Air Marshal Job Open !

[Ammo22]

Well all, I know I am still in the beginning processes compared to some of you all, but I got the email last night for my interveiw in Denver. I replied with the date I would like and I got it. Soon after that, I got my confirmation email for the date and time I wanted. Instead of going back through 80 some pages, can you give me an idea what is going to happen and the kinds of questions I can expect? :confused:

I have been paying attention to what everyone is saying and I am between a rock and a hard place. I can get out of the Army this August but it isn't looking like I will be hired by then. But if I reenlist with the Army, it is an indef contract and I am not sure what it will take to get out after I sign. In the mean time, I am just applying for local PD's. :( I was a local cop up until 3 years ago when I got back in the Army to help me finish college, but as those of you who are in law enforcement know, once it is in your blood, it won't go away. I can't stay active duty any more...I need my gun and badge back!!! :D

Nobody can tell you what questions to expect because that is like cheating and also because those of us that were interviewed were told not to discuss the questions with anybody. I can tell you that if you go to policeemployment.com there is a section about commonly asked questions that are asked during law enforcement interviews. You could look them over and study them. I know that at my interview in July of 06 we were told that it could be a long day (good) or a short day (bad). I was there from about 8 am to 5 pm but that was also because I had to take the MMPI-2 and the other psych. tests. From what people are saying on this thread the psych tests are no longer part of the process so it may be shorter. Also at my interview 15 started and 11 were there at the end of the day. So good luck.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

Do not worry about the oral. I was on the oral board last week in my office. The questions are easy if you have a good head on your shoulders. No law enforcement questions at all. Just basic stuff. Here is an example: Explain a situation you were in the past that you got involved in that was a very stressful, you had no supervision and you had to deal with it by yourself.

"There is a hint" and they are real basic questions. You could probably lie on some questions and there would be no way for us to verify it. My answer to above question for example: While I was in the Army during a FTX a soldier was run over by a tank. I used my training as a combat medic to stop the bleeding and prevented shock untill the helo arrived for transport. One guy last week answered the question kind of like that. Now how in the hell are we going to verify the event in question. Yes the guy was in the Army and a combat medic but the story was great! Bottom line. Do not sweat it! It is not that hard.

[homer]

Yes it is weird how things work out. it was worth the fine considering the guy after me in court charged with public urination was forced to pay $450 and i got to lump up a would be mugger for 200 while his buddy bailed on him. I hope I can still qualify for Fams with my limited police record.

[marinecop2]

Well all, I know I am still in the beginning processes compared to some of you all, but I got the email last night for my interveiw in Denver. I replied with the date I would like and I got it. Soon after that, I got my confirmation email for the date and time I wanted. Instead of going back through 80 some pages, can you give me an idea what is going to happen and the kinds of questions I can expect? :confused:

I have been paying attention to what everyone is saying and I am between a rock and a hard place. I can get out of the Army this August but it isn't looking like I will be hired by then. But if I reenlist with the Army, it is an indef contract and I am not sure what it will take to get out after I sign. In the mean time, I am just applying for local PD's. :( I was a local cop up until 3 years ago when I got back in the Army to help me finish college, but as those of you who are in law enforcement know, once it is in your blood, it won't go away. I can't stay active duty any more...I need my gun and badge back!!! :D

As previously mentioned from Ammo22 the questions on the oral are of a sensitive nature. After my oral interview I was also told not to discuss them. There was only 2 of us there in the morning. I interviewed first and was told to come back the following week for drug screening. Total time in office about 1 hour. Not sure how the other guy made out though. No psych test either. Not sure if they are still doing them or not. Haven't completed anything to date. From what I have been told though through my FO is they have been coming across some lousy interviews. I was told mine was a welcome relief. You have previous law enforcement and military experience. Don't sweat it like intheaircop stated. Just keep on truckin' and prepare for the long haul.

[FedLEBound]

Signal,

You can do what I did when I was waiting to get out of the Coast Guard...extend for any amount of time bewteen one month and six years. Its the military regualtions and the command has to allow you to do it. I would extend for six months initially and then se what fom there on in. Also let's say you extend for a year and you get the call for employment 3 months later, you can cancel your contract because you extended and not re-enlisted. If anyone ayas you can't they don't know about it...I've done it and so have personal friends in other services. Good luck.

[tdparmel]

A day without posts . . . . the hiring process must be really slowing down.

[marinecop2]

One day isn't so bad...One of the other forums has gone almost 2-3 days without any post...I'd say hiring seems to be non-existent...

[luv2spind]

I HAVENT HEARD ANYTHING JUST WAITING FOR THE WIND TO BLOW







One day isn't so bad...One of the other forums has gone almost 2-3 days without any post...I'd say hiring seems to be non-existent...

[Supersonic527]

I'm just glad there's enough college basketball on for the next 3+ weeks to keep my mind off this process.

[dtown101]

I'm just glad there's enough college basketball on for the next 3+ weeks to keep my mind off this process.\


I second that.....GO MICHIGAN STATE....and did I ever say that this waiting process SUCKS...

[FedLEBound]

Go Florida. Defending Champs and National Football Champs. These guys are good!

[Patrio72]

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I second that.....GO MICHIGAN STATE....and did I ever say that this waiting process SUCKS...

Go Green!

Go White!

Gotaa luv the Spartans getting it done at the Breslin Center in East Lansing!

[Xtreme]

Go Florida. Defending Champs and National Football Champs. These guys are good!

tru dat

war UF goin' back to back to back

[INTHEAIRCOP]

This is the kind of crap that kind of scares me. If they could do it then hijakers can too.

ORLANDO, Fla. - Police arrested a second suspect on Wednesday after an arsenal of weapons and 8 pounds of marijuana made it through a security checkpoint at Orlando International Airport. The weapons and marijuana made it onto a plane bound for Puerto Rico, WESH 2 News reported.

Federal officials said authorities arrested Zabdiel Santiago Balaguer on Tuesday night. That's in addition to Thomas Anthony Munoz, 22, of Kissimmee. Both are Comair employees.

Comair officials said they are working with authorities on the investigation. Munoz worked as a customer service representative for the past three years. He is accused of smuggling 13 guns, an assault rifle and 8 pounds of marijuana into Puerto Rico. Authorities said all of the items were in a carry-on duffel bag.

At some point, Transportation Security Administration agents in Orlando realized the weapons slipped through security and called police in Puerto Rico. Investigators arrested Munoz as he was picking up his luggage.

Comair officials said they perform background checks on all employees, and nobody is given access to secure areas unless they pass a federal background check.

Comair also said Munoz was not working during the flight. He apparently used ID and security privileges to sneak the guns and drugs onto the plane.


I heard that there was a team of FAMs on board.

[luv2spind]

If that was the case would ground be able to report to the flight informing the 2 Air Marshals. Afer notifying them would it be there rtesponsibility to obtain the suspect until ground unit take over?






This is the kind of crap that kind of scares me. If they could do it then hijakers can too.

ORLANDO, Fla. - Police arrested a second suspect on Wednesday after an arsenal of weapons and 8 pounds of marijuana made it through a security checkpoint at Orlando International Airport. The weapons and marijuana made it onto a plane bound for Puerto Rico, WESH 2 News reported.

Federal officials said authorities arrested Zabdiel Santiago Balaguer on Tuesday night. That's in addition to Thomas Anthony Munoz, 22, of Kissimmee. Both are Comair employees.

Comair officials said they are working with authorities on the investigation. Munoz worked as a customer service representative for the past three years. He is accused of smuggling 13 guns, an assault rifle and 8 pounds of marijuana into Puerto Rico. Authorities said all of the items were in a carry-on duffel bag.

At some point, Transportation Security Administration agents in Orlando realized the weapons slipped through security and called police in Puerto Rico. Investigators arrested Munoz as he was picking up his luggage.

Comair officials said they perform background checks on all employees, and nobody is given access to secure areas unless they pass a federal background check.

Comair also said Munoz was not working during the flight. He apparently used ID and security privileges to sneak the guns and drugs onto the plane.


I heard that there was a team of FAMs on board.

[luv2spind]

I have to go to school first to spell ....lol




If that was the case would ground be able to report to the flight informing the 2 Air Marshals. Afer notifying them would it be there rtesponsibility to obtain the suspect until ground unit take over?

[Supersonic527]

Some ICE and USSS applicants have been getting the call today. Maybe some other agencies under DHS will get it rolling soon....

[manstown]

If the ground knew that the people were carrying these things on board they would have never made it to the flight. And if it was found out after the flight took off, the FAMs would be notified and more than likely taken action.

[homer]

I just read the thread about polygraph testing and watched the video as well. I was not aware of the amount of errors produced as a result of the tests. I presume that is why they are not admissible as evidence in court. Is the polygraph test a requirement in the Fams application process? If not, was it in the past? Do other Federal agencies use it?

[marinecop2]

I just read the thread about polygraph testing and watched the video as well. I was not aware of the amount of errors produced as a result of the tests. I presume that is why they are not admissible as evidence in court. Is the polygraph test a requirement in the Fams application process? If not, was it in the past? Do other Federal agencies use it?

Fams process no...I know the Secret Service does for sure. Heard it was 6 hours long. Not sure about the other Fed agencies.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

If that was the case would ground be able to report to the flight informing the 2 Air Marshals. Afer notifying them would it be there rtesponsibility to obtain the suspect until ground unit take over?


I bet the FAMs had no clue what the hell was going on untill they got to PR. It seems that the FAMs are always the last to know what is going on. I have had police and agents waiting for my flight because someone was on the aircraft with a open warrant. We get to the gate and then the flight crew gets on the PA and says that all the passengers must stay seated untill further notice. Then 10 cops come on board and take a passenger off. This kind of thing happens all the time and we are never told. In my 5 years on the job the FAMs are the last to know and we are never kept in the loop.

[Ammo22]

I have a question for anybody that ACTUALLY KNOWS the answer. Being that there are about oh lets say 5,000 qualified applicants for the 200-250 FAM jobs. Lets say someone is number 251 on the list. If they hire 250 FAM for the year and are going to wait again till next year to hire more does number 251 move to number 1 or do they redo the list completly.

[dnehack]

People are added to the list based on a point scale. Even though you would be #1 right now, when new interviews are boarded you would be put in a spot as to where your points are. Contstantly changes.

[marinecop2]

I have a question for anybody that ACTUALLY KNOWS the answer. Being that there are about oh lets say 5,000 qualified applicants for the 200-250 FAM jobs. Lets say someone is number 251 on the list. If they hire 250 FAM for the year and are going to wait again till next year to hire more does number 251 move to number 1 or do they redo the list completly.


Let's just say these numbers are accurate. When will they begin calling people for the June class. Also, those who are still waiting on medical and physical will they finish us before the hiring begins to determine we fit in on the point scale.

[luv2spind]

Thats great you could be in harms way if any of them are mental in any way. Dont know what will happen until the flights over..

[manstown]

I have a question for anybody that ACTUALLY KNOWS the answer. Being that there are about oh lets say 5,000 qualified applicants for the 200-250 FAM jobs. Lets say someone is number 251 on the list. If they hire 250 FAM for the year and are going to wait again till next year to hire more does number 251 move to number 1 or do they redo the list completly.

I'm not sure. But I don't thnk they are going to hire after their number is met. What they'll probabaly do is keep it on file for the future. But they may also make you reapply when they hire again. INTHEAIR may be better to answer that.

marinecop,

From what was explained to me, they have plenty that are finished the process and those are the ones they are concentrating on for the next hiring frenzy.

[Tower]

So how does this point system work? I know there is categories such as recommended, highly recommended, etc. So there is a point system along with the categories or ? I just found out what it says on my packet as far as category goes. Anyone have more input?

[Supersonic527]

So how does this point system work? I know there is categories such as recommended, highly recommended, etc. So there is a point system along with the categories or ? I just found out what it says on my packet as far as category goes. Anyone have more input?

