Air Marshal Job Open !

[MassVet]

yeah, hes right, also avue has posted a flow chart that maps out the hiring process,

[Love_Ulcer]

Took my psych test a month before getting hired and still had to do re-cert. Another guy that got hired in my pta group did not get the e-mail and got hired. I would not give up on the August class just yet. The last hiring group calls went out with less than a week notice. It seems no matter how much LE experience or military you have if you don't have college degree it seems they send BQA letter. Just my observation and not intel.

gah, less than a week? hell, i'll still go when they call me, but dang! it's a good thing i'm a student and not employed right now!!

[igneous]

gah, less than a week? hell, i'll still go when they call me, but dang! it's a good thing i'm a student and not employed right now!!
Yeah, that would be a rough drive from CA to NY or DC. I've done that drive in about three days, but its still a lot of driving.

[kmontalto]

I just called about my medical appointment. They're gonna call me back and mail me something to confirm a day and time. I hope my fitness assesment isn't gonna be after the physical. I don't know, getting blood drawn might affect my performance. I already did my panel, psych, and drug test. Does this mean the Background Investigation is going on right now?

how far out did they make your medical appointment?

[MassVet]

they said they would email or call me with an appointment, they also said a mass email went out to all candidates so the lines are stuffed with us goombas calling to make appointments. I remain optimistic.

[MarcDominic]

Did you do your psych oral interview? If not this will be the next step after your Medical is cleared.

No I didn't, just the written psych test. My fault, I didn't know there was a difference.

[MarcDominic]

how far out did they make your medical appointment?

I just called today, they didn't set a date. They said they'd to get back to me with a confirmation.

Landsdowne ehh? I think I may have talked to you at the panel interview in Mays Landing about a month ago. You went to St. Joe's, right?

[Bollix]

Just got back from medical/physical..so far so good. Interviewer stated that there is no more written psych just an oral psych with a local psychologist and that they are still sending out offers for the Aug. class. Also one of the Fams that was there said that there is a second class in early September right after the Aug class.

Hope this helps..... gl all.........

PS after the PAT the SAC came into the conference room and spoke individually with all the applicants. He asked everyone specifically if they had LE experience.

[igneous]

they are still sending out offers for the Aug. class. Also one of the Fams that was there said that there is a second class in early September right after the Aug class.
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God I hope you're right about the august class. I might be out tomorrow, but I'll be calling and checking my machine all day...I couldn't be more anxious.

[usmc1775]

I checked my credit last night, and it was screened by UCS two months ago. That would have been just before my pannel interview. I'm knocking out the Psych tomorrow. That will only leave the PRA. Progress is good.

[SD5326]

Hey everyone, things are going great these days! Just a word to the wise as this hiring push ramps up for you all. DO NOT neglect your personal life whether it's bills, rent, where your going to live in the the area, or just whatever. Long story short........ make sure you have your ducks in a row prior to departing on your journey. Because once you get hired there's not alot of time to take care of the loose ends you were procrastinating on things move at 150mph+, once you get hired. Just keep hanging on, I know....it's tough but it's worth it! Take Care!

SD

[igneous]

Hey everyone, things are going great these days! Just a word to the wise as this hiring push ramps up for you all. DO NOT neglect your personal life whether it's bills, rent, where your going to live in the the area, or just whatever. Long story short........ make sure you have your ducks in a row prior to departing on your journey. Because once you get hired there's not alot of time to take care of the loose ends you were procrastinating on things move at 150mph+, once you get hired. Just keep hanging on, I know....it's tough but it's worth it! Take Care!

SD
Definitely important, especially moving to places like NYC or DC, two very expensive places to live. Hopefully many of us will be working at the same FO soon!

[SD5326]

Hopefully many of us will be working at the same FO soon!


Dude,

I can't wait till you get hired....No Doubt!

[Dlbomber1]

:( :mad: Never thought id be in this situation... Well I applied back in OCT 05 and of course like many never heard a thing back except for automation. In June I got promoted to a top level position in my company and paying pretty good. Today they asked me if I was considering a Federal position and I told them the situation. They said they wanted to make sure I was going to be there for the longrun if they made that kind of investment. So my dilemna is as soon as I got home I had fingerprint cards AND an email from Avue about my freakin medical exam appointment. Go FIGURE. Now im kinda on the ropes here .........Any suggestions??

[MarcDominic]

:( :mad: Never thought id be in this situation... Well I applied back in OCT 05 and of course like many never heard a thing back except for automation. In June I got promoted to a top level position in my company and paying pretty good. Today they asked me if I was considering a Federal position and I told them the situation. They said they wanted to make sure I was going to be there for the longrun if they made that kind of investment. So my dilemna is as soon as I got home I had fingerprint cards AND an email from Avue about my freakin medical exam appointment. Go FIGURE. Now im kinda on the ropes here .........Any suggestions??

In my humble opinion, I think you should just tell your company you're going to be there for the longrun, and go on with the application. You can't count your eggs before they hatch and think that you'll get hired in the FAMS, that is way too risky. You gotta apply to the FAMS and go on with life as if nothing happened. I know telling your company the truth may be the honorable thing to do, but they have no loyalty to you. They can lay you off tomorrow. What's the worst thing that can happen if you quit to become an air marshal, **** them off? They can't sue you, right? Plus you'd be leaving this company to basically serve your country, how could they get ****ed at that?

I was in a similar situation you're in back in May. The postal service wanted to hire me for a good position but it was only temporary (3 months). I told them I had just graduated college and am looking for a job I went to school for. I told them that I didn't want to dick them over by only working a few weeks and then get a job offer and have to quit. I did the honorable thing and didn't take the job. Well it's 3 months later and never got a job offer in my field of study, my time with the USPS woulda been over and I'd have some money in my pocket. Now I'm broke as a joke.

[Dlbomber1]

Thanks guy thats a great example! And thats what plays out in my mind and its horrid lol. But ya I will still go on and continue my pursuit. I dont want either NY nor Washington but by the time I get in maybe they will change who knows. Thanks again. Ya I think you are correct.

[igneous]

Thanks guy thats a great example! And thats what plays out in my mind and its horrid lol. But ya I will still go on and continue my pursuit. I dont want either NY nor Washington but by the time I get in maybe they will change who knows. Thanks again. Ya I think you are correct.
I wouldn't count on the NY or DC thing changing anytime soon, as I think there a lot of FAMS out there that really want transfers. Especially those in ny and dc. That being said I will gladly move to either of those cities for the job. :D

[MarcDominic]

I wouldn't count on the NY or DC thing changing anytime soon, as I think there a lot of FAMS out there that really want transfers. Especially those in ny and dc. That being said I will gladly move to either of those cities for the job. :D

Me too, I need a new atmosphere. Been in Philly all 23 years of my life with minimal travel. I'd love to go to NYC, all my friends from school live up there. DC would be cool too I guess.

[kmontalto]

I just called today, they didn't set a date. They said they'd to get back to me with a confirmation.

Landsdowne ehh? I think I may have talked to you at the panel interview in Mays Landing about a month ago. You went to St. Joe's, right?

yep, tha'ts me...'nova right?

[Dlbomber1]

Ok heres the latest maybe it will help for some of you now. I have been put on the spot and its not the norm. I got the call TODAY !! HOW?! Dont ask me I hadnt even got my medical done yet. Nor PT nor anything. Basically He mentioned if I was still interested and would I be able to report to one of the two locations. I told him my situation and told him that I couldnt see myself holding a position up that one of you motivated canidates would love to be in. I told him where I just got promoted to was a big oppurtunity to gain more experience and also was helping me financially. He said that he thanked me for my honesty and loyalty to the other applicants. He asked me if I could withdraw my application that way another canidate could be processed through. So...... Stick by your phones. Seems that they have a pattern now that ive followed. Ive seen the guys who applied from july-Oct 05 get processed in order now. No more jumping around. Yet thats just a theory. Overall anyone could be next depends on ur qualifications. Im somewhat saddened due to me always wanting to be a federal Agent yet this was not my calling at this time. But in time maybe Ill be on another forum in the future. Hope you guys do good and wish you guys luck. I am withdrawing my app as needed. Semper Fi.

[Patrio72]

"I got the call TODAY !! HOW?! Dont ask me I hadnt even got my medical done yet. Nor PT nor anything. "

1) What steps of the process have you completed?
2) What is your background?
3) What FO contacted you

Has anyone else who has Not completed the process had an offer extended to them?

Patriot72

[SD5326]

"I got the call TODAY !! HOW?! Dont ask me I hadnt even got my medical done yet. Nor PT nor anything. "

1) What steps of the process have you completed?
2) What is your background?
3) What FO contacted you

Has anyone else who has Not completed the process had an offer extended to them?

Patriot72

Patriot,

Just go with what they tell you to do in the process, you shouldn't get into comparing yourself with others and where they are/were in the process. I can tell you that you WILL NOT be able to game the background (experience they are looking for) thing. The pool is SO DIVERSE there is no way to tell who is going to get hired and who is not. You're better off rolling with the punches and doing whatever they tell YOU to do. No FO will contact you for the offer, it will be HR. Hang in there brother!

