Air Marshal Job Open !

[thermop6]

Heh - well that sounds about right - two different answers. That just about defines this FAMS hiring process...

[JSS1284]

Hey guys..a little interested in the Air Marshals. Currently a junior at Eastern MI. Was laid off from Detroit PD last year while in the academy, month away from graduation. Anyways I know you guys have been through most of the hiring process. Was wondering what kind of experience you need to be looked at for hiring. Have around 75 credits towards a BA in accounting. Around 7 months working for DPD, 5 of those in the academy, and about 7 months as a police cadet at Wayne State. I know a lot of federal jobs require related experience if you don't have a 4 year degree, but if I possibly qualify and they're hiring next year I don't want to miss out on an opportunity if I decide to go that route. Any info is appreciated, apologize for the off topic question

[Ammo22]

Hey guys..a little interested in the Air Marshals. Currently a junior at Eastern MI. Was laid off from Detroit PD last year while in the academy, month away from graduation. Anyways I know you guys have been through most of the hiring process. Was wondering what kind of experience you need to be looked at for hiring. Have around 75 credits towards a BA in accounting. Around 7 months working for DPD, 5 of those in the academy, and about 7 months as a police cadet at Wayne State. I know a lot of federal jobs require related experience if you don't have a 4 year degree, but if I possibly qualify and they're hiring next year I don't want to miss out on an opportunity if I decide to go that route. Any info is appreciated, apologize for the off topic question

The Air Marshal Job is posted on USA jobs. Go there and follow the directions. The minimum requirements are listed before you start your application.

[george4]

JSS1284,
it sounds as if you are new to the world of LE. Detroit PD is not the FAMS. I work for a PD and we could not hold a candle to what Detroit PD sees in a single shift. If traditional police work is what you want, look at another PD, get the action out of your system and then apply to the FAMS. There is the possibility to transfer from the FAMS to another agency but choose wisely before you jump. just my .02.

[AV8TOR]

I have also been processing since Aug. 05 Last month I was contacted to schedule my psych interview and PTA. I had my psych interview this morning and my PTA is OCT. 31 I suppose they are trying to finish the applicants who are near the end.

AV

[bdfjr24]

I know there are alot off people on this board currently in the process, so I hope someone might be able to help me out. I applied and received the COE in Sept 06. I received an email saying that additional medical information was needed due to past surgeries etc. When I go into my account on AVUE it states that I need to schedule my medical exams. If this is true, does anyone know a phone number that I should call to schedule these exams? If you do please PM me with any info? Thanks

[mjlam23]

I'm in the same boat, waiting for FAMS medical to contact me. AVUE says someone will contact you as none of the phone numbers on the forms work. Good Luck!

[kw111]

I have also been processing since Aug. 06 Last month I was contacted to schedule my psych interview and PTA. I had my psych interview this morning and my PTA is OCT. 31 I suppose they are trying to finish the applicants who are near the end.

AV

It looks that way. I have my PTA on the 23rd and the Psych later this month. I'm just happy they are still moving on the process.

[dtown101]

It looks that way. I have my PTA on the 23rd and the Psych later this month. I'm just happy they are still moving on the process.


anyone with their PTA has expired..anyways i heard that the PTA is only good for 120 days...this waiting sucks...ive been done with everything since aug 4th and still no word from them :confused:

[Ammo22]

Got a call today to schedule my psych. just waiting for the Dr. to call me back so we can set a time.

[kw111]

Well, I had my PTA today with 7 other guys in Atlanta. About half had already had the oral psych and about half were still waiting- most had been in the process for 8 months to 1 year.

[Ammo22]

I scheduled my psych for the 10-30. Not sure what to expect. The FAM process has gone pretty quickly compared to other Federal Agencies. Most of the other agencies take almost two years maybe longer and there is still no guarantee that you get the job.

[manstown]

The process may be slowing down for now because the rumor is that they are short on instructors. Once that issue gets fixed more calls may be going out.

[Ammo22]

I did get an e-mail from AVUE a while back in reference to a job as an instructor for the FAMS.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

Ammoo22,


Is the postion for a FAM instructor or a civilian instructor for the FAM service? Some instructor postions at the FAM school is for current FAMs and some or for civilian instructors.

[Ammo22]

Ammoo22,


Is the postion for a FAM instructor or a civilian instructor for the FAM service? Some instructor postions at the FAM school is for current FAMs and some or for civilian instructors.

I really don't remember cause it was a couple months ago and AVUE just sent me the e-mail cause I had requested to be alerted to jobs similar to the Air Marshal one I had applied for. I wasnt even qualified so I just deleated it. I do know that the openings were for instructors at the AC facility.

[TheXandyman]

Hi all, I've been reading this entire gigantic thread and have found lots of great answers. I am writing this first post because I am really, really frustrated and wondered if anyone here has any clue what's going on.

I am a military intel officer with 5 years in, getting out on 11/30. I have degrees in anthropology, Chinese studies and can speak 9 languages proficiently. I have extensive foreign travel and combat experience. I also possess a TS/SCI clearance.

So, I did the Avue app in late June and, like most, I got the almost-immediate COOE. Wow cool, I thought. A few days later I got the call to come to the Orlando office for a sitdown. I went in early July and had my 3-person panel. I waited for all the applicants that day to be done, then the recruiter came out and said I was the only one who passed. So I did the urinalysis right there and then was called in for that big long psych written exam. I finished it all and the recruiter was saying I was highly desirable, they really liked me and "I could easily start in December" if I wanted to. Wow!

Well I said January was preferable and he said "Awesome, you'll start in January. You just need to do the med screening and as long as no one screws up your security clearance you'll be starting in the January class." He said the next time I heard from him would be "in a couple weeks" to come and do the PT exam (which I'd ace) and I'd get the OOE.

Anyway, a few days later (all still in July) the medical people call me, set me up, and I did my med screening. There were some screwups, so they sent me to another local doctor to finish it (the first doc had never had a FAMS applicant before and was bumbling around). Now this is early August, and I considered myself totally done.

So I waited, and waited. In late September I called the Orlando recruiter again and he sounded, frankly, extremely hurried and nervous. He was "yeah yeah yeah"ing me and I asked politely if I could expect to do the PT exam soon. Yeah, yeah yeah and that was it.

So fast forward to October. Still waiting, and with about 30 days left until I'm officially unemployed with no savings, I've been calling and calling. (OK, I only called 3 times, I'm not dumb.) The recruiter has never answered the phone. I called the duty officer one day (he was very angry I'd used that option, what did I know!) and he said oh sure he'd talk to the recruiter tomorrow and ask him to call me.

Nothing. Two weeks ago I called the main desk and asked if my recruiter was even there anymore. She sounded annoyed and just patched me through to his voicemail. He has never called me back.

What is going on here?????????? I am so unbelievable frustrated. Why would an org lead you on only to stop taking your calls and not care that they had made a commitment? Anybody with any guidance, it will be most welcome.

Best,
Dirk

[Bullboy11]

First off the local field offices do NOT do the new hiring! They process you and pass on the information to headquarters. After your PT your file goes to the hiring panel and then a selection manager who makes selections.

Currently they have not been doing to much hiring right now. If you don't have an EOD the chances of you starting anytime soon are slim to none.

The process is long; I would just sit and wait like everyone else! Calling is not going to make the process faster for you and there are probably a few thousand people that are also waiting on the call!

[INTHEAIRCOP]

I second that.

[TheXandyman]

They did a rotten job then in telling me I'd "start in January" if we're talking about this taking a year. If they had even once given me that inkling I would have written it off. I'm getting discharged in November and can't afford to sit around at their whim unemployed (I have been unable to get any other jobs). They gave me a false sense of hope.

This is just my feeling. People tend to take things personally on the Net; please do not reply to this with negativity. I appreciate everyone's reply.

[manstown]

I would say look to get a job somewhere so you have some income. IF they call and give you the job you can take it. There are many people ahead of you and there is no sure thing here. Even the people hired are sitting around the Offices and waiting to go to the Academy. And there is no sign they are going anytime soon, probably not until January. Until they start getting those sort of things together, I wouldn't hold my breath. And this is not me trying to be Negative. It's only the reality.

[Armyflyboy]

They did a rotten job then in telling me I'd "start in January" if we're talking about this taking a year. If they had even once given me that inkling I would have written it off. I'm getting discharged in November and can't afford to sit around at their whim unemployed (I have been unable to get any other jobs). They gave me a false sense of hope.

This is just my feeling. People tend to take things personally on the Net; please do not reply to this with negativity. I appreciate everyone's reply.

I've been hired and assigned to the NYC field office reporting December 10th. I've spoken with the FAMS Human Resources Department quite a bit lately, and the head of that department has personally told me that she has no dates for EOD after December 10th. Not that dates won't be released in the future, but she didn't have any as of a week ago. With this said, I have no idea how a local field office recruiter was able to say you would be hired with an EOD in January; seems strange that he would know this but the head of FAMS HR didn't.

Your best bet is to continue with the process and hopefully hiring resumes soon. Good Luck.

[dtown101]

I've been hired and assigned to the NYC field office reporting December 10th. I've spoken with the FAMS Human Resources Department quite a bit lately, and the head of that department has personally told me that she has no dates for EOD after December 10th. Not that dates won't be released in the future, but she didn't have any as of a week ago. With this said, I have no idea how a local field office recruiter was able to say you would be hired with an EOD in January; seems strange that he would know this but the head of FAMS HR didn't.

Your best bet is to continue with the process and hopefully hiring resumes soon. Good Luck.

good luck with everything...i heard from some of my friends in Atlantic City that the shooting is tough...im still waiting to hear from them ...done with everything and Im a Fed police frustrating--my pt expires on dec 4th

[Tower]

I've been hired and assigned to the NYC field office reporting December 10th. I've spoken with the FAMS Human Resources Department quite a bit lately, and the head of that department has personally told me that she has no dates for EOD after December 10th. Not that dates won't be released in the future, but she didn't have any as of a week ago. With this said, I have no idea how a local field office recruiter was able to say you would be hired with an EOD in January; seems strange that he would know this but the head of FAMS HR didn't.

Your best bet is to continue with the process and hopefully hiring resumes soon. Good Luck.


When were you hired if you don't mind me asking?

[Armyflyboy]

I was hired on 29 September. I received the call on the 29th and was told to fax my offer letter back by the morning of the 30th, due to the end of the fiscal year. I started the process in August and was hired in September.

[Ammo22]

Completed my Psych eval on 10-30-2006. I guess it went well. A little worried as she asked about any tickets I got and I have more than a few speeding tickets in the past. Oh well just have to wait and see.

[off_kimball]

I was hired on 29 September. I received the call on the 29th and was told to fax my offer letter back by the morning of the 30th, due to the end of the fiscal year. I started the process in August and was hired in September.

You started in Aug and was hired by Sept?? Thats super fast. What did the process consist of? NYC, is that where everyone goes? I am really interested but not sure I want to make a move do they give u top 5 chooses or just where ever u end up? What is the starting pay?

[Bullboy11]

Why does everyone ask the same old questions over and over again ?? Do some research on the job?? Or read back on the long thread.

Go to USAJOBS.COM

[INTHEAIRCOP]

YHEA, but alot of pages to read so i guess just ask once again.

Promote confidence in our Nation’s civil aviation system through the effective deployment of Federal Air Marshals to detect, deter, and defeat hostile acts targeting U.S. air carriers, airports, passengers and crews

[AV8TOR]

Alrighty Psych Interview, Done. PTA, Done. Now back to waiting
Keeping my fingers crossed.

AV

[Ammo22]

Just wondering if anybody new who to call if there is anybody to call and check that the FAMS received the psych eval report from the psychologist.

[jrnwaarmy]

good day!!just wondering if fams starts calling people for employment (for , those who finish the process)and whats the expiration for pt test? is it 90 or 180 days, and psych also.thanks for all the input.

[dtown101]

good day!!just wondering if fams starts calling people for employment (for , those who finish the process)and whats the expiration for pt test? is it 90 or 180 days, and psych also.thanks for all the input.


pt is good for 120days if ur an applicant and med and psyche are good for 1yr. also, when did you finish the the process? i finished the process on aug4 and was told if you havent received an email from avue about a rejection then it looks to be pretty good. also, from a inside source they do prefer 3 yrs exp. esp federal exp.

[AV8TOR]

We should keep this forum alive so that we can distribute info.
I've been done with the process for a while, and just waiting. I talked to a lady from avue who mentioned that applicants that have been in the process for a while may want to fill out and submit the credit check authorization form on the background link on avue. She stated that it was not mandatory as of yet but it would be a shame to have that hold your application up after so long. Just a heads up.

AV

[Ammo22]

Got a call. PTA scheduled for 11-20

[Legend1bt]

Just finished the PT Portion today.

