Air Marshal Job Open !

[Weapon X]

Also all if you're getting Medical done at the NYFO just bring your MH Certificate with you as the fax machines are down.

[iamjay27]

When TSA called (8/14), they said I was lucky b/c I got my first choice (NYFO). I don't remember choosing an FO in any order. Its cool and I will move to NJ, but I don't remember a ranking FO system on the application. I was told FAMS selected 140 out of the 500 that were ref for selection on the 15th.

cuyler, I don't remember ranking it either. During my interview with the SAC after the interview, he said that NYC was ranked my number 1 choice and that the area of preference is northeast. I don't remember putting that down either, but hey whatever i passed and moving forward and thats all it matters now.

[POSr]

Just curious about how many people are nervous about the firearms quals and their difficulty?

[Spammail.dj]

I guess no more call are going out. Haven't heard one person get the call for LA. Don't know what to believe now. All I have to go off of now is my unreliable TSA Dashboard.

kumbaya fellas!

[formerfed]

Just curious about how many people are nervous about the firearms quals and their difficulty?

There quals are not bad, front sight front sight front sight press....

[DoubleAgent]

I guess no more call are going out. Haven't heard one person get the call for LA. Don't know what to believe now. All I have to go off of now is my unreliable TSA Dashboard.

kumbaya fellas!

Same here for Newark, but you'd think that they'd quickly end your process and update the Dashboard if there were no open positions?

[iamjay27]

Just curious about how many people are nervous about the firearms quals and their difficulty?

Not really worried, just expecting to have fun shooting. Just breath and squeeze!

[echat12]

Just curious about how many people are nervous about the firearms quals and their difficulty?

Ha! Never shot a gun before. Can't wait! (Not entirely true...took riflery in camp at like age 10)

[formerfed]

Are you serious, they are hiring people with zero tactical experience?

[echat12]

Are you serious, they are hiring people with zero tactical experience?

Believe it or not, they are hiring all sorts of people, which is what they have maintained from the beginning. (They don't want everybody to have the same "look"). Anybody can be taught to shoot a gun. I would like to think I qualified on the intangibles. I have a master's degree, which is a huge leg up, and which means I can think, which not everybody can do. I also have a forensic background, which, as far as I know, makes me the only one like that in the entire applicant pool. So I have been trained in the field of investigations and all the critical thinking processes that go with that. I know how to read people and situations, and how to look for things or people that don't belong. Oh, and I'm a girl. Shooting a gun well does not make you more qualified necessarily. (Just felt a need to defend myself and other non-military/LE types). But then again, I already got a CO, so I don't need to defend myself anymore.

[winglet]

I know how to read people and situations, and how to look for things or people that don't belong. Oh, and I'm a girl. Shooting a gun well does not make you more qualified necessarily. (Just felt a need to defend myself and other non-military/LE types). But then again, I already got a CO, so I don't need to defend myself anymore.


I'm with you. Everyone has to start somewhere. No one is born with tactical experience. Well, maybe Chuck Norris......but I can't say for sure.

[Blind Justice]

I'm with you. Everyone has to start somewhere. No one is born with tactical experience. Well, maybe Chuck Norris......but I can't say for sure.

And Jack Bauer.... :D

[Infantry0369]

So If I don't have a Masters Degree...I can't think? :confused:

[formerfed]

Believe it or not, they are hiring all sorts of people, which is what they have maintained from the beginning. (They don't want everybody to have the same "look"). Anybody can be taught to shoot a gun. I would like to think I qualified on the intangibles. I have a master's degree, which is a huge leg up, and which means I can think, which not everybody can do. I also have a forensic background, which, as far as I know, makes me the only one like that in the entire applicant pool. So I have been trained in the field of investigations and all the critical thinking processes that go with that. I know how to read people and situations, and how to look for things or people that don't belong. Oh, and I'm a girl. Shooting a gun well does not make you more qualified necessarily. (Just felt a need to defend myself and other non-military/LE types). But then again, I already got a CO, so I don't need to defend myself anymore.

All that is well and good and I also have a degree, oh and read a book about shooting a gun. hahahahah

[formerfed]

Chuck Norris was in the Air Force, so not impressed. I'm not berating you due to your lack of tactical experience, I'm just surprised that your eligible for this job. Oh and there are places you could learn and hone your tactical skills before being an Air Marshal.

[ThanAgain]

Chuck Norris was in the Air Force, so not impressed. I'm not berating you due to your lack of tactical experience, I'm just surprised that your eligible for this job. Oh and there are places you could learn and hone your tactical skills before being an Air Marshal.

I think thats what the academy training is for ;)

[manstown]

Believe it or not, they are hiring all sorts of people, which is what they have maintained from the beginning. (They don't want everybody to have the same "look"). Anybody can be taught to shoot a gun. I would like to think I qualified on the intangibles. I have a master's degree, which is a huge leg up, and which means I can think, which not everybody can do. I also have a forensic background, which, as far as I know, makes me the only one like that in the entire applicant pool. So I have been trained in the field of investigations and all the critical thinking processes that go with that. I know how to read people and situations, and how to look for things or people that don't belong. Oh, and I'm a girl. Shooting a gun well does not make you more qualified necessarily. (Just felt a need to defend myself and other non-military/LE types). But then again, I already got a CO, so I don't need to defend myself anymore.

:rolleyes:

Oh good Lord!!!!!! Done patting yourself on the back yet?

