Air Marshal Job Open !

[INTHEAIRCOP]

If I was you I would try and max out on every thing.

[manstown]

They will send you the limitations for all the ratings. My advice is to do just like intheair said, do as much as possible. Find out the limitations and try to do the max amount to get excellent.

[Hitz]

My medical packet was forwarded to FAM HQ today. I'll be departing for Kuwait in a couple of days and wanted to wish everyone luck!! I have yet to do the PT test but was told by the FO that the medical had to clear first. I was also advised that there was a possibility to have my packet sent to hiring panel without the PT test. I would need to take it if/when hired, I will fly back from Kuwait if/when I'm called. I'll let all you guys know how this plays out. Good Luck All!!!

[MarcDominic]

Does anyony know how well you have to do to pass the pt test? do you have to do "excellent" in all the catagories? What does the test all contain? how long does it take?

Your profile says you were born in 82, so...EXCELLENT for pullups is 11, situps is 47 in a minute, pushups is 55 in a minute, 10:16 for the 1.5 mile run. That's what I gotta do too. I've been doing mock tests. Right now I can get all EXCELLENTs, but barely.

Test is given in that order, and you have 5 minutes between each part. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

[MassVet]

keep working, those arent too strict pt requisites.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

I just took my PT test last week. As you all know I am a FAM and have been since 2002. The PT test is not pass or fail once you get on as a FAM, you just have to take it once you get on. I got a excellent on the pull ups, push ups, and situps. But I got a poor on the run. My overall score was a 3 and that is still good. (4 excellent, 3 above average, 2 below average, 1 poor). The test is no big deal but the run sucks for me.

[MassVet]

just got bored so i read through this whole forum again, havent heard from Igneous or Love Ulcer lately??? You guys get the call or what?



:confused:

[igneous]

just got bored so i read through this whole forum again, havent heard from Igneous or Love Ulcer lately??? You guys get the call or what?



:confused:
nope, we've both pretty much just given up.

[Hitz]

Since I begun posting on here, so much has gone on with the airlines and planes. I awoke and found yet another tragedy had occured.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

Looks like the palne was new. It was a 2001 with about 14,000 hours and that is little time on a jet like that. Thenews is saying that the plane was getting fixed the day earlyer. Since I am a very new pilot my self and am going to guess it was either pilot error, BUT THIS IS JUST A GUESS.


My prayers go out to the familes who lost a love one on the plane.

[psycho1000r]

Looks like the palne was new. It was a 2001 with about 14,000 hours and that is little time on a jet like that. Thenews is saying that the plane was getting fixed the day earlyer. Since I am a very new pilot my self and am going to guess it was either pilot error, BUT THIS IS JUST A GUESS.


My prayers go out to the familes who lost a love one on the plane.

supposedly they took off from the wrong runway, a much shorter one than needed for that size aircraft.

[SD5326]

nope, we've both pretty much just given up.


Igs,

Don't give up! It ain't over till it's over!

[INTHEAIRCOP]

I have been in flight training for only a few months and only have 30 hours. I find it hard to beieve that the pilot of that plane would take off on a GA runway. The runway at that airport was a bit over 3,000 ft and that is not long enough for that type of aircraft. GA planes are to use that runway and the big runway was 7,000 feet and I still can't beielve they used the shorter runway. I am sure that once they commited into the takeoff and noticed the end of the runway, they had no choice but to try and rotate and then the wings stalled and then it was to late. No stall recovery at that low alltitude.

[Patrio72]

is approaching and I was wondering if FAMs will be expediting the hiring process for candidiates who are close to completing (or have already completed) the hiring process?

Patriot72

[INTHEAIRCOP]

I would think that is why they are pushing to hire so many that fast.

[DOAcop38]

Ahhh geez, AVUE called me back and said that the rejection email was correct. I've been deemed not a qualified candidate anymore and that they're looking for "better" candidates....OUCH!!!!


Have you ever thought that there are alot of other Depts that might be "your ticket"?why did you want the FAMS and what do you truly know about them???-if you are looking for an "easy" fed cop job- thats not it.IF you think they are the "cool super hotshot squad",remember this- FAMs pull long hours also,and if/when they have to take action, its probably going to be VERY BAD, and many times a FAM may be ALL ALONE,possibly outnumbered and most likely with NO help at all ! suck it up and apply elsewhere- the U.S. Capitol Police, the U.S. Park police, the U.S. mint Police,Secret Service, U.S. State Dept, US marshals Service,DC Metro, The DC Transit,Va agencies-you got a whole buffet table of fed and local depts to apply for in your area-just cause one opportunity doesn't pan out ,it might mean its NOT for you, and that FAMS are getting the people they need to do a job that you might not be able to do well,or be happy at down the road-now go dust yourself off ,and get back out on the road-applications are waiting for you to fill out!

[datfas]

Just got off the phone with QTC, I took the medical on August 1 and have been waiting for some type of response. The local contractor seemed like it was going to be a problem from the beginning, they didn't even know what paperwork to fill out. After walking them through the process it seemed like it might be alright. Well after today's phone call I am worried, seems the contractor sent QTC copies of all the medical papers and not originals. We are now waiting on the originals. If they can not provide them by Friday, then I will have to go take the medical at another provider. Saga continues, my suggestion is if you had a medical back when I did, call QTC to find out what is going on with your status. Good luck to anyone else waiting. Time to go to the gym to work on the PAT times.

[Bollix]

The HR person I spoke with gave me a choice of 2 dates to report both of which were before the end of the fiscal year. I asked if I could defer to Oct. and she said take it or leave it basically.

Hope this helps.

[jrnwaarmy]

The HR person I spoke with gave me a choice of 2 dates to report both of which were before the end of the fiscal year. I asked if I could defer to Oct. and she said take it or leave it basically.

Hope this helps.

is that your fo in dc or nyc? basically i was dealing w/ fo in dc. thanks

[Bollix]

That was for NY.

[MarcDominic]

I just got a call saying my medical exam was processed (even after I had to explain my admitted drug use to the medical board). And they gave me the name and number for the psychologist I have to call to set up my psych interview. I know it's almost impossible, but hopefully I can pass my psych and pft before the next class starts.

[manstown]

Just to let you know, I start on the 18th and they have classes running into Oct, none of which I will be going to. You may be looking at Nov. maybe later.

[MassVet]

mans, have you started though you arent attending a class, have you got a report date for before your class starts

[manstown]

Start at the FO on the 18th.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

Good luck and wear jeans on your 1st day.





'Just kidding' I would wear pants with a collared shirt but not a suit, just me.

[jrnwaarmy]

I talked to HR in D.C. today and asked the status of my APP. they told me that it's already with the panel.Do you have any input before we hear from the Panel? thanks

[0351]

Have you ever thought that there are alot of other Depts that might be "your ticket"?why did you want the FAMS and what do you truly know about them???-if you are looking for an "easy" fed cop job- thats not it.IF you think they are the "cool super hotshot squad",remember this- FAMs pull long hours also,and if/when they have to take action, its probably going to be VERY BAD, and many times a FAM may be ALL ALONE,possibly outnumbered and most likely with NO help at all ! suck it up and apply elsewhere- the U.S. Capitol Police, the U.S. Park police, the U.S. mint Police,Secret Service, U.S. State Dept, US marshals Service,DC Metro, The DC Transit,Va agencies-you got a whole buffet table of fed and local depts to apply for in your area-just cause one opportunity doesn't pan out ,it might mean its NOT for you, and that FAMS are getting the people they need to do a job that you might not be able to do well,or be happy at down the road-now go dust yourself off ,and get back out on the road-applications are waiting for you to fill out!

Amen. Lots of people apply to multiple agencies and get multiple rejections before getting a job in the federal system or law enforcement/security ;)

Lots of people get a job they really wanted only to have it turn out to not be for them too.

[0351]

Good luck and wear jeans on your 1st day.





'Just kidding' I would wear pants with a collared shirt but not a suit, just me.
Wear a suit, and a white shirt. You'll probably be taking pictures.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

Thats right, you will probably be taking photos for your IDs and Cred, so wear a suit, Dark suit with a white shirt

[drepol]

You should wear a suit until told otherwise (probably a couple of days)

[jrnwaarmy]

ok guys FAMs are calling this week for 18sept starts(NY) just found out from 911 forum, lets keep our hopes up!! good luck to all!!!

[INTHEAIRCOP]

Why you are at it, you should probably bring donuts and coffe for the SAIC

[LDIMATTI]

anyone have a telephone # and fax # to the FAMS HR Deptment in VA? Send my a PM... Thanks! Need to get some stuff to the hiring board..

[vegas041st]

do you have to be an expert with fire arms to become a FAM? Was that question even on the application?

[manstown]

It has been said that they are the highest as far as firearms standards goes in FLE. Once in the academy I have heard that you shoot quite a bit. The scores for the course of fire to qualify is higher then I have heard.

[drepol]

while we (FAMS) have the highest qual standard, there is no need to be an expert shot beforehand. While some firearms experience won't hurt you, you would be trained to the appropriate level in the academy.

[gonefishin]

do you have to be an expert with fire arms to become a FAM? Was that question even on the application?


Most firearms instructors will tell you that they would rather teach someone who has never fired a handgun before because they tend to have not developed any "bad habits". FAMS have some great instructors and can teach just about anyone to shoot very well.

[kr1s]

Hey all, been reading the posts off and on and finally got my aproval to be on here.

Anyway, I received my conditional offer letter for FAMS the day after I submitted. I had to turn in my background paperwork, so I did, as well as attached my SF-86 and my TS/SCI clearance letter which shows I am good for another 2 years before my 5 year. I was just curious HOW long after I receive the conditional offer letter it takes before I get my next e-mail from Avue. I am sure it has been posted a ZILLION times as what peoples individual experiences are, but I was just wanting a ballpark as to what to expect.

Thanks in advance and it is great to be here.

Kris

[manstown]

A month to a year. Some have heard back the month after and some are still waiting. It really is up in the air. Good Luck!

[kr1s]

A month to a year. Some have heard back the month after and some are still waiting. It really is up in the air. Good Luck!


Cool, thanks! Sweet Lord I hope it won't be a year. I know in my old office building, ICE had a computer forensics presence there and I applied with them and on USAJobs, it still shows as "open" but that was in March.

My buddy in the US Marshal's said he got a call a year later offering him a job...

But on topic, is it ODD that I would get a conditional offer letter 10 hours after submitting my app online? I mean, I filled it out and finished a week or so ago around 11pm EST. I looked in my e-mail around 9am the next day and BOOM! The conditional offer letter was there. I thought it was nuts...But that was a week and a half ago. Nothing since...But not worried about it yet as the fiscal year isn't finished YET...So I still have employment!

Kris

[igneous]

Cool, thanks! Sweet Lord I hope it won't be a year. I know in my old office building, ICE had a computer forensics presence there and I applied with them and on USAJobs, it still shows as "open" but that was in March.

My buddy in the US Marshal's said he got a call a year later offering him a job...

But on topic, is it ODD that I would get a conditional offer letter 10 hours after submitting my app online? I mean, I filled it out and finished a week or so ago around 11pm EST. I looked in my e-mail around 9am the next day and BOOM! The conditional offer letter was there. I thought it was nuts...But that was a week and a half ago. Nothing since...But not worried about it yet as the fiscal year isn't finished YET...So I still have employment!

Kris
Everyone gets the COE. Its just an automated email that avue sends you after you fill ou the application. You may hear something in a few days about the next step, or you may have to wait weeks.

[Legend1bt]

Hello everyone, I have been on this website for the past couple of weeks viewing post and researching the air marshals. I finally got my clearance to post yesterday. Anyway I had a couple of questions that I was wondering if someone could clear up for me. I have read that air marshals have had problems with TSA screeners and airport personel. I was wondering if there was any validity to this and if so why? Arent the Air Marshals the top law enforcement officals at airports? I am currently a Federal Police Officer for DOD and we work closey with similar agencies that conduct security for us and there is always that level of professional couretsy. My second question is do Air Marshals get to travel for free or do you have to pay for flights back home when your not on duty? Also once on with FAMS do you continue to receive training other than your annual qualifications. And finally my last question is once you get offered the job can you choose between DC and New York or does the HR Dept pretty much tell you where you are going? Im not sure if these questions have already been answered but any help would be greatly appriecated. Also the only part I have left is the Physical Fitness Test , and when I spoke with one of FAMS Investigators he told me I would probably get a start date within the next 3-4 weeks. Again thanks for any help and it's good to finally be here.

