Is this a Civil Rights violation?

[Serpico]

Here's some background. I work in loss prevention and I always have a bag which has my paperwork, vitamins, etc in it in my CCTV office.

Today toward the end of my shift, the store manager tells me he needs to use the cameras. I leave the office and go on the floor to conduct surveillance. I come back 20 minutes later and I have always made it habit to review the tape (there's a camera in the CCTV office) to see what was done. I observed the store manager go through my bag. There was no probable cause...He didn't ask for my permission.. I wasn't present for the search... They didnt even tell me they went through my bag. It's odd, because if I conduct a search on a customer or an employee like he did, I'd be terminated and potentially hit with a lawsuit. Please note, I never signed anything when i was hired that waived my right to protest a search of my property or person by store employees.

What does everyone think? Was this a violation?

[scooterlee]

Did you ask him why he looked thru your bag?

[Serpico]

Did you ask him why he looked thru your bag?

He couldn't be found after that, I'm guessing he went on break. My shift was over and we're not authorized OT unless we get permission from the store managers, so I had to leave.

What's really off is this guy isn't even technically my boss. His company is a client of my company.

[scooterlee]

I'd get ahold of him and ask him what he was looking for? Sounds like he was just being nosey!!

[Serpico]

I'd get ahold of him and ask him what he was looking for? Sounds like he was just being nosey!!


I'm sure he was. Doesn't make it alright. He could've put contraband in there. My wallet was in the bag. Only 3 people in my company know my real identity and my address. Nobody in our client's company is to have access to that information.

I can't detain and search a customer or an employee's bag just because I'm nosey, I need to have probable cause. I also can't do it without them being present. Aren't there Federal laws that require a court order to search one's property without them being present? If I'm a liability and have to follow the laws in regard to a search, why shouldn't he?

See what I'm getting at?

[djack16]

I would probably talk directly to him and send him the message that he better not ever go rummaging through my personal belongings ever again.

A better idea might be to find a superior to that store manager and lodge a formal complaint. He has no right to violate your privacy like that and it's just bad behavior.

[djack16]

The manager asked him to leave his office, where is bag apparently was. Serpico gets back to his office and discovers that the manager was going through his bag.

It's fishy enough to be getting answers. Civil rights violation? No hehe. Probable cause? DUI is right, you're not a sworn officer if you are doing asset protection.

[Bighead]

Civil rights violation under US1983 (the way I understand it) has to be based on race, sex, etc and by and agent of the government under the color of authority.

From what I read, you don't have any of these. If you wanna keep something private, then keep it private.

Please don't perpetuate civil rights victimization just because someone you work with is a snoop.

If you can get away with bracing this guy over it and not lose your job I would do that, otherwise I would make complaint through channels.

[Serpico]

Civil rights violation under US1983 (the way I understand it) has to be based on race, sex, etc and by and agent of the government under the color of authority.

From what I read, you don't have any of these. If you wanna keep something private, then keep it private.

Please don't perpetuate civil rights victimization just because someone you work with is a snoop.

If you can get away with bracing this guy over it and not lose your job I would do that, otherwise I would make complaint through channels.

All due respect, I didn't perpetuate anything. I asked a simple question.

DUI Eliminator..What does being a sworn officer have to do with knowing the defination of probable cause? I'm not trying to be a *****, just curious why you'd think that only a sworn officer would know about it.

Also note, my office is the size of a phone booth and I'm the only one in it. There's no confusion as to who the bag belonged to. Also, if it's not a good idea to keep my bag with all my work materials in my office....where would be a good place to put it?

I appreciate everyone's comments, though, I should've known not to come here for questions regarding this.

[6233108]

All due respect, I didn't perpetuate anything. I asked a simple question.

DUI Eliminator..What does being a sworn officer have to do with knowing the defination of probable cause? I'm not trying to be a *****, just curious why you'd think that only a sworn officer would know about it.

Also note, my office is the size of a phone booth and I'm the only one in it. There's no confusion as to who the bag belonged to. Also, if it's not a good idea to keep my bag with all my work materials in my office....where would be a good place to put it?

I appreciate everyone's comments, though, I should've known not to come here for questions regarding this.


