Higher Speeds

[lgbr]

I've really been curious for a long time. I searched the best I could and couldn't find any other threads about this.

So let's say you're patrolling a quiet highway in the middle of the night. Two situations, let's say, one is a 4 lane divided highway, and the other is a 2lane highway that is undivided. There's no traffic, seeing as it's 1 AM, and all of the sudden, a car goes flying by. You get him on the laser as going 140 MPH.

Do you even pursue him? IIRC, the Fords you drive can go 160 or so.

So let's say you catch up to him, and he promptly pulls over.

Do you treat it like a normal traffic stop, or do you scream and tell him to get out of the car with his hands up kind of thing?

He seems like a nice kid who really doesn't mean to hurt anyone.

What kind of charges is he looking at? And what kind of things would you get him for?

I'm concerned for the safety of a few reckless friends and family members.

[irishlad2nv]

I've really been curious for a long time. I searched the best I could and couldn't find any other threads about this.

So let's say you're patrolling a quiet highway in the middle of the night. Two situations, let's say, one is a 4 lane divided highway, and the other is a 2lane highway that is undivided. There's no traffic, seeing as it's 1 AM, and all of the sudden, a car goes flying by. You get him on the laser as going 140 MPH.

Do you even pursue him? IIRC, the Fords you drive can go 160 or so.

So let's say you catch up to him, and he promptly pulls over.

Do you treat it like a normal traffic stop, or do you scream and tell him to get out of the car with his hands up kind of thing?

He seems like a nice kid who really doesn't mean to hurt anyone.

What kind of charges is he looking at? And what kind of things would you get him for?

I'm concerned for the safety of a few reckless friends and family members.

"License and registration please....sign here sir/mam...you are receiving a ticket for speeding, wreckless driving and dangerous driving...have a nice day!"

It's as simple as that...so my suggestion since you thought up this plan of yours...slow down!

[locke1419]

I would treat it as a normal traffic stop unless there was a reason to treat is as a felony stop.

I then would tow your car, write you a ticket for speeding, reckless driving, and dangerous driving.

[gotthblues]

your car would go to car jail, on a wrecker, and you would go to people jail, reckless is in same subsection as drunk driving.

[Bodie]

The tickets shall be written.

[lazycop]

You get him on the laser as going 140 MPH.

Do you even pursue him? IIRC, the Fords you drive can go 160 or so.


Would not even leave my spot. Cannot pursue for traffic violation here and the Impala tops out at 115 mph.

[e-man]

OK maybe this kid should change the vehicle to a streetbike or donorcycle goes by at 140mph.. :D :D
Same here, attempt to catch up and if I was back in the city, you get extricated from the car BUT since Iam a kinder gentler cop, you just sign here and plead not guilty... Lets let the judge assess a fine, notice I said ASSess. BTW - if a guy is going 140 in my town, he is gonna be road kill as the hills and curves will get most young bucks :D

[gotthblues]

OK maybe this kid should change the vehicle to a streetbike or donorcycle goes by at 140mph.. :D :D
Same here, attempt to catch up and if I was back in the city, you get extricated from the car BUT since Iam a kinder gentler cop, you just sign here and plead not guilty... Lets let the judge assess a fine, notice I said ASSess. BTW - if a guy is going 140 in my town, he is gonna be road kill as the hills and curves will get most young bucks :D
here its the craters or potholes. dang crappy roads.

[acreature]

Do you even pursue him? IIRC, the Fords you drive can go 160 or so.
Thats the funniest thing I've heard in a while! 160? Pfffft, I gots the uber Po-Po-Package... 340 with a slight tailwind :D

As for the rest.... that's Jail.

[bigcop97]

Sure I would try and catch the suspect vehicle. It is my job to enforce the law.

Whether we CONTINUE to pursue a vehicle or not in my department depends on several factors: weather, traffic, original offense, speeds, location... It all comes down to what that supervisor says.

I would personally rather have an 18 year old live through the night rather than kill himself or another person... especially me. If you did not slow down any I would try to get a vehicle description and back off.

Just because my car goes 160 does not mean I will... To many officers die on the roads...

Anyway back to your questions...

If they pulled over normally I would probably do a "more than normal" cautious approach to the vehicle. I would take the person into custody...

If they jumped out of the car on me. Well just like every other person they would be advised to get back into the car, and given these circumstances, yea, my gun would be out then.

[lgbr]

Like I said, I was asking because I'm concerned for family and friends. I never drive that fast.

