haven't had any problems yet. Any time there has been a possibility of a pat down or other security check I have ID'd myself and that was all it took. For instance, I had to go to the federal building in Bangor the other day and they had the metal detector operating so I advised security that I was off duty and armed and all they did was ask to see my department ID and then they let me through.

The only time I have gone unarmed in years was 3 weeks ago when I went to Jamaica. I locked my gun in the glove box when I got to the airport and spent 8 days at a resort without a care in the world. When we got home I went straight out to the car, got my gun and went back into the airport to get our luggage.

Also, as a general rule I don't drink when I am carrying although, like Centurian44, there have been times when I have and when I do I also impose a 2 drink limit on myself.

Tim Dees
12-23-2005, 10:44 AM
This is kind of a statement and kind of a question: in some locales, a property owner (e.g. private business) can refuse entry to anyone that they choose, as long as they aren't violating civil rights laws. That means that they can refuse to admit an off duty officer carrying a firearm, if they choose (I'm not referring to on-duty issues - obviously, you go where you need to go, and if someone doesn't like the gun, that's their problem). For instance, Disney properties will not knowingly admit anyone except an on-duty LE officer who is carrying a firearm. If they discover that you're carrying, your options are to secure it with the security department, or leave. Does anyone have similar policies/problems like this where they work?

Hutch
12-23-2005, 10:52 AM
I will usually not say anything unless I am going into a place where they check.

The empire state building is one.... We walked in armed, found the first Officer we could find and stated the 4 of us where armed we just wanted to take a picture in the lobby since we knew we couldn't go to the top... The Officer took us in a back way and brought us to the top, No charge, No Line, No Hassle. Now I have heard others say, they weren't even let into the building... So it is kind of a hit a miss sometimes... But it is better for the On Duty Officers to know your LE and Armed then for them to find out on there own... I know I wouldn't like that!!

MountainCop
12-23-2005, 12:27 PM
This is kind of a statement and kind of a question: in some locales, a property owner (e.g. private business) can refuse entry to anyone that they choose, as long as they aren't violating civil rights laws. That means that they can refuse to admit an off duty officer carrying a firearm, if they choose (I'm not referring to on-duty issues - obviously, you go where you need to go, and if someone doesn't like the gun, that's their problem). For instance, Disney properties will not knowingly admit anyone except an on-duty LE officer who is carrying a firearm. If they discover that you're carrying, your options are to secure it with the security department, or leave. Does anyone have similar policies/problems like this where they work?

In Colorado, (see below), peace officers can carry just about anywhere dependent upon their agencies policies - and the statutes can be construed to prohibit private property owners from disarming a peace officer after the officer has identified him/her self.

The ONLY exception I am aware of (and this may end up in the courts) is that the city of Denver has prohibited any peace officer except Colorado State Patrol and on-duty Denver PD officers from entering Invesco Field (home of the Broncos) from entering with a firearm. Denver is a home-rule city, and right now there is a court case going to the State Supreme Court concerning the validity of Denver's 'pre-emption' of state law concerning firearms.

Also, the laws can be construed to prohibit anyone (including a peace officer) from carrying a firearm with ANY amount of alcohol in their system - 0.01 or above.

18-8-116. Disarming a peace officer.
(1) A person commits disarming a peace officer if he knowingly, without justification and without consent, removes the firearm of a peace officer who is acting under color of his official authority.
(2) Disarming a peace officer is a class 5 felony.
(3) The term "peace officer" as used in this section means a peace officer in uniform or, if out of uniform, one who has identified himself by exhibiting his credentials as such peace officer to the person.
16-2.5-101. Peace officer - description - general authority.
(1) A person who is included within the provisions of this article and who meets all standards imposed by law on a peace officer is a peace officer, and, notwithstanding any other provision of law, no person other than a person designated in this article is a peace officer. A peace officer may be certified by the peace officers standards and training board pursuant to part 3 of article 31 of title 24, C.R.S., and, at a minimum, has the authority to enforce all laws of the state of Colorado while acting within the scope of his or her authority and in the performance of his or her duties.
(2) A peace officer certified by the peace officer standards and training board shall have the authority to carry firearms at all times, concealed or otherwise, subject to the written firearms policy created by the agency employing the peace officer. All other peace officers shall have the authority to carry firearms, concealed or otherwise, while engaged in the performance of their duties or as otherwise authorized by the written policy of the agency employing the officer.
(3) As used in every statute, unless the context otherwise requires, "law enforcement officer" means a peace officer.

horne80
12-23-2005, 12:46 PM
Against our SOP to carry in bars. Like, if you go to a football/baseball game down in Atlanta, and you want to carry concealed I believe there is a "check-in" list or something to the effect. You basically have to sign in that you have a weapon on you AND be in law enforcement.

hmm
12-23-2005, 01:30 PM
If we go to a game and they have alcohol we are ok, as long as we do not partake.

