New York State Police

[NYSP61]

Congrats again to everyone that has received their calls and letters. Keep us updated when you are able.

Does anyone know how many individuals they processed through (from the '08 exam list) for this first class?

Thanks!

[NYSPSMDY]

This similar question has been asked a couple of times, but no one has answered it: If you have been disqualified, do they tell you, and how long after they DQ you? I am just curious as I went through this entire process, told everthing looks good. Even up until three days before final medical I was asked to fax VA records and college transcript to albany. My background packet was sent to Albany over two weeks before the final med. Just seems like my packet must have been gone over to realize they needed missing info days before the med. I was even told by more than one trooper at the medical that if you were there, background was good. My rank is in the 60's, so it's not that. Just kind of confused here. No invite to academy, and no DQ letter. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks And good luck to those who have been selected.

[FUCCO]

they might have more recruits than needed for the academy. u might be on a backfill list or a list for the next class

[NYSPSMDY]

they might have more recruits than needed for the academy. u might be on a backfill list or a list for the next class

That would be a lovely thought, but if they go by rank number, this is not possible.

[SlowDownThere]

A guy I went through the academy with bought a $4 suit from the salvation army and it lasted him just fine.



He's probably wearing it in the back room now, isn' the?

[SlowDownThere]

I just talked to a person who has spent a lot of time in Albany and he said he was hearing 75 for the longest time and now he is hearing 150 >;)


I'm hearing a smaller number, just like 4985.

[SlowDownThere]

So I just received a phone call asking if I planned on confirming attendance at orientation tomorrow?? This is the first communication I've received and I'm obviously confused.

Sometimes things get lost in the mail. Did you follow up on it?

What going on?

[SlowDownThere]

I miss my mommy already:o

On another note: my "GOLDEN TICKET" arrived today. I declined of course.... NOT!:D:D:D

Congratulation reils49. It's been a long road for you.

Congratulations to the others too. It's just that I have corresponded with reils, so I singled him out.

Good luck to all of you.

BTW, the reson for all these posts in a row, is that I'm watching "Tha Academy on AandE right now. It's realistic, not unlike out Academy. Must have made me nosalgic.:)

[bambri13]

The reason for Orientation is so you don't pull your hair out. There are reasons why things are vague and people don't tell you what to expect. WE ALL WENT INTO IT NOT KNOWING ANYTHING EITHER! The first thing you will learn at the Academy is you are not going to be spoon fed. You are only away for a week. Be prepared to shop when you come home for the weekend! Go to an orientation night and ask questions. If you want advise, I would sit back and enjoy "just in your room at night" this week!:)

Thanks...thats kinda what i was expecting:D O well, im pumped tho...all the fun begins in 5 days!!!!!

[NYSPHOPEFUL]

go to orientation. it helped a lot.

[thefirm5]

Just wondering if anyone else here met with the psychologist and haven't heard anything since. Recruiter says I have to wait until next class, but I was just wondering if anyone on here was in the same boat.

[reils49]

Congratulation reils49. It's been a long road for you.

Congratulations to the others too. It's just that I have corresponded with reils, so I singled him out.



Thank you sir.

[NYSPnal06]

I'm hearing a smaller number, just like 4985.

I went to the Orientation last night at Troop A HQ and were told the magic number was 96.

[NYSPnal06]

I don't know if people weren't listening or they just didn't think to take it seriously because you'll see people there with everything they own. Most of the guys that quit in the first week are the guys who draw special attention to themselves that first night and then are ruthlessly hounded for the rest of the week.

They showed a great pic of some poor guy who showed up the first night in a polo and shorts..I can imagine how hard they made it on him

[GrayPatriot]

I am in fact a backfill.....and a very low one at that....I hope they hired some quitters!!!! Haha

It sucks to be a backfill but at least you will miss the harassment of the first night... also, you will be the jubior guy from your class which plays a role when it comes to vacation time and a few other things.
Congrats!

Ok...gotta vent so here goes. The list of things to bring was so uninformative.

Most went through the academy without the benefit of this forum. No one here is going to spell out everything for you as going in blind is half the fun.

A few things that have already been posted:
Pack light the first week.
You should get by on 1 suit and
make friends with kiwi



Spot the recruit.
3237

He's probably wearing it in the back room now, isn' the?


Not this guy didn't strike me as a hard worker... wait a second, maybe he is :p

[NYSP61]

Maybe it has already been answered, but what rank number did they process down to for this upcoming class? (600, 800, 1000?)

Best guess anyone?

[NYSP61]

Spot the recruit.
3237









WOW... now that drives home the point!

[04RevX]

Maybe it has already been answered, but what rank number did they process down to for this upcoming class? (600, 800, 1000?)

Best guess anyone?

I'm upper 800's and went through everything up until getting a golden ticket. I'm just hoping maybe i'll get in next class.

[cadetlinux]

Low 300s and backfill here.

[Worthless1]

They showed a great pic of some poor guy who showed up the first night in a polo and shorts..I can imagine how hard they made it on him

It's ok to bring the shorts and polo shirts for going out or hanging out in your room studying. If you are on a special diet just let the staff know. Don't forget to great them when you arrive on Sunday.

[thefirm5]

I'm upper 800's and went through everything up until getting a golden ticket. I'm just hoping maybe i'll get in next class.

Mid 600's here and processing stopped at psychological interview. Recruiter said I would have received a DQ already if I was

[NYSPnal06]

I know it said uniforms would not be given out for a few weeks, does this also include PT gear..should we be bringing some plain shirts/shorts?

[04RevX]

I know it said uniforms would not be given out for a few weeks, does this also include PT gear..should we be bringing some plain shirts/shorts?

I'm guessing your suit will be your PT gear in the beginning.

[Avery2000]

My wife is having a baby at the end of January, how does the academy handle a situation like this? Will she have someone to call when she goes into labor? Will I be allowed to leave for part of a day to go to the hospital?

[SlowDownThere]

My wife is having a baby at the end of January, how does the academy handle a situation like this? Will she have someone to call when she goes into labor? Will I be allowed to leave for part of a day to go to the hospital?

You will be assigned to a Trooper. Advice him of this early during the Academy (it doesn't have to be day one). It will work out ok.

[DubyaSTI]

This is something I should have asked at the orientation but I didn't think of it at the time. They mentioned that you should make sure there is nothing illegal on your car. My car has window tint (30%) and an aftermarket exhaust. The exhaust looks similar to the stock one and it's not very loud but I'm sure they would notice it's louder then stock.
Question is do you guys recommend I remove the exhaust in favor of the stock piece? As far as the window tint, I believe it is legal. From what I understand the front windows must let in 70% worth of light, which 30% tint does. Should I attempt to have that removed also?

[NYSPHOPEFUL]

In the movie they showed at orientation it showed them inspecting cars upon arrival.

[cadetlinux]

Avery, did you attend Troop G orientation tonight?

[NYPDtoGrey]

This is something I should have asked at the orientation but I didn't think of it at the time. They mentioned that you should make sure there is nothing illegal on your car. My car has window tint (30%) and an aftermarket exhaust. The exhaust looks similar to the stock one and it's not very loud but I'm sure they would notice it's louder then stock.
Question is do you guys recommend I remove the exhaust in favor of the stock piece? As far as the window tint, I believe it is legal. From what I understand the front windows must let in 70% worth of light, which 30% tint does. Should I attempt to have that removed also?

Actually 30% tint means only 30% of light can go through the window. Fact is any tint you apply to your windows generally makes it go under 70%. Most factory windows are tinted, even a police crown vic's windows test around 70-75%. Also, for most passenger vehicles that 70% also applies to your rear side windows as well.

[DubyaSTI]

Actually 30% tint means only 30% of light can go through the window. Fact is any tint you apply to your windows generally makes it go under 70%. Most factory windows are tinted, even a police crown vic's windows test around 70-75%. Also, for most passenger vehicles that 70% also applies to your rear side windows as well.
Ahh that's news to me. Thanks for the info. Hopefully I can get an appointment to have this stuff removed before Sunday! :eek:

[SlowDownThere]

The exhaust looks similar to the stock one and it's not very loud but I'm sure they would notice it's louder then stock.
Question is do you guys recommend I remove the exhaust in favor of the stock piece?

The question about tint has been answered, so I'll take this one.

An aftermarket exhaust can be either legal or illegal. We can't hear it from here. If it's legal, keep it. If it's illegal, change it. Use your best judgement.

[SlowDownThere]

Use your best judgement.

This is a phrase you will hear a lot over the course of a career. When a supervisor gives you this advise, and you screw something up, he comes back with "that was your best judgement?"

[thefirm5]

This is something I should have asked at the orientation but I didn't think of it at the time. They mentioned that you should make sure there is nothing illegal on your car. My car has window tint (30%) and an aftermarket exhaust. The exhaust looks similar to the stock one and it's not very loud but I'm sure they would notice it's louder then stock.
Question is do you guys recommend I remove the exhaust in favor of the stock piece? As far as the window tint, I believe it is legal. From what I understand the front windows must let in 70% worth of light, which 30% tint does. Should I attempt to have that removed also?

I was actually pulled over in my jeep back the day after I got my invitation to the processing weekend. I have had my car for 7 years and it had tint when I bought it. (Not stock windows, actual tint you could remove.) First time I ever got pulled over for it. Well anyways the guy told me it had to allow the 70% light, well it read 31%, and I got the ticket and had to take it off. Did it myself with a razor blade.

He also told me it was 30% tint on the front windows not the back windows.