SD

[igneous]

Ok heres the latest maybe it will help for some of you now. I have been put on the spot and its not the norm. I got the call TODAY !! HOW?! Dont ask me I hadnt even got my medical done yet. Nor PT nor anything. Basically He mentioned if I was still interested and would I be able to report to one of the two locations. I told him my situation and told him that I couldnt see myself holding a position up that one of you motivated canidates would love to be in. I told him where I just got promoted to was a big oppurtunity to gain more experience and also was helping me financially. He said that he thanked me for my honesty and loyalty to the other applicants. He asked me if I could withdraw my application that way another canidate could be processed through. So...... Stick by your phones. Seems that they have a pattern now that ive followed. Ive seen the guys who applied from july-Oct 05 get processed in order now. No more jumping around. Yet thats just a theory. Overall anyone could be next depends on ur qualifications. Im somewhat saddened due to me always wanting to be a federal Agent yet this was not my calling at this time. But in time maybe Ill be on another forum in the future. Hope you guys do good and wish you guys luck. I am withdrawing my app as needed. Semper Fi.
Wow, that doesn't even make sense. Still waiting here :(

[Bollix]

SD

is the offer negotiable or is it set in stone???

[Dlbomber1]

Ya they are right roll with the punches you never know what to expect in this process. I got nowhere in the process thats whats wierd. I got everything dropped on me all at once. Within three days they wanted me to complete my med,fingerprints,interview etc.... And before I did all that I got a call asking if i was still interested and if so when could you be ready to report. Maybe its a sign of whats to come , maybe they will start running through the process way fast like that I dont know if my experience had anything to do with it. No idea. I just am still a bit saddened that I was withdrawing.

[usmc1775]

Finished Psych eval yesterday. I now understand why some have been mentioning an oral psych in addition to the written. In one city, the Dr. that handles the evals does it at her office. The exams are given via paper, and computer. At the conclusion the examinee spends about an hour debriefing thier results.

The eval I did yesterday was conducted in the FAMS office, and will be submitted to a local Psych for scoring. Then we will be called in for the 1 hour debrief.


I heard the same class number and size rumors that have been mentioned prior.



Thus the quest continues....

[MarcDominic]

yep, tha'ts me...'nova right?

Yep...So did you hear back about getting your medical done too?

[thermop6]

Has anyone been hired that does not have a bachelor's?

[Love_Ulcer]

igneous, you suppose we'll get a call this week? that july date is crawling awfully fast. :D

[igneous]

igneous, you suppose we'll get a call this week? that july date is crawling awfully fast. :D
Who knows, I've pretty much lost hope on making the august class. I just want to hear something at this point, so I can either move on, or get hired :)

[Rolla]

Has anyone been hired that does not have a bachelor's?


i was hired a long time ago without mine

[MassVet]

im calling again today about my medical, they use QTC, which is the same outfit that the VA uses to make appointments for disability comensation exams. They are slow and unorganized, so now that i have their number im calling.

[intheair]

Igs-
A few months back I was in your same boat. I was told after my pta that things looked awesome and I should expect a call that night. Well the only call I got was at 90 days to say my exam was up and pushed to 120 days and that I would get a call soon. Well nothing still. I know how it is to hear the phone ring and think its the call. Just warning you dont expect it like others say =dont put your life on hold for them go on like you never applied. Goodluck

[igneous]

Igs-
A few months back I was in your same boat. I was told after my pta that things looked awesome and I should expect a call that night. Well the only call I got was at 90 days to say my exam was up and pushed to 120 days and that I would get a call soon. Well nothing still. I know how it is to hear the phone ring and think its the call. Just warning you dont expect it like others say =dont put your life on hold for them go on like you never applied. Goodluck
I know, its making it tougher being unemployed at the moment and waiting for the call.

I read something weird on the 911 forums. Someone posted this:
"I found out that the WFO is having a "hiring blitz" at a hotel. Interview, psych, PT test, and offer all in the same day. They also may be doing the interim clearance thing."
Kind of vague, since they didn't post any details. I've never heard of them doing this, kind of unfair to all of us who have been in the hiring process for 8 months to do all of that, but I guess it means they really want applicants fast. I'm still not even sure how true it is.

[MassVet]

nonsense, also QTC told me this morning that they are looking to schedule medicals towards the END OF JULY , because they sent out 2000 emails to people, thats good logistics, lets send out 2000 emails to schedule medical exams!!!! i was pretty agitated and she could tell, but she said we would get a call as soon as we are ready to make the medical appointment.

[manstown]

I know, its making it tougher being unemployed at the moment and waiting for the call.

I read something weird on the 911 forums. Someone posted this:
"I found out that the WFO is having a "hiring blitz" at a hotel. Interview, psych, PT test, and offer all in the same day. They also may be doing the interim clearance thing."
Kind of vague, since they didn't post any details. I've never heard of them doing this, kind of unfair to all of us who have been in the hiring process for 8 months to do all of that, but I guess it means they really want applicants fast. I'm still not even sure how true it is.

It is true. This is what they are now doing. But you have to realize that eventhough they are hiring a good amount of people there are a good amount of people at the same point in the process as you. They can't just hire people because they are done the process. Believe it or not this is a pretty important job. And they need to make sure they're hiring the right people. Not to say you're not getting it, but you have to understand that when you finish all the steps to any FLEO process that doesn't guarantee the job. It takes time. You'll be fine. And when you get the call, you'll realize you worried for nothing. Good Luck.

[manstown]

nonsense, also QTC told me this morning that they are looking to schedule medicals towards the END OF JULY , because they sent out 2000 emails to people, thats good logistics, lets send out 2000 emails to schedule medical exams!!!! i was pretty agitated and she could tell, but she said we would get a call as soon as we are ready to make the medical appointment.

MassVet,

Hang in there Bro. There are quite a bit more then 2000 people in the process. I can tell you that they are hiring alot of people. You may want it to move faster, but this is how the Government works. Especially when there's a mass hiring like this.

[igneous]

It is true. This is what they are now doing. But you have to realize that eventhough they are hiring a good amount of people there are a good amount of people at the same point in the process as you. They can't just hire people because they are done the process. Believe it or not this is a pretty important job. And they need to make sure they're hiring the right people. Not to say you're not getting it, but you have to understand that when you finish all the steps to any FLEO process that doesn't guarantee the job. It takes time. You'll be fine. And when you get the call, you'll realize you worried for nothing. Good Luck.
I'm definitely happy that I'm ahead of all of the people that are in the middle of the process right now. I assume that there has been a ton of people applying lately, and they are pretty backed up in HR.

[manstown]

Just hold on a little longer.

[MassVet]

**Enters holding pattern**

[SD5326]

SD

is the offer negotiable or is it set in stone???


Sorry it took awhile to get back on this. These days, I don't think it would be wise to ask for more money if they call you with an offer....... considering the amount of applicants that are available and in the holding pattern. Can you imagine getting the call and then the person on the other line saying "let me get back to you on that one" and then never hearing anything ever again. Then again, if you think you're getting shortchanged on the offer and are willing to take that risk, pull the trigger. Hope that helped! Take care!

SD

[manstown]

I'm not saying that it is wise, but 2 buddies of mine that were just hired negotiated. Both got more then they were first offered. But unless you have some time in FLE, I would agree with the above statement and take what you are offered. With LEAP and locality it is still a good bit of cash. It's a generous salary to start out.

[datfas]

This was also posted on another site. "Just got a call from the DC field office telling me to pack a suit and PT gear and be at the Dulles Hyatt on the 28th. Apparently they are conducting a one day everything process."

[MarcDominic]

I'm not saying that it is wise, but 2 buddies of mine that were just hired negotiated. Both got more then they were first offered. But unless you have some time in FLE, I would agree with the above statement and take what you are offered. With LEAP and locality it is still a good bit of cash. It's a generous salary to start out.

What exactly is the salary for DC and NYC?

[igneous]

What exactly is the salary for DC and NYC?
I got this from a FAM on the real-police forums:
So take your base pay......add locality (22.97% for NY & 17.5% for DC)...then add 25% for LEAP.

NY Base $36,400: $36,400 + $8361 = $44,761 + 11,190 = $55,951
DC Base $36,400: $36,400 + $6370 = $42,770 + 10,692 = $53,462
or
NY Base:$56,400: $56,400 + 12955 = $69355 +17338 = $86,693
DC Base:$56,400: $56,400 + 9870 = $66270 + 16567 = $82,837

Then add in your holiday pay and your night diff (10%) and Sunday Pay (10%). After that...add in your per diem money. For most of the US, evey day your away, you get about $48 tax free. And your mileage is paid on all overnighst to/fom the airport. So an overnight is worth about $96 plus mileage...all tax free!!! Plus, in some cases, mileage to/from the airport for regualr days are paid, depending where you live and distance to the airport compared to distance to the office, etc...

Then you get 8% after 12 month on your base.....if you don't get in trouble.
And another 8% after 24 months on yoru base.....if you don't get in trouble.

And off course...the yearly January raise Congress votes itself. That increases your base pay and locality. It is minor (2-3%), but when your base goes up 2%...you locality increases a little and your LEAP increases!!! All means more money!