[kw111]

Hey guys,
I just was approved to begin posting here as well but I've been reading this thread since I applied in February. All I have left is the PTA. Is this scheduled through the local FO or is it going to take its sweet time going through Avue? :)
Drepol and Intheaircop, its good to have some firsthand reliable sources of info on here- Thanks!

[Bollix]

Can anyone shed any light on which retirement package FAMS belongs to (FERS or CSRS). Spent some time on the OPM website and seem to get conflicting answers on who covers LEO's. If someone does 20 years with FAMS and out what is the % and how is it calculated.

Thanks all.........

[Patrio72]

I received a call about 20 minutes ago from FAMs. They want me to fax in my transcripts. What do you do if you attended more than 1 college/university? Should I fax in transcripts from any schools I attended or just fax in the transcript from the university that I graduated from?

Also, since FAMs has requested my transcripts, does this mean that my file went to the hiring panel?

Patriot72

[Legend1bt]

Hey patrio, I had the same thing happen about 3 weeks ago. When they called asking for my transcripts they also asked for my DD-214, and the guy I spoke to said it was for the hiring panel. They also called my supervisors and called our internal investigations division to inquire if I had any investigations pending against me. I assume that was a limited background check they do before you get hired. As far as your college transcripts I also went to more than one college, and when you transferred to the college you obtained your degree from, I assume you had to transfer your credits from your first college. I dont know about the college you went to but before I could start attending school at my second college I had to transfer all my credits to that school from the first college I attended. So everything was on one transcript that included all colleges I attended. Might want to get with your last college where you got your degree from and see if all colleges are listed on their transcripts. Hope this helps.

[Patrio72]

So did you just fax in the transcript from the place you graduated?

Also, have you heard anything since they called you?

Thanks for your input.

Patriot72

[Legend1bt]

Yes I just faxed in my transcripts from my last college. Also I have not heard anything back yet. I had to tell the FAMS Investigator that I was still waiting on my medical to clear, so I dont know if this postponed things or not. He did tell me however that I should expect to be hired within 1-2 months.

[AV8TOR]

Legend1bt, Did the Fams Investigator call about your transcripts or about your Background investigation? Just wanted to know if I should expect a call.

Let us know when you get a PTA email.

AV

[Legend1bt]

He called me for transcripts and DD-214, but he called my supervisors and Internal Investigation Division for a preliminary background check. If Im not mistaken you get whats called an Interium clearance, while they process your Top Secret Clearance. This allows you to work while they complete your TS, b/c as we all know background checks take forever. And yes I would assume you would be getting a call soon. I was told by one of the FAMS who did my interview that a determing factor on how quick the process goes depends on the rating you got from the panel interview. The rating system goes qualified, very qualified, and highly qualified. Ofcourse some go faster than others for no specific reason, it's sometimes just a luck of the draw. This is what I have been told and I dont want to misled anyone, so if any FAMS can shed some light into the validity of this information it would be appreciated.
Hope this helps and goodluck

[kr1s]

Sounds like the process is going well.

I do have a question though...What does the general concensus say? How long did it take from the time you got the COE until you actually made contact with a live person? I received the COE 2 weeks ago this Thursday and I am just curious....Being a govt contractor and now we are having an agency do some "remodelling", I don't know how secure I am in my current job.

Also, would a current TS/SCI speed things up? I am not due for my PR until 2008 I think. Thanks in advance.

kris

[MassVet]

It took 2 years from my COE to my interview. that is just me. I faxed in transcripts and DD214 last tuesday Aug 22nd and am now just waiting for the call.....this is nerve racking....i stare at my phone alot. :(

[igneous]

It took 2 years from my COE to my interview. that is just me. I faxed in transcripts and DD214 last tuesday Aug 22nd and am now just waiting for the call.....this is nerve racking....i stare at my phone alot. :(
I think thats just one year :confused:

[thermop6]

I got my COE in March of this year and was contacted by a human being in July. Interim clearance BI is done. I faxed my psych re-cert today but haven't taken the PTA yet. I thought this was strange because I have heard that the psych re-cert was the last step before The Call.

Also, FYI - I talked to my recruiter and he told me that they are pushing HARD right now to get calls out by September 17. This is the magic cut off date for FY 2006. He said that if I didn't get an offer by then that I would probably have to wait until Dec or Jan for congress to fight over the budget, but that I would still be on the list when it is finally approved and signed by the President.

[Patrio72]

They called again this morning twice to see where my transcripts are. I explained that I had ordered them and as soon as they arrived, I would fax them over. I inquired if my file was being presented to the review board and he stated that they were just putting my file together.

I need to make a couple of address changes to my SF 86. Should I hold off or go ahead and make the changes now?

Patriot72


P.s. - Even if you haven't completed all of the steps, they will still call you and make a final offer?

[kw111]

For me, I received a COE in March and was contacted by a live person in July for the interview. Then no in-person contact until today to clarify a couple items for the background investigation.

[tavman]

Patriot, update you SF-86. I have been told to think of it as a living document; meaning if anything changes update it immediately. You never know when someone is going to check it, and if information is incorrect it slow's everything done.

[kr1s]

Yeah, your SF-86 should be updated. If you have a contact number for the investigator, let them know. I talked to Avue as some tems didn't take in my profile originally. They told me to update that when I NEED to but not too often.

I know the SF-86 will get the scrutiny as if something changes between my 5 year PR's, they ALWAYS ask me about it in the interview. So they know.

my office is at a Fed Reserve bldg and I talked to a guy (FRB Police) today who is actually waiting to class up. He told me his contact at the FO told him if "You don't hear anything, it is a good thing." So, I guess everything is hunky dorey...I sure would like to know if my app is in someones hands though. I can't see me doing everything by Sep 17; but that is just the pessimistic view on my part!

Good luck to all.

kris

[INTHEAIRCOP]

For the person who asked about our retirement, we are a covered postion and that means 20 year retirement. if you start early you can not collect unitll you are 50, so most work unitll they are 50-57. They make you retire at 57 and you can not work any longer than your 57th b-day. We only get 1.7% every year with a grand total of only 34% at 20 years and every year after that is only 1%, so do the math. If I am still a I band and making around $90,000 a year and work 20 years, well that will get me only $30,600 a year for a pension. Now most of the local police departments down here in my neck of the woods pay 3-3.5% every year. My cousin is a SGT. with a local dept. here and she will get, She said that she will be making close to $80,000 if she makes LT. and that she will get almost $60,000 a year as a pension. Now that got me thinking. yes we make the big money now but it does not pay at the end, the local cops do not get the big money but they do at the end. I would rather have it at the end.

You new guys should look into the fed pension before you leave a police department beacause what I say is true. I wish they would of explained the pension to us when we got hired because I probably would of stayed where I was, but I can not go back in time and I have to suck it up and drive on.

[thermop6]

Any new FAM hires - were you offered a choice between NY or DC or were you told to go to one or the other?

Thx in advance!

[thermop6]

For the person who asked about our retirement, we are a covered postion and that means 20 year retirement. if you start early you can not collect unitll you are 50, so most work unitll they are 50-57. They make you retire at 57 and you can not work any longer than your 57th b-day. We only get 1.7% every year with a grand total of only 34% at 20 years and every year after that is only 1%, so do the math. If I am still a I band and making around $90,000 a year and work 20 years, well that will get me only $30,600 a year for a pension. Now most of the local police departments down here in my neck of the woods pay 3-3.5% every year. My cousin is a SGT. with a local dept. here and she will get, She said that she will be making close to $80,000 if she makes LT. and that she will get almost $60,000 a year as a pension. Now that got me thinking. yes we make the big money now but it does not pay at the end, the local cops do not get the big money but they do at the end. I would rather have it at the end.

You new guys should look into the fed pension before you leave a police department beacause what I say is true. I wish they would of explained the pension to us when we got hired because I probably would of stayed where I was, but I can not go back in time and I have to suck it up and drive on.

This is why you should get a Roth IRA in addition to your pension. With the amount of cash you make now, you can probably afford to max it ($4k/yr). Invest it aggressively and if you are young enough you may have 7 figures - tax free.
Sorry if that sounded pretentious - my current job is a financial advisor, which will obviously change if The Call were to come.. Good Luck!

[gonefishin]

Can anyone shed any light on which retirement package FAMS belongs to (FERS or CSRS). Spent some time on the OPM website and seem to get conflicting answers on who covers LEO's. If someone does 20 years with FAMS and out what is the % and how is it calculated.

Thanks all.........

FAMS are covered under FERS plus they also have the opportunity to put money into a TSP (Thrift Savings Plan) and the G will match you up to (I believe) 5% on what you contribute. Not sue how the %'s are calculated as far as retirement.

[psycho1000r]

FAMS are covered under FERS plus they also have the opportunity to put money into a TSP (Thrift Savings Plan) and the G will match you up to (I believe) 5% on what you contribute. Not sue how the %'s are calculated as far as retirement.

im in the TSP now, and between the fund i picks, im averaging 18 % a year, so its working out well for me so far.

[jrnwaarmy]

can anybody :confused: tell me when is the next pay period for the feds?And to all the cali applicants that went to the blitz in DC,Any update?

[manstown]

can anybody :confused: tell me when is the next pay period for the feds?And to all the cali applicants that went to the blitz in DC,Any update?

The new pay period begins for the FAMS next Sunday.

[MassVet]

One guy over at 911 got the call, nothing for me lately. How is everybody else fairing?

[tavman]

Still waiting.............

[Patrio72]

A member of the reelpolicedotnet forum got the call. He starts on 9/25 in the NYFO.

I watch my phone like a chicken hawk....

Patriot72

[jrnwaarmy]

i guess the week is over and looking forward for the call next week or next pay period!!!!!good luck to all!!!

[Ammo22]

Hey new here. Finally got authorized to post. I've been reading since February 06 when I applied for the FAMS but didn't really have anything of use to anyone to post. Thanks to all that have been posting, it has been really helpful. I just got a call about an hour ago to fax my transcripts from Grad school. Completed interview in July. Have medical on Tuesday the 12th. After the medical I just have to wait to see about the PTA and face to face psych. Good Luck to all.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

Word is that the new transfer policy starts this month on the 15th. My boss said that each office will put a number out of the number of FAMs they want. My boss did not know how they would decide on who will get it. he did say that the guys in the NY and DC office will be sh_t out of luck.

[sworntruth]

I submitted my app about 2 weeks ago through avue, recieved my COE and background investigation request the next day and than didn't hear anything until today when i got a call to schedule my interview. Is it a pretty straight forward interview? Is it a panel or just 1 person? I live in Portland, Oregon and have my interview in Renton, Wa. I put in for the DC office since my wife and i will be moving out there soon either way. Any info anyone has on the interview, i'd really appreciate it!

[kw111]

It sounds like this might be crunch week with the FY coming to a close. Anybody hearing anything new?

[jrnwaarmy]

It sounds like this might be crunch week with the FY coming to a close. Anybody hearing anything new?


Is FY end sept 30 or 30 oct?

[drepol]

Is FY end sept 30 or 30 oct?
30 sept. is the last day of FY06 (oct. 1 is day 1 of FY07)

[Tower]

30 sept. is the last day of FY06 (oct. 1 is day 1 of FY07)

I've heard Sep 17th is the end. My recruiter gave me little notice to get my PTA done and Mental Health Certificate in this week so they can forward my entire package to headquarters by the 17th. This may just be FAMS cutoff for the field offices to get their numbers to headquaters so they can show adequate need for funding for the new fiscal year.

[jrnwaarmy]

30 sept. is the last day of FY06 (oct. 1 is day 1 of FY07)

thank you drepol.when i did my interview in LA FO it looks like they are trying to get application process in the move and i did the blitz in DC. So in reality is that we still have to wait regardless of FY ending.

[drepol]

30 sept. is the last day of FY06 (oct. 1 is day 1 of FY07)
This is for the entire US Government, not just FAMS

[kr1s]

I submitted my app about 2 weeks ago through avue, recieved my COE and background investigation request the next day and than didn't hear anything until today when i got a call to schedule my interview. Is it a pretty straight forward interview? Is it a panel or just 1 person? I live in Portland, Oregon and have my interview in Renton, Wa. I put in for the DC office since my wife and i will be moving out there soon either way. Any info anyone has on the interview, i'd really appreciate it!

You're lucky...I submitted 3 or 4 weeks ago....Nothing yet except the COE. Avue still says "Tentatively passed basic quals" "No selection made". :( Could this be because I live in Miami and NOT New York or DC?

kris

[MassVet]

Supposedly my info is at the hiring panel. Yesterday I got a letter from the FAMS medical program in NJ, NOT QTC, to retake the Vision Snellen test ( the letters) and that instead of 20/30 uncorrected I must get 20/20,I am assuming that is corrected. I will get this done today and fax it directly to them. The letter says the faster I move the faster the info gets to the FAMS medical director. I am hoping he is a member of the panel and that that is the only thing holding me back.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

It is getting close to the end! It is a good time to start SWEATING!

