Air Marshal Job Open !

[INTHEAIRCOP]

The postion for Air Marshal is now open. They will hire about 240 new Fams. But the bad news is all new hires will goto the D.C. or N.Y. office. The pay is good but I would not move to those two offices. Good luck to all who apply because you will need it if you get the postion.

[normy0]

aircop,
What are your schedules like? Do you fly for 5 days then off for two nights at your duty location? Also, could you transfer to other locations after putting in some time in New York or DC? Thank you in advance.

[BigDaddy]

Where do you apply? I couldn't find it on USA jobs.

[IN2005]

usa jobs

Department: Department Of Homeland Security
Agency: Transportation Security Administration
Job Announcement Number:
FAMS-FLD-05-0002

Vacancy Announcement Number: FAMS-FLD-05-0002

hope this helps

[BigDaddy]

Thanks for the info!

[PPD668]

I can't find anything on where I can apply

[BigDaddy]

www.usajobs.com search for air marshall or type in the listing # . They redirect you to another site.

[BigDaddy]

https://www.avuedigitalservices.com/casting/login/loginMain.jsp?agency=FAMS


Try that. It's the redirect site.

[BigDaddy]

I just got off the phone with a friend who works out of the Philadelphia office. He said there is a ton of attrition, poor management, terrible hours, etc. He didn't recommend it for married people(due to the travel), however he did advise me to go through the process to get a feel for it. He also stated that there is always the possibility of trabsferring to another fed agency once your on (he started in border patrol). So just an FYI for everyone out there.....I'm applying.

[Max Fischer]

Thanks for the info guys, appreciate it.

Does anyone know if they pay more for graduate degrees?

Also, do you get per diem, etc? while traveling?

Does anyone know what the starting pay is, and if you can live off that in DC of NY? I think it is doubtful, but I don't know.

[USAcop]

They should get rid of all the air marshals and just let full time cops fly free in exchange for the security.

[Big Sexy]

They should get rid of all the air marshals and just let full time cops fly free in exchange for the security.

Sure for CQB tactics are your bread and butter. I'm sure you're so much better prepared for a hijacking than I am, considering you practice for it weekly. :rolleyes:

[Big Sexy]

Does anyone know if they pay more for graduate degrees?

Also, do you get per diem, etc? while traveling?

Does anyone know what the starting pay is, and if you can live off that in DC of NY? I think it is doubtful, but I don't know.

Yes, we do receive per diem, while traveling on overnights. On days when you're flying out, only to return home, you do not receive per diem.

Starting salaries will depend on what YOU bring to the table. A graduate degree won't hurt you, but doesn't necessarily translate into more money.

[USAcop]

Sure for CQB tactics are your bread and butter. I'm sure you're so much better prepared for a hijacking than I am, considering you practice for it weekly. :rolleyes:

How often have you ever arrested someone using those tactics?

Your typical Officer searches numerous building and houses and has apprehended numerous suspects in the real world.

There is a big, big difference in the stress of arresting someone in a real world situation and training.

How many people have you actually arrested at gunpoint as an air marshal?

Compare that to your typical Officer.

[Welpe]

Uh-oh, BS is in the house. Watch out folks! ;) Nice to see you posting here, BS.

[normy0]

To any current air marshals,
I am thinking about applying. I was just reading some articles in some various magazines about low morale and how a lot of people are leaving. The articles also stated that they make you fly 10 or more days in a row. Is any of this true? How do you guys like the job? If you had a choice between what you do now and say patrol officer would you stick with the air marshal service? Sorry for all the questions and thank you in advance for your responses.

[Big Sexy]

How often have you ever arrested someone using those tactics?

None, but I have stayed at a Holiday Inn once. Tactics and arrests made are apples and oranges.

Your typical Officer searches numerous building and houses and has apprehended numerous suspects in the real world.

Dude, you have no idea of my real world experience. If I offended you, good, you deserved it. You come off with a comment about getting rid of air marshals, and to let YOU(you made a comment about local officers, but you meant you) freeload a seat on an aircraft. You want a free ride on a plane, join up and become a marshal. I didn't come off disrespecting local officers. If I have, it wasn't my intent, my intent was with you. You made the asinine comment and continue to do such. You disrespected us, first, I'm just responding.

There is a big, big difference in the stress of arresting someone in a real world situation and training.

I'm still waiting for you to NOT state the obvious.

How many people have you actually arrested at gunpoint as an air marshal?

As a Air Marshal, no sir, I have not arrested anyone by gunpoint. As a federal officer, with over 10 years of experience, yes I have, several. I've also been in four shoot outs and shot once. I've also made drug seizures in the thousands of pounds, arrested drunks, pedophiles, rapist, murderers, smugglers etc, etc. I don't know what makes you think that your typical air marshal has never done anything, but ride in a plane. You need to seriously check your facts officer, or, get some better snitches. The ones you have, have been steering you wrong.

Compare that to your typical Officer.

I just compared myself to you. How do I stack up now.

Hey Welpe, I didn't know you posted here. Thanks for the warm welcome. I see everyone here isn't making uninformed comments.

[Big Sexy]

I am thinking about applying. I was just reading some articles in some various magazines about low morale and how a lot of people are leaving.

We've had issues in the past, concerning morale. All I can say, things are and have gotten better.

The articles also stated that they make you fly 10 or more days in a row. Is any of this true?

Naw, don't believe everything you read. I have yet to fly 10 days in a row. I've technically worked 8, but one of those was in the office and three were overseas.

How do you guys like the job? If you had a choice between what you do now and say patrol officer would you stick with the air marshal service?

I enjoy it and I'm sure I'm not alone, or I'd be a one man FAM Service. Having worked streets and now doing this, it's a toss up. I've made my peace with leaving that behind and at times miss it. But, I also enjoy what I do and may return to the streets one day, but for right now, I'm staying put. That is a question you have to ask yourself, if this would be the job for you. I've always advised my buddies who were local officers, if you really like what you do know, stay there. If you want to try something different, with the possible opportunity of more money and travel, give it a shot. This applies to any federal agency you may be considering.

[Bearcatz06]

Nice to see you over here BS. Some of the guys over here don't play well with others at times....and get offended when you don't agree with some of the crap that rolls out of their mouths from time-to-time...... :rolleyes:

[Big Sexy]

Nice to see you over here BS. Some of the guys over here don't play well with others at times....and get offended when you don't agree with some of the crap that rolls out of their mouths from time-to-time...... :rolleyes:

You know me Bearcatz, I try to go along to get along. Till someone puts their foot in their mouth. I'm just following your lead. ;)

[Bearcatz06]

You know me Bearcatz, I try to go along to get along. Till someone puts their foot in their mouth. I'm just following your lead. ;)

If you had been over here a day or so earlier....you could have seen me duke it out with one of rp's banned souls. You will meet him soon enough I am sure..... :D

[That Guy]

BS..how does the placemnt of posts work, do you have the abliity to pick where you want to be? Also I assume they pay you COLA to help.
I understand that mnay aspects of your job are secret, but what is the "typical" day hold?

TGY

[Big Sexy]

BS..how does the placemnt of posts work, do you have the abliity to pick where you want to be?

In the beginning you were offered choices of locations, now I'm not exactly sure how they are going to do it. I do know that NYC and D.C. have priority, as far as staffing. Doesn't mean you will have to go there, but they want to fill any vacancies there first.

Also I assume they pay you COLA to help.

Yes sir, you will receive COLA.

I understand that mnay aspects of your job are secret, but what is the "typical" day hold?

Without devulging into detail, a "typical" day will have you covering a multiple legs (one trip from point "A" to "B", being a leg) , sometimes multiple airlines, to return home.

[wayno1806]

If you guys/gals decide to go for it. Better study hard for the written test. It's a hard one. Goverment GS position are tough to get.

www.*****************************

[Gil]

I did apply back in 2002, but was told "not qualified" I am former military (not MP) 4 year degree (criminal justice) and 5 years Justice/ Homeland Security (Immigration, non enforcement). Was wondering I if I should re-apply and want can I do to get a "qualified" rating? Any additional training I can do on my own, courses, etc?

Thank you in advance.

Gil

[Big Sexy]

I did apply back in 2002, but was told "not qualified" I am former military (not MP) 4 year degree (criminal justice) and 5 years Justice/ Homeland Security (Immigration, non enforcement). Was wondering I if I should re-apply and want can I do to get a "qualified" rating? Any additional training I can do on my own, courses, etc?

Thank you in advance.

Gil

I would say, "Yes". You have nothing to lose. The recruiting methodology is different and the qualifications may have been tweaked slightly. Go for it and good luck.

[Gil]

Big Sexy,

I appreciate the response, and will give it another go. Thanks again.

Gil

[sco0437]

Big Sexy,

Thanks for all your info on this post! I applied for the Federal Air Marshal position at the beginning of this month and have a few questions.

1- I live in Buffalo, NY. Would I be able to fly back and forth to pick up my flights? Would I have the ability to fly space available on aircraft to get to NYC? I know Jetblue has flights every hour or 2.

2- While working off duty do you have cockpit jumpseat privileges?


I appreciate your response and I am excited about the interview process. I have my B.S degree, local LE Experience, and recently received my Private Pilot License so I'm hoping I have a shot.

Thanks,
Steve

[Big Sexy]

1- I live in Buffalo, NY. Would I be able to fly back and forth to pick up my flights? Would I have the ability to fly space available on aircraft to get to NYC? I know Jetblue has flights every hour or 2.

Sorry for the time delayed response, I am currently and have been out of the country.
Answer for #1 is, NO. You have to live within 2 hours of either your office or airport.

2- While working off duty do you have cockpit jumpseat privileges?


Once again, even though I hate to be the bearer of bad news, the answer is no.

[NOLAPIG]

I would like some feedback on the first people to at least get a callback for an interview. Very interested in seeing how fast this process is gonna go.

[FemaleFed]

What exactly does the initial written test consist of for the air marshals? And when are you expected to take it? Before or after the interview process?

[COBRA29]

One of the first Air Marshals hired after Sept11. No longer work for them so I will glady answer any questions you have ( in reference to the job)

[FemaleFed]

One of the first Air Marshals hired after Sept11. No longer work for them so I will glady answer any questions you have ( in reference to the job)

Cobra,
Did you have to take a 3 hour written test? And if so, what did it consist of?
Also, at what point are you considered "on the clock" to account for your hours for the day?
Does it start when you board the plane, and stop when you exit the plane?
Or is your time in the airport factored in?

Thanks,
I have a billion questions, but will try to keep them to a minimum for you.
LOL.

[COBRA29]

Cobra,
Did you have to take a 3 hour written test? And if so, what did it consist of?
Also, at what point are you considered "on the clock" to account for your hours for the day?
Does it start when you board the plane, and stop when you exit the plane?
Or is your time in the airport factored in?