[MarcDominic]

I got this from a FAM on the real-police forums:
So take your base pay......add locality (22.97% for NY & 17.5% for DC)...then add 25% for LEAP.

NY Base $36,400: $36,400 + $8361 = $44,761 + 11,190 = $55,951
DC Base $36,400: $36,400 + $6370 = $42,770 + 10,692 = $53,462


Holy smokes...Mid 50s :D ...I'm only 23

[0351]

Holy smokes...Mid 50s :D ...I'm only 23
Yeah but keep in mind that the cost of living index is much higher in New York than it is for Phillie. I live very comfortably (when I'm here), but I have roommates and no wife/kids.

[igneous]

Yeah but keep in mind that the cost of living index is much higher in New York than it is for Phillie. I live very comfortably (when I'm here), but I have roommates and no wife/kids.
Yup. 1 bedroom apartments on LI cost atleast $1k a month :(

[MarcDominic]

Yeah but keep in mind that the cost of living index is much higher in New York than it is for Phillie. I live very comfortably (when I'm here), but I have roommates and no wife/kids.

Yeah, I'm pretty aware of that, most of my friends from college live in the NYC area. I've got friends in every borough and also in LI, Hoboken, and Jersey City, so I know how crazy the rent is. I just wasn't expecting the starting salary to be 55K. I mean, that's probably a little more than what I'd get up there if I got an entry level IT job(what I got my degree in).

Unless you live downtown, the rents here in Philly are great. I was payin $350 a month for a 4 bedroom house with my 3 friends in the yuppy part of Philly. :D

[MFapp2]

Hey I have my physical exam on monday and I have read that QTC sends out packages with information. Do i need this package for the test or does it come out after? Also, does anyone know what forms i need to bring to my doctor? and what forms do i need to bring to the FAMS doctors?

[Love_Ulcer]

some other folks have been receiving the psych recert email. good sign.

[MFapp2]

At the oral board do they tell you if you passed??? or is it just expected if they dont say anything else.

[igneous]

some other folks have been receiving the psych recert email. good sign.
I just saw that on the 911 forums, lets hope our calls will be coming soon. Tomorrow maybe?

[igneous]

go to your avue website and look under background investigation. there should be a forms option at the left sidebar. that should tell you what kind of forms you will need.
How did you post from the future? I made this post at 9:42 est and your post is somehow ahead of mine.

[datfas]

Got the call yesterday that my physical is set for August 7. Anyone else processing through Chicago?

[Love_Ulcer]

Hey I have my physical exam on monday and I have read that QTC sends out packages with information. Do i need this package for the test or does it come out after? Also, does anyone know what forms i need to bring to my doctor? and what forms do i need to bring to the FAMS doctors?

go to your avue website and look under background investigation. there should be a forms option at the left sidebar. that should tell you what kind of forms you will need.

[MassVet]

did they call you to arrange the appointment?

[Love_Ulcer]

How did you post from the future? I made this post at 9:42 est and your post is somehow ahead of mine.

whoa, just noticed it. what's going on here?

[igneous]

whoa, just noticed it. what's going on here?
I think its fixed now

[igneous]

roger that!! i just got something in the mail saying i had to retake my eye test and there standards are 20/20 corrected , 20/100 uncorrected, im screwed, im 20/15 corrected, BUT 20/200 uncorrected!!!! >:(
Hey Psycho, have you heard anything lately?

[MassVet]

I just got a call , i have my medical on July 31st.

[Gibbmusic]

After a lot of reflection and consideration, I decided this morning to drop from the hiring process. I was scheduled to go to the medical on Monday morning so at least I saved the taxpayers a few bucks by dropping today. I believe that I still have too much '**** and vinegar' to go from being a patrol officer to the daily routine of being a flying FAM at this point in my life. I'm good at what I do right now and I'm afraid that FAMs just wouldn't be my cup of tea.

I wish the rest of you the best of luck. The folks on this forum have been helpful throughout the process. The good news for you is that now there's at least one more slot open for those of you that have your heart into it 100%.

Good luck to all,
Gibbmusic

[igneous]

Someone on the 911 forums got the call for the DC office for august 7, which means they are calling again. Thats the only call I heard about today though.

[psycho1000r]

Hey Psycho, have you heard anything lately?

nope, iv officially given up, i still come here to see how u guys are making out, I always hope i read that u got the call every time i come on here!

[igneous]

nope, iv officially ginen up, i still come here to see how u guys are making out, I always hope i read that u got the call every time i come on here!
Have you contacted them at all? Did you ever get the psych recert email?

[igneous]

Someone on the 911 forums got the call for the DC office for august 7, which means they are calling again. Thats the only call I heard about today though.
The person that got hired over there got the recert email yesterday, and was hired today! Some of us have been waiting almost 3 weeks since getting that recert email to be hired now!

[igneous]

Another person just got the call today, hired for NY. He got the recert email on thursday :(
He said:
"Just got the CALL!!!!!! Sent in the recert email yesterday and got the call today. I report August 7th to the NY office. They told me graduation is December 19th."

[Love_Ulcer]

on a saturday?! that is quite odd.

[igneous]

on a saturday?! that is quite odd.
I know. Pretty much as odd as sending calls to people who just got the recert email, while the rest of us have waited for weeks..

[tavman]

This is where I stand.
I submitted my application and SF-86 on 20 Feb.(Current Secret) I am scheduled for my physical on 31 July and I have my interview on 2 Aug.

Can anyone tell me where to look on Avue for my finger print cards? They were mailed and received approx 2 weeks ago.

[igneous]

This is where I stand.
I submitted my application and SF-86 on 20 Feb.(Current Secret) I am scheduled for my physical on 31 July and I have my interview on 2 Aug.

Can anyone tell me where to look on Avue for my finger print cards? They were mailed and received approx 2 weeks ago.
They have mine and they never got into avue.

[tavman]

They have mine and they never got into avue.

Great. Really hope who ever needs them gets them.

[usmc1775]

The fingerprint cards will appear in the "Attach Files" section of the background investigation on AVUE's website. They will be on the same page as the medical forms that you had to fax early in the process.

I mailed my cards off the week of 17 June, and they just appeared in the last few days.

[tavman]

USMC thanks for the directions.

[T-Bird]

Question, what are the prerequisities for this job. I have my B.A, but how much experiance do they want? Thank You.

[MassVet]

Experience in the field, im assuming if you just have a BA in criminal justice, the ones you can pretty much just buy nowadays. you need experience, you should be good if you have some, just apply, its free.

[igneous]

Experience in the field, im assuming if you just have a BA in criminal justice, the ones you can pretty much just buy nowadays. you need experience, you should be good if you have some, just apply, its free.
There really is nothing they want from everyone. It seems lately they have been hiring a lot of people with Bachelors degrees. They've turned down people with degrees and a lot of experience, as well as people with no degrees and experience. They've hired quite a few people straight out of college. It really varies. They basically want a very well rounded group, so as long as you meet their basic qualifications you have a chance.

[0351]

They've hired quite a few people straight out of college.
I wouldn't say "quite a few," from what I've seen 5% or less are recent college grads (within a year or so). And we (yes I'm one of them) brought more to the table than just a BA in basket weaving (military, law enforcement, EMT, that sort of thing).
I'm not saying this to crush anyones hopes, I just don't want the rumor or (false) perception spreading that myself and other recent hires were all recently "flipping burgers."

[igneous]

I wouldn't say "quite a few," from what I've seen 5% or less are recent college grads (within a year or so). And we (yes I'm one of them) brought more to the table than just a BA in basket weaving (military, law enforcement, EMT, that sort of thing).
I'm not saying this to crush anyones hopes, I just don't want the rumor or (false) perception spreading that myself and other recent hires were all recently "flipping burgers."
Yeah. It was "quite a few" to me as I've only really been in contact with people through these forums. Thats really just a small percentage of all of the people that have applied though.

[T-Bird]

Besides having a B.A. in Criminal Justice, and Volunteer police experiance, I've also worked in the private security industry for awhile. What are the odds that they might call me? I'm guessing not that great. Do I meet the minimum qualifications?

What's difficult for me is the fact that I can't seem to get a decent job right now in my field of choice. I wanted to go into the NYPD. It definately would have been a great start, but that's not happening due to circumstances beyond my control. I posted some other thread along these lines in this section of the forum, but I guess no one replied.

[igneous]

Besides having a B.A. in Criminal Justice, and Volunteer police experiance, I've also worked in the private security industry for awhile. What are the odds that they might call me? I'm guessing not that great. Do I meet the minimum qualifications?

What's difficult for me is the fact that I can't seem to get a decent job right now in my field of choice. I wanted to go into the NYPD. It definately would have been a great start, but that's not happening due to circumstances beyond my control. I posted some other thread along these lines in this section of the forum, but I guess no one replied.
Yes you meet the minimum quals, but noone can tell you if you have a chance to get hired or not. It depends on a lot of things.

[MFapp2]

Hey everyone. Tmo i have my medical and psych tests. One important question that i have is what to wear??? anyone have any idea what they look for???

[igneous]

Hey everyone. Tmo i have my medical and psych tests. One important question that i have is what to wear??? anyone have any idea what they look for???
For the med it doesnt really matter, but where is your psych test? If its at the FO I'd probably wear a suit.