[thefirm5]

I was actually pulled over in my jeep back the day after I got my invitation to the processing weekend. I have had my car for 7 years and it had tint when I bought it. (Not stock windows, actual tint you could remove.) First time I ever got pulled over for it. Well anyways the guy told me it had to allow the 70% light, well it read 31%, and I got the ticket and had to take it off. Did it myself with a razor blade.

He also told me it was 30% tint on the front windows not the back windows.

Let me clarify that it allowed in 69% light, there was only 31% tint.

[VeeDubs86]

Have the windows rolled down. Tell the inspecting Trooper that you were getting used to the cold for the Academy. :)

In regards to the exhaust, if its an issue of noise, I would think that a baffle tip could quiet it down. Available cheaply at most local auto parts stores.

Just my two cents though...

Good luck again to all those attending! Don't quit. There are things far worse in life than 6 months minus weekends of torment. Namely, the way people act during the holiday season. :D

[Trooper4985]

I was actually pulled over in my jeep back the day after I got my invitation to the processing weekend. I have had my car for 7 years and it had tint when I bought it. (Not stock windows, actual tint you could remove.) First time I ever got pulled over for it. Well anyways the guy told me it had to allow the 70% light, well it read 31%, and I got the ticket and had to take it off. Did it myself with a razor blade.

He also told me it was 30% tint on the front windows not the back windows.

Depends on how your Reg reads.... is your Jeep classified as a SW or a SUBN?

12-a. (a) Every motor vehicle, except a motorcycle, when driven or
operated upon a public highway, road or street shall be equipped with a
front windshield in a fixed and more or less upright position
constructed of safety glass as defined in subdivision fourteen of this
section and required by subdivisions eleven and twelve hereof. No person
shall drive any motor vehicle with any sign or other nontransparent


material other than a certificate or paper required to be displayed by
law upon the front windshield or the sidewings or side windows on either
side forward of or adjacent to the operator's seat.
(b) No person shall operate any motor vehicle upon any public highway,
road or street:
(1) the front windshield of which is composed of, covered by or
treated with any material which has a light transmittance of less than
seventy percent unless such materials are limited to the uppermost six
inches of the windshield; or
(2) the sidewings or side windows of which on either side forward of
or adjacent to the operator's seat are composed of, covered by or
treated with any material which has a light transmittance of less than
seventy percent; or
(3) if it is classified as a station wagon, sedan, hardtop, coupe,
hatchback or convertible and any rear side window has a light
transmittance of less than seventy percent; or
(4) the rear window of which is composed of, covered by or treated
with any material which has a light transmittance of less than seventy
percent. A rear window may have a light transmittance of less than
seventy percent if the vehicle is equipped with side mirrors on both
sides of the vehicle so adjusted that the driver thereof shall have a
clear and full view of the road and condition of traffic behind such
vehicle.

[thefirm5]

Thanks Trooper, its classified as SUBN. Its a wrangler, so it has no back doors.

[BigWill2876]

The expression is 'staying under the radar'.

That means don't bring attention to yourself, your vehicle, your clothes.
Don't be the last in line, don't be the first in line, don't have a shaved head, but don't have hair longer than 1 inch.
If you didn't hear something, didn't understand something; don't raise your hand, some other idiot will have not heard or understood the same thing and HE/SHE WILL raise a hand and the "pack" will descend on him/her, not you.
Check your vehicle, MAKE IT STANDARD, Mom and Pop. Make sure the windows aren't cracked, the vehicle reg/inspection are up to date. Your reg and insurance cards are OK. The tires aren't worn or cut, all your lights work and point correctly. Update your reg/inspection if they are expiring during the Academy, as you won't have much time, and lots of places close on weekends or are so busy it takes hours to get anything done.
Shave twice, SHINE your shoes MORE than once.
Know where you are going and how long it takes to get there and then add an hour. Use multiple alarm clocks for the trip to Albany.
Surviving that first day or two is very helpful for your psych, "they" will eventually find you and test you, everyone gets tested some time or another.
When you have your s*** together after the first early time you should be good to go.

Story; Plebes at USNA rate each other after Plebe Summer and during the year. My Brother had 'under ther radar' so fine tuned that some of the Plebes in his own company (a company has around 100-125 in it 1/4 Plebes) didn't know who he was to rate !

Be prepared, luck favors those prepared !

[UpstateNYMarine]

Since the exhaust thing was brought up I have to ask this. Both my bike and the wife's have aftermarket exhaust (dealer installed) and they are louder than the stock exhaust kits but not excessive unless one is driving like an idiot. From a troopers perspective are you going to ticket someone for "pipes" if they are following all the other rules? I just like to be heard a little better in traffic when I'm in an urban area. It's saved me a couple of times already.

Thanks and looks like I'll be waiting until the next class as well. The wife is happy though she wasn't looking forward to removing the snow from the quarter mile driveway. Best of luck to everyone heading down on Sunday...:D

[GrayState]

I frequently ticket for inadequate muffler. It's inconsiderate to those around you and people have no excuse that they didn't know it was loud unless they are deaf. I can usually find other violations along with it too since people that don't maintain their muffler properly often don't do other things properly :)

[DubyaSTI]

Thanks for the advice every one. Based on my "best judgement" I put the stock exhaust back on. The one that was on there wasn't very loud, but I don't want to take any chances. Also in about a half hour I'm leaving for an appointment to have my window tint removed. :(
Every one around me thinks I'm crazy...I just think it shows how much I want the job! :D

[doowan81]

Hope everyone has a good holiday tomorrow. I received news from a guy from Albany that I didn't make the backfill list, but he said I was in the first 10 for the next academy class, which I guess is ok:) I am in the 400s in case there are others who are wondering about their situation. Only a few more days for the ones that are going!

[Tlundberg04]

i guess i just barely made the backfill list then because i'm in the low 400's. anyone know how many are on the list?

[SlowDownThere]

Thanks for the advice every one. Based on my "best judgement" I put the stock exhaust back on. The one that was on there wasn't very loud, but I don't want to take any chances. Also in about a half hour I'm leaving for an appointment to have my window tint removed. :(
Every one around me thinks I'm crazy...I just think it shows how much I want the job! :D

I think you made the right decision, but I didn't want to come right out and tell you what you should do. Actually, since you are from LI, I probably missed my only chance to do so. Ha Ha:D

[SlowDownThere]

i guess i just barely made the backfill list then because i'm in the low 400's. anyone know how many are on the list?

Just a guess, I have no inside knowledge. But I suspect it usually around 10 per cent of the class, which mean 9 or 10 people.

[cadetlinux]

10 people are backfill and were already contacted to my knowledge.

[Tlundberg04]

yeah i got a call for the orientation but i was in florida and couldn't go.

[cadetlinux]

I would guess you are number 10 then as I know the rank of number 9 and it's still in the 300s. Keep your fingers crossed!!!

[Nick331]

Happy Thanksgiving everyone! Enjoy it for those of you going to the Academy, last meal like this for a while haha!

[SlowDownThere]

I'm upper 800's and went through everything up until getting a golden ticket. I'm just hoping maybe i'll get in next class.

I am always amused when I hear people talk of "The Golden Ticket."

While this is a good job and can be a fantastic career, there is nothing Golden about it. This job is hard work, and it's harder now than 20 years ago. (believe me, I was here 20 years ago).

You will be well paid, but you will earn every penny. There is nothing golden about it. It's not like you've won the lottery. Though I do admire the enthusiasm.

[cadetlinux]

It's official, see you all Sunday :)

[doowan81]

A very well deserved congrats to cadetlinux. You deserve it bro. You better be running right now!

[doowan81]

well I've heard that only 61 people have accepted for the academy that starts on Sunday...which leaves a big gap leftover for the 95 they wanted. I heard they went through all the backfills and are still calling. I wonder if I will get a call since I am in the 400's, and I wonder if they will keep calling in to next week after the initial academy start date. Very exciting news, although I prolly won't get a chance until the next academy go-round.

[NYGiants]

I missed the orientation this last weekend. I was told by my recruiter that you should bring a suitcase with all your items in it. Is this what you guys were told, he also mentioned to not bring a suitcase with wheels on it, do those even exist anymore? anyone else told something different to bring.

[NYGiants]

how much running should we expect at the academy. I am able to run 3-5 miles, just wondering if we should expect a 2-4 mile run every day?

[DubyaSTI]

It's official, see you all Sunday :)
Awesome news! Congrats!

[cadetlinux]

thanks, I'll be looking for a wrx, my gto has too many mods so it's staying home

[Trooper4985]

how much running should we expect at the academy. I am able to run 3-5 miles, just wondering if we should expect a 2-4 mile run every day?

You will never know what to expect... I would guess that you are not going to be running anything less than a little over 3 miles every morning. Google maps shows the wonderful loop as only 2.8 miles but I believe the number 3.2 was used by a couple of ATO's when I was there.

[Nick331]

Yeah the state campus is 3.3 miles in the circle from the Academy. Car odometers work very well :) I was just accepted to The College of Saint Rose so I'm very happy today! Good luck to all that will be at the Academy tomorrow!

[Avery2000]

Yeah, as I said before I did ROTC at UAlbany, and am no stranger to running that loop. It is almost exactly a 5K. It is funny too, running it in each direction has its own goods and bads due to the inclines and hills. Also, is the class really only going to be around 65? I figured a lot of people would not be able to drop everything in a week and a half.

[GrayPatriot]

how much running should we expect at the academy. I am able to run 3-5 miles, just wondering if we should expect a 2-4 mile run every day?

They first week or it will be slowed paced and then the pace and distance picks up.