And lets see how you fair if you don't shot well in the academy! Trust me......not anyone can be taught to shoot a gun. I saw it first hand when 7 people lost their jobs because they couldn't shoot at ACY. If that doesn't work out you might be able to use your investigative people reading skills on CSI.....I'm guessing you've never been in a situation where 5 lbs of pressure could determine the rest of your life. If the time were to ever come when someone tries to take a plane over and you are on it, would you then be able to think? I highly doubt a Master's degree will help you in that situation. I know many people that are some of the best LEO's on the street and they don't have a bachelor's let alone a Master's. I would go through a door with them before someone that received a master's degree in order to be able to think.

[POSr]

[QUOTE=echat12;1957659]Anybody can be taught to shoot a gun. QUOTE]

I respectfully disagree.

http://www.realisticjobpreview.net/fams/

[Blind Justice]

[QUOTE=echat12;1957659]Anybody can be taught to shoot a gun. QUOTE]

I respectfully disagree.

http://www.realisticjobpreview.net/fams/

I second that...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/30/sports/football/30burress.html
(Plaxico Burress Shoots Himself Accidentally)

Sorry, I couldnt help myself...

[dshoes60031]

In every occupation there are skill sets that some applicants have already acquired and some that can be learned on the job. I would think the FEDS hiring process is similar to the private sector where they have certain requirements and after those requirements are met they then look at a diverse applicant pool and look for other skill sets other than the required. I would like to use the analogy with basketball. If someone has played forward their whole life and then in college or in the NBA a team says we will hire you but you have to play guard. That player wouldnt be ineligible to be on the team or play that position. He would have to learn the skill sets of a guard and still utilize his prior knowledge at forward. So I dont think it is out the norm that they would hire someone without tactical experience. But i understand your opposing question FormerFed... If it cant be taught i am sure we or she wouldnt be in the applicant pool to be hired..

STAY IN THERE!!

[formerfed]

Just to add something, many of us do have the tactical experience and a degree. Anyone who has been through a basic academy will tell you that it does not prepare you for what lies beyond. I would have expected that they allow all to apply and select only those who are educationally and professionally qualified. Professionally qualified includes basic law enforcement (with time on the street), SWAT, and Special Ops. Not having handgun experience will put you at a disadvantage. FLETC is easy, NJ add on is easy if your skilled, and the real world is another story....

[SigFoo]

I don't have a Master's degree yet but I can complete the triple nickel clean in just a little above 5 seconds. I guess if all else fails I can throw my lowly bachelor's degree sheepskin at the terrorists (it currently resides in my sock drawer so no real loss there).

[POSr]

Well, I think it comes down to learning curve.

Those with experience shouldn't have as much of a learning curve as those who have limited experience with firearms. Sure, some people can learn it, but don't kid yourself about this training.

I have been doing tactical/high risk entry training and field work for over 7 years and it's still nerve racking going into a high risk situation. I can't imagine what someone who no experience would feel if they were 50,000 feet in the air and someone attempt to take over a plane.

[winglet]

We're all hoping to be on the same team here, let's not forget. All different backgrounds and futures, attitudes and preferences....same mission.

I think everyone who has gotten a CO to this point (as well as those who are waiting on that call but have made it this far) is qualified in some way or another. If we weren't, we wouldn't be here. Yes, some will get weeded out in the Academy, and rightly so. Everyone brings something different to the table. I'd hate to see this very, very helpful forum turn into a ****ing match now that it's so close to the end.

For those with le/military experience plus degrees (or ANY variation - please no one take that the wrong way), I expect you all to be the front-runners at training because you have so much under your belts. And I hope you'll allow me to ask you for advice and guidance along the way because I absolutely see that your experience is invaluable. As for me, I plan on working my butt off to bridge the gap. I hope that everyone who does make it through is seen as a worthy partner, and we should all be proving that to each other along the way. Starting now.

PS thank you for posting that Plaxico business. Who puts a gun in their sweatpants?!?!

[gonefishin]

Just to add something, many of us do have the tactical experience and a degree. Anyone who has been through a basic academy will tell you that it does not prepare you for what lies beyond. I would have expected that they allow all to apply and select only those who are educationally and professionally qualified. Professionally qualified includes basic law enforcement (with time on the street), SWAT, and Special Ops. Not having handgun experience will put you at a disadvantage. FLETC is easy, NJ add on is easy if your skilled, and the real world is another story....

Many firearms instructors will tell you that its easier to teach someone who has never touched a gun to shoot well than it is to teach someone who has shot guns but has bad habits.....also, tactical experience wont really help all that much on this job....its a whole different game than SWAT etc....

[dshoes60031]

I agree with the last 4 post. Degree and tactical knowledge are good marketing skill sets but we all know its the individual you have to judge. I have friends that think conceptionally that are highschool grads and are brilliant I also have friends that have hunted deer and have learned how to shoot for decades and cant shoot a can ten feet away. Its depends on each individual and not the Diploma, or degree, or FOID card that we might posses.... I dont view this as a argument we are all sharing our opinions. The world needs more of this type of communication where people share their ideas. If we had more of this there would be less racism, gender bias and all.

Peace..

[formerfed]

Thanks for the PM got the info I needed.

[dshoes60031]

Good news.. I talked to the Chicago Field Office and she said those that completed earlier SAC and panel interviews would naturally be called first to continue process but those that completed around august 12 or so on would still get calls but they are going in order. She said there is no rational or really consistant process. She even said some people wait 6 monts before a call it just depends. I asked if a person waits that long do they need to re apply she said NO... As long as you dont get a reject letter you can be considered at any time.... EVEN 6 MONTHS LATER... She said just continue to work out and always plan as though you could get a call.

HOPE THIS HELPS.. SHE DID SAY CHICAGO OFFICE IS CLOSED UNTIL POSSIBLY THE NEW FISCAL YEAR

[Spammail.dj]

[QUOTE=POSr;1957744]

I second that...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/30/sports/football/30burress.html
(Plaxico Burress Shoots Himself Accidentally)

Sorry, I couldnt help myself...

