do you think all police should work jails first?

[glock26rocs]

theres a lot of police officers who dont know how to talk to people and i think if they where in a situation where they needed to get 60 crooks to follow orders and they talked that crap and got knocked out,,,they might change their approach to people.All im saying is that there is a way to talk to people.

i mean theres times when i get to cursing and it works as long as you dont show the fear of 60 crooks around you..sometimes you take a chance in talking ****,,,but you cant be scared.

as far as being an officer on the street,,,all civilians arent bad and all civilians arent civilians,,,,,so i think police officers should know how to talk to people.

ive seen female cos run a cell block better than any males,,,,,,the job is mental more than physical.

so the question is,,,,,,,,do you think all police should work jails first?

i say yes

[Pedro56]

I say no, 95% of the jail guards I know would have no business on the street whatsoever. I don't know how it is out by you but here most of the deputy sheriffs cause more problems than they are worth.

[Bowles]

I don't think it would be a bad idea to allow (new) police officers to spend some time working the jail. Mainly because new officers will have the opportunity to learn many of the BS stories they will encounter on the streets.

[That Guy]

I don't think it would be a bad idea to allow (new) police officers to spend some time working the jail. Mainly because new officers will have the opportunity to learn many of the BS stories they will encounter on the streets.

I agree. I hear lots of stories from both ends. I see no reason unless they need the bodies. In referance to the communication skills we have ours, you have your's.
When I started the jailers used to **** me off because I'd bring in total ********* and the jailers would pretty much kiss thier *** and tell them the bad man who brought you in will leave soon. After time I understand.
Inside the "block" I see who you need to pussy-foot around with them since they out number you, on the street we out number them.

TGY

[Freakapino]

I say no....there are plenty of ways to learn communication skills besides working in a jail. I worked in the largest jail in this region for a couple of years before working the streets and it was great experience but there are other ways to learn how to deal with people.


I definitely agree with you. You don't have to work as a CO to learn all the BS, you'll get plenty of that on the street. However, that depends on the kind of town or city you work at. As for me, I work in the city where you get to deal with a lot of sh*tbags and BGs, and they'll give all the colorful BS and stories - not just that even regular civilians will tell you BS. So, it all depends on the person, on how (s)he deals with the BS and learn to pay attention on what people are saying, and how (s)he analyze and reacts to it.

Actually, in my honest opinion, the street environment is better to learn communications compare to jail, since you get to deal more with a variety of people - from little kids to teens, and adults of different of background, culture, and language. Now, talking about communication - that's a challenge - you know what to expect if you're in the jail, the kind of people you have to deal with. But in the street, you have to be more like a chameleon - be able to adapt to your surroundings and its people, because it changes constantly.

Whether you work on the street or in the jail, it doesn't matter, it all depends on the individual on dealing with people.

[Bodie]

You learn a lot. I think in a prison rather then jail where you are in among the inmates and have to earn respect and learn how to treat people.

[BillP]

I agree. I hear lots of stories from both ends. I see no reason unless they need the bodies. In referance to the communication skills we have ours, you have your's.
When I started the jailers used to **** me off because I'd bring in total ********* and the jailers would pretty much kiss thier *** and tell them the bad man who brought you in will leave soon. After time I understand.
Inside the "block" I see who you need to pussy-foot around with them since they out number you, on the street we out number them.

TGY

Your statement above is a prime reason why I think any street cop should have to work inside a state or county institution for at least 90 days, perferably in a maximum level setting.

How many felons do you, on average, come in contact with on a daily basis?

Try anywhere from 200 to 2500.

Behind the fences, the population is entirely comprised of convicted felons.

Different world from dealing with a population that is, vastly law abiding and not requiring any intervention by LEO.

Only advantage we have over any LEO on the street is that we know what we are dealing with on a daily basis.

Corrections Officers manage, by and large without any weapons aside from perhaps OC if they are lucky, to control what are basically self-contained cities with, unlike outside the fences, a totally criminal population and those Corrections Officers manage to do so on a daily basis without major incident.

And in this day of diminishing staffing it is being accomplished on a daily basis by a group that generally knows that if the doo hits the fan your hanging by yourself for a while.