[MFapp2]

At my interview the other day they said that the psych test is done at the time of the medical test now. Anyone else hear this? All that i know is that i have the medical test tmo so i am hoping that the psych is tmo also. My medical is at a hospital.

[igneous]

At my interview the other day they said that the psych test is done at the time of the medical test now. Anyone else hear this? All that i know is that i have the medical test tmo so i am hoping that the psych is tmo also. My medical is at a hospital.
You don't need to wear a suit to the med, thats for sure. I dunno, I had my psych tests done right after my interview, so I'm not sure what to tell you.

[MarcDominic]

Do you absolutely need to have 20/20 corrected vision? I went to my physical today, and i was under the impression that I could see 20/20 with my current contact lens prescription. But it was 20/30 in one eye. I'm due for a fresh pair of contacts, so I might put another one in and take another eye exam when I go back for my TB results Thursday.

[psycho1000r]

Do you absolutely need to have 20/20 corrected vision? I went to my physical today, and i was under the impression that I could see 20/20 with my current contact lens prescription. But it was 20/30 in one eye. I'm due for a fresh pair of contacts, so I might put another one in and take another eye exam when I go back for my TB results Thursday.


yes u do need 20/20 corrected. you ALSO need 20/100 uncorrected, i think i got screwed because my uncorrected was 20/200

[MarcDominic]

yes u do need 20/20 corrected. you ALSO need 20/100 uncorrected, i think i got screwed because my uncorrected was 20/200

They didn't even do my uncorrected vision. I think I'll be 20/20 corrected with fresh contacts in or a stronger prescription.

[psycho1000r]

They didn't even do my uncorrected vision. I think I'll be 20/20 corrected with fresh contacts in or a stronger prescription.


rest assured, i didnt either at my medical, 2 months later i got a letter in hte mail telling me to et my uncorrected and corrected rechecked, at my expense. they have to know what your uncorrected vision is, to see if it falls in there " acceptable" range of 20/200

[MarcDominic]

Did the rest of you guys have to get your corrected AND uncorrected vision checked as well?

EDIT: I just got back from getting my TB test results. I made them do my vision again. 20/20 corrected with a fresh pair of contacts and 20/70 uncorrected vision. So I guess I'm good for now. Pheww

[thermop6]

Uncorrected standard is 20/100, not 20/200. 20/200 will not pass the FAA Class 2 exam, which is what we take, according to the Denver FO. I got LASIK this afternoon for this specific reason. Med scheduled for next week.

[igneous]

Well its friday, hopefully some more calls are going out today.

[BrickCop]

I could never do that job. It's got to be tedious flying day after day without anything happening.

Don't get me wrong those guys are top notch pros and I sleep better at night knowing they're on the job. I just wonder how they combat the "groundhog day" effect where one uneventful day repeats itself over and over...

[MarcDominic]

I just wonder how they combat the "groundhog day" effect where one uneventful day repeats itself over and over...

I don't know, hopefully there's alotta babes around to talk to :D

[bigolin]

I just had my interview yesterday in Dallas, and a drug screen. I'm assuming since I made it to the drug screen, that means I made it through the interview. All that's left now is the medical, the psych, and the PAT. I gotta get into shape for the PAT, who knows when I'll get a call for that. Hopefully I have enough time.

[Z400]

Was wondering if anyone out there had their panel interview in the morning and had a thank you but you are no longer in consideration e-mail from avue that afternoon.

[Love_Ulcer]

Guess we're not making that next class either! :mad:

[igneous]

Guess we're not making that next class either! :mad:
The wait continues.......

[Bollix]

Just got email to fax in Psych forms and a phone call to send in my college transcripts. I wonder if that means that i'm anyway close to the end.

See what happens I guess

[igneous]

Just got email to fax in Psych forms and a phone call to send in my college transcripts. I wonder if that means that i'm anyway close to the end.

See what happens I guess
congrats, you'll probably end up getting the call before love_ulcer and I do :(

[thermop6]

Just got email to fax in Psych forms and a phone call to send in my college transcripts. I wonder if that means that i'm anyway close to the end.

See what happens I guess


Boll - How long ago did you take your PTA?

[Bollix]

I did th medical & PTA in one day at the NY field office about 2 weeks ago. Spoke to sombody in VA 2 days ago who said a decision will be made soon.

Fingers crossed for all

[datfas]

Well just finished with the medical a few hours ago. The medical office seemed a little confused with what paperwork I needed. I sort of had to spoon feed the paperwork to them. I have a friend who took the medical around the 20th of July and is doing the PAT sometime this week. If this is the case I should get a call to take the PAT in about two weeks. But like everyone is saying there is no rhyme or reason to how they are doing the process. Waiting on the tarmac now.

[Bollix]

Anyone get called????. This is painfull!!!!!!!!!!!

[Love_Ulcer]

Nope. Still waiting.

[tavman]

I finished my medical this past Monday, had the oral interview on Wednesday am. After the panel interview I took the whizz quiz and had a interview with the SAC. I was told(by the SAC) that I was receiving a "highly recommended." Not sure where this puts me in the hiring field. Only thing left is the PAT.

[igneous]

Nope. Still waiting.
yup............

[manstown]

Know of at least 3 people getting hired yesterday. I was just called the other day and asked for my transcripts and certifications. Now I just wait.

[Bullitt107]

Is this a good indicator that things will be progressing for me, or are there many of you out there that have done so only to not advance in the process? Just curious. Thanks.

[usmc1775]

Completed oral psych. I do not believe I passed. I though it was a very hostile, confrontational event at best. The interviewer would ask some bizarre questions, and then cut me off at any attempt to answer. I stayed as cool as a cucumber, but just left with a really bad feeling. It seemed as if the interviewer was spring loaded before I got there.

Are these results sharable through other federal agencies? I'm walking the dog through three other agencies at the moment, and I'm hoping this does not blow me out of the water on all of the others.

We'll just have to wait and see.

[tavman]

USMC you had an oral psych? When I interviewed last Wed. I was told there is no longer a psych test. Hopefully, it work out for you though.

[usmc1775]

I took the 1200 question battery with all the T/F and sentence completion questions about three weeks ago. There were six of us. The test was administered at a field office, and the forms were placed in a folder for grading at the local Psych office. We were all told to expect an hour debriefing with the psych in the near future. That was what I went to. However, it was a really confrontational debriefing.

One of the questions came up " Do you carry a concealed weapon?" I said yes.
The question was promptly thrown back, "Why do you feel you NEED that?"
I replied "The constitution and state laws afford me the legal opportunity."
She wrote even faster then, followed by a "Moving Along.."

After 14 years in the Marine Corps, and numerous IDPA, and IPSC, NRA, Marine Corps and Highpower matches, I figure I'm a legitimate carry authority. Civillians baffle me sometimes.


I'll just have to wait and see

[tavman]

Sorry to hear that it went like that for you. Maybe since the psych part was dropped her interview will mean nothing.


Question for all of you who have done the panel interview. After completing the interview did you have an interview with the SAC? I'm trying to figure out if this only happened in the field office I was at or what.

[usmc1775]

I had the opportunity to sit wuth the SAC after the pannel, but I had all of my questions answered at the pannel, so he just walked me around the office and introduced me to a few of the other agents.

If I pass this Psych eval, I'll only be lacking the PRA.

[manstown]

Sorry to hear that it went like that for you. Maybe since the psych part was dropped her interview will mean nothing.


Question for all of you who have done the panel interview. After completing the interview did you have an interview with the SAC? I'm trying to figure out if this only happened in the field office I was at or what.

Everybody the day I had the interview, met with th ASAC. It seems to be a normal occurance. A buddy of mine had the interview a couple weeks later and met with them as well.

[MassVet]

all i have left is an hour with a psyche and the PAT. I got a number to call to arrange the psyche and when i called they said "we will call you". I am still waiting for that, im calling tomorrow to figure out whats up.

[thermop6]

I took the 1200 question battery with all the T/F and sentence completion questions about three weeks ago. There were six of us. The test was administered at a field office, and the forms were placed in a folder for grading at the local Psych office. We were all told to expect an hour debriefing with the psych in the near future. That was what I went to. However, it was a really confrontational debriefing.

One of the questions came up " Do you carry a concealed weapon?" I said yes.
The question was promptly thrown back, "Why do you feel you NEED that?"
I replied "The constitution and state laws afford me the legal opportunity."
She wrote even faster then, followed by a "Moving Along.."

After 14 years in the Marine Corps, and numerous IDPA, and IPSC, NRA, Marine Corps and Highpower matches, I figure I'm a legitimate carry authority. Civillians baffle me sometimes.


I'll just have to wait and see

Dude I wouldn't worry about that - their job is to try and **** you off. They want to see if you'll lose it and flip over the table or something.. If they made a point to ask about your CCW and that's the best they could come up with, you're golden. It's when they ask you about your fascination with fire and why you wank off to black and white European beastiality that you have a problem... (not that I'd know or anything..) :cool:
Point is, relax - it sounds to me like you reacted just the way they hoped you would. Good luck!

[Love_Ulcer]

since the FY06 is almost over, do we have to wait until FY07 to get hired now?