As do I.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uADb3NyYlSA ...exhibit A!

[apd98]

Believe it or not, they are hiring all sorts of people, which is what they have maintained from the beginning. (They don't want everybody to have the same "look"). Anybody can be taught to shoot a gun. I would like to think I qualified on the intangibles. I have a master's degree, which is a huge leg up, and which means I can think, which not everybody can do. I also have a forensic background, which, as far as I know, makes me the only one like that in the entire applicant pool. So I have been trained in the field of investigations and all the critical thinking processes that go with that. I know how to read people and situations, and how to look for things or people that don't belong. Oh, and I'm a girl. Shooting a gun well does not make you more qualified necessarily. (Just felt a need to defend myself and other non-military/LE types). But then again, I already got a CO, so I don't need to defend myself anymore.

Have you ever been punched in the mouth?

[POSr]

[QUOTE=Blind Justice;1957752]

As do I.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uADb3NyYlSA ...exhibit A!

You know that Agent got fired and is now suing for the rights to the tape since it's used so much in training videos?

[FAMSapplicant]

Good news.. I talked to the Chicago Field Office and she said those that completed earlier SAC and panel interviews would naturally be called first to continue process but those that completed around august 12 or so on would still get calls but they are going in order. She said there is no rational or really consistant process. She even said some people wait 6 monts before a call it just depends. I asked if a person waits that long do they need to re apply she said NO... As long as you dont get a reject letter you can be considered at any time.... EVEN 6 MONTHS LATER... She said just continue to work out and always plan as though you could get a call.

HOPE THIS HELPS.. SHE DID SAY CHICAGO OFFICE IS CLOSED UNTIL POSSIBLY THE NEW FISCAL YEAR

Great- thanks for that update!

As for the other discussion going on, I've noticed a lot of jobs 'require' a BA in something- anything- presumably to show that you 'can be taught'. Of course, having a degree in something that is actually applicable makes it just that much better.

I know a Marine pilot with a degree in forestry. It qualified him to be an officer and eventually had a tour of presidential duty. I never thought of him any less for having it in forestry rather than physics, criminal justice, or chemistry. I guess my point is that I'm glad for anyone who has completed their degree (even in underwater basket weaving). I'm on the ten-year plan, myself, and have a little bit more to go =P

My plan right now is to grab the low hanging fruit and try to convert my 90+ credits into at least an associate CJ degree to make me look better on 'paper'.

Also, someone else stated that you have to start somewhere, and I agree. I've got 6 years USMC, but no LE or combat experience (assuming you don't count my childhood growing up where I did=P). Anyhow, the best I can do for that right now is to take up a martial art.

[cuyler2281]

Its easier to teach someone to shoot if they have never shot before. They don't have any bad habits. Swat and Spec ops training is very different and can't be compared. Military training is also different (former FSO 1LT). If you are willing to learn and focus, you will do fine. No need for a p-ssing contest.

[cuyler2281]

Guys and Gals all that matters is when those lights go on, its show time. This was the message that my SFC told me when I was a platoon leader (2LT) before I went on my first combat patrol in Mosul, Iraq. When its show time it doesn't matter that you have a master's or not. The only thing that matters is your muscle memory from your training.

[ifineed2]

Guys and Gals all that matters is when those lights go on, its show time. This was the message that my SFC told me when I was a platoon leader (2LT) before I went on my first combat patrol in Mosul, Iraq. When its show time it doesn't matter that you have a master's or not. The only thing that matters is your muscle memory from your training.

When were you in Mosul? What unit? I was there 2005-2006

[danthony]

FAMSApplicant: I was in the same boat as you with the credits and stuff. I transferred mine and finished my 4 year within 10 months. If you want my advice, PM me. Good luck with everything else.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

Fly, Fly, Fly....and Fly again. 5 days a week for days at a time, overtime, weekends, holidays, 10 hour days or longer some days. Never home at 5 PM, never count on a day off, there is no such thing as a schedule, you get home when you get off your plane.

I've read your other posts, on this forum and on others. You've been INSANELY helpful. I hope other listen to you.


YOU ARE HIRED! YOU ARE ALREADY AHEAD OF THE GAME.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

That sounds like a booby prize. I would much rather get called at 3 am for a 4:30 show for a triangle while on recovery only to get stuck at BOS until 8 pm when I have a RON with an early show the next morning out of IAD.


I love it when I work a 13 hour day due to a 4 hour delay. I then get to the hotel at 11:30pm in city X and back at the airport the next day at 8am.

[cuyler2281]

I was in Mosul Oct 05- 06 I was at fob merez and diamondback 1-321 (ABN) out of ft. Bragg

[Md094]

I love it when I work a 13 hour day due to a 4 hour delay. I then get to the hotel at 11:30pm in city X and back at the airport the next day at 8am.

Last week was a perfect example of this with all of the storms around IAD, EWR, DCA, LGA and JFK. I had two very long days.

[SigFoo]

Question for the FAMS regarding the NYFO. Do you have one airport that you specifically fly out of or is it both JFK and LGA (or any others in the area)? Just trying to get some information on what the commute will be like while I look at possible housing options. Don't think this is OPSEC stuff but, if it is, I apologize in advance.

[gonefishin]

Question for the FAMS regarding the NYFO. Do you have one airport that you specifically fly out of or is it both JFK and LGA (or any others in the area)? Just trying to get some information on what the commute will be like while I look at possible housing options. Don't think this is OPSEC stuff but, if it is, I apologize in advance.

