First day at the academy(8/29).

[VAsteve20]

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[PTI]

we were told to bring our PT gear so i hope we get to have some fun tomorrow!

I'm sure it will be a hoot!

[TeayotaSoupra]

Are you for real.....they are going to run your asses into the ground, then add in some push-ups and other misc tortures. I would hate to tell you about the rest. You will just have to experience it for yourself.
LOL!! First PT is probably just the normal testing. See where you stand..

but after that.. hahaha yea you will learn to HATE those two letters.


I only have 8 more PT days to go untill i'm done!!!!

[VAsteve20]

thread is cashed.

[PTI]

Hmmmmmm...and to think that was only the introduction to PT. The real fun and games have yet to begin :eek:

[VAsteve20]

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[pkagel]

What a load of S... I actually got kudos from the staff for mine and my class still used it to keep in touch since we are so spread out. In fact, one of the staff members copied all my notes so she can use them as handouts.

For those who haven't seen my mirror site of our class web site (I took out all our personal info to protect the guilty, LOL) here it is. The staff loved it. I even kept a list of quotes of the funny things the staff said while we were getting screamed at and such and presented copies of them to the staff after I graduated. Yea, a bit ballsy but they got a good laugh out of reading some of the stuff (of course that is not on the mirror site.)

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CABasicPolice/

Well under direct orders from sgt H. i had to pull the forum down....

[chespd2be]

Well under direct orders from sgt H. i had to pull the forum down...
as for today at the academy... all i can say is: WOW!!!!!
so many out of shape people couldnt hang at all with the PT. today was our first day of PT.absolutly brutal for some... i have to be honest... my face became numb during our pushups session, and i can do 70 good form push ups.

Steve,
I figured. I sent you a message from the site yesterday and said you better double check with the Academy Staff.

Just remember, yesterday was the only easy day!

[VAsteve20]

Steve,
I figured. I sent you a message from the site yesterday and said you better double check with the Academy Staff.

Just remember, yesterday was the only easy day!
thats the truth for sure! man im hurt'n.

[chespd2be]

thats the truth for sure! man im hurt'n.

how many quit?

remembered how many times you questioned me on the number of pushups we do?????? TOLD YA!

[chespd2be]

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[VAsteve20]

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[metstones]

5 weeks into the Norfolk academy and we had our first person quit today. Started with 33 down to 32.

[VAsteve20]

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[chespd2be]

well Ches and Mets...
we have had 3 people quit, about to be a 4th or 5th as well very soon... surprisingly we got all of our PT stuff done today with only one small incident... some of the candidates cannot run!!! or jog for that matter... we are doing all that we can to motivate, but they didnt prepare for the academy. shame on not only them, but all of us. because we all pay hard for one persons screw up... hell one of the marines in the class compares it to marine corp boot... :cool:
but im loving the PT ;)
its the best part of my day... we have had PT everyday but day 1 and day 2, its great...

That's what ****es me off. We need bodies and we only start with 100....what the hell do I know, however??????

We need to figure out how to expand our applicant pool.

4 or 5 wont be the last....

BTW: I'm starting to hear the rumors!!! You guys better buck up!

[mtnbkrpnk]

What is your daily schedule like?

[VAsteve20]

cash this thread out

[WCJC 30339]

Halfway thru our academy- three left for personal reasons; one was eliminated because of academics. Its my understanding that unless you are in just totally awful physical shape, you wont get removed from our academy for PT performance, or lackthereof. As long as you give 110%(and the instructors seem to know if you are or not), you will be safe. At least thats how I heard it is....DT in two weeks for me- yee haw !!!

[VAsteve20]

im just happy i only have 24 weeks to go lol... haha

[chespd2be]

in all honesty...
its hard to explain the day to day schedule...
basically class room fun all day, then we break for PT at about 3ish... we PT for as long as the sgt wants or until we get everything done right as a one...
if one person drops or screws up, we all find ourselves in the front lean and rest, or on our backs doing leg lifts... or what have you.
today was especially hard because for some reason or another, the candidates didnt have their act together... i even dropped the ball once because i was super amped up and didnt realize i had sprinted past a specific mark and i just didnt stop lol...
anyways... today was the toughest day thus far for PT.