Thanks,
I have a billion questions, but will try to keep them to a minimum for you.
LOL.


No test was required of me. I was trying to apply prior to Sept 11th. Then it was a matter of coincidence that they needed so many marshals after the 11th. I was hired based upon my experience. Marines, Federal Agent, and Police Officer. I went to Jersey. Interviewed, medical, and Physcological, background check. I already had a Top Secret Clearance, which they transferred over. Went to training and due to my tactical experience, my training was very short and before you knew it I was on a plane. They then created a phase 2 training in which agents that were hired early on to fill the requirement, got to go back get more in depth training. A good thing about Air Marshals is that training was always ongoing. At least at my hubs.

You were usually on the clock 2 hours prior to scheduled departure time and off once the plane touched ground and you get off.(technically) But that also depends on how many planes you have to catch. And alot may depend on the Hub (city) your stationed at at?

[smurphy528]

Does anyone know how fast this process is moving? Has anyone received a call back for an interview? I remember reading on the job posting that they wanted to have people ready to begin training as early as Aug 22. Any info out there? Bueller? Bueller?

[FemaleFed]

I received an email from the Avue Digital Services help desk (They are doing the application processing for FAM's) stating that they recently changed a few questions on the medical part of the application and wanted me to go back in and change answers on my application if any of the changes applied to me. Has anyone else gotten any feedback yet?

[rick0921]

I received an email from the Avue Digital Services help desk (They are doing the application processing for FAM's) stating that they recently changed a few questions on the medical part of the application and wanted me to go back in and change answers on my application if any of the changes applied to me. Has anyone else gotten any feedback yet?
I received an email back from Avue stating that I had been identified to receive a conditional offer of employment. Has anyone else received anything like this or proceeded further into the process? I'm trying to figure out what their timeline is looking like.

[FemaleFed]

Would like to hear from anyone who gets contacted for the next step as well. I'm wondering how long the process will take.

[squad51]

why in the heck would anyone want to be a AIr marshall...that has got to be the most boring law enforcement job ever....I mean its even more boing then my federal LE job and that is saying alot.......

[FemaleFed]

why in the heck would anyone want to be a AIr marshall...that has got to be the most boring law enforcement job ever....I mean its even more boing then my federal LE job and that is saying alot.......

My job now is boring at times as well. But at least with the air marshals you get paid better to "be bored". I think I can go buy me something in one of the many major cities around the world that I will be able to see with the extra cash I made and feel better about having to be bored...lol.

[webjeep]

I received an email back from Avue stating that I had been identified to receive a conditional offer of employment. Has anyone else received anything like this or proceeded further into the process? I'm trying to figure out what their timeline is looking like.


I just got mine tonight. Said I have to fax the med forms also.

-web

[squad51]

My job now is boring at times as well. But at least with the air marshals you get paid better to "be bored". I think I can go buy me something in one of the many major cities around the world that I will be able to see with the extra cash I made and feel better about having to be bored...lol.
Ok, but you don't get to read on the flights, you can't watch the movie, you have to sit there not sleeping sticking out like a sore thumb cause you are the only one just watching people dressed in a suit.

My wife told me when I was considering applying for the AMs as I got out of the USAF that she had no problems with me beign a cop, a swat cop, a under cover agent...but she was really no pleased about me applying to the Air Marshalls, when I asked why she said "I know you are carefull, I know that if you get in jam you have backup and you always wear yoru vest and you can shoot your way out of things. But sometimes planes just crash and you have no affect on that whatsoever."

I thought long and hard about that and in the end did not sumit my app to them, as she was right, YOu have no control weatehr the pilot makes a mistake and makes another smoking hole in the ground...I am one of those guys who likes having control of things and since I ain't flying theplane..I just ain't digging it.

That said I wish you all the luck in the world. :)

[sco0437]

For those of you who are not passionate about Aviation or have any fear whatsoever of flying then I feel being an Air Marshal is not for you.

I am a pilot and my Uncle is a major airline captain. I have worked for 2 airlines, can tell you the inside cabin configs for most airplanes flying today and tell you which airplanes the major airlines are flying on their routes.

I took 9/11 personally not only because I am an American but also because I truly care about the airline industry, like most of its employees. Yeah, I would rather be flying the aircraft myself but I have the utmost respect and confidence for airline pilots (except those America West scumbags who pounded drinks for 6 hours when they knew they would have 200 lives in their hands the next day.

Anyway, when I used to fly alot I would take the routes that would give me the most takeoffs and landings in order to get to my destination. I once flew from ATL-SAN in the morning, went to the zoo, etc. and was on a plane back to ATL a few hours later. My point is that is how much I love to fly and I

[COBRA29]

[QUOTE=squad51]Ok, but you don't get to read on the flights, you can't watch the movie, you have to sit there not sleeping sticking out like a sore thumb cause you are the only one just watching people dressed in a suit.


Seeing as though I have been an Air Marshal and several of my close friends are still Marshals, I have to ask, "Where do you get your info from?"

One, I have read so many books and magazines. Two, watched so many movies, even on my own laptop. And three, dressed any way I wanted to, within reason. Do you really think that Marshals wear suits everywhere they go?...Hell Naw! Imagine flying to Orlando(Disneyworld) or Puerto Rico in a suit. Come on! Wake up, bro...don't believe everything the news says.

You can do everything civilians do except sleep. Just pay attention to your surroundings. Your getting paid an absurd amount of money to stay awake, be aware, blend in (easier for some), and be prepared...just in case. Do you really think they expect you to sit there day in, day out with a blank look on face.

Plus you get to travel the world for free. Now granted there will be places that you don't want to go but then there a places you will love going.

Did I mention the women? They are everywhere!

__________________________________________________ _______

"They're rubbers, boys. Either put 'em on your weapons to keep the rust out, or put 'em on your "guns" to keep the crust out. But they're free and they'll keep you from getting your bore punched, one way or the other."

[Washingtonian]

COBRA, i'm sure you know what you're talking about. But I was under the same impression as Squad51, mostly because of articles like this one...

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/17/politics/17marshals.html?ex=1247716800&en=5373253d00637fc7&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland

"WASHINGTON, July 16 - Beards are out. So are jeans and athletic shoes. Suit coats are in, even on the steamiest summer days."

"Federal air marshals must have neatly trimmed hair and men must be clean-shaven, the documents say. Some of the service's 21 field offices have mandated that male officers wear suits, ties and dress shoes while on duty, even in summer heat. Women are required to wear blouses and skirts or dress slacks. Jeans, athletic shoes and noncollared shirts are prohibited."

[Big Sexy]

COBRA, i'm sure you know what you're talking about. But I was under the same impression as Squad51, mostly because of articles like this one...

but you don't get to read on the flights, you can't watch the movie, you have to sit there not sleeping sticking out like a sore thumb cause you are the only one just watching people dressed in a suit.

I'd suggest that the both of you at least have some first hand information on a subject, before you post misinformation and half truths. So you read it in the paper, big deal, doesn't make it true. I'm not going to sit here and discuss our dress code or other operational procedures with you. But before you post, "Why would anyone want to be an Air Marshal", or " I'm not sure you know what you're talking about", type of posts, at least get your own facts straight. If the job isn't one you'd like to do, great, push on with what you're currently doing. But don't bad mouth an agency, you have no first hand knowledge of, because you read an article in the paper once.

[Washingtonian]

Relax. I never stated that as fact. As far as my post goes, I simply said that's the impression I was under because of things i've read/seen in the media. People can take that or leave it, we all know how the media is.

[That Guy]

Why is the turnover rate so high (was mentioned above) if it's true?

TGY

[squad51]

Well then I do apologize, if I had my "facts" wrong however I know several speople who became FAMS righ toutof the military and that is what they told me when I was appling. I was sent out ot DC on a gig last year and was told that same thing by DHS and FAA personel at the same gig and some where FAMS. If I was mistaken then I apologize, but that was what was related to me.

In hindsight I should have posted "I was told: Or "My understanding is" for that I do aplogize...

[Big Sexy]

Why is the turnover rate so high (was mentioned above) if it's true?

TGY

First I'd like to say to squad51 and Washingtonian, no harm no foul. We're a new agency, 3 years 10 months later, thinks are still in flux and changing.

The high turnover rate, is debatable. I'm still working with 95% of my original team from over 3 years ago. people mention the high turnover rate, but there is never a definite percentage mentioned.

The turnover rate we do have is as varied as you would find in any agency. The USSS has a high turn over rate, yet they aren't being trashed for it. A large percentage of our management are ex-USSS, with a fair amount of representation from DEA and the FBI. We are the sum of our parts. One of the reasons for people leaving is quite simple, the job wasn't for them. This is not a kick in the door type of job. One must realize that when one accepts the position.

This is "Force Protection", not like the USSS, but not unlike it either. When you think USSS, you don't think about the poor guy guarding the east stairwell at 0430 in the morning. When guys think of the FAMS they don't necessarily think about catching that red eye flight at 0100, either. Believe it or not, there is more to the job, but catching flights are our bread and butter.

Others left after the management changed. We initially were under FAA, which was great for some things, bad for others. Remember under the FAA, the FAMS were allowed to dwindle down to 33 bodies. Upon initial hire, we still were managed as if there was 33 of us, but that changed quickly. New management meant new rules, regulations and ways of doing business. Much like when a county gets a new sheriff, things change. Not always for the better,but not always for the worst.

The traveling can, does and will wear you down. That's why USSS and DSS have high turn over rates as well. The FAMS aren't unique in this area.

Some guys moved on to other agencies, some discovered this wasn't their calling, some previously local or state guys had a hard time adjusting, some left for personal reasons, some were fired for doing stupid things, some were let go or given the chance to resign due to background or credit issues, etc, etc. There are several reasons why people left our employ, not just and only for the afore-mentioned reasons. We aren't the only agency with a high turn around rate. Some love it, others accept it, a few hate it. Show me an agency that doesn't have these three groups and grab me an application to work there while you're at it. :D

For those parties interested in the Federal Air Marshal Service, good luck and hope to se you soon. Come in with your eyes open, realize what you're getting into and do what is best for you. You will travel both domestically and foreign. You may be away from home 2 days a week, but you will travel everyday. You will get some good high speed training, that is continual, not just once a year or every 6 months. There is no back up. Let me repeat that part, there is no back up. God forbid, if something goes down, it's all on your shoulders to identify what is going on and to take appropriate action to nullify the situation.

Anyway, enough with my lecturing. To all those that have applied good luck with the process.

[rick0921]

Big Sexy, first off let me say, thank you. You are the type of person that I and, hopefully, all the others that have applied for this position wish to work with on a day to day basis. I know that it's to be expected in any job to have people who love their job and ones that hate it. It is good to know that there are those out there who understand this and can give a good and honest opinion.