Both...and the airports are only about 10 miles apart....Queens area is prob the best for housing for the communte

[dtown101]

Last week was a perfect example of this with all of the storms around IAD, EWR, DCA, LGA and JFK. I had two very long days.

not for me ...lucky enough i was across the pond last week!!!

[BPD Once]

Likewise, I was in the heat and sand with no beer to be found. What a bummer. I did finish another month of my Tiger Woods golf season though.

[manstown]

Probably the worst trip out there. I hated that damn place. HOW CAN THERE BE NO BEER!!!!???

[Md094]

not for me ...lucky enough i was across the pond last week!!!

Ahhh...you were lucky then because I got home one night at 1am. I cannot wait for my trips across the pond to start again soon.

[horse]

Believe it or not, they are hiring all sorts of people, which is what they have maintained from the beginning. (They don't want everybody to have the same "look"). Anybody can be taught to shoot a gun. I would like to think I qualified on the intangibles. I have a master's degree, which is a huge leg up, and which means I can think, which not everybody can do. I also have a forensic background, which, as far as I know, makes me the only one like that in the entire applicant pool. So I have been trained in the field of investigations and all the critical thinking processes that go with that. I know how to read people and situations, and how to look for things or people that don't belong. Oh, and I'm a girl. Shooting a gun well does not make you more qualified necessarily. (Just felt a need to defend myself and other non-military/LE types). But then again, I already got a CO, so I don't need to defend myself anymore.

[horse]

sorry but... oh wow, you are sadly mistaken.....

[horse]

wwwwoooooowwww!!

[horse]

the test of time!!!!!!

[gonefishin]

the test of time!!!!!!

Ba da ba da ba I'm lovin it....gotta love some of the posts dont ya horse!!!

[Zman7]

Are there any openings for FAMs at the moment?

[Bearcat357]

I must have missed the posts, but didn't see any names on there.

O.com edited them out ...actually, very, very quickly.....

[Bearcat357]

Just curious, what do you guys tells family & friends when they ask, "So, what do you do?"

Tell them what you do.....you're not working as a covert op for the CIA for God's sakes..... :rolleyes:

[iamjay27]

O.com edited them out ...actually, very, very quickly.....

I see, probably a good thing. I guess I just have to read faster next time!

Tell them what you do.....you're not working as a covert op for the CIA for God's sakes..... :rolleyes:

Just throwing this out there, on the site(can't remember what section it is under) but there is a thread about how people feel been introduced as a cop or LEO, pretty good reading. What I got out off it is what you are comfortable been introduced as is the key. Then again, like Bearcat says, you are not working for the CIA either.

[POSr]

YOU ARE HIRED! YOU ARE ALREADY AHEAD OF THE GAME.

Looks like I'm going to "stick with it!" Ha!

[priorafsf]

If I gather this right, there were no "CALLS" yesterday and so far none today either?

[cduke1]

Just got the call finally, got DC FO, have med next week. He said I was the last call. So for those guys who didnt get one, next announcement is in FEB.

[priorafsf]

does anybody's dates on their dashboard not match up with the actual event? For example mine says 08/14 for the panel interview but is was actually 2 weeks prior to that.

[Blind Justice]

My dates are accurate....

[Blind Justice]

Has ANYONE who had their panel / pt in August received a call?

[ThanAgain]

Has ANYONE who had their panel / pt in August received a call?

I think theres a few who did their interview on august that got a call for CO..

[ThanAgain]

Good news.. I talked to the Chicago Field Office and she said those that completed earlier SAC and panel interviews would naturally be called first to continue process but those that completed around august 12 or so on would still get calls but they are going in order. She said there is no rational or really consistant process. She even said some people wait 6 monts before a call it just depends. I asked if a person waits that long do they need to re apply she said NO... As long as you dont get a reject letter you can be considered at any time.... EVEN 6 MONTHS LATER... She said just continue to work out and always plan as though you could get a call.

HOPE THIS HELPS.. SHE DID SAY CHICAGO OFFICE IS CLOSED UNTIL POSSIBLY THE NEW FISCAL YEAR

i really really hope you are right about this..

[bass21]

I think theres a few who did their interview on august that got a call for CO..
I did mine mid August, and got a CO last week.

[Nightshift va]

The postion for Air Marshal is now open. They will hire about 240 new Fams. But the bad news is all new hires will goto the D.C. or N.Y. office. The pay is good but I would not move to those two offices. Good luck to all who apply because you will need it if you get the postion.

The only reason i would never want to go federal now. I will not live in northern Va, DC or anywhere near NY.

Out west would be nice though.

[cuyler2281]

Did mine on aug 5 and got the call on aug 14

[Helo]

Congrats cduke!

[Blind Justice]

Until I get that mass email saying your not good enough for us, Im still gonna wait for that 703 call...

I think we've all been told something different which is indicitive of govt. jobs, so Im not giving up on the possibility just yet.

Congrats to everyone whos moved on, good luck to everyone still waiting and wanting more.

[Radar12]

I'm with you Blind. It's not over until its confirmed over.

[brickster720]

I'm stuck in medical limbo. Had my medical check and they said I have to go to 2 followup docs for random stuff from when I was a kid... oy vey! Just one more thing to delay me

[Weapon X]

I wouldn't worry Blind Justice, I doubt Newark calls even went out yet.

[Nino06]

Is the LA office closed?

[ACYV223]

Pretty basic, UA, eye test,hearing test, EKG, and then meet with the doc to go over the med forms you filled out. Took about 2 hours, make sure you bring change for parking. No free parking near the building.

Thanks for the tip DPO! Good luck with everything else.

[ACYV223]

Just got the call finally, got DC FO, have med next week. He said I was the last call. So for those guys who didnt get one, next announcement is in FEB.