I have the utmost respect for what LEO's on the street do, go through and deal with when it comes to their career. I have 2 friends who are PA State Troopers and another who is a local Township LEO. I know what they do, and what their day, for the most part consists of. They also know what I do, and what my day, for the most part, consists of.

Please do not try and minimize what a CO does, or paint it as we have to "pussy-foot around because we are outnumbered". If that were remotely true then what control is exercised on a daily basis inside the fence would simply not exist.

[That Guy]

Please do not try and minimize what a CO does, or paint it as we have to "pussy-foot around because we are outnumbered". If that were remotely true then what control is exercised on a daily basis inside the fence would simply not exist.

Didn't mean to offend anyone, trust me I wouldn't want your job. But on the same side you are out numbered inside. Many people I bring know the rules "inside" and are living out thier fantasies. They don't midn the COs. They don't care for us because we caught them and brought them there.

In the same breath qoutes like this:
theres a lot of police officers who dont know how to talk to people and i think if they where in a situation where they needed to get 60 crooks to follow orders and they talked that crap and got knocked out,,,they might change their approach to people.

Get a reaction like mine.

TGY

[Graydog]

I agree with most of the above. Working inside can certainly be an education for a new guy or gal......It's definately not for everybody though.
I think it should be a requirment for 90 days or so.
One thing to remember if working inside a jail or prison, you usually have barrier between you and them, but not always. Bottom line is, don't let your mouth overload your brain, epecially in a county jail. You just may see them on the street later, or worse yet, their friends with them in a car load you have stop. Ca. as some states now has a 3-strike law, and alot of these clowns you'll be stopping have nothing to lose if they take you out. The Don't want to go back inside.

Graydog

[Bowles]

Seems like a disagreement is erupting on this thread over who has the most dangerous job. The short answer is they are both dangerous. I've done 'em both so I'm not just talking out my *****. As for cops working inside a prison or county jail for a while, like I said above I can't see it being a bad thing. I wouldn't require it of them, but if they wanted and I were ruling the world I wouldn't object too it. My reason is that IMO the (new) officer would benefit from the exposure to these dirt bags. Likewise the CO could benefit from a few ride a longs as well.

[ftlaudcop]

I have to agree both sides..get the respect they deserve,

my agency has 1200 or so road patrol
1200 assigned to jail

I'd have to say 65 % went thru our jail system 1st,
and turned out career wise 10 star rated cop's

the local agencies, who hired our jail deputies after the 2 yr
" we promise you, do 2 yrs in the jail and you can go to the road"
those guys are doing great as well.

I can only speak for my agency , where it has worked well.......
different area's of the county are affected by, the demograpghics, economies
etc....nowadays, all l.e.o. agency's have a difficult task on hand.

they have inevnted course's on how to effectively recruit, and motivate
the gen x crowd, "fast and furious" cop's....

yr gonna get a rude awakening for sure if you start out in corrections,
put on yr boxing gloves or put on yr panty hose.


www.schackdaddy.com

[EMTFirefighter]

No way. Corrections is a completely different job than law enforcement. If you want to be a jailer, be one. If you want to be a cop, be one. It's like asking if you should work at McDonald's first before working at WAL-MART.

[brit girlie]

I say NO - the 2 jobs are very different but the skills needed are similar.
I'm sure if coppers wanted to work in prisons they would have done that instead, I have no doubt they would make a good job of it.....I don't fancy a Job swap.......too much running around ;) at least my cons are in 1 place!!!

[Photogrrlz]

I thought it was a good learning experience when I worked in the jail before getting out on the road and in the courts. I got to learn who I would be dealing with on the streets.

[DaveNT]

I spent 12 months working in a large max/Security gaol whilst waiting for a position in the police. I thought it was a great leaning experience listening to all the tricks the cons try and pull on police. I think it gave me a little edge over some of my friends when I first when out on the road.

[paturnkey]

No way. Corrections is a completely different job than law enforcement. If you want to be a jailer, be one. If you want to be a cop, be one. It's like asking if you should work at McDonald's first before working at WAL-MART.