One quick question. I'm looking into preparing myself for training and would like to know, if you can tell us, what type of physical and weapons training would be benificial. Are certain weapons issued or is it up to the individual FAM?

Thanks for all your help. I'm sure we all appreciate it!

[Big Sexy]

Big Sexy, first off let me say, thank you. You are the type of person that I and, hopefully, all the others that have applied for this position wish to work with on a day to day basis. I know that it's to be expected in any job to have people who love their job and ones that hate it. It is good to know that there are those out there who understand this and can give a good and honest opinion.

One quick question. I'm looking into preparing myself for training and would like to know, if you can tell us, what type of physical and weapons training would be benificial. Are certain weapons issued or is it up to the individual FAM?

Thanks for all your help. I'm sure we all appreciate it!

First of all, thanks for the compliment, it's appreciated.

As far as preparing for training, I'd go with cardiovascular and weight training. Weapons, will be issued to you. I'd wait to attend the weapons training program that they have for you. It is pretty in-depth.

[reddragon22]

I have heard something mentioned, but never really a direct answer when it comes to hours. What is a typical week like? If you have a family is their a good chance you will be home with them every night or atleast 5 nights a week? Also I saw that a few people had applied and had already got responses. What is the average time it took from date of application until the point you heard something? Also has anyone gotten any further in the process than mentioned earlier in thread? I'm interested, but I have a family and I dont think I could handle being away from home for long periods of times, thats why I'm curious about that. Thanks to anyone who can provide me some feedback. :)

[Big Sexy]

I have heard something mentioned, but never really a direct answer when it comes to hours. What is a typical week like? If you have a family is their a good chance you will be home with them every night or atleast 5 nights a week?

If you hope to be home 5 days a week, every week, this is not the job for you. I suggest you look elsewhere.

[LE206]

None, but I have stayed at a Holiday Inn once

That was great.. still laughing :D

Im currently a federal LEO, do you air marshals attend FLETC? or do you have a different academy or in house training program you attend? Sounds interesting.. now just to get over that slight issue I have with flying :rolleyes:

[webjeep]

Im currently a federal LEO, do you air marshals attend FLETC? or do you have a different academy or in house training program you attend?

7 weeks in Artesia, NM and 7 weeks in Atlantic City or something like that.

*not there yet, still local*

[Big Sexy]

Im currently a federal LEO, do you air marshals attend FLETC? or do you have a different academy or in house training program you attend? Sounds interesting.. now just to get over that slight issue I have with flying :rolleyes:

We attend FLETC Artesia, then on to in house training. As far as flying goes just remember, it isn't the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop. :D

[sotzo]

I received the conditional job offer via email, like some of the other people here.

I am curious, what order do they do the testing in? I live about 600 miles from the closest office and was hoping they do a majority of the testing on the same day.

[I]The remaining phases of the hiring and assessment process are:

[ChrisLe]

Hello,

First post! I also applied for the FAM position and subsequently received a conditional letter of employment on 04-Aug-05. Two days later I received additional emails indicating that I need to complete the background investigation, get fingerprinted at a local PD, and an additional email indicating the procedure by which i need to schedule my physical. Within two weeks of the original conditional employment email I was called by the local FAM recruiter and scheduled for an oral interview. I've since completed the oral interview and physical. Within days of completion of the physical and oral interview, my investigator contacted me indicating that the process is dynamic and moving very fast, and that i need to be flexible and prepared to make any arrangements and decisions necessary insofar as whether I am prepared to accept the position..I've since already been scheduled for the psych exam. Things are moving along at a very fast pace... I hope this lends some insight into the process for those who have also applied and are curious as to the procedure and time frame.......Good luck to all who applied..

[PPD668]

If you get hired and worked for FAM for 3 years could you lateral to another federal agency like the U.S. Marshal Service or U.S. Customs or how long would you have to be on the FAM to transfer to a different duty location like Las Vegas?

[Big Sexy]

If you get hired and worked for FAM for 3 years could you lateral to another federal agency like the U.S. Marshal Service or U.S. Customs or how long would you have to be on the FAM to transfer to a different duty location like Las Vegas?

If you are hired, you can transition to any other agency, when you want, based upon you being hired by them of course.

[sotzo]

I've since completed the oral interview and physical.


Was this a medical physical or a running/agility sort of thing? What was involved in it?

[ChrisLe]

Was this a medical physical or a running/agility sort of thing? What was involved in it?

Medical only which included an EKG, vision, bloodwork, urinalysis, hearing and an exam by an MD. To my knowledge I do not know of any agility/running test....

[sotzo]

Thanks for the info. Keep us updated :)

[raven52]

I also got the cond offer and had to fax is some medical release forms. Has anyone else got a call about an interview?

[ChrisLe]

Would be curious to know how many of you that received conditional offers and live outside the DC/NY area would relocate if hired. This, of course, assumes that FAMS is hiring in the DC/NY areas only (at least that is my understanding)...In short, would you relocate if hired for DC or NY only?

[gonefishin]

I would relocate...I had a medical about two weeks ago for Border Patrol...I wonder if I would have to take another medical for FAMS if I get that far.

[Raven681]

Hey ChrisLe, I got a conditional offer and live in Florida but if given the chance I would relocate to Washington DC or NY

[ChrisLe]

Hey ChrisLe, I got a conditional offer and live in Florida but if given the chance I would relocate to Washington DC or NY

I was just curious. For those of you looking to relocate to NY, let me know as I can help insofar as what areas to avoid moving to. Fair warning, the cost of living here is absurd...Be prepared to pay upwards of 1k a month for an apartment (studio) in a decent neighborhood. Long Island, the farther east you go, is a tad cheaper but you will pay for it in commuting time (think traffic!!)....

[sotzo]

I would relocate as well. I live in San Francisco at the moment so I know all about the insane rent :(

Do you know if they help pay for relocation or airfare to attend the oral interview or other testing that requires going to one of their offices?

[gonefishin]

I would relocate as well. I live in San Francisco at the moment so I know all about the insane rent :(

Do you know if they help pay for relocation or airfare to attend the oral interview or other testing that requires going to one of their offices?


I don't think they will pay relocation but I know that when they originally hired (right after 9/11) they flew people to the panel interview and psych test

[Big Sexy]

I don't think they will pay relocation but I know that when they originally hired (right after 9/11) they flew people to the panel interview and psych test

This is true, we were flown in for a three day all encompassing process. But, those were different times and very different circumstances. I wouldn't count on them flying people in this time, since circumstances have changed and they're not building anything from scratch. So safe your pennies and dimes in case you have to travel.

[webjeep]

I live about two hours from Dulles so would not have to relocate, but anyone else who is looking at DC and gets the job drop me a PM and I'll try to point you in the right direction for housing. Northern VA is prohibitively expensive unless your significant other is making mid six figures.

I just hope that this process goes as quiclkly as the announcement made it seem, I have another job offer pending and feel bad about keeping them in limbo since FAMS is my 1st choice.

-web

[raven52]

for those who have received conditional offers, what are your backgrounds? I do not have any law enforcement experience and just wondering if I would qualify. I think the job sounds very interesting and respectable. I hear and read alot of bitching. I don't believe the lib media but I have heard from good sources that there is a high turnover rate. If I get the job I will gladly accept and be proud to serve. any thoughts are greatly appreciated. thanks to those fam's who are ringing in and providing some great info. as we all know this is a frustraiting process.

[sotzo]

I am 22 and just graduated with a BS in CJ. No LE experience but have 5 years work experience dealing with the community and have done an internship with a police dept. I know a bit of Arabic too, so maybe that will help my chances.

I got the email this afternoon explaining that I need to get my fingerprints and my medical done.

[ChrisLe]

for those who have received conditional offers, what are your backgrounds? I do not have any law enforcement experience and just wondering if I would qualify. I think the job sounds very interesting and respectable. I hear and read alot of bitching. I don't believe the lib media but I have heard from good sources that there is a high turnover rate. If I get the job I will gladly accept and be proud to serve. any thoughts are greatly appreciated. thanks to those fam's who are ringing in and providing some great info. as we all know this is a frustraiting process.

I don't have any LEO experience, per se. I'm a Paramedic by trade but also have 11 yrs military (Former A/D, current reserves) with two combat tours in Iraq under my belt....I applied, qualified for all pay bands, completed my panel interview, and had a good feeling afterwards. This was later confirmed by a FAM that I know in the Field Office I interviewed with who said they were impressed with my interview. Bottom line is you never know. It can't hurt to fill out the application...

[raven52]

I got the conditional offer but I had to get my doctor to provide some info on my admitted illegal substance use. I have used marijuana eight times in my life. my last use was in 1/98. I have a clearance with my job now but don't know if the previous drug use will disqualify me. I am going to just hope for the best.

[sotzo]

Was the oral board structured like most LE jobs or was there something special and distinctive about it?

[ChrisLe]

Was the oral board structured like most LE jobs or was there something special and distinctive about it?

I've taken several oral boards and have found them to be consistent in content. Sadly, I cannot go into details as I have been warned in that regard, but I can say that it was straight forward, thorough and completely professional in nature...There were no outward attempts at deception or at making you feel uncomfortable, but it was indeed thorough in nature....

[reddragon22]

ChrisLe, It seems as if you are well on your way. The following is quoted from the annoucement:
Applicants are encouraged to apply early since a referral list may be generated at any time on or after July 29, 2005. The initial group of Federal Air Marshals hired must be prepared to begin employment by August 22, 2005.

I'm wondering do you believe that a start date of tomorrow is realistic, because it seems as if your all done the process but yet there has been no final word yet. I am on the verge of applying, but I want to know that there is really hiring going on. I also would like to know, has anyone else gone as far in the process as ChrisLe and if so, where do you stand, or are you just at a biting your nails waiting period. Thank you :)

[Raven681]

for those who have received conditional offers, what are your backgrounds? I do not have any law enforcement experience and just wondering if I would qualify. I think the job sounds very interesting and respectable. I hear and read alot of bitching. I don't believe the lib media but I have heard from good sources that there is a high turnover rate. If I get the job I will gladly accept and be proud to serve. any thoughts are greatly appreciated. thanks to those fam's who are ringing in and providing some great info. as we all know this is a frustraiting process.


I was in the Military for 4 years and currently in the reserves. I was Military police and also a phoenix raven, been thru SERE school (combat survival school), water survival school and a few other schools that I did not volunteer for. Anyway I'm still waiting for a response to go thru the interview and the other steps. It's been a couple weeks since I received the last email to send the release forms for the background and medical.