But what I'm getting here is, a person could just keep moving at those speeds, and if the officer could not get a license plate number, he wouldn't be able to do anything?

Even if you could get the license plate number, how would you be able to catch the driver?

[keith758]

Stop him, cite him, and let him know that when the court hears his case, his license WILL be suspended, his insurance WILL go through the roof, and if Mommy and Daddy are paying the bills, they probably won't be very happy with Junior.

[Bodie]

You cannot outrun the radio or your own stupidity

[gotthblues]

Do you even pursue him? IIRC, the Fords you drive can go 160 or so.
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where the crap did you get that at??

what is IIRC?

[acreature]

If I Recall Correctly

He got it at the same place as you can't arrest without miranda first!

[gotthblues]

If I Recall Correctly

He got it at the same place as you can't arrest without miranda first!
oh i see, so he went to colleg where i did, huh, must have had the same professor,

where the hell did he get 160, i had a 03 slick top, w/ only 20k on it, 135 down hill, with a tail wind.

[lgbr]

where the crap did you get that at??

what is IIRC?
If I remember correctly, meaning this probably isn't correct, in fact it's hearsay so I shouldn't have mentioned it. But we could always do some quick googling...

What seems to be the consensus is:
The CVPIs with 3.55 gears will be top speed-limited to 119 mph, while the 3.27 geared CVPIs are limited to 129 mph. ( From http://www.swps.com/05-ford-cvpi.html )

I keep all my racing on the track and can easily reach 140 mph, but let's compare the CVPI (3.55 axle ratio) specs to a few others. For this example, we'll use my MR2 Turbocharged, and the car that I hear about speeding the most, a 300ZX. Keep in mind these are cars an 18 year old can easily afford.

CVPI MR2 300ZX
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0-60: 8.15 6.2 7.1
1/4 Mile: 16.3 14.8 15.5
Top Speed: 119 145 155
Yadda yadda yadda. I'm not trying to prove that my car is faster, but seeing as you can't catch up to these cars, what would you do? Just let him go?

It seems you don't even have a chance of getting a license plate. The popular phrase "you can't outrun the radio" certainly does apply here, but would something like that really warrant a road block, helicopter, spike strips, high speed interceptor (do your departments even have these?)?

I don't mean to call anyone out, I've just always been really interested in LE.

[lazycop]

If we are playing pretend police world.

I get him with the laser about a mile away, hop out of my car with the shotgun, as he passes I shoot out his tires, and his car flips movie style. As he crawls out of the vehicle with only a scratch I cuff him, we walk away, and the car explodes.

Yeah that

[lgbr]

If we are playing pretend police world.
What would make you think this is pretend? This actually does happen.

[acreature]

[QUOTE=lazycop]If we are playing pretend police world.

I get him with the laser about a mile away, hop out of my car with the shotgun, as he passes I shoot out his tires, and his car flips movie style. As he crawls out of the vehicle with only a scratch I cuff him, we walk away, and the car explodes.

Yeah that

[gotthblues]

you said the crown vic can go 160 or so, right, were did that come from. i have never seen nor heard of a cv that will do that, or did you just misstype something,

[gotthblues]

I just throw the Sticky Icky Electromagnetic Car Computer Disabler Gum.... after properly chewed of course. Let the Sticky Icky Electromagnetic Car Computer Disabler Gum disable the electronics of the car (after tossing it against the sheet metal as it passed)... then walk up and arrest the fool... then, not advise Miranda.

BTW, my Trep hasn't lost one yet, and tops out faster than I need.
i had the clamp on my front bumper, i just push the button, when i get close, then put on the brakes,,, GETS EM EVERY TIME.

[acreature]

i had the clamp on my front bumper, i just push the button, when i get close, then put on the brakes,,, GETS EM EVERY TIME.
Now see that! They wont get us those, no matter how many movies I show them! :D

[gotthblues]

Now see that! They wont get us those, no matter how many movies I show them! :D
well it was either that, or that little rocket thingy that you shot out from under your car at 500mph and it ZAPS the cars computer :D

[acreature]

Lately, I have been becoming quite proficient at the Telekinesis Choke-out ;)

[gotthblues]

Lately, I have been becoming quite proficient at the Telekinesis Choke-out ;)
you just started doing that,, wait, you do have your mirrored sunglasses too right,

i installed a couple of 18 woofers in the trunk, that way i could utilize the sub sonic bass waves to gain compliance, course i ran into problems when i used the old NWA cd,

[acreature]

The secret to any enforcement... is the Hat! :ccol:

[gotthblues]

The secret to any enforcement... is the Hat! :ccol:
true that, as long as it isnt the bus driver hat, some might make fun of the smokey hat, but at least i could use mine as a weapon.