EMTFirefighter: What do you know about Corrections/Law Enforcement your a Police Dispatcher not a Cop or a C.O. In Corrections we Enforce the Laws of our State and the Rules of the Institution where we Patrol. We don't just stand there.We Patrol small citys that are Fenced/Walled that everone who lives in this city is a Covicted Felon.You know the one the Real Police try to catch after they commit a crime. We do the same Inside too. We investigate Crimes inside such as assaults sexual/phys,theft,and yes murder. Now we don't Press the formal state charges the State Police does that. We do Press the Institutional charges and yes they serve time for those too. I hope your impression of Corrections and Correctional Officers are not from Tv and the Movies which I have never seen to have shown what we do or what we go thru everyday we walk our Beat. Yes everyone of our Officers is a first Responder trained in basic first aid and Self Defence and our "Dispatchers" in Central Control are regular C.O.'s and respond when not in Contol. "C.Os Patrol the Toughest Beat in the world."

[Jabrim]

No way. Corrections is a completely different job than law enforcement. If you want to be a jailer, be one. If you want to be a cop, be one. It's like asking if you should work at McDonald's first before working at WAL-MART.

Ignorant response in my opinion, the two job fields are not completely different at all.

[Bowles]

No way. Corrections is a completely different job than law enforcement. If you want to be a jailer, be one. If you want to be a cop, be one. It's like asking if you should work at McDonald's first before working at WAL-MART.


This is a cut and past job of a response I gave to another post along these lines:

Most people, including many police officers have no idea what our job is. As a former police officer myself I can say the jobs are more similar than most people would expect.
My jurisdiction, instead of ending at the city limit, or county line ends at a chain link fence covered in razor wire and everyone who lives there is a criminal.
When I'm on duty I respond to emergencies, investigate crimes and make arrests.
Everyone accepts the fact that there are crimes committed behind bars, but when was the last time a police officer responded to a prison? Usually when there is a riot, the state police are called in as back up. During more serious criminal investigations (murder/death of inmate) the SBI handles that investigation.
But that is about it. So next time someone tells you, Correctional Officers aren't law enforcement remember, all they think they know of your job is what they've seen on TV.

[paturnkey]

This is a cut and past job of a response I gave to another post along these lines:


Sorry Bowles wasn't trying to steal your statements even though they are close......I can't stand ignorance of a closed mind from someone who has no Idea what really goes on in our world and just listens to what they learn on T.V......and this coming from who must believe everything the perps are telling them.....just a thought

[Bowles]

Sorry Bowles wasn't trying to steal your statements even though they are close.

Thought never entered my mind, just wanted to add my two cents.

[keith758]

Personally, the best cops on our department are those that worked in the jail first. They learned how to really talk with people on something other than an authoritarian level.

[EMTFirefighter]

Ignorant response in my opinion, the two job fields are not completely different at all.
Yeah, I guess you're right. Cops and COs both wear uniforms and deal with ****bags. That's about the extent of the similarities.

[keith758]

I guess as someone that has worked in State prisons as a C.O., county jails as a C.O., and the road as an officer, there are a lot more similarities than some "experts" on this board would care to recognize. Both jobs not only put you in direct contact with societies rejects, but both jobs also cause you to think critically about the best way to handle a situation. In both you are given laws and rules that you must enforce, either to the letter of the law or to the intent of the law. In both you have to be aware of your surroundings to survive.In both, you are doing a job that most of society really has no clue about. It's a lot more than the " same uniforms and dealing with ****bags," as some "experts" would maintain.

[ftlaudcop]

I haven't seen to many mcdonalds hamburger flippers who turned street
cop have much street sense, yes their are exceptions.
if the retirement time could be bought city to county , the valuable people skills that you learn , you could not put a price on.