You will never know what to expect... I would guess that you are not going to be running anything less than a little over 3 miles every morning. Google maps shows the wonderful loop as only 2.8 miles but I believe the number 3.2 was used by a couple of ATO's when I was there.

I used my garmin forerunner to time it a while back and it is around 3.1miles if I remember correctly --so a 5k...

[NYGiants]

Thanks for all the replies, any info on what type of bag to bring?

[cadetlinux]

I'm just bringing a suit type bag that allows you to hang your stuff and folds in half. I paid like 30$ at Wal Mart for it.

[Tlundberg04]

well I've heard that only 61 people have accepted for the academy that starts on Sunday...which leaves a big gap leftover for the 95 they wanted. I heard they went through all the backfills and are still calling. I wonder if I will get a call since I am in the 400's, and I wonder if they will keep calling in to next week after the initial academy start date. Very exciting news, although I prolly won't get a chance until the next academy go-round.

i was told i'm on the backfill list but haven't heard anything yet.

[Trooper4985]

I figured a lot of people would not be able to drop everything in a week and a half.

If you want a chance to wear the uniform bad enough you will drop everything and drive to Albany right now if told to. :D

[hxd]

I am always amused when I hear people talk of "The Golden Ticket."

While this is a good job and can be a fantastic career, there is nothing Golden about it. This job is hard work, and it's harder now than 20 years ago. (believe me, I was here 20 years ago).

You will be well paid, but you will earn every penny. There is nothing golden about it. It's not like you've won the lottery. Though I do admire the enthusiasm.

While I certainly appreciate your perspective and your sage advice, I must respectfully and politely disagree with you.

The recipients of the golden tickets represent the cross-section of the people in the world who wanted the "ultimate prize" strongly enough to put forth the effort and persistence to achieve the tour of the factory. One by one, those recipients were whittled away because their true nature wasn't consistent with the values that Willy Wonka was searching for in a successor for his business. Even though Charlie made a couple mistakes along the way, it was his honesty and integrity that saw him through to the end.

For those people who received invites to the academy, yes, they did receive "golden tickets." They were the ones who wanted it bad enough and persevered long enough to get into the academy. But now they're in the academy, they will be tested time and time again. Only those who have the honesty, integrity, drive, and heart to become New York State Troopers will see it through to the end.

For those of us who can't imagine wearing anything other than the grey, black, and purple, I submit to you that yes, it truly is the "golden ticket."

I want to work hard. I want to make a difference, one person at a time. I've been in EMS long enough that I know I can't save the world. But that doesn't mean that I can't make my contribution. I've often been told "find a job that you'll love, and you'll never work a day in your life." THAT is what's golden about it.

[NYSPnal06]

Good luck to everyone else attending tomorrow

[Avery2000]

What do they do if you show up slightly overweight, or can't do the PT test. Do they send you right home? or give you a chance if you are close?

[Trooper4985]

What do they do if you show up slightly overweight, or can't do the PT test. Do they send you right home? or give you a chance if you are close?

Ride you incessantly until you cry and admit that you want your mommy.

[Worthless1]

+1

Atleast it's not that cold in Albany in the winter.

Stay warm.

Good luck to everyone tomorrow. Remember to bring extra cloths because the state might be looking to save a few bucks and turn the heat off on you. If anyone yells at you tomorrow, just laugh they really like that. They know It might be uncomfortable to drive there in a suit so wear something comfy and they'll let you change when you get there.

[DubyaSTI]

Well this will be my last post for awhile. Thanks again to every one on this board, you've been a great help. Hopefully I can report back in 6 months with some great stories to share.
Best of luck to every one tomorrow and for the next few months!

[warrior 76]

well I've heard that only 61 people have accepted for the academy that starts on Sunday...which leaves a big gap leftover for the 95 they wanted. I heard they went through all the backfills and are still calling. I wonder if I will get a call since I am in the 400's, and I wonder if they will keep calling in to next week after the initial academy start date. Very exciting news, although I prolly won't get a chance until the next academy go-round.

i just had de ja woo. I think i ll make it to this class.:rolleyes::p

[warrior 76]

I am always amused when I hear people talk of "The Golden Ticket."

While this is a good job and can be a fantastic career, there is nothing Golden about it. This job is hard work, and it's harder now than 20 years ago. (believe me, I was here 20 years ago).

You will be well paid, but you will earn every penny. There is nothing golden about it. It's not like you've won the lottery. Though I do admire the enthusiasm.

you are one crusty and salty dawg.

[NYSP61]

If you want a chance to wear the uniform bad enough you will drop everything and drive to Albany right now if told to. :D

For sure.

[cadetlinux]

see everyone in 26 weeks!

[Nick331]

Good luck everyone, don't quit. If you want it bad enough you will get through! Hope to see everyone graduate in 26 weeks!

[Worthless1]

I wonder who is crying for there mommy right now.:)

[SlowDownThere]

But from my perspective SDT is not being crusty nor salty he is telling you flat out how it is. Well except for the 20 year part I think he is fudging on the numbers there a bit;)



23 years in March.;)

[SlowDownThere]

you are one crusty and salty dawg.I've been accused of that before. Persoanlly, I don't think so, but I can see why others might.

I must admit, I didn't get the Willie Wonka reference until it was pointed out to me. It's been a very long time since I've seen that movie. I always found him to be rather creepy.

[hxd]

I must admit, I didn't get the Willie Wonka reference until it was pointed out to me. It's been a very long time since I've seen that movie. I always found him to be rather creepy.

I have absolutely no idea how many other people had actually considered the "golden ticket" reference in that context. But I guess it's all about what you can articulate, right? :D

Gene wilder wasn't nearly as creepy as Johnny Depp was. There was something about those creepy purple hands that raised a whole bunch of flags for me.

[hxd]

Hey what's wrong with purple?

It's not the purple. It's the hands. Hands kill. ;)

[Nick331]

While I certainly appreciate your perspective and your sage advice, I must respectfully and politely disagree with you.

The recipients of the golden tickets represent the cross-section of the people in the world who wanted the "ultimate prize" strongly enough to put forth the effort and persistence to achieve the tour of the factory. One by one, those recipients were whittled away because their true nature wasn't consistent with the values that Willy Wonka was searching for in a successor for his business. Even though Charlie made a couple mistakes along the way, it was his honesty and integrity that saw him through to the end.

For those people who received invites to the academy, yes, they did receive "golden tickets." They were the ones who wanted it bad enough and persevered long enough to get into the academy. But now they're in the academy, they will be tested time and time again. Only those who have the honesty, integrity, drive, and heart to become New York State Troopers will see it through to the end.

For those of us who can't imagine wearing anything other than the grey, black, and purple, I submit to you that yes, it truly is the "golden ticket."

I want to work hard. I want to make a difference, one person at a time. I've been in EMS long enough that I know I can't save the world. But that doesn't mean that I can't make my contribution. I've often been told "find a job that you'll love, and you'll never work a day in your life." THAT is what's golden about it.
Wow, great paragraph there. You motivational speaker you!

[skasif11]

I've been a lurker on the forums since I took the test in February...Tons of good info on here. I had a general question. I recently had abdominal surgery in early October. I had adhesions from an appendectomy 8 years ago. My surgeon advised me that the way that my body forms scar tissue, I am bound to have this happen again. First time, it took 8 years, he said it could take 2 months, 2 years, 10...20...30 years, etc. No real knowing of when. So my question is that would this be something that could DQ me when I go over my medical eval (assuming I get that far)? I'm ranked in the low 1200's, so I assume it won't be for a few years that I'll even have to worry about it with the cuts and amt of people ranked in triple digits that are on backfill/slated for next class. Thanks in advance for any and all replies.

[04RevX]

I am always amused when I hear people talk of "The Golden Ticket."

While this is a good job and can be a fantastic career, there is nothing Golden about it. This job is hard work, and it's harder now than 20 years ago. (believe me, I was here 20 years ago).

You will be well paid, but you will earn every penny. There is nothing golden about it. It's not like you've won the lottery. Though I do admire the enthusiasm.

Ehh, it's just an expression. I could've said i've went through all processing up until the point of receiving a yellow folder saying that I had been selected to participate in the next academy class, but thought "Golden Ticket" would get my point across.

[Brian23]

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[04RevX]

I am one of the guys they recently called for backfill...nervously waiting for a call now.

If you don't mind saying, what is your approximate rank???

Good luck on getting called by the way.

[FKD1013]

Hi everyone.. I've been lurking a while, and decided to finally post.

I've been a State CO for almost four and a half years, and took my first NYSP exam this past Feb. I'm ranked 41XX (Score 90.XX), so I'm hopeful that maybe in a few years I'll hear something, but I'm not sure how many they usually process from one exam so you never know.

I wanted to say good luck and congratulations to all the future troopers currently at the academy, you've worked hard and earned your place!

[nickebloom]

I am one of the guys they recently called for backfill...nervously waiting for a call now.

Brian23 what was your rank on the list when you logged into the exam system? Looking to see where they are at approximately on the list of eligibles. thanks.

[GrayPatriot]

Ehh, it's just an expression. I could've said i've went through all processing up until the point of receiving a yellow folder saying that I had been selected to participate in the next academy class, but thought "Golden Ticket" would get my point across.

Ehh, or else you could have said a "letter of appointment", which is what it is...

