Air Marshal Job Open !

[gonefishin]

Rumor has it all new hires are going to D.C. or N.Y Reason being fams are getting ****ed that new hires are going to fo's they have been waiting years to get to. Now, fo's that are not dc or ny are going to be filled by transfers
I really hope thats true....

[Shelby Cobra]

170 more hires between New York and DC this fiscal year. Taking apps again this NOV If you are still in the pipeline it is undecided what you have to redo but I know you wont have to retake the test but everything else is still up in the air.
Do you know if they will give the "referred for selection" candidates from the Jan 09 vacancy announcement first shot for the new hiring announcement?

[dtown101]

my mistake, i misunderstood what you wrote, but to be precise, just to piggy back on what mans said....i dont know how they do it any other FOs but at wfo we SIGN a contract saying we cant go to any other fO until we have completed 3 years at our FO...dont know why your so set on arguing this matter....

[airisfine]

Do you know if they will give the "referred for selection" candidates from the Jan 09 vacancy announcement first shot for the new hiring announcement?

That would make sense to most people, to give you first dibs but when asking these questions think about this. If it makes senses, normally the fams do the exact opposite. Sure it makes sense and would probably save money and is fair but they dont care, its not their money. I would say at best 50/50

[airisfine]

just to piggy back on what mans said....i dont know how they do it any other FOs but at wfo we SIGN a contract saying we cant go to any other fO until we have completed 3 years at our FO...dont know why your so set on arguing this matter....

[williamske]

I called HR yesterday to see if I am still in the system. The guy was very helpful. He even put me on hold to talk to his supervisor. He said I was still active and referred for selection and that FAMS will call when they have more spots open. I do not know how to interpret that information. Maybe they will pull from the already active list before taking on new applicants. But either way they have not removed me from their eligible applicant pool. He told me the people who were removed from the process were the ones who did not complete their panel by the September deadline mentioned earlier. Who knows...

[ThanAgain]

conflicting reports everywhere.... who knows maybe we will get called one day. But for now I am just not going to think about it

[Devil Nuts]

Very conflicting information. I applied under the Feb 09 announcement, and was given the COE in July. I called HR today to check on the status of my application. HR notified me that my application was still "active" and my credit check was still pending. I heard rumors about the Sept deadline, but HR is still telling me the application is in the works. Very confused to say the least.

[Shelby Cobra]

Don't worry guys, I think those of us still in the selection process will eventually get calls. I remember when I went to my panel interview, one of the FAMS told us that he did not get a call until 6 months after having passed the panel interview. He told us to just be patient, and unless someone receives a letter rejecting their application, we should receive a call eventually. He said some applicants get called up right away, whereas some don't get called up for months. I called HR too last week, and they told me that as long as there is not a red X on your candidate dashboard, you are still being considered, and once spots open up for classes, they will call you.

[justdoitking]

Do not bet on it, as nothing is for sure with the service.

[Shelby Cobra]

Does anyone know when the dashboard is coming back online?

[seanjohn]

I called HR yesterday to see if I am still in the system. The guy was very helpful. He even put me on hold to talk to his supervisor. He said I was still active and referred for selection and that FAMS will call when they have more spots open. I do not know how to interpret that information. Maybe they will pull from the already active list before taking on new applicants. But either way they have not removed me from their eligible applicant pool. He told me the people who were removed from the process were the ones who did not complete their panel by the September deadline mentioned earlier. Who knows...

I was told almost the same thing, I am hoping that is correct information. I was still flying over referred for selection when Dashboard went down so I guess I can just hope for the best>

[dtown101]

from what i heard yesterday 40 more new hires are to be in the office by jan 2010...take my info how you want but dont question it...ive given good info throughout this forum...

[seanjohn]

from what i heard yesterday 40 more new hires are to be in the office by jan 2010...take my info how you want but dont question it...ive given good info throughout this forum...

Hey Dtown, Would you happen to know if those 40 have been contacted yet or if that is 40 from the referred for selection gang? And I assume you are talking about Wash FO?

[dtown101]

Hey Dtown, Would you happen to know if those 40 have been contacted yet or if that is 40 from the referred for selection gang? And I assume you are talking about Wash FO?

im assuming they have NOT been called yet and yes your correct on the FO

[ACYV223]

from what i heard yesterday 40 more new hires are to be in the office by jan 2010...take my info how you want but dont question it...ive given good info throughout this forum...

that is great news! I know at least 8-10 ppl on this forum that have been selected for WFO and have completed all pre-employment checks. I hope we all get picked up. Thanks for the info dtown.

[SigFoo]

Hopefully there are additional slots that will open up for NYFO but I'm not holding my breath...

[brickster720]

that is great news! I know at least 8-10 ppl on this forum that have been selected for WFO and have completed all pre-employment checks. I hope we all get picked up. Thanks for the info dtown.

Hope that includes me! the med office still hasn't returned my emails from a few weeks ago to let me know what the medical officer said.

anyone have any suggestions to check my status since the dash is down?

[Shelby Cobra]

Hope that includes me! the med office still hasn't returned my emails from a few weeks ago to let me know what the medical officer said.

anyone have any suggestions to check my status since the dash is down?

You can call the TSA HR number and they may be able to help you out. If not, call your local field office.

[nevet]

Has the LA field office hired anyone from the Jan 09 announcement?

[brickster720]

You can call the TSA HR number and they may be able to help you out. If not, call your local field office.

OY! It seems the intarwebs are against me here... Called HR and they said I'm still pending on medical. Called medical (finally got someoene to pick up), and they said they sent notification to HR almost a month ago! They said they would resend it, but I'm not sure how this is going to delay me even further.

Good grief

[USArmy56]

Anyone hear of any new announcements coming soon?

[echat12]

OY! It seems the intarwebs are against me here... Called HR and they said I'm still pending on medical. Called medical (finally got someoene to pick up), and they said they sent notification to HR almost a month ago! They said they would resend it, but I'm not sure how this is going to delay me even further.

Good grief

once you are on board, you will realize how much HR has to do, and one month will seem like nothing. They are still sorting a bunch of stuff out with those of us just hired, especially since some are leaving for training this week. Be patient. :)

[brickster720]

once you are on board, you will realize how much HR has to do, and one month will seem like nothing. They are still sorting a bunch of stuff out with those of us just hired, especially since some are leaving for training this week. Be patient. :)

yeah, well if I didn't have to do all of this medical stuff, I'd be right there with you. At least your're already hired!

I'm gonna check back with HR on thursday/friday to see if they sorted it out

[ACYV223]

yeah, well if I didn't have to do all of this medical stuff, I'd be right there with you. At least your're already hired!

I'm gonna check back with HR on thursday/friday to see if they sorted it out

I'm in the same boat as you brickster. I just found out that my MED has been cleared now for a month. HR was telling me the whole time that my MED was pending. I finally talked to someone at FAM MED and they told me I had cleared a month ago. Oh well, I guess we'll just have to wait it out. Good luck.

[lentopoika]

Anyone hear of any new announcements coming soon?

Could someone tell me what are the physical requirements for FAM position. Is there a PT test?
Any idea if Los Angeles will hire any new FAMS?

Thanks!

[POSr]

Could someone tell me what are the physical requirements for FAM position. Is there a PT test?
Any idea if Los Angeles will hire any new FAMS?

Thanks!

Yes. If you scroll through the posts there is a website. 1.5 mile run, pull ups, sit ups, and push ups.

No one knows about hiring. Not even the FAMS.

[MPDCjock]

So when an announcement is opened it doesn't say the duty location?

[FD2FED1977]

So when an announcement is opened it doesn't say the duty location?

Yeah, when the announcement opens, they have certain locations listed.

[MPDCjock]

I see. Thank you FD2FED!

[lentopoika]

Yes. If you scroll through the posts there is a website. 1.5 mile run, pull ups, sit ups, and push ups.

No one knows about hiring. Not even the FAMS.

OK, I will check back into history.
Thanks a lot!

[airisfine]

I was told at the office, taking apps in november for nyo and wfo

[gsxridr2000]

.....cleared medical

[hawk7320]

anyone else waiting for security to clear for final offer? got conditional for NYO. HR says I'm 'sittin pretty' but still no final offer...been about 4 weeks since last contact with security..Any advice?

[cduke1]

Im in the same boat you are. I have cleared everything and waiting for that final offer. I did talk to someone in HR who told me the next bring on date for new hires is Jan 3. So he told me I could check back in a couple of weeks if I hadnt received the call yet. I will let ya know what is happening.

[Shelby Cobra]

Im in the same boat you are. I have cleared everything and waiting for that final offer. I did talk to someone in HR who told me the next bring on date for new hires is Jan 3. So he told me I could check back in a couple of weeks if I hadnt received the call yet. I will let ya know what is happening.

Do you know when ICE will start recruiting again? And if so, how do you apply with them since they do not post their special agent openings on the USAJobs website?

[POSr]

I was told at the office, taking apps in november for nyo and wfo

Thanks for the info.

[hawk7320]

Im in the same boat you are. I have cleared everything and waiting for that final offer. I did talk to someone in HR who told me the next bring on date for new hires is Jan 3. So he told me I could check back in a couple of weeks if I hadnt received the call yet. I will let ya know what is happening.

did they notify you that you cleared security or just waiting for the final offer like I am assuming you cleared? I assume they call with an offer if you clear instead of notifying you that you moved on from security.. I don't know, lately its been confusing

[dtown101]

Do you know when ICE will start recruiting again? And if so, how do you apply with them since they do not post their special agent openings on the USAJobs website?


go to a ICE forum and ask ....