[thermop6]

Has anyone ever gotten hired with a "poor" rating on one part of their PTAs? The rest are "excellents.."

[drepol]

You're lucky...I submitted 3 or 4 weeks ago....Nothing yet except the COE. Avue still says "Tentatively passed basic quals" "No selection made". :( Could this be because I live in Miami and NOT New York or DC?

kris
Ummm...My avue page still says 'no selection made' and I have been with FAMS for almost a year

[kr1s]

Ummm...My avue page still says 'no selection made' and I have been with FAMS for almost a year

Well shucks! I want to hear something then! But thanks for the info.

[MarcDominic]

Got my psych interview today at 5:30. :D Hope they don't beat me down too much.

[jrnwaarmy]

It is getting close to the end! It is a good time to start SWEATING!



is this the only season that FAM hires? up to sept 30 and that's it...? so even you completed everything you still have to wait a year?? thanks in advance for any input. intheaircop is correct!!!I'm start sweating now!!!! :confused:

[drepol]

is this the only season that FAM hires? up to sept 30 and that's it...? so even you completed everything you still have to wait a year?? thanks in advance for any input. intheaircop is correct!!!I'm start sweating now!!!! :confused:
No, FAMS will hire at any time of year. The end of the fiscal year marks some changes in funding, so many applicants look forward to the fiscal year's end because an agency will often push a bunch of people through to use the funding. This is true of any agency

[jrnwaarmy]

No, FAMS will hire at any time of year. The end of the fiscal year marks some changes in funding, so many applicants look forward to the fiscal year's end because an agency will often push a bunch of people through to use the funding. This is true of any agency


Thanks again drepol, Like everybody, i will not try to think about it to much. :)

[Ammo22]

Completed medical today. I know 20/20 is the sight requirement, but I got 20/22 in one eye & 20/20 in the other. Anybody have an opinion about this.

[MassVet]

you must get 20/20 uncorrected. I just had that problem,read a couple posts up.

[jmk421]

you must get 20/20 uncorrected. I just had that problem,read a couple posts up.


Figures, I just got finished the whole process and now I find out that 20/30 uncorrected is a problem. After my medical I inquired about my vision and was told "oh, you are fine you have 20/30 vision". I continued to ask them if I should get that corrected or retake the exam because I knew that the requirement was 20/20. They told me that I didn't have to do anything because 20/10-20/30 is the real standard for normal vision.

I knew something new would come up…

I guess its just a matter of time before I’m asked to retake the vision exam. :mad:

[tavman]

Since you guys posting the vision test information freaked me out a little. I decided to check Avue for any information. Below is from the Fact Sheet on the Medical Certification of Federal Air Marshals.
Bold areas are from their text, and the link is below.
Maybe things changed, but still hoping for the best.

Distant Visual Acuity: Individuals must maintain distant visual acuity of 20/20 or better in each eye separately, *with or without corrective lens. The use of contact lenses as well as eyeglasses are permitted. Individuals with uncorrected distant visual acuity worse than 20/100 in either eye separately may not be medically certified. There is no special consideration for visual acuity worse than 20/100 in either eye.

https://www.avuedigitalservices.com/fams/medicalCertification.pdf

[kw111]

Since you guys posting the vision test information freaked me out a little. I decided to check Avue for any information. Below is from the Fact Sheet on the Medical Certification of Federal Air Marshals.
Bold areas are from their text, and the link is below.
Maybe things changed, but still hoping for the best.

Distant Visual Acuity: Individuals must maintain distant visual acuity of 20/20 or better in each eye separately, *with or without corrective lens. The use of contact lenses as well as eyeglasses are permitted. Individuals with uncorrected distant visual acuity worse than 20/100 in either eye separately may not be medically certified. There is no special consideration for visual acuity worse than 20/100 in either eye.

https://www.avuedigitalservices.com/fams/medicalCertification.pdf

Yeah, they messed mine up too. First, I had to convince them to test my uncorrected visit since they kept claiming it was unecessary. Secondly, they transposed my corrected and uncorrected vision. Turns out my distant vision was fine 20/15 in both, but my near vision in one eye was 20/30. Hopefully perfect near vsion is not required. If you are preparing to have your medical done, watch the paperwork carefully and get copies of the completed forms. Its easier than going back 3x.

[MassVet]

i apologize,i was typing quickly, it is 20/20 uncorrected, or corrected. like the above states

[Patrio72]

I faxed my transcripts in last week. After they have been faxed in, do they appear under the Attached Documents section on Avue?

I had my medical on 9/11 and went back to the clinic today for my TB reading. Everything is in order and they are going to FedEx all of my medical paperwork to QTC today.

Now it is back to waiting.

Patriot72

[kr1s]

Let me ask...The first contact after the COE, is it by Regular mail? Or e-mail? I got the COE on Aug 23...requested background info, submitted that information along with my current SF-86 and Clearance paperwork to show that I am not up for my 5 year PR until 2008. If they were taking action on me, I would have heard something by now...Right?

Thanks in advance.

kris

[Legend1bt]

Patrio, I just wanted to give you a heads up on the medical. Make sure you call QTC in the next few days and make sure everything is in order and that there are no problems. The medical place I went to forget to due some things and I was able to find out and fix the problem within about 2 days. Also I hope you got copies of all your paperwork, just incase they lose your orginals.

[kw111]

Let me ask...The first contact after the COE, is it by Regular mail? Or e-mail? I got the COE on Aug 23...requested background info, submitted that information along with my current SF-86 and Clearance paperwork to show that I am not up for my 5 year PR until 2008. If they were taking action on me, I would have heard something by now...Right?

Thanks in advance.

kris

For me, my next contact after the COE was verbal to set up an interview. For my buddy who applied at the same time, his was via Fedex for the fingerprints.

[sworntruth]

Let me ask...The first contact after the COE, is it by Regular mail? Or e-mail? I got the COE on Aug 23...requested background info, submitted that information along with my current SF-86 and Clearance paperwork to show that I am not up for my 5 year PR until 2008. If they were taking action on me, I would have heard something by now...Right?

Thanks in advance.

kris

Hey kr1s, my first contact after the COE was a phone call from the local office to schedule my interview. I got the call on monday and have the interview on the 21st. When they call you may depend on how busy the local office near you is. Hope it comes for you soon!

[datfas]

Well after a month and a half after the medical, they finally got it straight. It took 3 visits to the doctor's office and about 25 calls to QTC. QTC got the paperwork today and will send it to NJ FAMS overnight. Just have the PAT left.

[kr1s]

Hey kr1s, my first contact after the COE was a phone call from the local office to schedule my interview. I got the call on monday and have the interview on the 21st. When they call you may depend on how busy the local office near you is. Hope it comes for you soon!

Thanks bro! I am just sitting back and watching...crossing my fingers with ANY of the agencies I applied for. This has only been recent (within 2 weeks...except FAM's) that I have applied for some agencies. Good luck to everyone else.

Kris

[Patrio72]

The Credit Check Release Form was added to my Avue profile earlier this week. I printed, signed and faxed it back same day.

Q - How quickly will they check my credit and how can I find out if it has in fact been checked?

Patriot72

[kr1s]

The Credit Check Release Form was added to my Avue profile earlier this week. I printed, signed and faxed it back same day.

Q - How quickly will they check my credit and how can I find out if it has in fact been checked?

Patriot72


FreecreditreportDOTcom lets you get a free report. I actually signed up with them when the VA computers got stolen and for I think $11/month, I get alerts of ANY changes to my credit report including inquiries. This ONLY gives you Experian though. For the $11/month though, you get your Experian report monthly along with a credit score...

And NO...It doesn't hurt to check your OWN credit.

Congrats and good luck.

Kris

[Ammo22]

Good call Patrio I just noticed that I have the credit form also. Guess I better get that faxed ASAP.

[tavman]

The credit check form is kind of funny. I now have it in avue also, but my credit was pulled in June and July.

[kw111]

The credit check form is kind of funny. I now have it in avue also, but my credit was pulled in June and July.

Same thing for mine too.

[kr1s]

WOW! What a mission! After browsing through Avue, I notice some papers I have to fax in. It was ALL of the medical forms. Went to my doctors today to get them signed. Credit form. Release of Information form, verification of citizen form, EVERYTHING!. I never knew it was there and Lord knows how long it has been there. You would think that an e-mail would pop up stating you have forms to fax. But I guess not. Anyway, I just faxed in 37 pages of goodness. Hopefully it is good to go. I just hope I am not TOO LATE!!!

Kris

[bdfjr24]

What part of AVUE do you find these forms that are required?

[kr1s]

What part of AVUE do you find these forms that are required?

Under background information...View...Then to Print and Sign required Docs

Also, for the xscripts and such, under the main part of your FAM's screen, you see Print and Sign req'd Docs. Get all of that in order to send in as well.

Kris

[kw111]

Once you complete the BI, the forms are available under the "Print and Sign Required Documents" section. You rmust return the consent for BI, consent for Medical, and sign the bottom of the SF-86 that it generates and return all 3 signed items. There seems to be a new Signed Credit Check Release Form that is in the same location.
The medical forms are completed during your Medical Evaluation under the FOH. Avue will email you to make an appt with a local doctor and complete the forms on their dime.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

Word has it that each offcie is going to put out a number of postions that they are short. The agency is preparing for the new transfer policy to come out and it was to be out today. My office alone is short close to 75 FAMs.

[kr1s]

Word has it that each offcie is going to put out a number of postions that they are short. The agency is preparing for the new transfer policy to come out and it was to be out today. My office alone is short close to 75 FAMs.


Holy POO!! Thanks for the info. Hopefully Miami is short of some!

Nonetheless, I know a goofy question but some of this stuff is confusing. I, as I posted earlier submitted a TON of info today. It showed up on my Avue page within an hour...Good stuff!

However, it says:

must have your physician complete the following forms:

Treating Physician Status Report Form, F3280A to address the medical conditions you reported.
Physical Exercise Performance Requirements Form, F3280B.

I understand the first one no problem. But, does a FAM's medical board fill this out? If not, this was under the stack of 30+ pages I submitted today and forgot to have my doc sign. So I need to go back Monday. For the F3280B, I can't find that ANYWHERE! This doesn't seem like something I would have to have filled out by my regular doc though does it? Just curious who signs those forms and whatnot. Thanks in advance.

Kris

[INTHEAIRCOP]

Miami is hurting for new FAMs but they are still placing all the new hires in DC and NY.

[kw111]

Miami is hurting for new FAMs but they are still placing all the new hires in DC and NY.

So what is the value then to announcing how many vacancies each FO has? Is it just for existing FAMs to be able to transfer?

[manstown]

I would guess it would be for those existing FAMS. I would think that they would try to get them where they want to be so they don't lose more. But that is something INTHEAIR could verify.

[usmc2pd]

Disregard my previous post. I found clarification on Avue's site.

[mjlam23]

Holy POO!! Thanks for the info. Hopefully Miami is short of some!

Nonetheless, I know a goofy question but some of this stuff is confusing. I, as I posted earlier submitted a TON of info today. It showed up on my Avue page within an hour...Good stuff!

However, it says:

must have your physician complete the following forms:

Treating Physician Status Report Form, F3280A to address the medical conditions you reported.
Physical Exercise Performance Requirements Form, F3280B.

I understand the first one no problem. But, does a FAM's medical board fill this out? If not, this was under the stack of 30+ pages I submitted today and forgot to have my doc sign. So I need to go back Monday. For the F3280B, I can't find that ANYWHERE! This doesn't seem like something I would have to have filled out by my regular doc though does it? Just curious who signs those forms and whatnot. Thanks in advance.

Kris

Just spoke to Avue about F3280B, they say this form is no longer required by the FAMS- They said to make an appointment with their doctor and you will be told what to bring. Good Luck!

[kr1s]

Just spoke to Avue about F3280B, they say this form is no longer required by the FAMS- They said to make an appointment with their doctor and you will be told what to bring. Good Luck!


Yeah bro. Just got the e-mail reply myself. Thanks!

Kris

[Ammo22]

You do not have to fax all those printable forms available on the AVUE website. Just fax or attach the ones that have the fax icon next to them. All the other ones are just there so you can view them. Some are available for the Doctor to sign when you have your medical. The only ones that I faxed were the BI release, Medical release, which I faxed 7 months ago, and just recently the credit check release.