[ChrisLe]

ChrisLe, It seems as if you are well on your way. The following is quoted from the annoucement:
Applicants are encouraged to apply early since a referral list may be generated at any time on or after July 29, 2005. The initial group of Federal Air Marshals hired must be prepared to begin employment by August 22, 2005.

I'm wondering do you believe that a start date of tomorrow is realistic, because it seems as if your all done the process but yet there has been no final word yet. I am on the verge of applying, but I want to know that there is really hiring going on. I also would like to know, has anyone else gone as far in the process as ChrisLe and if so, where do you stand, or are you just at a biting your nails waiting period. Thank you :)


Despite that the fact that FAMS is processing the first batch of applicants rather quickly, I believe the general consensus is that the 22nd was an unrealistic expectation on the part of Avue and/or FAMS, as I know of nobody (at least in the NY Office) that has completed the process. I, too, have not yet processed through all the steps as I have yet to take the psych exam (its in a few days)...I'm just going with the flow and hoping for the best. After all, that's all I can do....

[webjeep]

5+ years LE, 8 years a/d in the Corps as a grunt with a handfull of high speed low drag schools under the belt, a few years spent instructing weapons/tactics/water survival, leadership positions and got out as a sergeant (E-5), a little more than halfway finished with the BS, about 8 years experience as a firefighter (vlounteer), worked as a medic for a while (paid and vol).

Initial qualification for all pay bands, faxed in the releases a week or so ago, just waiting for the call or next email...

[Rolla]

I just got a call and have my interview next week. Does anybody know what the background consists of? Do they poly? I've taken a couple polys and passed no problem just in the BG stage now with them, but Im just curious.

[raven52]

All that I know is there is no poly. The background is probably like most and looks into past drug use, alcohol problems, legal problems, and financial issues. They will probably go to previous employers and social references. Congrats on the interview. When did you get your conditional offer? I am wondering what kind of timeframe we're looking at here. I still haven't received the fingerprint request email.

[Rolla]

I got the conditional on 04 AUG, then received the e-mail regarding finger prints and medical exam last night. Then got a call around 3pm to schedule the interview so it seems they are moving very fast.

[ChrisLe]

When did you get your conditional offer? I am wondering what kind of time frame we're looking at here. I still haven't received the fingerprint request email.

My post on the previous page outlines the time frame by which I received everything from Avue/FAMS..

[raven52]

Does anyone have any idea about how many people are applying for these positions. I know that is not something you can usually find out with a position like this. I read that after 9/11 they had like 200k applicants.

[gonefishin]

Does anyone have any idea about how many people are applying for these positions. I know that is not something you can usually find out with a position like this. I read that after 9/11 they had like 200k applicants.


A friend of mine who is a FAM said they were getting something like 2000 applications a day...I still wonder how many people actualy got the conditional offer....

[sotzo]

I have my oral on Wed afternoon in LA. 6 hour drive for me :D

I hope I impress them :rolleyes:

[FemaleFed]

Got a recorded message while answering my cell phone stating it was a "Federal connection and you will not be charged for this call....to accept this call...."
then my d#$% cell phone disconnected because it went out of range!!! Can those of you who got phone calls from them for interview set ups, etc. please tell me if it started out as a recording such as this?

Thanks in advance.


It also came across caller ID as "NO CALLER ID". So I couldn't even call back. :confused:

[sotzo]

I just got a regular message on my cell phone, with a call back number. It seems like the field office closest to your home makes the call to setup the interview. So if you know the number to your local office, give them a call.

[reddragon22]

Well goodluck sotzo with your interview today, hope it goes well. Also goodluck to all others in the process. It seems as if they are moving people quickly through process. Although they said in annoucement they were looking for candidates to be prepared for aug.22nd. I wouldnt imagine that a start date is that far away if thats what they were aiming for. I know ChrisLe previously was just wanting for a psych exam. Hope it went or goes well. But it doesnt look like anyone has been hired yet or that they have narrowed anything down. I got an email from a friend who said he was finished with entire process and so were a few others who he happen to be going through process with. He is urging me to apply, but yet none of them have heard anything yet. So I am hesitant because although they are rushing applicants through process they dont seem to be hiring. I am always hesitant to apply to places, that are "accepting applications". That just means they arent hiring right now, but in near furture and so it will be several months before you hear anything. I dont like the wait, too tedious. LOL I'm impatient! But if anyone get's any new info please keep us all informed:)

[ChrisLe]

reddragon22,

I finally finished the prerequisites two days ago when i completed my psych. I also received some insight into the hiring process from my recruiter. As it stands now FAMS will be generating their first list of hirees on or about 31-Aug. Letters for those to be hired will go out on or about 05-Sep. According to my recruiter the individual field offices were told to finish processing those they want to hire by 29-Aug (physical, psych, interview, drug test, fingerprints, calling prior employers, etc) so that the hiree list can be generated. I don't know how other field offices are doing it, but the NY field office is vetting candidates via the physical and panel interviews and only scheduling those they intend to hire for the psych exam.....I'm hoping thats good news for me...

They are indeed on the fast track in hiring because they need to hire a certain amount during this fiscal year (before 01-Oct) or they lose funding. Those hired will not necessarily go directly to Flect due to seat availability. They will, however, work in the field office until a seat becomes available.....As stated earlier the process is moving very fast and they are indeed looking to hire as soon as possible......Hope this helps..Good luck to all....

[gonefishin]

My oral is this Friday....I also got the e-mail about fingerprints and calling to schedual a medical exam....so I called about the medical and theyshould be calling me back within the next few days with a date and time....good luck to everyone!

[gonefishin]

I just got a regular message on my cell phone, with a call back number. It seems like the field office closest to your home makes the call to setup the interview. So if you know the number to your local office, give them a call.

So how did it go?

[gonefishin]

I have my oral on Wed afternoon in LA. 6 hour drive for me :D

I hope I impress them :rolleyes:




Sorry...I quoted the wrong post...how did the interview go...not the call!!!!!

[sotzo]

I showed up for my interview, was a standerd panel interview. Standerd questions. After that I talked with two FAM's and they where explaining the daily duties of the job and how it can be come tedious and stuff... asked me if I was cool with all of it.

After that we did the psych test... it sucked... almost 700 question. "does my soul ever leave my body" was a question... wtf... anyway... After that the proctor escorted me out and before I left he said "You did very good in the interview." He was one of the panelists.

I am 22, got a few jokes from the FAM's in the office about how young I looked. They all seemed like a good bunch, but non of them where jumping for joy when I asked them how they liked it. I got the "Any day you return home alive is a good day" response alot.

[gonefishin]

I showed up for my interview, was a standerd panel interview. Standerd questions. After that I talked with two FAM's and they where explaining the daily duties of the job and how it can be come tedious and stuff... asked me if I was cool with all of it.

After that we did the psych test... it sucked... almost 700 question. "does my soul ever leave my body" was a question... wtf... anyway... After that the proctor escorted me out and before I left he said "You did very good in the interview." He was one of the panelists.

I am 22, got a few jokes from the FAM's in the office about how young I looked. They all seemed like a good bunch, but non of them where jumping for joy when I asked them how they liked it. I got the "Any day you return home alive is a good day" response alot.



Glad to hear it went well...I'll let you know how mine goes tommorow.....How did you answer the "does your soul ever leave your body???" just kidding....I hate those psych tests....good luck to you!!!!

[Serpico]

Are all psych tests pretty much the same? I took a TSA psych test and had questions like "Do you feel the darkside has granted you special powers?", "Do you see demons in the mirror", etc etc.. Pretty comical.

Also, is FAMS testing year round now? I've got all the KSA essays done and pretty much everything else in the app ready except for references, just waiting for the ok from a supervisor to use him.

Being that this is a Federal job, they dont have to follow the ADA right?

[gonefishin]

Are all psych tests pretty much the same? I took a TSA psych test and had questions like "Do you feel the darkside has granted you special powers?", "Do you see demons in the mirror", etc etc.. Pretty comical.

Also, is FAMS testing year round now? I've got all the KSA essays done and pretty much everything else in the app ready except for references, just waiting for the ok from a supervisor to use him.

Being that this is a Federal job, they dont have to follow the ADA right?


According to a current FAM I know it sounds like the psych test is pretty much the same as the one the TSA uses...I took that one and it sucked but I know I laughed a lot at some of the questions. It sounds like the first round of processing is for Wasington DC and New York...after that they will pull names as nessesary for opening. Don't know about ADA but I would think they would have to as it is a Federal law....dunno though...good luck to you

[Serpico]

According to a current FAM I know it sounds like the psych test is pretty much the same as the one the TSA uses...I took that one and it sucked but I know I laughed a lot at some of the questions. It sounds like the first round of processing is for Wasington DC and New York...after that they will pull names as nessesary for opening. Don't know about ADA but I would think they would have to as it is a Federal law....dunno though...good luck to you

So FAMS will give a similar test battery as TSA?

Writtens and then psyche but without the baggage screener test nonsense?

No PT? Am I missing something?

[sotzo]

From what I gathered from my oral board is that congress will only give the FAM's more funding if they reach a certain number of people by Oct. There may not be enough seats for the training in New Mexico by that time, so they may higher people to do office work till there is an opining for training.


After the psych I need to visit a psychologist and get my medical and I am done with the process's they have outlined for me. Hopefully this will translate into a job offer fairly soon :)

[Serpico]

From what I gathered from my oral board is that congress will only give the FAM's more funding if they reach a certain number of people by Oct. There may not be enough seats for the training in New Mexico by that time, so they may higher people to do office work till there is an opining for training.


After the psych I need to visit a psychologist and get my medical and I am done with the process's they have outlined for me. Hopefully this will translate into a job offer fairly soon :)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but is this how it's went down so far?

Online app
Interview (structured 3 person panel) approx how long did it take?
Psyche (700 question packet then a meeting with a psychologist)
Medical (EKG, hair test, blood test, urine test, med history, etc)


I had forgot that I started an app with FAMS back in July. I got an email stating that they were starting interviews and that I needed to complete my app.

Was there even a written exam?

[sotzo]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but is this how it's went down so far?

Online app
Interview (structured 3 person panel) approx how long did it take?
Psyche (700 question packet then a meeting with a psychologist)
Medical (EKG, hair test, blood test, urine test, med history, etc)


I had forgot that I started an app with FAMS back in July. I got an email stating that they were starting interviews and that I needed to complete my app.

Was there even a written exam?

I applied and got an email telling me to fill out the background packet. After that I got an email with the conditional job offer and to make sure If I have not already to fill out the background packet. After that I got an email telling how to get my medical and finger printing done. I then got a phone call from the LA field office telling me I need to get down there for an interview (lasted about 30 minutes) and psych test. After that they gave me a phone number to the psychiatrist to make an appointment. I gave them a call but they had not received any info from the field office yet, so they said they would call me when they do.