[hawk7320]

Good luck today, everyone...maybe todays the lucky day and a Friday at that!!

[POSr]

go to a ICE forum and ask ....

HA!

[Shelby Cobra]

go to a ICE forum and ask ....

Can you give me the link to their forum?

[Cman21]

Can you give me the link to their forum?

Your FU**ing kidding right? You can't be that helpless can you? If you are, you should't be applying to any of these jobs.

[Shelby Cobra]

Your FU**ing kidding right? You can't be that helpless can you? If you are, you should't be applying to any of these jobs.

No I'm actually serious. Do you have the link?

[POSr]

No I'm actually serious. Do you have the link?

Probably get hired as a supervisor somewhere.

[Shelby Cobra]

Probably get hired as a supervisor somewhere.

LOL !

[Pvt. Cowboy]

I finally got my "Loser Letter" email the other day from FAMS.

I failed on the interview... And I NEVER fail interviews. I'm baffled. :confused:

Oh well... The announcement opens again soon, right? At least I don't have to take the computer test again...

[FD2FED1977]

I finally got my "Loser Letter" email the other day from FAMS.

I failed on the interview... And I NEVER fail interviews. I'm baffled. :confused:

Oh well... The announcement opens again soon, right? At least I don't have to take the computer test again...

Me too....glad they finally got around to sending it. I'll re-apply again, I guess.

[NEGALEO]

I got an email too.. Mine said that, even though I qualified, they filled the position to which I applied. I applied naition wide. You got me??????? I wonder if I have to redo everything.

[Esco]

I got rejection letter as well. I failed the interview as well.
I will reapply. I work as an Leo and know how to interview.
Next time I know exactly what needs to be done to pass.

[williamske]

For those of you that are receiving letters...

Were you ever hovering over the "referred for selection" spot?

[cduke1]

Well i guess since I didnt recieve an email im still in the running. Well lets hope. Still hoping to hear something for Jan 3. I will call today and let ya know what i find out.

[Esco]

Yeah I was referred for selection. After the
the interview for about a week. Then I checked back and it said I failed the
the interview red X style. I know a couple of folks who passed the interview that got emails that said there were better qualifed candidates.

[UpIGo]

I received a call from HR three weeks ago with my final offer and was asked to be at the WFO the first Monday in January. So, calls are still going out to those that didn't make the first round of calls...I was told my clearances didn't come through before they had already filled this years classes

[hawk7320]

yeah, I heard today of the Jan 3rd report date with an academy class to follow the same week. Still, waiten on security to clear me...been nearly four weeks!!! and already have a secret clearance from military...anyone else in the same boat waiten this long for security?:rolleyes:

[hawk7320]

I received a call from HR three weeks ago with my final offer and was asked to be at the WFO the first Monday in January. So, calls are still going out to those that didn't make the first round of calls...I was told my clearances didn't come through before they had already filled this years classes

hey, how long was your security check? I mean from the time you turned in all e-quip to your final?

[UpIGo]

Well, I never actually received notice of my security clearance, I was only informed of my medical clearance. But it was between two and three weeks that I received notice that my medical was cleared and I called HR the next day and was told that I would be in this January class...then a week later I got their final offer. So, I'm assuming my security clearance was mixed in there at some point. The turnaround was about 5 weeks from the time I completed eQip to my final offer.

[manstown]

You won't hear about you clearance starting until you get to the Academy. It doesn't matter if you've had one from anywhere else. They do their own. It is almost scary to think that you could get through the Academy, start flying only to have them find something in your background and lose your job. From the day they started mine, while I was in ACY, to the day I received the email saying I was good to go and to signed the paperwork, was over a year. Almost a year and a half now that I think about it.

[brickster720]

yeah, I heard today of the Jan 3rd report date with an academy class to follow the same week. Still, waiten on security to clear me...been nearly four weeks!!! and already have a secret clearance from military...anyone else in the same boat waiten this long for security?:rolleyes:

After my whole snafu last week with HR & medical not playing nice with each other, I was told to contact a specific person within recruiting. Response I got was that I will receive notification of upcoming classes. not sure if that was just an ambivalent response, or an indicator of things to come

Hawk, was yours a report date, or did you just hear that Jan 3 is the next one?

[hawk7320]

I was told by recruiting Jan 3 was a report date for new hires but was not my final offer. I was then told the academy would begin that week also. I'm still waiting for security as I cleared medical probably 4-5 weeks ago.

[brickster720]

isn't the initial security just a basic NCIC run though?

[ST84]

Hi everyone first time poster long time reader here. I applied under the Jan 09 announcement and was referred for selection on the dashboard. But I have not herd anything since then. Does anyone know if calls went out for Newark, NJ I have not seen any posted. Also the candidate dashboard has been down for a long time is anyone aware when it will be fixed. Thanks for any information.

[NEGALEO]

Looks like everyone being hired is from up north and going to Washington or New York.

[Cman21]

For those of you that have contacted HR to get updated on your status, what is a good number to call? Thanks

[Shelby Cobra]

TSA DASHBOARD BACK UP !!!!

Dashboard is back up again, meaning they are probably getting ready to start up the hiring process again.

[shaw77]

TSA DASHBOARD BACK UP !!!!

Dashboard is back up again, meaning they are probably getting ready to start up the hiring process again.

Can anyone provide the link for dashboard? I did a google search and nothing is there except an explanation on TWIC. Thanks.

[Nino06]

https://tsajobs.tsa.dhs.gov/CandidateDashboard/cdLogin.aspx

[SigFoo]

Well, I'm still in "Pre-hire background investigation" purgatory.

[williamske]

They got rid of the little plane. I liked the little plane which represented "In Process" lol. Anyway, I am still referred for selection. Dashboard may have just been down for updates.

For anyone that received the "thanks but no thanks letter" I am sorry that sucks - but no reason to give up. Keep trying.

[Shelby Cobra]

They got rid of the little plane. I liked the little plane which represented "In Process" lol. Anyway, I am still referred for selection. Dashboard may have just been down for updates.

For anyone that received the "thanks but no thanks letter" I am sorry that sucks - but no reason to give up. Keep trying.

Nah, I like the star better.

[brickster720]

Well, I'm still in "Pre-hire background investigation" purgatory.

I wish i were in that purgatory... i'm still "in process" for medical, even though I've had it confirmed by that office that it was done over a month ago

[hawk7320]

still got a star above pre-hire background...lets hope its over final offer soon!! would be so nice to get a call this week...good luck everyone

[NEGALEO]

Can anyone advise how to log onto the candidate dashboard for the first time?

[Static]

I can't find the job listing, either, even after plugging in all that very specific information.

I talked to the DHS at a job fair recently, and they said this announcement won't be made until November... though she could have been wrong.

Anyone know how to apply?

[Shelby Cobra]

Can anyone advise how to log onto the candidate dashboard for the first time?

You get the login information when you apply for a job with the TSA. Once you have been given a contingent offer of employment, you will get an email with the username and password. You cannot logon to dashboard if you have not received a conditional offer.

[Shelby Cobra]

I can't find the job listing, either, even after plugging in all that very specific information.

I talked to the DHS at a job fair recently, and they said this announcement won't be made until November... though she could have been wrong.

Anyone know how to apply?

The FAM position will be posted on USAJOBS.com only. The announcement should be there in the next couple of weeks. When you go to USAJOBS.com, just type in "Federal Air Marshal," and the vacancy announcement will come up.

[TheKansan]

The FAM position will be posted on USAJOBS.com only. The announcement should be there in the next couple of weeks. When you go to USAJOBS.com, just type in "Federal Air Marshal," and the vacancy announcement will come up.

Quick question. Will this be hiring primarily for the DC, NYC area again? Will they be doing any hiring for Chicago?

[Static]

Quick question. Will this be hiring primarily for the DC, NYC area again? Will they be doing any hiring for Chicago?

Unfortunately, just DC and NY at the moment, or so goes the rumor here.

The lady I talked to at the job fair said they're hiring 150 new Federal Air Marshalls, and someone here said 240. Either way, that's a LOT of airplane cops to put into just two cities.

[Bearcat357]

that's a LOT of airplane cops to put into just two cities.

Not with the current turn-over rates.... ;)

[BPD Once]

I hear the newbies are dropping like flies because stuff is being found in their backgrounds. Amazing to see turnover in a group that has yet to complete training.

[rampage918]

The FAM position will be posted on USAJOBS.com only. The announcement should be there in the next couple of weeks. When you go to USAJOBS.com, just type in "Federal Air Marshal," and the vacancy announcement will come up.

This is good news! NY and frequent traveling sounds like a career to me. I hope i catch the opening right away! Thanks

[MPDCjock]

I with you rampage! Being assigned to the NYFO would be my first choice. I also really think I'd enjoy the job.

[TheKansan]

I was just reading over the prior announcement, and I noticed that the TSA doesn't use the GS pay scales. I was just trying to figure out what journeyman base pay was for air marshals. I'm sure it is mentioned earlier in this thread.

[Shelby Cobra]

I hear the newbies are dropping like flies because stuff is being found in their backgrounds. Amazing to see turnover in a group that has yet to complete training.

Well, what type of background stuff get's you disqualified?

[echat12]

I was told by recruiting Jan 3 was a report date for new hires but was not my final offer. I was then told the academy would begin that week also. I'm still waiting for security as I cleared medical probably 4-5 weeks ago.

I believe the Jan class date is Jan 12th. There are still some people in my hiring class who are attending that class.

[echat12]

I hear the newbies are dropping like flies because stuff is being found in their backgrounds. Amazing to see turnover in a group that has yet to complete training.