Congrats cduke! That is a lot of COs for DC. So far who has gotten the CO for DC?

[champs9399]

Congrats cduke! That is a lot of COs for DC. So far who has gotten the CO for DC?

Got a CO for DC last Thursday. Did Medical earlier this week. Finished all the BI stuff yesterday and am now just waiting.

[Spammail.dj]

Until I get that mass email saying your not good enough for us, Im still gonna wait for that 703 call...

I think we've all been told something different which is indicitive of govt. jobs, so Im not giving up on the possibility just yet.

Congrats to everyone whos moved on, good luck to everyone still waiting and wanting more.

I'm with you on that Blind... NO news is still good news and as long as I don't have a red X I have to assume I'm still in the running. Good luck to all my support group bubbas!

[ACYV223]

Got a CO for DC last Thursday. Did Medical earlier this week. Finished all the BI stuff yesterday and am now just waiting.

That's awesome! I have medical next week, almost finished with e-qip, and fingerprints tomorrow, so let's hope it really starts to get moving now and EOD get sent.

[Atlantax]

I'm with you on that Blind... NO news is still good news and as long as I don't have a red X I have to assume I'm still in the running. Good luck to all my support group bubbas!


Hey all, Ive been following this thread for awhile, and I can feel for blind and the others, I passed the panel on 8/7/09. I did receive an email with a conditional offer followed by the medical emails, only to receive a call two days later stating they sent the emails to the wrong person, that I really didnt get an offer, sorry". Talking about having bad luck, So at least they didnt do that to you guys. THe HR person also told me that if I didnt get a call by Tuesday, 8/25, that I can assume I wasnt selected. He also said the rejection letters will be coming out on 8/28/09.

[Fedman 111]

Congrats cduke! That is a lot of COs for DC. So far who has gotten the CO for DC?

I got the DC CO now I'm finished with everything and I'm just waiting for that final offer. My dashboard reflects the same..... I love those checkmarks.

[danthony]

I got DC. I've done and submitted everything with the exception of my medical in 2 wks.

[Helo]

My medical was split in two since the shared doctor for the area wasnt at the office this past week, so I have to go back this coming week. Other than that, everything is done and the ball is out of my court. Waiting patiently. . . again. :cool:

Good luck everyone!

[iamjay27]

Has ANYONE who had their panel / pt in August received a call?

I did, I had my back around mid-august, I think it was the week of the 15th and I got a call.

[Spammail.dj]

Hey all, Ive been following this thread for awhile, and I can feel for blind and the others, I passed the panel on 8/7/09. I did receive an email with a conditional offer followed by the medical emails, only to receive a call two days later stating they sent the emails to the wrong person, that I really didnt get an offer, sorry". Talking about having bad luck, So at least they didnt do that to you guys. THe HR person also told me that if I didnt get a call by Tuesday, 8/25, that I can assume I wasnt selected. He also said the rejection letters will be coming out on 8/28/09.

You got to be $*%*ing kidding me!?!? I hope to god thats just not the case. I was highly recommended, received an excellent on every part of the physical fitness, B.S. degree, 5 Vet points and LE experience. However I only selected the LA field office so that might have contributed. Well gents I cant handle this forum and rumors any longer so I going to leave it up the the TSA dashboard and the postal service. Good luck and KUMBAYA to all...!

[cuyler2281]

Spammail.dj if you only picked LA you might of slimed your chances. For some reason east coast FOs hired the most candidates.

[Spammail.dj]

Spammail.dj if you only picked LA you might of slimed your chances. For some reason east coast FOs hired the most candidates.

I'm going to have to assume so if I get that rejection letter. I would had picked more FO however my wife has a great career here making over 100k and 'm not going to make her give that up for my 40k or so. Well, I'm just going to have to wait and see. Its not over until its over. I'm not really sure what that means but its all that come to mind right now.

Good luck to everyone!

[williamske]

Still no newark calls? so weird. I double checked the job description just to make sure what area I had applied for and it was NJ. At least if there were some newark calls I could say I am out of the game, but none.

Still waiting....:confused:

[ThanAgain]

You got to be $*%*ing kidding me!?!? I hope to god thats just not the case. I was highly recommended, received an excellent on every part of the physical fitness, B.S. degree, 5 Vet points and LE experience. However I only selected the LA field office so that might have contributed. Well gents I cant handle this forum and rumors any longer so I going to leave it up the the TSA dashboard and the postal service. Good luck and KUMBAYA to all...!

I know how you feel.. until we get that big red X or a rejection letter there's still hope, unless we get that letter tomorrow..

Can we apply for other TSA positions?

[jb5722]

newark FO is extremely hard to get, if newark was the only FO you selected I wouldn't hold my breath, but good luck anyway.

[Atlantax]

Congratulations to all you guys who got the CO, for the rest of us that didn’t get the call you can send me a friend invite and maybe we could start our own forum sharing info on other jobs out there. Obviously we are all still looking for a new job.

[williamske]

newark FO is extremely hard to get, if newark was the only FO you selected I wouldn't hold my breath, but good luck anyway.

Obviously it's a hard profession, let alone specific office, to get into. I just find it odd that there were no newark calls. I am hoping their calls did not go out yet. Is this the same situation for LA?

[Blind Justice]

Well guys... I'm out of the running. Good luck to everyone who got the call. I will try again in november...

[williamske]

Well guys... I'm out of the running. Good luck to everyone who got the call. I will try again in november...

:( That sucks blind justice. I fear I might be joining you soon. I am still all green in dashboard still, but we all know how reliable that is :confused:

Congrats you all you men and women who received offers. Good luck with the rest of the process!