[Trooper4985]

I've been a lurker on the forums since I took the test in February...Tons of good info on here. I had a general question. I recently had abdominal surgery in early October. I had adhesions from an appendectomy 8 years ago. My surgeon advised me that the way that my body forms scar tissue, I am bound to have this happen again. First time, it took 8 years, he said it could take 2 months, 2 years, 10...20...30 years, etc. No real knowing of when. So my question is that would this be something that could DQ me when I go over my medical eval (assuming I get that far)? I'm ranked in the low 1200's, so I assume it won't be for a few years that I'll even have to worry about it with the cuts and amt of people ranked in triple digits that are on backfill/slated for next class. Thanks in advance for any and all replies.

Probably a question best answered by a Division Doc and I don't think any of them read or post here. I would call your Troop Recruiter and ask for help in getting in touch with someone who can provide you the answer.

[04RevX]

Ehh, or else you could have said a "letter of appointment", which is what it is...

Ok I won't ever use the G T phrase ever again. I promise. I processed up until receiving a letter of appointment.

[Brian23]

My rank is in the 400's. How long do they back fill for at the academy?

[GrayState]

I hear that there is a 14 out :D

They usually backfill for a week or week and a half. If you haven't heard anything by the end of week 2, don't expect to make it in until the next academy class.

[04RevX]

My rank is in the 400's. How long do they back fill for at the academy?

Upper 400's lower 400's????

[Brian23]

Upper 400's lower 400's????

Lower 400's.

[SlowDownThere]

Ok I won't ever use the G T phrase ever again. I promise. I processed up until receiving a letter of appointment.

Lighten up a little. After all, I said I was amused, not angry. ;)

I don't care what you call it. How about the "Golden Manna from Nirvana, written by Thor himself, and proof read by Zarathrustra."

GMNTprZ

If you don't mind me mixing myths.

[GrayState]

I got the Willy Wonka reference, but you completely lost me on that one SDT!

[nickebloom]

Any idea when the new list of eligibility comes out or gets published?

[SlowDownThere]

I got the Willy Wonka reference, but you completely lost me on that one SDT!

That's because I just made it up. :D

[OTVFD18]

Does anyone have an idea of how many NYSP recruits have prior LE experience? I'm not looking for numbers, just a general consensus. It seems that most of the new recruits that posted here had no prior LE experience (besides military). Is this a common trend or are there a fair share of recruits who have been LEOs prior to the start of the NYSP academy?

[GrayPatriot]

Just under 50% prior military and around 10% prior LE. At least 5 of those that didn't make it were prior LE.

[FKD1013]

I work out pretty regularly and drink protein shakes.. some of the guys at work are recommending creatine supplements, but I wasn't sure if that was something NYSP would look down on? Just thought I'd ask to be on the safe side.

[thefirm5]

Wonder how many people want to go home to mommy tonight?

Another topic, anyone ever read Lone Survivor?

Best book I ever read, they are also making a movie but I am sure it won't do it justice.

That book is great. One of the best that I have read.

[Trooper4985]

I work out pretty regularly and drink protein shakes.. some of the guys at work are recommending creatine supplements, but I wasn't sure if that was something NYSP would look down on? Just thought I'd ask to be on the safe side.

Creatine is naturally produced by your body and it's not a controlled or otherwise illegal substance so why would Division have a problem with it? Are you going to be able to have food in your quad? No, but that's a diffrent story.

[FKD1013]

Creatine is naturally produced by your body and it's not a controlled or otherwise illegal substance so why would Division have a problem with it? Are you going to be able to have food in your quad? No, but that's a diffrent story.

Sounds good, just double checking. So on average how soon after one academy starts do they start processing for the next class.. I'm hoping maybe the fourth or fifth class I get notified, but the results for the October test the military guys took aren't up yet so that could set my rank back quite a bit.

[BigWill2876]

Creatine is naturally produced, you really don't need more than what your body naturally produces/uses.

Supplements can be good or bad.

I suggest you ONLY USE "EAS" products, they are certified to be un-contaminated by improper mixing/cleaning of equiptment.
The NFLPA (National Football League Player's Assoc.) tells the NFL players to ONLY USE EAS for that reason. Plus, none of their products are currently illegal for use in the NFL and their collective bargaining agreement. Which means you won't get a positve reading while in the Academy for a CDS.

I suggest that you pay close attention to hydration while in the Academy if you want to use creatine, it can cause muscle cramping with improper hydration.

[FKD1013]

I figured as much with the budget.. it can get confusing because I heard they recently let go a class at the DOC academy.. but just started another one the same night NYSP did.. who knows though there is so much floating around, I hear different things all the time. And BigWill thanks for the creatine input, I like my regular protein shakes after a workout but had heard some good things about a few creatine products from guys at work so I just figured I'd ask. I'm sure there's a long way to go before I see the academy, but it's never too soon to get into shape for it.

[OTVFD18]

My class had somewhere around a dozen. However, 2 did not graduate.

Just under 50% prior military and around 10% prior LE. At least 5 of those that didn't make it were prior LE.

Thanks for the info.

[NYSP61]

I'm sure there's a long way to go before I see the academy, but it's never too soon to get into shape for it.

FKD1013,

What did you score on the exam, if you don't mind me asking?

[tc05sti]

any news when they are going to be sending out letters again?

[Nick331]

any news when they are going to be sending out letters again?

Appointment letters? Seeing as how a class just went in Sunday night, 6 months from now will be graduation and then you have to wait for a whole new bunch to process. It's not going to be for a while. It's way to soon to even speculate about another class because of the economy.

[NNYSquad]

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[FKD1013]

FKD1013,

What did you score on the exam, if you don't mind me asking?

No problem.. I scored 90.xx and ranked mid 4100's.

[thefirm5]

Creatine is naturally produced, you really don't need more than what your body naturally produces/uses.

Supplements can be good or bad.

I suggest that you pay close attention to hydration while in the Academy if you want to use creatine, it can cause muscle cramping with improper hydration.

Just a follow up on this very correct statement. I was certified to be a personal trainer, but have since let it lapse because I didn't have enough time. Also my mother has worked in the physical fitness business for as long as I have been alive and has tons of resources on this type of stuff. However what bigwill said is great. Supplements are exactly that SUPPLEMENTS.
I will use protein shakes as an example. A lot of guys insist on drinking protein shakes, however a good portion of them already get enough protein in their diet, which is the best way to get it. Shakes and supplements should be used if you don't get enough naturally.
The problem arises when your body processes these extra nutrients in your body. It puts a lot of extra stress on your kindeys because they have to filter the stuff out. Which in the short-term, not that bad, but long term could come back to haunt you.
Long story short, if you can get it from the food and liquids you would normally take in in a day, then do that. Anything extra means extra work on the organs.

Sorry for the long post, but I know there is alot of talk about this kind of stuff with guys who work out.

[skid13]

Yeah, any talk or rumors about when the next academy class might start? I've seen in the past where they usually start a month after the previous class graduates, but I've heard you might be see the next one sooner than most think.

This Week.

[BigWill2876]

Which goes to one of my reasons for hydration while using supplements.

Keeps the concentrations diluted with masses of water so that the kidney doesn't get stressed.

One of my cousins was a big 'roid head back 15 years ago and lost a kidney from the abuse !

[thefirm5]

Which goes to one of my reasons for hydration while using supplements.

Keeps the concentrations diluted with masses of water so that the kidney doesn't get stressed.

One of my cousins was a big 'roid head back 15 years ago and lost a kidney from the abuse !

Exactly, I don't know about you, but I would much rather just eat normal food, not use supplements and have a truly natural build. If you were meant to be big, you would have grown that way. Hard work is the best way to go!

Plus hydration is very important no matter what. Its amazing what drinking the amount of water you are supposed to, will actually do for weight loss, fatigue and overall health. I read an article that said 50% of the time your body "feels" hungry, you are actually just thirsty but your mind thinks you have to eat.

[nickebloom]

Yeah, any talk or rumors about when the next academy class might start? I've seen in the past where they usually start a month after the previous class graduates, but I've heard you might be see the next one sooner than most think. Plus, if they only took 95 recruits there should be plenty left over from the medical processing, which had 220-240 people attend, to fill another class.

I don't see how the budget or economy should affect another class starting up too much...traffic tickets bring revenue into the state. Not to mention that usually when unemployment increases so does the crime rate.

I was one of the ones from the medical processing who passed everything, no letter though. I guess they had a bunch or deferrals to sign up first. I scored 98.XX on the exam sooo hopefully second class. I gave up my career in the Marines to do this.

[Trooper4985]

Heard 5 recruits quit the sunday night and 2 more quit after having to do 15 push ups in their suits.

[Jay718]

wow i wish i could have the chance to do 15 pushups in a suit one day, guess some people cant handle it

[NNYSquad]

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[FKD1013]

Heard 5 recruits quit the sunday night and 2 more quit after having to do 15 push ups in their suits.

That's hilarious. I'm was amazed when people were quitting the NYSDOC academy, and that was literally nothing. Good to rule out the weak ones sooner than later!

[SlowDownThere]

Heard 5 recruits quit the sunday night and 2 more quit after having to do 15 push ups in their suits.

Reliable source?

[Nick331]

Heard 5 recruits quit the sunday night and 2 more quit after having to do 15 push ups in their suits.

15 push-ups? Wow, that's shocking how did they pass the PAT?

[nickebloom]

Yeah really....15 push ups? They think those are mind games? Try Marine boot camp in the 1990's.

[Brian23]

If that is true, I really hope I hear something this weekend..I must be one of the last backfills.

[GrayPatriot]

15 push-ups? Wow, that's shocking how did they pass the PAT?

Yeah really....15 push ups? They think those are mind games? Try Marine boot camp in the 1990's.