There was no written test, I assume they looked at your writing skills in the application- since there where quite a few things to write about. There is also no physical agility test, which seems kind of odd to me. (During the medical the doc has to see if you can do certain motions that you would use during the job)

[SkyCop418]

I must say I have enjoyed working hand in hand with most of the FAMS I come across. I work out of IAD, and we see them ALOT. Also had a class put on by them and It was top notch, I enjoyed it much. Also an off duty FAM helped out one of our Sgts one time. Sgt had gotten into a tussel with a dope head who tried to light his own car on fire and the FAM stopped and put a hurtin on the doper! Applause for the FAMS!

[Serpico]

I know you guys gotta remain tight lipped about a lot of your activities.. I've got a few questions, if you can answer them, cool. If not, well that's fine too.

Hypothetically, if I worked out of the NYC office, how many flights would I ride in a typical day? I read earlier that you begin getting paid 2 hours before your flight. Are flights always back to back or will I have a 6 hour unpaid layover sometime?

Typically, how many times a month do you attend inhouse training?

I've got no problem being away from home for extended periods of time, but is it ever really excessive? For example, will I be away from home for 4+ weeks?


For all you guys who just sent in apps and got conditional offers.. How long was the wait between sending in the app and getting called for the panel interview??

Thanks

[sotzo]

The wait from the online app to getting the oral board was about 3 weeks.

They told me they train once every two weeks.

[gonefishin]

Well, panel I had my panel interview today along with the psych test and a whiz quiz (drug test). I had a really good feeling about the interview....It was not as intimidating as I thought it would be. Whats the deal with seeing a Psychologist? Nobody that I tested with today saw one or was told anything about seeing one? Is it going to be part of the process for everyone? Oh...and my brain feels like a bowl of pudding after that psych test!!!

[Serpico]

Well, panel I had my panel interview today along with the psych test and a whiz quiz (drug test). I had a really good feeling about the interview....It was not as intimidating as I thought it would be. Whats the deal with seeing a Psychologist? Nobody that I tested with today saw one or was told anything about seeing one? Is it going to be part of the process for everyone? Oh...and my brain feels like a bowl of pudding after that psych test!!!

So you got the orals, psych, and **** test out in one day? They're not playin around, are they? haha How long was the entire process? What did the orals consist of? The typical "Why do you want to be a FAM"? stuff? Background? ect.... Was it a pretty calm interview or did they pull the USSS in your face tactics?

Sotzo, How long after you did the orals before the psychologist interview?

[sotzo]

The interview was pretty relaxed. Standard questions trying to find out what you know, how you write, how you talk, how you deal with pressure, team work... things like that.

They gave me a sticky note on the way out of the psych test that said "Psychologist" with an 888 number, the guy who gave it to me seemed to make a point of not telling me anything about it. I called it, they where expecting my call and they gave me another number to a local office and I scheduled it on the first day they had time (Sept 13).

I am curious when they will start doing the background check.

[Serpico]

The interview was pretty relaxed. Standard questions trying to find out what you know, how you write, how you talk, how you deal with pressure, team work... things like that.

They gave me a sticky note on the way out of the psych test that said "Psychologist" with an 888 number, the guy who gave it to me seemed to make a point of not telling me anything about it. I called it, they where expecting my call and they gave me another number to a local office and I scheduled it on the first day they had time (Sept 13).

I am curious when they will start doing the background check.

I was curious about the BI, too. What all do they have you fill out after you send in the app? Just an online personal history statement? How indepth is it? Am I gonna have to trace down the numbers of my elementary and junior high teachers?

[gonefishin]

Has anyone heard anything different about the number of people they intend to hire? I know that they were originally talking about hiring about 250 new FAMS but I heard from a current FAM that they might be hiring more like 500....anyone heard this rumor

[sotzo]

I asked how many they where hiring in the interview and they said "The exact number is classified but I can tell you it is a few hundred"

[Serpico]

I sent in my app and within a minute got an email back saying I need to fill out my BI. I followed the directions but it says I need to fill it out only when I get an email from avue.. Odd.

[sotzo]

Ya, that was kinda weird. It did not give me the option to fill out the backround info for a few days after that first email.

[Serpico]

Ya, that was kinda weird. It did not give me the option to fill out the backround info for a few days after that first email.

Am I going to need to hunt down phone numbers and addresses from anything further than the last 7 years?

[gonefishin]

Am I going to need to hunt down phone numbers and addresses from anything further than the last 7 years?


I believe for employment and where you have lived you will need to go back 10 years

[Serpico]

I believe for employment and where you have lived you will need to go back 10 years

How long did it take to complete that psyche test? Was it the MMPI?

[sotzo]

Most of the stuff was for 7 years ago.

The psych test took about 3 hours, there where 5 total tests we took, not sure the names of them.

[gonefishin]

Anybody heard anything about BI yet? I got a call from a guy in DC today looking for some phone numbers to past supervisors however I think he was only checking references because he said he was with FAMS and I believe that OPM does the BI's.

[0351]

My interview was Friday in Atlanta with gonefishin, and I still need a psych interview and physical, so that's stressing me out.

The basic rumors as I understand are that they are hiring so many people this fiscal year (by Sept 18), and so many at the beginning of the next (after Oct 1), and that it will be 200-250 people each hire, probably from the same applicant pool.

I was told anyone that hadn't interviewed by yesterday wasn't being hired, so I don't think it hurts anything if I say the psych tests were the MMPI-2 (the long one) and the PF16, and two or three other short ones. The MMPI is pretty interesting, I've studied it a bit, it even has subsets of questions to measure if you are trying to present yourself in a way you most likely are not... the superlative self-sresentation validity scales.

The applications background info requires that you go back 7 years, if you actually get hired, a top secret clearance will require all new forms and you have to go back 10 years, and people you know should be interviewed.

Good luck to all you who are waiting, I know it's frustrating.

[sotzo]

It does look like they wanted everyone interviewd by last friday. So hopefully we will all hear something soon. The waiting game sucks.

[gonefishin]

It does look like they wanted everyone interviewd by last friday. So hopefully we will all hear something soon. The waiting game sucks.

It does suck but it seems like they are moving a lot quicker than most other agencies!!!

[gonefishin]

If any of you get offered and you have a choice will you take DC or NY?

[sotzo]

I'd rather go to DC, but NY would be cool too.

[Serpico]

I guess I'm S.O.L. :(

Good luck, fellas.

[0351]

If any of you get offered and you have a choice will you take DC or NY?

Definitely NY for me, but I'm trying not to get my hopes up, count my chickens before they hatch, and all that, as with the number of applicants I'm sure they have it would be easy for them to narrow things down by passing over people not done with the entire process by the time the list is made.

but then again how many people are completely done, or know they will be by the end of this week?

[sotzo]

The medical people are taking a long time to sceduale me. I called them 8 days ago and they still have not been able to tell me when I can go. Hopefully it doesnt go any later than sept 13th.

[0351]

Call them again... and again... and again.

[ChrisLe]

Heard from several sources that a referral list will be promulgated on 31-Aug, and the hiring letters will go out on or about 6-9 Sep....Anybody know if only those that have completed all the prerequisites will be considered (I would assume so). Sadly, I was able to complete everything but the oral psych as we can't seem to get them scheduled any time soon :( .....Best of luck to all...

[Rolla]

So you think that because you couldn't get your oral test done that you wont be considered?

[sotzo]

I don

[ChrisLe]

So you think that because you couldn't get your oral test done that you wont be considered?

Not necessarily. That's why i posed the question. I do know there is a deadline at which point they will constitute the list of hirees. I also know there are quite a few candidates that have already completed the entire process. I was just curious if they were just going to populate the hiring list based on only those who have completed the process (on the deadline day) and not consider those who have not, regardless of qualifications. For example, those who would be placed higher on the hiring list (assuming equal qualifications) because they have veterans points would not be considered by virtue of the fact that they couldn't, for example, complete the oral psych in time....Again, this is all based on speculation and what I've been told from within.....That's why I posed the question...

[Rolla]

I agree with you on that one... I really wouldnt worry about anything because if they want you they will get you. I had my oral yesterday with the physc. tests and my medical is later this week and my oral will be after that because they are booked solid. So I will just bide my time and let it pan out.

[sotzo]

I think it will be best for our sanity if we don

[ChrisLe]

I need more distractions... any suggestions?

How about Ben & Gerry's Chunky Monkey? Always worked for me.. :D

[Rolla]

Just thinking of what the one Air Marshal told us yesterday was that would be hired from the list would be in by November... As for distractions go to www.big-boys.com funny stuff

[smurphy528]

Serpico, what makes you say that you are SOL?

[smurphy528]

0351, When you say that no one will be hired that had not interviewed by yesterday...are you talking about the panel interview or the psych interview?

Also, where did you hear about that "rumor?"

[smurphy528]

Has anyone received an offer to date?

Has anyone finished the entire process? (physical, panel interview, psych interview, fingerprints, etc...?)

[smurphy528]

Just to add some more chaos to the rumor mill...the word I received from the FAMs in my field office is that their hiring decisions would not be complete until 30 Sept. So I assume that as long as everything is complete before that date...you will be considered for hire. Of course that means that some hire letters will not go out until early Oct. Anyhow, my speculation is as good as anyone elses. Back to the miserable waiting game.

[0351]

0351, When you say that no one will be hired that had not interviewed by yesterday...are you talking about the panel interview or the psych interview?

Also, where did you hear about that "rumor?"

Panel interview, and it was one of the FAMS there. He may well have meant that Sunday was the last day they were doing interviews at that particular field office.

[gonefishin]

Here is my opinion.....I think they will generate a hiring list based on the panel interview and reference checks. I think the people they want to hire will get hired pending the compleation of medical, background etc. This offer will be much more firm than the original conditional offer. I have come to this conclusion for two reasons. One, I got a call yesterday from the FAM office in DC looking for phone numbers to past employers to do reference checks. Second, I am speaking for myself but I assume that this would hold true for everyone else but I have taken the earliest date availible on all componets that I have had to complete (for example the earliest availible medical I could get is Sept 12th). Anyhow the wait is killing me too.....I wonder how many current FAMS come to this thread to check out all of our speculation...and I wonder how ahrd they laugh!!!! Good luck to all!

[0351]

I wonder how many current FAMS come to this thread to check out all of our speculation...and I wonder how ahrd they laugh!!!! Good luck to all!
I wonder the same thing and whether or not they think we're foolish for trying or if it's more like whenever I have lunch where kids are going through MEPS to join the military... they aren't real people yet right?