Pull-ups: 19
Sit-ups: 44, 1 minute time limit
Push-ups: 63, 1 minute time limit
Run Time: 10:53, 1.5 mile run

I really dont know what is considered good or not but hopefully after completing this process I can finally get a start date.

Also did anyone fill out some mental health cert on avue? Got a email from FAMS telling me to fill out that form and fax it back in, only problem is it's not on Avue. Furthermore I never took the Psch Test. When I went for the interview I was told they didnt do that anymore does this sound right?

[Tower]

Just finished the PT Portion today.

Pull-ups: 19
Sit-ups: 44, 1 minute time limit
Push-ups: 63, 1 minute time limit
Run Time: 10:53, 1.5 mile run

I really dont know what is considered good or not but hopefully after completing this process I can finally get a start date.

Also did anyone fill out some mental health cert on avue? Got a email from FAMS telling me to fill out that form and fax it back in, only problem is it's not on Avue. Furthermore I never took the Psch Test. When I went for the interview I was told they didnt do that anymore does this sound right?

Your scores are in the top portions. I can't recall what falls into the excellent range. It doesn't really matter. The mental health cert form is on avue. It's under the print and sign required documents section along with the BI release, Medical release, Credit Check release, etc. Specifically its called "Mental Health Certificate" located at the bottom of the web page. You are not required to have the Psych test administered it you were given a COE after a certain date which I don't recall either. I fall into the same category as you do. I am not required to have the Psych test. My COE was May 11, 2006.

What else do you have left to complete? I've been done with everything since Sep 13th. Missed the end of fiscal year mass hiring and now just waiting for the next round to start.

[Legend1bt]

Your scores are in the top portions. I can't recall what falls into the excellent range. It doesn't really matter. The mental health cert form is on avue. It's under the print and sign required documents section along with the BI release, Medical release, Credit Check release, etc. Specifically its called "Mental Health Certificate" located at the bottom of the web page. You are not required to have the Psych test administered it you were given a COE after a certain date which I don't recall either. I fall into the same category as you do. I am not required to have the Psych test. My COE was May 11, 2006.

What else do you have left to complete? I've been done with everything since Sep 13th. Missed the end of fiscal year mass hiring and now just waiting for the next round to start.

I went to Avue under print and sign documents and it isn't there. I got the COE sometime in 2005, if I recall correctly. Did you have to meet with a psychiatrist?

This is what I have done so far.

Interview and **** test July
Medical Aug
Pt Test Nov

That’s pretty much it. As far as I know there isn’t anything else that I need to do. Have you heard anything at all?

[Tower]

I went to Avue under print and sign documents and it isn't there. I got the COE sometime in 2005, if I recall correctly. Did you have to meet with a psychiatrist?

This is what I have done so far.

Interview and **** test July
Medical Aug
Pt Test Nov

That’s pretty much it. As far as I know there isn’t anything else that I need to do. Have you heard anything at all?

I did not have to meet with a shrink because of the time I received my COE. You on the other hand should have to according to what others have done with similar time lines. Things may have changed over the past month but I doubt it. Check your PM

[dtown101]

thats good numbers but they just want to see how fit you are ....been done with everything since aug 4th they are in slow mode right now. i have a friend waiting at the wash field office since october and he was told that he wouldnt be going to AC until March-already a LE....if they dont want you ..you will get a email via avue....no news is good news...fyi pt is good for 120 days...everything else 1yr

Pull-ups: 19
Sit-ups: 44, 1 minute time limit
Push-ups: 63, 1 minute time limit
Run Time: 10:53, 1.5 mile run

I really dont know what is considered good or not but hopefully after completing this process I can finally get a start date.

Also did anyone fill out some mental health cert on avue? Got a email from FAMS telling me to fill out that form and fax it back in, only problem is it's not on Avue. Furthermore I never took the Psch Test. When I went for the interview I was told they didnt do that anymore does this sound right?[/QUOTE]

[Ammo22]

you can access the FAMS training guide if you saved the COE e-mail. In that e-mail there is a link to the pre-training guide which lists what scores are excellent, good, fair, poor, very poor. Pull-ups excellent is >10, sit-ups excelent is >46, push-ups excellent is >54, and 1.5 mile run excellent is <10:17.

[warraich02]

hey guys:
I applied back in Nov 05, got COE the same day than waited and waited and waited.... and finally was interviews in Jul of this year. About 5 days after the interview, I received an email saying that better qualified applicants are being considered, and that i am no longer in the process. I even had my medical and fingerprints done.
I wanted to reapply. I was under the impression that I would have to wait for a year before submitting another application. I wrote an email to Avue asking them when is the earliest i can apply again. They said I can apply again anytime. How does that work? Do I have to creat another id/password and essentially do the whole application all over again? or is there anyone i can just go online and resubmit my previous application. Nothing has changed in my application since I applied.

[manstown]

I'd reapply and take a little more time on the KSA's. If anything that could help out a little more.

And for all those waiting.....There are alot of people just sitting around the offices waiting to go to training. So it may be a while before you guys get hired. I do know that they have a good amount of people hired already and don't know if they'll hire many more. Don't stop what you're doing or bank on the job. The Government has a funny way of doing things. I do know they have enough people hired for the next 3 classes, but because of so many people waiting for training and the clases going on right now, they are working overtime at training. It may be a while, it may not happen. Who knows!

[Ammo22]

The director of the Philadelphia field office said pretty much the same thing about waiting around and not putting all your eggs in one basket. No news is good news. I am just glad that at least they will let you know if you did not get the job. Good luck all.

[copper02]

I started process last summer, I did my panel interview which they said went well, and then did my urine screen. That was a month ago, what is next, and about how long is the wait process? Thanks for any information you guys have!

[manstown]

No one can say how long you're going to wait. Read my post above.

[milica]

Hey guys does anybody knows what questions are on panel interview and how many people are there.

[dnehack]

I dont think anyone will come right out and tell you what questions are on the panel interview so I will tell you to study your KSA and everything else is basic interview questions. The interview varies between three and five on the panel.

[Ammo22]

The guys on the panel specifically ask that you not talk about what went on in the interview.

[Ammo22]

I started process last summer, I did my panel interview which they said went well, and then did my urine screen. That was a month ago, what is next, and about how long is the wait process? Thanks for any information you guys have!

The Officer in Charge at the Philadelphia field office told us before we completed the PTA that out of that office they interviewed over 200 applicants and only about 10 % went beyond the interview process. You could wait another year or two or you could wait a week before the next step. Avue has a flow chart on how the process will go but after reading these threads for months everyone has gone through the process in differnt orders. My best advice for you is to make sure AVUE always has your current information and go about your life as usual. Dont worry about the FAMS calling you and stay healthy.

[PPDMO373]

The guys on the panel specifically ask that you not talk about what went on in the interview.

Exactly. Over at anothe forum, it was stated that a few folks got in trouble for asking the same questions and getting answers from folks that were told to shut up about the interview itself.....

[dtown101]

Hey guys does anybody knows what questions are on panel interview and how many people are there.



If you need help on the panel maybe this isnt the type of job for you>>>

[orangeshirt]

Copper02,

I bet we interviewed on the same day in Chicago. I, too, passed the interview and was given the drug screen. ...still waiting to hear more info. PM me if you'd like to chit chat.

[litreofcola]

Okay, this is my first post. I am in the process for air marshal like everyone else on here. I just finished my panel interview yesterday, and was told that I passed and that Avue would contact me for my medical check. Does anyone have any idea what the acutal chances of getting hired are one you get this far?

[Diesel27]

Okay, this is my first post. I am in the process for air marshal like everyone else on here. I just finished my panel interview yesterday, and was told that I passed and that Avue would contact me for my medical check. Does anyone have any idea what the acutal chances of getting hired are one you get this far?

I think it all depends on what qualifications you bring to the table. Education, prior law enforcement or military, foreign language ability, specialized training, etc. Just by reading this forum frequently you can see that some candidates have been selected with a B.A. or B.S. and no experience and others who have a wealth of specialized experience/training who have not been selected. Additionally, it depends on how you are rated in each of the pre-employment phases as well I would think. It all boils down to if you are a potentially good fit for this agency and have shown a strong work ethic. Good luck. Just my 2 cents.

[litreofcola]

No prior millitary, just been a street cop for the past five years. I also have about 3 years of 911 dispatch experience. As a cop I have served in a college town with a local millitary base as well, mainly dealing with drunks and what not. I also have done some work in high school systems, and have received training in that area (to include some on active shooter and terrorism). I also have received my FAA flying armed certification, not sure if that helps or not. If age is a factor I am 25 years old. As far as how I have done on each of my phases, it seems nobody will tell you. My original application was put in on the 25 of October, and I finished with my interview yesterday. I just wish I had some idea, I have to get lasek to pass the medical. My recruiter was telling me to go for it, he said lasek could help all of your life, and told me not to worry about it. He also told me to make sure that I train and perform well on the pt test. He stressed its importance often.

[FedLEBound]

Hey there. Obviously you've done well for yourself and have progressed into L.E. with hard work and dedication. Do you have any college with your experience? I too am in the process. I happen to know several air marshals and other Federal agents who have all told me to remember one thing...Patience. All this stuff takes time as done any job with the Fed Government. As far as whether or not you passed, they may or may not tell you at your panel interview. Did you take a UA? If so that's probably a good sign. The only thing I'm waiting is the PT and Medical so I'm just taking my time and preparing for it. Applicants who are not selected will recieve an e-mail from Avue stating they are no longer in the process. No news is good news my friend. A friend of mine who is now an agent said it took him 3 years to be picked up. Others only a year or shorter. All depends. I'm only 24 years old too so I know how hard the competition is out there with guys that have triple the experience but just hang in there and if it was meant to happen for you it will. If not, thanks for serving as Cop.

[litreofcola]

I have some college, but no degree. I started in 911 at 18, and with working 50-60 hr weeks on midnights I was falling asleep on the way home from my college classes, so I made the choice to take the work experience over the education. They did tell me that I had passed the interview, and I got the chance to pee in the old cup again. I just wish I knew how many were being hired, and how many people have actually gone threw the system. You know street cops, we love facts. I want to know what my chance of actually making it actually is, and it seems that nobody knows or will tell you. My guess is about 50/50 but who knows? I also wish you actually got to meet the people who hire you. It sounds like the board recomends you to D.C. and they look at your file. I am an old Kansas boy, and I like to be able to look somebody straight in the face when I ask for something, to have them look back at me when they tell me yes or no. But is sounds like I am going to be stuck checking my email, just hoping for good news one day.

Oh yeah, they told me my medical would be scheduled in about a month, and then I would return to the field office for p.t. testing.

[kw111]

Yeah, all I can say is get comfortable. I've been in the process for coming up on a year. But there are definitely guys who've been waiting longer. I've gone through all the components and have been told to sit tight. If you've got questions, pretty much every question imaginable had been addressed at some point in this thread and besides, it makes for a good read. Good luck everybody.

"I don't want a large farva. I want a * litre o' cola!" LOL funniest cop movie ever

[Penumbra]

As with others who have voiced their hiring process "challenges," I experienced a big delay during the medical eval phase...which took 3 months from the time taken until it cleared FAM medical--having finally taken the PFT earlier this week. Due to the ineptness of a lot of the outsourced medical facilities, as well as the bureaucracy of the federal gov't, various delays will likely occur. Do what you can to stay savvy on the stages of the hiring process so that you can mitigate some of these speed bumps when possible...but bottom line: prepare yourself for the long haul and stay motivated.

And regarding the likelihood of getting hired after a successful completion of the interview....I'm sure HR has bumped the numbers and has made some cool graph and/or flow chart depicting it in detail with color-coded percentages. Let me know if you get a hold of this so that I can sip my coffee at night and contemplate my status.

[FedLEBound]

Just so people are aware, I spoke with a lady from HQ today to inquire about any news and she said that FAMS isn't doing anymore hiring as of now. However, I also spoke with my recruting office today and was told they had temporarily postponed hiring during the London Terror Plots but have resumed and are still conducting interviews to this day. Hence they are still hiring. The lady may not be in the know or in the wrong department or maybe she may be under the assumption they are paused due to the incident in London or because of the new Fiscal Year restarting....

[manstown]

They may be interviewing, but I wouldn't plan on the hiring anytime soon. What they may be doing is building a list of qualified hires for the future. If the funding allows for more to be hired, then they will go forward with those people. But as I said a couple threads ago, I wouldn't stand by the phone for the call. I would say keep it in the back of your mind, but keep going on with your life and be surprised. Good Luck to everyone!!!