How did you find out what it says on your packet?

[Tower]

I had called headquarters and the FAM I spoke with was checking over my packet while I was talking to him. The reason he said something is cause he'd never seen what was on it before. Apparently it said "Highly recommended, Must hire". Which made me feel all warm and fuzzy for a minute or two until I realized he just got the office job after 5 years flying. Probably hasn't reviewed many packets yet. I don't know if I was supposed to know or not but I do now...

He also asked if I know some FAM's or have political connections and in which I do not. I guess I did well in the interview and my PTA scores were very high.

[dtown101]

I had called headquarters and the FAM I spoke with was checking over my packet while I was talking to him. The reason he said something is cause he'd never seen what was on it before. Apparently it said "Highly recommended, Must hire". Which made me feel all warm and fuzzy for a minute or two until I realized he just got the office job after 5 years flying. Probably hasn't reviewed many packets yet. I don't know if I was supposed to know or not but I do now...

He also asked if I know some FAM's or have political connections and in which I do not. I guess I did well in the interview and my PTA scores were very high.

i dont think u were suppose to know that...that fam could get into a lot of trouble by giving u that info....the only people that should be giving that out would be the HR dept....

[dnehack]

Tower, I am not saying you are right or wrong or maybe the FAM was just telling you what you wanted to hear. I think if your packet said everything you say or the FAM was telling you I think you would have been hired before the end of the FY06. My time line was after yours, I took the PTA after you, and I received the call in September 06 with a EOD. Just trying to tell you take what you hear with a grain of salt until you receive the call with a EOD. I was told the same thing and nothing to show well at least in FY07. Most of the time when you call they tell you what you want to hear because they have nothing to loose or just dont care about us. Good Luck!

[Hitz]

Tower, I am not saying you are right or wrong or maybe the FAM was just telling you what you wanted to hear. I think if your packet said everything you say or the FAM was telling you I think you would have been hired before the end of the FY06. My time line was after yours, I took the PTA after you, and I received the call in September 06 with a EOD. Just trying to tell you take what you hear with a grain of salt until you receive the call with a EOD. I was told the same thing and nothing to show well at least in FY07. Most of the time when you call they tell you what you want to hear because they have nothing to loose or just dont care about us. Good Luck!
That's not really the case, I spoke with Hr and the FAM applicant coordinators today to include a HR supervisor! I was told that my packet was also listed as Highly Recommended. They did not initially offer up this information but after reviewing my situation they were more than helpful!

[Bearcat357]

Tower, I am not saying you are right or wrong or maybe the FAM was just telling you what you wanted to hear. I think if your packet said everything you say or the FAM was telling you I think you would have been hired before the end of the FY06. My time line was after yours, I took the PTA after you, and I received the call in September 06 with a EOD. Just trying to tell you take what you hear with a grain of salt until you receive the call with a EOD. I was told the same thing and nothing to show well at least in FY07. Most of the time when you call they tell you what you want to hear because they have nothing to loose or just dont care about us. Good Luck!

I worked with some guys/gals that jumped over to the FAMs on a very short time-line.....along the lines of 3-4 months.

I would suspect it was due to backgrounds (Military and already had clearances) but it seems like with the FAMs there is no rhyme or reason on how they hire.

Two got picked up right away and three others were on hold for a while then got picked up......they were all going to the DC Field Office.....and they all basically had the same backgrounds.

[dnehack]

Tower and I have already spoke via PM. Bear you are correct there is no rhyme or reason to this process!!

[Supersonic527]

If anybody wants to PM me the HR number that'd be great. I might as well try my luck. Correct me though dnehack, did you say they asked you how you got the number when you called them back in regards to your EOD offer?

[kr1s]

INTHEAIR! Nutty story there! That would kind of give me the willies too. I just flew yesterday to Colombia and CBP was escorting someone on the plane and then asked who was going to be responsible for her.

The fact that the POTUS was in country yesterday made the flight a little more worrisome. I don't like to think too much about bad stuff when I fly but yesterday was time to think. And NO...Not a FAM for anyone wanting to ask questions...My job just brings me down south on occassion.

Kris

[dnehack]

Yes they did ask, but not every time I have called. It may have been the person that I talked to at that time.

[TheXandyman]

I finally had at least some development in this process. Got an email from Avue saying there was an unresolved med issue and I needed to call. I called the med processing center and the girl said I was the "700th person to call that morning" and that they were about to start hiring again. I spoke with a doctor who wanted to go over some possible issues, which he checked through and assured me were not a problem. He said he was forwarding me on.

So now of course my first question (semi-rhetorical) is, when will the freeze let up?

I wonder how far along I am, and how realistic it is to hope I get in this year. I've completed the application with COE, interview, MMPI, full medical, fingerprints sent in about 8 months ago, and apparently have to do the PT exam. But not sure what else.

What do you guys know about the rest of the process? I'd be thrilled beyond belief to get into the school this year...hell even next year if it came early enough for me to survive. I see there's no poly for FAMS? I just took the poly for VA Beach PD this past weekend and it's awful. I am about as crime-free as a human being can get, but they still said I showed "unusual activity" on some insultingly disgusting questions. I have become living proof that they don't work. (They did say I showed no deception though, fortunately, so I "passed" but still.)

So what do you think guys, do we have a chance finally? I'm former naval intelligence, 9 languages, double BA.

[kr1s]

So what do you think guys, do we have a chance finally? I'm former naval intelligence, 9 languages, double BA.

I think your experience may be better used elsewhere. Unless you're like me. Former Navy RM, 10 years IT experience, and a BS in IT. I just want to do something more meaningful.

I dunno..there is an alphabet soup of agencies that would be sure to snatch you up.

[Supersonic527]

So now of course my first question (semi-rhetorical) is, when will the freeze let up?

I wonder how far along I am, and how realistic it is to hope I get in this year. I've completed the application with COE, interview, MMPI, full medical, fingerprints sent in about 8 months ago, and apparently have to do the PT exam. But not sure what else.

What do you guys know about the rest of the process? I'd be thrilled beyond belief to get into the school this year...hell even next year if it came early enough for me to survive. I see there's no poly for FAMS?



You just have the PTA to complete so you're not far behind. After that it's sit and wait. A good sign is that they called you back to clear up medical issues because you can't take the PTA until you're medically cleared. It's hard to say if you'll make it in this year. There are a TON of people already done and waiting (and have been for quite some time). I think it all depends on how soon you are contacted again for the PTA. I know some people on here have stated that they have a list of people ready to call, so it might seem like a long shot to get offered something this year if you're still completing steps.

Again, I think it depends on when the calls start going on and when you do your PTA.

This has been debated about much on here, but classes are suppose to start up again in June. Many have thought March/April for calls to go out. It's really anybody's guess. Keep other options open though. Best of luck the rest of the way.

[Xtreme]

I think your experience may be better used elsewhere. Unless you're like me. Former Navy RM, 10 years IT experience, and a BS in IT. I just want to do something more meaningful.

I dunno..there is an alphabet soup of agencies that would be sure to snatch you up.

so you're former naval intelligence, 9 languages, double BA... and you want to be a FAM? why aren't you trying to get on with NSA or DIA? or the CIA? wtf? lol that's where i'd be headed...

[Tower]

so you're former naval intelligence, 9 languages, double BA... and you want to be a FAM? why aren't you trying to get on with NSA or DIA? or the CIA? wtf? lol that's where i'd be headed...

My thoughts exactly! What...is this guy sleeping? Surely he must have aspirations beyond sitting on his ***** and flying around in a giant lawn dart all day. But I could be wrong....

[TheXandyman]

You might think so, but our federal gov can be kind of inept sometimes. I've been turned down by FBI (can't pass their stupid advanced math entry exam...gee, think maybe a linguist's talents lie somewhere else possibly?), CIA (no grad degree, didn't impress them enough because I didn't read books from their "suggested reading list" before interviewing...I kid you not), NCIS (not competitive???), DIA (not competitive), NSA (not competitive) and State (not advanced based on KSAs).

So maybe you can see why I've become kind of frustrated with the feds. Hoping the FAMS can see a little more clearly and doesn't just look for candidates based on minority status.

[Tower]

You might think so, but our federal gov can be kind of inept sometimes. I've been turned down by FBI (can't pass their stupid advanced math entry exam...gee, think maybe a linguist's talents lie somewhere else possibly?), CIA (no grad degree, didn't impress them enough because I didn't read books from their "suggested reading list" before interviewing...I kid you not), NCIS (not competitive???), DIA (not competitive), NSA (not competitive) and State (not advanced based on KSAs).

So maybe you can see why I've become kind of frustrated with the feds. Hoping the FAMS can see a little more clearly and doesn't just look for candidates based on minority status.

Dude this boggles my freaking mind! You are not competitive with 9 languages and 2 BA's? Have you met any people that work for these agencies? Not to be derogatory or anything but are you sure you're presenting well?

[FedLEBound]

You might think so, but our federal gov can be kind of inept sometimes. I've been turned down by FBI (can't pass their stupid advanced math entry exam...gee, think maybe a linguist's talents lie somewhere else possibly?), CIA (no grad degree, didn't impress them enough because I didn't read books from their "suggested reading list" before interviewing...I kid you not), NCIS (not competitive???), DIA (not competitive), NSA (not competitive) and State (not advanced based on KSAs).

So maybe you can see why I've become kind of frustrated with the feds. Hoping the FAMS can see a little more clearly and doesn't just look for candidates based on minority status.

I agree man. I'm pretty far with the ICE Hiring Process and I only have one Bachelor's degree, seven years military, and one language. Something's amiss. Scetchy background maybe? I know about the low test scores and how that can hinder your chances. With your credentials though you should be a shoe-in almost ANYWHERE!

[TheXandyman]

I have considered everything. It's possible I'm not presenting well, but I don't know how that could really be.

And absolutely not on the background. I'm 100% clean, never arrested, never even touched pot, credit's 770, no points on my license, you name it. My TS/SCI clearance is still open too, that's gotta be a sign that I'm on "our" side.

Back to my troubles though, I know at least what happened with the CIA thing. They have turned out to be very, very weird and closed-minded. I was turned down after the interview stage by directorate of intel because they said "after reviewing my credentials we think you need to go back to school." LOL, who says that? I thought a Chinese studies degree and 5 years intel experience covered that. Not to mention, I fully intend to take the GI Bill as far as I can. But anyway, clandestine turned me down too, and I believe it's because I did not "do the reading." I really can't get over how fixated they are on that. They just have these matrices that you have to fit, and I think by my saying I only read one of the books on their list they equated it with "well then how can we expect him to follow orders to the letter." Silly.

As for our present topic, the FAMS, you guys may be right that it's not ideal for me, but I've had plenty of time to soul search, and I think it's something I'm ready and suited for...plus, my nature is solitary and I'm single, which might work better here than it would have at FBI or CIA, etc. Your suggestions are all very welcomed.

[Penumbra]

TheXandyman,
Check your PM bro.

[Supersonic527]

As for our present topic, the FAMS, you guys may be right that it's not ideal for me, but I've had plenty of time to soul search, and I think it's something I'm ready and suited for...plus, my nature is solitary and I'm single, which might work better here than it would have at FBI or CIA, etc. Your suggestions are all very welcomed.

It's obvious you want to utilize your language and/or intelligence background. If you're comfortable not really using those in the FAM position, and knowing what you want, go for it.

Have you thought about completing an online Masters degree? I've heard of many FAMs getting higher education once on board. Knock that out and put yourself back into processes like CIA, State, etc if you want.

We'll get your sorted out. :)

[dtown101]

It's obvious you want to utilize your language and/or intelligence background. If you're comfortable not really using those in the FAM position, and knowing what you want, go for it.