[Big Sexy]

I come on on occasion, but to laugh with you not at you. ;)

[sotzo]

Here is my opinion.....I think they will generate a hiring list based on the panel interview and reference checks. I think the people they want to hire will get hired pending the compleation of medical, background etc. This offer will be much more firm than the original conditional offer. I have come to this conclusion for two reasons. One, I got a call yesterday from the FAM office in DC looking for phone numbers to past employers to do reference checks. Second, I am speaking for myself but I assume that this would hold true for everyone else but I have taken the earliest date availible on all componets that I have had to complete (for example the earliest availible medical I could get is Sept 12th). Anyhow the wait is killing me too.....I wonder how many current FAMS come to this thread to check out all of our speculation...and I wonder how ahrd they laugh!!!! Good luck to all!

Did they ask for phone numbers that where not on your original backround packet? Or where they trying to get more info than that.

[gonefishin]

Did they ask for phone numbers that where not on your original backround packet? Or where they trying to get more info than that.

One of the numbes to a past employer had changed and I didn't realize it...so I got him the new number. He also didn't have contact info for my most recent employer (which was on my background so I don;t know why he didn't have it)

[Serpico]

Serpico, what makes you say that you are SOL?

I just sent in my app 3 days ago and still haven't been able to access the background info part of the site. If what was said earlier about nobody being given consideration if they hadn't interviewed by last week is true, I'm S.O.L.
Seems like it might be a good chance he's right, most of you were able to fill out your background info within 2-3 days after applying, right?

Either way, not the end of the world, I can always take my Border Patrol exams in Sept or October.

[ChrisLe]

I just sent in my app 3 days ago and still haven't been able to access the background info part of the site. If what was said earlier about nobody being given consideration if they hadn't interviewed by last week is true, I'm S.O.L.
Seems like it might be a good chance he's right, most of you were able to fill out your background info within 2-3 days after applying, right?

Either way, not the end of the world, I can always take my Border Patrol exams in Sept or October.

Wait a few days and then try accessing the background investigation...I, too, was unable to access mine for a few days after initial application completion...

[Serpico]

Wait a few days and then try accessing the background investigation...I, too, was unable to access mine for a few days after initial application completion...

Thanks. I just checked again and I'm still unable to access it. The status of the position is still open and there's no closing date. Any idea how accurate that actually is?

[sotzo]

Lots of agencies accept applications on a permanent basis, regardless if they have an actual slot to fill. I am sure they will keep it "open" for quite a while.

[gonefishin]

Well....today is one of the many dates that we have heard that they are going to make a hiring list...hope we all made it on the nice list and not on the naughty list...good luck!!!

[Serpico]

Lots of agencies accept applications on a permanent basis, regardless if they have an actual slot to fill. I am sure they will keep it "open" for quite a while.

Gotcha.

Did you guys get an email stating that you could access the background info part of the site?

[smurphy528]

Who has had the psych interview already? What was it like? Good, bad, ugly? So what happens after the psych interview? More waiting?

If they are making a list (and checking it twice) today...Good luck to all and I hope to see everyone in NM soon.

S/F

[gonefishin]

Don't know about you but I think I am going to drop out of the Air Marshal process and buy stock in Exxon!!!!! Just kidding....I need this job in order to continue to operate a motor vehicle!

[sotzo]

Gotcha.

Did you guys get an email stating that you could access the background info part of the site?

yes I did.

[MPinBaghdad]

hey guys i applied and did the bi but i have a question with the change to the dress code is facial hair authorized now??
thank you

[gonefishin]

hey guys i applied and did the bi but i have a question with the change to the dress code is facial hair authorized now??
thank you

Not too sure on this but I think it depends on what office you work at......

[gonefishin]

Has anyone heard or have any idea if they are going to give the new FAMS any choice between NY and DC?

[sotzo]

Has anyone heard or have any idea if they are going to give the new FAMS any choice between NY and DC?

I asked that question during my interview, they said they didn

[sotzo]

I finally got my medical scheduled for the 9/12 and my psych for 9/13. I have to return to the medical center on 9/15 for the TB test. So hopefully I will hear something back from FAM's office in a few weeks :)

[0351]

I finally got my medical scheduled for the 9/12 and my psych for 9/13. I have to return to the medical center on 9/15 for the TB test. So hopefully I will hear something back from FAM's office in a few weeks :)
I envy you. I have to wait out this three day weekend at least without hearing anything about either.

At least I have tickets to the Auburn v GA Tech game tomorrow... I'm going to enjoy myself instead of compulsively checking my emails and phone for missed calls

[sotzo]

I envy you. I have to wait out this three day weekend at least without hearing anything about either.

At least I have tickets to the Auburn v GA Tech game tomorrow... I'm going to enjoy myself instead of compulsively checking my emails and phone for missed calls

lol... when my phone rings my heart skips a beat and I am always nervous when I check my email. Agh! :D

[ChrisLe]

lol... when my phone rings my heart skips a beat and I am always nervous when I check my email. Agh! :D

LOL..You aren't kidding. I work midnights and usually turn my phone off during the day when I'm asleep...No more! I now have to answer it in hopes its 'the call.' I can't get sleep worth of sh**t because all I do is answer the damn phone.... :eek:

[gonefishin]

LOL..You aren't kidding. I work midnights and usually turn my phone off during the day when I'm asleep...No more! I now have to answer it in hopes its 'the call.' I can't get sleep worth of sh**t because all I do is answer the damn phone.... :eek:

I had a number come up on my cell today out of area and it was someone calling the wrong number.....it ruined my day cause I thought it was "the call". has anyone heard any more speculation about hiring?

[ChrisLe]

I had a number come up on my cell today out of area and it was someone calling the wrong number.....it ruined my day cause I thought it was "the call". has anyone heard any more speculation about hiring?

Nope. All I've heard is that they intend to hire the first batch prior to the end of the fiscal year.....That only leaves 28 days. Also, FYI, when I received a call from Human Resources in D.C., the # came up as 'restricted' on my cell phone....

[sotzo]

haha, I also work midnight shift- the phone rings at 10 AM and I wake up to pick it up... wrong numbers are my enemies.

[Rolla]

Yeah I know what you guys mean about the cell phone thing, I had a "heart pounding" day yesterday, first my medical for Tuesday, then my psych will be Thurs or Friday. Then the phone rings and I get a call from an employer I had while in HS 6 years ago asking me if I knew the name or number for the BG people in Texas because the idiot manager on duty got my name messed up with some other bone head and gave me a qoute "horrible" reference and bad mouthed me, but they wanted to call and make it right. I tell you how can someone mixed up your name when they get a call from DHS? :mad:

[sotzo]

Yeah I know what you guys mean about the cell phone thing, I had a "heart pounding" day yesterday, first my medical for Tuesday, then my psych will be Thurs or Friday. Then the phone rings and I get a call from an employer I had while in HS 6 years ago asking me if I knew the name or number for the BG people in Texas because the idiot manager on duty got my name messed up with some other bone head and gave me a qoute "horrible" reference and bad mouthed me, but they wanted to call and make it right. I tell you how can someone mixed up your name when they get a call from DHS? :mad:

who called you? Your old job or FAM Dept.?

[gonefishin]

I figure by the middle of next week we should know something. I know that they have been checking references all this week cause I got some calls from past employers and I also got a call from FAMS in DC looking for some phone numbers....It sucks because just by reading the posts you can tell everyone is on edge!!!!! How did you schedual your meeting with the psychologist. I asked about it after the interview and test and they told all of us that the "medical people" would give us a call..... anyhow hopefully we can all meet later this month in New Mexico

[Rolla]

who called you? Your old job or FAM Dept.?

My old job called to appologize and see if I had a number to call, and also see what "action" I wanted to take. I got a call later saying they were able to track down the DHS person that called and change my reference to a good one. I just hope they didnt screw me. The medical people called me with a number to call to schedule the pshyc interview.

[Tinkertoys]

They should get rid of all the air marshals and just let full time cops fly free in exchange for the security.

Some cops join because they were beat up in high school, for crying out loud, for now, only Federal agents should be allowed firearms on aircraft.

[sotzo]

Some cops join because they were beat up in high school, for crying out loud, for now, only Federal agents should be allowed firearms on aircraft.

I agree, I dont think the averge joe cop has the training or skills to stop a hijacking.

[ChrisLe]

Well, I finally had my oral psych today.......Now begins the wait in earnest...Best of luck to all who applied.....

[sotzo]

Well, I finally had my oral psych today.......Now begins the wait in earnest...Best of luck to all who applied.....

how'd that go? They let you know if you pass on the spot?

[Mystikal]

I started the application process but after pulling my credit the other day and seeing I have a rating of "very poor" due to a foreclosure in 2003 after I got out of the military and couldn't find a job, a delinquency for a product bought for the house... and a judgement against me filed due to that delinquency, i am now skeptical. I have paid off anything else that went delenquent but that one item.. which I can't afford on my current lower paying salary and the life necessities needed for my family. What are the chances that this would really hurt me? I've got some decent experience with armed security (more experience than alot of smaller police departments with industry standard certifications), almost have a bachelors in criminal justice, and have previously held a top secret clearance that is now expired but have an inactive secret. Is this really gonna hurt me based on my experience?

[drepol]

I started the application process but after pulling my credit the other day and seeing I have a rating of "very poor" due to a foreclosure in 2003 after I got out of the military and couldn't find a job, a delinquency for a product bought for the house... and a judgement against me filed due to that delinquency, i am now skeptical. I have paid off anything else that went delenquent but that one item.. which I can't afford on my current lower paying salary and the life necessities needed for my family. What are the chances that this would really hurt me? I've got some decent experience with armed security (more experience than alot of smaller police departments with industry standard certifications), almost have a bachelors in criminal justice, and have previously held a top secret clearance that is now expired but have an inactive secret. Is this really gonna hurt me based on my experience?
I'd imagine that given that there is a HUGE need to utilize a government credit card (very often) the poor credit rating would be a major obstacle.

[ChrisLe]

how'd that go? They let you know if you pass on the spot?

It was painless. The psychologist was a down to earth guy who was not looking to intentionally make the process adversarial. And yes, he did tell me that I passed..

[Mystikal]

I'd imagine that given that there is a HUGE need to utilize a government credit card (very often) the poor credit rating would be a major obstacle.

I figured this would be the case. only reason I couldn't pay this crap off is because I couldn't find a job and it got so far over my head that recovery is almost impossible at this point. thanks for the info. I'm going to put in for it but i really don't have high hopes.

[Malice55]

I just got my login activated: I applied to FAMs on the 25thof last month...on the 28th I had my Conditional and have completed my BI...no word on an interview yet... How long should it take? I have a contact at my local HUB in Charlotte should I call if no word this next week. Based on some high speed stuff I did in the navy, I hope I have a good shot at it...Does the Militery background stand out over LEO training for this position or does it matter...