At least you're not coming into and leaving the compund while its still dark. That was the worst. Chores sucked as well. I just wanted to leave at that time instead of another 30 mins+ of BS.

[VAsteve20]

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[TeayotaSoupra]

hah I remember those days. We had a guy who was trying the academy for the 2nd time. You'd think he'd keep working out after he failed the first time.. but no.. MAN he made PT hard.

We never had anyone quit our class... Our "drill instructors" tried.. oh lord did they try to get us to quit. We had one guy who had to drop because he got REALLY sick. Then the big guy finally failed again... thats about it..

And about the big guy.. he DOESN'T need to be a LEO. Someone who puts their finger on the trigget then waves the gun around trying to find the saftey just DOESN'T need a gun.

Oh yea.. that part of training is fun. hahahaha well some of it was..

[VAsteve20]

no more updates

[kimura7]

What does a normal day of physical activity consist of at your academy?

[VAsteve20]

gotta close this thread

[SoInTeNsE54]

welp...
we lost another candidate...
and i wouldnt be surprised if another drops out soon.
we started with 35 on the roster at payroll, down to 28 now, and its been physically difficult for those who decided to sit around for the 5 month application process... especially when we were told to start running 2-5miles a day and begin a physical training session of our own prior to the august 29 start date.
its just amazing at how many of the candidates claimed they could run 2 miles... those same candidates cant even complete a 1/4mile run :mad:
it makes us all look bad, and to think, these guys just might make it out on the streets. maybe thats mean of me to say... but my life will be in their hands, and i dont think some of them have what it takes to have my back when crap hits the fan.

Damn, why are so many people dropping out of your accademy...? i just dont understand how you could go into something as physically demanding as that and not get prepared.... not being able to run a 1/4 mile... thats pretty bad.. im a horrible runner and i can do that. keep us posted man, and goodluck!!

[Chiller]

Damn, why are so many people dropping out of your accademy...? i just dont understand how you could go into something as physically demanding as that and not get prepared.... not being able to run a 1/4 mile... thats pretty bad.. im a horrible runner and i can do that. keep us posted man, and goodluck!!



I agree with this also..unreal

[VAsteve20]

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[pkagel]

Well, Steve, this is a great place to vent, just don't let it get back to your class though. Maybe they all were lying, or maybe they hurt themselves and that is why they can't run. Don't judge them yet. Vent here all you want though, good to get it out of your system.

well guys it makes me sick to know that some of these folks just might make it out on the streets with me... ...

[Soon2Be]

VASteve,
I hope you're enjoying the academy, despite the lies of some of your classmates. No doubt you're annoyed, and I certainly don't blame you!

Take comfort in the fact that you are better than that, and always set a positive example for your classmates.

Best wishes!

[VAsteve20]

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[pkagel]

All I was saying was to get your venting out here and don't do it at the academy. The staff sees all and knows that everyone said they were super runners instead of owning up to the fact that they can't run. Don't let it bother you, they will get theirs. Figure that when you do a 5 mile run you'll have it pretty easy as the guys in the back are sweating their balls off trying to keep up.

As far as the trigger pull for the HK. When I wore out my springs I replaced the trigger spring w/ a lighter one off of ebay. It really worked wonders. The kit came with a replacement recoil spring and 3 different trigger springs of different weights.

Ya gotta tell us why the weak didn't pt. I'll admit their were days when I didn't want to hit it hard in the academy but, like you, I told myself that if I take it easy in the academy I'll do the same on the street and die. That was enough to keep me going. I puked after every 500yd sprint & the staff loved it!!

[chespd2be]

it is annoying yes, but i am having the time of my life...
today was our first day of firearms training... however, they gave us a day of shooting to figure out which HK USP we wanted... the compact or full-size...
i elected to shoot the full-size, and the double action trigger press is a stiff one i can tell you that...
but anyway, today was our first real day of FA training, and ive gotten damn good with this HK. today was probably the best day thus far...
shooting all day, then a great PT session with out the weak minded because they... well i wont get into that :rolleyes:

Steve, its like shoting a brick! Told you the fun stuff is coming!!!!!!