Have you thought about completing an online Masters degree? I've heard of many FAMs getting higher education once on board. Knock that out and put yourself back into processes like CIA, State, etc if you want.

We'll get your sorted out. :)
that guy who has 2 ba and speaks 9 different languages....dude you are overqualified for this type of job..you need to put in for the cia or something...not to sound like a ***** man ....if i had ur background i would want to use it in some other type of job

[Supersonic527]

that guy who has 2 ba and speaks 9 different languages....dude you are overqualified for this type of job..you need to put in for the cia or something...not to sound like a ***** man ....if i had ur background i would want to use it in some other type of job

I agree. It'd be shame to waste your proficiency in foreign languages. Just curious, what are the 9?

[Tower]

The languages I have, albeit complex and "useful", have yet to get me a job. They are as follows: Pig Latin, Yasa (Pygmy), English (barely read and write as you can tell), and my most marketable....I can read the code in the "Matrix".

So if I'm in the Matrix and a group of Pygmies try to hijack a plane rest easy my friends, for my 5 years of ninjuitsu training out of the Beverly Hills dojo with my Pig Latin speaking sensei have taught me well!

Why haven't I been recruited by some secret government agency to save the world?

[mbmx13]

The languages I have, albeit complex and "useful", have yet to get me a job. They are as follows: Pig Latin, Yasa (Pygmy), English (barely read and write as you can tell), and my most marketable....I can read the code in the "Matrix".

So if I'm in the Matrix and a group of Pygmies try to hijack a plane rest easy my friends, for my 5 years of ninjuitsu training out of the Beverly Hills dojo with my Pig Latin speaking sensei have taught me well!

Why haven't I been recruited by some secret government agency to save the world?
Tower,

I have telekinetic powers and I keep getting turned down by all of the alphabet agencies, they say there is no need for a man of my caliber. When will they come and take me again? (the aliens)

You wouldn't happen to know how I can get in touch with Moulder or Skully, would you? Nevermind, I already know the answer (my telekinetic powers!)

LOL HaHaha JK Love the comment!

[tua]

Tower,

I have telekinetic powers and I keep getting turned down by all of the alphabet agencies, they say there is no need for a man of my caliber. When will they come and take me again? (the aliens)

You wouldn't happen to know how I can get in touch with Moulder or Skully, would you? Nevermind, I already know the answer (my telekinetic powers!)

LOL HaHaha JK Love the comment!




Anyways... Has anyone gotten any calls in regards to medical or PAT exams recently???

[spookysco]

http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=66496

[INTHEAIRCOP]

I would of shot his butt! LOL

[Supersonic527]

Another slow week has officially turned March into a slow month....

[marinecop2]

Anyways... Has anyone gotten any calls in regards to medical or PAT exams recently???


Big no on this side. Still waiting for both to schedule.....

[Supersonic527]

Haven't seen much action beyond scheduling interviews.

[Tower]

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20070309-115306-3524r.htm

[Supersonic527]

Nice find, Tower. Very interesting. You know, another way to bolster numbers on international flights....would be to hire more FAMs. :cool:

[Tower]

Nice find, Tower. Very interesting. You know, another way to bolster numbers on international flights....would be to hire more FAMs. :cool:

My next article......

http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070303/NEWS/482/1036

[spookysco]

www.AirMarshal.US

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/bio/userletter/?id=2449&letter_id=1102801531

[TheXandyman]

Sorry, I was stuck in this airport snow fiasco. I had an interview in Pittsburgh and my flight to NY was canceled, and they were saying I would be stuck from yesterday until at least Monday! Screw that garbage. I took matters into my own hands, busted out my mil ID and begged anybody on the Avis line to take me to the NY area, for which I'd pay. A great guy and his kids were going to Newark so I got in with him and picked up trains from there to LI. Don't let the FAMS ever say I'm not innovative!

Anyway, my 9 languages are, in order of fluency: English, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Chinese, Russian, German, Japanese...and the 9th is a smidgen of Indonesian that's becoming more of a smidgen everyday, since I self-taught from a book and have never used it. Too bad my academic life never crossed orbits with anything Middle Eastern, that would have been way useful for FAMS.

I don't want to do online degrees, I'm kind of a snob about my education. But rest assured I will use my GI Bill. I really miss real education.

[marinecop2]

www.AirMarshal.US

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/bio/userletter/?id=2449&letter_id=1102801531

It seems no matter what agency you work for nothing is great regarding financial issues...however, the FAMS would be a huge increase for me compared to my salary working for the state.

[spookysco]

Me too.

Unlike others on this board I applied long ago, over 1 year or more. Recently got the call for interview / drug test on same day then rx'ed fingerprint cards 1 or 2 weeks later. Seems like it's not in order with what others are reporting.

Heard nothing since. Anybody know how to chk if print cards were rx'ed from fedex?

[magic001aj]

im new to the forum and wanted to share my progress as well.

I applied in may
panel interview in june along with a drug test and a 1200 question test.
Mailed fingerprints off in july. Medical evals in August. Mental eval in November and the PT test in December. I recieved a call the day after the test saying my packet was complete.... and then the WAIT>>>>>>

An air marshal i know said that they are letting current air marshals choose other offices they want to go to before they hire new ones... anyone heard anything else?

[Tower]

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/bio/userletter/?id=2449&letter_id=1102801531

Something I overlooked....

[Ammo22]

you can view your fingerprint cards on AVUE. Once they are received they will be posted on AVUE. I cant remember how to access them just try to find through trial and error. I am also sorry to say that many of you will be disappointed when hiring comes including myself. They have way more than enough people on their list that are qualified and are probably going to hire about less than 10% of the people on that list for the next class. I'm about ready to drop this process in the next few months if some other things work out. I am definately happy that I didnt just sit around for this job.

[tua]

you can view your fingerprint cards on AVUE. Once they are received they will be posted on AVUE. I cant remember how to access them just try to find through trial and error. I am also sorry to say that many of you will be disappointed when hiring comes including myself. They have way more than enough people on their list that are qualified and are probably going to hire about less than 10% of the people on that list for the next class. I'm about ready to drop this process in the next few months if some other things work out. I am definately happy that I didnt just sit around for this job.


Yeah, I never really thought I had much of a chance with FAMS so I applied for PA State Police and USSS UD. I am in the final stages with PSP and looks like I'll be in their academy in June. So there will be one less person on the list...

[Patrio72]

If they already know which applicants they want to hire and have selected the 250 applicants they want, why not just send the rest of us the thanks but no thanks letter? Unless there are not enough qualified people to choose from that have completed the process? I would hope that they would not just leave an applicant hanging that they already know they will not hire.

Patriot72

[signal1]

If they already know which applicants they want to hire and have selected the 250 applicants they want, why not just send the rest of us the thanks but no thanks letter? Unless there are not enough qualified people to choose from that have completed the process? I would hope that they would not just leave an applicant hanging that they already know they will not hire.

Patriot72

That is what I have found completely odd about this whole process. If they know who they want, I can understand having a pool for later classes, but this is out of control. They have, I am sure, thousands of applicants, 250 openings and they still leave the process open for others to come along. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

Also, from what I am reading from other posts, is you get the interveiws and then they continue on with the back ground process to include fingerprint cards. I don't have my interview until next month and I already had my cards sent to me a couple weeks ago, which I did and sent right back. Pretty nice having a digital machine right down the hallway. Maybe this has to do with my TS I already have...not sure. :confused:

[tua]

I had my cards filled out before I interviewed, it means nothing.

[manstown]

I know this is frustrating, and it at times doesn't make sense. But this is the Government you are all dealing with. There's no set standard. There's no set process other than to complete the process. If you get done everything, it doesn't assure you the job. As for the 250 people.....that isn't a set number. I don't think anyone actually has the set number of people they want to hire. There are many things that are holding up the hiring. One is the FFDO program. They have to requalify some of the pilots that started the process. Training instructors are running thin. Funding could be an issue.

You guys are getting frustrated because you finished the process and haven't heard anything. That's the nature of the beast anywhere you apply. The time frame may be different within agencies, but that's how they work. Is it fair......absolutely not. I think it sucks that some of you guys have been waiting as long as you have. It would be good for the agency to hire people that have the excitement that some of you have about the job. I can say for sure, maybe INTHEAIR can lend some information on this, but after the attacks they received a huge amount of applications for the job. And from what a friend of mine that was hired then has told me, after people finished the process then......they were never contacted. Yes, it could happen. What they may be doing is keeping a list of qualified applicants for later on down the road if or when they hire again. It has been said many times. And it is the best advice given........Keep going on with your lives until you hear one way or another. Act as if you never applied. Worrying about if the call will come or if my paperwork was lost is only going to drive you guys crazy! Apply to other places. If you get hired before, or if, you hear from the FAMS take the job. If the FAMS call and make you an offer, take it if you're still interested.

[Patrio72]

... As for the 250 people.....that isn't a set number. I don't think anyone actually has the set number of people they want to hire....


Manstown, I retrieved this from the 911 site's latest FAMS thread:

"I heard from one of the guys on our team who went to the meeting with the director regarding hiring. He said FAMs yearly attrition is 241. Therefore FAMs will NOT hire any more than 241 in any given year."

Now I do not know how accurate the infomation is but it seems that there are certain people who claim to be in the know. Since there is no way to verifiy the accuracy of information that is posted, it is difficult to seperate out fact from rumor or speculation on any of the forums. However I believe that the actual attrition numbers are probably not that static and fluctuate from year to year.

Patriot72

[marinecop2]

It seems as though a lot of people are considering that 250 hires along with 2 academies for this fiscal year is going to happen. From my experience with training academies they are usually no more than 50 recruits at a time. At least they are from a state government level. If the number is correct then that would be great allowing more of us to be hired this year. However, I can’t see how the Feds would have two academies at 125 per class. Can any current FAMS’ shed some light on just a round about figure on how large these classes actually are? Has anyone heard anything different on number to be hired and when classes should begin? One thing is for sure though, Manstown is correct. Just keep on living like you never applied because nothing is for certain until you receive that final call.

[DOAcop38]

www.AirMarshal.US

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/bio/userletter/?id=2449&letter_id=1102801531


funny thing- everybody M.F's the demos on being "soft" on terror and protecting the U.S.,yet when it comes down to WORKERS rights,pay and benefits,and job security- EVERYBODY cries to their local DEMOCRATIC office holder( just saw the article about pay descrepancies for FAMS) :rolleyes:

[manstown]

marinecop, can't say the number of people in the classes. That could be bordering OPSEC. But I will say this......it's definitely not 125.

Patriot72,
I understand where that information came from. I have spoken with the guy who does the recruiting in my office and he has said he's not sure of the number and neither is HQ. He did say that it's not going to be near 250. But until they get the okay to hire again.....I can't say one way or another how accurate any information is. Like I said it sucks not knowing. But don't drive yourselves crazy watching the phone. If they call they call. But apply to other avenues. If they call after those, take it if you still want it. Best of Luck to all of you.

[spookysco]

you can view your fingerprint cards on AVUE. Once they are received they will be posted on AVUE. I cant remember how to access them just try to find through trial and error. I am also sorry to say that many of you will be disappointed when hiring comes including myself. They have way more than enough people on their list that are qualified and are probably going to hire about less than 10% of the people on that list for the next class. I'm about ready to drop this process in the next few months if some other things work out. I am definately happy that I didnt just sit around for this job.

I just checked my account on Avue. Either I can't find the area to verify they were received or they just never received them. Any ideas where to look? I went through the site pretty thoroughly.

[manstown]

Call AVUE and see if they can't help you. When you sent them in, didn't you get a tracking number?

[spookysco]

Call AVUE and see if they can't help you. When you sent them in, didn't you get a tracking number?

I did, but in my experience all that tells me is some GS-2 signed for them, and they're not necessarily in the hands they need to be in...