I work with 25 yr vet, and plenty of them still don't know their
***** from a hole in the ground...

some of the new hires are focussed, a lot are not....
they get a baptism under fire and their rear ends kicked
learning the mean ways of the street, where the guy who worked
inside for a few yrs....knows who can write a check with money in bank,
or mean mugging ya selling wolf tickets.


www.schackdaddy.com

[Crex4242]

theres a lot of police officers who dont know how to talk to people and i think if they where in a situation where they needed to get 60 crooks to follow orders and they talked that crap and got knocked out,,,they might change their approach to people.All im saying is that there is a way to talk to people.

i mean theres times when i get to cursing and it works as long as you dont show the fear of 60 crooks around you..sometimes you take a chance in talking ****,,,but you cant be scared.

as far as being an officer on the street,,,all civilians arent bad and all civilians arent civilians,,,,,so i think police officers should know how to talk to people.

ive seen female cos run a cell block better than any males,,,,,,the job is mental more than physical.

so the question is,,,,,,,,do you think all police should work jails first?

i say yes



Sry buddy, If I wanted to be a CO, then I would have applied at the jail or the prisions.I like being on patrol and lets try to leave that decision up to the officers not the department.

[paturnkey]

Sry buddy, If I wanted to be a CO, then I would have applied at the jail or the prisions.I like being on patrol and lets try to leave that decision up to the officers not the department.


I believe the decision is from the officers not the depts here.....I haven't seen one post from any dept at all here just us officers......

[ScottFree94]

hell no, police shouldn't work as guards first

[BillP]

hell no, police shouldn't work as guards first

Guards? Who said anything about working as guards?

Guards work in warehouses watching items on shelves, or watch crosswalks.

Corrections Officers deal on a daily basis with those individuals that society has deemed unable to, for whatever reason or period of time, live among the general populace.

[ScottFree94]

Don't know where you come from, Sport, but there's no such thing as a 'Correctional Officer' in Rhode Island, just a bunch of Neanderthals who know their climb on the career ladder stopped on the second rung, just above the director they work for
...walking the toughest beat in the state, my ***

[paturnkey]

Don't know where you come from, Sport, but there's no such thing as a 'Correctional Officer' in Rhode Island, just a bunch of Neanderthals who know their climb on the career ladder stopped on the second rung, just above the director they work for
...walking the toughest beat in the state, my ***


Just because your afraid to walk were we walk without your gun, don't think we are Neanderthals buddy. Most of us have at least some College if not a Degree. Hey guess what I have been to most of the same courses you have too Detective. I do Interviews and Investigations inside just like you do on the outside I just don't wear a gold badge. I keep up with our Security Threat Groups you call them "street gangs" We Investigate crimes too. Just like you do. We just don't show up in a shiny car with a light we walk or run. Now if you have a Hard on for "Corrections Officers" then stay outa the Big House!! I don't go in your forums and talk crap on Cops don't come here and Bash C.O's brother. We all deal with the same scum only we don't turn ours over to someone else to deal with after playing Taxi Service.

[ScottFree94]

How many times did you grunt while typing that?

[BillP]

Don't know where you come from, Sport, but there's no such thing as a 'Correctional Officer' in Rhode Island, just a bunch of Neanderthals who know their climb on the career ladder stopped on the second rung, just above the director they work for
...walking the toughest beat in the state, my ***

When one makes such obviously kindergarten level comments as you have here, it really is clear that you have no idea what anyone in Corrections does, and have a uufilled need to make yourself feel superior by running down others.

This is even more compounded by the very real fact that you obviously could never deal with the postion, as you display a total lack of professionalism.

Just for kicks you should try a dose of reality once in awhile.

But thanks for your input, Sport.

[bigmike]

When I was trying to become a cop, some 5+ years ago, I asked a guy I knew, who was a sgt, with a local PD what he thought about those that work in jails and then try to go "out on the road." He told me he thought it could be a great place to start, if you make the most of it. Mostly because officer who come out of the jails might should know how to talk to and identify those you might be dealing with on the street.

I am lucky that I live in a state that has a very structured academy for Corrections, and the requirement that we must pass with aren't that different than our brothers/sisters on the street. I feel bad for those of you who don't get that kind of training. I feel it is a real disservice to you.

Now that I am with a department in an area I want to raise my family, I hope to go out on the road, but for now I am just fine in the jail, and the "bosses" do a great job of trying to keep unity. Sadly my former agency didn't do such a good job at that.