[litreofcola]

I was told by the recruiter that due to the fiscal year they have postponed. Mainly because they do not have a singed and approved budget. Once that happens, then hiring will resume from the list of canidates that they are making. He said it would probably be around the first quarterof 2007 (I think near the end of that quarter). they said they are still hiring for D.C. and New York, and nowhere else at this time. I aksed about how many, and they could not answer. They did say they needed 200 but that they were hoping for budged increases that could allow for about 1000.

[Legend1bt]

Ok I had a couple of questions that I just wanted to throw out there, to get some type of confirmation. Hiring has been postponed due to the new fiscal year and the new budget that’s coming out, is this correct? Second does anyone have any type of time frame when hiring will resume, I know it's been stated in previous post beginning of next year but does anyone have anything more accurate? Again I know some have already posted this information but I just wanted to get a general consensus of everyone here instead of just one or two people throwing out things they got from somebody. Not saying it's not accurate but just wanted to know if this is what everybody is getting form their sources too.

Also I read somewhere in the last couple of posts that between 200 and 1000 could possibly be hired, now is this taken from the most qualified people, or is it just from the people who are further in the hiring process.

I talked to a couple of FAMS but they seem to know little about hiring. I have talked to some people at Headquarters and all they said was that things are being postponed until further notice. Basically saying they didn't know when in the hell hiring would resume.

Guess I’m just getting tired of waiting like everyone else on here and just want something solid. Anybody else getting to the end of their rope with waiting?

[Ammo22]

The field offices know nothing about hiring. They just send off the information when they gather it. The government can push people through this process as fast or as slow as they want to. I applied back in January of 2006. In august there was a big hiring blitz at Dulles airport and whoever went to that did the entire process in one day. Like many people stated in pasts posts you just have to wait, like it or not thats how it is. As far as who they are going to hire who knows. People are still being interviewed, I haved finished to processes and am waiting on the phone call or the e-mail. I know their are plenty of people that went through the whole process and didn't get hired. The best advice for anybody is to just go about your day as normal. Keep applying to other jobs. If the FAMS want you they will call. If anybody does hear anything about hiring and is a member of this forum then they will post something. Don't let this process frustrate you and don't hold your life up for this job.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

Some bad news guys. Just had a meeting with the SAIC and he stated that the new budget was cut by 62 million and guess where that money is comming from? Thats correct, from the hirring money. He said that they will not hire even close what they had planed on. Also if you even had a hope of gettting to south Florida well he aslo stated that will not happen. It looks as only 6 places will except new hires after they fill the NY and DC office(he did not say what 6 places but siad no for Miami and Orlando).

[dnehack]

INTHEAIRCOP you have a PM!!

[Legend1bt]

Ok so how many new hires are we looking at, any idea? Also when will hiring resume ?

[manstown]

I don't know that there will be many more. Like I said a few days ago, they have quite a bit of people sitting in the offices waiting to go to training. Put that with those that are already in training and it doesn't look good. But good luck to all!

[INTHEAIRCOP]

I remember 2 months ago the SAIC in my office said that they wanted to hire close to 1,000 more in 2007. But since the budget cut of 62 million, I can't see that happening. They will cut from new hires first. But we are hurting down here in my neck of the woods. We had 6 current FAMs quit this month alone. They all got other jobs in the FEDs. (1 with the coast guard as a 1811, 1 to NCIS, 2 back to the Border Patrol, and 2 to local police departments.)

[dnehack]

I heard today that it looks like the hiring will resume back in March. So everyone keep in shape and have a good holiday. Hopefully it will happen then.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

Good Luck with that. I hope the very small hand of new hires have a great time as a FAM. It is a very rewarding job and you will see the USA and beyond. Great training!

[Ammo22]

Good Luck with that. I hope the very small hand of new hires have a great time as a FAM. It is a very rewarding job and you will see the USA and beyond. Great training!
It sucks that the budget was cut and there are probably many good and qualified people that may not get a chance to be a FAM. This is the way life works, though. For those that have gone through the process just think that you have been involved in a federal process and you were probably one of the few. This means that you should continue your quest, and not give up because one agency may not want you or they just may not have the funds to support you as an employee. Jobs like this take elite people. So if you really want to be a FAM or even just a FLEO keep at it and continue to obatain what you want; just remember never put your life or your goals aside for one job. Loose the tunnel vision and see the entire future. Your will shal make your may

[dtown101]

no budget cuts

[Legend1bt]

I would venture to say it's accurate... Everything INTHEAIRCOP has said so far as been 100 percent correct. He is like the dark angel bearing bad news but none the less he's reliable. Hopefully they will at least hire the ones who have finished the process, I wasted a **** load of money driving back and forth and taking off work, as I'm sure a lot of you guys did.

[litreofcola]

Ok lets think here though. If the reports of attrition are true, and the reports of the people leaving are accurate, they are going to at least have to replace the numbers that they have lost. If they don't then they could not keep the number of flights up that they have to cover. Maybe with cuts they will not add as many "new" postions, but they will still have to keep at full staff. I would say lets not all get to worked up and lets see how this shakes down. If its bad, then there is nothing we can do, so why stress. I have emailed my recruiter asking about budget cuts, and if it has changed my status, but have not had a response yet. I personally think that hiring will resume as planned. They may not get to hire as many as they would like but I do not beleive that they will just quit hiring all together.

just wait and see, come March you will see people again getting the call. I am about to have lasik just so I can pass my medical. If I really thought hiring would stop, I would cancel my surgery. But, as of the 21 I will have my eyeballs cut open because I think I still have a chance (not sure if it is a good one, but it is a chance). Keep your spirits up, and good things will come. If one door closes, another one will open.

[Ammo22]

even if you dont get the job the Lasik surgery is definately worth it. I had it back in April my vision is 20/15 now.

[dnehack]

Litre, good read and good luck with your surgery.

[FedLEBound]

are you allowed to have your vision corrected to 20/20?

[litreofcola]

are you allowed to have your vision corrected to 20/20?

Yes you can, but it has to be 20/100 uncorrected, otherwise you will get a medical DQ. I am at 20/400 so my options are limited.

[dogma vs karma]

i just applied for the position (on a boring Saturday night) and i got a conditional email?
this system is screwy!

[Ammo22]

i just applied for the position (on a boring Saturday night) and i got a conditional email?
this system is screwy!
Thats just an automated response if you meet the basic qualifications. A computer looks through your info then automatically sends the COE if you qualify.

[tdparmel]

I applied 8 days ago, sent in all applicable forms and even filled out my background. I got the Conditional Offer (which doesnt mean much). I am just waiting to hear back about an interview. Also, when will I get the fingerprint card? On the application I did indicate that I used drugs in the last 7 years . . . the drug was marijuana . . . what is weird is it was a general question about drug use which included pcp, cocaine, etc. I have used drugs just once in last 7 years but since I admitted to it when I took the prison job I decided to be consistent for background purposes.

My background: 1 year of Federal Law Enforcement (Current) Federal Bureau of Prisons
Bachelors degree
Master's education- just need to write a thesis
three years of general work experience post bachelor's degree

[hfab262]

Seems as things are awful quite with the hiring right now. Ive completed pysch, interview, PTA, you name it. Ive already done it. Ive been in processing for over a year and a half. I have recieved a Better Qualified Candidate letter. So...Im assuming that a good thing. My PTA expires on December 15th. So im sure I would have to take that again.....Anyone have logical advice. Or is it simply this way for everyone.

[hfab262]

Just talked to one of the FAMS employees that has been helping with my processing. My PTA expires on Dec. 15th. And was told Im not going to have to retake the PTA. But I was also told that if I haven't recieved a better qualified canidate letter then Im still in the runnings. So feeling a bit in "Limbo" at this point. Any suggestions.

[FedLEBound]

So the letter you recieved was that there are better qualified candidates than and you are no longer in the hiring process at this time? If that is the letter then you aren't being considered anymore. I've never heard of a letter saying that you are a better qualified candidate than others? could you please clarify?

[Penumbra]

What hfab meant to say (I'm almost certain) was that he HAS NOT received the letter….curious hfab, did you get an explanation as to why you are not required to take the PTA again?

[hfab262]

I have not recieved a Better Qualified letter. It was a typo. My bad... Im just done with everything. And waiting around like most. I asked my field office today about the expiration of my PTA. Which is Dec. 15th. They told me that I do NOT have to retake it. So im wondering if they are trying to tell me something. Considering this process has taken so long. And extreme amount of effort. I just figure people deserve some answers. But who am i....

[hfab262]

no explanation. The field office contacted HQ about my PTA expiration. And HQ responded by stating that I dont have to do another PTA. Soo...Who knows.

[manstown]

I have not recieved a Better Qualified letter. It was a typo. My bad... Im just done with everything. And waiting around like most. I asked my field office today about the expiration of my PTA. Which is Dec. 15th. They told me that I do NOT have to retake it. So im wondering if they are trying to tell me something. Considering this process has taken so long. And extreme amount of effort. I just figure people deserve some answers. But who am i....

The reason you haven't received such a letter because there isn't one. At least there wasn't when I went through the process. If they told you there would be one mailed out, then that is yet another new part of the process.

[kr1s]

Wow...Long time since I have been on here as I was discouraged with the hiring process after faxing 37 pages to Avue and no response. I went ahead with my other options, which didn't pan out too well for the FBI at least since I didn't fair too well on Phase I. Such is life.

However, today, I just got my fingerprint cards in the mail. I know...a small step but at least it is something. We will see how things progress.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

INTHEAIRCOP knows all! I get all my information from the big man himself, the SAIC. He is in HQ all the time and as soon as he gets back he lets us know what is going on.

At my office we have lost close to 30-40 percent of the FAMs who came on back on 2001-2002. We were told that we would not be getting any new hires. The word is that only 6 places will be getting new hires. I am not sure what places but I can guess: Detriot, Chicago, Ney York, Newark, D.C., Philadelphia (maybe Boston). My SAIC did not say what offices and I am just guessing.

Good luck all and my new badge I was issued is falling apart. LOL We got new chain badges and I have only had this thing for 4 months and it looks 20 years old. The FAM service seems to always buy us the cheap crap. I guess I should not complain and be happy that I have one.

[dtown101]

???????????????????????????

[manstown]

I have heard just about the same information from people in my office. INTHEAIR has been pretty right on in the past.

[hfab262]

I agree with INTHEAIRCORP. I was told the same about the 6 different locations from my field office. I was told to update Avue in regards to locations.

[litreofcola]

Ok, maybe I am missing something on this whole budget cut issue. But, if they are hiring in D.C. and New York, and they are about to open up 6 additional locations, does that not mean that they are indeed hiring? Wouldn't additional locations being open be a benefit to those of us applying? Maybe I am just a dumb street cop that is missing something, but budget cut or not 6 new locations means they are hiring, and that we all still have a decent chance. (now, if AVUE would get off of there arse and schedule my medical I would be happier).

[Geoharp]

A good friend of mine (FAMS Supervisor) recently told me that DC and NY are still priority but there is going to be some emphasis on what he called "hard to staff" offices. He mentioned Detroit, LA and San Fran. Lateral transfer request of current FAM's will be used to staff some positions. He made it clear to me that nothing is set in stone. This is what he'd heard word of mouth.

[dtown101]

budget cuts???

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

this 62 million budget cut????

this information came from the subcommitte of Appropriations that handles the Homeland Security(US Congress)

FAMS
-last years budget 679 million (06')
-this year requested 699 million (07') both house n senate
-president approved 714 million and signed into law (07')
+35 million from 06'-07'

where is the 62 million dollar budget cut
as of today- their hasnt been any cuts










A good friend of mine (FAMS Supervisor) recently told me that DC and NY are still priority but there is going to be some emphasis on what he called "hard to staff" offices. He mentioned Detroit, LA and San Fran. Lateral transfer request of current FAM's will be used to staff some positions. He made it clear to me that nothing is set in stone. This is what he'd heard word of mouth.

[Trace]

I'm tired of all of the panic posts about budget cuts. I would expect more research from a group a people trying to break into LE. Here is what three minutes on google got me.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=109_cong_public_laws&docid=f:publ295.109

"For necessary expenses of the Federal Air Marshals, $714,294,000."

www.whitehouse.gov/OMB/expectmore/detail.10001070.2005.html
http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/Budget_BIB-FY2007.pdf

Now can we all get back to freaking out about the Panel and the PTA? Or hey how about getting stuck in Detroit that's scary a thought.

Good luck everybody.

Big ups dtown

[hfab262]

Well im out of the race. Recieved the better qualified canidate letter today. After a year and half of processing. Good luck to all of you!

[dtown101]

thank you sir>>>>panel is not that difficult>>>pt >>>if ur in shape u should do fine>>>

I'm tired of all of the panic posts about budget cuts. I would expect more research from a group a people trying to break into LE. Here is what three minutes on google got me.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=109_cong_public_laws&docid=f:publ295.109

"For necessary expenses of the Federal Air Marshals, $714,294,000."

www.whitehouse.gov/OMB/expectmore/detail.10001070.2005.html
http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/Budget_BIB-FY2007.pdf

Now can we all get back to freaking out about the Panel and the PTA? Or hey how about getting stuck in Detroit that's scary a thought.