[Tower]

Did this just come out this week? I haven't heard of or seen it on avue. Question...for those of you that have it, do you have active security clearances? I just finished everything and my package was submitted Sep 14. Was never notified about the credit check release form.

[kr1s]

Did this just come out this week? I haven't heard of or seen it on avue. Question...for those of you that have it, do you have active security clearances? I just finished everything and my package was submitted Sep 14. Was never notified about the credit check release form.


Mine is active...I was never notified about any form. I was just off work yesterday and was poking around the site.

[tavman]

I currently have a clearance with DHS(OPM). I was told by one person that they would start over from scratch, and another person said that they would just do an upgrade.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

They still have not released the new transfer policy as of today. I will let you all know as soon as I know.

[Ammo22]

Did this just come out this week? I haven't heard of or seen it on avue. Question...for those of you that have it, do you have active security clearances? I just finished everything and my package was submitted Sep 14. Was never notified about the credit check release form.


I just noticed it on AVUE this week too after Patrio pointed it out. I usually check AVUE every now and then because not everybody is organized and tells us (applicants) what exactly we have to do. I do not have and active security clearance.

[kw111]

For those of you who have taken the PTA already, did Avue set it up, or the local FO? Thanks

[jmk421]

For those of you who have taken the PTA already, did Avue set it up, or the local FO? Thanks

I got my call from the local FO.

[Tower]

For those of you who have taken the PTA already, did Avue set it up, or the local FO? Thanks

You should be contacted by the Local FO you are dealing with. If it has been a while...maybe call avue and see where things are at with your paperwork. I "walked" my paperwork through after my medical exam and sure enough after called avue to see if they fowarded it to FAMS Med. The next day I received an email from my recruiter to schedule the PTA and fax in my Mental Health Certificate.

[0351]

I would guess it would be for those existing FAMS. I would think that they would try to get them where they want to be so they don't lose more. But that is something INTHEAIR could verify.
They don't exactly tell us the reason for doing many things, particularly with hiring. At any rate, if they sending new hires to other field offices, before letting people in NY or DC transfer (many of whom were told they would be able to a long time ago) there's going to be some major discontent.

[drepol]

They don't exactly tell us the reason for doing many things, particularly with hiring. At any rate, if they sending new hires to other field offices, before letting people in NY or DC transfer (many of whom were told they would be able to a long time ago) there's going to be some major discontent.
they are not sending new hires to any field office other than NYFO and WFO.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

Lets see first. If I am right they will start placing some new hires in other offices in the near future.

[bdfjr24]

I just checked AVUE. Itstated that I finished the first phase of hiring and now I needed to make appointments for my medical. Will I recieve a call from FAM to setup my appts or do I need to make the call to set it up? If so, who do I call?

[0351]

they are not sending new hires to any field office other than NYFO and WFO.
I know this, I'm a FAM.
I was just stating the obvious, that if they do send new hires to other offices before letting people transfer there will be some major discontent, and that's probably an understatement.

[Ammo22]

I just checked AVUE. Itstated that I finished the first phase of hiring and now I needed to make appointments for my medical. Will I recieve a call from FAM to setup my appts or do I need to make the call to set it up? If so, who do I call?

Everyone has been going through the process in different steps. My medical was scheduled right after I had my interview. When I came home form my interview the e-mail was already there for the med. I received an e-mail from AVUE to call and schedule it. The e-mail has all the info in it. Pretty much you call give your info they set you up for the medical at the closest FOH clinic near where you live. Also I called a couple of times just to make sure they were on top of scheduling me ASAP because it took about 5 weeks from the time I scheduled the medical to actually have it.

[drepol]

I know this, I'm a FAM.

I am as well.

[sworntruth]

I requested DC, so hopefully that might help me out a little bit.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

Well I am also a FAM and have been since 2001 and let me tell you this bud, the FAM service has a rep of doing what ever the hell they want. They are not going to care if a bunch of guys are upset because they placed some new hires in other places other than DC and NY. I have been here since the beginning and I have learned never to be surprised of what the FAM service does and I also stopped getting mad. I just do my shift and I go home.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

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Just had a meeting with the SAIC in our office and he said that they will stop hiring 9/30/06. So if you do not get a start date by then, well then you are out of luck. This came from the top and it is fact.

Also he told us about the new transfer policy. Each office will put out a number of openeings that they have. Every October you can put in upto 3 places you want to go. It will then be based on EOD to the FAM service(other federal service will not count). If you have had any write ups that were placed in you file in HQ, well then you are out. So all the new guys will not be getting any transfers because all the FAMs who have been in NY and DC since 2001 etc., will get first dibs on the new transfer policy. No money will be given (no pcs) to move. And also if you do get a transfer, you can not put in for another one for another 5 years.

I say again, you new guys in DC and NY are going to be there for a very long time.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

ooopppssss

[kw111]

FAMS is going to stop hiring indefinitely?

[MassVet]

so they are going to figure out who is going where, and how many new guys are going to NY or DC in 12 days. What if DC or NY gets filled but there is a need in lets say....Miami?

[Tower]

More than likely the hiring will be on pause until the new budget is in place. Which would probably be January. There is also a chance they will continue to process current applicants but hiring them anytime soon doesn't look likely. :(

[jmk421]

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Just had a meeting with the SAIC in our office and he said that they will stop hiring 9/30/06. So if you do not get a start date by then, well then you are out of luck. This came from the top and it is fact.

Also he told us about the new transfer policy. Each office will put out a number of openeings that they have. Every October you can put in upto 3 places you want to go. It will then be based on EOD to the FAM service(other federal service will not count). If you have had any write ups that were placed in you file in HQ, well then you are out. So all the new guys will not be getting any transfers because all the FAMs who have been in NY and DC since 2001 etc., will get first dibs on the new transfer policy. No money will be given (no pcs) to move. And also if you do get a transfer, you can not put in for another one for another 5 years.

I say again, you new guys in DC and NY are going to be there for a very long time.

I have my fingers crossed that i hear something in the near future!
I got a call from someone in DC about faxing a statement on prior drug use last Thursday so he can forward my files to his superiors. So, I'm assuming that my packet is somewhere in DC, hopefully with the hiring panel or selection officer. I guess I just got everything to them just in time.

Good luck to all!!

[usmc1775]

Has anyone got the number for that truck driving school? I think I'm going to need it.....

[INTHEAIRCOP]

My SAIC did say that if you are in the process that they will still process you. He just said that no more start dates untill maybe March or so. So they will still test and run you guys through and put you on a list of ready to hire when classes start again. He also said that it looks like they may start placing new hires who come on next year in other places other than NY and DC. Now I am just putting out what the SAIC of my office said. So it sounds like that if you do not get hired this go around that maybe if you get hired next year that you may have a good chance to get hired in some other place other then DC or NY. So do not cry if you do not get the call before 9/30/06 because it could turn into good news when they call you next year and tell you that you can go to any office you want?

[jmk421]

My SAIC did say that if you are in the process that they will still process you. He just said that no more start dates untill maybe March or so. So they will still test and run you guys through and put you on a list of ready to hire when classes start again. He also said that it looks like they may start placing new hires who come on next year in other places other than NY and DC. Now I am just putting out what the SAIC of my office said. So it sounds like that if you do not get hired this go around that maybe if you get hired next year that you may have a good chance to get hired in some other place other then DC or NY. So do not cry if you do not get the call before 9/30/06 because it could turn into good news when they call you next year and tell you that you can go to any office you want?

Will someone notify applicants that are completely done the process and inform them that the next start dates will be a few months away?? The PTA assessment results are only good for 90 days. So I’m assuming that my PTA that I just took might end up being a waste of time and energy for both sides.

I guess I’m just getting nervous about the timing of everything. I’ve been in the process for a year and I finally finished everything almost two weeks ago. I’m not sure if my packet is with the hiring panel or what not. Furthermore, I’ve read that the hiring panel usually reviews your file for 2 weeks, so any decision would just make the September 30th deadline.

Thanks for all the info!

[thermop6]

Will someone notify applicants that are completely done the process and inform them that the next start dates will be a few months away?? The PTA assessment results are only good for 90 days. So I’m assuming that my PTA that I just took might end up being a waste of time and energy for both sides.

I guess I’m just getting nervous about the timing of everything. I’ve been in the process for a year and I finally finished everything almost two weeks ago. I’m not sure if my packet is with the hiring panel or what not. Furthermore, I’ve read that the hiring panel usually reviews your file for 2 weeks, so any decision would just make the September 30th deadline.

Thanks for all the info!

I'm in the exact same boat jmk. My FO said that we should get calls by the end of Sept. if we were in by Sept 11th.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

OH AND they will be opening 2 more new offices and they will be in San Fransisco and Phoniex,AZ.

[MassVet]

got the Psych Recert email today, faxing it in right now and then....

[Patrio72]

They called me at 6:30 a.m. (CA time) to request a couple of things. Evidently, when QTC received my medical packet from the local clinic, my Authorization form was m.i.a. So QTC emailed me a copy, I filled it out and faxed it back. Also, while I was on the phone with QTC, she asked me a couple of follow-up questions regarding my health. She said that after she received my Authorization form, she would forward my packet to FAMs. Is this a good sign?

Patriot72

[MassVet]

ok, so i faxed in my psych recert. which is wierd, i took the psych less than two months ago, and then today my local FO called, i have the PTA tomorrow. Short notice.....luckily im not a tub o lard.




lets see, im hopeful that this is it.

[Ammo22]

The damn FOH clinic I went to is killing me. They were supposed to send my stuff in last week but the Physician is only there on Wednesday so I have to wait until tomorrow for them to FedEx my Med stuff to QTC. Pending INTHEAIRCOP is accurate which is usually the case, I am sorry to say this but I will just have to wait until next year to see if I get hired. Then again compared to other Federal Jobs this has gone pretty quickly considering some people have been going through this process for a year or more. Good luck to all those that are in the home stretch.

[jmk421]

The damn FOH clinic I went to is killing me. They were supposed to send my stuff in last week but the Physician is only there on Wednesday so I have to wait until tomorrow for them to FedEx my Med stuff to QTC. Pending INTHEAIRCOP is accurate which is usually the case, I am sorry to say this but I will just have to wait until next year to see if I get hired. Then again compared to other Federal Jobs this has gone pretty quickly considering some people have been going through this process for a year or more. Good luck to all those that are in the home stretch.

I had a similar problem with my clinic. The doctor had to sign off on some things, however, she went on vacation for two weeks right after my visit. I explained to QTC that it’s going to be awhile so they let a different doctor at the same clinic sign off. That might be something you might want to try, but of course it is only ONE day. Also, make sure you follow up with OTC. They have a habit of misplacing or forgetting about files. I basically had to walk them through the process to just get my files forwarded to the FAMS.

Call, call, and call again to make sure they are doing their job. After all, it is your career they’re dealing with, so don’t feel bad about bothering them.

[kw111]

JMKs right. They let another Doc from the same office sign off on mine as well. Couldn't hurt to try it and see if they let you.

[SinCity007]

Finished processing last Wed (9/13/06). Had to drive to New Jersey for Medical and PT from DC (applied with WFO). Hopefully I get "the call" this week, I am in Federal LE currently and I do understand the Oct 1st deadline. Keeping my fingers crossed. Good Luck to all that truly want this career.

[Legend1bt]

Finished processing last Wed (9/13/06). Had to drive to New Jersey for Medical and PT from DC (applied with WFO). Hopefully I get "the call" this week, I am in Federal LE currently and I do understand the Oct 1st deadline. Keeping my fingers crossed. Good Luck to all that truly want this career.


Good luck sincity... Still waiting on my medical to clear Fams headquarters. I spoke to them yesterday and they said they were doing proceesing all last week and they still have lots of packects they havent gone through yet. They also said that people would continue to be hired past September 30. Although Im more inclined to believe INTHEAIRCOP, since everything he has said thus far has been accurate. Thats just what the person I spoke to said, but she probably didnt have all of her facts straight. SO now its just a waiting game.

Also Im curious as to why you had to apply, instead of maybe doing a LAT move. It said in your profile that your already in LE with the Pentagon. So Im assuming you have been to FLETC and that your permanent. I know people can lat move b/c I have seen friends switch over to other agencies form DEA and U.S. Marshals, although they had to do the interview and go through that agencies training. Again Congrats with completing the application process and Good luck..

[MassVet]

OK recently I have

Got the Psych Recert E Mail (Monday)
Faxed in Recert (Tuesday)
Got called from my local FO for PAT (Tuesday)
Got Called from Virginia for Psych 1Hr appointment (Today/Wednesday)


The Woman who called said my medical is finally cleared. I am taking the PAT in an hour. I am ready for it. Crappy thing is when I called the Psych Doctor he wants me to call back at 4pm, that is rediculous. He should be ready to go.