Sorry for the novel :)

[BillP]

Just because your afraid to walk were we walk without your gun, don't think we are Neanderthals buddy. Most of us have at least some College if not a Degree. Hey guess what I have been to most of the same courses you have too Detective. I do Interviews and Investigations inside just like you do on the outside I just don't wear a gold badge. I keep up with our Security Threat Groups you call them "street gangs" We Investigate crimes too. Just like you do. We just don't show up in a shiny car with a light we walk or run. Now if you have a Hard on for "Corrections Officers" then stay outa the Big House!! I don't go in your forums and talk crap on Cops don't come here and Bash C.O's brother. We all deal with the same scum only we don't turn ours over to someone else to deal with after playing Taxi Service.

Save the effort Brother. The attitude displayed merely shows the total lack of professionalism this individual possesses. I have several friends who are LEO's and thankfully none of them display an attitude like this one does.

Usually when somone puffs up like this, and feels the need to run others down, it is an indication they lack something known as self-respect. Nothing you, or I, can do about it except point out the obvious lack of reality he lives with.

[BillP]

Just because your afraid to walk were we walk without your gun, don't think we are Neanderthals buddy. Most of us have at least some College if not a Degree. Hey guess what I have been to most of the same courses you have too Detective. I do Interviews and Investigations inside just like you do on the outside I just don't wear a gold badge. I keep up with our Security Threat Groups you call them "street gangs" We Investigate crimes too. Just like you do. We just don't show up in a shiny car with a light we walk or run. Now if you have a Hard on for "Corrections Officers" then stay outa the Big House!! I don't go in your forums and talk crap on Cops don't come here and Bash C.O's brother. We all deal with the same scum only we don't turn ours over to someone else to deal with after playing Taxi Service.

Take a look at his story. Explains why he has the attitude he does. Does not excuse it, just explains it.

Brother got what could best be described as railroaded, and still is.

[1426]

I do not beleive the disrespect was needed. Some of Us do take our Job serious and ARE productive citizens. Your comment was very rude and uncalled for. The posting was not made to "MAKE" officers work the jails. In my County, Deputies were the jailers for many years. Again... Plain RUDE!!

[That Guy]

He told me he thought it could be a great place to start, if you make the most of it. Mostly because officer who come out of the jails might should know how to talk to and identify those you might be dealing with on the street.

Well then police officers should start in: mental health wards, hospitals, ambulance services, marriage counseling, seminaries, driving instructors, parents, and corporate offices. These are all great places for officers to learn what they will need on the street.
Though I don

[bigmike]

[QUOTE=That Guy]Well then police officers should start in: mental health wards, hospitals, ambulance services, marriage counseling, seminaries, driving instructors, parents, and corporate offices. These are all great places for officers to learn what they will need on the street.
Though I don

[ScottFree94]

Guys
I apologize for yesterday's posts. There are some good COs, some guards, some good police officers, some bad cops, even a few good attorneys among the belly-dragging lawyers; I've experienced all sides of the judicial system - been back-stabbed by 'brother' officers and witnessed it done to my partners (one was diagnosed clinically depressed, they ordered him back to work, and he shot himself in the heart while on duty-just as he said he would-leaving a wife and 2 little boys (who, by the way, the Warwick, RI 'brotherhood' of police officers turned their backs on)). I've arrested guards and cops. I've been kneed in the balls by guards and spit in the face while cuffed. Yet one correctional officer actually quit his job in disgust when I was found guilty of a crime I did not commit. Yeah, I have an edge to me I only used to have when playing hockey; 6 1/2 years of a life sentence wrongfully imprisoned in protective custody, forced to exist with men I helped to get off the streets (incl. some of the worst child molesters in the country) can have that affect. One thing I can say about you guys is that you stick together. I wouldn't do your job for twice the money I was paid working on the streets.
Stay safe,
Scott

[1426]

Thank you for the apology

[paturnkey]