Good luck everybody.

Big ups dtown

[FedLEBound]

After a year and a half in limbo they turned you down? Even after you completed all of the process?? Did you not do well on your PTA or Psych? What about your background? Any issues in there? Sorry to hear about your loss but it seems there is something missing here. I don't believe they would process you through so much and then discard you like that. Something's amiss. Maybe some of the actual employed FAMS on here could elaborate a little bit. I've been working in Federal L.E. for five years now and have never heard of such a thing unless there was a significant reason. Background? Let me know.

[hfab262]

Dear FEDLEBOUND,

Not sure honestly. Pretty down about the whole thing if you ask me. My PTA was Fair accross the board. Wasn't excellent. But was "Fair." My Psch was good. Even was told there is no significant reason that should even be a issue. Spent thousands on traveling and my time.... So after a year and a half or more. I get a better qualified letter. My contact at my field office was even being very positive and supportive the "entire" time. So...? Im just out here in left field, not knowing what to think. I plan on applying with "ICE" or another agency. Hopefully I can get picked up somewhere.

Thanks!

Ben

[FedLEBound]

I'm sure you will man. Wherever you are meant to be it will happen. Don't let one get you down. I've been turned down before too but most of the time a problem is an opportuntiy in disguise. Good luck and God Bless.

Shaun

[manstown]

I have to say that INTHEAIR or myself aren't trying to freak anyone out. I can say that I have heard just about everything that INTHEAIR has heard. Maybe the 62 million isn't being cut from the budget, maybe it is. Maybe that 62 million is being taken from hiring and put somewhere else in the agency. Who knows? One thing I don know is that there is money being taken away from hiring. And that hiring will more then likely not resume until later on down the road. When.......I don't know. Will it happen again.....Don't know that either. Could that all change Monday.......Possibly. But don't confuse what we are saying as telling anyone anything but things they are expecting may not happen. If anything it is help. And if INTHEAIR says he spoke with the higher ups, you should take it for what it is. Information he is passing on to help answer some of the questions. People want to know why they haven't been called? How long from this step to the next? No one really knows. But if we pass on information from the office or from a SAC, then take it how you want. It is just people trying to help. People don't want to believe it and get bent out of shape because it's not what they want to hear. So be it. That's not the point or the purpose. I say it almost everytime and I'll say it again. Good Luck to all! But don't sell the house, and don't change your lives.

[dtown101]

[
we do listen to what the two of you say>>>>their wasnt any clarification on where the money was from the budget or within fams>>>we do appreciate all the info>>>please update whenever yall here any other info>>>


QUOTE=manstown]I have to say that INTHEAIR or myself aren't trying to freak anyone out. I can say that I have heard just about everything that INTHEAIR has heard. Maybe the 62 million isn't being cut from the budget, maybe it is. Maybe that 62 million is being taken from hiring and put somewhere else in the agency. Who knows? One thing I don know is that there is money being taken away from hiring. And that hiring will more then likely not resume until later on down the road. When.......I don't know. Will it happen again.....Don't know that either. Could that all change Monday.......Possibly. But don't confuse what we are saying as telling anyone anything but things they are expecting may not happen. If anything it is help. And if INTHEAIR says he spoke with the higher ups, you should take it for what it is. Information he is passing on to help answer some of the questions. People want to know why they haven't been called? How long from this step to the next? No one really knows. But if we pass on information from the office or from a SAC, then take it how you want. It is just people trying to help. People don't want to believe it and get bent out of shape because it's not what they want to hear. So be it. That's not the point or the purpose. I say it almost everytime and I'll say it again. Good Luck to all! But don't sell the house, and don't change your lives.[/QUOTE]

[manstown]

I'll definitely keep you guys posted. I get most of my information from a couple buddies that have been the office since September. They are going to Phase II in late January. So they're there more then me. When I talk to them they give me little bits and pieces of what they're told. Anything new comes up, I'll let you guys know.

[manstown]

Just a heads up. The Director sent an email out saying that the hiring requirements have been met for FY 06. There was no mention of hiring for FY07. Just mentioned possible future openings.

[thermop6]

Just a heads up. The Director sent an email out saying that the hiring requirements have been met for FY 06. There was no mention of hiring for FY07. Just mentioned possible future openings.

I think that's ok for the rest of us that are waiting.. FY2006 was over in October anyway so it would follow that the FY06 hiring requirements are closed.. Am I wrong? :confused:

[manstown]

You are correct. FY06 ended with September. I couldn't say if there will be more hires because the way the message ended. It could be up for interpretation. I talked to a few guys that were hired after 9/11, and one thing they said was that the FAMS told alot of people to wait for the call that never went out. Some of them actually got a call to see if they were interested when this new vacancy opened up. I wish I could be more definitive.

[dtown101]

:confused: :confused: eventhough im finished with everthing and waiting >>mans>>>u said that would stop for now>>>so my question to you is why are they still doing interviews etc etc...apparently their are several people that are in my shoes by now>>>are they just hoping that they start hiring for 07' with the people already finished??? very confused now with all of this>>after everything finished for myself and others I know we were told dont worry about anything and you will be picked up soon esp. since you and your friends are already Fed Leos>>>could that be a little misleading???






QUOTE=manstown]You are correct. FY06 ended with September. I couldn't say if there will be more hires because the way the message ended. It could be up for interpretation. I talked to a few guys that were hired after 9/11, and one thing they said was that the FAMS told alot of people to wait for the call that never went out. Some of them actually got a call to see if they were interested when this new vacancy opened up. I wish I could be more definitive.[/QUOTE]

[manstown]

I've talked to a few of the guys hired a few years back. And what they said is that the FAMS did this back then. They interviewed a lot of people only to stop at a certain point. Even with people done the process and waiting. Some were called when this last vacancy opened. Because you are done with the process doesn't automatically get you the job. I know a couple guys from my last agency that didn't get the job and they finished the process. And that was a FLE job. But that's not to say that they are done with hiring. Or you won't get hired. They may hire this year. The may hire next. They may not. I know that there is alot of people already hired just waiting to go to training. Like I said, I wish I could give you guys a more definitive answer. The only thing I can say is just keep going on with whatever you do. And if there are any questions you have I'll try to answer them. If anything new on hiring comes up, I'll try to pass the information on.

[TheXandyman]

I'm beyond exasperated with this slipshod, unprofessional process. See my post back in Oct if you want to be filled in.

I also got some kind of letter from a 703 area code last week saying the "Federal Gov" was turning me down for something. This doesn't help, as I have apps in with about 5 gov agencies. I wonder which one it was, maybe FAMS.

Here's why this seems so impossibly illogical to me. I applied, got the COE, had the interview, was told I was highly desirable, did the medical (I'm military so no way that was a problem) did the Myers-Briggs, and the recruiter in Orlando tells me he'll have me come down for the PT and I'll be classing up in January. Then he ignores all my calls, never returns them, and where the $%%^& am I now? What is going on? Be patient is one thing, but you can only be patient if you're given a reason WHY YOU ARE WAITING. Having a gov recruiter tell you you're accepted and will class up on a certain date and then you get dumped into a vacuum is not a way to treat anyone. Is he embarrassed that he talked all that trash and then couldn't back it up when the budget hit? What is going on?

He specifically told me: "With your COE and a strong interview, all that could screw you up is the background check. But hey, you have a TS/SCI clearance already so no worries." Besides, they never even started my SF-86, they never had me fill one out so I know they never did the BI.

I've been through several US gov hiring processes including military, FBI and other agencies, and they always ALWAYS keep you filled in, and the rule is that once you have that COE they're going to push to get you started.

What can I do? "Wait" is just not an acceptable answer because who knows what they're doing? I can't spend another 2 years waiting. I already got out of the military and am desperate for employment (thanks in part to these clowns and their misinformation I put in my resignation to coincide with the FAMS start date he #$$%%^ing gave me).

I know there are some FAMS apologists on here, and I urge them not to take my comments personally as I saw them do on previous occasions. I am directing this at the agency in general and hoping some others will be able to commiserate on this point and possibly offer some reasons why this is happening.

Remember, I realize the budget thing and the FY yadda-yadda, but their conduct in misleading me and their grossly unprofessional ignorance of my polite calls and requests for info are sickening.

[intheair]

Same exact thing happened to me a year ago. I was called at 7 AM the day of a Blizzard asked to drive up and take the PTA. I did passed all excellents and was told I would get a call later that day. Never heard anything. Then I got a call the day my PT expired and said you expired. I asked why i was never called and got a run around. i was told I would be called for another PT instead two months later I got an email saying I was not in the running anymore. Talk about not keeping your word. I was shocked but I was told with government jobs anything can happen.

[FedLEBound]

So if you got a letter saying you wern't in the running, how did you get hired? Did you re-apply?

[dtown101]

does this quote found familiar>>>>"just stay focused" i feel the same way about the runaround


]I'm beyond exasperated with this slipshod, unprofessional process. See my post back in Oct if you want to be filled in.

I also got some kind of letter from a 703 area code last week saying the "Federal Gov" was turning me down for something. This doesn't help, as I have apps in with about 5 gov agencies. I wonder which one it was, maybe FAMS.

Here's why this seems so impossibly illogical to me. I applied, got the COE, had the interview, was told I was highly desirable, did the medical (I'm military so no way that was a problem) did the Myers-Briggs, and the recruiter in Orlando tells me he'll have me come down for the PT and I'll be classing up in January. Then he ignores all my calls, never returns them, and where the $%%^& am I now? What is going on? Be patient is one thing, but you can only be patient if you're given a reason WHY YOU ARE WAITING. Having a gov recruiter tell you you're accepted and will class up on a certain date and then you get dumped into a vacuum is not a way to treat anyone. Is he embarrassed that he talked all that trash and then couldn't back it up when the budget hit? What is going on?

He specifically told me: "With your COE and a strong interview, all that could screw you up is the background check. But hey, you have a TS/SCI clearance already so no worries." Besides, they never even started my SF-86, they never had me fill one out so I know they never did the BI.

I've been through several US gov hiring processes including military, FBI and other agencies, and they always ALWAYS keep you filled in, and the rule is that once you have that COE they're going to push to get you started.

What can I do? "Wait" is just not an acceptable answer because who knows what they're doing? I can't spend another 2 years waiting. I already got out of the military and am desperate for employment (thanks in part to these clowns and their misinformation I put in my resignation to coincide with the FAMS start date he #$$%%^ing gave me).

I know there are some FAMS apologists on here, and I urge them not to take my comments personally as I saw them do on previous occasions. I am directing this at the agency in general and hoping some others will be able to commiserate on this point and possibly offer some reasons why this is happening.

Remember, I realize the budget thing and the FY yadda-yadda, but their conduct in misleading me and their grossly unprofessional ignorance of my polite calls and requests for info are sickening.[/QUOTE]

[manstown]

So if you got a letter saying you wern't in the running, how did you get hired? Did you re-apply?


Are you thinking about INTHEAIRCOP? Looks like there is intheair and INTHEAIRCOP.

[FedLEBound]

touche`. i did not think of that.

[Hitz]

Hey guys I have been registered here for some time, I am currently in the middle east and wanted to share with you all that I applied over the summer and completed all stages, so I thought, prior to departing for Iraq 29 Aug 06. I departed believing the process had been stopped due to budget, or as previously stated on this site the hiring quota had been met. I got a call in October asking me to come back for the PAT, I almost lost it, I had not heard anyting July, Aug, Sep and believed the process was complete and now here it is OCT and I get a call for a damn PAT. Well I flew back, Why Not! completed the PAT I am 33yrs old, 15-Pull ups, 61-Push ups, 57, Sit-ups, and ran the 1.5mi-11 min(jet lag..i think). Well that ticket was $1900 because of the last minute notice. Before leaving i spoke about the budget and hiring capacity and despite this matter being above their pay grades the SAC and others attempted to answer what they could. They had no idea about budget or hiring quotos but were positive other offices would be opening. This was good enough for me so I bid them all farewell, not before asking if they would need anything else from me, No they said the packet was set to go. I got a call on NOV 29 from not one but two individuals in HR stating that the hiring panel had reviewed my packet and i looked good to go but that they wanted me to do the Pysch eval and they understood I was in the middle east and how sorry they were that if i could not make it back they would hold my packet until i could. Well i said do that, the first thing I learned when applying for these jobs is to just go on living and doing the things you love. Well i got another call and this time I agreed to fly back in a couple of weeks (why not!) I guess what i am saying is if it is possible for you to do something else, just do it, I am prior military and the level of unprofessionalism has caused me to raise my eyebrow once or twice, but i'm not focused on it. again, that is easy to do when you make $14,000/mnth tax free. But good luck and may you all enjoy your holiday! Oh yeah, I also brought up to HR that I did not want to spend $2000 + if they were not hiring, and they assured me they were going to be hiring!