[igneous]

Well apparently they are spending a ton on advertising now too. This ad has been in a lot of the NY papers I guess. All while we are still waiting to hear anything after about 5 weeks of nothing.
http://www.print2webcorp.com/news/nypost/employment/353615mFEDAIRMARSHALLmc/353615mFEDAIRMARSHALLmc.asp
http://atwork.nypost.com/texis/jobsearch/details.html?id=44d579ad494a80&q=Federal%20Air%20Marshal%20Service&pp=25&view=1&page=1

[drepol]

since the FY06 is almost over, do we have to wait until FY07 to get hired now?
You mean the fiscal year 2007 that begins on October 1, 2006?! Oh no, one whole day of waiting?! Just kidding :D No biggie to wait, the fiscal year 2007 is actually in 06. The only difference is that budgeting does change, so the hiring speed and frequency may change.

[thermop6]

I asked this question at my FO interview and the ASAC said that this is a myth. He said that the fiscal year has no bearing on hiring as they already know their 07 budget.

Hopefully the five weeks of nothing means that there will be five weeks of mass hiring - that seems to be how they do things - in waves..

Cheers.

[GoldBadge]

I asked this question at my FO interview and the ASAC said that this is a myth. He said that the fiscal year has no bearing on hiring as they already know their 07 budget.

I'm not sure how they could know for sure, since the '07 budgets haven't been approved yet (passed by Congress and signed off by the President). They can only approximate (with a certain degree of accuracy) what their budgets will be.

[igneous]

After today I highly doubt there will be any kind of budget cut. If anything it should be increased.

[oggie505]

After today I highly doubt there will be any kind of budget cut. If anything it should be increased.

I agree there, but we know how the gov works.


Also, I am new here have read things about how the FAM process changes from person to person. Well, here is my story. I got my medical next week and interview after that. The funny thing is my interview is at the ATlanta FO, sound spretty normal until, the fact is I am from the DC area. I told the Atlanta FO about it and they said call avue, but problem is if avue fixes it, they do not know when i will get called again for another interview, so I am gonna bite the bullet and purchase a plane ticket to fly down to Atlanta. I just hope that the have my PT test here in DC.

[maximuslab]

Hey everyone. I'm new to this forum but have been reading everyone's posts for months now. I completed the entire process at the hiring blitz the FAMS had at Hyatt Dulles back on 08/02. I then scored excellent-great on all of the events on the PFT the following day.

Hahaha, I know I sound impatient but how long did it take anyone else to hear back from FAMS after passing everything and their PFT? Thanks!

[AV8TOR]

After the PFT I've get the call 25 days later. Just be lucky that you haven't been hanging out for 11 months like I have. I'm still waiting on the PFT.

[webjeep]

I was at the Hyatt as well and I got called last week to fax my transcripts and help the guy track down a couple of supervisors. He told me that he was taking my package before the hiring panel. He had everything by last friday, but did not give an indication of when I would hear anything. So it's waiting time again.

[maximuslab]

webjeep,

were you there on a day before or after me (08/02)? Also, what is their policy if they decided to turn you down? Letter, call, email, etc.? Thanks!

[webjeep]

I was actually there on the 28th of July, I would imagine a call if you get it and a letter if you don't. But no one really said much as far as notification goes. Like I said, I got the calls last Thursday and Friday about faxing my txcripts and getting my current and a previous sergeants to contact them. Last I heard my package was being submitted to the applicant review panel or something so it's just wait and see. Good luck.

-web

[Philly1]

I am new here, but I also attended the mass hiring day at the Hyatt on july 25th. Completed everything that day...panel, drug test, medical, PT test. Got a call from a FAM who was doing my background the following Monday. Faxed in transcripts from college last Wednesday and was told to provide numbers to a few past supervisors/sergeants. I was told on the 25th that an offer should come in 2 weeks. The 2 weeks was up on August 8th. Now its just wait.

[jrnwaarmy]

hello yall!!! first timer here too. just did my last apt. w/c is pta. yesterday at L.A. field office.I did my panel interview in L.A. I did my sac interview and the whole thing in D.C. last 03 of aug and it was to hot to do PTA there that's why I did it in L.A. So for now I'm waiting too. Fam told us that they even advertise it in nyc paper, w/c means they need us!!! So wait patiently and it will happen.I was told it might take about 3weeks. hopefully!!!!!!!!

[Love_Ulcer]

holy cow, members of this thread just doubled in one day! i wish everyone the best of luck in their process. :)

[webjeep]

My wife is tripping about when they are going to start calling or sending letters so if any of the DC guys who did the hiring blitz at the Dulles Hyatt get any word please keep us all updated :D

Good luck to everyone.

[maximuslab]

For those who have received calls after completing their PFT's, what are your backgrounds? I am assuming that I haven't heard anything yet after completing my PFT last week because I'm not a military/LE applicant?

I received an email yesterday from Avue informing me that I will be hearing from my local field office regarding interview scheduling and psychological testing but as I mentioned before I've completed everything at Hyatt Dulles last week (they aren't doing the psych anymore) so I'm little worried why I received this email.

[igneous]

holy cow, members of this thread just doubled in one day! i wish everyone the best of luck in their process. :)
Ya, lots of people in here with 1 post now. I've applied for about 10 jobs in the past two weeks. I think I would have a heart attack if I heard something from the FAMS at this point

[Love_Ulcer]

hehe, me too.

[usmc1775]

This is taking so long, I just filled out the applications to be a kindergarten teacher....I can't take the stress of waiting. Just let one of those little buggars step out of line:)

[Love_Ulcer]

This is taking so long, I just filled out the applications to be a kindergarten teacher....I can't take the stress of waiting. Just let one of those little buggars step out of line:)

Actually, considering it's a federal law enforcement hiring process, FAMS' process is actually quicker than most other agencies. There are others (i.e. us marshals) which may take up to four years! I can't even imagine the wait on that one.

[igneous]

Actually, considering it's a federal law enforcement hiring process, FAMS' process is actually quicker than most other agencies. There are others (i.e. us marshals) which may take up to four years! I can't even imagine the wait on that one.
Definitely. Sounds like torture. The thing is that the FAMS is a first LE job for a lot of us, so this long hiring process is very new for most of us.

[tavman]

I was told this morning that everything is on hold.(interviews, PT test, hiring) This is due to the happenings in the UK. I don't know if this is every office or just the one processing me.

[maximuslab]

igneous,

So true! I have had an application with the FBI for the last 4 years for Special Agent and just failed my PFT (by .6 of a second on the 300m!!) so I know what a long wait is like. But either the FBI or the FAMS will be my first law enforcement position and I am VERY excited about it! Something I've wanted to do my whole life and it feels good to finally go after it! GOOD LUCK TO EVERYONE! :)

[Hitz]

Hello Everyone!
I have been reading the posts here for 2 months and was unable to reply or post. I am going through the FAM's process in Florida and wanted to share my experience. I am working as a security contractor in the middle east and decided I wanted something more stable. I applied on June 26, 2006. I was called by the FO here in Florida for my panel interview on July 10th. I was given a letter prior to leaving to return for further processing on July 31st. I arrived and completed the Whiz Quiz and was also advised that the PAT would now be completed online through AVUE. I am scheduled to take a new position in Kuwait and it occurred to me that AVUE has never contacted through this process. I called and spoke with AVUE and was given the speech on how everything is changing and so forth. I got the number for the FOH and called them as suggested by the FO in Florida. I am now waiting to be scheduled.

[usmc1775]

welcome..hitz

How do you do a PAT online? I'm assuming you're referring to the Physical assessment test.

[Hitz]

welcome..hitz

How do you do a PAT online? I'm assuming you're referring to the Physical assessment test.

Psychological Assesment Testing ...I suppose it's the questionarre portion.

[igneous]

Psychological Assesment Testing ...I suppose it's the questionarre portion.
Yeah, they never used to do that stuff online. It used to be take an 800+ question psych test after your interview, then have a psychologist analyze the results.

[Hitz]

I completed the process for the US Capitol Police and that psych portion was 900 questions. What's great is that it was done in an office and you interviewed with the psych officer immediately following. What sucked is that their budget was not approved and I was put on a waiting list. Go figure!!

[maximuslab]

Am I the only one without a law enforcement/military background in this process? I've heard of non-military candidates getting through but it seems like every one I meet with or speak too is either LE or military.

This waiting process is killing me! Hehe......

[Hitz]

Am I the only one without a law enforcement/military background in this process? I've heard of non-military candidates getting through but it seems like every one I meet with or speak too is either LE or military.

This waiting process is killing me! Hehe......

Don't worry, these agencies are looking to have a diverse talent pool. I have worked as a security contractor and met some great, brave and talented individuals. A majority of the guys I have met don't have a degree and did not get hired at the federal level so opted for the higher pay out of working high risk jobs. I just got my AA in Criminal Justice.

[Love_Ulcer]

Supposedly calls are going out again.

[MarcDominic]

Am I the only one without a law enforcement/military background in this process? I've heard of non-military candidates getting through but it seems like every one I meet with or speak too is either LE or military.

This waiting process is killing me! Hehe......

I have no military or LE experience whatsoever. I just got outta college in May with an information systems degree.