Guys
I apologize for yesterday's posts. There are some good COs, some guards, some good police officers, some bad cops, even a few good attorneys among the belly-dragging lawyers; I've experienced all sides of the judicial system - been back-stabbed by 'brother' officers and witnessed it done to my partners (one was diagnosed clinically depressed, they ordered him back to work, and he shot himself in the heart while on duty-just as he said he would-leaving a wife and 2 little boys (who, by the way, the Warwick, RI 'brotherhood' of police officers turned their backs on)). I've arrested guards and cops. I've been kneed in the balls by guards and spit in the face while cuffed. Yet one correctional officer actually quit his job in disgust when I was found guilty of a crime I did not commit. Yeah, I have an edge to me I only used to have when playing hockey; 6 1/2 years of a life sentence wrongfully imprisoned in protective custody, forced to exist with men I helped to get off the streets (incl. some of the worst child molesters in the country) can have that affect. One thing I can say about you guys is that you stick together. I wouldn't do your job for twice the money I was paid working on the streets.
Stay safe,
Scott


Scott we have that on both ends. We both have officers that have no bussiness doing what there doing. Now as being kneed in the balls and spit on I can not defend or comment on what went on. I can say is dirty cops and dirty C.O's are not welcomed with open arms on both sides in prison and some folks take it personally. Now I can see why you have a chip on your shoulder for C.O's. You must be looking at us through a Inmates eyes the one keeping you there. I do have a question are you back on the Job or are you still searching to find your self again.........

[paturnkey]

Scott I now understand where your coming from I just read your accout at www.truthinjustice.com I hope your family is still supporting you and I hope your Dept has welcomed you back and is treating you again as a brother and not a traitor......

[ScottFree94]

On November 04, 2002, I was visited by the RI State Police detective and the RI Asst. AG, and told that the one responsible for the murder (Vicky's boyfriend-a man who had never been questioned despite his name being in her Rolodex) had come forward after 13 years and confessed. I was told I would be habeased into court and released that day. Even then, they wanted me to admit to going to Vicky's apartment, seeing the murder scene and doing nothing about it. I told them if it meant I wouldn't go home that day, the next or the day after to tuck my sons into bed, then so be it; I wouldn't admit to something I didn't do-not in 1989,1992,1995, not ever. I was in for life. I went to court, but the judge didn't like the wording in the post conviction motion, and sent me back to prison. Inmates and officers alike were ****ed. One CO went and bought me Burger King and a Mt. Dew, my 1st soda in 6 1/2 years. A couple CO's came and apologized for the way they had treated me. Most of the guys at the prison treated me indifferently - no better/no worse - which is how I preferred it. Some treated me really well. Others didn't. The next day (a Tuesday) was election day and the courts were closed, so I returned on Wednesday, 11/06, and I was released.

I had been told that I shouldn't be surprised to see the mayor of Warwick and the chief at court, welcoming me back. Instead just one of my partners showed. But that was okay; it was my Mom, my new bride and other loved ones who kept me fighting. My mom had sold her home to pay lawyers and investigators...mine was taken long before that by the bank.

The mayor's position is this: When my appeal of the criminal conviction was denied by the RI Supreme Court in 2000, in the eyes of the law and despite my innocence, I was a convicted felon and properly terminated.

My FOP president vowed to stand beside me and provide the full support of the union, then disappeared.

With one of my Innocence Project attorneys as my civil attorney, on January 06, 2004, I was ordered reinstated by RI Superior Court Chief Justice Rodgers. The mayor of Warwick is appealing that ruling; the RI Supreme Court put a hold on my paychecks after 6 weeks, but ordered the hearing of oral arguments expedited (originally set for March, then May 11, then September 27, and again taken off the docket til who knows when)...
I've been looking for work for 3 years; managed to receive my emergency substitute teaching certificate (the pay is poor but I've had an impact on the students-positive, I think); I've enrolled in BU's Master's of Criminal Justice on-line program and am on my 6th of 9 courses, hoping it will help with the employment search. I have applied to hundreds of positions in RI, MA, CT, GA (my state of preference), NC, SC, and FL with no offers.