[Hitz]

I just had to say I read and then re-read the dtown 101 post and it got to me! I hope everything works out for you dtown, I hate that people have to go through this especially veterans, don't even get me started on that subject!

[dtown101]

:eek: all i can say about this process is that it is long>>>>to the people that say just live ur lives...they are right....you dont need the stress....inside source told me yesterday hiring will start back up sometime in Jan 07' if it doesnt start up...oh well...ive waited since aug 06' i guess i can wait longer...or apply to other agencies......we all need to keep our heads up....as one recruiter says"JUST STAY FOCUSED" i hate when they tell me that.....im so focused i can see through walls!!!!!!

[Ammo22]

I just want everyone to know my 1 year aniversary in the FAMS process is coming up. So I would like to say congratulations to me. If anyone would like to join me in a toast to me at midnight on new years eve you are all invited. During my toast to me I would like to thank all the wonderful people from officer.com who kept me sain and enlightened me on some details of the process. I would also like to thank avue for making the process as painless as possible and always having an answering machine available to address any problems or questions that I had. I would like to thank my medical examiner for only making me come back to the Doctors office twice and sending out my packet before the end of the month. Lastly I would like to thank my psychologist for telling me that I was not crazy and for informing me that beastiality is not socially exceptable. Happy new year everybody. Maybe some of us can start off the new year with a job as a FAM?????

[dnehack]

Congrats to you Ammo!! Hopefully the New Year will bring great things. :)

[dtown101]

from a inside source close to training division that fams plan on hiring around 400 this yr alone....but it could change.... :confused:

[INTHEAIRCOP]

Hey guys, I am back! I have been on ALV and it has been GREAT! I see a few guys are ****ed off and I understand. I did not have to go through the same process. When I got the call the were flying 100 applicants a day to Atlantic City for a 3 day testing process. After I left I did not think I was getting the job but only 6 days passed and then I got a job offer. They gave me only 10 days to report to duty.

As I said. My SAIC said that they had a huge cut in the budget for new hires. Also as of last week the FAM service was in the process of letting all the current FAMs move to new offices. Once a year a current FAM can apply for another place (office) to work and if they get it you will be on your own to move, no PCS move. I am not sure what is going on because I have not been in the office for some time. I will let your guys know as soon as I see the SAIC.


Oh and by the way, the FAM service does not do things like all the other feds. The FAMs make the rules up as they go along. When you guys get on you will see what I am talking about.

"I can't believe I have been doing this crap for 5 years now!"

[floridaboy954]

Has anyone heard anything lately with FAMS

[Penumbra]

Two previous posts mention perhaps hiring will begin again either this month or in March; the fist source is from a cat who apparently spoke with HR, the second is from INTHEAIRCOP.

[tdparmel]

I just got my fingerprint cards yesterday. I sent them out today.

[mach1engines]

Needed your guys opinion. Was going to fill out the application but thought i would even ask if its worth it. I am 20 year old. Federal armed security officer for nasa. Grew up as a police explorer. Been in security for over a year now. If i applied, what do you think my chances of getting hired are?

[MikeM]

I completed the FAMS hiring process about 5 months ago. I am waiting for my backgound investigation to be completed, and/or funding. When I first applied back in April of 06, they told me that it would be a very fast process and that I would hear something by the end of September. Well I went through both interviews, pychological, medical, and PT. September came and gone and still waiting. So if anyone is waiting for the FAMS don't hold your breath. Also, a good friend of mine is a FAM and he said that if you are interested in police work such as traffic, search warrants, investigations, ect, than the FAMS is not for you. He has told me horror stories about sitting on a runway for hours waiting for departure. But on the flip side if you can handle being confined on a airplane the money is excellent.

[drepol]

Needed your guys opinion. Was going to fill out the application but thought i would even ask if its worth it. I am 20 year old. Federal armed security officer for nasa. Grew up as a police explorer. Been in security for over a year now. If i applied, what do you think my chances of getting hired are?
You've got to be at least 21 to get hired...

[floridaboy954]

Is there anyone going through the process through the Miami Field Office? If so how far have you gotten? I have done everything except the PT test. Also I was told you have to speak to a shrink after you do the test or answer some twelve question. Also the only thing I heard about the process continuing on is possible March or April also. Any new word out there about locations for assignments?

[MikeM]

floridaboy954, I was told either NYC or DC

[manstown]

"Also, a good friend of mine is a FAM and he said that if you are interested in police work such as traffic, search warrants, investigations, ect, than the FAMS is not for you. He has told me horror stories about sitting on a runway for hours waiting for departure. But on the flip side if you can handle being confined on a airplane the money is excellent."

At what point would you think that you would do traffic, serve search warrants as a FAM? As for investigations, FAMS has an Investigations Division. And sitting on a runway kind of goes hand in hand with the fact that FAMs fly on planes. If you're, and I don't mean you I mean anyone, wonder what environment you would be working in as a FAM, you should ask some more questions. FAMs fly. Which means from time to time you will sit on a runway for some time because of many reasons. That's the aviation community.

[Tower]

How is it so many people apply for this job and don't research it before hand? I suppose its easier to just post questions and get answers but its kinda lazy. Most of what you're looking for is in the endless threads already posted with 3 main "positive" forums. They are: this one, real police, and 911. Stay away from the "negative" one as its just full of disgruntled dudes. If you find it you'll know what I'm talking about. Chances are you're questions will not be answered because the usual people who do are getting tired of typing the same thing every time. A few minutes on google will give tons of info including current news related to fams.

Also you will never wait on a runway for hours at a time...you will be holding short of it awaiting aircraft numbers, other planes to land or takeoff ahead of you, or if the pilot sucks and ****ed the controller off. :)

[manstown]

Have to agree with Tower. I have said this before. If you want to know about the job I will give you any information that I can. If it borders OPSEC, I won't answer. But the job speaks for itself. You will be an AIR Marshal. You deal and live by the aviation community.

Tower, you can sit on a runway for hours. Trust me, I have done so. But there are reasons that happens. I enjoy the job. I travel for a living. If you have a family it could be hard. You need to think about it before you do it. If you don't and think you want to travel, this is a great job. But prepare your family for you to sometimes not being there. Again....Good Luck to all.

[Tower]

Not to step on your toes manstown, but as busy as the airports are nowadays an aircraft will not sit on an active runway waiting for departure for more than a few minutes (last minute pilot checklist, atc clearance for takeoff, etc...) I only say this cause thats what I do now. I'm an air traffic controller in a tower. It may seem like you're actually on the runway but you really can't tell with the passenger perspective unless you know the layout of airfield well. At times I get confused at my airport when I fly out and control it everyday. 9 times out of 10 if you are sitting on a taxiway for more then 30 minutes waiting to depart its for flow control programs into the airport you're going or the one you're at. Flow control programs could be for weather or traffic volume or countless other bs...

[PPDMO373]

Not to step on your toes manstown, but as busy as the airports are nowadays an aircraft will not sit on an active runway waiting for departure for more than a few minutes (last minute pilot checklist, atc clearance for takeoff, etc...)

BS....I have sat at ATL, DCA, IAD, BWI, ORD, etc..... for a long *** time (oh say anywhere from 5 mins to over an hour) without weather issues.....it happens......the traffic flow is too great not to.....

[INTHEAIRCOP]

LGA AND PHL is a nightmare! We are allways in a very long line of aircraft trying to take off. We never get off on time out of PHL and LGA because of so many damn planes trying to take off at one time.


FLORIDABOY954 :
I would stay at BSO if I was you. I will get 34% percent if I stay with the FAM service for 20 years. You will get 75% if you stay with BSO and then you have the drop program. We do not get any overtime pay like your guys who work at the airport. I talked to a BSO deputy 2 days ago and he said that he made $160,000 last year and that he will begin the drop in June 07. He siad that his retirment will be $101,000 a year starting June 07. Well as A FAM if I am making, lets say $100,000 a year, I will get $34,000 a year at retirement. We only get 1.7% each year and you guys get 3%, do the math. So since BSO has a very good retirement and you have been there for 6 years, I would stay at BSO.

[orangeshirt]

I don't think you guys are understanding Tower. He is correct. You will never sit on an active (keyword: active) runway for hours. You will sit either on the a taxiway, or holding area (known as the Penalty Box) for a while. I've been flying bodies around for years....

-Corporate Pilot/FAM applicant

[manstown]

I don't think you guys are understanding Tower. He is correct. You will never sit on an active (keyword: active) runway for hours. You will sit either on the a taxiway, or holding area (known as the Penalty Box) for a while. I've been flying bodies around for years....

-Corporate Pilot/FAM applicant

Well I will say this. I was in PHX a couple weeks ago. And an announcement came from the Cpt. that we were 3 rd in line to take off. We sat in the same spot for an hour and ten minutes. When he then came on to announce the take off, we took off from that same spot he announced we were 3rd in line for takeoff. Maybe I don't understand "active." But taking off from the same spot while on a runway would seem to be an "active" runway to me. Considering that and the fact that the 2 in front of us took off from the spots on the runway they were sitting. I know because the Cpt came on and announced each of the 2 taking off. Maybe it doesn't happen that much. But it does happen. If you can, please explain to me an "active" runway if my interpretation is wrong.

And Tower, you were stepping on any toes. This is a informational board. If I can help you I will. If you can help, I hoped you would. No offense taken.

[orangeshirt]

Well I will say this. I was in PHX a couple weeks ago. And an announcement came from the Cpt. that we were 3 rd in line to take off. We sat in the same spot for an hour and ten minutes. When he then came on to announce the take off, we took off from that same spot he announced we were 3rd in line for takeoff. Maybe I don't understand "active." But taking off from the same spot while on a runway would seem to be an "active" runway to me. Considering that and the fact that the 2 in front of us took off from the spots on the runway they were sitting. I know because the Cpt came on and announced each of the 2 taking off. Maybe it doesn't happen that much. But it does happen. If you can, please explain to me an "active" runway if my interpretation is wrong.

And Tower, you were stepping on any toes. This is a informational board. If I can help you I will. If you can help, I hoped you would. No offense taken.


Manstown,


Thanks for the reply. First off, I would like to say thanks for contributing to this board. You always add thoughtful and meaningful commentary here.

An airport consists of runways, taxiways, holding areas, terminals, etc.

When the airport is in operation, there are usually one or two "active" runways (meaning that all traffic taking off and landing will have to use these) The reason they choose active runways could be: winds, time of day (ie: they don't want airplanes over a congested area at night), traffic flow (ie: international departures in the afternoon), etc.

By federal law: Federal Regulations, Aeronautics and Space Title 14 (commonly known as 14CFR...in which the FAR's "federal air regulations" exist)

...you cannot have two aircraft waiting, landing, or taking off of an active runway, at the same time.

Now, keep in mind....large airports have holding areas that are VERY close to the active runway nicknamed "The Penalty Box" where you wait for your takeoff clearance. This area may be within a few hundred feet of the beginning of an active runway. In fact, If given a takeoff clearance, a pilot could very well start his ground roll, continue onto the active runway (with minimal turning) and then immediately apply full takeoff power. Again, to the average traveler, they wouldn't know that they weren't on the runway to begin with.

If you have any other Q's about crazy airport ops, let me know....

orangeshirt

[Tower]

I absolutely agree with you...you will sit for 5 mins to an hour or more due to traffic. What I am saying is that you will not sit on the same surface as the planes taking off and landing on. Think of it like this: you're in your car at a stop sign waiting to get on a busy highway. You can wait at that stop sign all day, **** off a few people behind you but, you wouldn't pull on the highway and sit there until you are ready cause other vehicles need to use it...

Not the best analogy but remember this: a plane cannot land or takeoff with another plane on the same runway. There are a few exceptions to this mainly with military- formation flights, reduced same runway separation. Anyway rules like this that we implement daily are to keep the planes from sharing paint. Without them and with as busy as the skies are now, we would not be able to separate the planes as we would barely be able to separate our butt cheeks due to the ***-pucker factor of all the traffic.

As far as "active" runway....the active runway is the runway the tower deems the one they want to use. Usually the one most properly aligned with the wind or has an operational advantageous use at the time. A runway can become active or inactive at the drop of a dime.

[manstown]

Enough said. I will take your word for it. Thanks for the clarification.

[gonefishin]

Ahhh...the beloved "Penalty Box"....I feel like I spent most of last year in the "Penalty Box" at DCA.