[sotzo]

I just got my login activated: I applied to FAMs on the 25thof last month...on the 28th I had my Conditional and have completed my BI...no word on an interview yet... How long should it take? I have a contact at my local HUB in Charlotte should I call if no word this next week. Based on some high speed stuff I did in the navy, I hope I have a good shot at it...Does the Militery background stand out over LEO training for this position or does it matter...

From what I heard they wanted everyone interviewd before or on Aug 19th.

[drepol]

From what I heard they wanted everyone interviewd before or on Aug 19th.
Everything I have heard and been told is the first batch of new hires needed to be interviewed before the end of august, not the 19 (most people did not interview until the last two weeks of august)

[Malice55]

So if you were not interviewed by the end of august , are they just suspending all interviews or do they go ahead and conduct them awaiting the next hiring batch?

[ChrisLe]

So if you were not interviewed by the end of august , are they just suspending all interviews or do they go ahead and conduct them awaiting the next hiring batch?

My understanding was that Aug-29 was the cutoff date for interviews to be completed by those in the pool from which the initial hirees will be chosen from. Those that they're rushing through the process so that they can be hired in this FY (Before 31-Sep)...I've been told that they will also be hiring in FY 2006, which starts Oct-01. Don't take this as gospel, its just what I've been told by my recruiter......

[Malice55]

Thank You for the information, I have not had much success in finding out specifics from my local HUB or any of the other Agents I know. They seem to be keeping a tight lid on the details. I will try to contact Avue to see if their are any details that they can share with me. I would hate to have missed the 05 hiring do in part to information we should have had in regards to the application time frame. If you have anyone whom you would say could assist me with information please let me know.

[0351]

Got a call today from a lady who identified herself as being with the FAMS.
She asked if I had sent certain things in and wanted to know when my medical was scheduled.
I wish I had more info than that, but at least things are being looked at and moving along.

[Malice55]

0351


Have you had your interview...

[olnacl]

nothing to see here

[Malice55]

It would seem that you are right! I can see no consistant pattern of proccess based on the information I have seen or have read on these forums.

I have 8 years Navy
2 recent contracts in Iraq for PSD
Current Security Clearance

But yet I hear of 1st year College grads with no real world experience getting picked up all over the Government.

[drepol]

It would seem that you are right! I can see no consistant pattern of proccess based on the information I have seen or have read on these forums.

I have 8 years Navy
2 recent contracts in Iraq for PSD
Current Security Clearance

But yet I hear of 1st year College grads with no real world experience getting picked up all over the Government.

Something that has always bothered me about these discussions is that it seems like many experienced people feel like they are entitled to a job. While working many years on the streets, serving in the military, and having a clearance are all great things, and valuable, they don't necessarly guarantee a person a job. If federal agencies only hired people with extensive LE experience, military, or other experience, they would be severly limiting their effectiveness. Diversity is the name of the game. HAving FBI agents with accounting backgrounds is obviously advantagous, as is having other backgrounds that would help an agency. While it is frustrating, I truly believe that federal law enforcement is a place for people with all kinds of backgrounds, from recent college graduates, to lawyers, to teachers, to former SWAT, and to that end, many people (with tons of experience, and virtually none) will get hired, and an equal number will not. Its not random, but people like us will probably never figure out what the 'formula' is :D

[olnacl]

nothing to see here

[drepol]

I have never felt "entitled" to anything. I have worked hard for everything I have and have done.

My point was, that it is hard to tell what the FAMs are looking for.....right after 9/11 when they were trying to get as many qualified bodies on board airplanes as fast as possible, you would have thought that they would want those who already had some skills but they were hiring people with no skills and passing over those with who had some.

Now that they have some breathing room...who knows what they are looking for?
I dunno either, just anxious to see :D
p.s. sorry if I jumped down your throat

[Malice55]

I agree with your take on what the job requires...I think that everyone should get a shot at defending his or her country if that is there chosen calling. I would however ask you this, if you were standing up a Front line group of federal agents that the primary mission is to ensure that little johnny didnt get his head cut off, or that aunt sallie didnt get hijacked over DC while on her way to the family reunion. Would you not want people in place who had some practical experience with dealing with potentially life threatening situations? You get alot of time to account what should have been done or could have been done after the bodies are tallied.
If I may restate my point, I dont think that anyone should be overlooked when it comes to being hired, I only feel that you should stand up a ready force prior to making it an open position.

No hard feelings intended.

[Malice55]

I hope that nobody gets all worked up over my post ...Hey! at this point I am a wannabe just like the rest of you guys trying to get on with the FAMS. I hope one day we can all bring our respective talents to the table.

[gonefishin]

Got a call today from a lady who identified herself as being with the FAMS.
She asked if I had sent certain things in and wanted to know when my medical was scheduled.
I wish I had more info than that, but at least things are being looked at and moving along.


I got the same call. I asked her if she knew when they would be hiring the "first batch" but she told me that another office does that and she was not sure. Have you heard anything about oral psych exam yet?

[Malice55]

No, I have not heard anything in reference to the oral, or the psych. The lady I spoke with was pleasant but she was obviously not going to give any detailed information such as dates...

[0351]

I got the same call. I asked her if she knew when they would be hiring the "first batch" but she told me that another office does that and she was not sure. Have you heard anything about oral psych exam yet?
From what I've heard, it takes 7-10 days normally to get that call... so the holiday weekend fell into that time frame for us. Not too anxious over that, I would just like to know when things are happening, like everyone else.

As for the "what fams is looking for"/qualification discussion, there's not going to be anything new brought up here, and it's all conjecture on our parts.
I bring more to the table than a BA degree, and I'm confident in my ability to do the job to the extent of what we know the job entails, and I hope anyone else hired can say the same.
I definitely wouldn't want to have to rely on a vast majority of the people I've had classes with.

[0351]

From what I've heard, it takes 7-10 days normally to get that call...
and I was right, got the call to schedule my psych today. So I'll have everything done on my side of things on the 15th.

[gonefishin]

Anybody have any idea if they have started BI's yet? I would assume that if they have I would have heard from some of the people that I put down on the BI forms (Everyone has some smarta@$ friend that they used as a reference that will call you right up and tell you they told the investigator that you are a crack dealer) I know they called references but outside of that I wonder if they have started BI's

[BuffordTJustice]

I guess I was a late bloomer. I found out about this whole thing last saturday, over the holiday weekend. I applied anyway, got the conditional offer..etc. Completed the background and faxed a few forms.
This morning i was called by the FAM service and told to report next week for my interview, etc. My current supervisor (as well as my previous supervisor) called me right after I received the initial call. Both supervisors told me the FAM's called them and were in the process of my initial background.

I am not too sure what to expect, I am just on cruize control..

if some of you are worried about the initial hire date being closed, etc. Dont stress...I dont beleive the federal government would spend time, money, resourses, and manhours doing interviews, paying for doctors to evaluate you, and paying their personnel top dollar to sit in a stuffy office just to interview you....for nothing

Stay the course.
Good luck to all of you and stay safe!

[kokopelli]

so...some people apply the day it opens, and get an interview scheduled, goes to medicals, etc... and others apply 3 days ago, and get the same offer and sent through the process. hmm...makes you wonder how serious these 'conditional offers' are.

[flexible]

I recently applied and received a e-mail stating that I have a "conditional offer of employment" also. I received it minutes after submitting my application. I believe anyone and everyone who submitted a complete application received an email like this. The condition, in the long run, is if they offer you the job! :0)

Everyone who is worried about getting hired.....I believe they are trying to hire the guys now for DC and New York. After that, if you put you were willing to relocate, they will start the hiring for the other areas. So if your not hired with the first guys, it doesn't exactly mean you won't be hired at all.

[BuffordTJustice]

Has anyone been offered a confirmed job offer with a start date?
Just wondering since the cut off date is/was October.
Thanks and stay safe

[drepol]

no one has becuase the list from Avue of people who are finished with the process has not been forwarded to FAMS yet (got this straight from Avue)

[aznachocheze]

You sound like a former BPA.

[aznachocheze]

None, but I have stayed at a Holiday Inn once. Tactics and arrests made are apples and oranges.



Dude, you have no idea of my real world experience. If I offended you, good, you deserved it. You come off with a comment about getting rid of air marshals, and to let YOU(you made a comment about local officers, but you meant you) freeload a seat on an aircraft. You want a free ride on a plane, join up and become a marshal. I didn't come off disrespecting local officers. If I have, it wasn't my intent, my intent was with you. You made the asinine comment and continue to do such. You disrespected us, first, I'm just responding.



I'm still waiting for you to NOT state the obvious.



As a Air Marshal, no sir, I have not arrested anyone by gunpoint. As a federal officer, with over 10 years of experience, yes I have, several. I've also been in four shoot outs and shot once. I've also made drug seizures in the thousands of pounds, arrested drunks, pedophiles, rapist, murderers, smugglers etc, etc. I don't know what makes you think that your typical air marshal has never done anything, but ride in a plane. You need to seriously check your facts officer, or, get some better snitches. The ones you have, have been steering you wrong.



I just compared myself to you. How do I stack up now.

Hey Welpe, I didn't know you posted here. Thanks for the warm welcome. I see everyone here isn't making uninformed comments.


you sound like a former BPA.

[0351]

Saw on another forum that calls are going out now for new hires... wish I was done with the process...

[gonefishin]

Saw on another forum that calls are going out now for new hires... wish I was done with the process...


Which forum did you see that on?

[0351]

Which forum did you see that on?
http://www.911jobforums.com/vB/showthread.php3?t=48285&page=9

[gonefishin]

Saw on another forum that calls are going out now for new hires... wish I was done with the process...


I think we will get calls after we are done with the process...why else would they put us all the way through he entire process....I am just going to try to keep it positive and hope I hear soon!!!!

[smurphy528]

Ladies and Germs,
Ya'll might want to check out this website...it looks as if the job offers have started.

http://www.911jobforums.com/vB/show...?t=48285&page=9

I'm sure this will make the whole waiting game even more "fun". Congrats to those who have made it...and good luck to everyone (including myself). Can you wish yourself good luck? :confused:

[deputydls]

i just found this forum last night, i also found out that avue posted someone elses background releases to my application and it was "lost in limbo" they said that it was no big deal and they were going to generate a new list soon.
my contact at the fams said that interviews are now ongoing in our reigon and he said it's not too late....hopefully he's right. just wondering if anyone else had similar complications with avue.

[sotzo]

edited... because it wont let me delete

[80cop]

Does anyone know how long it takes to hear from FAMS after you pass the psych test?

[0351]

Does anyone know how long it takes to hear from FAMS after you pass the psych test?
written or oral? I think written has been 7-10 days for most people, before they tell you who to call to set up an appointment to see a psychologist.
for the oral... if it's the last thing you have to do, you won't hear from them until they decide hire you, as far as I know.