WC145
12-23-2005, 01:47 PM
We went to a red sox game in July and I called ahead to Boston PD to ask about carrying at Fenway (and in Mass. under HR218 since I'm from Maine). I got a lot of run around and nobody could give me a straight answer (on either question). One Sgt. I spoke to actually asked me why I felt like I needed to carry a gun to a ball game and said I should leave it home and just enjoy myself! So I went armed as usual and figured that I'd handle any questions/concerns when the time came. There was a huge crowd outside the park and security was doing superficial pat downs on almost everybody but for some reason when my wife and I got to the front of the group they waved us both through without a second look. I don't know why but it saved me from identifying myself and explaining the two guns I was carrying at the time. We ended up seeing a great game and I felt much more comfortable walking umpteen blocks back to the car at 2300 than I would have unarmed!

MountainCop
12-23-2005, 02:40 PM
Against our SOP to carry in bars. Like, if you go to a football/baseball game down in Atlanta, and you want to carry concealed I believe there is a "check-in" list or something to the effect. You basically have to sign in that you have a weapon on you AND be in law enforcement.

Our SOP is carry wherever/whenever you want within the law (i.e., no Fed bldgs, etc.), but if you drink, you had best not be carrying. Of course, that may change if someone screws up! :(

Everyone - have a great holiday! And I sure hope Santa brings me that list of bad girls I asked for... :D

SgtScott31
12-23-2005, 03:56 PM
State law in TN, officers cannot carry where alcohol is SERVED unless they are on official business. We are trying to get that changed for the fact that (technically) we can't go in restaurants (armed) where they serve alcohol.

Don't get me wrong, most officers could carry off-duty in a restaurant and I don't think they would have a problem with it, but according to the statute, you are in violation.

It also states that you can't carry anywhere where it is posted (like my airport ;) )

Off-duty officers in the airport (not flying), I probably won't have an issue with them when I confirm they're an LEO. CCW holders, you're leaving the terminal building or getting arrested.

PhilipCal
12-25-2005, 10:45 AM
Three things should guide you in this regard. State law, department policy, and common sense. Basically, if you testify in Federal, and some state courts, you may have to check your weapon with the Marshal or Bailiff. Obviously, you don't carry in a jail, or confinement facility. Private property, off duty, is going to depend on the venue and it's policy. You don't want to carry if you're in a bar, or you're drinking. Alcohol and firearms are a bad combination, and the potential for serious problems are endless. When you're first sworn in and you qualify, the fact that you're authorized to carry off -duty can really seem cool. It gets old fast. Depending on where you police, or where you travel, off-duty carry may be a wise decision, but it's not something you're going to get a major charge out of year after year.

slopegrrrl
12-25-2005, 07:57 PM
Took my sister to DC for her birthday to the Holocaust museum...had to inform security I was le and carrying, they took me to the office and had me sign in. They gave me an 'LEO' badge to wear around my neck and told me that if anything happens-they'd appreciate a helping hand.

Never had any problems anywhere else

airbrne74
12-26-2005, 10:49 AM
I carry all the time even when I'm going to the store to pick up milk and eggs. I always carry concealed, so even if an establishment does not approve of my carrying, then they would have to search me in order to find out.

On military posts I usually lock my weapon up in the trunk or glove compartment unless I am in uniform. At the Paramounts Kings Dominion amusement park I show my badge and ID and they have always allowed me to lock my weapon up in their safe. If I go to a restaurant I carry my weapon unless I plan on drinking.

I don't try to be a cop 24/7 but I have the authority to carry my weapon 24/7 and I take advantage when I can. :D

BikeCop501
12-26-2005, 05:02 PM
Here in texas, if you are CHL you can not carry with in i thinks it like 500 or so yards of a school (HS, Middle, College, etc.) I know at one of the local malls that they have signs at all teh enterences that dont allow CHL's inside. But as a LEO, i have never had any problems, I carry unless i drink, then it stays in my truck. And I dont travel very much so, no problem there.... just my 2 cents. Check out the numerous conceal and carry site out there, they will help for non LEO's

slopegrrrl
12-26-2005, 05:07 PM
wow....i'm amazed at the number of responses on this thread that mention "securing" their weapon in the car. Doesn't anybody live/work/play in an area where there are car break-ins or auto thefts? Yikes!

SgtScott31
12-27-2005, 01:23 AM
wow....i'm amazed at the number of responses on this thread that mention "securing" their weapon in the car. Doesn't anybody live/work/play in an area where there are car break-ins or auto thefts? Yikes!

Not like Baltimore :D

Huey County
12-27-2005, 01:57 AM
My neighbors don't lock their doors, cars, sheds, or whatever.

London Cop
12-27-2005, 10:57 AM
When we arrive at work, we book our Glocks out of an armoury. When we finish, we book it back in before we go home.

Nobody is allowed to carry any sort of firearm anywhere in public (exceptions apply), including the police when off duty - even the few of us that are armed while on duty.

Basically, if someone's carrying a gun and he's not in uniform (or UC), he's probably breaking the law.

FutureLE
12-27-2005, 03:45 PM
When we arrive at work, we book our Glocks out of an armoury. When we finish, we book it back in before we go home.

Nobody is allowed to carry any sort of firearm anywhere in public (exceptions apply), including the police when off duty - even the few of us that are armed while on duty.