[VAsteve20]

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[pkagel]

Steve, what cal HK are you getting and are you getting the full size or compact. Also, do they let you pick the variant or are you stuck w/ V1/V2

[VAsteve20]

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[pkagel]

sorry, I've been busting my hump all day and wasn't paying close attention. :rolleyes: Cool, V1 is great, but I founf myself wishing I had the V3 while in the academy. I'm still going back and forth over having it converted.

BTW, dunno if your HK does it but on my old one if you slammed a full mag in hard it would automatically slam the slide home. Try it and see.

pay attention to detail brother... ;)
above i stated i selected the full-size... its V-1... basically the ambi frame setup so you can swap the safety from right to left... however you cannot swap out the slide release...
and it is a .40 cal

[VAsteve20]

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[Chiller]

How many miles do you normally run a day for PT? I'm sure it varies so give me a hi/low if ya can

Thanx

[pkagel]

Get in front of the TV and practice it slowly exactly how they taught you and build up speed after you have the finess


i def need to work on my mag changes to fine tune the motion and indexing the mag.

[Soon2Be]

VASteve20,
I think it's great your posting your experiences. Keep them coming! I am working towards getting hired, and am living vicariously through you, lol.

Enjoy yourself!

[VAsteve20]

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[SoInTeNsE54]

How many miles do you normally run a day for PT? I'm sure it varies so give me a hi/low if ya can

Thanx


I was wondering that as well...

[VAsteve20]

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[tstony]

how did you prepare for the academy? i'm in shape but am awful when it comes to the running. when you guys run in formation, what's the speed? any work-out tips and running tips would be appreciated

[criticalthinker]

VASteve20,

Are you in the Chesapeake Academy? I have applied and awaiting background checks at Norfolk and Suffolk. Your academy experiences remind me of Navy boot camp. PT, teamwork, and PT... Good luck to you.

CT

[TeayotaSoupra]

how did you prepare for the academy? i'm in shape but am awful when it comes to the running. when you guys run in formation, what's the speed? any work-out tips and running tips would be appreciated
Sprinting back and forth will help build up your lungs.. speed depends on the class.. some are really slow runners but will be pushed to their limits.
Makes sure you can do many push ups and sit ups.. hah

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[SoInTeNsE54]

we lost two more...
unfortunantely one was lost due to injury, the other was the one we have been waiting on to quit...
and he finally did...
down to 26 with 7 weeks into it.

Wow... why do people keep dropin out? is it because the physical part of it keeps getting tougher?

[VAsteve20]

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[USAcop]

Academy is the easy part.

FTO washes much more out. Book smart people especially

[karpaasi]

VAsteve20, you mentioned that one of the recent "drops" was due to injury. I'm curious, what type of injury? I would assume with a normal athletic injury (twisted ankle, pulled muscle, etc.), they would let you take a few days of rest from PT, or have you participate in activities that wouldn't hurt the injury, but let you stay in the academy.

Anyone could pull a muscle or take a wrong step and twist an ankle.

[VAsteve20]

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[chespd2be]

Academy is the easy part.

FTO washes much more out. Book smart people especially

Not here. I'm not going to get into a ****ing match, however our academy is no joke.

"book smart people"...come on????

[wannabeenytrp]

how did you prepare for the academy? i'm in shape but am awful when it comes to the running. when you guys run in formation, what's the speed? any work-out tips and running tips would be appreciated

VASAteve gave you good advice. It is different for me as I love running and I can't go a few days without running and when I run it is for a min of 4 miles... Just grab your mp3 player and go running. runnerworld.com had an excellent article which stated that 80%-90% of your running should be longer distance slower pace. Here is a link to the article. it is under calculators Pace time...

Running Pace (http://www.runnersworld.com/article/0,,s6-51-58-0-1000,00.html)

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[chespd2be]

yep... this academy is no slouch of an academy... from a physical aspect, there is said to be only one in the state that compares...
and its the hated VSP's...
seems no one likes the VSP on these forums...
but anyway, more bad news today...

we lost an officer over the weekend to gunfire, its been posted in the officer down forum...
and today we lost another officer candidate... friday's PT session was a tough one from what i hear... lucky for a few of us, we didnt have to PT because we have performed at an optimal level from day one Sgt. said ... not to mention the rain, and colder weather in the area friday may have had something to do with his decision...
from 35 to 25.
down to 25 total candidates.