[manstown]

I have no military or LE experience whatsoever. I just got outta college in May with an information systems degree.

I was just hired last week. I will say that they now know they have quite a bit of applicants to choose from. And with so many people showing for the interviews, they can be picky. I don't have much more information then that so good luck to all.

[maximuslab]

manstown,

Congratulations!!!

Were you hired out of the Hyatt Dulles testing blitz and what's your background?

[manstown]

No I had finished the process about 3 weeks before they started that. I have military, 6 years FLEO, and I'm just about done my degree.

[AV8TOR]

Hey manstown

How long after your pta did you recieve a call?
I am also in the pipeline,
5 years military
B.A.
currently pursuing M.A.
No LE experience

[Hitz]

Just got call...I am scheduled for the medical on 18th!!!
I am a little confused though. I have not heard from Avue throughout this process. Is that normal?

[AV8TOR]

A word of advice

After your medical is completed, give QTC a call everyday until they recieve you medical, approve it and foward it. Keep track of it throughout the process. This will save you lot of time lost. Take it from personal experience.

[maximuslab]

Everytime the phone rings I get my hopes up - hoping it's "the call." :eek: Hahaha, just voicing my insanity people. Anyone else hear anything?

[tavman]

AV8TOR can you post up the TQC number. It would be greatly appreciated.

[Hitz]

AV8TOR...Thank you for the advice. I know this to be the truth because the medical center they are sending me to was the same one I used to deploy with DYNCORP and it took forever to get the exam back. I will definately call QTC upon completion of my exam. I'm almost tempted to not go to Kuwait!!

[igneous]

Supposedly calls are going out again.
Some people are getting calls that went to that hiring blitz thing they had in DC :( Its really not lookin good..

[maximuslab]

yeah, i saw on 911jobsforum.com that people are getting calls from that hiring blitz. I agree with you, doesn't look good

[AV8TOR]

My medical finally made it to QTC. It may take up to a week to go through quality control. Then it will be forwarded to fams. The pta will follow closely.

HITZ, keep your head up. Your call will come someday.

We are all experts in the waiting game by now.

[Hitz]

I'm supposed to leave for Kuwait on the 29th. I'm so unsure at this point as to whether or not I should stay and attempt to atleast complete this process or just return in 6 months or so and continue!!!
AV8TOR, How long did it take for your medical to make it back to QTC?

[Love_Ulcer]

Some people are getting calls that went to that hiring blitz thing they had in DC :( Its really not lookin good..

I officially gave up hope last week. I'm going to my local PD academy in two months. At least with them I KNOW where I stand.

[maximuslab]

Love Ulcer,

Have you called your applicant coordinator regarding your status? I am thinking of calling mine.

[Love_Ulcer]

Love Ulcer,

Have you called your applicant coordinator regarding your status? I am thinking of calling mine.

I tried but they said they have no idea about my process and that the HQ is in charge of the process. The only thing they said was that receiving the psyche recert email was a "good sign". Of course that was about a month ago.

[MarcDominic]

I took my medical exam a few weeks ago and got my results back last week. I don't have to send them anywhere or do anything with them, right? So they're basically just for my records?

Now I'm just waiting on hopefully getting my pta and oral pysch scheduled.

[oggie505]

I just did my medical today in NOVA. Kind of scared by it, since the lady doing it did not speak English very well. But the doc gave me the OK and said my medical was complete and passed, I just have to go back in 2 days for PPD results.

What numbers/recruiters do you people have, I have only been contacted once for interview, and that is commin up next week and I have to fly to Atlanta for it. I am only hopping I can take the PTA here in DC, since that is where I live.

About the physch, now its just 2 papers that one signs/certifies, atleast that sall I have to do. Is that somehting I give to the medical paperwork, or do I bring it to the interview?

Congrats on the people who are getting called for the job

[Hitz]

I checked my credit report and can't tell if there were any new inquiries. What would the FAM inquiry be? or Do they use a third party agency? Please advise if you have any info in regards to this matter!

[AV8TOR]

I'm supposed to leave for Kuwait on the 29th. I'm so unsure at this point as to whether or not I should stay and attempt to atleast complete this process or just return in 6 months or so and continue!!!
AV8TOR, How long did it take for your medical to make it back to QTC?

The FOH overnites you medical to QTC.
Then QTC's quality control checks your medical for errors. 1 week max
The QTC fowards medical to Fams. Fams send pta email to you. Varies due to their hiring timing and their control.

[manstown]

Let me just say this to try to ease some minds. You guys that are expecting this to happen over night are off base. I applied back in Oct 05 and didn't get hired until last week. There are people that went through quick that will get hired. There are those that went throw the process quick and won't get hired. There are those that will have to wait.

To ask how long from this stage to the next is crazy. The amazing FED Government process has no ryhme or reason. What happen to one isn't going to happen to another. As far as the Med goes, if you can get in touch with FOH do it and keep up with them to make sure they get your records out. But by no means, do not keep calling or ask for the FAMS numbers. They have alot to do and it will get done. Those that have fininshed everything, the chances of hire is good but not a certainty. Those that are in the process still, just hang on. No one on here can tell you if the job is going to be offered. I have seen guys on these forums with 10+ years of LE get turned down and those with no experience get the job. It is a crazy process but the only way to go about it is wait for them to call you and offere you the job. The best advice is to act like it never happen. I have a buddy here that turned the job down and was called again with another offer 2 months later. That is the way it goes.

Just hang tight. If they want to offer you the job, they will. If they don't.....it happens. But there are more opportunities out there.

Good Luck to everyone!!!!

[igneous]

Let me just say this to try to ease some minds. You guys that are expecting this to happen over night are off base. I applied back in Oct 05 and didn't get hired until last week. There are people that went through quick that will get hired. There are those that went throw the process quick and won't get hired. There are those that will have to wait.

To ask how long from this stage to the next is crazy. The amazing FED Government process has no ryhme or reason. What happen to one isn't going to happen to another. As far as the Med goes, if you can get in touch with FOH do it and keep up with them to make sure they get your records out. But by no means, do not keep calling or ask for the FAMS numbers. They have alot to do and it will get done. Those that have fininshed everything, the chances of hire is good but not a certainty. Those that are in the process still, just hang on. No one on here can tell you if the job is going to be offered. I have seen guys on these forums with 10+ years of LE get turned down and those with no experience get the job. It is a crazy process but the only way to go about it is wait for them to call you and offere you the job. The best advice is to act like it never happen. I have a buddy here that turned the job down and was called again with another offer 2 months later. That is the way it goes.

Just hang tight. If they want to offer you the job, they will. If they don't.....it happens. But there are more opportunities out there.

Good Luck to everyone!!!!
Very well put. Another piece of advice, SEARCH! This thread is huge now, and a lot of questions have been answered here a bunch of times. A quick search will usually answer your questions faster than someone will be able to respond.

[maximuslab]

I think all of us who were fortunate enough to run through the "hiring blitz" a few weeks ago can appreciate those who have been in the process for over several months. Like I said before, I've been in the FBI process for a couple of years, so I know what an emotional roller coaster this whole process can be!

However, many of us were told during the "hiring blitz" that they were looking to hire people within 1-2 weeks of their hiring-blitz day. In fact, I was told by several of the Marshals present that day that if you passed everything and performed well on the PFT a call should come your way within several days.

Those of us who are anxious since passing everything from the "hiring blitz" are behaving in such a way because of what we were told and what was conveyed during the "hiring blitz." However, this does not mean we expect to be hired overnight or should have priority over those who have been in the process for much longer.

Just thought I'd share the other side the spectrum. Best of luck to everyone on here!

[Hitz]

I was in Iraq and Afghanistan with 6 guys who were able to ascertain atleast a time frame of returning home by chatting with guys on forums just like this. One of the guys left Iraq and was not hired after having completed FAM's hiring process. He's now out of $200,000 salary $80,000 of that was tax free. 4 of the other guys are working out of NY now. The last turned down the offer and is now a NY State Trooper out of Middletown, NY. So in my situation, the information I ask from some of you is very helpful and I thank you for your response. I am currently in the Fiji Islands and returning to Miami tomorrow for the medical exam. I'll decide if I'll go onto Kuwait upon completion. Thanks AV8TOR

[DJ_USMC_50]

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[INTHEAIRCOP]

I have been gone for some time guys. I am still currently a FAM and have been for clsoe to 5 years. The job is still the same as it was when I started back in 2002. The dress code is not as bad and we have a new director whom seems to care about us. The FAM service is also looking at other weapons for us. The word is the GLOCK. I guess since most of the FAMs weapons are due to hit 20,000 rounds( I have about 19,000 rounds fired through my issued weapon) in a year or so, I guess they are looking at it now. Also when the 2 FAMs shot that guy in Miami back in December 2005, well if you didn't know, well 3 rounds made it all the way through the guy. Just think what would of happened if the shooting happened up in the air and the 3 rounds made it through the guy and then hit a child also. I get the feeling they will be going to a round a bit slower then the issued round we use now.

If you guys have a ? just ask me. I will answer what I can without getting fired.