[dnehack]

Just trying to keep this post going strong. I talked to HRO and they said still no deffinate time to start hiring again. Hopefully in March!! Everyone keep faith and hopefully things will work out of all of us.

[hfab262]

Dear FEDLEBOUND,

Much appreciation for words of incouragment. A lot has happened since the BQC letter. Thanks for the insight. Much better off with the recent changes.

Thanks!

Ben

[floridaboy954]

Just trying to keep this post going strong. I talked to HRO and they said still no deffinate time to start hiring again. Hopefully in March!! Everyone keep faith and hopefully things will work out of all of us.

dnehack,

Well no word yet that I have found either. I have been going through this process for a year and four months now. I heard it would be long but man I did not think it would draw out like this. Did you finish everything? I have to do the PT test and I heard speak with a psch but I don't know how true that is. If you hear anything on your end would you be kind to forward anything to me. I am really ready to get the heck out of Florida.

[datfas]

Well, word is they are going to send out another mass emailing to the applicants that are still waiting. The email will be to either recertify your app or withdraw from the process. No word on when they will do this but you heard it here first!!



Also if you currently work for FAMs or TSA and have applied previously, you will have to re-apply under the new vacancy announcement just posted on USA jobs today!! The old application is no good!

[dtown101]

datfas,

where are you getting this new info from>>>and have you heard that they will be taking 400 more agents and that will be it for a while

[INTHEAIRCOP]

The posting on USAJOBS for TSA employees states that there are only 30 postions open.

[Legend1bt]

You know at the chance of sounding disgruntled, bitter, or just ****ed off what in the hell kind of agency is FAMS. Recertify my application? I have been waiting since AUG 2005. Everything I have done with FAMS I have scored great on, from the interview, to aceing the PFT. Im tired of doing this ****, taking off work, wasting my time b/c dumbass HR people or idiotic hiring procedures. It's not like I havent been patient coming up on year number 2 now. Spent hundreds of dollars traveling back and forth.

If this is any reflection of the agency than I think I need to reconsider my options and maybe come to realize FAMS isn't for me.

[dnehack]

Well Legend that is a choice that only you can make. You have to realize that 90% of the hiring process is from outside agencies and not actually FAMS. They are private companies that the government uses, not just FAMS. I am tired of waiting also just like you and everyone else, but if you withdrawl now they win. You dont know if you will like the job if you are hired, but if it where me and I had been waiting two years or more, I would most likely wait it out and see how it goes. If you havent received a No Thanks letter or email then you are still in the process. You just have to have faith and everything will work out in the long run.

[floridaboy954]

Whats this about having to recertify? And has anyone got the email yet? Also how good is the source about hiring 400 more FAMS and is it DC NY or all over? Also the guy that has been waiting for a while, I feel your pain. But as the other guy states, FAMS using these outside agencies which are giving people a bad taste in their mouth about them. I don't know you but hang in there guy, good things comes to those who wait. I am a prime example of that because if I got hired in that big push last year by Oct 06 my ex wife would have got more money so now the - - - - - is getting less fro child support than she thinks. Well hopefully when this big ush to put more FAMS in the sky come along, my name will be on the list and I can leave hurricane Florida to somewhere nice where the taxes are lower and the home owners insurance does not rape you.

[datfas]

dtown,

I have not heard anything about numbers yet. I see some people are getting worked up over the re-certify comment. It will be just an email saying are you still interested. If you have been in the process since July of 2005, you certified at least once already anyways.

[What?]

You know at the chance of sounding disgruntled, bitter, or just ****ed off what in the hell kind of agency is FAMS. Recertify my application? I have been waiting since AUG 2005. Everything I have done with FAMS I have scored great on, from the interview, to aceing the PFT. Im tired of doing this ****, taking off work, wasting my time b/c dumbass HR people or idiotic hiring procedures. It's not like I havent been patient coming up on year number 2 now. Spent hundreds of dollars traveling back and forth.

If this is any reflection of the agency than I think I need to reconsider my options and maybe come to realize FAMS isn't for me.

i was a former CBPO and one day a fellow officer and I were talking about our apps with the FAMS. there waiting for osme FAMS was a supervisory FAM. he was one that conducted the interviews. we asked him what the job was really like and long story short, he basically talked us out of taking the FAM job. he said we were better off looking elsewhere since we already had our foot in the door of FLE. after talking to a few former and current FAMS, I have yet to find one that enjoys it. hey are all trying to leave and the ones that have not, wont because of the money. if you are not in FLE, then i would take it if i were you. but if u are a LEO, then you should reconsider. good luck.

[Milagro303]

I have an interview this next week for the FAMS. Anyone have an tips, general suggestions, thoughts, or particular ways that I should part my hair for the interview?

Any help would be appreciated-

And *cross my fingers* if I were to be lucky to make it past this step am I correct to that that I would then need to complete a Physical, Background, and Psych?

Anyone...? Anyone...?

[Ammo22]

I have a question for anyone who can answer. I have been finished with the process for sometime now and still have not heard anything. I know no news is good news but I was wondering if anyone had any input as to how long it takes until you are notified that you did not get the job.

[dnehack]

Well I am speaking only from experience from other people that received the No Thanks letter or email. They said it was about two or three days from the time they took the PTA. But everyone could be different. If you made it to the PTA and did not receive the No Thanks letter or email, you are probably safe. Like I said though this is the US Government and they can do what ever they want!!

[floridaboy954]

Well I am speaking only from experience from other people that received the No Thanks letter or email. They said it was about two or three days from the time they took the PTA. But everyone could be different. If you made it to the PTA and did not receive the No Thanks letter or email, you are probably safe. Like I said though this is the US Government and they can do what ever they want!!


dnehack,

you still wating for FAM also can you chat one on one in this thing

[manstown]

One thing you might want to know is that just because you made it to the PTA doesn't necessarily mean you have the job. There are many people that have gotten that far waiting like you. Not everyone is going to be hired. Like dnehack said, they can do what they want. Good Luck!

[floridaboy954]

Have FAM started to transfer people around. I know they had a big transfer thing going on. And has anyone talk with anyone that has got good news yet? Like some of the other guys say, we just hav eto be paitent. I have been going through this since 09/05. I am tired and fustrated with it but this is something I am really looking forward to get. So I hope all goes well for me. I am surprised that they have turned away so many people that have alot of good experience though.

[Ammo22]

Well I am speaking only from experience from other people that received the No Thanks letter or email. They said it was about two or three days from the time they took the PTA. But everyone could be different. If you made it to the PTA and did not receive the No Thanks letter or email, you are probably safe. Like I said though this is the US Government and they can do what ever they want!!

Thanks for the response. I am definately well aware that everybody's experience will differ and that even though I finished the process it doesn't mean I will get the job. I am surely not putting my life on hold either. I was pretty much just wondering if anyone had known of the FAMS or AVUE waiting a rediculous amount of time before informing one that they were not qualified. I really want this job but the US gov't isnt paying my bills so you gotta do what ya gotta do.

[dnehack]

Floridaboy, you have a PM.

[floridaboy954]

Has anyone got the certify your app email yet? I spoke with Avue yesterday. of course I got no where with them. I had recertified by app over the weekend to let them know I was still interested and I just wanted to make sure all was ok. But anyway, I told the guy that I was unhappy with the fact that all of us are kept in the dark. He tells me that they are passing everyones concern to FAM that way maybe someone high up can make a difference about this. Maybe he was blowing smoke to me but hey what can I say, I am to low on the todom pole to make a difference. Good luck to all. I am still waiting for the PFT. Oh by the way one of my last questions a few days ago, has anyone heard of anybody getting picked up recently for anything other than D.C NY?

[dnehack]

No body has been picked up since the new FY started...

[Tower]

Has anyone got the certify your app email yet? I spoke with Avue yesterday. of course I got no where with them. I had recertified by app over the weekend to let them know I was still interested and I just wanted to make sure all was ok. But anyway, I told the guy that I was unhappy with the fact that all of us are kept in the dark. He tells me that they are passing everyones concern to FAM that way maybe someone high up can make a difference about this. Maybe he was blowing smoke to me but hey what can I say, I am to low on the todom pole to make a difference. Good luck to all. I am still waiting for the PFT. Oh by the way one of my last questions a few days ago, has anyone heard of anybody getting picked up recently for anything other than D.C NY?

No one has or will be picked up for anything other than DC or NY until they put out a new vacancy announcement that states something other than "Washington, DC and New York, NY are the primary sites hiring". Lets be realistic about what the announcement is saying. According to headquarters "No hiring has been done yet this fiscal year (beginning Oct 2006) due to the mass hiring that took place in Sep. The academies have been back-logged and several of the newly hired agents are just warming seats at there respective field offices until they can get to the academy. Which is most likely going to be in the Mar-April time frame." Makes sense why hiring hasn't happened as of yet. This is what I got from them about 2 weeks ago.

[Tower]

Correction.....the academies will be full until mar-april. New hiring to follow then.

[kw111]

I heard from the FO for the first time since November today. They called to see if I had completed my Psych which I finished back in July. They thanked me and that was all...
I emailed the lead recruiter here in ATL last month and he said they are using this time to complete BI's and such. Sit tight.

[tdparmel]

I didnt hear anything from the fams for a month then I got my fingerprint cards in the mail in early January. I returned the fingerprints immediately. My question, though, is that I checked my application online. I clicked on update application and then it said my application was incomplete. So I had to resend my application. Does this effect the process? Also on the application it says:
At this time please download, print, and complete the following forms
Report of Medical History (SF93)
Report of Medical Examination (SF88)
Components of Physical Examination

Problem is this contradicts the set application process, which I thought was being called for the interview first. Also these forms only have the option to view next to them but I am able to print them. Am I supposed to schedule these appointments now? I am very confused all of a sudden. How do you check on your status (via your application online? when they email you can it only be checked through avue) I thought I had this process down . .. whoops.

[manstown]

Has anyone got the certify your app email yet? I spoke with Avue yesterday. of course I got no where with them. I had recertified by app over the weekend to let them know I was still interested and I just wanted to make sure all was ok. But anyway, I told the guy that I was unhappy with the fact that all of us are kept in the dark. He tells me that they are passing everyones concern to FAM that way maybe someone high up can make a difference about this. Maybe he was blowing smoke to me but hey what can I say, I am to low on the todom pole to make a difference. Good luck to all. I am still waiting for the PFT. Oh by the way one of my last questions a few days ago, has anyone heard of anybody getting picked up recently for anything other than D.C NY?


They'll offer open spots to those already in the agency to other FO's. There won't be any new hires going anywhere but DC or NYC.

[Ammo22]

I didnt hear anything from the fams for a month then I got my fingerprint cards in the mail in early January. I returned the fingerprints immediately. My question, though, is that I checked my application online. I clicked on update application and then it said my application was incomplete. So I had to resend my application. Does this effect the process? Also on the application it says:
At this time please download, print, and complete the following forms
Report of Medical History (SF93)
Report of Medical Examination (SF88)
Components of Physical Examination

Problem is this contradicts the set application process, which I thought was being called for the interview first. Also these forms only have the option to view next to them but I am able to print them. Am I supposed to schedule these appointments now? I am very confused all of a sudden. How do you check on your status (via your application online? when they email you can it only be checked through avue) I thought I had this process down . .. whoops.

When you update the application it is like you are redoing it so then it tells you that your app is incomplete. If you got your fingerprint cards then you finished the application. I did that a couple of times also. All your really doing is sending your application in everytime you do that. If you want to check the status of your application you can do that on AVUE, but I will tell you that I have finished the process and the status has been the same since I got the COE. All it says is that you have Tenatively Passed the Basic requirements- No Selection made. Nothing special. If you try messing around on AVUE a bunch of times you will get the hang of things. The forms that they tell you to print out are for your medical evaluation, I had to bring them with me for my medical. To print them out click on your background investigation link. There should then be a link to print out documents or something like that.

[jrnwaarmy]

i called avue today and ask about re-cert,avue said that fams will re-cert you if they are ready to call you for the job, so im wondering where you guys get this re-cert thing though. i did all the process( done by aug 15 of last year) and ask avue whats the status, avue said that fam is still considering my application. so can any body input on my experience? thanks and good luck. also, they said that if you did not received any thank you letter thats a good sign. so hang in there and hope for the best.!!! :)

[igneous]

i called avue today and ask about re-cert,avue said that fams will re-cert you if they are ready to call you for the job, so im wondering where you guys get this re-cert thing though. i did all the process( done by aug 15 of last year) and ask avue whats the status, avue said that fam is still considering my application. so can any body input on my experience? thanks and good luck. also, they said that if you did not received any thank you letter thats a good sign. so hang in there and hope for the best.!!! :)
I got a recert letter last summer and never heard anything. I basically gave up on this job :(

[dtown101]

from a close source>>>the new classes will start back up in april>>>so people should start to hear things in march>>>also, dc field office is gonna take around 150 new hires...the recert letters are being sent out because they want to know if anything has change also rumor has it not just dc, ny would be chosen for...other cities are consideration>>>along with the recert letters comes the other letter>>>better qualified applicants>>>u dont want that letter....just remember everyone that no federal agency has received the money for their budgets thats why its going so slow

[dnehack]

dtown, do you know when the recert letters will be going back out??