I hate to keep posting this comment, "it won't be the last". You know how I feel about this.

What is the deal with some of the class PTing and otheres not???? That's weak, Steve. Unity, Baby!

[VAsteve20]

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[chespd2be]

i guess it was our gift from sgt h.
myself and a few other offered to participate in the PT session, however, sgt h. said negative...
also the people who had to stay back were the ones who didnt participate at one time, or couldnt complete a session and had to make up for it... so im assuming that was the make up session... who knows... but i do know that the weather friday was fabulously Screwed lol.

Sucks for them!

[VAsteve20]

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[Chiller]

Is running 3 miles a good gauge as what to expect at an academy ya think?



I presently run 3 now

[VAsteve20]

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[Chiller]

if you are running 3 miles in say 24minutes and some change, you should be fine... but it wont hurt to tack on a couple more miles to make it 5 miles...
5 mile runs are a good simulation of our academy runs...
but dont forget to add your entire PT session before the run ;)
i think we did about 330 reps of belly busters along with our regular PT (15-60 reps depending on exercises) then ran like 4-5miles.

be prepared brother... thats all i can really say...
if you dont prepare or you are a flop, not only will you pay, but everyone around you will pay for your inabilities as well. then next thing you know, your classmates may have a chip on their shoulders when they are around you...


Thanx man..appreciate it...the running is my weakness by far

[USAcop]

What percentage of your class is former military?

How many of them have dropped out if any?

Does your department require college degrees?

What percentage of the people with college degrees dropped out?

Good luck.

[chespd2be]

dood this is lame... down to 24 now...

Should I say it again..."it wont"...nevermind.

Seriously, the events of this weekend may really change some lives in your class and make them think is this for them? This aint TV and COPS, etc...this **** is real.

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[Chiller]

Hey Steve....I know ya said 3 miles in 24 and some change but mine now is 26. After the 3 mile point I do tend to slow abit. Does that sound half way decent for now? IF I get hired ,an academy will not be until Dec. at the earliest so I am working on it. Any suggestions on that after 3 miles? Also,do you guys run everyday of the academy the whole way thru?


Are most of these guys quitting just due to being out of shape or just not wanting it bad enough you think?


Thanx for your help and this thread has been super for info.

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[SoInTeNsE54]

Bump for an update..

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[Gil]

Great workout, Steve. I wanted to ask..Do you perform burpees, or squat thrusts? I do these when I am unable to get out and run. They kick ***, especially when done in pyramid or interval form. My condolences over the loss of your fellow officer as well.

Gil

[Bullitt]

I hope you keep your overconfident attitude confined to this website. Police work is not an individual effort so maybe try to help out those who are not in as good as shape as you.
Your FTO won't care how far you can run but he will care if you don't know the laws. It's not all running and gunning.

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[wannabeenytrp]

VaSteve

There aint nothing wrong with being a hard charger...

Keep up the good work!

[lilnupe2009]

How about the classroom work, Is it very hard or it'just like a college class..

[wannabeenytrp]

How about the classroom work, Is it very hard or it'just like a college class..


What college class? Are you talking about Calculus based Probability(requires Theories from Calc III) or Psych 101??? It depends on what college class you are talking about!

I assume you are talking about any academy not just Steve's academy. If so, then it depends on a lot of variables: Is it residential? Do they add more stress by kicking you out if you fail an exam? If so it doesn't matter how easy or hard it is because the stress of losing your job over an exam can freak some people out. A lot of academies pass everyone; they simply retest the recruits who fail until the pass...

[lilnupe2009]

U know just like 101,102 classes college, if u don't have the grades by the end of the semester they will kick u out no if and or but about it.. So after the frist time u fail a test, they will give u another one. What happen when u fail that one. Do alot of people get kick out the academy for failing a exam or two???

[wannabeenytrp]

U know just like 101,102 classes college, if u don't have the grades by the end of the semester they will kick u out no if and or but about it.. So after the frist time u fail a test, they will give u another one. What happen when u fail that one. Do alot of people get kick out the academy for failing a exam or two???

I can only speak for my academy. There were 4 main Tests if you failed one you got to retake it a week later and if you failed you were gone!!! The classes are not hard, but with all the other crap going on it is more difficult if you don't study.