I did pretty good on the PTA, I was nervous as ****. It was me and another applicant who turns 37 on Monday and a FAM. They were pretty relaxed throughout the whole thing.

I got 13 pullups, I think 52 push ups (1 minute), 52 situps (1 minute) and I think a 10:20 Run.


I do pull ups overhand until im tired, then pump out about two more.

Here are the standards. for 20-29
< 10:17 mile and a half
> 11 pull-ups
> 54 push-ups in 1 min
> 46 sit-ups in 1 min

I am 24



GOOD LUCK. I also asked the other applicant if he was on any forums,he said no.

[Maryland Po-Po]

Hello,

I have been following this for a while and like everyone else waiting for the call. I went through the hiring blitz at the Hyatt as well as a my post partner, whom we are ( was is his case ) police for a city agency in MD. My friend was hired by FAMS about a month ago and started orientation on Monday. He gave me a call the other day to BS and to see how my progress was going with other agencies I have applied with. During the call I asked if he heard anything about any more hires still to come with FAMS. He stated that there are 12 more new hires starting today ( now all of this is in the DC field office ) and after them it will a little while until more are brought on......maybe by the end of the year. Which by federal government standards could mean a year from now. So as far as I am concerned the recent window everyone was so excited about is closed. Now that does not mean we will not get a call in the future but remember if any one else went through the blitz. There where alot of people who came to the blitz that where RE-DOING some of the process because they applied a year ago and had ALREADY done some of the process. I guess because like one guy I talked to at the blitz it had been 6 months since he had last done something for FAMS and they wanted to UPDATE his process. So for all the people on this forum who has stated that they have other opportunities and wished FAMS would hurry up a little. It now a good idea to look at what is front of you NOW and not what MAYBE coming in the future. Anyway I hoped that this has helped. This is first hand info.....so good luck to all and stay safe.

[jmk421]

I guess this big push to get people on by the 30th isn't really that big. I haven't heard about anyone getting the call in awhile. For only having a few days it sure doesn't seem like much is going on.

I know some people still have a report date of the 25th in NYC and it does seem like the 17th was the magic number for DC. Unless the FAMS are planning on a class in October getting the call sometime soon doesn't seem promising.

Has anyone heard of FAMS hiring for dates a couple months away? I.e. Getting a call on the 30th for a report date in Dec or Jan.

[SinCity007]

Good luck sincity... Still waiting on my medical to clear Fams headquarters. I spoke to them yesterday and they said they were doing proceesing all last week and they still have lots of packects they havent gone through yet. They also said that people would continue to be hired past September 30. Although Im more inclined to believe INTHEAIRCOP, since everything he has said thus far has been accurate. Thats just what the person I spoke to said, but she probably didnt have all of her facts straight. SO now its just a waiting game.

Also Im curious as to why you had to apply, instead of maybe doing a LAT move. It said in your profile that your already in LE with the Pentagon. So Im assuming you have been to FLETC and that your permanent. I know people can lat move b/c I have seen friends switch over to other agencies form DEA and U.S. Marshals, although they had to do the interview and go through that agencies training. Again Congrats with completing the application process and Good luck..
If I get the call from FAMs, it will still be considered a Lateral move within the Government, for me Department of Defense to the Department of Homeland Security. Yes I am a permanent employee, yes I have been to FLETC, GLYNCO GA 3/2002. But like all agencies, every applicant must still pass through the process like everyone else. There are waviers that agencies can give to hire permanent federal employees, but I am in the same boat like eveyone else regardless. I have worked in federal recruiting before and the FAMs can still hire if they have the money from the previous year in the kitty, all they have to do is ask for an extention due to the emergency need to fill positions. If the money is used up then thats a different story. Otherwise, I will lose sleep like the rest of us and pray for the offer by September 29th @ 5pm EST.

[kr1s]

Haven't heard anything yet. Oh well. I have an interview with a company tomorrow...Maybe that will hold me over until I hear something from one of the agencies I applied for.

[SinCity007]

INTHEAIRCOP says:

My SAIC did say that if you are in the process that they will still process you. He just said that no more start dates untill maybe March or so. So they will still test and run you guys through and put you on a list of ready to hire when classes start again. He also said that it looks like they may start placing new hires who come on next year in other places other than NY and DC. Now I am just putting out what the SAIC of my office said. So it sounds like that if you do not get hired this go around that maybe if you get hired next year that you may have a good chance to get hired in some other place other then DC or NY. So do not cry if you do not get the call before 9/30/06 because it could turn into good news when they call you next year and tell you that you can go to any office you want?


SinCity007 reply:

Is this for new hires that have to goto New Mexico, FLETC? or does this include transfers (FLETC grads, that have to do the 7 weeks in New Jersey) alos? Thanks..

[INTHEAIRCOP]

With the exception of BOP guys, any other fed only has to go to the 7 weeks(phase 2 ) in Atlantic city.

[tavman]

So.. I got a letter today from FAM Medical written on the 7th but postmarked the 18th... just a little delayed. Seems that for the distant visual you cannot use corrected vision. The office that did my physical recorded my distant visual as as 20/30, I had a discharge physical about 4months ago that said 20/20. Now I have to go to the optomologist and have a full eye test and send that to FAM.

Word to the wise make sure they do your eye test correctly. Stay on top of the clinic that you visit, QTC, and call FAM med if you have the number.

[Tower]

Did anyone get a call this week with an EOD?

[SinCity007]

Did anyone get a call this week with an EOD?

No call yet. I spoke with my recruiter from the Washington Field Office and he stated quote, "DC and NY field offices will continue to hire well through the rest of the year." I inquired about the concern I had for the FY06 ending next week and a freeze on EOD's. I was told not to worry.

The Washington Post had an article on the health of Air Marshals for the last 3 years. Its good reading.

[tavman]

Seattle field office rep said the same thing. They will continue to hire this fall. Now if I can just get this eye sight thing cleared up.

[jmk421]

No call yet. I spoke with my recruiter from the Washington Field Office and he stated quote, "DC and NY field offices will continue to hire well through the rest of the year." I inquired about the concern I had for the FY06 ending next week and a freeze on EOD's. I was told not to worry.

The Washington Post had an article on the health of Air Marshals for the last 3 years. Its good reading.


Well that is good news! :)

[MassVet]

eye sight fix: Go to lenscrafters or a walk in place at a mall and pay the extra money for a walk in service and be done in five minutes.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

I WILL SAY THIS ONCE AGAIN. The SAIC of my office was at a SAIC conferance last week and he told us that hiring will stop the 30th and start back up again sometime next year. Each time our SAIC in my office puts information out and it has always been correct.

[jmk421]

Well I'm done. I just got the email stating better qualified applicants are being processed. It was sent on a Saturday at 4:10am, I wasn't expecting that.

Good luck everyone! :)

[Tower]

Well I'm done. I just got the email stating better qualified applicants are being processed. It was sent on a Saturday at 4:10am, I wasn't expecting that.

Good luck everyone! :)

If it came from avue I would verify that with FAMS. Since you are so far a long in the process. I've heard of a few others receiving the email and it not being correct. Even a few already hired that got it months after EOD.

[jmk421]

If it came from avue I would verify that with FAMS. Since you are so far a long in the process. I've heard of a few others receiving the email and it not being correct. Even a few already hired that got it months after EOD.

I thought it was weird that it was sent on a Saturday morning at 4:10am. I sent an email to famshelp on avue to see if it was sent in error, but I haven’t received a response. I don’t expect a response till Monday since i'm sure they don't have hours on weekends, which also makes me wonder about the email. If anyone has the FAMS HR department number please PM me with it.

I guess there is still a little hope left but I’m not counting on it. I would imagine that these emails are usually the real thing. It would have been nice to at least received a letter or something. It’s been a long process and a simple email generated by a computer just doesn’t seem right.

[Tower]

I thought it was weird that it was sent on a Saturday morning at 4:10am. I sent an email to famshelp on avue to see if it was sent in error, but I haven’t received a response. I don’t expect a response till Monday since i'm sure they don't have hours on weekends, which also makes me wonder about the email. If anyone has the FAMS HR department number please PM me with it.

I guess there is still a little hope left but I’m not counting on it. I would imagine that these emails are usually the real thing. It would have been nice to at least received a letter or something. It’s been a long process and a simple email generated by a computer just doesn’t seem right.


I don't recall if it was on this forum or the other 2 forums I know of with FAMS threads, but they were discussing this issue. Avue has generated false emails with this topic in particular. Now I don't want to get your hopes up jmk421 but if you are serious about this job ensure that the email is correct in its intentions. I hope it is for you... A place to start may be with the individual who scheduled your PTA from your local FO. Good luck!

[manstown]

They have sent a few errand ones out there. But recently it seems that those that get the email, are usually the unlucky ones. I would still check into it though. Good Luck.

[jmk421]

I just got a reply from Avue saying that the email was accurate. It just wasn't meant to be. Some other agency will now have the advantage of me being an employee.

Good luck to everyone and thanks for all the info.

[EndlessEcko]

Best of luck to ya.

[filldj]

I have been reading this thread and the 911 forums for awhile and decided to register to tell you all about my timeline.

Avue application: 10Nov2005
COE: 10Nove2005
Call for Interview Schedule: 19Jul2006
Interview: 25Jul2006
Physical: 09Aug2006
Physical Cleared QTC: 01Sep2006
Physical Cleared FAMS: 06Sep2006
Psych Recert: 07Sep2006
Call for DD214 and transcripts: 12Sep2006
PT test: 13Sep2006
Got the Call: 20Sep2006

As you can see from my timeline it was a long and drawn out process like most everyone who is going through the hiring. I had problems with QTC losing paperwork and then telling me I had to drive another 2 hours each way to have the paperwork reaccomplished (after pressing them a bit they said they could just fax it to me for completion). Also I had to annoy QTC in order for my package to be cleared they just seemed to want to sit on it but the lady I spoke with was fairly helpful and understood my impatience. As far as the interview goes there were 4 of us that interviewed and 2 went home. Everyone seemed to take a little over an hour. When they called my transcripts and DD214 I explained that I could fax over transcripts printed off the school's website or I would have to wait a few weeks for the official ones. They said the online one would be sufficient. I have not yet completed my degree (Criminal Justice with minor in Government and Politics) so I was a little suprised but they said they said because the school was listed on my app they needed the transcripts. I see there have been questions about the PT test whether it is a group or individual thing. I did mine with two other individuals, and there were 3 people from the field office as well. Trust me the 7 days between my PT test and the call were some of the longest in my life. I start next month at the DCFO.

[EndlessEcko]

Congrats! Good to hear the calls are still going out. I start at the NYFO TOMORROW! My timeline is here. Again CONGRATS!!!

FAMS TIMELINE :) :)
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Applied: 11/05
Conditional Offer: 1/06
Filled out B.I.: 2/06
Physical Examination: 3/06
Panel Interview: 5/06
Drug Screening: 5/06
Written Psych. Tests: 5/06
Psychological Interview: 6/06
PTA: 7/06
Called for Transcripts: 8/06
Got the Call: 9/7/06
Report NYFO: 9/25/06

[Ammo22]

Does anybody know what the requirements are for lateral vision?

[Tower]

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20060920-123800-5262r.htm

[usmc1775]

Stunning.... I asked that question exactally during the Panel interview.

I asked what the track record of FAMS being afflicted with pulmonary embolisms looked like, and they said that have never seen a case of that happening. I understand that that would have been a clot that moved to the heart, but it has to start somewhere, and the mere formation of a clot is a huge problem.

The more I read about, and talk with FAMS, the worse the picture looks here.

[jrnwaarmy]

is it true that they are processing application but won't hire after 30 sept?thanks..

[EndlessEcko]

The hiring for this fiscal year's budge will stop after Sept. 30th. However, once DHS figures out the actual budget for FY '07 the hiring should resume. At least that is what I have been brought to understand.
But hey...today was my first day. HaHa. :)

[kr1s]

Well good luck to everyone. I just talked to Avue via e-mail about me updating my profile as I changed phone numbers and they said that they wouldn't contact me because they are hiring for NY and DC...Which I knew this going into it...which I applied anyway....Oh well. Got a call from another agency and it looks like I start testing in October...So I will see where that goes.

Good luck to everyone else.

Kris

[filldj]

I was in the same situation, you might want to consider moving though if this is really what you want to do. I know moving seems like a giant hassle (and it is) and is tough on family but I guess its just one of those choices you have to go where the jobs are. Trust me DC was nowhere near one of my original choices but I decided go ahead and see what happened. Now I am definitely glad I did.