15 pushups could very well mean 15+ miuntes in the push up position.

[SlowDownThere]

"Oh You're just not getting it are you! Try again. Zero! Again Zero! Again Zero! Zero! Zero! Oh you almost had that one but the recruit in the corner just didn't want to lock his arms ZERO! ZERO! blahblahblahzeroblahlahblahzero! Let's just sit here in the up position for five minutes as we all visualize the proper way to do a push up. Ok start again ZERO!



It's nice to see some things never change.:D

[ML75]

Very likely the case. The old we aren't leaving until we all do 15 proper push ups together.

"Oh You're just not getting it are you! Try again. Zero! Again Zero! Again Zero! Zero! Zero! Oh you almost had that one but the recruit in the corner just didn't want to lock his arms ZERO! ZERO! blahblahblahzeroblahlahblahzero! Let's just sit here in the up position for five minutes as we all visualize the proper way to do a push up. Ok start again ZERO!

At this point you go to your special place. For those who want it bad enough their special place is that part of their brain that makes it all go away. To those who don't their special place is home with mommy.:D

"How many push-up positions are there?" D-OH

My personal favorite was the morning my friend and I got to lead everyone in 200 burpees then he and I got to run the loop sharing a 35lb medicine ball.. and that was just week 2... :) Good times..

[NYSPJOB]

"How many push-up positions are there?" D-OH

My personal favorite was the morning my friend and I got to lead everyone in 200 burpees then he and I got to run the loop sharing a 35lb medicine ball.. and that was just week 2... :) Good times..

So you were the cause for the 200 burpees! Well, "Front Falls" will always hold a special place in my heart. I think I am going to have some scrambled eggs and sausage links for breakfast, just for old times sake :)

[BradyBeck]

Hey guys,

I've been reading this thread for quite sometime. It's interesting to see the comradery you guys have in sharing all the same interests. I just had a couple quick questions for you if thats alright. I have always wanted to be a trooper, so I took the test in February 2008. I did okay, but not as well as I anticipated (everyone says that lol) I got an 88 on the examination and I am ranked 5500 something . . . do i stand a chance in this process?? Or did I score too low? How long would you estimate given the circumstances (the economy and whatnot) that it would take to even be looked at?

I'm sure you guys get alot of these inquiries, but I just want to know if my dream to be a NYS Trooper is feasible or if I should move on.

Thanks for taking the time to read this.

[pilot56]

I realize that the numbers will vary but......On average how many troopers will work out of a given station for a shift?

[GrayPatriot]

I just want to know if my dream to be a NYS Trooper is feasible or if I should move on.

.

What Up on Base said... Though I might add these are different times and who knows what they will do in the near and distant future with the State Police. They may not go so deep into the list as in previous yrs but I am thinking in the 5,000s you should still be safe.

I realize that the numbers will vary but......On average how many troopers will work out of a given station for a shift?

As mentioned it varies from station to station. Zone and Troop will have more Troopers but I can't put a number on the actual amount working on any shift.

I can say that I have worked at a station where they had 3 Troopers on a 1 shift answering less than one call for service a day whereas my current station often has 1 trooper handling 8-14 calls depending on how many they can fit into their shift. The 1 shift usually rolls in around 7:15pm every night unless they are still on calls.

[willie7797]

are there any plain clothes units?

[pilot56]

Thanks for the info.

[SlowDownThere]

are there any plain clothes units?

Plenty of them.

Investigators are all plain clothes, both back room and specialized units.

[willie7797]

I should prob rephrase that. I meant to ask are there plain clothes units that do some type of patrol?

[SlowDownThere]

I should prob rephrase that. I meant to ask are there plain clothes units that do some type of patrol?

That information is highly classified.

Need to know basis only. ;)

[willie7797]

Lol Excuse Me.
But thank you for the insight.

[Nick331]

15 pushups could very well mean 15+ miuntes in the push up position.

Oh ok I understand now, thanks for the clarification. Now I can comprehend why they would quit. But for me quittings not an option they have to kick me out!

[BradyBeck]

Thanks for the info.

[willie7797]

How come troopers dont wear vests?

[woodster11x]

I have a question for the current nysp on this forum. A few days ago i got a letter in the mail saying that i was apparently "not what the nysp is looking for". I am currently at fletc training for cbp officer. This jobs seems cushy but nysp is what I have wanted to do since i graduated highschool. Did 4 years as a security forces member in the airforce and did two tours in iraq. Kept a clean record the whole time and a very clean driving record. I also passed a background investigation for the department of homeland security so i dont think im that bad of a guy? But apparently im not good enough for the nysp according to the genious's in albany. One guys dream gone out the window in one letter. Didnt even make it to the polygraph. Knocked out on the psych. Anyway, enough bitching, does anyone know if theres any kind of appeal process for this? I truly dont feel that I should have been DQed from the process. Sorry for the lengthy post. Guess I'll just try and be happy with this job for now. Plenty of opportunities in the feds that dont require the individual to be a robot :-(

[woodster11x]

I also called up all of my trooper buddies after it happend and they really couldnt articulate a logical reason why i would have been DQed. Must be a pretty shady process down there in albany. Should i try again four years from now or will they just keep the results from my previous psych eval?

[woodster11x]

yeah that came out wrong. sorry. I just feel like I worked so hard towards it by staying on the right path and never doing anything that I thought would eliminate me. Been waiting since highschool for this. 24 now. I guess it does happen to people all the time. I didnt mean robots as an insult. Just meant that the current troopers must have an even cleaner record than me which i didnt think was possible but hey. I still look very highly at my friends who are troopers and the nysp in general. I just feel that somone in albany made a very bad call and I feel that I should be able to at least appeal it. Thank you for the replies. btw. I went to the red carpet lounge once at fletc and had a knife pulled on me the first hour there. never again lol. Georgia sux. End of story

[woodster11x]

Not a whole lot of jobs in the feds that do the stuff I wanted to do as a trooper but i suppose i can find somthing similiar. Federal Protective Services maybe. who knows

[woodster11x]

alright thanx for the info. nysp was really the only one i wanted to do as far as a state or local agency. Just crazy that the whole thing even happend. Talk about life throwing you curves. Probably going to go air and marine once ive spent a little time as a cbp officer

[GrayPatriot]

. Plenty of opportunities in the feds that dont require the individual to be a robot :-(

You answered your own question with this remark! I wouldn't bother taking the test again!

How come troopers dont wear vests?

What would make you incorrecly think this?

[Trooper4985]

How come troopers dont wear vests?

Seeing as shortly after Andy Sperr was murdered, the Superintendant made it mandatory for road Troopers to wear their vest (even though Andy was wearing his vest), I doubt you are going to see any road Troopers not wearing their vest. It's tough to see that some guys are wearing their vest because they are in great shape... some of us aren't in such great shape so the vest is visible.

And what is with the bold?

[warrior 76]

alright thanx for the info. nysp was really the only one i wanted to do as far as a state or local agency. Just crazy that the whole thing even happend. Talk about life throwing you curves. Probably going to go air and marine once ive spent a little time as a cbp officer

Its all good man. Cbp is very boring. go for marines sniper.

[BigWill2876]

My Dad always pipes up; "Don't think that vests will ALWAYS work, be ready, think ahead tactically, and shoot straight !"

One of his good friends NJSP was murdered on a mv stop, with vest on, while reloading his 6 shooter (didn't carry a back up). One .9mm went under the arm pit, no vest area, bounced off a bone and thru the heart.

[NYGiants]

Does the academy get easier as it goes on or is it the same yelling and messing with you as it is in the beginning....if it does get easier when does it?? (wife of NYGIANTS)

[GrayState]

If you think about it... once the recruits learn how to do things correctly and what is expected of them, it will get easier in the sense that they won't need to be yelled at and messed with as much. Of course, there will be those that don't learn and it only gets worse for them.

[Nick331]

Just out of curiosity where did you get this idea?

I was wondering the same thing.

[Yankees13]

I'm guessing your writing this because he came home from the first week and you could tell he was a little rattled. This is perfectly normal. If you have never been in a situation like that before I can be a HUGE shock. The Academy doesn't get easier so much as you get used to it. You develop a rhythm and before you know it that rhythm will pull you through. There is always going to be PT, DT and an Academic course load. Most of all there is always going to be some sort of instructor induced stress. It has to be there. But if they are cut out to be a Trooper the recruits will learn to deal with it to the point where eventually it seems easier. Some recruits will have an easier time with the Academy but it is really never supposed to be easy.

NY Illini , you mention there is always PT, DT and course load, what does DT refer to? Thanks... I'm trying to get as much feedback/info about The Academy as possible.

[Yankees13]

Thanks JB !

[Nick331]

NY Illini , you mention there is always PT, DT and course load, what does DT refer to? Thanks... I'm trying to get as much feedback/info about The Academy as possible.

This thread is a great source of information. 200 some odd pages will take a while to go through, but the information in here is great as stated. Check out http://www.nytrooper.com/academy.cfm for some more Academy information.

[mwonger80]

For those who don't know I scored 97xx on the written test in Feb, ranked low 600s, and was invited to final medical processing, but was not on selection for this class or a backfill. I contacted my recruiter who had advised me to stay in shape, out of trouble, the usual. I am finishing college right now so I have no problem with that. However, other Police agencies have been contacting me for further processing including Pennsylvania State Police & a local NJ police agency.

I wanted to know if processing through these agencies could be damaging to my appointment in the NYSP?
Although the NYSP had already reviewed my background, I am just nervous that if one of these agencies find something not suitable for them, when reviewed before the next academy class, it will be looked at negatively. How much truth can be told of this?