[spookysco]

Just found this on another board. Why not just call all FFDO's FAM's if you're going to this extent. Unlimited carry, etc...

-----

This is an amendment to the current Homeland Security bill (2007) in front of Congress now.

The amendment is as follows:
(Purpose: To amend title 49, United States Code, to modify the authorities relating to Federal flight deck officers)

At the appropriate place, insert the following:

SEC. __X. FEDERAL FLIGHT DECK OFFICERS.

(a) In General.--Section 44921(a) of title 49, United States Code, is amended to read as follows:

``(a) Establishment.--The Secretary of Homeland Security shall establish the Federal flight deck officer program to deputize eligible pilots as Federal law enforcement officers to defend against acts of criminal violence or air piracy. Such an officer shall be known as a `Federal flight deck officer'.''.

(b) Authority To Carry Firearms.--Section 44921(f) of title 49, United States Code, is amended to read as follows:

``(f) Authority To Carry Firearms.--

``(1) IN GENERAL.--The Secretary shall authorize a Federal flight deck officer to carry a firearm on the officer's person. Notwithstanding subsection (c)(1), the officer may purchase a firearm and carry that firearm in accordance with this section if the firearm is of a type that may be used under the program.

``(2) PREEMPTION.--Notwithstanding any other provision of Federal, State, or local law, a Federal flight deck officer may carry a firearm in any State and from one State to another State.

``(3) CARRYING FIREARMS OUTSIDE UNITED STATES.--

``(A) IN GENERAL.--When operating to, from, or within the jurisdiction of a foreign government where an agreement allowing a Federal flight deck officer to carry or possess a firearm is not in effect, a Federal flight deck officer shall be designated as a Federal air marshal for the purposes of complying with international weapons carriage regulations and existing agreements with foreign governments. Nothing in this paragraph shall be construed to allow Federal flight deck officers to receive any other benefit of being so designated.

``(B) REQUIREMENT TO NEGOTIATE AGREEMENTS.--The Secretary of State shall negotiate agreements with foreign governments as necessary to allow Federal flight deck officers to carry and possess firearms within the jurisdictions of such foreign governments for protection of international flights against hijackings or other terrorist acts. Any such agreements shall provide Federal flight deck officers the same rights and privileges accorded Federal air marshals by such foreign governments.

``(4) DESCRIPTION OF AUTHORITY AND PROCEDURES.--The authority of a Federal flight deck officer to carry a firearm shall be identical to such authority granted to any other Federal law enforcement officer under Federal law. The operating procedures applicable to a Federal flight deck officer relating to carrying such firearm shall be no more restrictive than the restrictions for carrying a firearm that are generally imposed on any other Federal law enforcement officer who has statutory authority to carry a firearm.

``(5) LOCKED DEVICES.--

``(A) NO REQUIREMENT TO USE.--A Federal flight deck officer may not be required to carry or transport a firearm in a locked bag, box, or container.

``(B) REQUIREMENT TO PROVIDE.--Upon request of a Federal flight deck officer, the Secretary shall provide a secure locking device or other appropriate container for storage of a firearm by the Federal flight deck officer.''.

(c) Due Process.--Section 44921 of title 49, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the follow new subsection:

``(l) Due Process.--Not later than 90 days after the date of enactment of the Improving America's Security Act of 2007, the Secretary shall establish procedures for the appeal of adverse decisions or actions. Such procedures shall provide timely notice of the action or decision, including specific reasons for the action or decision.''.

(d) Identification and Screening.--Section 44921 of title 49, United States Code, as amended by subsection (c), is further amended by adding at the end the following new subsections:

``(m) Credentials.--The Secretary shall issue to each Federal flight deck officer standard Federal law enforcement credentials, including a distinctive metal badge, that are similar to the credentials issued to other Federal law enforcement officers.

``(n) Security Inspections.--A Federal flight deck officer may not be subject to greater routine security inspection or screening protocols at or in the vicinity of an airport than the protocols that apply to other Federal law enforcement officers.''.

(e) Reports to Congress.--Section 44921 of title 49, United States Code, as amended by subsections (c) and (d), is further amended by adding at the end the following new subsection:

``(o) Reports to Congress.--

``(1) REPORTS ON PROGRAM.--Not less often than once every 6 months, the Secretary, in consultation with the Secretary of State, shall report to Congress on the progress that the Secretary of State has made in implementing international agreements to permit Federal flight deck officers to carry firearms on board an aircraft operating within the jurisdiction of a foreign country.

``(2) REPORT ON TRAINING.--Not later than 90 days after the date of enactment of the Improving America's Security Act of 2007, the Secretary shall report to Congress on the issues raised with respect to training in Department of Homeland Security Office of Inspector General report OIG-07-14 that includes proposals to address the issues raised in such report.''.

(f) Conforming and Other Amendments.--Section 44921 of title 49, United States Code, as amended by sections (c), (d), and (e), is further amended--

(1) by striking ``Under Secretary'' each place it appears and inserting ``Secretary''; and

(2) by striking subparagraph (G) of subsection (b)(3).

[Lazer]

I just checked my account on Avue. Either I can't find the area to verify they were received or they just never received them. Any ideas where to look? I went through the site pretty thoroughly.


Logon to Avue, go the background check section, click on "attach documents". You will see all documents that you have filled out and faxed in up to this point posted here, including your fingerprints.

[marinecop2]

Logon to Avue, go the background check section, click on "attach documents". You will see all documents that you have filled out and faxed in up to this point posted here, including your fingerprints.

I checked this area myself and cannot find the attach documents section. Do you have to view your current background first to bring it up? Or will it just be on the left side of the page?

[Lazer]

As soon as you log in, click on "background investigation." After that the background investigation page will come up and on the left side of the page click on "attach documents." You will find all your stuff there.

[marinecop2]

As soon as you log in, click on "background investigation." After that the background investigation page will come up and on the left side of the page click on "attach documents." You will find all your stuff there.

I checked that and it's still not there. Not sure why, but all I see on the left side is main menu, skip navigation, and instructions. Am I the only one with this issue or does anyone else not have this section visible for attaching documents. :confused:

[orangeshirt]

i can't see it either

[Supersonic527]

After you click on background click on "view" in the action column. On the next page you will see attach documents down the left side. I was able to find mine.

On a side note, in the certified column on the background investigation page it says incomplete, anyone else's say this?

[marinecop2]

After you click on background click on "view" in the action column. On the next page you will see attach documents down the left side. I was able to find mine.

On a side note, in the certified column on the background investigation page it says incomplete, anyone else's say this?


Ok, I found my information but no fingerprint cards. The only thing posted for me was my B1 release, medical, and credit check forms that I signed and attached in the beginning of this arduous process. Underneath that it reads "You will be notified at a later time to schedule your physical examination with FAMS." As far as the certified info mine shows a date certified and shows the status as active, nothing as far as incomplete.

[spookysco]

Found it like you guys stated, all the forms I originally faxed in are there, but no fingerprint cards. I did get the tracking info from fedex, somebody signed for it, but it's not on the site...

Sco

[Supersonic527]

My credit check form is not listed as being on there. Hmm....

[rugermk2]

I saw earlier in this thread that FAMS need 20/100 uncorrected vision, so I called my eye doc and found at that I've got 20/200 uncorrected (as of a year ago). I am considering LASIK, but don't know how long I have to wait after to get back into the process. Also, I've got my app in with other agencies and don't want the LASIK to throw me out of their process.

Any help?

[Tower]

I saw earlier in this thread that FAMS need 20/100 uncorrected vision, so I called my eye doc and found at that I've got 20/200 uncorrected (as of a year ago). I am considering LASIK, but don't know how long I have to wait after to get back into the process. Also, I've got my app in with other agencies and don't want the LASIK to throw me out of their process.

Any help?

When I applied about a year ago my eyes were worse then yours were. I started processing and had LASIK prior to my medical physical. It was critical for me to have the surgery be flawless and it was. I already have a FAA class II medical certificate as I need one for my current job. You don't have to wait for any period of time for the FAMS medical. I maybe an exception cause I already have the certificate but I really don't think so. I know a few other agencies out there want a year or so for stabilization of vision but I think you'll be ok...

I'll be happy to help you with any other questions about it


As you can see my eyes to the left...they did a tremendous job! Ever seen Pitch Black?

[Supersonic527]

I saw earlier in this thread that FAMS need 20/100 uncorrected vision, so I called my eye doc and found at that I've got 20/200 uncorrected (as of a year ago). I am considering LASIK, but don't know how long I have to wait after to get back into the process. Also, I've got my app in with other agencies and don't want the LASIK to throw me out of their process.

Any help?


FAMS only requires you to wait two weeks. I had LASEK (same results as LASIK but eyes take longer to heal) but my eyes took about 5 weeks to get to 20/15. I wish I would have had it done 5 months earlier when I started this process. It probably cost me a shot at finishing up much earlier. I would advise to do it now provided you have the money. If you have any questions, feel free to PM me.

[tua]

My credit check form is not listed as being on there. Hmm....


Neither is mine

[rugermk2]

I wasn't aware of the difference between LASEK and LASIK. I'll have to research that. I have the funds, but I like I said earlier, I just don't want it to negatively affect my chances with other agencies. Anyone know what BLM, USFS, or NPS' policies regarding LASIK/EK are?

[marinecop2]

Just read on another forum someone just got their medical clearance yesterday. Not sure what that means exactly, maybe to schedule an appointment? Can anyone finished the process give further details? Either way things might start picking up here.

[Patrio72]

Finished the process in December '06. All that means is that person is cleared for the PTA.

Patriot72

[dnehack]

What Pat said. Finished the Medical portion, cleared to take the PTA. One more step closer to finishing.

[marinecop2]

What Pat said. Finished the Medical portion, cleared to take the PTA. One more step closer to finishing.

How long does it normally take to find out once you have your appointment until your cleared? Do they contact you by phone or email?

[Supersonic527]

How long does it normally take to find out once you have your appointment until your cleared? Do they contact you by phone or email?

I wouldn't think it'd be more than a couple of days, maybe a week at the most. You can keep calling FAMS HR to make sure you're cleared. After that it's sit and wait because no one seems to be getting called for the PTA right now.

[jphilp87]

hey guys, i havent even started the application. where do i start? i know that i have to get onto the web site, which i have, but what all are they looking for and what can i do to learn more?

ANY AND ALL INFO IS WELCOME!!!

[dtown101]

hey guys, i havent even started the application. where do i start? i know that i have to get onto the web site, which i have, but what all are they looking for and what can i do to learn more?

ANY AND ALL INFO IS WELCOME!!!
typically with some law enforcement exp>>>you need to start and finish ur app asap...you are way behind the 8ball....several people have been finished with the whole process for quite some time and thats who they will go after first...so the quicker you get things done the quicker they will get to you and start ur process....

[homer]

I recieved my fingerprint cards today but can't get an appointment to get the prints done with my local pd until tuesday will the delay adversely affect my app process? What is typically next in the process after the prints? Any replies are appreciated.

[manstown]

There is nothing typical about the process. What people are going through now, I didn't go through. No one can answer that. If you want a better idea....there a few posts on here to help you out. The only effect waiting until Tuesday will have on you, is waiting about 3 extra days. It won't make or break you.

[Supersonic527]

I recieved my fingerprint cards today but can't get an appointment to get the prints done with my local pd until tuesday will the delay adversely affect my app process? What is typically next in the process after the prints? Any replies are appreciated.

For me this about, oh I'd say, month seven just sitting and waiting. Like manstown said, this won't break you. I actually wouldn't mind swapping spots with you right now. I remember when I got my print cards and it took me two days to get mine done. I thought it was an eternity. Little did I know...