Basically, if someone's carrying a gun and he's not in uniform (or UC), he's probably breaking the law.


I know that is how it is there, but it hard to imagine unarmed police officers. In America that would be like fighting a lion with a sling-shot

firedog974
12-30-2005, 12:04 PM
This is what the rule is for FL:
Title XLVI
CRIMES Chapter 790
WEAPONS AND FIREARMS

790.052 Carrying concealed firearms; off-duty law enforcement officers.--

(1) All persons holding active certifications from the Criminal Justice Standards and Training Commission as law enforcement officers or correctional officers as defined in s. 943.10(1), (2), (6), (7), (8), or (9) shall have the right to carry, on or about their persons, concealed firearms, during off-duty hours, at the discretion of their superior officers, and may perform those law enforcement functions that they normally perform during duty hours, utilizing their weapons in a manner which is reasonably expected of on-duty officers in similar situations. However, nothing in this subsection shall be construed to limit the right of a law enforcement officer, correctional officer, or correctional probation officer to carry a concealed firearm off duty as a private citizen under the exemption provided in s. 790.06 that allows a law enforcement officer, correctional officer, or correctional probation officer as defined in s. 943.10(1), (2), (3), (6), (7), (8), or (9) to carry a concealed firearm without a concealed weapon or firearm license. The appointing or employing agency or department of an officer carrying a concealed firearm as a private citizen under s. 790.06 shall not be liable for the use of the firearm in such capacity. Nothing herein limits the authority of the appointing or employing agency or department from establishing policies limiting law enforcement officers or correctional officers from carrying concealed firearms during off-duty hours in their capacity as appointees or employees of the agency or department.

(2) The superior officer of any police department or sheriff's office or the Florida Highway Patrol, if he or she elects to direct the officers under his or her supervision to carry concealed firearms while off duty, shall file a statement with the governing body of such department of his or her instructions and requirements relating to the carrying of said firearms

So basically you can carry when and where you want as long as it does not violate agency policy or FL statute

MountainCop
12-30-2005, 12:16 PM
16-2.5-101. Peace officer - description - general authority.

(1) A person who is included within the provisions of this article and who meets all standards imposed by law on a peace officer is a peace officer, and, notwithstanding any other provision of law, no person other than a person designated in this article is a peace officer. A peace officer may be certified by the peace officers standards and training board pursuant to part 3 of article 31 of title 24, C.R.S., and, at a minimum, has the authority to enforce all laws of the state of Colorado while acting within the scope of his or her authority and in the performance of his or her duties.

(2) A peace officer certified by the peace officer standards and training board shall have the authority to carry firearms at all times, concealed or otherwise, subject to the written firearms policy created by the agency employing the peace officer. All other peace officers shall have the authority to carry firearms, concealed or otherwise, while engaged in the performance of their duties or as otherwise authorized by the written policy of the agency employing the officer.

(3) As used in every statute, unless the context otherwise requires, "law enforcement officer" means a peace officer.

18-8-116. Disarming a peace officer.

(1) A person commits disarming a peace officer if he knowingly, without justification and without consent, removes the firearm of a peace officer who is acting under color of his official authority.

(2) Disarming a peace officer is a class 5 felony.

(3) The term "peace officer" as used in this section means a peace officer in uniform or, if out of uniform, one who has identified himself by exhibiting his credentials as such peace officer to the person.

AtlCop
01-01-2006, 11:11 PM
This only applies to Georgia. This is what Georgia Law says about it:


In addition, any such sheriff, retired sheriff, deputy sheriff, retired deputy sheriff, active or retired law enforcement chief executive, or other law enforcement officer referred to in this subsection shall be authorized to carry a pistol or revolver on or off duty anywhere within the state and the provisions of Code Sections 16-11-126 through 16-11-128 shall not apply to the carrying of such firearms.

16-11-126 is "Carrying Concealed Weapon"
16-11-127 is "Carrying Weapon to Public Gathering"
16-11-127.1 is "Carrying Weapon within school or school safety zone"
16-11-128 is "Carrying a Pistol without a License"

I think the statement in bold pretty much sums it up. Police officers in Georgia are authorized to carry anywhere within the state of Georgia on or off duty.

Of course, as already pointed out, private property owners in Georgia may refuse service to anyone so long as it is not based on race, sex, religion etc. Therefore, they can ask you to leave and you are required by law. However, the act of carrying the firearm itself is not illegal.

FutureLE
01-01-2006, 11:56 PM
ATLCOP -- I sent you a personal message

CrymsinSky
01-02-2006, 08:49 AM
Another Texas officer here...pretty much anywhere we want to carry off-duty we can, with the exception of a correctional facility (i.e jail) according to state law. I carry occasionally off duty and is not required by my department. If we do carry off duty, we're required by SOP to have it concealed, which I prefer anyway. Next to my gun I wear my badge on my belt and always have my credentials with me as well. I also never carry off duty if I even have a drop of alcohol, just a personal rule but nothing in state law prohibits it. Against SOP to carry intoxicated, which I think any officer would be stupid to do so anyway.