[acreature]

Bus Driver, Milkman, Mail Man, Cabbie... hell no!

Campaign all the way. It actually keeps the rain off of you ;)

[gotthblues]

Bus Driver, Milkman, Mail Man, Cabbie... hell no!

Campaign all the way. It actually keeps the rain off of you ;)
no kidding, untill you get back in your car to write down the drivers info, then it all runs down on your accident report,,,damn i hated that,

i would think the bus hats would hold rain.

[Charlie31]

all of the sudden, a car goes flying by. You get him on the laser as going 140 MPH.

Do you even pursue him?

Nope, wave as he drives by and wait for the possible traffic accident call that comes out down the road...

[Bigg Dogg]

Probally nothing better to do so I would give it a shot on catching him.If I catch him,depending on his attitude,either a HUGH stack of tickets or some iron braceletts.

[Pedro56]

Tickets would be issued, and the vehicle would be impounded. Reckless driving here is a Class A Misdemeanor and the driver would be arrested.

[Pedro56]

Granted there is no express in any of our expressways due to the fact that for some reason they like to torture us and tear everyone of them up every year for something else.

[hemicop]

Persue? No!. Radio ahead for other units? Why not? Call for an Air Unit? Sure! Chances are the car can't/won't maintain that kind of speed so he MAY get caught. Spike strips? That's a suprvisors call & I can tell you out here that would only happen if it was a loooooong deserted road & he was wanted for something besides speeding. Modern & many older performance cars can easily outrun todays police cars & with todays "no pursuit" attitude police are at a big disadvantage :(

[APDSgt]

IF I catch the driver he is going to jail.

On a straight road without any obstacles, you are correct that the cars listed would outrun our police cars. However, you neglect the use of radio, helicopters, how many police cars will come out of the woodwork looking to get involved, and that local roads and highways will not support the kinds of speeds you are talking about without a traffic crash.

[tbear853]

IGBR ..... :rolleyes:


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:cool: ...... any more questions? :p

[purdinpopo]

One night (2am Monday going into Tuesday, no troopers on they just went off duty) dispatch calls me and advises that they have given my cell number to a deputy from the County Just North of us, and that I will get a phone call.

Deputy advises that he is out of uniform and in his pov, has a Toyota Supra running 80 that left a drug house he had been sitting on, and that it is approaching my City. I get the info as well as the plate, and I park on the On-ramp to the Highway. I advise dispatch of the plate, they advise me that the plate has a warrant associated with it for the owner, felony for fraud or something.

Here I sit in the 1996 Caprice with the LT-1. ZIP! there goes the Supra I check him at 79 in a 65, I drop it in drive, I accelerate, I do not floor it as I would have left about $10.00 of Goodyear rubber on the on-ramp. When I hit the Highway, I flip on the overheads (A Streethawk larger than my apartment) I am running 90 and the Supra is pulling away, I advise dispatch that I am in pursuit. I top the Chevy out at 134 there is no traffic on a four-lane divided highway. The Supra is still pulling away, I am just getting ready to admit defeat, the Supra turns around (paved turn-around) and goes north, I cut the median and get right behind him, (I got to confirm the plate) then he takes another turn-around) goes south and he turns the lights off. I stop, turn off the overheads, and advise that I am out of this one.

The County South of me catches him, they ran a rolling road block on him before they even touched the overheads. We had even called the PD where this guy lived and they were waiting in his drivway.

Now the point is you can outrun an individual police Officer,(through a faster car, and suicidal tactics) but once we are looking for you, specifically you and we have a good idea where you are, we are going to get you.

[lgbr]

Thanks to those of you who provided good answers. This clears a lot of things up.

Excellent story, purdinpopo. But had he not been a felon, i suspect there would have been no road block.

[purdinpopo]

I expect they would have regardless, Lincoln County had a bad experience, with a group of teens from Wisconsin in a stolen vehicle a while before this, they rammed some Lincoln Units traveled completely North to south into St. Charles County, turned around and traveled all the way back South to North back into Pike County, The Sheriff of Pike County Finally rammed them off the road into a Backhoe, in the North end of Pike, and Lincoln kind of developed a simmering hatred of runners from the event.

I do not know what the attitude is now, as that was two sheriffs ago, but back then if they did not have other fish to fry they would be all over it.

[Trooper3882]

Citations and a free ride to the pokey :D Reckless driving , reckless endangering....