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BGarner
11-28-2005, 08:48 PM
Hello. I am 19 years old and live in Cheshire, MA. My father is the chief of police in Cheshire. I will be going through the reserve/intermittent academy in January. I have been told by other officers that a law just passed in MA that you have to be 21 to be a LEO. I have searched around in the MA general laws about this and only came up with a law that recently passed in March of 2005 stating that you have to be 21 to take the Civil Service Exam. This is from the MA general laws website:

"Notwithstanding section 58 of chapter 31 of the General Laws or any other general or special law to the contrary, any otherwise eligible person shall be eligible to take the April 2005 examination for original appointment to the position of police officer in any city or town if he will not have reached his twenty-first birthday on or before the final date for the filing of applications for such examination but shall have reached his twenty-first birthday on or before the date of the examination."
Approved March 24, 2005.

Cheshire, MA Police department is a non- civil service agency, therefore I would not have to take the Civil Service Exam. I have also read somwhere else on this forum that non civil service agencies can have their own hiring practices. I did some more searching on the MA general laws site and came up with this as well:

"No person shall be eligible to have his name certified for original appointment to the position of firefighter or police officer in a city or town which has not accepted the provisions of sections sixty-one A and sixty-one B if such person has reached his thirty-second birthday on or before the final date for the filing of applications, as stated in the examination notice, for the examination used to establish the eligible list from which such certification is to be made. No person shall be eligible to take an examination for original appointment to the position of firefighter or police officer in any city or town if he will not have reached his nineteenth birthday on or before the final date for the filing of applications for such examination, as so stated."
[ Second paragraph as amended by 2004, 467, Secs. 2 and 3 effective January 5, 2005. For text effective until January 5, 2005, see above.]

According to this I should be able to be appointed to Cheshire P.D. on the basis of that I am 19 and don't need to take the Civil Service Exam for Cheshire P.D. That is what I am gathering from this anyway. I have showed other Cheshire officers these laws as well, and they seem to think the same thing unless I am missing something. Anybody else know anything about this matter? My dad is checking up on it, I figured I'd ask around on here in the meantime. Sorry about such a long post. Thanks in advance for any input.

SinePari
11-29-2005, 05:01 AM
You must be 21 to possess a License To Carry a Firearm...do the math.

BGarner
11-29-2005, 06:45 AM
Yes, but I have heard of people carrying under the badge. Before this law 'supposedly' passed I have heard of 20 year olds on other departments that sign a weapon in and out for each shift and leave it at the station.

irishlad2nv
11-29-2005, 08:28 AM
If your dad is a Chief, he should be aware of the laws, etc. From what I have read and know, it is 21.

Deuce
11-29-2005, 10:23 AM
If your dad is a Chief, he should be aware of the laws, etc. From what I have read and know, it is 21.

My thoughts exactly. Dude, your old man is the chief for the town you want to work for? Ummm, nepotism ring a bell?? I don't know how many guys Cheshire PD has but I can guarantee you all of them will hate you if you get on. I know it's a bitch getting on the job in MA but look elsewhere...

sjr87
11-29-2005, 01:39 PM
You must be 21 years old to be a sworn LEO in the state of MA. now. I had the law read to me from a Sgt. of the town I interviewed for. He basicly said if it was not for that law they would have hired me. Alot of towns are not awear of this yet as they were not.

BGarner
11-29-2005, 09:04 PM
They will not all hate me, its a small dept (about 12 officers) and I know every one of them personally. Some I have known all my life (small town).

Sjr87, what is the chapter and whatnot on that law? I did hours of searching and the 19 unless civil service law is all I came up with. And what town were you applying for, out of curiosity?

sjr87
11-29-2005, 09:42 PM
They will not all hate me, its a small dept (about 12 officers) and I know every one of them personally. Some I have known all my life (small town).

Sjr87, what is the chapter and whatnot on that law? I did hours of searching and the 19 unless civil service law is all I came up with. And what town were you applying for, out of curiosity?
I did not get the chapter and section from him, he just read what it said. Hopefully you can find a way to make it work for you but as far as I know your stuck till your 21.