[ThanAgain]

Well guys... I'm out of the running. Good luck to everyone who got the call. I will try again in november...

you sure you are done? dashboard? sorry to hear

[bass21]

Congrats cduke! That is a lot of COs for DC. So far who has gotten the CO for DC?

I got one there too. Top choice, lucky me.

[priorafsf]

Blind
Sorry to hear that. How did you get notified? I guessing I am in the same boat as you, I just haven't heard anything yet

[Helo]

Well guys... I'm out of the running. Good luck to everyone who got the call. I will try again in november...

Sorry to hear, Blind. . . Keep your head up!

[Blind Justice]

I was told thanks for playing, you may re-apply in Nov. and will not need to retake the battery test.

[Pvt. Cowboy]

I was red X'd outta the process waaaay before you... Why's my loser letter taking so long? Was it snail mail or email, or did you call?

Nothing better than making a phone call to check status and hear, "At this time, you will not be proceeding forward." :confused:

[DoubleAgent]

Is there any chance for those who have been referred but not received a conditional offer, if applicants drop out for medical/background issues?
Not the most efficient use of resources to have those that have been referred as highly qualified but not called for a conditional offer to have to redo the entire process again.

Still hoping there's a shot, but onwards with other agencies! Good luck to all!

[ThanAgain]

I was red X'd outta the process waaaay before you... Why's my loser letter taking so long? Was it snail mail or email, or did you call?

Nothing better than making a phone call to check status and hear, "At this time, you will not be proceeding forward." :confused:

some of us don't have the red X yet so we aren't sure what's going on

[ThanAgain]

I was told thanks for playing, you may re-apply in Nov. and will not need to retake the battery test.

did you call them?

even if i call HR access, only thing they see is what is onmy dashboard

:confused:

[priorafsf]

Same here, they were not much help. The way it was explained to me from them is they weren't told anything but what was on DASHBOARD. That seems hard to believe but you never know. Obviously others are sharing more based on some posts from this forum.

[manstown]

I will say this. Like most of the problems with the FAMS, they don't care about people other than their own. There have been many people that passed the process and never received a thanks but no thanks letter. Just the way they are.

[cuyler2281]

Just had my medical at the NYFO. Just have to fax my VA disabilty rating letter and I'm good to go.

[paul354]

I was red X'd outta the process waaaay before you... Why's my loser letter taking so long? Was it snail mail or email, or did you call?

Nothing better than making a phone call to check status and hear, "At this time, you will not be proceeding forward." :confused:

I called the FO where I interviewed several weeks ago to check my status when I was told that, "At this time, you will not be proceeding forward." It wasn't until a few days later did they actually update the dashboard.

For others who got the "X" were you told that there would be a letter to follow?...Did anybody receive anything yet? Feel free to PM me.

Good luck to everyone and congratz to those who are moving through the process. I hope to join y'all someday.

[POSr]

I'm still waiting on my assesment battery. LOL No red X and no you suck email yet. I think I've probably been pushed back to the next group since I haven't seen anyone with a similar time line.

[ThanAgain]

I'm still waiting on my assesment battery. LOL No red X and no you suck email yet. I think I've probably been pushed back to the next group since I haven't seen anyone with a similar time line.

That's really strange.. in one of the emails it said an applicant must finish their interview/physical by august 15 to be considered for this vacancy

[cuyler2281]

What do you think are definate DQs for the medical exam? Just wondering.

[seanjohn]

I'm still waiting on my assesment battery. LOL No red X and no you suck email yet. I think I've probably been pushed back to the next group since I haven't seen anyone with a similar time line.

Not too strange I have a friend at the same point. I agree that you may be pushed back to the next cycle though don't know if they are gonna ask you to reapply though.

Anyways, to everyone who did not receive a call with a conditional and information regarding medical did you hear anything? email rejection, dashboard rejection, or nothing at all!
I have a feeling that they are waiting for funding/budget (october for the feds) to move forward this is why I ask. I was not rejected but did not get a thanks but no thanks either.

[formerfed]

What do you think are definate DQs for the medical exam? Just wondering.


Uncorrected vision, color blindness, hearing loss, any uncontrolled health problems, failing the drug test, testing positive for the HIV.

[ifineed2]

Uncorrected vision, color blindness, hearing loss, any uncontrolled health problems, failing the drug test, testing positive for the HIV.

Actually that's not completely correct, if you fail the color blind/hearing test they'll send you a letter from medical saying you need to go see a specialist and send in the results. BTDT...and been hired.

[formerfed]

They will waiver color blindness?

[formerfed]

Actually that's not completely correct, if you fail the color blind/hearing test they'll send you a letter from medical saying you need to go see a specialist and send in the results. BTDT...and been hired.

So what are the DQ's then?

[POSr]

Not too strange I have a friend at the same point. I agree that you may be pushed back to the next cycle though don't know if they are gonna ask you to reapply though.

Anyways, to everyone who did not receive a call with a conditional and information regarding medical did you hear anything? email rejection, dashboard rejection, or nothing at all!
I have a feeling that they are waiting for funding/budget (october for the feds) to move forward this is why I ask. I was not rejected but did not get a thanks but no thanks either.

It's nice to know that someone else is at the same place. Thanks for the info.

[williamske]

I am still green on dashboard and have not received a rejection email or letter.

[ifineed2]

So what are the DQ's then?

Failing a drug test is DEF an auto DQ, I'm hearing that failing the vision isnow and auto DQ, but I can't attest to that. The color blindness and depth perception tests will get you sent to a specialist, which will give you a different color blindness test that will determine whether your really are color blind or not...if you fail that, then yes, that's a DQ. The hearing is the same way, you will get sent to a specialist that will give you a speech recognition test, pass it and you're good to go.