[hxd]

Different agencies have different standards when looking at candidates. If PaSP doesn't feel that you're a good fit, but NYSP does, I don't see where that would hurt you with NYSP.

On the other hand, consider this:
What if, for whatever reason, you don't get an invite from NYSP after you have passed on several other agencies?

If your dream is to be a cop, it would be prudent to pursue ALL of the opportunities presented to you. Even if you don't get (or take) the job, you get practice in going through the process.

[NYSP61]

If your dream is to be a cop, it would be prudent to pursue ALL of the opportunities presented to you. Even if you don't get (or take) the job, you get practice in going through the process.

Agreed.

I learned a while back that if being involved in law enforcement is what I really want to do (and it is :) ) then I absolutely cannot put all my eggs in one basket.

I received excellent advice from a Lt./SWAT Cmdr. which I will pass on to you: Take as many tests as you can and get your foot in the door, even if it is not at first with your "dream agency". Then go from there.

Best of luck in your endeavors.

[mwonger80]

Thanks for the great advice, I just wont want to damage any chances with the NYSP because of applications with other agencies. I have been applying basically Everywhere b/c I want to be in law enforcement.

I don't see anyting negative because I am basically going to copy all information from my NYSP application to the other applications.
Thanks again guys!

[GrayPatriot]

Does the academy get easier as it goes on or is it the same yelling and messing with you as it is in the beginning....if it does get easier when does it?? (wife of NYGIANTS)

Like some of the guys have mentioned is may not necessarily get easier rather you adapt to the routine. They do throw curve balls at you to keep you on your toes but it is never easy.

Every Sunday night driving off Exit 3 (correct me if I am wrong) you get the same sick feeling in your stomach whether it be week 2 or week 22.

[nickebloom]

Does anyone know how to find out the new list of eligibility?

[NYSP61]

Does anyone know how to find out the new list of eligibility?

I would think the best way is to keep checking on www.nytrooper.com.

Remember, rank numbers will change based upon the last (and upcoming March 21, 2009) military testing.

As of today, exam results from the October 4, 2008 Military Testing are not yet available.

Regardless of what it is now, it WILL change after they figure in the military applicants that tested in October and those that will test in March '09.

The most accurate rank number for all of us will be AFTER the March 2009 Military Testing.

Just my 2 cents. Anyone else, feel free to correct or agree with me.

[nickebloom]

So for all of you out there that did not make it in to this class but passed all phases of processing.....what is your rank number? Thanks

[doowan81]

I scored a 98.55, and I am currently ranked 48X.

[NNYSquad]

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[tmo1114]

hey, first post but i've been reading along for a while. i scored a 97.xx and ranked in the 700's

[04RevX]

I'm in the 800's.....

[NNYSquad]

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[Beatcop10]

Hey I know you guys have the .45 GAP now but do you carry a shotgun or rifle on patrol? If so does everyone? thanks and good luck to everyone

[VeeDubs86]

I normally would be happy with a score above an 80 on a test, but not when it ranks me above 11.5k. :(

[Trooper4985]

Hey I know you guys have the .45 GAP now but do you carry a shotgun or rifle on patrol? If so does everyone? thanks and good luck to everyone

Every Troop Car is equipped with a Remington 870 with a short barrel. We all qualify at 50 yards with slugs in it but I would prefer (and feel safer) having division allow me qualify with and carry an M4 (with green tip ammo) topped with an EOTech that I have to buy on my own.

[willie7797]

I asked it because I just couldn't see it in pictures. But thanks for enlightening me.

[phoenix23]

I would prefer (and feel safer) having division allow me qualify with and carry an M4 (with green tip ammo) topped with an EOTech that I have to buy on my own.

Who wouldn't prefer one of these! Heck, I'd even buy my own too if we were allowed to carry them (I'd prefer it to be mounted above my head though)

[Beatcop10]

thanks you gents!

[a cashew]

Same here -- I went for a job in Fairfax about after going down for one weekend for testing and seeing the traffic... I lost all interest.

[pilot56]

Maybe it's just me but how come it seems as if State Troopers don't carry as much stuff on their duty belts as other police officers in other agencies do. If you are a Trooper could you tell me what you carry on your belt when on patrol.

Thanks

[GrayPatriot]

Maybe it's just me but how come it seems as if State Troopers don't carry as much stuff on their duty belts as other police officers in other agencies do. If you are a Trooper could you tell me what you carry on your belt when on patrol.

Thanks

I only carry my ninja thowing stars and my mp3 player. While responding to a fight in progress I crank up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO_QntXc-c4

[Trooper4985]

Maybe it's just me but how come it seems as if State Troopers don't carry as much stuff on their duty belts as other police officers in other agencies do. If you are a Trooper could you tell me what you carry on your belt when on patrol.

Thanks

Were the responses you got last time you asked this (http://forums.officer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93591) not good enough for you?

[BigWill2876]

Don't forget the bullet proof clip board that you carry in the "opposite" hand. Not really on the belt but still ...

[warrior 76]

when will be the next class?

[warrior 76]

i want to use my vacation before that.

[GrayState]

Sometime within the next 6 months to 5 years :)

[warrior 76]

wow. I am so excited. I cant wait to be a buff trooper.:D

[Nick331]

when will be the next class?

Well I'd say 3.76 years.

Honestly, no one knows. There wasn't a definite for this class. Some thought the class would be canceled due to the economy, some thought january. Atleast 7-8 months for the next class is the BEST case scenario.

[SlowDownThere]

Big File 14 out tonight. What do you other incumbents think of it?

I suppose it mostly affects NCO's and INV's. But I'm one of them and it affects me. You can imagine my surprize when I saw my name on it.

[Worthless1]

Big File 14 out tonight. What do you other incumbents think of it?

I suppose it mostly affects NCO's and INV's. But I'm one of them and it affects me. You can imagine my surprize when I saw my name on it.

I think you mean, you were surprised it finally came out.

[GrayPatriot]

Big File 14 out tonight. What do you other incumbents think of it?

I suppose it mostly affects NCO's and INV's. But I'm one of them and it affects me. You can imagine my surprize when I saw my name on it.

Yeah it was a big 14. Most of the Troopers around here got a heads up so there was no surprises.

I did see your name on it I was way surprised myself but I hope you enjoy the new land!

[SlowDownThere]

I think you mean, you were surprised it finally came out.

No actually. I knew it was coming out.

I am surpirzed to see my name on it, because I wasn't expecting to be on it.

[UpstateNYMarine]

Just another firearms question..but by the looks of things most of you like em so what the hey...

Most of you prolly have CCWs. I also heard you can buy a handgun using your badge. How does all that work? Do you have to list everything you have on your CCW on your badge as well? Vice Versa?

Also do they allow you to carry a backup weapon (ie. ankle holster etc.)?

Just curious how all that works?

One more thing...do I need to keep calling my background investigator everytime that I put another handgun on my permit? I have a small shooting addiction that drives my wife nuts....although she is getting into it and pursuing her own permit.

Many thanks...and best of luck to those that made it into this first class. I got bumped back into the 700s so I'm hoping I make the next one but we'll see what the Governor has up his sleeve.

:eek:

[SlowDownThere]

Yeah it was a big 14. Most of the Troopers around here got a heads up so there was no surprises.



No heads up here :mad: Thus the surprize.:mad::mad::mad:

[Yankees13]

What is a File 14?

[SlowDownThere]

It's a little bit of "inside baseball," but basically it's just an administrative message dealing with personnel matters.

Promotions, transfers, reassignments, that sort of thing.

[Nick331]

Dropped by the academy today, saw the recruits out doing some push-ups in their business attire and the cloud of breath from all the Troopers yelling. Joy. haha

[Yankees13]

It's a little bit of "inside baseball," but basically it's just an administrative message dealing with personnel matters.

Promotions, transfers, reassignments, that sort of thing.

Got it, thanks SDT..

[Trooper4985]

Got it, thanks SDT..

What is the thought process behind making recruits do pushups in business attire/suits? Isn't that what PT gear is for ?

It's for the amusement of the staff.

[Nick331]

It's for the amusement of the staff.

They were amused. I saw bunches of grins.

[doowan81]

Well, I received my rejection letter today. This is coming after I spoke with many people in Albany who said I was going to be in the next class. I was even told that my BI passed and made it through the process too. I was ranked 485, with a 98.55 so I really do not know what to think. At least I have a good job now so I was not banking on it, but it is pretty discouraging since I flew back and forth from NC for every little thing and after being told I was in the next class, to be rejected. I guess it is funny how NYS works. Good luck to everyone else.

[SCHPapplicant21]

Well, I received my rejection letter today. This is coming after I spoke with many people in Albany who said I was going to be in the next class. I was even told that my BI passed and made it through the process too. I was ranked 485, with a 98.55 so I really do not know what to think. At least I have a good job now so I was not banking on it, but it is pretty discouraging since I flew back and forth from NC for every little thing and after being told I was in the next class, to be rejected. I guess it is funny how NYS works. Good luck to everyone else.


Join the North Carolina State Highway Patrol, you'll have just as much fun down there, dont give up

[Yankees13]

Well, I received my rejection letter today. This is coming after I spoke with many people in Albany who said I was going to be in the next class. I was even told that my BI passed and made it through the process too. I was ranked 485, with a 98.55 so I really do not know what to think. At least I have a good job now so I was not banking on it, but it is pretty discouraging since I flew back and forth from NC for every little thing and after being told I was in the next class, to be rejected. I guess it is funny how NYS works. Good luck to everyone else.

sorry to hear doowan, what was their reasoning? did they list anything specific?