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[SoInTeNsE54]

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[metstones]

Next week is week 15 for us in the Norfolk academy. We started with 33 and are down to 29. Lost one early, one for academics, one for shooting like crap and one for DT's. May lose 2 more for shooting also. Norfolk has a higher standard than the state for shooting, have to score a 76 vice a 70 for state and they all have to be in the bottle for the Q target. VaSteve, how does Chesapeake do there scoring? Have you done DT's yet? Just finished up 2 weeks of that, nothing like getting your *** kicked for 8 hours a day. I got bruises on top of bruises, gotta love it.

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[DaBeach]

CPD is a very strenuous academy, both physically and mentally challenging. I work for the beach and we had an Officer in my academy class (10+ years ago) come over from Chesapeake and laughed at ours. I thought ours was hard,

He mentioned the mind games, the length and the PT part. I'm sure they have changed things, but he was saying they had no end time, Different sets of instructors would come out AM and PM and that was part of the game. 5-5:30 would come and they would have a new set of instructors start another PT session. They would end very late and have a quick turnaround. It actually reminds me a great deal of the way we run a SWAT school.

"HIT THE LOT" are famous word throughout the area departments. I was out there a few years ago for a class and saw some of it first hand! They are hard on the recruits. No doubt!

Good Luck.

[grumpyirishman]

I see that VAsteve20 wiped out all his cocky comments..Was 11/17 his last day? Did his lack of comprehending the book part of the training interfere with his squat thrusts? Did he finally discover that there was no "I" in "TEAM"? Did the attitude finally get adjusted????
JUST CURIOUS..... :confused: :eek:

[VAsteve20]

I see that VAsteve20 wiped out all his cocky comments..Was 11/17 his last day? Did his lack of comprehending the book part of the training interfere with his squat thrusts? Did he finally discover that there was no "I" in "TEAM"? Did the attitude finally get adjusted????
JUST CURIOUS..... :confused: :eek:
my postings were not intended to be cocky or arrogant...
it was brought to my attention that they were viewed as such...
i was trying to document my experiences in hopes to help others and it backfired, so i made the editing and am in the process of having the thread deleted completely.

[Evil Cartman]

Ok Steve,

Maybe you were a little cocky or even arrogant. So what..

It

[JJS]

Steve don

[wannabeenytrp]

This has happened before. I am thinking Steve may have been told or advised to delete the thread!

We represent or respective agencies and if a post sounds arrogant or ignorant or whatever (I personally like Steve's thread), it is reflective of our agency. It is the same when we are out in public everyone is watching.

This is probably the most active LE website on the net and I am thinking someone from the academy might have suggested the post be deleted, as it is obvious some people found it to be arrogant... :confused:

[DaBeach]

I liked the thread as well, however it seems someone had a chat with our friend, VASTEVE20.

Stuff happens

[Soon2Be]

I don't get it. If people didn't like VASteve's "cocky" attitude (I didn't find it cocky at all), why can't they just avoid this thread? I personally thought there was benefit in this thread.

People should be responsible for their own actions. If they know someone has an attitude they don't agree with, just avoid the thread, and go on their merry way. Don't whine about it.

[pkagel]

I don't think VASteve deleted the thread due to anyone on here but rather someone who is a part of the dept. He would have been just fine had he never mentioned the department he was working for in my opinion.

As far as cocky attitude, I just took it as venting over people who did not prepare themselves to go to the academy. I'm sure any of you who have been to an academy will attest, you spent some time at home complaining to your wife or maybe one of the other recruits about how slack one or more of the other recruits were. Better to vent about it here than to make waves at the academy.

I don't get it. If people didn't like VASteve's "cocky" attitude (I didn't find it cocky at all), why can't they just avoid this thread? I personally thought there was benefit in this thread.

People should be responsible for their own actions. If they know someone has an attitude they don't agree with, just avoid the thread, and go on their merry way. Don't whine about it.

[Soon2Be]

I don't think VASteve deleted the thread due to anyone on here but rather someone who is a part of the dept. He would have been just fine had he never mentioned the department he was working for in my opinion.

Ahhh that clarifies, thank you. I thought it was people on this forum complaining. My bad!!

And I agree with you, I thought he was just venting as well.