[Atlantax]

I called the FO where I interviewed several weeks ago to check my status when I was told that, "At this time, you will not be proceeding forward." It wasn't until a few days later did they actually update the dashboard.

For others who got the "X" were you told that there would be a letter to follow?...Did anybody receive anything yet? Feel free to PM me.

Good luck to everyone and congratz to those who are moving through the process. I hope to join y'all someday.

when ya call the FO to check the status who are ya talking to, do ya just ask for personel or what? I'm also waiting for a rejection email

[ACYV223]

So I was just wondering how many applicants from the 2009 announcement have received an EOD? I remember someone way back saying that they received an EOD for august but got pushed back to Sept. was that applicant from 2008 or 2009 announcement? Also, who has finished all the pre-employment requirements? It seems to me that people are starting to finish up so hopefully EODs will be going out soon!

[j-mac]

I will have my fingerprints and medical complete on Tuesday and will also be waiting for an EOD. I applied in January 2009. Received COE on 8/15, did fitness and interview on 8/5.

[champs9399]

So I was just wondering how many applicants from the 2009 announcement have received an EOD? I remember someone way back saying that they received an EOD for august but got pushed back to Sept. was that applicant from 2008 or 2009 announcement? Also, who has finished all the pre-employment requirements? It seems to me that people are starting to finish up so hopefully EODs will be going out soon!


All my medical and background paperwork was done as of Thursday, and is in FAMS hands. Just waiting for a phone call now. I applied to the February '09 announcement, and had my PT/Interview 8/4; COE on 8/20. At the medical it sounded like the calls would come pretty soon after you got all your medical and BI done.

[formerfed]

Phone call still has not come, have been waiting since July. Just to give you an idea how long you might wait.

[Helo]

I think (/hope) you're waiting on more classmates to fill a class.

[formerfed]

Keep your head up if your the right candidate the final offer will come.

[cuyler2281]

We will get "the call" it will come. But when we do, here comes the hard part.

[Helo]

I'm looking forward to the challenge. :cool:

[paul354]

Has anything been released or is there any speculation on when those of us that got the "X" can reapply?...I would assume that since the test is still OK we'd be in the 1st round of interviews and have a better chance at getting the job next round, (maybe)?

[Nino06]

Has anything been released or is there any speculation on when those of us that got the "X" can reapply?...I would assume that since the test is still OK we'd be in the 1st round of interviews and have a better chance at getting the job next round, (maybe)?


Hey Paul354,

When did you get the "X", because my dashboard is still flying?

[echat12]

I'm wondering if maybe final offers will go out before the end of this month, since they had said they were trying to get us in this fiscal year? Then the classes would be oct-jan, 50 or so per class?

[williamske]

I am still green and flying also. No red X yet.

[Helo]

nevermind. edit.

[formerfed]

I can confirm final offers are being made.

[Helo]

Very, very cool.

[DPO]

I can confirm final offers are being made.

Awesome! Did you get a class date?

[formerfed]

Yes I did.

[DPO]

Yes I did.

Sweet, light at the end of the tunnel. I have my drug test today and then I'll be completely done and back to staring at my phone for hours and checking my email every 2 minutes :D

[Helo]

Yes I did.

Congratulations! Best of luck out there in the desert (for starters)!

[Fedman 111]

Yes I did.

Formerfed,

Congrats! I hope to join you in class I'm also waiting on Final.

[bman72]

Anyone have the Dashboard URL..? Ole girl at HR gave the wrong one....

Thanks

[formerfed]

Dashboard is unreliable, best option is to call your respective reps in the area your concerned. Be nice to them they hold your future in their hands and don't call more then once a week.

[Weapon X]

Formerfed which Field Office did you get selected for again?

[formerfed]

Formerfed which Field Office did you get selected for again?

Not going to disclose that.

[winglet]

I can confirm final offers are being made.


Congratulations! I'm very happy for you. Glad to hear good news on here.

[williamske]

Congrats FORMERFED! Good luck at training!

[bman72]

FormerFed.....you were right about that. There seems to be a long lag time for the updating process from the F/O's to HR. My dashboard update shows it taking 4 months to update from the time I agreed to COE in April and it posting in August. HR told that many people are having this "issue". So calling is the best route to take to get updated on the process. Anyone else having this issue?

[Blind Justice]

Congrats! Best of luck to ya...

[ThanAgain]

FormerFed.....you were right about that. There seems to be a long lag time for the updating process from the F/O's to HR. My dashboard update shows it taking 4 months to update from the time I agreed to COE in April and it posting in August. HR told that many people are having this "issue". So calling is the best route to take to get updated on the process. Anyone else having this issue?

even if we call HR, they only know what is on the dashboard.. or so they say..

[Helo]

Negative. I think it's the luck of the draw when you call. I was able to get more info than what the dashboard provided in the past. Also, the HR rep that contacted me with the CO gave me her # to talk to in the future. She has been more than helpful.

[dtown101]

Not going to disclose that.

yeah because thats so opsec right...anyways...

[dshoes60031]

HELO how are you going to attend FBI and FAM testing?

[Helo]

HELO how are you going to attend FBI and FAM testing?

Right now I'm rolling the dice. If FAMS comes a callin' I may not even be around. The FBI is my life-long dream job, but I have to say that FAMS interests me enough to the point that I'd jump at the opportunity.:cool:

It's nice having two possible things lining up, I just hope one of them works out (quickly).

[champs9399]

I can confirm final offers are being made.

I can confirm what formerfed has confirmed!! Got the word yesterday evening- see ya in NM Fed.

[Helo]

Congratulations! Are you allowed, or will you say, when your scheduled date is? It's ok if you cannot say.