[racinjason]

Hi. I have been reading some of your posts trying to gain any insight into this FAM process. I am in the same boat most of you are, here is my timeline:
Sept. 2006, Applied, COA
Nov. 2006, Fingerprint Card
Mar. 2007 (this week), Interview/ drug test??
Does anyone have any idea in order to expedite the process if you can travel to another Field office to do any testing, instead of waiting for your particular field office??
Are there any questions that some of you might have that I could ask the officers in the panel interview? I am not shy and will ask most questions (i.e about the process, projected hiring, training). I am actually going to write a list of questions before I go. I know they can't answer some of the questions like how many FAM there are, etc because of OPSEC but maybe about the hiring process (which nobody has any idea about, including myself :confused: ).

[Supersonic527]

Hi. I have been reading some of your posts trying to gain any insight into this FAM process. I am in the same boat most of you are, here is my timeline:
Sept. 2006, Applied, COA
Nov. 2006, Fingerprint Card
Mar. 2007 (this week), Interview/ drug test??
Does anyone have any idea in order to expedite the process if you can travel to another Field office to do any testing, instead of waiting for your particular field office??
Are there any questions that some of you might have that I could ask the officers in the panel interview? I am not shy and will ask most questions (i.e about the process, projected hiring, training). I am actually going to write a list of questions before I go. I know they can't answer some of the questions like how many FAM there are, etc because of OPSEC but maybe about the hiring process (which nobody has any idea about, including myself :confused: ).

I don't believe you can travel to other FO's to complete steps of the process faster. If you can I've never heard of it happening.

As far as questions to ask them, I asked them what they liked most about the job (response was $$$). Asking them what their dislikes of the job would be good too. You can probably get any question answered on here but it's good practice to have questions for them. Good luck with your interview.

[signal1]

Hey all, I have a quick question. I am headed out to Denver early next month for my interview. It is @ 0800 on a Monday. How long can I expect to be there on that Monday? It is an 8 hr drive back home so I am trying to plan my trip. Thanks!!

[Supersonic527]

Hey all, I have a quick question. I am headed out to Denver early next month for my interview. It is @ 0800 on a Monday. How long can I expect to be there on that Monday? It is an 8 hr drive back home so I am trying to plan my trip. Thanks!!

My interview was only about 30 minutes long. No drug test or anything else though. Three hours there, three back. I would count on being there a little longer though. Good luck.

[tua]

Hey all, I have a quick question. I am headed out to Denver early next month for my interview. It is @ 0800 on a Monday. How long can I expect to be there on that Monday? It is an 8 hr drive back home so I am trying to plan my trip. Thanks!!


My interview was scheduled for 0800 and I wasn't interviewed until almost 1200 and didnt get home til almost 3 o'clock. So keep the whole day open, I am sure it is different in each FO. Good luck

[magic001aj]

When i had my interview, i had a drug test along w/ a written test of about 1200 questions. I was there for at least 5 hours.

[marinecop2]

Mine was just an interview followed by a drug test week later. No written test and since October nothing. I was in the office a total of maybe 1.5 hours.

[Lazer]

My interview was right at 0930, had the drug test right after and I was out by 1100, this was back on July 25, 2006. It has turned out to be a very long waiting game, prepare to wait, there are a large group of us that have been all done since the fall and last summer and are waiting. There is no psych test anymore, they stopped that in the end of July 2006. The last I have heard from anyone was a phone call I got from DC headquarters on FEB 20 this year to fax in my transcripts.

[manstown]

The written test some are talking about was the old psych questions. When I went through there were about 10 others there for the interview. If they liked you, you moved on to a meeting with one of the ASAC's. Somewhere between the meetings were the drug test. Everyone had to wait until the last person was done with their interviews/meeting before the psych portion. That took about an hour or two..I think. I was there at from about 8 to 3. Depends on the number of people there and the how the offices handle the day.

[marinecop2]

My interview was right at 0930, had the drug test right after and I was out by 1100, this was back on July 25, 2006. It has turned out to be a very long waiting game, prepare to wait, there are a large group of us that have been all done since the fall and last summer and are waiting. There is no psych test anymore, they stopped that in the end of July 2006. The last I have heard from anyone was a phone call I got from DC headquarters on FEB 20 this year to fax in my transcripts.

What transcripts are you referring to?

[luv2spind]

What transcripts are you referring to?


College Transcripts

[Lazer]

Yup, it all depends on the Field office and how many interviews there are, etc....etc....the process unfolds differently for all

[Lazer]

What transcripts are you referring to?


College Transcript.

[marinecop2]

Can anyone advise what airports that the NY and Newark field offices fly out of?

[marinecop2]

Received my mental health certification. I wonder if this takes the place of the psych. Either way, it's one step further in the process and shows some sort of movement since October.

[Supersonic527]

Received my mental health certification. I wonder if this takes the place of the psych. Either way, it's one step further in the process and shows some sort of movement since October.

I believe it does take the place. I took the psych stuff and still received the Mental Health Questionaire at a later time to be signed and faxed in.

[marinecop2]

I believe it does take the place. I took the psych stuff and still received the Mental Health Questionaire at a later time to be signed and faxed in.


Have you completed the entire process?

[Patrio72]

I have completed the entire process and just received the Mental Health Certification this morning.

I already filled out this form and turned it back in last December. So would this one count as the the infamous Psych recert?

Patriot72

[apd98]

Yep!!!!! That used to be the last step before the call was received.

[Supersonic527]

Have you completed the entire process?

Yes I have.

[Patrio72]

I have not received an email yet from FAMs\Avue to certify\recertify my Psych stuff. Has anyone else received an email yet or did you just happen to find the latest form in your Avue profile?

Patriot72

[marinecop2]

Yep!!!!! That used to be the last step before the call was received.

That would be great, however, I still have medical and PTA.

[STL]

Hey Patrio I called avue and she told me to go ahead, do mine and fax it in

[Lazer]

I saw on AVUE that the new Mental Health Cert form is attached to my profile, I am printing it and will fax it in tomorrow.

[Patrio72]

I spoke with Avue today and had a great conversation. Basically, the Mental Health Certification is a new form (the date on the form is January 2007) and an email about it is going out tomorrow. He said the hiring should begin "very, very soon".

Patriot72

[dnehack]

No calls going out right now so here is some info to pass time.

http://www.miamiherald.com/467/story/52270.html

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20070327-065522-5346r.htm

[igneous]

I spoke with Avue today and had a great conversation. Basically, the Mental Health Certification is a new form (the date on the form is January 2007) and an email about it is going out tomorrow. He said the hiring should begin "very, very soon".

Patriot72
even if you've been in the process for over a year and have done all the old psych stuff?

[marinecop2]

even if you've been in the process for over a year and have done all the old psych stuff?

I don't think it matters if have completed the old stuff.

[igneous]

I don't think it matters if have completed the old stuff.
I guess Ill have to wait and see if I get it. I've received so many conflicting emails from them

[Supersonic527]

As of now, I haven't seen anything from Avue through e-mail. Wouldn't surprise me if they spread out the emails if they do in fact send out the MHC.

[marinecop2]

As of now, I haven't seen anything from Avue through e-mail. Wouldn't surprise me if they spread out the emails if they do in fact send out the MHC.


Neither have I seen anything through email.

[MassVet]

GOT the avue psych recert, this is the second one for me so far. Looks like ill send another one in!

[igneous]

GOT the avue psych recert, this is the second one for me so far. Looks like ill send another one in!
congrats, seems like a good sign at this point.

[marinecop2]

GOT the avue psych recert, this is the second one for me so far. Looks like ill send another one in!


Did you get notification by email? Is this a random issuance of these forms to certain applicants or is everyone receiving them? Does anyone know?

[Ammo22]

As far as the "psych recert" everyone is referring to if that is the same as the Mental Health Certification then I printed mine off of AVUE and handed it in with the rest of my medical forms when I had my physical back in October of 06. I never got any "psych recert" sent to me in an e-mail and as far as I know I have been finished with my process since 11-20-06.

[Lazer]

Don't know if it is a random issuance, I found the "Mental Health Certification" attached to my AVUE profile yesterday and faxed it in. I never got an e-mail to tell me to send it in. My guess is they have not got around to sending an e-mail out yet and instead of waiting to get the e-mail to tell you to send it in send it in now and get ahead of the ball. That is it, waiting for final decision now.

[Lazer]

As far as the "psych recert" everyone is referring to if that is the same as the Mental Health Certification then I printed mine off of AVUE and handed it in with the rest of my medical forms when I had my physical back in October of 06. I never got any "psych recert" sent to me in an e-mail and as far as I know I have been finished with my process since 11-20-06.


That original Mental Health Cert form disappeared from AVUE sometime last fall 2006. They had to redo the form and this one you see is the new version as you can see the date on the bottom January 2007. I also read some federal document online that talked about the revision of this specific psych form and the paperwork reduction act, etc...

AMMO go ahead again and send this one in to update your info. Sorry, did not see if you posted that you re-sent it in already, disregard if you did.

[Lazer]

Just looked, just got the e-mail from AVUE about the Mental Health form.

[marinecop2]

Just looked, just got the e-mail from AVUE about the Mental Health form.


Just got the email today!

[Patrio72]

3/28/07 @ 9:40 p.m. - I received the email as well. The email does state that "Applicants who have already completed a psychological assessment are also required to complete this form, as it will serve as a recertification." So although it is a new form for many applicants, it also serves as the infamous "Psych recert" for those of us who met with a Psychologist.

Patriot72

[tdparmel]

I also go the email. The problem is that I have not had an interview or physical. So I am not sure if this email is good news or bad news. Did pretty much everyone get the email????

[DWCgrad]

hey, just got the email tonight. I just faxed it back. last year, people who received this email were called days after with an offer. now this is getting interesting.
hey "72", i hope you are right about the hiring.

[horse]

alot of us are in the same boat with that email

[jrnwaarmy]

greetings!!!

i did process last year...done by aug 2006, got the call to fax in my school record around 15 aug. then......nothing!!!Now i got this email for re-cert. for mental health. hope this is a good news.well... panel in L.A., i did my process in in D.C.(the blitz)including the second interview(SAIC)pta in L.A. then the guys in D.C. called me for my dd214 and school record and said im done..so wait...Now i'm waiting patiently....let me see your hows everybody doing specially the guys that did the D.C. blitz...thanks and is there any input from intheair? when the calling will start?

[tua]

It seems like we are all getting this email, another recert email, at least there is some life back in the process...

[MassVet]

just faxed mine in, JUST GREAT!

[igneous]

I never got the email. Did anyone else that got the psych recert last summer get it yesterday?

[marinecop2]

hey, just got the email tonight. I just faxed it back. last year, people who received this email were called days after with an offer. now this is getting interesting.
hey "72", i hope you are right about the hiring.

Alot of us who are getting this email have not completed the medical or PTA. Then there are some who have completed everything and are sending this back as a recert. There seems to be no rhyme or reason about this email other than things are moving. My email particularly said that this needs to get sent back in within 2 weeks in order continue on in the process for the medical. Now that sounds great and things seem to be really moving along. However, with a variety of different people getting this, some w/o even having the interview I don't know what to think. Those of us who have received the email did yours say pretty much the same thing?

[FED2BE]

I got the MHC as well, I had just about forgotten that I had applied it has been so long since hearing from them. It prompted me to explore the AVUE FAMS hiring site to look for changes. They have a nifty little flow chart about the hiring process on there now. It no longer says anything about having to take the PAT. It simply says a background, medical, drug, and psycological exam are required. Anyone know if they just left it out by mistake or did they can that along with the written psy. test.

[HDbluelite]

I received my MHC re-cert as well. I hope this means the process is going to move forward again! :)

[Ammo22]

That original Mental Health Cert form disappeared from AVUE sometime last fall 2006. They had to redo the form and this one you see is the new version as you can see the date on the bottom January 2007. I also read some federal document online that talked about the revision of this specific psych form and the paperwork reduction act, etc...