[kr1s]

well yeah...I didn't have a problem with it. I told the wife I would get a little place there or something and she was cool with it as she has a good job here. But I guess they (AVUE) saw I was from Miami and didn't think I was up for the change. I don't know. There are a few other prospects on the horizon so I will see what's going on.

[MassVet]

had my psych meeting today. not too bad, I asked him in the end to please next day or rush my file back to the fams because i am running to the end of the line here.

[jrnwaarmy]

i guess this is the end for this year hiring...... :( hope to see every body next year!!! good luck!!

[Tower]

Does anybody know what the requirements are for lateral vision?

If you are speaking of the Lateral/Vertical Phoria test it needs to be perfect. If that is what you are asking? This test is critical, it determines your ability to properly align the sights of your firearm.

Off the top of my head I don't recall any other lateral vision requirments.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

Just talked to a FAM from my office who was at the Directors office last week. He was one of eight FAMs who were asked to have a sit down with the Director and tour HQ , the MOC and the TSOC. The directors office said that they are looking to hire another 1400 new FAMs some time next year, SO GOOD LUCK TO ALL!

[GoldBadge]

they are looking to hire another 1400 new FAMs some time next year

I know you're trying to be informative to those on this board, but is that info supposed to be made public?

[thermop6]

I know you're trying to be informative to those on this board, but is that info supposed to be made public?


Thinking the same thing...

[manstown]

Just talked to a FAM from my office who was at the Directors office last week. He was one of eight FAMs who were asked to have a sit down with the Director and tour HQ , the MOC and the TSOC. The directors office said that they are looking to hire another 1400 new FAMs some time next year, SO GOOD LUCK TO ALL!


Good Lord!!! Now this thread is never going to end.

[Legend1bt]

Since when is hiring Top Secret Information.... Just curious but if there planning to hire an additional 1400 Fams aren't those applicants coming from the public? Maybe Im wrong but I just dont think out of all things hiring would be classified.

[thermop6]

Since when is hiring Top Secret Information.... Just curious but if there planning to hire an additional 1400 Fams aren't those applicants coming from the public? Maybe Im wrong but I just dont think out of all things hiring would be classified.

Hiring isn't classified. The number of FAMs that are operational is.

This is weird. My current employer got a call checking references on Friday. They told me the BI was done months ago. No hired call, no BQA email yet. They said they wouldn't call my current employer until I was hired. Now my current employer is a touch upset and I have no idea if I'll hear anything till spring. WTF - has this happened to anyone else?

[GoldBadge]

Since when is hiring Top Secret Information.... Just curious but if there planning to hire an additional 1400 Fams aren't those applicants coming from the public? Maybe Im wrong but I just dont think out of all things hiring would be classified.

As mentioned above, the number of FAMs is classified. That's a fact that you have to live with, whether you agree with it or not. If the number of FAMs is classified, then it stands to reason that the number of FAMs to be hired during a particular year should not be publicized (at the very least).

I don't recall anything else about the FAM hiring process remotely considered as being classified.

[usmc1775]

I know someone who heard from their roomate that the FAMS are recruiting genetically engineered velociraptors. Supposedly, they are going to ride inside the food and beverage carts, and the stewardess' will have the ability to deploy the new hires on the command "sic terrorist"

They'll even be evil tempered........maybe with some freakin laser beams....

[drepol]

I know someone who heard from their roomate that the FAMS are recruiting genetically engineered velociraptors. Supposedly, they are going to ride inside the food and beverage carts, and the stewardess' will have the ability to deploy the new hires on the command "sic terrorist"

They'll even be evil tempered........maybe with some freakin laser beams....

ohh, close, but not quite right. The above mentioned raptors will actually deploy in the carryon luggage of us FAMs. and will deploy after we fast-rope from the overhead compartment. Said raptors will augument the current FAM high speed, low drag, gortex-lined, teflon-coated awesomeness:cool:

[INTHEAIRCOP]

Get a clue guys. If the number of postions is put out that the service may be looking to fill 1400 postions and it was so very TOP SECRET, dont you think they would of told us. Better yet, if it was TOP SECRET the service would not of told us. We are not even told what our numbers are as of today. Get a life guys. Give me some credit. For you guys who know me, I would never put out stuff that could get me fired or better yet, get a FAM killed. So relax. We are not the CIA or NSA. I can't stand it when some people think the FAM service is some sort of under cover secret agent job. Give me a break. We are not covert secret agents and the sooner you new guys firgure this out, the better you will be. We are just police on aircraft without the uniform. The one thing that gets me worked up is to have to work with a FAM who thinks he is a spy or secret agent. I am getting over board here so I better go.

[usmc1775]

Perhaps... Ill tempered police without uniforms.....

[Legend1bt]

Get a clue guys. If the number of postions is put out that the service may be looking to fill 1400 postions and it was so very TOP SECRET, dont you think they would of told us. Better yet, if it was TOP SECRET the service would not of told us. We are not even told what our numbers are as of today. Get a life guys. Give me some credit. For you guys who know me, I would never put out stuff that could get me fired or better yet, get a FAM killed. So relax. We are not the CIA or NSA. I can't stand it when some people think the FAM service is some sort of under cover secret agent job. Give me a break. We are not covert secret agents and the sooner you new guys firgure this out, the better you will be. We are just police on aircraft without the uniform. I am getting over board here so I better go.


Took the words out of my mouth Mr.INTHEAIRCOP. The current number of FAMS is classifed for obvious reasons. However, why would the number of applicants the service is attempting to fill be classifed? This does not give away the number of FAMS currently operating and in no way jeopardizes safety.

The one thing that gets me worked up is to have to work with a FAM who thinks he is a spy or secret agent..

This is just too funny, I laughed pretty hard at this statment. I guess this is a problem you deal with often?

We are just police on aircraft without the uniform.

I would have to disagree with this statement. The Air Marshals are the last line of defense in case of on actual terrorist attack. While your not really cops in my opinion either because cops are always putting there lifes on the line day in and day out dealing with dangerous persons, responding to domestics, fights, traffic accidents, making arrests, etc, etc... I view the Air Marshals as Federal Agents. This is not to take anything away from FAMS but anybody who was worked as a Police Officer I sure would agree.

[Legend1bt]

Perhaps... Ill tempered police without uniforms.....


Do they have Laser Beams attached to there Freaking heads?

[SinCity007]

Took the words out of my mouth Mr.INTHEAIRCOP. The current number of FAMS is classifed for obvious reasons. However, why would the number of applicants the service is attempting to fill be classifed? This does not give away the number of FAMS currently operating and in no way jeopardizes safety.



This is just too funny, I laughed pretty hard at this statment. I guess this is a problem you deal with often?



I would have to disagree with this statement. The Air Marshals are the last line of defense in case of on actual terrorist attack. While your not really cops in my opinion either because cops are always putting there lifes on the line day in and day out dealing with dangerous persons, responding to domestics, fights, traffic accidents, making arrests, etc, etc... I view the Air Marshals as Federal Agents. This is not to take anything away from FAMS but anybody who was worked as a Police Officer I sure would agree.
Legend1bt, are you a cop or in LE?? Your statement is typical of someone that has no clue. I have been a local cop, DC police for 8 years and a federal cop for 6 years and let me tell you. My life is in danger everyday, because I wear a uniform with POLICE on it. The law abiding citizen or the common day criminal doesn't care if your a fed or not. Trust me federal agents put their lives on the line everyday, just ask the agents that survived Waco, TX. Or how about those guys that protect any member of the United States Government that carry bounties of $25 million or more on their heads. As for the Air Marshals, just getting a plane that may or may not fall from the sky is stressful and dangerous enough.

Trust me when I tell you that answering 911 calls is very dangerous, in my 14 years I have been to 12 LE funerals (4 I knew personally) but also knowing that terrorist target my work location for their next hit is equally as dangerous.

my 2cents..for what it worth.

** just looked at your member name page.. 1 1/2 years? gee you just finished your probationary period. A DoD cop making that statement?? OUCH!

[george4]

FAMS are classified as FED LEO's but I dont think any of them, with few exceptions, would say they actually enforce laws on a regular basis. The nature of their job is very different than any job in LE. Working with 1-2 other people, no backup, and having to make split-second decisions that could affect the lives of 1-2 hundred other people is an awesome responsibility.

FAMS is becoming a stepping stone for people wanting to get their foot in the door of LE. It has been said many times but it obviously can not be said enough....FAMS are not police officers, and if someone goes into the job thinking they are going to arrest bad guys and kick in doors..do yourself and the FAMS a favor and do not take the job.

I am not a FAM but I have friends who are FAMS. I was hired as a FAM but declined the job. 4-5 flights a day with little prospect of much else was not for me. I decided to stay with my current job. Best of luck to all those in the process. Stay safe and thanks for protecting our country.

[thermop6]

InTheAir, bro, you've gotta relax. I wasn't indicting you on treason charges or anything. I HAVE seen in various news reports from FAMS brass that the number of new hires is classified and thats why I responded. You have been a great help here and I didn't mean to push your buttons - sorry.

By the way, FAMS are most definetely LEOs. They have arrest power to enforce Federal statutes, granted to them by the government. That makes them cops in my book - not how much they actually use those powers. I think this would be a rough job for any cop who hadn't gotten the "blue light crazies" out of them yet. Obviously if you want to kick down doors, this probably isn't for you. I've kicked in enough doors thanks - I think I'm ready to not have to walk into a meth lab or search through some skank's panty drawer looking for dirty needles..

Thanks for the job you do FAMs - keep it up.

[SinCity007]

I would agree..Federal Law Enforcement is not for everybody, Air Marshals or otherwise. But trust me when I tell you that their is so much more to LE that locking up the bad guys, kicking down doors, etc.. Most street cops wouldn't even know how to apply for a warrant to kick down a door. Thats why they have detectives, not every cop is investigator material. So my suggestion to those who seek Law enforcement in any capacity local or fed, do your research and make sure your heart is in it and that it is your calling. If you don't you won't last very long at all.

Real cops, don't watch "COPS"..why you ask? If you know and respect the 4th amendment, you'll know why...

[Rolla]

I just don't understand this, I'm a FAM and I don't get why people have to constantly bash us and make it a point that we aren't "Police Officers", just because we don't wear a uniform doesn't mean were aren't LEOs, I mean I have a badge, a gun, arrest powers, broadest jurisdiction, 6c covered retirement, need I go on?... Or maybe it's jealousy because we are the highest paid angecy or we get to travel all over the world. Sure the job can be boring, we don't hook up people everyday but we do our part the same as everyone else. A majority of FAMS are prior local, state, and FED LEOs, so they have been there and they've done that. You don't see us on here bashing your departments saying your from a small town so you mainly handle traffic and nothing else, or your a FED Officer and all you do is stand post. We are all officers in one way or another and we all put our lives on the line so why can't we all just play nice.

[SinCity007]

I just don't understand this, I'm a FAM and I don't get why people have to constantly bash us and make it a point that we aren't "Police Officers", just because we don't wear a uniform doesn't mean were aren't LEOs, I mean I have a badge, a gun, arrest powers, broadest jurisdiction, 6c covered retirement, need I go on?... Or maybe it's jealousy because we are the highest paid angecy or we get to travel all over the world. Sure the job can be boring, we don't hook up people everyday but we do our part the same as everyone else. A majority of FAMS are prior local, state, and FED LEOs, so they have been there and they've done that. You don't see us on here bashing your departments saying your from a small town so you mainly handle traffic and nothing else, or your a FED Officer and all you do is stand post. We are all officers in one way or another and we all put our lives on the line so why can't we all just play nice.
Okay, I'm with you up 'till the FED Officer "all you do is stand post comment". Two wrongs don't make a right. Not all Federal Officers (uniformed) stand post, brother. Hey isn't this board about FAM opportunities and info?? All this hating isn't necessary. Everybody's got a job right?? For those seeking careers, hating and judging will have you still looking for the job you wish you had..

[Rolla]

I meant nothing by it, I was just using it as an example, I don't bash anyone or any agency we are all in it together.

[Legend1bt]

Legend1bt, are you a cop or in LE?? Your statement is typical of someone that has no clue. I have been a local cop, DC police for 8 years and a federal cop for 6 years and let me tell you. My life is in danger everyday, because I wear a uniform with POLICE on it. The law abiding citizen or the common day criminal doesn't care if your a fed or not. Trust me federal agents put their lives on the line everyday, just ask the agents that survived Waco, TX. Or how about those guys that protect any member of the United States Government that carry bounties of $25 million or more on their heads. As for the Air Marshals, just getting a plane that may or may not fall from the sky is stressful and dangerous enough.