Um, not sure where you're hearing things. I'm one of the new class ppl. We haven't lost anyone yet, nor has the class right before us. At least not for those reasons.

[Jarhead_FBI_SA]

You get the login information when you apply for a job with the TSA. Once you have been given a contingent offer of employment, you will get an email with the username and password. You cannot logon to dashboard if you have not received a conditional offer.

Back when the Dashboard was actually working...I got a log on invite about two days after the closing date of the announcement. I didn't have a conditional offer...unless nobody told me.

Addendum: This is for an 0132 Intel position.

[UpIGo]

For those of you that are/were in DC for a few weeks before heading out to FLETC, where did you guys stay? A local extended stay hotel near the office?

[POSr]

For those of you that are/were in DC for a few weeks before heading out to FLETC, where did you guys stay? A local extended stay hotel near the office?

Just another question in regards to the work schedule. Please feel to PM me if you don't want to make it public.

If you're working as a FAM, do you have a preference about what airports you work out of?

For example. If I live closer to BWI than Reagan, can I request to work out of BWI?

This is assuming that BWI is covered by the WFO, which I can't imagine it isn't....

[manstown]

You'll fly out of all the airports under WFO. 3 years ago, they put you closest to where you lived. But now, which is up to par with screwing the Flying FAMs, they tell you where you'll be flying out of. I lived by BWI and they let me pick BWI back then. But a good majority of my flights were out of Reagan. That is the bread and butter of DC given it's location. I think what they do now is tell you where they want you to fly out of and then after 6 months or a year you can choose.

[POSr]

You'll fly out of all the airports under WFO. 3 years ago, they put you closest to where you lived. But now, which is up to par with screwing the Flying FAMs, they tell you where you'll be flying out of. I lived by BWI and they let me pick BWI back then. But a good majority of my flights were out of Reagan. That is the bread and butter of DC given it's location. I think what they do now is tell you where they want you to fly out of and then after 6 months or a year you can choose.

Thanks, much appreciated...

Assuming that I actually get the job, I'd like to not move, if possible. Reagan's a commute, but BWI's actually do-able... But, gives me a good idea.

Thanks again!

[hawk7320]

anybody heard anymore word from HR or Recruiting? Any ideas when possible phone calls might go out with a class in January? :cool:

[hawk7320]

maybe today????

[INTHEAIRCOP]

I was just reading over the prior announcement, and I noticed that the TSA doesn't use the GS pay scales. I was just trying to figure out what journeyman base pay was for air marshals. I'm sure it is mentioned earlier in this thread.


We are sopposed to go over to the GS pay this or next year I hear. That is great news! The way the system is set up is a mess. For example, I have been here close to 8 years and I have not had a raise since I made I band back in 2004. Another example, I flew with a new guy last week and he is making more then I am and he has only been a FAM for a year. He did not come from a prior fed job, he was a street cop prior to this job."I WAS MAD AS HELL WHEN HE TOLD ME WHAT HE WAS BEING PAID!"

[INTHEAIRCOP]

HERE IS A QUESTION? How in the heck can a new FAM make more then a FAM who has been here since 2001?

Don't tell me because he was a street cop! I also was a street cop! This agency is so messed up when it comes to this FAA pay band pay scale! I will be so happy once we go over to the GS pay scale.

So you new guys better get over here before we go over to the GS. Once we go over to the GS then all the new hires will be payed the same and they will be on the same page as every other federal job.

It kind of makes me mad when one FAM is making $110,000 a year and the next FAM is making $90,000 grand a year and they were both hired the same day. Firgure this one out for me and then call Obama.

[TheKansan]

We are sopposed to go over to the GS pay this or next year I hear. That is great news! The way the system is set up is a mess. For example, I have been here close to 8 years and I have not had a raise since I made I band back in 2004. Another example, I flew with a new guy last week and he is making more then I am and he has only been a FAM for a year. He did not come from a prior fed job, he was a street cop prior to this job."I WAS MAD AS HELL WHEN HE TOLD ME WHAT HE WAS BEING PAID!"

HERE IS A QUESTION? How in the heck can a new FAM make more then a FAM who has been here since 2001?

Don't tell me because he was a street cop! I also was a street cop! This agency is so messed up when it comes to this FAA pay band pay scale! I will be so happy once we go over to the GS pay scale.

So you new guys better get over here before we go over to the GS. Once we go over to the GS then all the new hires will be payed the same and they will be on the same page as every other federal job.

It kind of makes me mad when one FAM is making $110,000 a year and the next FAM is making $90,000 grand a year and they were both hired the same day. Firgure this one out for me and then call Obama.

Sorry to hear about the inequities. Considering CBPO's and BPA's are now GS-12's, do you think the journeyman pay for FAMs will be GS-13?

[INTHEAIRCOP]

Sorry to hear about the inequities. Considering CBPO's and BPA's are now GS-12's, do you think the journeyman pay for FAMs will be GS-13?

I was told 13 but I would not be surprised if it was 12. We all know we FAMs do not do the same job as a real 1811 but we have the same job description as an 1811. "I say again, we do not do the job as an 1811 or have cases, but our job description is just about the same", so they say we will be 13s.
I take it OPM will decide what a FAM journey man level will be. The consensus is GS13 for the FAM service due to our job description and the large amount of money we make here. Most of the FAMs who are here make over a hundred grand a year salary.
I just hope the pay will change over to GS so I can get a pay raise. I like the idea of step increases every few years or so. The way we are set up now is a joke. How in the heck can I be stuck at the same salary since 2004?

[Cman21]

I was told 13 but I would not be surprised if it was 12. We all know we FAMs do not do the same job as a real 1811 but we have the same job description as an 1811. "I say again, we do not do the job as an 1811 or have cases, but our job description is just about the same", so they say we will be 13s.
I take it OPM will decide what a FAM journey man level will be. The consensus is GS13 for the FAM service due to our job description and the large amount of money we make here. Most of the FAMs who are here make over a hundred grand a year salary.
I just hope the pay will change over to GS so I can get a pay raise. I like the idea of step increases every few years or so. The way we are set up now is a joke. How in the heck can I be stuck at the same salary since 2004?

You get COLA correct?

[Wrangler81]

next announcement is sometime next month, corrrect?

[Blind Justice]

Checked dashboard... Still "Referred for Selection" :)

I guess no news is good news.

[williamske]

Checked dashboard... Still "Referred for Selection" :)

I guess no news is good news.

Same here :cool:

Blind - You were also waiting for newark right?

[Cman21]

Same here :cool:

Blind - You were also waiting for newark right?

I spoke to someone in HR the other day and someone from the Newark office, he is either a FAM or HR, he scheduled my PT and Panel and was there the day I had them. He said Newark could be a wait and to just reapply when the next announcement comes out to be safe. It didn't sound good for Newark. The HR rep said I would still be referred for hire once the new announcement comes out but to reapply and I will not have to go thru all the steps again. I don't know how accurate that is coming rom HR because they can be uncertain at times.

[williamske]

I have heard a lot of things over the past couple of months. I have a good job so I am in no rush. Plus I am starting my application process with the USSS. I would think Spring time would be a good estimate for Newark candidates. I will also reapply just in case when the new announcement comes out, but I have also been informed by several people I will not have to redo all the steps again. I would pick up where I left off at the referred for selection step.

[TheKansan]

After not hearing a word for 8 months, I got an official rejection email for the 2/2009 FAM hiring process today :)

[TheKansan]

I was just reading over the prior announcement, and I noticed that the TSA doesn't use the GS pay scales. I was just trying to figure out what journeyman base pay was for air marshals. I'm sure it is mentioned earlier in this thread.

Ok, I answered my own question:

http://www.tsa.gov/join/careers/pay_scales.shtm

Pay Band Minimum Maximum
A $16,831 $24,608
B $19,281 $28,124
C $21,839 $32,811
D $25,141 $37,711
E $28,869 $43,357
F $33,130 $49,748
G $38,776 $60,081
H $47,298 $73,291
I $57,631 $89,376
J $70,309 $108,977
K $84,050 $130,283
L $100,455 $153,200
M $118,459 $153,200

[Shelby Cobra]

After not hearing a word for 8 months, I got an official rejection email for the 2/2009 FAM hiring process today :)

What was your status with TSA or on the dashboard?

[Blind Justice]

Same here :cool:

Blind - You were also waiting for newark right?

I wanted LA or NYC, but will take anything... =)

[TheKansan]

What was your status with TSA or on the dashboard?

It just said "Resume Received" on the USAJOBS application status. I never received anything after I faxed my transcripts, which leads me to believe there was some sort of issue with the fax. I know I more than met the minimum qualifications for the position.

I'll apply again in the future.

[Shelby Cobra]

It just said "Resume Received" on the USAJOBS application status. I never received anything after I faxed my transcripts, which leads me to believe there was some sort of issue with the fax. I know I more than met the minimum qualifications for the position.

I'll apply again in the future.

That really sucks man. Next time, I would call them after submitting all documents just to make sure they received it. In fact, I remember when I submitted a "certain" document, some lady from HR called me to confirm that she had received it. If it makes you feel any better, the first time I applied to a FAM position in 2008, I went through the same stuff you just did. I sent in all my paperwork, and 8 months later I received a "we have enough qualified applicants at the moment" notice. But when I applied in the Feb 09 announcement, they responded with a contingent offer of employment. Anyways, keep trying and good luck.

[cduke1]

Just got my "Final Offer" call. Report on date is Jan 3. to DC. If anyone else gets a call, pm me. I think we have to stay in DC for almost 2 weeks before class starts. Good luck to rest of you guys.