[dtown101]

according to avue> they have not yet gone out and the person i spoke with didnt know when they would be reissued

[floridaboy954]

Can anyone share any insight on this 6c coverage I keep hearing about?

[dtown101]

6c??????????????????????????

[FedIG]

"6c" coverage is an enhanced special retirement provision for federal law enforcement officers, under Title 5 of the US Code. It is retirement at age 50 with 20 years of service, or any age with 25 years of service. 6c is actually for employees under the old CSRS retirement system. Under the current system, FERS, it is known as "12d", but everyone still says 6c. Not all federal law enforcement officers are covered under 6c or 12d. The big clue is if a position has a maximun entry age of 37. Retirement under this system is mandatory at 57, unless a waiver is granted for up to age 60 (very rare).

[floridaboy954]

IS most 1811 positions under this and is there a list of federal agencies that they have for this or like you sayt look primarly for the ones with max age 37?

[INTHEAIRCOP]

For non 6C they have to work 30 years to retire.

[dtown101]

intheair>>>>>have you heard anything about the director is happy with the current numbers and will reasess things in march and make a decision on about hiring more fams>>>??????????

[manstown]

I was told that classes are done for the time being after March. The next classes will start up at the middle to end of the year into next.

[floridaboy954]

Where did you get this info from? And is it a reliable source about classes are done for the year?

[INTHEAIRCOP]

I have not been in the office since some time early Dec. I will ask the SAIC when I see on Feb14.

[manstown]

Where did you get this info from? And is it a reliable source about classes are done for the year?

It was a pretty reliable source. Very reliable. But you guys have seen the ups and downs of the hiring process. Things could change. Lets see if INTHEAIR hears the same thing.

[HDbluelite]

I have been in the process since March 15 2006 and have down all of my phases through the Atlanta field office. Is there anyone else that is through the Atlanta field office?

[JamaicanLP]

I have been in the process since March 15 2006 and have down all of my phases through the Atlanta field office. Is there anyone else that is through the Atlanta field office?

HDbluelite.... I just got a call from the Atlanta field office.Howhas the process been for you? any pointers on the panel review?

[dnehack]

Jamaican, what did they tell you or were they setting you up for a interview???

[ackch46]

Hey guys, let me introduce myself as I am a relatively new member. i am 24, I have 2 years of college and just got out of the USMC after 5 years of honorable service. I am looking into different LE jobs and I applied to be an Air Marshall, I was notified that I would be getting a background packet in the mail. What are the steps after that?

[JamaicanLP]

dnehack....it was just to set up an interview. After reading the posts i wasn't expecting to get a call for anything for a long while.

[HDbluelite]

My experience with the Atl field office was great. They were very helpful, informative, and talked me through every step. They were also down to earth and gave me real insight of how the job actually is in real life.

[JamaicanLP]

My experience with the Atl field office was great. They were very helpful, informative, and talked me through every step. They were also down to earth and gave me real insight of how the job actually is in real life.


That's good to hear .....i can't wait to get this process started.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

I asked a HR person in my office today what was going on. She said that if any of you guys did not put down NY or DC that you would never be called back or even sent a packet for the job.

[manstown]

I asked a HR person in my office today what was going on. She said that if any of you guys did not put down NY or DC that you would never be called back or even sent a packet for the job.

That pretty much goes hand in hand to what we were told. Make sure on the AVUE site you guys mark that down. When I applied I didn't, not thinking, and it wasn't until I talked to them and updated my App. that I finally saw some movement.

[horse]

hey , im new to posting here.but not really new to the board.i want to say this. i interviewed two weeks ago in boston for the fams position..none the less, great people there, seemed like all went great in the interview,also they seem like real stand up guys.got a tour of the facility,gym/training area.WOW really impressed.wether i get this job or not,ill still be in aw.

[litreofcola]

hey Jamacian, just to let u know my process went extremely fast to the interview as well. Took about a month to get from beginning to done with interview. Then, it got slooooooow. I was given the urinalysis, and was told how much they loved me. Got the stay in shape and do gott on the p.t. and your gold speech. Since then (end of Novemember) it has been nothing.

I spoke with my recruiter, cause I thought I was screwed and he told me not to worry about it. He said budgeting and scheduling are what is slowing the process down and when ever it gets cleared up I will be getting the call for my medical. The point to the long post is don't get too excited because it is moving quick, cause it might start moving slow again.

[STL]

Hey Guys, I found this forum a couple of weeks ago. Sad to say I'm one of those guys that's been waiting a while for this job. I applied when it came open in Aug.2005 and was rolling fairly smooth through the process: fingerprints, medical, etc, etc, except I never got to the panel interview and B.I. Then nothing, a few months later ( Jan 2006) that email you know the BQA email. I was like Damn!!!!!:mad: But like they say "if first you don't suceed try, try, try again". So I reapplied 04Jan07 and got the same conditional offer email and since then nothing. I have some real close buddies that are FAMS but they really can't tell me much because they all got hired right after 9-11. So they really don't know what we are going through. Trust me I feel you guy's pain; good luck to all of you guys!!!!! I have a question for you guys, is anyone on here in the St.Louis area? And has anyone been in contact with the Chicago Field office? Thanks.

[tdparmel]

I sent the fingerprint cards in about in at the end of december/beginning of january. Since then I havent heard anything. From what I hear, I should be expecting a phone call soon for an interview. Anyways. it seems like it will be a long process.

[HDbluelite]

I asked a HR person in my office today what was going on. She said that if any of you guys did not put down NY or DC that you would never be called back or even sent a packet for the job.

I was wondering how HR contacts people. Do they contact you by phone, e-mail, or by regular mail?

[STL]

Hey Guys,


I'm not sure if this helps, but I just got off the phone with Avue and the person I was speaking with told me that they have over 15,000-18,000 apps. and as you all know the top cities are NY and D.C. she said that in the near future they're planning to open up some more cities but she wasn't sure of which ones. She believes that they want to hire anywhere between 200-400 FAMS, but there again she couldn't be sure because of budget concearns and actual need. Anyway there are no dates set as of yet. I don't want to sound like a broken record but I thought I would share that bit info with you guys. Good Luck

[Lazer]

hey , im new to posting here.but not really new to the board.i want to say this. i interviewed two weeks ago in boston for the fams position..none the less, great people there, seemed like all went great in the interview,also they seem like real stand up guys.got a tour of the facility,gym/training area.WOW really impressed.wether i get this job or not,ill still be in aw.




Yeah, The Boston Office is pretty cool. I applied in August of 2005. I had my Interview and drug test back in July 2006, had the medical in August 2006(Concentra Medical Services messed up my blood, I was notified a month after I took the medical to go back for another blood draw, what a waist of time for the medical to be processed, almost 3 months) had the PT end of October 2006. Have not heard anything since end of October 2006. What is the deal with the Psych anyway? Some say it is not given anymore, some say there is just a mental Health Certificate to fill out and fax in, others say the Psych test is being revaluated or changed in some way. I am just waiting for further information on what is to be done with this last part.

No worries guys, I am pretty sure things will move shortly with this whole process. Looks like lots of changes are going on now in the Offfices with tranfers, guys leaving/quitting and promotions to Headquarters. When that clears they will hire more groups in a few months.

[dnehack]

From what I understand Lazer is if you had your interview before July 06 then you have to do the 500-600 questions. If you had the interview after July 06 then you just have to do the questionair unless something sparks in your background.

[JamaicanLP]

hey Jamacian, just to let u know my process went extremely fast to the interview as well. Took about a month to get from beginning to done with interview. Then, it got slooooooow. I was given the urinalysis, and was told how much they loved me. Got the stay in shape and do gott on the p.t. and your gold speech. Since then (end of Novemember) it has been nothing.

I spoke with my recruiter, cause I thought I was screwed and he told me not to worry about it. He said budgeting and scheduling are what is slowing the process down and when ever it gets cleared up I will be getting the call for my medical. The point to the long post is don't get too excited because it is moving quick, cause it might start moving slow again.

Oh definitely know its a pretty long process, i just take it for what it is and perform well on anything they put in front of me..especially since this is the first agency to respond back to me.
But thanks for the heads up though....

[Ammo22]

Yeah, The Boston Office is pretty cool. I applied in August of 2005. I had my Interview and drug test back in July 2006, had the medical in August 2006(Concentra Medical Services messed up my blood, I was notified a month after I took the medical to go back for another blood draw, what a waist of time for the medical to be processed, almost 3 months) had the PT end of October 2006. Have not heard anything since end of October 2006. What is the deal with the Psych anyway? Some say it is not given anymore, some say there is just a mental Health Certificate to fill out and fax in, others say the Psych test is being revaluated or changed in some way. I am just waiting for further information on what is to be done with this last part.

No worries guys, I am pretty sure things will move shortly with this whole process. Looks like lots of changes are going on now in the Offfices with tranfers, guys leaving/quitting and promotions to Headquarters. When that clears they will hire more groups in a few months.

Almost all law enforcement agencies have you meet with a psychologist for an evaluation. Also according to the AVUE website and the FAMS process the PTA is only good for 90 days then you are supposed to take it over if you do not hear anything before then. I know someone posted early on in the threads that they were told not to worry about taking the PTA over. My 90 days is up in February so who knows. I finished the process in November still have not heard anything. You also have to figure that if there are as many as 15,000 applicants. Obviously they are not all part of this thread so there may be things going on that those of use that are part of this thread dont know about.

[Lazer]

I had the interview July 25. Now that I think about it, I remember after the interview the recruiter said something that the psych test used to be given after the interview but not anymore.

[kw111]

From what I understand Lazer is if you had your interview before July 06 then you have to do the 500-600 questions. If you had the interview after July 06 then you just have to do the questionair unless something sparks in your background.

Yeah, thats correct. I barely missed the cutoff and did have to take the survey test... and it was more like 800 questions :) But they're not using the long written one anymore...

[INTHEAIRCOP]

http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=226&sid=1041219

[Lazer]

Yeah, thats correct. I barely missed the cutoff and did have to take the survey test... and it was more like 800 questions :) But they're not using the long written one anymore...



Looks like I got lucky and will only have to do the questionaire, whenever they get around to it, hopefully soon. March will mark the 6 month mark for this fiscal year, something has to happen here quite soon.

[kr1s]

Got the call today! Going for my panel next month. I am quiet in this thread lately...Mainly because I forget I am in the process...But oh well.

My timeline so far:

July--Applied
August--Faxed 28 pages of EVERYTHING to them (SF-86, transcripts, DD-214, etc)
December--Fingerprint cards...Slacked on sending them out until 3 weeks ago (Was deployed..so not really slacking)
January--Call for panel interview

I originally put my location to go in as "Miami"...unfortunately, I guess that didn't spark interest, so I figured I could move to DC...and within a couple of weeks I got the fingerprint cards.

Good luck to everyone.

[dtown101]

ive been done since aug 4 for everything and still waiting>>>>good luck with ur panel interview!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

[jrnwaarmy]

:cool: same boat here!been done since aug of last year. i did the blitz in D.C. got a call from D.C. to fax additional papers, after that no news what so ever. good luck!! :D

[Lazer]

Got the call today! Going for my panel next month. I am quiet in this thread lately...Mainly because I forget I am in the process...But oh well.

My timeline so far:

July--Applied
August--Faxed 28 pages of EVERYTHING to them (SF-86, transcripts, DD-214, etc)
December--Fingerprint cards...Slacked on sending them out until 3 weeks ago (Was deployed..so not really slacking)
January--Call for panel interview

I originally put my location to go in as "Miami"...unfortunately, I guess that didn't spark interest, so I figured I could move to DC...and within a couple of weeks I got the fingerprint cards.

Good luck to everyone.







Good luck bro, at least you are moving forward. It appears they are still processing through the stages (doesn't cost them any $$ to do the interview, PAT) you may not wait as long as us, something has to pop here in the next month or two for hiring. Good luck to all.

[floridaboy954]

Good Luck to all who are applying. I have been in the process since 09/05. I am still waiting to do my PAT. I got a letter the other day and it said I have to redo my vision test. But this time I get to use my own doctor. This process is a pain in the butt and I am getting fed up with it at this time. I hope they revamp it and make a lot of changes to it. But like we have been saying for the past few months now, its the federal government and they can do what they want.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

Good luck to all!