Trust me when I tell you that answering 911 calls is very dangerous, in my 14 years I have been to 12 LE funerals (4 I knew personally) but also knowing that terrorist target my work location for their next hit is equally as dangerous.

my 2cents..for what it worth.

** just looked at your member name page.. 1 1/2 years? gee you just finished your probationary period. A DoD cop making that statement?? OUCH!


Sincity I don’t think you understood what I was trying to say. First off I don’t appreciate you comments about my exp or lack there of. I’m a third generation Police Officer, have three college degrees in Criminal Justice, Law Enforcement, and Corrections, 8yrs Marine Corp (Veteran). Not that any of this is anything to brag about by any means, but I'll bet I do more in a day then you do in a month. Pentagon Police is what, parking lot patrol and access control? I’m not down playing your agency but lets be honest how many fights, domestics, chases, wanted people do you guys get?

Now as far as my comment about Air Marshals not being Cops I stand by it. Cops are responsible for policing the public and enforcing laws. Air Marshals are highly trained Federal Agents that are trained to kill someone in order to prevent another terrorist attack. This is not an insult by any means. But again lets be honest how many arrest do Air Marshals make? Generally they stay in covert status waiting for something to happen.

In regards to your comment about Federals Agents, of course I recognize they have a dangerous job. Many Federal Agents put their life on the line day in and day out. I personally work with several agencies to include, ICE Agents, U.S. Secret Service, FBI, and U.S. Marshals. I have worked extensively with these groups from serving federal warrants to investigating serious crimes.


As for the Air Marshals, just getting a plane that may or may not fall from the sky is stressful and dangerous enough.

Really, how many planes have crashed in the past 5yrs worldwide? I’m willing to bet not many.

As far as losing an officer this is something that I have only witnessed twice. It's a terrible thing losing another officer, and to this day I wear a bracelet in memory of all fallen law enforcements officers.

Basically Sincity my point is Law Enforcement is a dangerous job, but if you look at FBI Stats the Street Cops make up the VAST MAJORITY of officers killed in the line of duty...

One last thing, I generally try to respect everyone on this forum regardless of his or her opinions. Next time try not being such an ******* with that higher than thou type attitude. I’m not that impressed with your qualifications either...

[SinCity007]

Sincity I don’t think you understood what I was trying to say. First off I don’t appreciate you comments about my exp or lack there of. I’m a third generation Police Officer, have three college degrees in Criminal Justice, Law Enforcement, and Corrections, 8yrs Marine Corp (Veteran). Not that any of this is anything to brag about by any means, but I'll bet I do more in a day then you do in a month. Pentagon Police is what, parking lot patrol and access control? I’m not down playing your agency but lets be honest how many fights, domestics, chases, wanted people do you guys get?

Now as far as my comment about Air Marshals not being Cops I stand by it. Cops are responsible for policing the public and enforcing laws. Air Marshals are highly trained Federal Agents that are trained to kill someone in order to prevent another terrorist attack. This is not an insult by any means. But again lets be honest how many arrest do Air Marshals make? Generally they stay in covert status waiting for something to happen.

In regards to your comment about Federals Agents, of course I recognize they have a dangerous job. Many Federal Agents put their life on the line day in and day out. I personally work with several agencies to include, ICE Agents, U.S. Secret Service, FBI, and U.S. Marshals. I have worked extensively with these groups from serving federal warrants to investigating serious crimes.




Really, how many planes have crashed in the past 5yrs worldwide? I’m willing to bet not many.

As far as losing an officer this is something that I have only witnessed twice. It's a terrible thing losing another officer, and to this day I wear a bracelet in memory of all fallen law enforcements officers.

Basically Sincity my point is Law Enforcement is a dangerous job, but if you look at FBI Stats the Street Cops make up the VAST MAJORITY of officers killed in the line of duty...

One last thing, I generally try to respect everyone on this forum regardless of his or her opinions. Next time try not being such an ******* with that higher than thou type attitude. I’m not that impressed with your qualifications either...
Okay, kid wanna play hardball? First, your where in high school when I made my first arrest, I been a street cop, been there. Processed homicides, drug arrest, tesified in front of many grand juries, even seen young people take their last breath in front of my eyes. You have 3 college degrees and your still a DoD cop? thats it? Second I'm a supervisor and yes you do check more ID's at the gate than I do, We have way more actual law enforcement duties than you think here, my patrol officers (PPD has appx 650) enforce Federal Law/Virginia State traffic codes, make arrest every day, DUI, domestics, drugs, goto court etc. There have been shootings here, prosititution rings, not to meantion we give INS enough illegals they can stand. There are 30,000 people just at the Pentagon Building, buddy. Don't get me wrong, there are slow days, its not DC police or LAPD, but I'd bet its way more enforcement than were you are. Yea, you got me by two college degrees, but the fact is I do have more qualifications and experience than you, so I could care a less that your not impressed. I'm in my mid-30's and have enough in my retirement, TSP to retire in less than 6 years so don't even entertain yourself. Your previous comments were embarassing and your response even worse. When you get to a local PD and make more than base arrest then you come see me. I made more arrest my first two years as a DC cop than you'll ever make, if that makes me an A**, then okay (Name calling is for HS kids).

LESSON: Critisim is the first thing you must be able to deal with as a cop in any form, from your response the ghetto city kids would have your badge. As for respect, you showed a lack of maturity and respect for LE in general when you compared the dangers locals and Feds face. I've done both so I CAN speak honestly on the subject. I am not going to even entertain your "how many plane crashes in the last 5 years statement." The statements you made divide us, Just like some FAMs I too am tired of the comparisons, the job and duties are just different. It really doesn't matter. All that matters is that you go home everynight to your family, your happy with what you do and retire with peace.

Next time if you can't take the heat, especially when it's the truth...stay out of the kitchen. As far as I am concerned, you made your point and I made mine..done

[Legend1bt]

Okay, kid wanna play hardball? First, your where in high school when I made my first arrest, I been a street cop, been there. Processed homicides, drug arrest, tesified in front of many grand juries, even seen young people take their last breath in front of my eyes. You have 3 college degrees and your still a DoD cop? thats it? Second I'm a supervisor and yes you do check more ID's at the gate than I do, We have way more actual law enforcement duties than you think here, my patrol officers (PPD has appx 650) enforce Federal Law/Virginia State traffic codes, make arrest every day, DUI, domestics, drugs, goto court etc. There have been shootings here, prosititution rings, not to meantion we give INS enough illegals they can stand. There are 30,000 people just at the Pentagon Building, buddy. Don't get me wrong, there are slow days, its not DC police or LAPD, but I'd bet its way more enforcement than were you are. Yea, you got me by two college degrees, but the fact is I do have more qualifications and experience than you, so I could care a less that your not impressed. I'm in my mid-30's and have enough in my retirement, TSP to retire in less than 6 years so don't even entertain yourself. Your previous comments were embarassing and your response even worse. When you get to a local PD and make more than base arrest then you come see me. I made more arrest my first two years as a DC cop than you'll ever make, if that makes me an A**, then okay (Name calling is for HS kids).

LESSON: Critisim is the first thing you must be able to deal with as a cop in any form, from your response the ghetto city kids would have your badge. As for respect, you showed a lack of maturity and respect for LE in general when you compared the dangers locals and Feds face. I've done both so I CAN speak honestly on the subject. I am not going to even entertain your "how many plane crashes in the last 5 years statement." The statements you made divide us, Just like some FAMs I too am tired of the comparisons, the job and duties are just different. It really doesn't matter. All that matters is that you go home everynight to your family, your happy with what you do and retire with peace.

Next time if you can't take the heat, especially when it's the truth...stay out of the kitchen. As far as I am concerned, you made your point and I made mine..done

Ok Kid? First of all Im not a kid. I may not have your vast experience in law enforcement or be as old as you are but I too have seen my fair share of things. I also do DUI enforcement, arrest dangerous felonies (granted not a lot like other depts.), respond to domestics on almost a daily basis, testify in court, conduct search warrants, drug arrests, apprehend illegals and everything else most Police Officers do. I too enforce Federal Law, and State Law. As far as I’m concerned this isn't a ****ing contest.

In regards to the college degree let me say this, it doesn’t really matter that much. While it's an asset I'm not under the assumption that it makes me more qualified than the next guy who has worked the street or served this country by being a law enforcement officer. Experience is where it’s at and not in a textbook. I value my Marine Corp career more than college. I don’t know if you ever served in the military, or served in combat but that’s the exp. I value and rely on when it comes to serving as a law enforcement officer. I wish I had more exp. in law enforcement but we all have to start somewhere. As far as you comment about DOD, that it? This is just retarded. You obviously don’t know what your talking about b/c I have never checked any id's, we have security guards for that. Further more it’s a good job to gain exp, until I complete my hiring process with either DOE, or ICE.

In reference to the criticism response, its something I deal with every single day. You started this argument by your lack of tact and as I stated previously your attitude problem. I simply stated an opinion that I believe I reinforced with facts. You could have simply addressed whatever the issues were in a professional manner like most people do. However, you had to start off insulting me and then getting mad when I responded. This only further leads me to believe you either have a huge ego or social skill issues. It’s says you’re a SGT and I’m sure you have police officers under you. I wonder if you talk down to your officers as well? I have seen your type many times and nothing anyone says matters b/c your always right. I can take criticism because it’s the only way one can improve on their faults. However, who are you to critique me? I would have respected you if you had gone about this in a different manner but no point in beating a dead horse.

And your comment about hardball is funny.

And if you cant see there are differences in Federal LE, and Local LE then you are just ignoring the facts. Again I refer you to the check the Officer Down listing and/or FBI Stats. This again is not to take away from the FEDS. They to have a dangerous job and they have my respect, well all but one. However if you cant see the obvious dangers that these street soldiers as I like to call them encounter then your just ignoring the obvious.

One more thing do you ever watch cops the show? How many federal agents or air marshals do you see on there? Personally I have only seen local and state agenices.. But maybe I missed an episode or two.

As far as Im concerned this matter is closed. We made our points and maybe we can use this forum for its orginal purpose which is to convey information releated to FAMS.

[jrnwaarmy]

thanks so much intheaircop, i really appreciate your help giving us the first hand info about the job, i know that your intention is to help new applicant to get the job.(FAM) I'm almost there just waiting for the call!!looking forward to buy you a drink and donut once i get on board!!!!!And to all thanks for all the info., expertise and qualification of your self that you guys put up.

[datfas]

Ok this thread has turned into a delphi thread. Can you guys please take your little squabble to PMs, since we do not want to read about this. I am here to find out info on the FAM position, not what or who is better. Where is the moderator??

Back to FAMs...I hear that the 2007 appropriations bill was sent to the President yesterday, so we will find out more info soon, I hope.

[jrnwaarmy]

Ok this thread has turned into a delphi thread. Can you guys please take your little squabble to PMs, since we do not want to read about this. I am here to find out info on the FAM position, not what or who is better. Where is the moderator??

Back to FAMs...I hear that the 2007 appropriations bill was sent to the President yesterday, so we will find out more info soon, I hope.
Thank you!!! at last somebody is helping out!!!thanks sir...

[GoldBadge]

Get a clue guys. If the number of postions is put out that the service may be looking to fill 1400 postions and it was so very TOP SECRET, dont you think they would of told us. Better yet, if it was TOP SECRET the service would not of told us. We are not even told what our numbers are as of today. Get a life guys. Give me some credit. For you guys who know me, I would never put out stuff that could get me fired or better yet, get a FAM killed. So relax. We are not the CIA or NSA. I can't stand it when some people think the FAM service is some sort of under cover secret agent job. Give me a break. We are not covert secret agents and the sooner you new guys firgure this out, the better you will be. We are just police on aircraft without the uniform. The one thing that gets me worked up is to have to work with a FAM who thinks he is a spy or secret agent. I am getting over board here so I better go.

I have a clue - a very good one. I "have a life" and I'm no "new guy to FLE." I also happen to work with a former FAM manager so I know what I'm talking about. The number of FAMs is classified. I don't know if its "confidential," "secret'" or "top secret," but classified nonetheless. In light of that, why would you want to publicize how many FAMs will be hired this year? Do you want a pat on the back from board members? Well I guess you've got one. In no other public place have I seen any number for FAM staffing. What are you going to do next, tell how many FAM(s) are generally assigned to a flight or to the various field offices?

As far as a secret agency, no, FAMs are not like the CIA or the NSA, but more like undercover cops. The FAMS is an agency that relies on their FAMs operating covertly on aircraft. If you're a FAM and you're "made," then some bad guy can thrust a pen in your neck and your done.