[ACYV223]

Just got my "Final Offer" call. Report on date is Jan 3. to DC. If anyone else gets a call, pm me. I think we have to stay in DC for almost 2 weeks before class starts. Good luck to rest of you guys.

Congrats cduke1!! I will keep my phone next to me all day today!

[hawk7320]

Congrats CDuke1!! Thats cool...maybe I'll get lucky today too....how long has it been since you turned in your E-Quip to now?

[cduke1]

I turned in my E-quip in late august. But I think my medical held me up because I didnt complete it till Sep 4. So I probably didnt make the cutoff date for the last class. Or at least thats what I think, who knows! But I was told that calls would go out all this week. So for those of you who are in the final stage and just waiting for the "Final Offer" call, keep your phones are hips.

[SigFoo]

I turned in my E-quip in late august. But I think my medical held me up because I didnt complete it till Sep 4. So I probably didnt make the cutoff date for the last class. Or at least thats what I think, who knows! But I was told that calls would go out all this week. So for those of you who are in the final stage and just waiting for the "Final Offer" call, keep your phones are hips.

I so hope you are right - I could use a late birthday present right now.

Good luck!

[frankf01]

Wrangler....I have heard the same info....but no real way to know when!?

[ACYV223]

I just got the final offer call! See you in DC guys! Good luck to all that are still waiting for their call.

[cduke1]

I just got the final offer call! See you in DC guys! Good luck to all that are still waiting for their call.

Congrats man, guess ill see ya there!

[danthony]

Congrats to you guys. I actually got the same call today but had to turn it down. My wife just got a huge promotion and it just wouldn't benefit us to up and move right now. It was nice getting the call but hopefully that frees my spot up for one of y'all.

[williamske]

congrats everyone! still waiting here. But I am happy for everyone else.

[Grover77]

Congrats to all who have recently received the final offer call.

Think I'm in the "referred for selection" abyss having had no change on dashboard since August. Anyone else (besides Williamske) in same boat? Guess the no news is good news cliche is in play, but as time passes seems there's greater likelihood we could be back to square one when new announcement comes out (minus having to re-take computer test). If anyone else has any other thoughts/news please advise.

Best of luck to all.

[Blind Justice]

Im still in the ref. for selection stage.

Congrats to guys who got calls today!

[gsxridr2000]

I received "The Call" this afternoon.

[TXSKOPI]

got my call yesterday morning! had to wait a day to get my profile on here activated. anyone else reporting to WFO in Jan PM me.

[seanjohn]

Im still in the ref. for selection stage.

Congrats to guys who got calls today!

Same boat as the 3 of you, Referred for Selection from August... Never was invited to begin the medical or Equip soooo I guess we wait and hope.

Congrats to those still getting calls!:)

[WVU Brubbz]

Has anyone that has completed medical and BI not received a call yet?

[SigFoo]

Has anyone that has completed medical and BI not received a call yet?

My BI still shows as in process on dashboard.

[hawk7320]

yep, mine too(background in progress)..are you guys for the New York FO? I am and haven't seen any posting for anyone with a final offer from there yet.. maybe we are coming up next...

[SigFoo]

yep, mine too(background in progress)..are you guys for the New York FO? I am and haven't seen any posting for anyone with a final offer from there yet.. maybe we are coming up next...

Yep - NYFO. I noticed the same thing. I'm willing to go to the WFO as well if that's where they need bodies.

[WVU Brubbz]

yep, mine too(background in progress)..are you guys for the New York FO? I am and haven't seen any posting for anyone with a final offer from there yet.. maybe we are coming up next...

I am in the same boat as you all except I am WFO.

[cduke1]

Guys, I wouldnt worry about dashboard too much. I already got the final offer and mine is still stuck on med. So dont pay attention to that. I dont think they have updated that since the maint. issues.

[SoCAL19]

I've done medical, but still being processed. I assume once its done I'll get the call.

[ACYV223]

Guys, I wouldnt worry about dashboard too much. I already got the final offer and mine is still stuck on med. So dont pay attention to that. I dont think they have updated that since the maint. issues.

I am also still pending MED on dashboard and received the call yesterday. So just keep your phones next to you this week and I think more calls should be going out. Good luck guys.

[hawk7320]

anybody get any calls for NYC today?

[SigFoo]

Haven't heard a chirp

[brickster720]

Just got my "Final Offer" call. Report on date is Jan 3. to DC. If anyone else gets a call, pm me. I think we have to stay in DC for almost 2 weeks before class starts. Good luck to rest of you guys.

I got my call yesterday too... Start 1/4 (mon) at WFO, leave for class 1/13.

unlike you guys, I live within 6 miles of the FO!

[gsxridr2000]

For those that recently got "The Call"......has anyone received the email/hard copy of the final offer?

[brickster720]

For those that recently got "The Call"......has anyone received the email/hard copy of the final offer?

Nope. They said it would be coming via email within a week and a half. Why, you worried about yours not arriving yet? :)

[cduke1]

I got my call yesterday too... Start 1/4 (mon) at WFO, leave for class 1/13.

unlike you guys, I live within 6 miles of the FO!

i guess we are all gonna move in with you for those 2 weeks huh?:)

[Passenger 57]

Hey guys, I've been following this thread for several months and finally registered when I got the call on monday. In a nutshell, everything was going good until medical, which is when they needed me to submit a bunch of extra stuff. That's when I started to get worried. Then, FAM Medical told me I was cleared, the next week I call HR and they say I'm not clear. Then out of the blue on monday I get the call. I'm writing all this to say to anyone who has applied or will apply that the process is long and sometimes frustrating, but just hang in there. If you really want it and believe you have even a slim chance, then go for it. So now like everyone else, I'm waiting for more information on what comes next. All that being said, I now have two questions:

1) Do you need to make your own arrangements to get from your FO to FLETC, or does FAM take care of that?

2) Where in the heck can you stay in NY for a week without paying an arm and/or leg?

02/09 - Application Received
06/09 - Met Qualifications
06/09 - Tentative Offer
07/09 - Passed Criminal/Credit Check
07/09 - Took CBA - passed
08/09 - Panel Interview/PT/ASAC
08/09 - Referred for selection
08/09 - Medical @ WFO
09/09 - Jumping through hoops for Medical
11/09 - Final Offer
01/10 - Report NYFO
01/10 - Report FLETC

[gsxridr2000]

Nope. They said it would be coming via email within a week and a half. Why, you worried about yours not arriving yet? :)


Not worried at all. Just trying to do some short term planning before reporting to FO. I got a long way to relocate and need to get things lined up for the move.

[ACYV223]

For anyone still waiting... it appears that Dashboard has been updated. My BI was actually completed on 9/3/09, but since I had some follow up forms to fill out for MED I missed the first wave. Oh well, I'm just excited to get picked up.

[brickster720]

i guess we are all gonna move in with you for those 2 weeks huh?:)

HAHAHA If only I had the space I would welcome it... under the agreement that you go easy on acing the PFT since I suck at it. I can definitely help people get acclimated and tell them where to go/traffic patterns if anyone needs assistance. And of course show people the best watering holes

Of course there's always my couch. ha!

[brickster720]

Hey guys, I've been following this thread for several months and finally registered when I got the call on monday. In a nutshell, everything was going good until medical, which is when they needed me to submit a bunch of extra stuff. That's when I started to get worried. Then, FAM Medical told me I was cleared, the next week I call HR and they say I'm not clear. Then out of the blue on monday I get the call. I'm writing all this to say to anyone who has applied or will apply that the process is long and sometimes frustrating, but just hang in there. If you really want it and believe you have even a slim chance, then go for it. So now like everyone else, I'm waiting for more information on what comes next. All that being said, I now have two questions:

That is EXACTLY what happened to me. I just figured i'd wait it out, and it looks like it paid off for the both of us

[Blind Justice]

Ive still got a STAR over referred for selection... Still waiting on a call to go to medical... lol

Good luck to all those who are still waiting and heres hoping I see ya in Jan.

[gonefishin]

Hey guys, I've been following this thread for several months and finally registered when I got the call on monday. In a nutshell, everything was going good until medical, which is when they needed me to submit a bunch of extra stuff. That's when I started to get worried. Then, FAM Medical told me I was cleared, the next week I call HR and they say I'm not clear. Then out of the blue on monday I get the call. I'm writing all this to say to anyone who has applied or will apply that the process is long and sometimes frustrating, but just hang in there. If you really want it and believe you have even a slim chance, then go for it. So now like everyone else, I'm waiting for more information on what comes next. All that being said, I now have two questions:

1) Do you need to make your own arrangements to get from your FO to FLETC, or does FAM take care of that?

2) Where in the heck can you stay in NY for a week without paying an arm and/or leg?

02/09 - Application Received
06/09 - Met Qualifications
06/09 - Tentative Offer
07/09 - Passed Criminal/Credit Check
07/09 - Took CBA - passed
08/09 - Panel Interview/PT/ASAC
08/09 - Referred for selection
08/09 - Medical @ WFO
09/09 - Jumping through hoops for Medical
11/09 - Final Offer
01/10 - Report NYFO
01/10 - Report FLETC

FAMS takes care of trasportation between the field office and FLETC
Someone from the FO should be getting in contact with you and they should be able to provide you with a list of possible places to stay....remember that it is New York so not only will you pay an arm and a leg but possibly some internal organs too!

[hawk7320]

Anyone still waiten like I am in the Background slot? Anyone called HR and got any new information?

[SigFoo]

I'm still waiting. Of the 5 emails sent since September I have received exactly zero replies. Calls to HR just tell me that my BI is in process.

[hawk7320]

yeah, they just tell me I'm 'sittin pretty' and background varies on time..