[Nick331]

Well, I received my rejection letter today. This is coming after I spoke with many people in Albany who said I was going to be in the next class. I was even told that my BI passed and made it through the process too. I was ranked 485, with a 98.55 so I really do not know what to think. At least I have a good job now so I was not banking on it, but it is pretty discouraging since I flew back and forth from NC for every little thing and after being told I was in the next class, to be rejected. I guess it is funny how NYS works. Good luck to everyone else.

Very sorry to hear that doowan. Don't give up!

[Trooper4985]

Join the North Carolina State Highway Patrol, you'll have just as much fun down there, dont give up

If getting into suspect cars and making arrests is your thing. Many things can come from an illegal tint stop but not every cop is into "roadkills" and accidents.

[SCHPapplicant21]

If getting into suspect cars and making arrests is your thing. Many things can come from an illegal tint stop but not every cop is into "roadkills" and accidents.


Just trying to give the man confidence. Wasn't exactly trying to call a highway patrol a state police agency, I was talking in more terms of sheer agency size and being able to call yourself a "trooper" please dont bite my head off. NYSP is obviously legit otherwise 18000 people (one of which was myself) wouldn't have taken the test.

[doowan81]

Thanks to everyone who has sent a message offering me their thanks. To answer some of the questions that were asked, no, I did not have any problems with the background investigator. I was arrested once at 15, but I do not think that could have been what disqualified me. I did have my share of tickets, but most of them came in 2002, but my BI said that he didn't see anything that would dq me so I do not know. Secondly, the person that told me I was in the next class, is currently running and teaching classes at the current academy. I was told by him that since I was on "the cusp" of being in the backfills that my BI had to be done and approved of by Albany incase I was called. I passed every stage of the process, and after being told I was in, I basically feel that I was lied to to my face. My current profession is a teacher, which I have been doing now for the last 3 years, so I can't see the problem being my background and character. Whatever the reason is, I will not get an answer. My dq letter said I would not be considered for any future employment. I find it ironic that they say I'm not qualified, but the person that they do hire ends up in a scandal or getting fired, or even more so, they end up quitting the academy and wasting the NYSP time. Good luck to everyone else out there who is waiting. I'm sure that I will not be the only one who received news to the contrary.

[a cashew]

Thanks to everyone who has sent a message offering me their thanks. To answer some of the questions that were asked, no, I did not have any problems with the background investigator. I was arrested once at 15, but I do not think that could have been what disqualified me. I did have my share of tickets, but most of them came in 2002, but my BI said that he didn't see anything that would dq me so I do not know. Secondly, the person that told me I was in the next class, is currently running and teaching classes at the current academy. I was told by him that since I was on "the cusp" of being in the backfills that my BI had to be done and approved of by Albany incase I was called. I passed every stage of the process, and after being told I was in, I basically feel that I was lied to to my face. My current profession is a teacher, which I have been doing now for the last 3 years, so I can't see the problem being my background and character. Whatever the reason is, I will not get an answer. My dq letter said I would not be considered for any future employment. I find it ironic that they say I'm not qualified, but the person that they do hire ends up in a scandal or getting fired, or even more so, they end up quitting the academy and wasting the NYSP time. Good luck to everyone else out there who is waiting. I'm sure that I will not be the only one who received news to the contrary.

Can you FOIL for the info on why you were rejected?

If there is anything grossly incorrect in your personnel jacket, you could consider contacting NYSP for adjudication. Depending on how far you want to go, you can file for relief under Article 78...

[Trooper4985]

Can you FOIL for the info on why you were rejected?

If there is anything grossly incorrect in your personnel jacket, you could consider contacting NYSP for adjudication. Depending on how far you want to go, you can file for relief under Article 78...

Do you mean FOIA? I don't think sending Reynolds Wrap or an algebra equation to Washington Ave is going to get him any info. :p

[GrayState]

I'd imagine that getting any information from Washington Ave with a FOIA is difficult even. I think you are able to request some sort of review though... at least I think that is what one of the guys here did.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to spend a few days in my angry dome over Division's latest safety initiatives.

[GrayPatriot]

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to spend a few days in my angry dome over Division's latest safety initiatives.

Don't tell me they are taking away our throwing stars?!?!

Do you mean FOIA? I don't think sending Reynolds Wrap or an algebra equation to Washington Ave is going to get him any info. :p

I was thinking the same thing :p

[skasif11]

I have a question...I'm ranked 12xx, and am thinking about going into the army (AD) and doing MI for the 4 year commitment. Figuring that by the time I get out, there will be another testing done, would I be able to keep on deferring the processing weekend if I'm active duty, in Iraq/Afghanistan? Also, another note, not sure if anyone would know this, but if I were to be in MI, I'd have to pass a top secret security clearance, would this nullify the NYSP BI, or would they just do a quick and dirty one? On another note (dream), I know there are a lot of vets on this thread, anyone of you guys know anyone in MI and know if afterwards, it's possible or easier to get into the CIA, or NSA? Would be awesome to work for one of those agencies. Thanks!

[GrayPatriot]

would this nullify the NYSP BI, or would they just do a quick and dirty one? Thanks!

Yeah right! You will have a full background no matter where you come from.

[skasif11]

i believe those agencies normally come to the folks they'd like. i know two people who were in some type of special operations unit in the marines, both were approached by agencies such as the ones you mention. one currently works for the NSA, the other decided to get married and turn down the offer. if you're talking about the type of job where you get your hands dirty, i dont think military intelligence would help that much, they would most likely be looking for people with special ops experience. my knowledge on these subjects is very limited though, so don't let what i know (or don't know) discourage you from pursuing your dream.


I'd think they would come to them mostly for the clandestine-type operations. I'd rather just do straight intel analysis.

[mwonger80]

i dont know if anyone has checked or posted, but i just rechecked my rank on nytrooper.com, it went from low 600s to high 500s, but it looks like my ranking only went up 15 spots... baby steps, baby steps

[pilot56]

I agree. State Police agencies are more traiditional "full service" but that doesn't mean there are not traffic only barraks.

Which NYSP stations get more "calls" and do less traffic? I assume that the traffic only barraks you are talking about are the Troop T barraks.

[GrayState]

Just to complicate things a bit more... there are also interstate trooper assignments. For example, a barracks might have 10 troopers assigned to it that answer calls, but 1 trooper that handles interstate exclusively.

[UpstateNYMarine]

i believe those agencies normally come to the folks they'd like. i know two people who were in some type of special operations unit in the marines, both were approached by agencies such as the ones you mention. one currently works for the NSA, the other decided to get married and turn down the offer. if you're talking about the type of job where you get your hands dirty, i dont think military intelligence would help that much, they would most likely be looking for people with special ops experience. my knowledge on these subjects is very limited though, so don't let what i know (or don't know) discourage you from pursuing your dream.

For the guy that is interested in going into the intelligence field....I would suggest that you go for it. Look at all the services before you make your decision. But if I could impart any suggestions at all. Before you make your final decision on MOS (job) ask your recruiter to take what is called the DLAB (Defense Language Aptitude Battery Exam). If you do well on that you could spend your first year or so in Monterey, CA learning one of any number of languages. Then on top of that you will be processed for your TS//SCI. A combination of a language and a clearance will open tons of doors. Add a four year degree on top of that and you have a golden ticket into any government agency.

Someone else offered up that the NSA and CIA look for the Spec Ops types. While this is true the "Black Ops" folks are few and far between. Its easier to get your foot in the door with the experience and a language. The biggest thing though is to keep your nose clean. If you go the Intel route...there will be many doors opened for you that you never knew existed. The work is both thankless and highly personally rewarding. Best of luck with whatever decision you make.

If you have any questions about anything I mentioned shoot me an e-mail and maybe I can point you in the right direction.

Semper Fi,
Mike

[pilot56]

Not sure if any one has mentioned this yet but...What would you say are the best and worst aspects of the NYSP (on the job)? What would you say sets the NYSP apart from other LE agencies the most?

[GrayPatriot]

Not sure if any one has mentioned this yet but...What would you say are the best and worst aspects of the NYSP (on the job)? What would you say sets the NYSP apart from other LE agencies the most?

Worst aspect: The whole "take a prisoner to work day" thing really sucks. Once a month we must take a convicted felon on a ride along so they can see what we have to deal with on a daily basis.

Best aspect: Sorry NYIllini but it has to be the ...


















Throwing Stars :D
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[skasif11]

The Army recruiter I was talking to also advised me that if I were to be hired after serving in the army (say 4 yrs), after graduation from the academy, my salary would start higher than normal. Can anyone confirm this?

[GrayPatriot]

The Army recruiter I was talking to also advised me that if I were to be hired after serving in the army (say 4 yrs), after graduation from the academy, my salary would start higher than normal. Can anyone confirm this?

This is in fact the case but only for prior Army, Marine, and Navy. Air Force and Coast Guard have to actually pay the Division of State Police to be an employee...

Could be the same recruiter who told me I would be stationed in Hawaii and that my wish list really mattered!:eek:

[skasif11]

I may have misunderstood him...maybe he was saying something about using some of your active duty years towards retirement. I'm not sure, he told me one of those and I asked about the other...I just can't remember whether he told me about the retirement, or the seniority.

[Trooper4985]

The Army recruiter I was talking to also advised me that if I were to be hired after serving in the army (say 4 yrs), after graduation from the academy, my salary would start higher than normal. Can anyone confirm this?