[80cop]

Thanks for the information. Seems like people had been hearing already so I did not know if they would call right away!

Also does anyone know what the Air Marshals physical standards are for FLETC?

I am sure they will tell us when we get chosen but I think it would be great to know in advance.

[0351]

from the site for artesia fletc - artesia (http://www.fletc.gov/artesia/trng_info.htm#Physical%20Training%20Requirements%2 0-%20All%20Students)

During several Basic Police Training Programs and Advanced Training Programs, you are required to complete the Physical Efficiency Battery (PEB). The PEB consists of five physical fitness items that are performed during a single, physical fitness evaluation session. The PEB measures body fat (skin fold technique), flexibility (sit and reach test), speed and agility (Illinois agility test), upper body strength (bench press), and aerobic capacity (1.5 mile run).

not sure how well you have to do, but I'm pretty confident I can do extremely well on all of those...

[PPD668]

Where else can you aply other then Avue?

[drepol]

no where...Avue is the only place to apply to FAMS

[gonefishin]

Has anyone heard of anyone failing the panel interview? It seems like everyone that went to the interview has continued on with the process.

[80cop]

Has anyone heard of anyone failing the panel interview? It seems like everyone that went to the interview has continued on with the process.

One you have finished the psych or the medical the next step is just waiting.

I wonder how they will decide? I did not hear anyone in Boston say that they had failed the panel interview. Before the interview we had been told we would have the medical and psych.

[kb31516]

Has anyone heard of anyone failing the panel interview? It seems like everyone that went to the interview has continued on with the process.

My buddy who interviewed in DC told me 15 interviewed and 9 stayed to take the Psych Test. When I interviewed in Atlanta everyone made it through the Interview and took the Psych Test. About 12 people interviewed in Atlanta that day.

[sotzo]

I just finished the process yesterday (9/13). I guess Avue receives the results of the blood test directly. Now I guess I play the waiting game.

[Rolla]

I just finished everything up yesterday also, I wonder though, I never got a call from HR like alot of others asking me when I was suppose to have any of my exams, so I wonder how high I am on the list????

[0351]

I just finished everything up yesterday also, I wonder though, I never got a call from HR like alot of others asking me when I was suppose to have any of my exams, so I wonder how high I am on the list????
I wouldn't worry about it for 2 reasons. first, there's a lot of applicants, I don't think it would make sense for them to contact all of them, and the sample could have been random. 2nd, if you finished everything yesterday, odds are good they were already informed of the dates for your physical and psych and didn't need to ask you. Don't stress too much.

[Rolla]

I wouldn't worry about it for 2 reasons. first, there's a lot of applicants, I don't think it would make sense for them to contact all of them, and the sample could have been random. 2nd, if you finished everything yesterday, odds are good they were already informed of the dates for your physical and psych and didn't need to ask you. Don't stress too much.


Thanks, and I guess I answered my own question, I just got a call from FAMS asking when everything was, I told her that I was finished and she wanted the phone numbers of the places so she could get my info asap. Also is there a different background investigation after you get hired or is it being done now??

[0351]

Also is there a different background investigation after you get hired or is it being done now??
after you get hired you have to get a Top Secret clearance... you'll have to provide a lot more information and there will be a more in depth search into your past

[gonefishin]

I did not hear anyone in Boston say that they had failed the panel interview. Before the interview we had been told we would have the medical and psych.

I heard from a friend of mine who is a FAM in the Boston office that one guy showed up for the interview wearing a t-shirt and shorts.....so I would assume that there is at least one less person in the running that interviewed in Boston!!!

[80cop]

Has anyone who interviewed in Boston received a call from the FAMS saying that they have a specific date to report?

[reddragon22]

First off I would like to say congrads to all those who have been hired. I myself have just completed the process. I got a call from a buddy of mine here in FL and he said that he got his call yesterday afternoon to be hired. But he has to relocate to the DC office. So they however only seem to be hiring for NY and DC office for right now, they are hiring candidates from all over, so everyone keep up hope. On another note, my buddy said a friend of his in FAMS said they werent hiring any women, which I don't know if its true or not, but that seems to be the true words heard from a current FAMS to a new FAMS. So if there are any ladies out there waiting, I wouldnt hold my breathe if that info is true, which I dont kow why they would lie. But anyway again Congrads to all hired thus far and goodluck to those still playing the waiting game like myself.

[sotzo]

First off I would like to say congrads to all those who have been hired. I myself have just completed the process. I got a call from a buddy of mine here in FL and he said that he got his call yesterday afternoon to be hired. But he has to relocate to the DC office. So they however only seem to be hiring for NY and DC office for right now, they are hiring candidates from all over, so everyone keep up hope. On another note, my buddy said a friend of his in FAMS said they werent hiring any women, which I don't know if its true or not, but that seems to be the true words heard from a current FAMS to a new FAMS. So if there are any ladies out there waiting, I wouldnt hold my breathe if that info is true, which I dont kow why they would lie. But anyway again Congrads to all hired thus far and goodluck to those still playing the waiting game like myself.

If that is the truth and it becomes public knowledge they will have a HUGE lawsuit on their hands.

[80cop]

If that is the truth and it becomes public knowledge they will have a HUGE lawsuit on their hands.

I heard the complete opposite. Looks like they will be hiring alot of women. I know a couple that had been interviewed and are going through the process.

[reddragon22]

I heard the complete opposite. Looks like they will be hiring alot of women. I know a couple that had been interviewed and are going through the process.


As true as that may be, I talked to my friend and from what he told me, that none are being considered for the actual hiring. Everyone who got a COE has one way or another gone through the process, but that doesnt mean everyone is getting hired, but I was as shocked to hear that as most, but my question is why would someone from FAMS tell him this if it wasnt true?

[kokopelli]

it seems to me that all the calls that went out were made on Monday-anybody know if this is true?

[sotzo]

it seems that way.

[drepol]

I got my job offer/ 'the call' on tuesday :cool:

[gonefishin]

I got my job offer/ 'the call' on tuesday :cool:


Congrats!!!!!....where they sending you?

[gonefishin]

Has anyone heard anything at all lately....last week it seemed that a bunch of people were going to get hired then....nothing...sounds like onlya handful of people got calls....

[Rolla]

I got a call from the medical branch telling me I passed everything and they would send my packet forward...whatever that means

[0351]

some quality info from a new hire:
http://www.911jobforums.com/vB/showthread.php3?t=48440&page=10&pp=15

[gonefishin]

some quality info from a new hire:
http://www.911jobforums.com/vB/showthread.php3?t=48440&page=10&pp=15


Thats some good info...thanks...anyhow I finally finished "the process" today with the compleation of my psych exam....so I expect my call tommorow(if only it was that easy)

[gonefishin]

I see on the 911 jobs forum that ChrisLE got his call today. He's heading to the NY field office. Let me be the first to say congrats...and the rest of us hope to be getting the call real soon!!!!

[Big Sexy]

my buddy said a friend of his in FAMS said they werent hiring any women, which I don't know if its true or not, but that seems to be the true words heard from a current FAMS to a new FAMS. So if there are any ladies out there waiting, I wouldnt hold my breathe if that info is true, which I dont kow why they would lie.
It's not that they would lie, but this is a stupid statement. Your friend of a friend is talking out of his posterior if he's making such a claim. I'm not just a guy who plays Fam on t.v., I am the real deal and can say unequivocally this is false. Ladies (and gentlemen), as long as you have the qualifications and the right attitude, you can become a Fam, FBI, DSS or whatever.

Anyway, congrats to all, if any here, who've been selected. I'll see you at the hotel bar. ;)

[gonefishin]

Anyway, congrats to all, if any here, who've been selected. I'll see you at the hotel bar. ;)


You'll see me at the hotel bar irregardless if I get selected or not!!!

[Big Sexy]

You'll see me at the hotel bar irregardless if I get selected or not!!!
:confused: :confused:

[reddragon22]

It's not that they would lie, but this is a stupid statement. Your friend of a friend is talking out of his posterior if he's making such a claim. I'm not just a guy who plays Fam on t.v., I am the real deal and can say unequivocally this is false. Ladies (and gentlemen), as long as you have the qualifications and the right attitude, you can become a Fam, FBI, DSS or whatever.

Anyway, congrats to all, if any here, who've been selected. I'll see you at the hotel bar. ;)




Although this may have been true for the current FAM females working, im hearing for a fact that what was told to me is true. not only that a couple of days ago i was told more info that puts a nail in the coffin so to speak. I was told by my friend and this is just one of the many i was told. A young lady who went through the whole entire process finished on aug. 17, which is nearly more than 2 weeks to a month of when current men hired finished, but was bumped over numerous times for men.(and will continue to get bumped) i was told she had all the qualifications if not more than some of the men that were hired. did excellent in all phases, but because she is a "she" no job offer will be given. she is local to one of the field offices doing major hiring(ie ny/dc)
again being bumped for men who have to relocate over 2000 miles. to me that seems awful suspicious that they would rather have men come in from 2000 miles away, then take a qualified woman who met all their expectations. so like all the men she is sitting by the phone waiting on a call she will never get. although i wish i could agree to what ur saying big sexy, just smells too funny

[soxfan]

Hey guys/gals I'm new here. I have been following for a week now waiting for account to validate. I tooooooo have completed everything about 2 weeks ago and waiting for the call. Good luck to everyone

[Big Sexy]

I was told by my friend and this is just one of the many i was told. A young lady who went through the whole entire process finished on aug. 17, which is nearly more than 2 weeks to a month of when current men hired finished, but was bumped over numerous times for men.(and will continue to get bumped) i was told she had all the qualifications if not more than some of the men that were hired. did excellent in all phases, but because she is a "she" no job offer will be given. she is local to one of the field offices doing major hiring(ie ny/dc)
So you heard about one young lady to whom they may or may not be blowing smoke not getting hired, which means not a single woman will be brought on. According to this friend of yours. Hell, he must be in Director Quinn's office to have that kinds of information. A well placed fellow indeed if he knows for a fact that the FAMS will not be hiring any females regardless of her qualifications. This here is a boys only club. If your friend is so high placed to have access to such information, since according to him it is FAMS policy, you should have him help some of these potential candidates right here on this forum get hired.

to me that seems awful suspicious that they would rather have men come in from 2000 miles away, then take a qualified woman who met all their expectations. so like all the men she is sitting by the phone waiting on a call she will never get. although i wish i could agree to what ur saying big sexy
Wether we, as in you and I, agree with it or not, here are the facts:


Title 29 U.S.C.

[drepol]

coming from a new hire, I can also agree with Big Sexy as to the ridiculousness of the 'no women' statement. Dont want to go above my new paygrade, but lets say I work in a co-ed enviornment, and the people around me are all new