[jb5722]

disregard.

[gsxridr2000]

Candidate Dashboard finally updated my status. Has me completed all steps, even the part: Welcome to TSA, and I have not received my final offer email / hard copy yet. Hmmmm

[SoCAL19]

Medical is checked off, Background is checked off, BIG BLUE STAR in the FINAL OFFER. YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS. No call yet but know its coming.

[brickster720]

Candidate Dashboard finally updated my status. Has me completed all steps, even the part: Welcome to TSA, and I have not received my final offer email / hard copy yet. Hmmmm

It's only been what, 2 days? relax, you waited this long. I know you've got to make plans, but it could be next week before the email shows up.

[Passenger 57]

FAMS takes care of trasportation between the field office and FLETC
Someone from the FO should be getting in contact with you and they should be able to provide you with a list of possible places to stay....remember that it is New York so not only will you pay an arm and a leg but possibly some internal organs too!

I'm quite fond of my internal jiblets...

[1811orBust]

I'm curious, and this might seem silly, but what exactly do air marshalls do? I read some articles I found from googling and it seems like they have very low job satisfaction. Sitting on a plane for 5 hours a day or more sounds miserable.

Have their duties been extended? Why is the job so coveted?

[manstown]

They do exactly what you read. The travel itself isn't that bad. I actually went to some places I would have never expected to go to. But as for the job itself.....you just fly. Yeah there are a few othewr things you can do, but only a few get to do it. 90-95% of FAMs, fly. The job is so coveted , now I'm only guessing, because of the pay and people like to think it's high speed. Hats off to those that stay. But there is a reason when they hire, they hire at a large amount.....high turnover!

[Cman21]

I'm curious, and this might seem silly, but what exactly do air marshalls do? I read some articles I found from googling and it seems like they have very low job satisfaction. Sitting on a plane for 5 hours a day or more sounds miserable.

Have their duties been extended? Why is the job so coveted?

It doesn't hurt that you could be paid $120,000 within just 3 years, with some getting $15,000 tax free. They are also the best shooters and fighters of any agency, skills that are good to bring to another agency down the road.

[brickster720]

For those of you coming into WFO from far away: are you driving here, or flying in?

[Passenger 57]

In addition to the money, I think that the uniqueness of the position is also attractive. There really isn't anything else like it. I would venture to say that most of us on this thread are sheepdogs by nature and like the idea of being the last line of defense in the air. I also think the training is a draw. Personally, I like to shoot and being able to work in an environment that fosters that would definitely be a plus. The flying FAMs I've spoken with throughout the hiring process seemed to thoroughly enjoy what they do, although they were mostly in the Charlotte FO, so they may be a little biased ;). I was lured to this gig by 1) the opportunity to continue to serve my country (I'm prior service) 2) the training 3) the money 4) the unique nature of the mission. When I think of the FAM as compared to say 1811s or other LEOs, I think of playing the goalie position in soccer. You don't see a lot of action, but you gotta be paying attention to the game and when something does happen, you better come through in a big way.

[gms632]

I'm a CBPO and I talk to FAMs quite frequently (and I lived next to a FAM) and I have never talked to one who likes the job. Maybe its because I deal with FAMs who only travel internationally? But, every time I fly I sit next to someone who hogs the arm rest and coughs the entire flight. I imagine sitting on a plane for 14 hours with only 1 earphone on would be absolutely miserable. I'm not slamming the agency by any means (CBP has its flaws)... I respect their position and I'm trying to 'transfers' over to them... but put the pay aside and the job duties are awful... in my opinion. If you’re not a family man/woman and want to travel the world… maybe it’s for you.

[1811orBust]

It doesn't hurt that you could be paid $120,000 within just 3 years, with some getting $15,000 tax free. They are also the best shooters and fighters of any agency, skills that are good to bring to another agency down the road.

To say FAMS have better shooters than say USSS or DS is just silly. You can make that in no-time with many other agencies as an 1811. To me, seems like an awful job, sitting on a plane for hours a day doing nothing. Basically, there is no real job.

My guess is sooner or later FAMS won't exist. Any FLEO is permitted to carry on board an aircraft, I just figured FAMS had another purpose. Guess not.

[SigFoo]

To say FAMS have better shooters than say USSS or DS is just silly. You can make that in no-time with many other agencies as an 1811. To me, seems like an awful job, sitting on a plane for hours a day doing nothing. Basically, there is no real job.

My guess is sooner or later FAMS won't exist. Any FLEO is permitted to carry on board an aircraft, I just figured FAMS had another purpose. Guess not.

I'm getting my popcorn out for the responses to this one...

[1811orBust]

Hey, I am honest. I was hoping to be educated about the job. I've served my country for some time now and to think that the guy sitting on a plane for a living is trained as well as the guy guarding our president is just absurd.

Also, it's a fact that FLEO's can carry. The pilot can state that he doesn't want it, but it never happens.

If I'm incorrect, I'd love to be educated as FAMS seems to be highly coveted around here. I'm just trying to understand why.

[SigFoo]

Hey, I am honest. I was hoping to be educated about the job. I've served my country for some time now and to think that the guy sitting on a plane for a living is trained as well as the guy guarding our president is just absurd.

Also, it's a fact that FLEO's can carry. The pilot can state that he doesn't want it, but it never happens.

If I'm incorrect, I'd love to be educated as FAMS seems to be highly coveted around here. I'm just trying to understand why.

I'm not a FAM but I think you're incorrect on at least one point (FAMS, feel free to let me know if the following is incorrect). CFR 1544.219 clearly defines what it takes for a LEO to fly armed, including taking mandatory training or unless otherwise authorized by TSA. Also, who says that FAMS aren't trained as well as the USSS; I think it's a bit absurd to make statements like that when you haven't gone through training for either agency.

[Cman21]

To say FAMS have better shooters than say USSS or DS is just silly. You can make that in no-time with many other agencies as an 1811. To me, seems like an awful job, sitting on a plane for hours a day doing nothing. Basically, there is no real job.

My guess is sooner or later FAMS won't exist. Any FLEO is permitted to carry on board an aircraft, I just figured FAMS had another purpose. Guess not.

THe only thing that is silly is your ignorant comments. The only reason you mention DSS and USSS is because that is what you are going for. I know agents with USMS, ICE, USSS AND FBI. They have all told me that FAMS are the best shooters and out of all of these agencies FAMS are the only one that make you consistently qualify with PT standards thru your career. Anyone can put down any of the big agencies and make their mission seem worthless. If you think you are any better with USSS well when you are in a hallway staring at a door handle for 8 hours come back and let us know how important you feel.

[1811orBust]

Here comes the animous. If you can correct me, please do. I was stating my thoughts on it. It doesn't make sense. If it is in fact true that FAMS have the best training, then as a taxpayer I think it's a waste of money. That's my right last I checked. Redundancy in government irks me. I'm a Fed, and a taxpayer, I think I've earned the right to state an opinion.

I also only posted because I felt like maybe I was missing some aspect of the FAMS job. It seems like FAMS don't like their jobs either, so why defensive?

Lastly, to the gentleman stating the CFR, you are wrong. I've flown with CBP Agents, FBI, and others while serving in my current capacity and all carry. They simply go to another line at the check in, state they are armed, show their creds. and bypass the metal detectors after speaking with a TSA rep.

[williamske]

jerry .... jerry ..... jerry! :D

[1811orBust]

Apparently it's not just FLEOs:

http://www.post.ca.gov/Whats_New/Flying_Armed_FAQs.asp

[williamske]

I never get why people feel the need to bash other agencies - in any aspect. Every agency of the government - whether law enforcement or not has one general mission - to serve the american people.

In law enforcement it is to protect and serve. We all have a common mission. Who cares if one agency accomplishes this 36,000 feet above the ground, or another one by being a bullet catcher for political figure heads?

I am allowed to comment on both agencies because I am in the application process for both. I see both jobs as an asset to our country.

Protect...and...Serve. Stop the nonsense.

[gms632]

We wonder why agencies don't communicate with one another... and then 19 people slip through the cracks caused by egos and fly planes into buildings. We are supposed to work together... not against one another.

[1811orBust]

I wasn't bashing. I was asking. I simply don't understand the purpose. It's redundant. It's a problem within government. As someone who's been serving for some time I think I've earned the right to ask these types of questions.

There are plenty of areas where the gov't is redundant and could be downsized. You act as though I'm the only person that thinks like this.

36,000 feet above the ground where there has been virtually no threats since 9/11 and where other LEOs can carry on board.

Get defensive if you like, but in 10 years I imagine FAMS either will have different objectives in addition to air protection, or it won't exist.

[SigFoo]

Here comes the animous. If you can correct me, please do. I was stating my thoughts on it. It doesn't make sense. If it is in fact true that FAMS have the best training, then as a taxpayer I think it's a waste of money. That's my right last I checked. Redundancy in government irks me. I'm a Fed, and a taxpayer, I think I've earned the right to state an opinion.

I also only posted because I felt like maybe I was missing some aspect of the FAMS job. It seems like FAMS don't like their jobs either, so why defensive?

Lastly, to the gentleman stating the CFR, you are wrong. I've flown with CBP Agents, FBI, and others while serving in my current capacity and all carry. They simply go to another line at the check in, state they are armed, show their creds. and bypass the metal detectors after speaking with a TSA rep.

Free speech is your right. I'm just not inclined to agree with your opinions.

[POSr]

jerry .... jerry ..... jerry! :D

LMAO. Nice one.

Aren't we all on the same team anyway? What's the purpose of this? Stir up the hornets nest?