Salary with who? There is no signing bonus with the NYSP simply because you did the right thing and served your county. Recruiters are known to tell you anything they think will get you to sign the contract. I would ask this recruiter to document where his information came from.

[skasif11]

Salary with who? There is no signing bonus with the NYSP simply because you did the right thing and served your county. Recruiters are known to tell you anything they think will get you to sign the contract. I would ask this recruiter to document where his information came from.

Whoa...easy man. As I wrote a few posts before, I must've misunderstood him. But I wasn't thinking in terms of signing bonus, I was talking about getting seniority based incentives (1st year of work, actually being 3 years of work with AD time), but like I said earlier, I think he told me about the buying back 3 years of retirement time, and I asked the latter.

[Beatcop10]

Hey guys be careful out there on patrol, hopefully the rest of new york isnt as bad as the city, 2 cop killers were aquitted of murder...and the third was declared a mistrial because some one was sick. Not trying to turn this into the NYPD rant but there is already a big change out on the streets in my pct. Be Safe and be smart. RIP Det Timoshenko RIP PO Enchautegui.

[NAL06]

NY State Resident here. Thanks to the Troopers working out there today and tomorrow, helping to keep things safe. Happy Holidays.

[FUCCO]

A western New York couple is credited with helping save a woman's life after her car crashed off a snow-covered road and landed in a rural creek.

Virginia and James "Chip" McKotch of Kennedy were traveling on a Chautauqua County road Tuesday morning when she spotted the back of a car sticking out of Cassadaga Creek, 60 miles south of Buffalo.

Chip McKotch walked down an embankment and tried to look inside the submerged vehicle, but the windows were fogged over. He yelled but heard nothing, so the McKotches called police. State Trooper Kevin Wozniak soon arrived and heard a muffled voice when he pounded on a window. He broke it with a rescue tool and pulled 66-year-old Lola Bennett of Frewsburg to safety.

[pilot56]

Does anyone know why they took the videos off of the NYSP Recruitment website? Also the career slideshow is no longer on the site.

Thanks

[SlowDownThere]

A western New York couple is credited with helping save a woman's life after her car crashed off a snow-covered road and landed in a rural creek.

Virginia and James "Chip" McKotch of Kennedy were traveling on a Chautauqua County road Tuesday morning when she spotted the back of a car sticking out of Cassadaga Creek, 60 miles south of Buffalo.

Chip McKotch walked down an embankment and tried to look inside the submerged vehicle, but the windows were fogged over. He yelled but heard nothing, so the McKotches called police. State Trooper Kevin Wozniak soon arrived and heard a muffled voice when he pounded on a window. He broke it with a rescue tool and pulled 66-year-old Lola Bennett of Frewsburg to safety.

Here's a link to the article. I know this Trooper, good for him.

http://www.buffalonews.com/cityregion/story/531910.html

[Trooper4985]

Does anyone know why they took the videos off of the NYSP Recruitment website? Also the career slideshow is no longer on the site.

Thanks

Budget cuts... they couldn't afford the bandwidth anymore.

[hxd]

Budget cuts... they couldn't afford the bandwidth anymore.

Really? I heard it was so they could tax the NYS residents that wanted to watch them.

[Nick331]

Merry Christmas to everyone here! Enjoy your holidays. For those of you out on patrol always stay safe!

[SCHPapplicant21]

Anyone think they'll go up to the 1700's for the next round of processing? With tolls and taxes going up I'm starting to think maybe Patterson won't make public safety state cuts

[BigWill2876]

1699 is the highest number that 'they' are reporting for the next class...;)

[Trooper4985]

Look what Santa left under the tree

1. Go fast (http://americanracingheaders.com/MustangGT_Catalog.htm)

2. Stay safe (http://www.teamglock.com/Glock-Buyers-Guide/Glock-38.htm)

[SCHPapplicant21]

Look what Santa left under the tree

1. Go fast (http://americanracingheaders.com/MustangGT_Catalog.htm)

2. Stay safe (http://www.teamglock.com/Glock-Buyers-Guide/Glock-38.htm)

New Pipes- Check

New Glock - Check +

Here's what I got, not quite as pricey but I'm happy

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i109/ewl05/bo_BO300.jpg

[Trooper4985]

I have the Glock 38 and it is a great gun. I also have about 3-4 holsters for it and still have not foud just the right one yet. Have you choosen a holster for it yet? If so which one?

I have a Sidearmor (http://www.sidearmor.com/) IWB for my 27. Wasn't the most comfortable thing when I first started wearing it but now I don't even know it's there. I went with another Sidearmor IWB for the 38... 20 degree cant middle of the back.

[THE POSTER]

Check out - holsterpro.com. He handmakes everything to specifically fit your gun. He is also located in upstate NY, so if you have any problems he is easy to get ahold of. He makes some pretty nice stuff.

[NYSPJOB]

Check out - holsterpro.com. He handmakes everything to specifically fit your gun. He is also located in upstate NY, so if you have any problems he is easy to get ahold of. He makes some pretty nice stuff.


Another New York Company that makes some nice products is DeSantis Holsters. On the web you can find them at desantisholsters.com. I just got one for my Glock 20 for Christmas. It was good all year so I had to get it something....:DI found it at a police store in Albany called Rosens Uniforms. Rosens Uniforms is also available on the web at rosensuniforms.com. They have some real genuine people working there and are real knowledgable.

On a side note I found something just as good as getting that "Golden Ticket" in the mail for those of you waiting for it (yes even after 8 months on the job I am still refering to it as a "Golden Ticket"). It is called a FILE 14, Permanent Station Assignment! I got the station I wanted for those of you from the 196.

[Trooper4985]

Another New York Company that makes some nice products is DeSantis Holsters. On the web you can find them at desantisholsters.com. I just got one for my Glock 20 for Christmas. It was good all year so I had to get it something....:DI found it at a police store in Albany called Rosens Uniforms. Rosens Uniforms is also available on the web at rosensuniforms.com. They have some real genuine people working there and are real knowledgable.

On a side note I found something just as good as getting that "Golden Ticket" in the mail for those of you waiting for it (yes even after 8 months on the job I am still refering to it as a "Golden Ticket"). It is called a FILE 14, Permanent Station Assignment! I got the station I wanted for those of you from the 196.

Has the 14 for E come out yet? We are usually the last ones for some reason.

[GrayState]

Not yet. Soon I hope.

[Worthless1]

Has the 14 for E come out yet? We are usually the last ones for some reason.

Well everyone can't be like H,G,F or K. They Get the first of everything and the best of everything.

[GrayState]

Any 14 yet???

[SlowDownThere]

I took a week off in early December. When I came back, I found out I was demoted and transfered.

So, I've been off for this past week, and I'm afraid to even ask.....

...but was I demoted and/or tranfered again?

[GrayState]

Not a demotion, just an involuntary transfer and pay imbalance between people doing station commander duties now. You've just been "realigned"! Joking aside, wtf.

[skasif11]

I have a question about the exams. Since the 2008 exams, there have been two (I think) for military personnel, and another in March 2009. My main question is this, "Has this happened before? If so, how did it effect people's scores? I'm thinking that I'll get pushed into the 4000's (currently low 1200's), and that will mean at least 3 years with the fact that they only got to about the 300/400s this time around. Would it be dumb for me to go into the National Guard and do their OCS program? (No longer considering general Army enlistment) If I do get called, or get the letter, I can always defer correct? And any preference points that I receive, I can use for promotional exams, right?

[VZMan]

I haven't posted on here in quite awhile. I do frequent the thread and see some of the same names still around and quite a few new ones.

Anyway, I saw this special report that a local news station is doing about the use of Tahoe's by the NYSP and thought I would share it.

http://news10now.com/content/special_coverage/truth_about_tahoes/Default.aspx

[GrayPatriot]

(currently low 1200's),?

I am thinking you might be called to process for the next class and be in the that class or the one after that. This is of course if the economy doesn't get even worse and you pass everything.

I haven't posted on here in quite awhile.
http://news10now.com/content/special_coverage/truth_about_tahoes/Default.aspx

Good to see you are still around.

[Trooper4985]

I took a week off in early December. When I came back, I found out I was demoted and transfered.

So, I've been off for this past week, and I'm afraid to even ask.....

...but was I demoted and/or tranfered again?

Remember the small print Sarge... "For the good of Division" :D

[Nick331]

Just involved in a car accident. Had someone cut into my lane of traffic and stay in it traveling over 70mph. I moved over to the shoulder and hit ice and snow than did a 180 into a guard rail and snowbank. A lot of damage. Car did not even stop. Put my hazard lights on and a Schenectady County Sheriff Deputy drove by and I flashed him with my high beams and he didn't even brake. Stupid me drove to a side street to avoid cars whizzing passed me at 55mph+. Deputy drove by again, didn't even stop. Than again and I flashed him with my flashlight, once again didn't even stop. Car was driveable so my dad told me to drive home behind him. Now I have a 500 dollar deductible to pay. I'm so furious more at the Deputy. I could understand if he was responding to a call, but no calls were made by him to another officer. My phone was dead after calling my dad. Filed a report with the local pd and they didn't understand why the deputy didn't even stop or radio it in. I'm so ****ed right now had to vent.

/rant.

[mwonger80]

hey nick, cars/metals are replacable, I work for a volvo dealer, screw the car, screw the money, just be happy your safe man, I've seen too many screwed up things happen involving car accidents, and I'm not even an officer yet.... keep your head straight, i'm sure we're all glad to hear your ok