[oggie505]

If you guys have a ? just ask me.
Sent you a PM

Also for those who are going to be doing the medical, what you can do is ask for the tracking number from the medical office you went to. I did that and now I can see when it gets to its destination

[drepol]

I have been gone for some time guys. I am still currently a FAM and have been for clsoe to 5 years. The job is still the same as it was when I started back in 2002. The dress code is not as bad and we have a new director whom seems to care about us. The FAM service is also looking at other weapons for us. The word is the GLOCK. I guess since most of the FAMs weapons are due to hit 20,000 rounds( I have about 19,000 rounds fired through my issued weapon) in a year or so, I guess they are looking at it now. Also when the 2 FAMs shot that guy in Miami back in December 2005, well if you didn't know, well 3 rounds made it all the way through the guy. Just think what would of happened if the shooting happened up in the air and the 3 rounds made it through the guy and then hit a child also. I get the feeling they will be going to a round a bit slower then the issued round we use now.

If you guys have a ? just ask me. I will answer what I can without getting fired.

I've been a FAM for about a year now. I echo what ITACII has to say about answering questions, and maybe I can add the perspective of a relative 'rookie'

[Philly1]

Edited for OPSEC

[manstown]

Philly,

Sent you a PM.

[oggie505]

Woot Woot, I am one of the many who have recieved a thanks but no thanks email. Taking it with a grain of salt. According to Avue online I am still in consideration for the job, it is funny how nothing has changed since I do not have my interview until next week, and medical is being sent today from the doctor's office. Man, Avue is really a bad place for the FAM to be useing.

[Bollix]

One quick question drepol,

If u are hired at the G band how long does it take to reach the top of the I band?

Thanks

[INTHEAIRCOP]

If hired in as a G band you wll get H band in only 12 months and then I band 12 months after that. So expect a huge raise every 12 months for the first 2 years on the job.


INTHEAIRCOP IS BACK!

[Hitz]

The flight was long but I made it back to Florida. Will have my medical exam tomorrow A.M.
Was told by Avue that the Psych form would be given to me there as well. I'm not sure but she assured me that the procedure changed and I would be filling out a psych form tomorrow.

[oggie505]

I just finished my med today and they doctor said they do not take the physch form, so I am just going to call QTC and see if I can fax it to them. there is a lot of miscommunication with this process

Just got off the phone with QTC and my case officer told me thta they do not take the physc forms, but whoknows.

[drepol]

If hired in as a G band you wll get H band in only 12 months and then I band 12 months after that. So expect a huge raise every 12 months for the first 2 years on the job.


INTHEAIRCOP IS BACK!
what he said

[INTHEAIRCOP]

FFDOs will be getting badges soon. The TSA has approved it and the badges will be minted soon. My SAIC is on the board for the FFDO program and he told us this week.

So when FAMs goto work do not be surprised to see FFDOs flashing badges to try and get some respect.


this is not a rumor and this is FACT.

[drepol]

FFDOs will be getting badges soon. The TSA has approved it and the badges will be minted soon. My SAIC is on the board for the FFDO program and he told us this week.

So when FAMs goto work do not be surprised to see FFDOs flashing badges to try and get some respect.


this is not a rumor and this is FACT.
Creds are what bestows authority, and FFDOs already have creds. There is no need for badges, since FFDOs are not and should not be LEOs

[LPI]

Creds are what bestows authority, and FFDOs already have creds. There is no need for badges, since FFDOs are not and should not be LEOs

I had never heard of an FFDO, so I looked it up. Apparently they are considered Federal LEO's in a limited capacity and are deputized. According to the website, after about only a week's worth of training.

"FFDOs will be Federal law enforcement officers only for the limited purposes of carrying firearms and using force to defend the flight deck of an aircraft from air piracy or criminal violence including lethal force."

Here is the link to the TSA website.
http://www.tsa.dot.gov/public/interapp/editorial/editorial_multi_image_with_table_0208.xml

[gonefishin]

FFDOs will be getting badges soon. The TSA has approved it and the badges will be minted soon. My SAIC is on the board for the FFDO program and he told us this week.

So when FAMs goto work do not be surprised to see FFDOs flashing badges to try and get some respect.


this is not a rumor and this is FACT.


No good can come of this.....

[drepol]

I had never heard of an FFDO, so I looked it up. Apparently they are considered Federal LEO's in a limited capacity and are deputized. According to the website, after about only a week's worth of training.

"FFDOs will be Federal law enforcement officers only for the limited purposes of carrying firearms and using force to defend the flight deck of an aircraft from air piracy or criminal violence including lethal force."

Here is the link to the TSA website.
http://www.tsa.dot.gov/public/interapp/editorial/editorial_multi_image_with_table_0208.xml
I am a FAM, I deal with these guys quite regularly, but thanks for the link anyway

[Bollix]

Just got the call. Start on the 18th.

Good luck to all


:)

[igneous]

Just got the call. Start on the 18th.

Good luck to all


:)
Wow, congrats. I guess I called it at the end of last month when I said you'd get called before me and love_ulcer.

[Hitz]

I completed my medical exam today and must return on Sunday (yes Sunday)for the TB determination. Discovered after 35 minutes of discussion that QTC did infact send a pre-paid Fed Ex envelop and the Psych questionarre , which was maybe 15-20 questions. Phoned QTC upon completion and was informed that they would have the medical review completed and forwarded to FAM HQ within a week. I also phoned the field office here in FL and advised that I will now depart the country on the 29th and was told to contact the field office on Monday (?) The waiting game begins!!!

[oggie505]

Wow, they told me they do not do the physch. Very weird process..lol.. I just called the ATL FO to make sure my interview was still going to happen, the lady told me they have been canceling interviews because of the recent events, but said myself and other will have ours next week because there a few of us who are no where near ATL, but have our interviews there and have to fly in. I am going to bring my physch there and hope they will take it otherwise I do not know who to give these forms to

[LDIMATTI]

Just got the call. Start on the 18th.

Good luck to all


:)


NYFO?? When do you go to phase 1? Just curious what payband they started you at? Thanks and GOOD LUCK!

[maximuslab]

I thought it would be interesting to monitor those who have tested during the hiring blitz. So, anyone who's tested at the Hyatt Dulles between July 24th and August 4th post when you tested, your background, and if you've received "the call." Good luck to everyone!! Thanks!

[webjeep]

8 years active USMC
6 Years LE
Working on and just shy of BS

Completed application/BG through AVUE August '05
Ten print cards in the mail June '06
Hring Blitz at the Hyatt 28 July '06
Call for Txcripts, supervisor contacts 4 Aug '06

Still waiting........

[Hitz]

I took the medical exam Fri. and was told my uncorrected vision was 20/30 and my corrected vision was 20/20. Is this good or not? I believe earlier post stated 20/100? I'm just a little and confused and could use a little guidance on this one!!

[oggie505]

that is fine, the higher the second number the worse the vision
20/20-can be less but this is the standard starting point-max corrected
20/30
20/40
20/50.....
20/100-max uncorrected
20/200

It goes like that, so you are way under the limit, then only thin is your near vision. I believe the FAA 2nd class medical just has to be 20/40 near vision I believe, and from what I can tell the FAMs just use the FAA 2nd class medical for near vision

[Hitz]

Thanks!! How's the process going for you so far?

[oggie505]

got my interview in ATL on Thursday. Avue says I am no longer a candidate, but FAMs say I am, go figure.. :confused:

[Hitz]

Working through Avue has been a mess! I'm supposed to leave for Kuwait on the 29th, but I'm going to make an attempt to find a job here in Miami tomorrow. I really want to complete this process. I'll call and attempt to see where I am as far as status wise tomorrow as well. I completed the panel interview, urine test, and medical..I guess that leaves the psychologist interview and PT assessment test.

[oggie505]

Hitz, check your pm's

[Hitz]

oggie I sent a reply!!! Hope it helps

[MarcDominic]

Do you guys know where I can find all the information I wrote down about admitted drug use. I remember submitting something in Avue in the BI section about frequency of use, time frame, number of times etc. I can't find it now. I got a letter from the medical branch and I have to explain my admitted drug use to them so they can process the physical I took. I just want the information to match up. It was a while ago, so I'm having a hard time remembering how many times I tried what I tried (marijuana; and shrooms once) and the time frame I did it in.

I also have to go back to the place and get my uncorrected near vision done :mad:

[oggie505]

only place that you can pull that info off is from the BI I think??? Also what was your near vision corrected and un corrected?

[INTHEAIRCOP]

I would be surprised if the FAM service hired you with the past history of the drug use.

[maximuslab]

I know FAMs who were hired who had a drug history. As long as it wasn't too recent (or so they've told me) you should be ok.

[DaShadoes]

Anyone have an idea what the average starting pay would be(ballpark) for a police officer with 10 years exp?

[MarcDominic]

I would be surprised if the FAM service hired you with the past history of the drug use.

I smoked pot occasionally in high school and the first couple years of college. I tried shrooms once when I was 15 or 16. I wrote all this down on my initial application in avue, so they knew this already. If my drug history was that big of a deal, wouldn't they have just DQ'd me off the bat and not let me get this far in the process?

[MarcDominic]

only place that you can pull that info off is from the BI I think??? Also what was your near vision corrected and un corrected?