[1811orBust]

It started as honest questions. Then people got defensive. I'm sorry if I offended anyone. I just was voicing my opinion after being barked at.

Let's end it here.

[BPD Once]

This is an interesting conversation. I know that all aspects of LE at any level have there standing and necessity. I've been local and am now Fed. I have friends and family in both FAMS and USSS. The mission is completely different yet almost identical. FAMS are on commercial aircraft in case something were to kick off. That they there is someone trained specifically for fighting in that linear environment. Likewise, USSS agents stand next to a trash can or staring at door knobs with their cute antiquated earpieces waiting on someone that could care less about them. Will the FAMS be around in 10 years or more, probably. Only because it would be political suicide for elected officials to sign off on disbanding them then have an attack occur. That would result in the largest turnover congress has ever seen. Also, the USSS in its poor state is one incident away from the FBI taking over the protection duties that they currently have. I didn't make that one up, that came from the mouth of an agent currently on a protection detail.

As for standards, yes FAMS do have PT tests regularly as well as firearms training. My understanding is that the federal standard for qualification is 210 or 225. The FAMS is significantly higher than that.

The jobs are just how they describe in job postings, FAMS fly, USSS agents stand post for hours on end. In reality neither position does a whole heck of a lot.

[SigFoo]

It started as honest questions. Then people got defensive. I'm sorry if I offended anyone. I just was voicing my opinion after being barked at.

Let's end it here.

Ended.

[hawk7320]

Anybody that hasn't gotten a final offer noticed you can't log onto the dashboard or is it just me? hope thats not a bad thing

[1811orBust]

This is an interesting conversation. I know that all aspects of LE at any level have there standing and necessity. I've been local and am now Fed. I have friends and family in both FAMS and USSS. The mission is completely different yet almost identical. FAMS are on commercial aircraft in case something were to kick off. That they there is someone trained specifically for fighting in that linear environment. Likewise, USSS agents stand next to a trash can or staring at door knobs with their cute antiquated earpieces waiting on someone that could care less about them. Will the FAMS be around in 10 years or more, probably. Only because it would be political suicide for elected officials to sign off on disbanding them then have an attack occur. That would result in the largest turnover congress has ever seen. Also, the USSS in its poor state is one incident away from the FBI taking over the protection duties that they currently have. I didn't make that one up, that came from the mouth of an agent currently on a protection detail.

As for standards, yes FAMS do have PT tests regularly as well as firearms training. My understanding is that the federal standard for qualification is 210 or 225. The FAMS is significantly higher than that.

The jobs are just how they describe in job postings, FAMS fly, USSS agents stand post for hours on end. In reality neither position does a whole heck of a lot.


Well said.

[hawk7320]

disregard that...its back up..still over background investigation...

[BPD Once]

Thank You. Just thought an outside or third party view would be beneficial. I read through again and noticed that you asked why the job was so "coveted". My opinion only here, I think it is coveted because it is far easier to get in than say the ATF, FBI,or even the USSS. Many people use it as a gateway to Fed employment, get their pay up, and roll to another position that has more appeal. However, I believe that this is not a position for the recently graduated students from school because maturity matters more so in this position than others because of the amount of domestic and international travel with minimal to no supervision. This is suited for someone a bit older who doesn't want to kick doors and chase 16 year olds any longer.

[POSr]

This is an interesting conversation. I know that all aspects of LE at any level have there standing and necessity. I've been local and am now Fed. I have friends and family in both FAMS and USSS. The mission is completely different yet almost identical. FAMS are on commercial aircraft in case something were to kick off. That they there is someone trained specifically for fighting in that linear environment. Likewise, USSS agents stand next to a trash can or staring at door knobs with their cute antiquated earpieces waiting on someone that could care less about them. Will the FAMS be around in 10 years or more, probably. Only because it would be political suicide for elected officials to sign off on disbanding them then have an attack occur. That would result in the largest turnover congress has ever seen. Also, the USSS in its poor state is one incident away from the FBI taking over the protection duties that they currently have. I didn't make that one up, that came from the mouth of an agent currently on a protection detail.

As for standards, yes FAMS do have PT tests regularly as well as firearms training. My understanding is that the federal standard for qualification is 210 or 225. The FAMS is significantly higher than that.

The jobs are just how they describe in job postings, FAMS fly, USSS agents stand post for hours on end. In reality neither position does a whole heck of a lot.

I think it's in the high 90%? Like 96 or 97%?

[WVU Brubbz]

I received the "The Call" this afternoon. Good luck to everyone that has been called and still waiting. I know how it felt waiting to hear something. Keep the faith.

[Blind Justice]

I received the "The Call" this afternoon. Good luck to everyone that has been called and still waiting. I know how it felt waiting to hear something. Keep the faith.



Good job!

Hopefully they'll start calling us few here are still stuck under referred for selection phase. =)

[Cman21]

Good job!

Hopefully they'll start calling us few here are still stuck under referred for selection phase. =)

What FO are you waiting for?

[hawk7320]

Still waiten under background for NYFO!! I hope I wasn't forgotten...

[gonefishin]

[QUOTE=1811orBust;2059654]To say FAMS have better shooters than say USSS or DS is just silly. You can make that in no-time with many other agencies as an 1811. To me, seems like an awful job, sitting on a plane for hours a day doing nothing. Basically, there is no real job.

My guess is sooner or later FAMS won't exist. Any FLEO is permitted to carry on board an aircraft, I just figured FAMS had another purpose. Guess not.[/QUOTE

FAMS are held to the highest shooting standard in the Fed Gov...thats a fact. Any FLEO can carry on a plane but there is a course they have to take before they can....(nothing serious and I assume most of them get in in thier basic training classes) Also, FAMS are the LE arm of TSA....and TSA has a pretty broad charter that includes all things transportation. A bill was just introduced into congress (H.R. 3963) that provides funding to send FAMS to CITP. This is something the FAMS have been talking about for years but I think this is the first time there has been an actual bill.

[BPD Once]

Isn't that bill for health care coverage for children?

[TheKansan]

Any FLEO is permitted to carry on board an aircraft, I just figured FAMS had another purpose. Guess not.

Does that include BOP CO's? :)

[gonefishin]

Isn't that bill for health care coverage for children?

It was, under the 110th congress....this one was introduced under 111th congress

[gonefishin]

heres the link to H.R. 3963
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-3963

[manstown]

I'm a CBPO and I talk to FAMs quite frequently (and I lived next to a FAM) and I have never talked to one who likes the job. Maybe its because I deal with FAMs who only travel internationally? But, every time I fly I sit next to someone who hogs the arm rest and coughs the entire flight. I imagine sitting on a plane for 14 hours with only 1 earphone on would be absolutely miserable. I'm not slamming the agency by any means (CBP has its flaws)... I respect their position and I'm trying to 'transfers' over to them... but put the pay aside and the job duties are awful... in my opinion. If you’re not a family man/woman and want to travel the world… maybe it’s for you.


No FAMs just fly internationals. They are mixed within the schedule.

A couple things about what's being said here. I have been through FAMS training and it actually is some of the best I've been through. I have been through a SWAT school and I will say that the course of fire in FAMS training has helped immensely. It is one of the hardest courses of fire in LE. The original was even harder. And if FAMs don't meet their standards during their qual period, they get their job in jeopardy. That's how serious they are about it.

Next, you won't make 120,000 within 3 years. You will make very good money, but not 120,000.

As for LEO's carrying weapons on flights. Yes FLEO's can carry on flights....but as someone mentioned they have to go through a Flying While Armed course. Now Local's, and State Police can't just get on a plane with the family going to Disneyland with their weapons. In order for them to get on the plane they have to be on official business with documentation stating their official business. Now it may not always happen this way, but that's how it's suppose to go down. And if you try to get on a plane as a LEO just flying for a vacation and you run into a ****ed off FAM, they may make a big stink of it. I've seen it happen and never really agreed with it. And their is no special line for FLEO's or LEO's to go to at check in. Except to through security. But even that's no big secret if you have a nosey public. They go up to the same check-in counter as everyday folk. And hopefully they don't get a ****ed of counter person who will take their creds and hold it for all to see and give them away. Damn counter nazi's!

[gonefishin]

No FAMs just fly internationals. They are mixed within the schedule.

Im guessing as a CBPO he probably only deals with FAMS returning from INT missions

[jb5722]

the minimum firearms qual for most federal agencies is 225, FAMS is significantly higher than that number. that being said, i'm sure you can look at each agency and you will find guys who are ****ed if they're shooting below 295, and people who are barely scraping by each at each qual.

[BPD Once]

heres the link to H.R. 3963
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-3963

Very good. Thanks a lot.

[BPD Once]

the minimum firearms qual for most federal agencies is 225, FAMS is significantly higher than that number. that being said, i'm sure you can look at each agency and you will find guys who are ****ed if they're shooting below 295, and people who are barely scraping by each at each qual.

Very true. However, most FAMS that are just scraping by would look like studs firing the same course of fire next to those just scraping by on the standard 225.

I believe MANSTOWN was talking about how serious FAMS take firearms, it is ridiculous (in a good way). This is not a glory position and yes very little "work" is done. But I assure that the day a FAM actually has to "work" it will be the worst work day of their life. Everyone has pretty much the same general training however, they learn different tactics for different missions.

[BPD Once]

heres the link to H.R. 3963
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-3963

Thanks for the link. Glad to see the FAMS may get this training in the future after all. I just hope that they don't see a mass exodus after getting the CITP course.

[Nino06]

heres the link to H.R. 3963
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-3963

http://www.realisticjobpreview.net/fams/

[airisfine]

36,000 feet above the ground where there has been virtually no threats since 9/11 and where other LEOs can carry on board.