BGarner
11-29-2005, 10:04 PM
Was the dept. a civil service agency by any chance?

sjr87
11-29-2005, 10:07 PM
Was the dept. a civil service agency by any chance?
nope, non-civil service town. I would have never applied but I was told that the law was just civil service positions, so I went ahead and did and thats what I was told. Have your father contact the attorny general. I believe that is who informed the chief in the town where I was appling that it couldnt happen.

BGarner
11-29-2005, 10:11 PM
I'll have him check, in the meantime I'm gonna do some more searchin on the MA general laws website :confused:

Wisconsin Migra
11-29-2005, 10:12 PM
I was 20 when I got on the job in MA, and the age for a LTC was 18; 21 to purchase ammo. I guess the law/rules have changed but I am interested in seeing the statute for this. If so, take these two years and go to school, or the military, or get some other life experience. You will be 21 before you know it.

sjr87
11-29-2005, 10:17 PM
I was 20 when I got on the job in MA, and the age for a LTC was 18; 21 to purchase ammo. I guess the law/rules have changed but I am interested in seeing the statute for this. If so, take these two years and go to school, or the military, or get some other life experience. You will be 21 before you know it.
yes thats how it was, it has changed. My father got on before he was 21 and the guys at the gun shop would make fun of him becuase he could have a handgun and be a police officer, but his dad still had to buy his bullets :D

BGarner
11-29-2005, 10:23 PM
Here it is...Chapter 31 Section 58 of Mass General Law:

No person shall be eligible to have his name certified for original appointment to the position of firefighter or police officer in a city or town which has not accepted the provisions of sections sixty-one A and sixty-one B if such person has reached his thirty-second birthday on or before the final date for the filing of applications, as stated in the examination notice, for the examination used to establish the eligible list from which such certification is to be made. No person shall be eligible to take an examination for original appointment to the position of firefighter or police officer in any city or town if he will not have reached his nineteenth birthday on or before the final date for the filing of applications for such examination, as so stated.

[ Second paragraph as amended by 2004, 467, Secs. 2 and 3 effective January 5, 2005. For text effective until January 5, 2005, see above.]


That is taken straight from the website, heres the link too, its the second paragraph of this page

http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/31-58.htm

BGarner
11-29-2005, 10:31 PM
The only place on the MA general laws site where I found a police age being changed from 19 to 21 was in the State Police section.

"No person who has not reached his nineteenth birthday shall be enlisted for the first time as an officer of the state police."

In a footnote it says something to the effect of "strike out the word 'nineteenth' and insert 'twenty first'" but that is only in the state police section of the laws (Chapter 22c, Section 10) nothing in anything else.

BGarner
11-30-2005, 09:24 AM
Anybody else know anything, like specific laws? Nobody has gotten back to my dad yet so I'm still searching for now. It seems to me that its 21 to take civil service exam, 21 for State Police, and 19 for local police, provided you don't need to take the civil service exam.

SinePari
11-30-2005, 04:01 PM
but his dad still had to buy his bullets :D

And his beer ;)

AtlCop
11-30-2005, 04:10 PM
You must be 21 to possess a License To Carry a Firearm...do the math.

You have to be 21 in Georgia to get a concealed carry license. However, you can be a police officer at 18 and police are exempt from all laws related to concealed carry. Therefore, they don't need a license. However, they do need someone to buy a gun and bullets for them which I find humorous.

Perhaps MA has similar requirements.

BufordTJustice
12-01-2005, 11:38 AM
Was the dept. a civil service agency by any chance?

I know of several non-civil service agencies in MA. I.E. Topsfield, Rowley, Nahant and Hamilton and they all require their officers to be 21 at the time of appointment.

BGarner
12-04-2005, 11:29 AM
bump to top to see if anyone else has anything to say :)

sjr87
12-04-2005, 11:31 AM
bump to top to see if anyone else has anything to say :)
your father has still not being able to get the info on this?

BGarner
12-04-2005, 11:43 AM
Judging by what chapter 31 section 58 said I'm guessing I'll be all set. I beleive thats what he thinks also after reading that. I was just wondering If I missed anything. The only laws about age to be a LEO was the state police being changed from 19 to 21, and the age to take the civil service exam being 21 as well. Nothin about local police being changed to 21, that still says 19.

sjr87
12-04-2005, 05:36 PM
I dont know then, I guess the dept. i applied to lied to me then, or miss understood the law.