Bighead is 100% correct

[scooterlee]

I see what your getting at, but I don't feel you have a Civil Rights violation. I think the best thing for you to do is confront him and see what he has to say.

Good Luck~

[savage4presiden]

Get a lock.

[ftlaudcop]

this is a no brainer...


was a crime committed ????

was it a civil tort....???


call the police...


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[Serpico]

this is a no brainer...


was a crime committed ????

was it a civil tort....???


call the police...


www.schackdaddy.com

Why you gotta break balls? ;)

[Mitchell_in_CT]

If I understand this situation correctly, the manager who went through your bag is not a government actor.

Your right to be free from unreasonable (warrantless search and seizure) stems from the 4th ammendment to the federal constitution of the United States of America as made applicable to the states (and therefore, state government actors like local and state police) by the 14th ammendment to the federal constitution of the United States.

The constitution restricts government action, or action taken at the behest of the government, and only that.

State constitutions also contain many similar provisions to the 4th ammendment, and they are sometimes more expansive than the federal minimum standard.

If a police officer, demands to goes through your bag and search without probable cause or a warrant, anything they find will generaly be held inadmissable in a criminal trial under the exclusionary rule.

If I do it, as a private citizen and not as or at the behest of a police officer or other government agent, then:

#1 I'm a nosey shmuck for going through your stuff when I don't have your permission to do so.

#2 Possibly committing a tort, meaning a civil wrong for which their is redress available from a court.

#3 As a private citizen, I have not violated your civil rights, because the source of those rights, the constitution, federal or state, protects you from a government actor intruding into your person, home, articles and effects without probable cause...not your shmuck of a boss who needs to have a boondocker up his ***.

If he is not a government actor, then no action for civil rights.

Just because the store has policies that mirror law enforcement's standards of probable cause, doesn't mean they are bound by them.

They use those standards as a yard stick of what is reasonable action and for when to take that action, but as they are not government actors, the rules change significantly.

As to what do I think...get a copy of the tape if you don't have one, then go talk to a lawyer.

[ftlaudcop]

thanks " perry mason"....

glad you got out yr cliff notes and informed us.....


if the " actor" was like tommy lee jones / u.s. marshal...... :eek:

we would have to submitt....!!!!!!


if the " actor" was like secret agent 86 / maxwell smart ,

we'd have to use the ' cone of silence' for legal stratagy.... :p


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[Mitchell_in_CT]

thanks " perry mason"....

glad you got out yr cliff notes and informed us.....

if the " actor" was like tommy lee jones / u.s. marshal...... :eek:

we would have to submitt....!!!!!!

if the " actor" was like secret agent 86 / maxwell smart ,

we'd have to use the ' cone of silence' for legal stratagy.... :p

www.schackdaddy.com

Hey...I did that without notes. If I was using notes, I would have cited cases :)

And as for Perry Mason...I write my own material. ;)

[ftlaudcop]

better yet , get fox mulder, dana scully and carl kolchak to

investigate this case.....!!!!//// :D



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[tony.o]

Get even. Rig up a mouse trap in your bag for wandering fingers. :D

[Wise]

Get even. Rig up a mouse trap in your bag for wandering fingers. :D
Good idea,and hear him yell out all over the place when the trap click :D

[Serpico]

Get even. Rig up a mouse trap in your bag for wandering fingers. :D

I think I may do that ;)

[savage4presiden]

Get even. Rig up a mouse trap in your bag for wandering fingers. :D

With todays court system the nosey sup. would probably counter-sue for adverse phsychological impact, mental anguish, and the physiological damage caused by having his thumb cut off in a mouse trap. He would probably win too.

[Bowles]

better yet , get fox mulder, dana scully and carl kolchak



11. Thou shalt not use the name of Carl Kolchak in vain!

[Medea]

Get even. Rig up a mouse trap in your bag for wandering fingers. :DGo Bigger use a Rat Trap,Then the Screams will be Heard :D

[jerrymaccauley]

Guy was probably looking for a sammich...

[premium]

Privacy cases can be muddy but in most instances if it is your property employers can not go through it unless you had previously signed a waiver. Now if your bag is owned by the company then you don