Get defensive if you like, but in 10 years I imagine FAMS either will have different objectives in addition to air protection, or it won't exist.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion and I encourage a healthy debate but until you have a TS clearance and actually know how many threats there are every month at 36000 feet, I would ask you keep that part of your debate to yourself

[1811orBust]

Well, considering I do have a TS clearance (though I don't deal with TSA issues), I guess I'm entitled to my opinion again?

[WhenCanIRetire]

I wasn't bashing. I was asking. I simply don't understand the purpose. It's redundant. It's a problem within government. As someone who's been serving for some time I think I've earned the right to ask these types of questions.

There are plenty of areas where the gov't is redundant and could be downsized. You act as though I'm the only person that thinks like this.

36,000 feet above the ground where there has been virtually no threats since 9/11 and where other LEOs can carry on board.

Get defensive if you like, but in 10 years I imagine FAMS either will have different objectives in addition to air protection, or it won't exist.

I have to chime in on this. I have never worked for FAMS so my opinion isn't biased.....

Why do you think there are threats? These jobs where people do "nothing" all day are jobs of prevention and their value can't be quantified by what they do or don't all day, the amount of arrest they make etc. You do realize if it wasn't for TSA and FAMS about a dozen or so more planes would've been flown into buildings by now, right? How many presidents would've been assasinated by now if it wern't for the USSS? Firefighters in the suburbs don't put out a whole lot of fires, but guess what would happen to the number of arson cases if fire departments were to dissapear?

I don't believe this was your point but someone else previously mentioned that FAMS should be eliminated in place of other fed agents flying armed. BAD IDEA! First off, where the hell are they going to find time and money to turn every federal agent into a part-time FAM? Also, several people that graduated my FLETC class had no business carrying a government backed firearm, but passed anyway. If I knew there was people from that agency flying armed on my flight, I would fake a heart attack just to land the plane and get off. Federal agents have no business or authority to carry aboard a flight unless they are protecting, have a dangerous assignment, or need to arrive armed and ready at their location.

[1811orBust]

My thoughts are simply to trust that TSA is doing it's job and the possibility of a federal agent on board armed, along with good intelligence data, is plenty to prevent attackes. Even on 9/11, the US had intelligence of a possible attack. Unfortunately, it was dismissed.

[brickster720]

I think we're getting away from the scope of the thread. This has really turned from less of a "why should I apply" to a battle of ideologies and criticisms of past intelligence gaffes and future functions.

I'm just sayin, it's getting old...quick

[1811orBust]

I agree, back to the purpose of the thread. FAMS info and advice.

Someone posted another thread asking when FAMS will be opening a new announcement. Anyone able to answer for him?

[airisfine]

This month

[Blind Justice]

What FO are you waiting for?


The one they tell me to report to... :)

I told them I would work anywhere.

[manstown]

Well, considering I do have a TS clearance (though I don't deal with TSA issues), I guess I'm entitled to my opinion again?

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. But if you have one, have one with some substance. You have a TS clearance, you don't deal with TSA issues, so no, your opinion on the issue is pointless. There are things dealing with public safety and the airlines that only people, like the FAMS and TSA, know.

[1811orBust]

Not going to waste my time responding. Let it go.

[Md094]

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. But if you have one, have one with some substance. You have a TS clearance, you don't deal with TSA issues, so no, your opinion on the issue is pointless. There are things dealing with public safety and the airlines that only people, like the FAMS and TSA, know.

I must agree with Manstown on this one. You may have TS clearance but you have no idea what threats, actions and things happen everyday. This is why FAMs are only one part of the layered security approach preached on by DHS.

[brickster720]

soooo, back to my question a few pages back: are the majority of far away people driving their personal vehicles to their new FO, or are you all flying in?

[Passenger 57]

I'm in North Carolina, but I'm reporting to the NYFO...I think I'm gonna drive. That way I can also scout around the area, look at neighborhoods, etc.

[manstown]

Not going to waste my time responding. Let it go.


Yet you decided to respond to it through a PM. Like I said in my PM response, can't take a little criticism, maybe try a new line of work.

Sorry for the off track comments folks. I'm finished now.

[manstown]

I'm in North Carolina, but I'm reporting to the NYFO...I think I'm gonna drive. That way I can also scout around the area, look at neighborhoods, etc.

I'd have to say this is a good idea. If anything you can take the time to get to know the area on your off time if you're not from there. Also, if you take your vehicle to the FO, they may let you leave it there while you go through Artesia. That way when you get back you can drive to ACY for Phase II. It's a good to have it at ACY so you can get away when you need too.

[iamjay27]

Hey everyone, just in case you are all still waiting for the final call, its still going on. I just got my final offer!

[ACYV223]

soooo, back to my question a few pages back: are the majority of far away people driving their personal vehicles to their new FO, or are you all flying in?

I'm driving my car from the west coast. I'm thinking about leaving the third week of December. It will be a nice 3 day drive. :rolleyes: I'll see you guys in WFO on January 4th.
By the way, who do we have reporting to WFO on Jan. 4:
Myself
Brickster
cduke
gsxridr- NY or DC?
TXSkopi
Anybody else?

[williamske]

Hey everyone, just in case you are all still waiting for the final call, its still going on. I just got my final offer!

Congrats! Good luck!

[gsxridr2000]

I'll be driving my vehicle cross country as well to the NYFO. Thinkng about leaving the third week in Dec. Probably gonna be a crazy 4 day drive through some bad weather around that time of the year.

[2themax45]

I have to chime in on this. I have never worked for FAMS so my opinion isn't biased.....

Why do you think there is no threats? These jobs where people do "nothing" all day are jobs of prevention and their value can't be qualified by what they do or don't all day, the amount of arrest they make etc. You do realize if it wasn't for TSA and FAMS about a dozen or so more planes would've been flown into buildings by now, right? How many presidents would've been assasinated by now if it wern't for the USSS? Firefighters in the suburbs don't put out a whole lot of fires, but guess what would happen to the number of arson cases if fire departments were to dissapear?

I don't believe this was your point but someone else previously mentioned that FAMS should be eliminated in place of other fed agents flying armed. BAD IDEA! First off, where in I worked for a certain agency in which about 6 people in my the hell are they going to find time and money to turn every federal agent into a part-time FAM? Also, several people that graduated my FLETC class had no business carrying a government backed firearm, but passed anyway. If I knew there was people from that agency flying armed on my flight, I would fake a heart attack just to land the plane and get off. Federal agents have no business or authority to carry aboard a flight unless they are protecting, have a dangerous assignment, or need to arrive armed and ready at their location.

Why not? So check in your firearm like general public on the plane?

[WhenCanIRetire]

Why not? So check in your firearm like general public on the plane?

How in the hell can you function like a substitute FAM if your weapon is in checked luggage? What am I missing here?

P.S. Sorry about the occasional sentence fragment, but I have trouble posting with my Blackberry.

[2themax45]

How in the hell can you function like a substitute FAM if your weapon is in checked luggage? What am I missing here?

P.S. Sorry about the occasional sentence fragment, but I have trouble posting with my Blackberry.

Chill out, that's what I was wondering!!!

You said "Federal agents have no business or authority to carry aboard a flight unless they are protecting, have a dangerous assignment, or need to arrive armed and ready at their location."

[WhenCanIRetire]

Chill out, that's what I was wondering!!!

You said "Federal agents have no business or authority to carry aboard a flight unless they are protecting, have a dangerous assignment, or need to arrive armed and ready at their location."

You realize the difference between carrying on-board and checking your weapon, right?:confused:

[2themax45]

You realize the difference between carrying on-board and checking your weapon, right?:confused:

Yes I do. Maybe we both are misunderstanding each other. I thought you said that Federal Agents have no business or authority to carry armed unless they are protecting or will need it where they land. That is why I asked "WHY" you think they should not fly armed unless on official business??????

[WhenCanIRetire]

Yes I do. Maybe we both are misunderstanding each other. I thought you said that Federal Agents have no business or authority to carry armed unless they are protecting or will need it where they land. That is why I asked "WHY" you think they should not fly armed unless on official business??????

I don't "think" they agents can't fly armed without cause. That is the law. I don't want to side-track this thread any more than I already have by posting an essay on why they can't and shouldn't, but if you use common sense, you will figure it out.

[2themax45]

You're right. I'll use my common sense, which tells me that Fed Leo/Agent can fly armed with or without official business.

[1811orBust]

http://law.justia.com/us/cfr/title49/49-9.1.3.5.10.3.10.14.html

Note section (a)(2)(iv).

Controversy ended.

[2themax45]

http://law.justia.com/us/cfr/title49/49-9.1.3.5.10.3.10.14.html

Note section (a)(2)(iv).

Controversy ended.

Thank you! I need to save that link.

[WhenCanIRetire]

http://law.justia.com/us/cfr/title49/49-9.1.3.5.10.3.10.14.html

Note section (a)(2)(iv).

Controversy ended.

Not much of a controversy. I believe every armed fed is required to get refreshed on that every year, But thank you for explaining that for him seeing as I wasn't getting my point across.

[WhenCanIRetire]

You're right. I'll use my common sense, which tells me that Fed Leo/Agent can fly armed with or without official business.

Then hopefully your common sense will never land you with a federal job. You can't think of a ton of safety and liability concerns with random agents carrying loaded weapons on board an aircraft without proper training? You scare me dude......:eek:

[Up_On_Base]

Then hopefully your common sense will never land you with a federal job. You can't think of a ton of safety and liability concerns with random agents carrying loaded weapons on board an aircraft without proper training? You scare me dude......:eek:

He is USSS and all federal agents can fly armed. Its up the parent agency to set the rules internally, I know during my USSS days we could carry on or off official business when flying. There is a class at FLETC that all FLEOs complete to give some basic on flying armed.