AMMO go ahead again and send this one in to update your info. Sorry, did not see if you posted that you re-sent it in already, disregard if you did.


Just checked my e-mail and sure enough the MHC was there. I just printed it out and faxed it in. I think many people got them because when I tried to fax it I got a busy signal for about 2 hours. I never received a recert last year or ever before this one in case anybody was wondering.

[signal1]

Alot of us who are getting this email have not completed the medical or PTA. Then there are some who have completed everything and are sending this back as a recert. There seems to be no rhyme or reason about this email other than things are moving. My email particularly said that this needs to get sent back in within 2 weeks in order continue on in the process for the medical. Now that sounds great and things seem to be really moving along. However, with a variety of different people getting this, some w/o even having the interview I don't know what to think. Those of us who have received the email did yours say pretty much the same thing?

Mine said the same thing and I haven't had my interview yet. It is in a little over a week.

[Xtreme]

yeah, got mine too... guess i better pick up the pace on my runs. ? :eek:

good luck to everyone!

- mike

[signal1]

I know recently there was conversation going on about the fingerprint cards being able to be seen on Avue. I had to contact Avue on another question so I asked them about not being able to see my cards while I was already in contact with them. This was their reply, "Fingerprint cards use to be attached to an applicants file. They are now sent directly to TSA for processing and are no longer attached to your application."

Just thought I would clear that up for those of you, like me, that can't see your cards.

[Lazer]

Alot of us who are getting this email have not completed the medical or PTA. Then there are some who have completed everything and are sending this back as a recert. There seems to be no rhyme or reason about this email other than things are moving. My email particularly said that this needs to get sent back in within 2 weeks in order continue on in the process for the medical. Now that sounds great and things seem to be really moving along. However, with a variety of different people getting this, some w/o even having the interview I don't know what to think. Those of us who have received the email did yours say pretty much the same thing?


I got the same info. Those us all done with everything I would think would be at the head of the list

[Lazer]

The stupid fax machine at AVUE has been busy all day. It is still busy now at 545 pm Eastern time. Been calling them also to get another fax number, can't get a hold of a human either.

[signal1]

The stupid fax machine at AVUE has been busy all day. It is still busy now at 545 pm Eastern time. Been calling them also to get another fax number, can't get a hold of a human either.

Do you have a scanner available? You can scan it and upload it to your Avue page.

[Lazer]

Finally got through via fax right after I sent the last message. Thx anyway

[dnehack]

Signal I would also fax the document. Speaking from experience!

[dnehack]

Just some info that I received from AVUE today, everyone will be getting the new Mental Health Form. Know matter if you have completed everything or not. Its a new form from TSA. Its called TSA Form 1164, January 2007. It will be good until 8/31/2007. Read the expiration date again that should tell everyone that things will start picking up soon. Good luck to everyone!

[racinjason]

Well I just got done with the interview today and had a few questions to ask those of you that completed the interview. 1) How do you know if you passed (they didn't tell me anything). 2) Is there a way that they rank the results (Excellent, good, shi**y)? 3) Do you think it is possible that they favor a person who doesn't have a family because of the nature of the job.
Overall, the interview was really good and they are profesional. I assume I did alright but it is hard to say. Afterward I had a conversation with one of the members on my panel and asked a few questions. 1) I asked if there is anyway to expedite this process. I have been contracting over in the middle east and plan on going back. So I mentioned that if the next step is in July it is very possible that I will be out of the country. The reply I got was that it is not really in their hands and I would have to contact Avue :eek: So that should give us all a little insight on the process. It is basically avue that is doing all the "leg work" and not your respective field office. 2) I asked when there was going to be a training date and are they actively hiring. Well, the answer was "we are not currently hiring but will be maybe around July :mad: .
Overall, if any of you have dealt with the government before things can change quickly so it wouldn't suprise me if someone on this forum post a message next week saying they are off to training.

[tua]

Well I just got done with the interview today and had a few questions to ask those of you that completed the interview. 1) How do you know if you passed (they didn't tell me anything).


They drug tested and told me I passed, but it might be different in other FO's.

[Supersonic527]

They drug tested and told me I passed, but it might be different in other FO's.

Mine was a bit different. No drug test at all. I got the "We'll be in touch" line which kinda made me think I might've not done so well. All was well though.

[thermop6]

The stupid fax machine at AVUE has been busy all day. It is still busy now at 545 pm Eastern time. Been calling them also to get another fax number, can't get a hold of a human either.


Same. I tried at 10frickin30 last night and it was busy. Ridiculous. I am going to keep trying the fax, but I sent the hard copy in via snailmail this morning..

[HDbluelite]

Same. I tried at 10frickin30 last night and it was busy. Ridiculous. I am going to keep trying the fax, but I sent the hard copy in via snailmail this morning..

It took me 8 times to finally get through faxing the paperwork. I got the no answer 7 times. Then today it finally went through and gave me the o.k.

[dtown101]

the wheels are turning and then they stop....seems to me that the wheels have deflated and need a tow truck to get picked up....tired of waiting....but have to live on and keep doin what im doin...so for the rest of yall glad to see yall got ur recert letters just like the millions of others who posted it earlier...btw...if you see 10 postings of the same type of post dont post it...it gets old reading the same thing over and over...hey baseball season is coming up lets keep the forum alive and talk baseball....play ball.....sorry for my rudeness...as you can see ive been on this forum for my whole life....good luck to all

[homer]

I was just reading about the FAMS hiring process on the AVUE site and noticed that the flow chart does not have the pta assesment that is discussed in the training guide I recieved in an email from Avue. My question pertains as to whether the PTA is an old evaluation tool or was just overlooked in their construction of the flowchart? I am practicing for it regardless, even if I don't make it that far in the process. I presume the panel interview is the next step after the MHC?

[marinecop2]

I was just reading about the FAMS hiring process on the AVUE site and noticed that the flow chart does not have the pta assesment that is discussed in the training guide I recieved in an email from Avue. My question pertains as to whether the PTA is an old evaluation tool or was just overlooked in their construction of the flowchart? I am practicing for it regardless, even if I don't make it that far in the process. I presume the panel interview is the next step after the MHC?

I've seen the same thing about the flow chart. It seems to be incorrect. From what I understand the pta is still part of the process. It's just another apspect of the hiring process that helps to seperate candidates. Also, the panel interview for most of us came way before the MHC was sent.

[Tower]

I was just reading about the FAMS hiring process on the AVUE site and noticed that the flow chart does not have the pta assesment that is discussed in the training guide I recieved in an email from Avue. My question pertains as to whether the PTA is an old evaluation tool or was just overlooked in their construction of the flowchart? I am practicing for it regardless, even if I don't make it that far in the process. I presume the panel interview is the next step after the MHC?


You better believe that the PTA is still part of the process!!! With as competitive as this job is the only thing that will really set you apart from everyone else, other than a kick *** interview, is your PTA scores. Even tho its not on the flow chart its still part of the process. Train hard....

[Patrio72]

My MHC appeared as an Attached Document (pdf format) in Avue today. Go Gators!

Patriot72

[homer]

Thank you for your responses to my inquiry. I will continue my physical training while working 2 jobs and studying for my Masters Degree in American Revolutionary History. This the job I have always wanted.

[Xtreme]

Thank you for your responses to my inquiry. I will continue my physical training while working 2 jobs and studying for my Masters Degree in American Revolutionary History. This the job I have always wanted.

a masters in american revolutionary history, huh? wow! what do you do with something like that? is it more personal fulfillment?

mike

[homer]

a masters in american revolutionary history, huh? wow! what do you do with something like that? is it more personal fulfillment?

mike


My primary goal is to join the FAMS I have always loved airports, flying, and travelling and I hate terrorists if that doesn't work out hopefully the MA will help me get a job with the Park Service or another Federal Agency. I have been reading on USAJOBS that the MA will help qualify for better ratings and since all my experience consists of banging nails, working in liquor stores, and cooking I hope the MA will overcome that. Its something I can fall back on regardless of what happens. I just want to avoid becoming a public school teacher.

[litreofcola]

Homer, if u really want to get into the air marshals that ma is not going to hurt. But, I would start trying to get some other work experience in the law enforcement field. Try being a cop, corrections, and also throw in for some other federal jobs (s.s uniformed division is hiring). Once you have the ma and some law enforcment experience you will be gold. Not saying you should give up on fams now, but if you gain some more experience while you wait it really can't hurt. Just my two cents worth.

[Xtreme]

My primary goal is to join the FAMS I have always loved airports, flying, and travelling and I hate terrorists if that doesn't work out hopefully the MA will help me get a job with the Park Service or another Federal Agency. I have been reading on USAJOBS that the MA will help qualify for better ratings and since all my experience consists of banging nails, working in liquor stores, and cooking I hope the MA will overcome that. Its something I can fall back on regardless of what happens. I just want to avoid becoming a public school teacher.

becoming a public school teacher is a noble profession. don't look at it as a second rate job. if you want to become an air marshal, you might want to consider getting some LEO experience. i'm not sure if your employment history + a history master is goin' to cut it. there's lots of folks with LE experience, some with degrees... it's tough bro. i've got 5 years LE and another 5 military and i'm close to having my degree, and i'm far from gauranteed a job. if i got on i would feel exceptionaly fortunate.

keep the dream, but set some goals and build your skill set. LE is almost a must it seems.

- mike

[orangeshirt]

I'm not sure how I feel about previous LE experience. Obviously it won't hurt, but for this job, I don't think it's that big of a deal. After talking with the management team and about 10 different FAMS during my interview many moons ago, they all told me that the newest hiring trend will be towards fresh college grads. ....The hiring that happened right after September 11th produced a lot of good FAMS, but not necessarily good management prospects.

I'm a corporate pilot with an MBA and no law enforcement experience....they told me that my experiences would put me ahead of the pack in that regard. Who knows...I'm not counting on anything.

Best of luck to everybody in the process.

[igneous]

I'm not sure how I feel about previous LE experience. Obviously it won't hurt, but for this job, I don't think it's that big of a deal. After talking with the management team and about 10 different FAMS during my interview many moons ago, they all told me that the newest hiring trend will be towards fresh college grads. ....The hiring that happened right after September 11th produced a lot of good FAMS, but not necessarily good management prospects.

I'm a corporate pilot with an MBA and no law enforcement experience....they told me that my experiences would put me ahead of the pack in that regard. Who knows...I'm not counting on anything.

Best of luck to everybody in the process.
you're a corporate pilot and you want to be a fam? Why not keep with the pilot career and become a ffdo?

[marinecop2]

I'm not sure how I feel about previous LE experience. Obviously it won't hurt, but for this job, I don't think it's that big of a deal. After talking with the management team and about 10 different FAMS during my interview many moons ago, they all told me that the newest hiring trend will be towards fresh college grads. ....The hiring that happened right after September 11th produced a lot of good FAMS, but not necessarily good management prospects.

I'm a corporate pilot with an MBA and no law enforcement experience....they told me that my experiences would put me ahead of the pack in that regard. Who knows...I'm not counting on anything.

Best of luck to everybody in the process.

Unless you have actually been in LE then I can see how you could feel that way. However, college degrees or not, when the crap hits the fan then what. LE certainly prepares you for the worst situations and how to react. Its one thing to think about stressful situations and arresting someone, than actually doing it first hand. Any thoughts from prior or currnet LE.

[orangeshirt]

I totally agree....I don't know how I'd react in a stressful LE situation. Flying an ILS approach in an ice storm with 25 kt crosswinds at night, with 9 pax in the back is different than any experience that would come from being in LE. Both stressful, but apples and oranges, nonetheless.

There will always be a good supply of FAM applicants with law enforcement or military backgrounds. From what I gathered with talking to the management guys, and also other FAMS, they seemed to be trying to diversify their new hires. ...To say that only guys with previous LE experience have a chance might not necessarily be correct. I know it defies logic, but I think that other qualities besides LE are desirable for this position.