If someone else is able to figure out your staffing levels and which passengers on a flight are FAMs, then you have an serious OPSEC problem. But why advertise it?

[SinCity007]

Ok this thread has turned into a delphi thread. Can you guys please take your little squabble to PMs, since we do not want to read about this. I am here to find out info on the FAM position, not what or who is better. Where is the moderator??

Back to FAMs...I hear that the 2007 appropriations bill was sent to the President yesterday, so we will find out more info soon, I hope.
I apologize fellas, the young buck tapped a nerve...done

[thermop6]

Ok this thread has turned into a delphi thread. Can you guys please take your little squabble to PMs, since we do not want to read about this. I am here to find out info on the FAM position, not what or who is better. Where is the moderator??

Back to FAMs...I hear that the 2007 appropriations bill was sent to the President yesterday, so we will find out more info soon, I hope.

Where did you see this? That's great! Remember a few years ago when the Feds SHUT DOWN beause they couldn't agree on a budget.. With all that has happened throughout this process, I thought for sure that this would happen again..

[datfas]

H.R.5441
Title: Making appropriations for the Department of Homeland Security for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2007, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Rep Rogers, Harold [KY-5] (introduced 5/22/2006) Cosponsors (None)
Related Bills: H.RES.836, H.RES.1054, H.R.5814
Latest Major Action: 10/3/2006 Presented to President.
House Reports: 109-476; Senate Reports: 109-273; Latest Conference Report: 109-699 (in Congressional Record H7784-7848)
Note: Senate Appropriations Committee press release and House Appropriations Committee press release on the conference report. The House Rules Committee has posted the conference report [pdf].
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MAJOR ACTIONS: .
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MAJOR ACTIONS:
5/22/2006 Introduced/originated in House

5/22/2006 The House Committee on Appropriations reported an original measure, H. Rept. 109-476, by Mr. Rogers (KY).

6/6/2006 Passed/agreed to in House: On passage Passed by the Yeas and Nays: 389 - 9 (Roll no. 226).

6/29/2006 Committee on Appropriations. Reported by Senator Gregg with an amendment in the nature of a substitute. With written report No. 109-273.

7/13/2006 Passed/agreed to in Senate: Passed Senate with an amendment by Yea-Nay Vote. 100 - 0. Record Vote Number: 203.

9/28/2006 Conference report H. Rept. 109-699 filed.

9/29/2006 Conference report agreed to in House: On agreeing to the conference report Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: 412 - 6 (Roll no. 509).

9/29/2006 Conference report agreed to in Senate: Senate agreed to conference report by Voice Vote.

10/3/2006 Presented to President.

Copy of bill section relating to FAMs
FEDERAL AIR MARSHALS
For necessary expenses of the Federal Air Marshals, $714,294,000.

FEDERAL AIR MARSHALS
The conferees agree to provide $714,294,000 for the Federal Air Marshals (FAMs) instead of $699,294,000 as proposed by the House and the Senate. Within this total, $628,494,000 is for management and administration and
$85,800,000 is for travel and training.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

Sorry guys for starting a huge fight here.

[thermop6]

H.R.5441
Title: Making appropriations for the Department of Homeland Security for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2007, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Rep Rogers, Harold [KY-5] (introduced 5/22/2006) Cosponsors (None)
Related Bills: H.RES.836, H.RES.1054, H.R.5814
Latest Major Action: 10/3/2006 Presented to President.
House Reports: 109-476; Senate Reports: 109-273; Latest Conference Report: 109-699 (in Congressional Record H7784-7848)
Note: Senate Appropriations Committee press release and House Appropriations Committee press release on the conference report. The House Rules Committee has posted the conference report [pdf].
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MAJOR ACTIONS: .
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MAJOR ACTIONS:
5/22/2006 Introduced/originated in House

5/22/2006 The House Committee on Appropriations reported an original measure, H. Rept. 109-476, by Mr. Rogers (KY).

6/6/2006 Passed/agreed to in House: On passage Passed by the Yeas and Nays: 389 - 9 (Roll no. 226).

6/29/2006 Committee on Appropriations. Reported by Senator Gregg with an amendment in the nature of a substitute. With written report No. 109-273.

7/13/2006 Passed/agreed to in Senate: Passed Senate with an amendment by Yea-Nay Vote. 100 - 0. Record Vote Number: 203.

9/28/2006 Conference report H. Rept. 109-699 filed.

9/29/2006 Conference report agreed to in House: On agreeing to the conference report Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: 412 - 6 (Roll no. 509).

9/29/2006 Conference report agreed to in Senate: Senate agreed to conference report by Voice Vote.

10/3/2006 Presented to President.

Copy of bill section relating to FAMs
FEDERAL AIR MARSHALS
For necessary expenses of the Federal Air Marshals, $714,294,000.

FEDERAL AIR MARSHALS
The conferees agree to provide $714,294,000 for the Federal Air Marshals (FAMs) instead of $699,294,000 as proposed by the House and the Senate. Within this total, $628,494,000 is for management and administration and
$85,800,000 is for travel and training.

In this political environment I can't believe that this went through so easily..

[datfas]

In this political environment I can't believe that this went through so easily..


It hasn't been signed by the President yet? Fingers crossed!

[PPDMO373]

I have a clue - a very good one. I "have a life" and I'm no "new guy to FLE." I also happen to work with a former FAM manager so I know what I'm talking about. The number of FAMs is classified. I don't know if its "confidential," "secret'" or "top secret," but classified nonetheless. In light of that, why would you want to publicize how many FAMs will be hired this year?

I saw the same numbers in a Washington Post story a couple of weeks ago......but I can't find the story on their site to post it........

They story wouldn't confirm how many FAMs were active now.....but did toss out the number of how many they were looking to hire.

[Ammo22]

Since the budget appears to be good pending the President signs it does this mean that hiring may begin again sooner that next year?

[PPDMO373]

Since the budget appears to be good pending the President signs it does this mean that hiring may begin again sooner that next year?

They are hiring now. Announcement is on usajobs under 1801 series.

And from reading on other boards, folks are being picked up as we speak for the NYC and DC FO's.

[jrnwaarmy]

They are hiring now. Announcement is on usajobs under 1801 series.

And from reading on other boards, folks are being picked up as we speak for the NYC and DC FO's.


Do you know the start date of those who got pick?(from the other forum info)thanks

[Tower]

Do you know the start date of those who got pick?(from the other forum info)thanks

They were fellas hired before the end of the fiscal year. Last one I saw had a start date of Nov 27th in NY.

[PPDMO373]

Do you know the start date of those who got pick?(from the other forum info)thanks

With the last 2-3 weeks folks have started in DC and NYC FO's.......

[Tower]

With the last 2-3 weeks folks have started in DC and NYC FO's.......

That was your triple six post dude!

[datfas]

In this political environment I can't believe that this went through so easily..

H.R.5441
Title: Making appropriations for the Department of Homeland Security for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2007, and for other purposes.

10/4/2006 Signed by President :)

[MassVet]

well lets all hope the rumor mill doesnt hold up and that hiring will resume, i finished the process 2 weeks ago with my psych interview

[PPDMO373]

One of our uniformed guards just got picked up for NYC. He reports in a couple of weeks....

[MassVet]

Nice!

tell him congrats, when you say just, do you mean today?

[PPDMO373]

Nice!

tell him congrats, when you say just, do you mean today?


I just found out today (yesterday actually). Not sure when he found out....as I haven't seen him (was busy as hell at work today)......

[gonefishin]

As mentioned above, the number of FAMs is classified. That's a fact that you have to live with, whether you agree with it or not. If the number of FAMs is classified, then it stands to reason that the number of FAMs to be hired during a particular year should not be publicized (at the very least).

I don't recall anything else about the FAM hiring process remotely considered as being classified.


Well....enough of this classified, OPSEC, super top secret stuff....The number of FAM's is actually just 1....there is only 1 FAM...He is 6' 9" and weighs 360 lbs and has multiple personalities as evidenced on this forum. Drepol, Big Sexy, INTHEAIRCOP etc are all the same person....just different personalities of the one FAM....its the number of personalities that the one FAM has that is classified.....not the number of actual FAMs (which is 1 as I mentioned earlier). The hiring push is only looking to hire one person so the one FAM won't be lonely...persons without multiple personalities need not apply!

[GoldBadge]

Well....enough of this classified, OPSEC, super top secret stuff....The number of FAM's is actually just 1....there is only 1 FAM...He is 6' 9" and weighs 360 lbs and has multiple personalities as evidenced on this forum. Drepol, Big Sexy, INTHEAIRCOP etc are all the same person....just different personalities of the one FAM....its the number of personalities that the one FAM has that is classified.....not the number of actual FAMs (which is 1 as I mentioned earlier). The hiring push is only looking to hire one person so the one FAM won't be lonely...persons without multiple personalities need not apply!

Been drinking some beer while you were fishing?

[AV8TOR]

I got a call to schedule my psych interview and PTA. Both of the calls came on the same day. I guess they are still trying to finish people who are near the end.

AV

[Tower]

If anyone has a number for the HRO could you please PM it to me. I need to give them my new address and phone number.

[kw111]

I got an email requesting I complete the Mental Health Certificate yesterday... again. So I did- the email said that was all that was holding up my medical file from being cleared. Maybe now I can get that PTA scheduled.

[gonefishin]

Been drinking some beer while you were fishing?


Wouldn't be fishing if I wasn't....would it.... :p

[0351]

Well....enough of this classified, OPSEC, super top secret stuff....The number of FAM's is actually just 1....there is only 1 FAM...He is 6' 9" and weighs 360 lbs and has multiple personalities as evidenced on this forum. Drepol, Big Sexy, INTHEAIRCOP etc are all the same person....just different personalities of the one FAM....its the number of personalities that the one FAM has that is classified.....not the number of actual FAMs (which is 1 as I mentioned earlier). The hiring push is only looking to hire one person so the one FAM won't be lonely...persons without multiple personalities need not apply!
His/my/our real name is Bill Brasky.

[datfas]

His/my/our real name is Bill Brasky.

Wait a minute my name is Bill Brasky! :D

"Did I ever tell you about the time I went hunting? I decide to hunt down all four of the Banana Splits. I stalked and killed every one of them with a machette. They all begged for their lives...except Fleagle."

[Ammo22]

Well....enough of this classified, OPSEC, super top secret stuff....The number of FAM's is actually just 1....there is only 1 FAM...He is 6' 9" and weighs 360 lbs and has multiple personalities as evidenced on this forum. Drepol, Big Sexy, INTHEAIRCOP etc are all the same person....just different personalities of the one FAM....its the number of personalities that the one FAM has that is classified.....not the number of actual FAMs (which is 1 as I mentioned earlier). The hiring push is only looking to hire one person so the one FAM won't be lonely...persons without multiple personalities need not apply!

Does that mean we have to have one psych eval for every personalty?

[drepol]

I know Bill Brasky!!!

[Dirt]

Is there anyone here that will Start mid Nov. in NY?

[Tower]

Is there anyone here that will Start mid Nov. in NY?

I don't know if anyone is on this forum. There is a few on other forums that have dates of the 27th and 29th of Nov. Do you start at NY in Mid Nov?

[kw111]

I spoke with FAMS Medical today and they said that anyone who took the pen and paper 700question psych test (I believe they quit giving it as of 7/21/06) has to be interviewed by a psychologist. The written pysch portion is no longer part of the process unless you raise flags, but for those who began it with the test, have to finish it with the appointment. For those who've had the appt., who contacted you to schedule it? AVUE or FAMS?

[City Poe Poe]

I just got off the phone with a friend who works out of the Philadelphia office. He said there is a ton of attrition, poor management, terrible hours, etc. He didn't recommend it for married people(due to the travel), however he did advise me to go through the process to get a feel for it. He also stated that there is always the possibility of trabsferring to another fed agency once your on (he started in border patrol). So just an FYI for everyone out there.....I'm applying.

Three of the five Officers that left our department to be a FAM came back. BigDaddy hit all the complaints they had. With the exception of one, he is financially unable to come back, or he would.

[thermop6]

I spoke with FAMS Medical today and they said that anyone who took the pen and paper 700question psych test (I believe they quit giving it as of 7/21/06) has to be interviewed by a psychologist. The written pysch portion is no longer part of the process unless you raise flags, but for those who began it with the test, have to finish it with the appointment. For those who've had the appt., who contacted you to schedule it? AVUE or FAMS?
When I took it, Avue contacted me to schedule..

[MassVet]

FAMS medical will call you for the psych appointment