I am still pro law enforcement and I always will be, however, I am even more committed towards protecting the innocent. And I have had plenty of contact with the director of the RI prisons. He isn't interested in rehabilitation or reintegration, just confinement and control. We have 2.1 - 2.5 million people incarcerated in the U.S., and the way they are warehoused is making most worse than when they arrived there. Approximately 95% will see the streets again, and recidivism is at about 85%. There's got to be a better way. I had those guys as my neighbors once; without proper rehabilitation for those who are willing to put in the effort (of course some are career criminals and others belong in mental hospitals for the criminally insane or for other reasons), it's a vicious cycle of offender and victim, with no end in sight. Most guys in prison readily admitted they were guilty. Some said it was a momentary choice they wish they could take back, some were proud of their crimes, some maintained their innocence. With a ultra-conservative margin of error of just 1%, that equates to thousands of innocent people languishing in prison for another's crime.

If the Supreme Court sides with the mayor, I'll be applying to policemission.com, to go to Iraq and train their police cadets. Maybe it's my path to help bring our troops home sooner. It's in God's hands as usual.

Watch your backs, guys. There is a misperception that we stick beside one another no matter what. But no one likes a dirty cop/guard, Especially us. The media and jurors don't understand that some officers also see things differently - promotions and publicity. Jurors often must think: He's got to be guilty; they wouldn't go to all that trouble and arrest him if he wasn't. since they always cover for one another, he must be really bad. The media loves scandal and drama-especially in RI, sensationalism reigns. Unfortunately, our state police received promotions based on performance (arrest and convictions) rather than promotional exams. The Det. Lt. in my case was promoted to Det. Capt., and the Det. Cpl skipped Sgt and was promoted to Det Lt (a $40,000/year raise I'm told); neither were held accountable yet, nor were the cops on WPD who were involved, yet. I wasn't the only innocent police officer/correctional officer housed in the RI prison system, though there were also a few guilty ones.

I had a disc removed from my lower back in '90. I could have retired then with 66% tax free; I returned to work 6 weeks after surgery. 6 1/2 years on a metal bunk and thin mattress made it worse. Add the PTSD, and it isn't likely I'll be returning to Warwick P.D. Probably for the best. I hear it's even worse these days, with guys backstabbing for no reason at all. At least when I was there it was to further their career.

We'll be filing a civil suit in a couple of weeks for civil rights violations: threatening witnesses, fabrication of evidence, destruction of evidence, improper training and police procedure, et al - and we can back it all up. Still, getting past summary judgment isn't as easy as getting an indictment.

Every prosecutor, defense attorney, judge, police officer, correctional officer, probation officer and parole board member should have to spend one weekend in a prison mod. and treated like an inmate - strip searches, random cell trashings, peeing in a cup, visitors turned away, lines for the phone/and the subsequent phone bills, refiltered air, etc. - double bunked, of course.

[ftlaudcop]

man...I hope you get a winning lottery ticket,
or have a strak of good luck....

thanks for setting us st8 with the info

and the best of luck happen to you...!



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[Crex4242]

How many times did you grunt while typing that?



I really dont think that personal attacks are very professional. Correction officers put their lives on the line just like we do on the streets. I have a lot of friends that are CO and they are great people.

[ScottFree94]

i'd ask you to read my posts for the day, starting at about 7am

[pateshane]

Scott Free I understand your struggle I was wrongfuly terminated by a department ( Gwinett County S.O. ) . I was cleared and still terminated by them. Your situation is different from mine however , once a allegation has been made even if you prove it to be false it still haunts you. Your former agency should apologize to you but dont look for it mine were cowards and yours are probably to. Good luck with your job hunt, oh yeah back off with the comments about Corrections Officers they walk the toughest beat in the Country.

[ftlaudcop]

where is mr centurion with his delightful in-sight ?????





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[rosehall33]

where is mr centurion with his delightful in-sight ?????
flaudcop

It seems he has been chased out of Rome! :D

[StalkerCop]

Some cops dont know how to talk to people. But I know alot more COs who dont know how to talk to people and the only reason they dont get the crap kicked out of them is because the inmates know they will lose the fight when back up comes.

I worked for DOC for seven years before going to the streets. Four in a unit and three in investigations. In my experiance, Ive seen more street cops get assaulted then COs and it has nothing to do with the way the cop is talking.

Because most states have such a large prison system and usually have a large number of officers, they attract alot more duds then PDs do. So therefor you have a larger number of young COs who do not know how to talk to people and still have a lower assault rate.