We can all agree that being a FAM isn't a traditional law enforcement job. I don't want to be flamed for that comment, but really....it's not like FAMs do the high-octane kicking in doors, arresting people, and going on chases that regular law enforcement sees on a daily basis.

I remember reading about several of the guys on this forum that got hired last year were fresh college guys.....

[Tower]

I totally agree....I don't know how I'd react in a stressful LE situation. Flying an ILS approach in an ice storm with 25 kt crosswinds at night, with 9 pax in the back is different than any experience that would come from being in LE. Both stressful, but apples and oranges, nonetheless.

There will always be a good supply of FAM applicants with law enforcement or military backgrounds. From what I gathered with talking to the management guys, and also other FAMS, they seemed to be trying to diversify their new hires. ...To say that only guys with previous LE experience have a chance might not necessarily be correct. I know it defies logic, but I think that other qualities besides LE are desirable for this position.

We can all agree that being a FAM isn't a traditional law enforcement job. I don't want to be flamed for that comment, but really....it's not like FAMs do the high-octane kicking in doors, arresting people, and going on chases that regular law enforcement sees on a daily basis.

I remember reading about several of the guys on this forum that got hired last year were fresh college guys.....

Com'on orangeshirt you can paint a better pic then that....how 'bout with an elevator problem, RVR of 2400, thin loose snow over thin ice on the runway and braking action of poor and unable to divert cause of fuel all along with your scenario. What would your pucker factor be like? Would you be permanently attached to the seat afterwards? :D

[Xtreme]

I'm not sure how I feel about previous LE experience. Obviously it won't hurt, but for this job, I don't think it's that big of a deal. After talking with the management team and about 10 different FAMS during my interview many moons ago, they all told me that the newest hiring trend will be towards fresh college grads. ....The hiring that happened right after September 11th produced a lot of good FAMS, but not necessarily good management prospects.

I'm a corporate pilot with an MBA and no law enforcement experience....they told me that my experiences would put me ahead of the pack in that regard. Who knows...I'm not counting on anything.

Best of luck to everybody in the process.

i see what you're saying... although i disagree. there are different types of stressors. for instance, you have been trained and can fly planes. the job can be stressful. but when a person is doing violence towards you, it's completely different. people freeze up. violence has such a different impact on people - different than an icy runway... or engine failure on a plane.

violence is personal.

it attacks you physicaly and mentaly. when someone is trying to kill you it feels different than [fill in the blank]. it just does. if i'm hiring people that may one day need to kill someone on a plane to prevent them from killing everyone else on a plane, i'm not looking to hire the guy i think might make for better upper management material 5 or 10 years down the road. i want someone who possibly has been in law enforcement and has been in violent confrontations and who has proven themselves in those encounters. i dont' want to find out when its happening that so-and-so just isn't cut out to handle violence. it's too late. and there are too many cops / ex-cops that want the job not to find qualified ex-leo's.

that's me though and i'm not the one reviewing app's. i wish you luck bro. but a college diploma don't mean jack when you're fighting for your life.

not saying i'm 100% right here... just my opinion is all.

- mike

[tdparmel]

When I originally applied in 2001-2002 I was a college senior and I heard nothing. Now I have the college degree and federal law enforcement experience. The process has been frustrating for me. I received the conditional offer on December 4th, 2006, Mailed out the fingerprint cards on January 4th, 2007, Re-certified my application in mid February, and faxed my mental health certification 2 weeks ago. I still have not heard anything regarding an interview. It seems pretty unusual compared to others to not have an interview at this point.

[Xtreme]

When I originally applied in 2001-2002 I was a college senior and I heard nothing. Now I have the college degree and federal law enforcement experience. The process has been frustrating for me. I received the conditional offer on December 4th, 2006, Mailed out the fingerprint cards on January 4th, 2007, Re-certified my application in mid February, and faxed my mental health certification 2 weeks ago. I still have not heard anything regarding an interview. It seems pretty unusual compared to others to not have an interview at this point.

i quit trying to understand it and i've only been in the process a few months. there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to it. just hang in there.

- mike

[STL]

i quit trying to understand it and i've only been in the process a few months. there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to it. just hang in there.

- mike

So extreme one question for you? In your mind a "degree don't mean jack" ( I disagree because I have one, I could go on about why they do mean something but whatever.) But there is a thing that they call "The Academy" I take it that you're a current or prior law enforcement officer, so I'm sure you've heard about them. But would you be willing to conceed that every Law Enforcement Officer when they are hired on with an agency they get some form of training to learn how to do the job. Now every guy starts somewhere rather it be the Military or the FBI they have to start somewhere and they get trained on how to do the job right? Or is it that I wasn't born with a badge and gun?

[Xtreme]

So extreme one question for you? In your mind a "degree don't mean jack" ( I disagree because I have one, I could go on about why they do mean something but whatever.) But there is a thing that they call "The Academy" I take it that you're a current or prior law enforcement officer, so I'm sure you've heard about them. But would you be willing to conceed that every Law Enforcement Officer when they are hired on with an agency they get some form of training to learn how to do the job. Now every guy starts somewhere rather it be the Military or the FBI they have to start somewhere and they get trained on how to do the job right? Or is it that I wasn't born with a badge and gun?

i think i was refering to when violence is being done to you. a degree realy isn't going to help. will it help you academicaly? sure. will it help you think criticaly, solve problems... etc.? sure.

yes, i've heard of this "academy" that you speak of.... lol been to one. and i see where you're goin' with it. but training and experience are not to be confused with one another. do you think just because someone goes through academy they're prepared for a fight or a violent encounter? i would say no. does it give them an edge? of course! but i want someone that has been on the job... has had experience in voilent encounters and KNOWS already how they will react. see, before the academy, i didnt' know for sure what i would do if a suspect assaulted me. after the academy, i had an idea of what i SHOULD do... but still, it hadn't happened yet so i didn't know WHAT i would do. 5 years later i now know what i do in those encounters. i dont' freeze up. i EXCELL!!!! i'm good in those situations. i am cool under the gun bro. i only know this becuase i've done it. college degree doesn't tell me what you'll do in a real world situation. a 2 minute redman drill doens't mean that when it comes down to it you'll stay in the fight and not bail on your zone partner.

college degrees are a good thing. they shouldn't subsitute for LE experience though. just my opinion, not flaming you. ok?

- mike

[dtown101]

So extreme one question for you? In your mind a "degree don't mean jack" ( I disagree because I have one, I could go on about why they do mean something but whatever.) But there is a thing that they call "The Academy" I take it that you're a current or prior law enforcement officer, so I'm sure you've heard about them. But would you be willing to conceed that every Law Enforcement Officer when they are hired on with an agency they get some form of training to learn how to do the job. Now every guy starts somewhere rather it be the Military or the FBI they have to start somewhere and they get trained on how to do the job right? Or is it that I wasn't born with a badge and gun?

Having a degree is something to lean on...BUT when their are hundreds of people applying for this position and im pretty sure that agencies look at your prior or current exp. I think that someone who is applying that has a higher learning degree and no leo background will have the upper hand on someone who has applied and doesnt have a MA, or even leo exp. also, someone who doesnt even have to go to phase 1 of training would be ahead of someone with leo exp. not trying to put people with leo exp on a pedestal but angencies like to see prior or current exp. yeah, fams may not be your typical law enforcement agency where they kick down doors and arrest people on a daily basis but if the poo poo hits the fans guess what.. its you and your partner to save the plane and if you fail your next backup is a air force jet about to shoot your butt down...Im tired of people on this forum trying to brag about what type of education,or how they did on the pta test and interview...blah blah blah....like i said last week...lets talk baseball...at least we know thats moving along instead of this process

[STL]

I'm going to drop it after this. Last time I checked pretty much all of us were applicant's right? So we're in the same boat, I thought. None of us has the job right? I just think it's in poor taste to try and gage each others quals and prop yourself up by how many years of law enforcement one might have, or by one education as well. If that were the end all I'm sure those that meet that criteria would be on already. Look I hope to see you guys in the Academy one day soon, and wish you guys the best of luck in whatever you do. Anybody else on here looking forward to the Cardinals repeating????

[tua]

yeah, looks like my Phillies aren't all they were talked up to be.

[STL]

You Know Ryan Howard is from the STL.

[homer]

yeah, looks like my Phillies aren't all they were talked up to be.

I nearly froze at yesterdays game, Howard needs to wait on those change ups he's way out in front on those suckers. he could of made up for that first inning error many times with guys on and 1 out. I had to go to chinatown for some wonton soup to thaw out afterwards. They have plenty of time to get it together.

[Xtreme]

Anybody else on here looking forward to the Cardinals repeating????

aint happenin'. atlanta's got the NL this year... and then the series.

[tua]

I nearly froze at yesterdays game, Howard needs to wait on those change ups he's way out in front on those suckers. he could of made up for that first inning error many times with guys on and 1 out. I had to go to chinatown for some wonton soup to thaw out afterwards. They have plenty of time to get it together.


I was at that game too but I was in a Box eating and drinkin for free in the warmth very far away from that bitter wind!!! lol. Your analysis is dead on about howard and to the guy above, Atlanta is not winning the Pennant, we may suck but the BRAVES BLOW!!!

[dtown101]

aint happenin'. atlanta's got the NL this year... and then the series.

BRAVES ALL THE WAY THIS YEAR...THE DOMINANCE WILL START BACK UP

[Xtreme]

BRAVES ALL THE WAY THIS YEAR...THE DOMINANCE WILL START BACK UP

tru dat...

atlanta is takin' the east again... start another streak. the mets pitching will let them down. phillie sucks. florida might surprise but 3rd place at most. and washington? hah!

[tua]

[QUOTE=Xtreme]tru dat...

phillie sucks. QUOTE]

Why is everyone so anti Philadelphia?? lol

[dnehack]

Pretty bad when the FAM thread is kidnapped into a baseball thread!!

[Tower]

Pretty bad when the FAM thread is kidnapped into a baseball thread!!


Right there with ya!! Perhaps they should start a "FAMS applicants baseball thread" so dtown101 will have something to do.

[tua]

Pretty bad when the FAM thread is kidnapped into a baseball thread!!

Well would you rather read about baseball or that another applicant got the psych recert email!! lol

[dtown101]

Well would you rather read about baseball or that another applicant got the psych recert email!! lol

TUA---im glad someone on here agrees with me on that one>>>

Tower---great quote btw--awesome movie

[Lazer]

Just a heads up, got a call from DC Headquarters on Friday. They were following up on making sure I sent in My Psych cert form to Avue. I said I had faxed it a week ago and he said good. He said that was the only item missing from my file. By the way, RED SOX all the way guys!!! HAHA!!!!! Anyone else get a call??

[tua]

Just a heads up, got a call from DC Headquarters on Friday. They were following up on making sure I sent in My Psych cert form to Avue. I said I had faxed it a week ago and he said good. He said that was the only item missing from my file. By the way, RED SOX all the way guys!!! HAHA!!!!! Anyone else get a call??


now that sounds promising for you, good luck!

[marinecop2]

Just a heads up, got a call from DC Headquarters on Friday. They were following up on making sure I sent in My Psych cert form to Avue. I said I had faxed it a week ago and he said good. He said that was the only item missing from my file. By the way, RED SOX all the way guys!!! HAHA!!!!! Anyone else get a call??

Have you completed the entire process?

[Tower]

Have you completed the entire process?

If you click on Lazer's name you can find all posts by them. Just a heads up if you didn't know already. I've noticed you asking people a few times. Its an easy way to get the info :)

[Hitz]

Got a call on Thursday from D.C. confirming I was stateside.

[Lazer]

Have you completed the entire process?


Process is all done

[Bubba13]

I'm new to this who else is done with the whole process?????????