[MassVet]

Im done with the process, have been since september when i did the pat. I just got the Psych recert email, in my reading this forum i think this is a good step forward. Just keeping you all updated.

[Tower]

MassVet- Were you able to get the fax into them...there fax machine is down...should be up on Monday according to the last email I received.

[Lazer]

Im done with the process, have been since september when i did the pat. I just got the Psych recert email, in my reading this forum i think this is a good step forward. Just keeping you all updated.



MASSVET, you got the Psych recert e-mail? The last I knew (couple of days ago) they took the Psych form off AVUE because it is being re-evaluated/revised and will be posted when it is finished. Do you have a link to get to the form?

[Tower]

Lazer- you should be getting yours soon I believe. My interview was July 26th and I got the Psych recert today as well. What, if anything, do you have left to complete?

[INTHEAIRCOP]

Homeland Security Moves to Increase Armed Pilots

The Washington Times



Homeland Security officials are making changes to the armed-pilot program to encourage more of the nation's 90,000 captains and co-captains to participate.



Armed pilots will be issued badges to identify themselves, they will be allowed to carry their weapons on flights they are not piloting, and U.S. officials will seek to expand the program for overseas flights.



Conan Bruce, spokesman for the Federal Air Marshal Service, which now operates the armed-pilot program, said the changes are in response to a working group that has been meeting for months to address pilots' concerns.



"We recognize there is a need to carry a weapon on international flights, but we have to work it out with host countries; it's not up to us," Mr. Bruce said.



But David Mackett, director of the Airline Pilots Security Alliance, doesn't expect a quick fix for a program that has attracted less than 10 percent of pilots.



"Maybe at some point, we will protect a handful of international flights, but the public should not feel secure that it will happen any time soon," Mr. Mackett said.



"Changes are coming at a glacial pace, and there seems to be no sense of urgency. The terrorist clock is ticking, and we need to be doing this now, not a year from now."



Federal air marshals, who number about 2,000, say they are concerned the agency will cut back their numbers as a cost-saving measure and instead turn to pilots to protect the aircraft. Mr. Bruce said such a proposal is "absolutely not" under consideration.



Pilots are "an enhancement, not a replacement, they have totally separately and unique jobs," he said.



However, such a suggestion is coming from Capitol Hill, said one source familiar with the proposal.


"It is being advocated they use resources that are already in place, and that's the pilots, and use air marshals on targeted, high-risk and threat flights rather than scattered throughout the system like they are now," the source said.



"The air marshals are too elite of a group to be used like security guards," the source said.



One burden lifted is the rule that pilots commuting or "deadheading" on a flight no longer must pack their weapon separately in a lock box in the cargo hold.



Mr. Bruce declined to specify the rule, citing security reasons.

[MassVet]

I got both emails, one to send it in and one to tell me the fax machines were down. Ill send it on monday probably twice. who knows what happens next, i just know this could be a good thing.

[Lazer]

Lazer- you should be getting yours soon I believe. My interview was July 26th and I got the Psych recert today as well. What, if anything, do you have left to complete?

Yup, my interview was July 25. Just have the Psych left to complete.

[Lazer]

I got both emails, one to send it in and one to tell me the fax machines were down. Ill send it on monday probably twice. who knows what happens next, i just know this could be a good thing.

Hey man that is awesome, looks like it is moving forward and is def. a good thing.

[MassVet]

thanks lazer, yeah i hope things move forward from here. Funny thing on the email ....the person who sent it out didnt bcc the people that it went to. From what i can see there is a good number of people that got the recert email thats why i figured id post it up. Are you around Boston, if so your Psych should go smoothly the guy I met was in Natick i think. Pretty comfortable atmosphere.


Again, Good Luck to all

[dtown101]

i was told by the recruiter that it was good for 1 yr ....i took a questionaire of about 20? i give up on this crap.....

[dnehack]

dtown, I think its good for 6 months and I am not forsure about the second question.

[Tower]

The Psych recert forms came from FAMS Medical. I never took the questionnaire just certified a few statements back in sep 06.

[dtown101]

[QUOTE=dtown101]i was told by the recruiter that it was good for 1 yr ....i took a questionaire of about 20? i give up on this crap

[dnehack]

to close to the end to give up. I have to give up one way or another in a month and a half. So my days are numbered.

[Penumbra]

dnehack,

The magic 37 is indeed near. Perhaps an insider knows your sit and things will be done 2 put u through. Best of luck bro...u certaintly rate the expediant hire if that's what it takes.

[MassVet]

I have the Psych recert ready to be faxed out, they are still down over there at FAMS Medical. Just a heads up, ill try later and later and later.

[Patrio72]

I have been reading up on this topic on this and other forums. Here is what I have discovered just in this thread:

Some of the applicants that received the Pysch recert email were soon offered a position. (Ex. filldj, sd5326, lilbit) There are a few who were were hired who never receive the Psych recert email. Finally, there are applicants who received the Psych recert email, who as of yet, have not been offered a job.

1) I can't help but wonder if the timing of your Psych test and Psych interview help detrmine whether or not you get the infamous Psych recert email?

2) Does the Psych recert form appear in your Avue profile and if so , where does it show up?

Patriot72

[Tower]

Patriot you must be as bored as I am keeping track of all that....The psych recert does not show up in my avue profile. It was sent in an email as an attachment from medical.

MassVet- The Fax is still down. Lindsay said perhaps tomorrow...

[dtown101]

for the people who got the recert for psyche......has it been over a yr and did you take the 500 questionaire....because i was told once by the recruiter that it was good for a whole yr from when you started ur process>>>

[MassVet]

for the people who got the recert for psyche......has it been over a yr and did you take the 500 questionaire....because i was told once by the recruiter that it was good for a whole yr from when you started ur process>>>


I cant remember exactly how long it was since my oral board I think June. That is when I took the Psych test. The test was the exhausting MMPI and other questions I think 800 in total. Then I had the psych interview I think in September.



Lazer.....still down, she says tomorrow afternoon maybe. They are having repair look at it.

[Tower]

for the people who got the recert for psyche......has it been over a yr and did you take the 500 questionaire....because i was told once by the recruiter that it was good for a whole yr from when you started ur process>>>

I never had the questionnaire or a psych interview. The only psych related thing I had to do was certify about 20 statements back in Sep 06. So now that puts me at almost 6 months from when I submitted the certified statements.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

I had to kick an old lady out fo my seat today. She put up a huge fight and I almost had to use my asp on her. All fun aside but I had to actualy talk to the old hag because she refused to get out of my seat. I waited untill the airlines pulled her off the flight before I decided to put a stop to it. Now keep in my mind I did not have to badge her but she was realy ****ing me off. The entire time this was going on, I look over at my team and they were all laughing at me. Normaly I would move to help her out but she was a big A hole and I used my HUGE BADGE and moved her. See what you guys will have to look forward too. It was no big deal but you can bet that the entire flight knew who I was on that flight but I refuse to sit in a window seat in coach after I just drank 4 cups of coffee.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

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http://www.federalnewsradio.com/emedia/62635.mp3

There is a good part of it that you guys should listen to. It is in the middle about 29 minutes into the show. It is about the double dippers in the FAM service and TSA. And also the 1811 talk if the FAMs will get 1811 series. The two guys talking are FLEO presidents and are selling all of us out. How in the hell can they say that no one in the FAM service or TSA can be managers or 1811s? If someone goes to the basic 1811 school in Glynco then I guess they are 1811s. So why keep these double dippers on by extending the 5 year contracts. Get rid of all of the SS double dippers and let us run our own agency. I am a FLEO member and will not renew my membership. They basicaly said that FAMs will and can not ever be 1811s. I am not saying that the entire FAM service be 1811s but if we are to have the need for criminal investigators within TSA then why not hire from within the TSA? Most of the FAMs that came on back on in 2001 are all ex law enforcement. I can not believe that those FLEO presidents would sit there and say that there is noone within the TSA or FAMs that can be managers or criminal investigators and that they need to hire ex secret service / double dippers to manage. Oh if you did not know, double dippers are retired secret service agents who collect full pension and then get rehired, under contract, and get paid big money. My SAIC is a double dipper and is getting paid close to $150,000.

[horse]

wow, how true.alot of SAIC are ex 1811, secret service or whatever.i got that from the horses mouth.crazy

[tdparmel]

I contacted avue digital services using the following phone number today 360-412-5083. I was specifically wondering about the status of the application process. For instance, I sent in my finger print cards over a month ago and I have not heard anything since. The woman I talked to said to keep checking my email because eithier avue or the fams will email me about the next step in the process. She stated that some people wait months to be contacted after they send their fingerprint cards while others do not wait so long. It just depends on their need. She also said that sometimes people are interviewed before they are sent their fingerprint cards. She stated that the fams could be conducting my background right now. Does this information sound legit?????

[tua]

I mailed my fingerprint cards and got a call for an interview two months later. I passed my interview back in December but am waiting for the next step. Anyone in the same boat???

[Lazer]

I mailed my fingerprint cards and got a call for an interview two months later. I passed my interview back in December but am waiting for the next step. Anyone in the same boat???


Hey guys, yup in a similar boat as you. I finished everything except the Psych. I had submittewd fingerprints in June, panel interview in July, Medical in August, PAT October. Been waiting since October for next step or further information. It is hard to tell in all what is going on, everything is on hold for the time being. Common sense would say though that very soon things have to move forward, they are half way through their fiscal year already and have not hired anyone for 2007 yet. Full steam ahead guys!

[MassVet]

Lazer, did you take your PAT with anybody?

[Lazer]

Lazer, did you take your PAT with anybody?



Yeah I took it with one other guy the day I went at the Boston FO in Chelsea. It was October 30th, a Monday I beleive during that crazy windstorm and cold.

[TheXandyman]

I still can't even get the recruiter to answer my phone calls. How professional are these people? They don't even take calls from applicants who were told LAST JULY that they'd be starting in January 07?

Is this organization FUBAR or what? It's funny, because I see nothing bad ever coming out of the people on here who say they're AMs, but those of us trying can't even get one thing done.

I can't understand this, try as I might. Avue keeps telling me they have no information but "it appears I'm still being considered."

Patience can only run so far before a process like this starts to get maddening. If this Caruso would just answer the phone ONE TIME and say "Hey man, hang in there" I would smile and never bother anyone again.

But what kind of gov agency screens calls and ignores its applicants?????? I'm on my knees begging someone in the know to help me find an answer that makes any sense. I'm now a struggling, unemployed veteran because I planned my resignation around the FAMS' promises.

[Lazer]

I still can't even get the recruiter to answer my phone calls. How professional are these people? They don't even take calls from applicants who were told LAST JULY that they'd be starting in January 07?

Is this organization FUBAR or what? It's funny, because I see nothing bad ever coming out of the people on here who say they're AMs, but those of us trying can't even get one thing done.

I can't understand this, try as I might. Avue keeps telling me they have no information but "it appears I'm still being considered."

Patience can only run so far before a process like this starts to get maddening. If this Caruso would just answer the phone ONE TIME and say "Hey man, hang in there" I would smile and never bother anyone again.

But what kind of gov agency screens calls and ignores its applicants?????? I'm on my knees begging someone in the know to help me find an answer that makes any sense. I'm now a struggling, unemployed veteran because I planned my resignation around the FAMS' promises.




Hey man, I know how you feel and I understand. At times I become quite frustrated with this process. How would you feel if in Aug of 2005 you applied to this job and told one of your good friends also about the job. Your friend does not have the credentials you have (4 year degree, plenty of work experience, etc...) then applies and warps through the entire process in 1 month and gets the job on Oct 2 of 2005....while you are still waiting over 1 and a half years later, stuck in this slow motion crap? Tell me about it, I do feel ya man, it is frustrating. What will be will be, we have no control over this and I keep saying that things just have to start up again as the 2007 fiscal year is coming to a half way point without any hires.

[Lazer]

I contacted avue digital services using the following phone number today 360-412-5083. I was specifically wondering about the status of the application process. For instance, I sent in my finger print cards over a month ago and I have not heard anything since. The woman I talked to said to keep checking my email because eithier avue or the fams will email me about the next step in the process. She stated that some people wait months to be contacted after they send their fingerprint cards while others do not wait so long. It just depends on their need. She also said that sometimes people are interviewed before they are sent their fingerprint cards. She stated that the fams could be conducting my background right now. Does this information sound legit?????



How did you get this number, 360-412-5083 for Avue? This number is Avue also, I called. Weird how they gave you this number. The number posted on the site with the job posting is a 253 number.

[Hitz]

What office in Florida are you processing through?

[INTHEAIRCOP]

Some guy on the **********.com is saying that AVUE is stating that the rest of the field offices are now open to new hires. I could not find it but see if you guys can and post it here if it is true.