I think street cops who were COs have a better chance at getting through FTO because they are used to dealing with crooks but I dont think being a CO makes you a better talker or cop.

[BillP]

Some cops dont know how to talk to people. But I know alot more COs who dont know how to talk to people and the only reason they dont get the crap kicked out of them is because the inmates know they will lose the fight when back up comes.

I worked for DOC for seven years before going to the streets. Four in a unit and three in investigations. In my experiance, Ive seen more street cops get assaulted then COs and it has nothing to do with the way the cop is talking.

Because most states have such a large prison system and usually have a large number of officers, they attract alot more duds then PDs do. So therefor you have a larger number of young COs who do not know how to talk to people and still have a lower assault rate.

I think street cops who were COs have a better chance at getting through FTO because they are used to dealing with crooks but I dont think being a CO makes you a better talker or cop.

Not sure where, or how long ago you worked inside, but where I work and pretty much everywhere others I have conversed with work, sufficent staff is non-existent. We recently had a female on a unit who had a convict assaulting her, and it took 9 minutes to get staff to her because of the short staffing patterns we work under. And that is, sadly, not the exception.

And as for assaults, an average of 88 Corrections Officers are assaulted each day in the United States. May not sound like a lot when you consider the number of facilities across the US, but that figures out to an average of 32,120 a year which one could hardly qualify as having a "lower assault rate".

[ftlaudcop]

for those that never worked inside, it may well take them a lotta longer
to learn the ways or get street smarts. they don't deal with
criminals 100% of their time, and may never see one except for
once a week when they hook a shoplifter, who was caught by thebag boys at the local super market.

in any event....the experience was great....
and my agency is proof that it works....


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[JLFINFAN]

Having worked behind the walls before hitting the streets, I can certainly vouch for those who say that understaffing is a huge issue. Several years ago, we were short about 40 officers at the medium security prison I worked at. So, to correct the problem, they cut 20 positions. Now we were only 20 COs down. Problem solved. :rolleyes:

But I got more stress from administration a lot of the time than I did the inmates.

Now that I work on the streets, I can't say that the stress is less or more. Just different.

[Bowles]

Having worked behind the walls before hitting the streets, I can certainly vouch for those who say that under staffing is a huge issue. Several years ago, we were short about 40 officers at the medium security prison I worked at. So, to correct the problem, they cut 20 positions. Now we were only 20 COs down. Problem solved. :rolleyes:


A perfect example of beauraucratic Bull****.

I bet it took a whole team of pencil neck geeks to come up with that one.

[cimcop1]

I think they should work the jails. Some agencies here require at least two years jail duty BEFORE they hit the streets. I agree! The more knowledge you have about the "enemy" the better equipted you are to deal with them. I've never heard a street cop regret his jail experience. In fact they admit it helped them on their daily duties. They recognize guys from the jail on the street which definately narrows down your guesswork at a crime scene. I could go on. But, I think jail experience is A PLUS, not a negative.

[Old Dog]

I have spent 18 years in patrol related areas of the LE career field. I have done my time in training and have taught detention academy D/T and Use of Force for several years.

Many of my students eventually wound up on patrol.

Not all made it.

Those who did make it were much better at communicating with the public than those of us who never worked in the "can".

In my humble opinion, there is a benefit to working D.O. or C.O..

To all of you who are working, have worked or plan on working in the jail or the prison, let me say this: You guys and gals have my respect, admiration and any/all professional courtesy that I'm at liberty to extend.

Hoo-ah! and be safe.

Old Dog

[redwood]

Seriously, there are many more similarities than just "badges and bad guys".

I suppose those that haven't worked inside the walls may not really know, so their opinion is worth very little since it's based on ignorance.

Having said that, I will say that it is a different job. And a good job. I've worked with some great people over the years. For some reason, the "CO's just wanna be cops" thing gets pretty overblown. In my agency, we CO's make quite a bit more than some local PD's. Those of you who think we all want to be like you might want to reassess. We all know "TV cop" and reality cop are two different things all together, and we all aren't really so enamored with either.

I think we can all acknowledge that the two jobs are both similar and dissimilar. But really, one is no better or more important than the other. :D