[Bubba13]

I'm new to this who else is done with the whole process????

[Penumbra]

Hey Bubba I'm new as well, who else is done???? :eek:

[jrnwaarmy]

done since aug 15' 06. talk to my fo in california and avue and they said wait... waiting for the panel to decide . ..... :)

[dtown101]

I'm new to this who else is done with the whole process????

Hey Bubba. I've been done w/ the whole process since 8/4/06. I do not have to go to phase 1 of the training in artesia. How 'bout you? And this goes for the rest of you. Anyone in the same boat about not going to phase 1?

[Tower]

done since aug 15' 06. talk to my fo in california and avue and they said wait... waiting for the panel to decide . ..... :)

Dude if you've been all done with everything since Aug and you haven't received an email or letter stating something to the affect of "Better Qualified Candidates" then chances are you've got the green light and are just waiting in a pool like several others to be hired.

Welcome to the pool...the waters kinda cold...and no hot lifeguards to stare at :)

[Patrio72]

Emails from Avue are going out. I just got the dreaded thin letter (electronic version). well..that does suck..... :(

Patriot72

[dtown101]

Emails from Avue are going out. I just got the dreaded thin letter (electronic version). well..that does suck..... :(

Patriot72


how far along were you in the process...and what type of background did u have in law enforcement.....

that sucks man

[Patrio72]

how far along were you in the process...and what type of background did u have in law enforcement.....

that sucks man


Yes it does...I completed everything in December 06. I.T. guy for eight years and BA in Psychology.

Patriot72

[igneous]

Emails from Avue are going out. I just got the dreaded thin letter (electronic version). well..that does suck..... :(

Patriot72
I got that email last summer, and then got a pysch recert email two days later. I didn't hear anything else from them til feb. when I got the recert my app email. I dont think Im still in the process, but you never know. I'm acting as if I'm not though. People have received that email in the past and still gone through the process though, avue is screwy.

[gonefishin]

Just a heads up, got a call from DC Headquarters on Friday. They were following up on making sure I sent in My Psych cert form to Avue. I said I had faxed it a week ago and he said good. He said that was the only item missing from my file. By the way, RED SOX all the way guys!!! HAHA!!!!! Anyone else get a call??

I heard a rumor that only Red Sox fans will be hired in the future.....so things look good for Lazer!

[Patrio72]

I got that email last summer, and then got a pysch recert email two days later. I didn't hear anything else from them til feb. when I got the recert my app email. I dont think Im still in the process, but you never know. I'm acting as if I'm not though. People have received that email in the past and still gone through the process though, avue is screwy.

I know that Supersonic got it as well. The fact that other people have received the BQA letter and then contacted to continue processing only adds confusion. Hey, if they call and offer me a job (not holding my breath) I will certainly accept.

Patriot72

[jrnwaarmy]

Dude if you've been all done with everything since Aug and you haven't received an email or letter stating something to the affect of "Better Qualified Candidates" then chances are you've got the green light and are just waiting in a pool like several others to be hired.

Welcome to the pool...the waters kinda cold...and no hot lifeguards to stare at :)

O well since last time i talked to Fam Dc office is aug of 06..i called them today and found out that i'm in the pool(of cold water). :cool: .The good thing is i did not recieved the BQA letter which means that if you are done, your paper work is in the hand of hiring board (panel) and infront of crystal ball as well :) .So his advice is just patiently wait..Thanks again tower for the heads up!!!

[Bubba13]

I have been done since July 06 no i dont have to got through phase 1 anyone else

[tdparmel]

First of all, Where has intheaircop been? Since I began posting on this thread he has been the only consistency in this entire process, as in he is consistently assisting everyone on here with their questions and providing feedback.

Second of all, they send these BQA letters electronically??? Who else has received one???

Third of all, everyone on this forum should get the job because we are the ones that desire it the most.

[igneous]

First of all, Where has intheaircop been? Since I began posting on this thread he has been the only consistency in this entire process, as in he is consistently assisting everyone on here with their questions and providing feedback.

Second of all, they send these BQA letters electronically??? Who else has received one???

Third of all, everyone on this forum should get the job because we are the ones that desire it the most.
They must be sending peoples files to the panel for the DQs to be sent out. I bet we'll see some people getting calls soon.

[marinecop2]

I just checked my Avue profile today. My MHC that I attached over 2 weeks ago is gone. It has been there all along, but, now it's missing as of today. Anyone else have this issue?

[marinecop2]

O well since last time i talked to Fam Dc office is aug of 06..i called them today and found out that i'm in the pool(of cold water). :cool: .The good thing is i did not recieved the BQA letter which means that if you are done, your paper work is in the hand of hiring board (panel) and infront of crystal ball as well :) .So his advice is just patiently wait..Thanks again tower for the heads up!!!

How did you find out your in the pool of candidates for hire? You have a good contact there or did you just speak to anyone in general?

[dtown101]

How did you find out your in the pool of candidates for hire? You have a good contact there or did you just speak to anyone in general?


cant find my Mental Health Recert>>>where did it go???????????

[Penumbra]

cant find my Mental Health Recert>>>where did it go???????????

I clicked on the MHC link within Avue and that sucker just disapeared. :eek:

[jrnwaarmy]

How did you find out your in the pool of candidates for hire? You have a good contact there or did you just speak to anyone in general?


i talked to my fo in L.A. and also FAM DC office. but it doesn't mean anything though about when they will hire.As far as solid answer from them, those applicants that was done is in the pool(cold h20 though) as long as you did not recieve the BQA letter....Now it's up to the hiring board who they will call first...

Intheair!!!!where are you sir? we need more solid answer...Thanks!

[manstown]

That's what's getting passed along. If someone is done with the process, they are the ones that will go through the remaining classes. Now that doesn't mean everyone that is done with the process. There's not that many slots. Those still going through the process will be placed in a pool for later vacancies or hiring. When that will happen???? I wouldn't hold my breath. I will say, that getting turned down should be done by the FAMS. If you get something from AVUE, I'd call the office you interviewed out of to clarify. AVUE shouldn't be doing that. Unless the FAMS have changed that.

[igneous]

That's what's getting passed along. If someone is done with the process, they are the ones that will go through the remaining classes. Now that doesn't mean everyone that is done with the process. There's not that many slots. Those still going through the process will be placed in a pool for later vacancies or hiring. When that will happen???? I wouldn't hold my breath. I will say, that getting turned down should be done by the FAMS. If you get something from AVUE, I'd call the office you interviewed out of to clarify. AVUE shouldn't be doing that. Unless the FAMS have changed that.
avue has been sending out emails like that for a long time now.

[manstown]

It's not AVUE deciding who gets hired or not. It's the FAMS that make that decision. Maybe AVUE can determine in the beginning if a persons KSAs aren't sufficient enough to meet the minimum qualifications. But AVUE doesn't have a say in who gets hired. That's the FAMS call. That's why I'd call the office. They have sent those emails out only to have the people call the FAMS and find out the email shouldn't have been sent. Just a suggestion.

[Ammo22]

First of all, Where has intheaircop been? Since I began posting on this thread he has been the only consistency in this entire process, as in he is consistently assisting everyone on here with their questions and providing feedback.

Second of all, they send these BQA letters electronically??? Who else has received one???

Third of all, everyone on this forum should get the job because we are the ones that desire it the most.


I have been reading this thread since page 19 and since about page 40 nothing new has really happened or been posted. Everyone asks the same questions over and over and over again. Intheair probably has nothing new to let people know. He probably has better things to do than repeat himself every 5th page. You have to think logically here. An academy, any academy that deals with law enforcement can only have so many people in it. There are only so many people you can teach at one time. Think about the fact that this job has been posted for almost two years. If you have not finished the process yet, you should probably look for employment elsewhere as a first choice. I mean come on this is the Federal Gov't, when they are ready to hire they will. This is not to say that you wont get hired as an air marshall tough. As far as avue sending out BQA e-mails, air marshals enter that info into a computer and AVUE is just the company that relays the message. If you do get one of these e-mails definately double check though. The only people who can really tell you about hiring are the ones in DC who actually do the hiring.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

INTHEAIRCOP is here. I have been doing alot of international trips and getting tired of London. I am sorry to say that I have not heard a word on the hirring. We lost 2 more FAMs this month. My office is never going to replace the 75-90 FAMs that have left since I got hired in 2001. I was told a month ago that HQ was changing the numbers at each office. Maybe my office is not getting new hires becasue HQ cut back on the postions but what do I know. All I know is that my next flight is very early in the morning and I hate the Boston turn on American Airlines. See you guys later.

[knightrider26]

hello everybody, I'm new to this forum. I've been done the whole process since Jan. 07 can anyone verify when they will begin to hire.

[manstown]

hello everybody, I'm new to this forum. I've been done the whole process since Jan. 07 can anyone verify when they will begin to hire.

No. Only HR knows that answer.

[dnehack]

Knight, That is a very funny question!!

[tua]

hello everybody, I'm new to this forum. I've been done the whole process since Jan. 07 can anyone verify when they will begin to hire.


sometime between now and the apocalypse

[dtown101]

everyone on this forum

just to see the progress on how fams is working; could yall put down what you have done in a timeline form

July 2006
Conditional Offer
Aug 4 2006
Panel Interview
Medical
Psyche
PTA
Feb 2007
Recert
April 2007
Mental Health Recert

now the waiting continues?????????????????????????????????

[knightrider26]

I guess that is everybody's question on here huh Dneck?

July 28, 2005- Applied
August 2005- Conditional Offer
June 2006- Panel Interview, Drug Test, Psyc. Test 800 questions
August 2006 - Medical
October 2006- Psyc. Evaluation
January 2007- PT Test
March 2007- Mental Health Recert

The waiting still continiues.......................

[rugermk2]

2/07 applied, COE, SAF-86
3/07 fingerprints, MHC
(5/07 interview scheduled)

Not really expecting anything, just maintaining a diversity of job applications with various agencies ...... :rolleyes:

[dnehack]

Knight, you could say that again LOL

I guess that is everybody's question on here huh Dneck?

July 28, 2005- Applied
August 2005- Conditional Offer
June 2006- Panel Interview, Drug Test, Psyc. Test 800 questions
August 2006 - Medical
October 2006- Psyc. Evaluation
January 2007- PT Test
March 2007- Mental Health Recert

The waiting still continiues.......................

[DWCgrad]

Applied 9/05

Interview 7/06
Drug test 7/06
800 question Psych 7/06
Physical 8/06
PT 10/06
Psych interview10/06
Recertification 3/07

Just learned that I am only “Qualified.”
That just probably isn’t good enough with this pool.
It really stinks because I really had a passion for this career and this agencies mission.

[Supersonic527]

Applied 9/05

Interview 7/06
Drug test 7/06
800 question Psych 7/06
Physical 8/06
PT 10/06
Psych interview10/06
Recertification 3/07

Just learned that I am only “Qualified.”
That just probably isn’t good enough with this pool.
It really stinks because I really had a passion for this career and this agencies mission.

How did you find out you were only qualified?

[tua]

September '06 - Applied/Cond. offer
December '06 - Passed I'view
March '06 - Recert App/Pscyh recert thingy


- probably will be dropping out of this process as I have passed my BI with PSP and will be in their academy soon. One less applicant for you guys to worry about I hope. good luck to all !!!!!!!

[Bubba13]

Interview 7/31/06, Drug test 7/31/06, Physical 7/31/06, PT 7/31/06, App. re-cert 2/07, Mental health 4/07. As of 4/13/07 waiting

[Tower]

Applied and COE 5/06
Interview and Urinalysis 7/06
Medical 8/06
PTA and Psych Cert Statement 9/06
Psych Recert 2/07
Application and Psych Recert 3/07

Yes...I did have 2 Psych recerts...

[tdparmel]

What is the PSP?