I think USCP might have a different protocol, their Brass only wants them to carry on official duty.

I never went anywhere without my Sig, it was personal decision and when you live in DC metro things can go bad anywhere.

[WhenCanIRetire]

He is USSS and all federal agents can fly armed. Its up the parent agency to set the rules internally, I know during my USSS days we could carry on or off official business when flying.

I think USCP might have a different protocol, their Brass only wants them to carry on official duty.

I never went anywhere without my Sig, it was personal decision and when you live in DC metro things can go bad anywhere.

That is fine if they are still allowed to do still that, but if a respective agency decided to allow that, then they also take the proper percaustions such as training, recertification, etc.

[Blind Justice]

WOW this thread has gone way of its original track...

[Passenger 57]

Any others who have received final offers or are in the hiring process interested in starting a new thread where we can actually talk about FAM job stuff? This who should fly armed p*ssing contest has gotten old pretty quickly. We're all on the same team guys.

[ACYV223]

WOW this thread has gone way of its original track...

Any others who have received final offers or are in the hiring process interested in starting a new thread where we can actually talk about FAM job stuff? This who should fly armed p*ssing contest has gotten old pretty quickly. We're all on the same team guys.

I completely agree!!! Let it go guys! These types of p*ssing contests lead to what is wrong with the security of this nation. We all work for the US govt to help the country stay safe. Correct or no?

[brickster720]

Anyone who got the call this week received your letter yet? I'm going to shake my magic 8 ball and use my ouija board to predict the go out on... Wednesday

[WhenCanIRetire]

I completely agree!!! Let it go guys! These types of p*ssing contests lead to what is wrong with the security of this nation. We all work for the US govt to help the country stay safe. Correct or no?

Two people going back and forth regarding federal policy is what is wrong with national security? Way to unnecessarily over dramatize things.....

[ACYV223]

I completely agree!!! Let it go guys! These types of p*ssing contests lead to what is wrong with the security of this nation. We all work for the US govt to help the country stay safe. Correct or no?

Two people going back and forth regarding federal policy is what is wrong with national security? Way to unnecessarily over dramatize things.....

Absolutely, it is people like you who have egos the size of the planet Earth that lead to govt agencies not sharing intel with other agencies. Also, from the way it looks to me you have a hard time letting go of things. If you want to have your little debate go and start a new thread stop wasting my time and other people's time. There are some people on here that have valid questions and want to find out the answers. There's at least a handful of us that are starting the job within two months and trying to figure out what the next steps are. You can bash me all you want, because I will not be responding to you anymore. You have all ready wasted 5-10 mins of my life.

[ACYV223]

Anyone who got the call this week received your letter yet? I'm going to shake my magic 8 ball and use my ouija board to predict the go out on... Wednesday

I haven't received it yet, I'm guessing Tuesday :)

[FAM Hopeful]

I am probably wasting my time asking about this but did everyone who received the red X next to the referred section get a rejection notice? I ask because my interviewing FO told me I was received the highest recommondation, my process was stopped, but I never received the reject. Do they only send rejection notices to people who failed something? I was told by HR that I was in the pool but I was never selected. Maybe I'm just clinging to the fantasy that FAMS never saw my application.

By the way, Agents can't carry aboard an aircraft without reason along with a lot of other things. Someone even found and posted the directive. I don't know how you guys could've debated about it for about 20 threads.....LMAO!

[Up_On_Base]

I am probably wasting my time asking about this but did everyone who received the red X next to the referred section get a rejection notice? I ask because my interviewing FO told me I was received the highest recommondation, my process was stopped, but I never received the reject. Do they only send rejection notices to people who failed something? I was told by HR that I was in the pool but I was never selected. Maybe I'm just clinging to the fantasy that FAMS never saw my application.

By the way, Agents can't carry aboard an aircraft without reason along with a lot of other things. Someone even found and posted the directive. I don't know how you guys could've debated about it for about 20 threads.....LMAO!

If you are a FLEO you can carry aboard an aircraft, I did this on vacation.

You just fill out some paperwork with you creds, it not that hard.

--
(iv) Employed as a Federal LEO, whether or not on official travel, and armed in accordance with an agency-wide policy governing that type of travel established by the employing agency by directive or policy statement

[FAM Hopeful]

If you are a FLEO you can carry aboard an aircraft, I did this on vacation.

You just fill out some paperwork with you creds, it not that hard.

--
(iv) Employed as a Federal LEO, whether or not on official travel, and armed in accordance with an agency-wide policy governing that type of travel established by the employing agency by directive or policy statement

I don't want to debate this and get sidetracked. I'm also sure that you are right. They don't want you to use it, just not loose it. Most agencies do not let you do this however if not mistaken. Feel free to PM me if you know otherwise....

Anyone get the red X in the referred section and not get a formal rejection? It's driving me crazy hearing about the rejection letters that others received knowing that I never got one. It's almost like my interview/PEB never took place.

[Nino06]

I don't want to debate this and get sidetracked. I'm also sure that you are right. They don't want you to use it, just not loose it. Most agencies do not let you do this however if not mistaken. Feel free to PM me if you know otherwise....

Anyone get the red X in the referred section and not get a formal rejection? It's driving me crazy hearing about the rejection letters that others received knowing that I never got one. It's almost like my interview/PEB never took place.

Did you receive a rejection letter recently? I am still on referred for selection.

[FAM Hopeful]

Did you receive a rejection letter recently? I am still on referred for selection.

No. That's my point! I was one of the first people to go through the process and received the red X way back in August. I never recieved any kind of written correspondence, but I was told by the office that everything went very well and I was one on only several referred from that office. Just frusterating. It's almost as if FAMS hiring never even looked at my final application package after the PEB/interview.

[usmc00]

No. That's my point! I was one of the first people to go through the process and received the red X way back in August. I never recieved any kind of written correspondence, but I was told by the office that everything went very well and I was one on only several referred from that office. Just frusterating. It's almost
as if FAMS hiring never even looked at my final application package after the PEB/interview.
hey, I am in the same boat as u. I was told I passed everything, came in 5th out of everyone on the pt portion, but recieved a red x also with no rejection letter. I sort of lost hope but I'm still thinking of calling the FO and asking about it.

[hawk7320]

anyone still in background waiting a Final offer? hopeful this week maybe..

[Esco]

I received an email that stated that I
didn't pass the panal interview. And I
was no longer being considered under the
last announcement. I took my interview July 30,
got the email two weeks ago.

[FAM Hopeful]

hey, I am in the same boat as u. I was told I passed everything, came in 5th out of everyone on the pt portion, but recieved a red x also with no rejection letter. I sort of lost hope but I'm still thinking of calling the FO and asking about it.

At least I'm not the only one. Perhaps the people who received rejections were the ones who were deemed with no chance or failed something, while the ones who didn't are in the B pile so to speak? I wonder what the percentages of people that were reffered for selection actually got selected? Doesn't it seem like everyone who did well on the interview and PEB moved forward?

[TXSKOPI]

to those reporting to WFO on 1/3, i'd like to get plans for that week figured out. I already have a free hotel suite for the entire time, but I'm also leaving my car in ca until FLETC. Anyone taking their car wanna crash on the couch bed free of charge for the week and give me a lift to the FO every day? haha

[airisfine]

WFO will put you up in an extended stay for 30 a night

[brickster720]

to those reporting to WFO on 1/3, i'd like to get plans for that week figured out. I already have a free hotel suite for the entire time, but I'm also leaving my car in ca until FLETC. Anyone taking their car wanna crash on the couch bed free of charge for the week and give me a lift to the FO every day? haha

Since I live in the area, I'm willing to pick people up from the airport (who are flying in instead of driving their personal car)if you come in that saturday or sunday and possibly car pool depending on where you're staying.

PM me if you're interested

[Tower]

I was told 13 but I would not be surprised if it was 12. We all know we FAMs do not do the same job as a real 1811 but we have the same job description as an 1811. "I say again, we do not do the job as an 1811 or have cases, but our job description is just about the same", so they say we will be 13s.
I take it OPM will decide what a FAM journey man level will be. The consensus is GS13 for the FAM service due to our job description and the large amount of money we make here. Most of the FAMs who are here make over a hundred grand a year salary.
I just hope the pay will change over to GS so I can get a pay raise. I like the idea of step increases every few years or so. The way we are set up now is a joke. How in the heck can I be stuck at the same salary since 2004?

We should be a 13 according to some individuals who have met with the director. At least that is what he is pushing for us, apparently. I'm not quite sure how a fng can be making more that you with no prior fed time. Sure he's not blowing smoke? I haven't heard of anyone coming on over the past few years outside of the G-band without prior fed time.


http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-1881

[Tower]

At least I'm not the only one. Perhaps the people who received rejections were the ones who were deemed with no chance or failed something, while the ones who didn't are in the B pile so to speak? I wonder what the percentages of people that were reffered for selection actually got selected? Doesn't it seem like everyone who did well on the interview and PEB moved forward?

Did you crush the PT test? Any of you who did not may not get a phone call. It is a huge priority to hire fit individuals these days. Seen a lot of people come into the assessment with a sloppy performance and the facilitator just scratches his head and puts the applicant into the "do not hire" pile.

Good luck to you. I hope you did well.

[SoCAL19]

Got my final offer last week for 15 Feb WFO. Anyone else for Feb or is everyone so far January?