My near corrected vision is 20/20. They never tested my near uncorrected vision.

[Patrio72]

I did experiment with marijuana 5 times while in college and that was the only illegal substance I tried. The SF-86 asks,

"Since the age of 16 or in the last 7 years, whichever is shorter, have you illegally used any controlled substance, for example, marijuana, cocaine,
crack cocaine, hashish, narcotics (opium, morphine, codeine, heroin, etc.), amphetamines, depressants (barbiturates, methaqualone, tranquilizers,
etc.), hallucinogenics (LSD, PCP, etc.), or prescription drugs?"

I am 34 and the last time was in 1996. Will I have an opportunity to sit down with a BI and discuss this or should I just answer Yes even though it was more than 7 years ago?

Patriot72

[oggie505]

Well just answer whatr it asks, if it was over 7 years ago, then you can answer no. For the BI all they want is the truth. So if it was over 7 years ago, honestly they do not really care about that.




Great, I just had my interview moved from Thursday the 24th to Sept 14th, now my plane ticket is shot to hell, and have to spend more money for a new one

[maximuslab]

After waiting a few weeks I finally decided to call the FAMS to get a status of my app. after completing everything. The man on the phone in the field office (who was present during testing) told me that the case manager at HQ decide who goes to the hiring panel and that I should just sit tight. He said not hearing anything isn't a bad thing at all.

So guess what happened three hours later? The case manager at HQ contacted me and asked me to fax over some documents so he could rush over my file to the the hiring panel at HQ....he said the hiring panels meet every Tues. and Thu. and it takes anywhere from 1-3 weeks to decide.

Hope this helps everyone!

Back to waiting....hehe

[INTHEAIRCOP]

From my understanding pot is not to much of a problem but any other drug is. I bet if you said cocaine you would never get a job in any angency. For example: The FBI wil not hire anyone with any past history of any drug.(That is what I heard)

Let us know if you get the job because I am interested in your outcome.

[MassVet]

Ok here is my situation update.


Completed medical on june 20th.


Waited

Waited

Got a Fedex to sign my medical release on August 12th

Got mad on August 20th and called QTC. They said they were waiting for a release from the MD who did my medical. Called the MD office and was given the runaround. Called QTC who said that my medical exam was signed by the MD assistant and not the MD. (MUST BE SIGNED BY MD). Will call tomorrow to tear into somebody ....politely!!!



We will see.

[ncmotorcop]

has anyone heard a number of openings in the fam. and the starting pay. i just finished my app.

[drepol]

has anyone heard a number of openings in the fam. and the starting pay. i just finished my app.
Do a search on the board, this topic has been discussed as naseum

[MassVet]

Went to the doctors office at 1pm and requested that they fax my Medical and they did, then i told them to call and confirm reciept. After that the woman on the receiving end told me that she would forward it today. At 2pm after getting home I got a call, they want my transcripts and a statement about a 4 years prior OUI offense and my DD214. It is on the way tonight by fax. I was told by the calling FAM that my package, if recieved by tomorrow would get to the hiring board soon.


Call the medical and make sure they are on your stuff fellas!

[Bollix]

Anyone get a call? . I know FAM HR has been sending out calls this week. GL all!!!!

[Patrio72]

I finally was able to schedule my medical. One step closer to "the call". Since I qualify at the G band only, will I be required to fax in my college transcripts at some point in time?

Patriot72

[Bollix]

Yes, its the last thing they ask for before your file goes to the hiring panel.

[jrnwaarmy]

bollix,
so we are almost on same boat waiting for the result, job offer !!!!!!!!hopefully!

[maximuslab]

i also just faxed in final documents but they weren't my transcripts. I was informed to fax in a couple of statements and to do it asap so my file can be rushed over to the hiring panel. I noticed that most people had to fax in their transcripts but I wasn't required to do so. Is this because I sent in copies to their Takoma, WA locations when i initially applied on AVUE?

Anyway, my file is with the hiring panel so I am with you guys and waiting! Good luck to all!

[Bollix]

Got the call already, resigned from my current job yesterday. Fingers crossed for the rest of you guys & gals

[Patrio72]

Congrats Bollix! What FO did you get and when do you report?

So do they ask for your transcripts to verify you received a degree?

[INTHEAIRCOP]

Do you have to ask? He is going to New York or D.C.

[MassVet]

same boat, my things went to the Hiring panel today. waiting for the call.



Bollix, how long from when you faxed the papers to when you got the call?

[Bollix]

2 weeks give or take.

[jrnwaarmy]

2 weeks give or take.


way to go bolix!! thanks for the info and hope you still post some update for us who's waiting!!!

[SPRAT911]

I am like many of you playing the FAM hurry up and wait game. I am just interested in how many of you had your packets go to the panel this week and if you have heard anything to this point as the your packets status? Thank and good luck.

[jmk421]

Hello everyone! I've been reading this board for awhile and finally decided to post something.

I've been in the process since Oct 05.
I've completed:

Fingerprints/transcripts: 6/15 (I had my transcripts sent to the FAMS figuring that they would want them. I noticed they attached a PDF file of my official transcripts to my app)
Interview: 6/20
Psych: 6/20 (no hour debriefing)
Medical: 8/1

My Medical was forwarded to the FAMS a week ago and now I’m just waiting on the call to schedule my PTA.

I was wondering if I should give the FO a call to check my status.
I believe I read (on the 9/11 forum) that some people were offered positions without completing the whole processes. Is this possible? And does anyone know of someone that had that happen?

Thanks for all the posts and keep the info coming!

[jrnwaarmy]

I am like many of you playing the FAM hurry up and wait game. I am just interested in how many of you had your packets go to the panel this week and if you have heard anything to this point as the your packets status? Thank and good luck.

just completed my packet tuesday and the guy i talked to said that it will be submitted this week to the panel.

[SPRAT911]

If you are just waiting for your PTA, call your FO. I know that the LAFO was able to schedule the PTA fairly quickly for those intervals that called and asked to schdule them.

[SPRAT911]

jrnwaarmy, I guess we are in the same boat. Hey, keep us informed if you hear anything. Good luck

[jrnwaarmy]

jrnwaarmy, I guess we are in the same boat. Hey, keep us informed if you hear anything. Good luck
just pm you

[INTHEAIRCOP]

Hey guys!, some good news just came out today, "I can now wear jeans to work!" Things are getting better in the FAM service.


If you did not know, the new director got rid of the dress policy and now FAMs can wear what ever they want.

[igneous]

Hey guys!, some good news just came out today, "I can now wear jeans to work!" Things are getting better in the FAM service.


If you did not know, the new director got rid of the dress policy and now FAMs can wear what ever they want.
I also heard that the hotel policy is changing as well.

[usmc1775]

I got a call yesterday from background guys asking for my transcript. I really thought I failed the Psych. He said that was a really common feeling.

I got the call this morning to take the PRA at the Atlanta FO this monday morning. I am on active duty in Cali, and just happen to be in Atlanta this weekend. I managed to change my flight so that I will make the test. This is the last thing I have to do for the process.

[maximuslab]

am i the only one who hasn't been asked for transcripts and still had his file sent to the hiring panel? Is this because I sent them in when I first applied?

[usmc1775]

CNN American Morning is talking about the new FAMS dress code, and how to spot an Air Marshal.....

[psycho1000r]

CNN American Morning is talking about the new FAMS dress code, and how to spot an Air Marshal.....

lovely, gotta love the media... :rolleyes:

[maximuslab]

I just received an email this morning that "We regret to inform you that, at this phase of the assessment process, better qualified applicants are being considered for Federal Air Marshal vacancies" after my file was sent to the hiring panel this week.

I know that Avue sucks and I also know that alot of guys have received this email and were still hired. Any know if there's a way of checking the validity of this email?

[Hitz]

Maximuslab...
How upsetting, I would call AVUE right now!!
253-573-1877

[maximuslab]

I did EVERYTHING in one day during the hiring blitz, including the panel interview, SAIC interview, psych, medical, everything. What I don't understand then is why in that email it also said, "Accordingly, you are asked to cancel any appointments associated with medical and/or psychological screenings currently pending." I completed all of this during that all day hiring event. :confused:

[manstown]

What you have to understand is that with these "blitzs", the FAMS can now be a little more picky with who they want to hire because of the number of people going. It may be a mistake, it may not. Because people finish the whole process doesn't mean they are given the job. I hope all works out for you.

[maximuslab]

manstown,

thanks, i appreciate it. I know nothing was guaranteed or expected. I have been cautiously optimistic during this entire process. But since I've been reading other guys have gotten the same email (even after they've been hired) and eventually get hired it's sort of hard to take, you know?

[maximuslab]

Ahhh geez, AVUE called me back and said that the rejection email was correct. I've been deemed not a qualified candidate anymore and that they're looking for "better" candidates....OUCH!!!!

I guess when they said they're looking for diversity that was just a bunch of crap (do I sound bitter? hahaha). I am not military or law enforcement so that's probably why.

Good luck to all of you out there...keep on truckin'! :)

[vegas041st]

Does anyony know how well you have to do to pass the pt test? do you have to do "excellent" in all the catagories? What does the test all contain? how long does it take?