Argh, not being on the east coast sucks for this. I've had to jump through 20 extra hoops to get my medical done, whereas you guys got it done on one visit! One last step tomorrow. So frustrating...

[winglet]

I can confirm what formerfed has confirmed!! Got the word yesterday evening- see ya in NM Fed.

More good news!!! Congrats Champs!

[INTHEAIRCOP]

Not going to disclose that.

Yea, cause that is top secret information.

[echat12]

Yea, cause that is top secret information.

Do those of you who have gotten a final offer have an updated dashboard? I too am finished with everything and waiting on a date but my checkmarks only go up to conditional offer.

[ACYV223]

I can confirm what formerfed has confirmed!! Got the word yesterday evening- see ya in NM Fed.


congrats to formerfed and champs! It appears everything is moving along pretty fast so I hope to get the offer soon!

[Nino06]

Has anyone received a rejection email or letter?

[FAMSapplicant]

I have not. My best guess is that they are holding onto the rest of us until they line up the people which have gotten offers. They'd be in a sore spot if they rejected us and then half their selected applicants suddenly washed out of medical =P

[Nino06]

Good point.

[Fedman 111]

Do those of you who have gotten a final offer have an updated dashboard? I too am finished with everything and waiting on a date but my checkmarks only go up to conditional offer.

I got my final call at the start of the week and my dashboard is flying over Final Offer..... I'll see you guys in Artesia real soon.

[ThanAgain]

I got my final call at the start of the week and my dashboard is flying over Final Offer..... I'll see you guys in Artesia real soon.


so the dashboard is being updated...

[cuyler2281]

I can also confirm they are giving final offers. I got the call today and received my EOD.

[runeire]

Congrats Cuyler....if you dont mind me asking, when did you complete your medical and submit your eQip? I just completed mine last week so I im trying to figure out where I stand.

[cuyler2281]

Did my medical at NYFO Friday and submitted my eqip 2 weeks ago.

[ACYV223]

Congrats Cuyler....if you dont mind me asking, when did you complete your medical and submit your eQip? I just completed mine last week so I im trying to figure out where I stand.

I think an important part that you are leaving out is where did you get the medical done? It appears that the people who got the medical done in the field office (DC or NYC) have been getting the offers quicker. I got mine done in a clinic earlier this week and I am guessing that will add at least a week or two onto the length of my process (oh well, now I kind of wish that I went to DC to do the med). Actually I still have the drug test to do tomorrow so I am not quite done yet.
Is anyone able to tell us if their EOD is in Sept. or Oct. or later?
Thanks

[Helo]

Is anyone able to tell us if their EOD is in Sept. or Oct. or later?
Thanks

I'm getting married soon and would like to know this as well.

[runeire]

Did my medical at NYFO Friday and submitted my eqip 2 weeks ago.

Good to hear calls are going out so soon. I did my Med at NYFO on Thursday, submitted eQip the beginning of last week. I will be "patiently" waiting for that call....

[DPO]

Just got a call :)....to verify a date on my med forms :(

She did say that I should be hearing from them soon, probably just being nice though :p

[cuyler2281]

ACYV223, your right. That's why I did my medical at a FO. My friend who is a air marshal said it will be faster than going to a clinic. Plus you get everything done in one day. There is a late Sept class they are trying to fill.

[Fedman 111]

My EOD is this month and I just got the call this week. I'm jumping thru hoops getting ready. I didn't think I'd be on this soon but after the wait I've been thru I'm ready to roll.... after I jump thru hoops.

[NightFAMer]

Keep your spirits up...word is that they are looking to load up before the end of the fiscal year..Good Luck.

[formerfed]

Was anybody successful in negotiating for more money?

[Helo]

Keep your spirits up...word is that they are looking to load up before the end of the fiscal year..Good Luck.

Yup for 3 classes.

[WVU Brubbz]

How do you know there are 3 class dates?

[Helo]

I was just told. :)

[formerfed]

EOD dates will line up with pay-periods.

[WVU Brubbz]

I was just told. :)

Thanks for the info. I guess we will just wait for the call. :)

[winglet]

Got my call this morning! So excited. See you all at training!

[cuyler2281]

Did anyone get a call for Newark? I think everyone as of now is either going to NYFO or WFO. Either way DPO, Weapon X, and Winglet I'll see you guys in a few weeks!!!

[BPD Once]

My understanding is that they are really trying to beef up WFO. They are losing people almost weekly. A number I heard tossed out was roughly 200 just for WFO in the upcoming months to account for transfers and attrition.

[Cman21]

Did anyone get a call for Newark? I think everyone as of now is either going to NYFO or WFO. Either way DPO, Weapon X, and Winglet I'll see you guys in a few weeks!!!

Still waiting on call for Newark and no red X yet.

[jb5722]

its not a good idea to post specific numbers on the internet, especially with regards to numbers being hired, numbers leaving, FO's with large attrition issues. these are all things that could potentially help someone with bad intentions decide on what flights to target.

[Fedman 111]

its not a good idea to post specific numbers on the internet, especially with regards to numbers being hired, numbers leaving, FO's with large attrition issues. these are all things that could potentially help someone with bad intentions decide on what flights to target.

I 2nd!

[Weapon X]

Cuyler no call yet, I'm assuming because you got your 86 in a little before me.

[manstown]

its not a good idea to post specific numbers on the internet, especially with regards to numbers being hired, numbers leaving, FO's with large attrition issues. these are all things that could potentially help someone with bad intentions decide on what flights to target.

It's really not that big of a deal folks. This is information that has been put in the papers and media in the past. You can google stuff like this and find a ton of stories on it. It's not the CIA or NSA. The problems with the FAMS has been the headlines of many papers. The percentage of flights covered by FAMS has even been made known to the public.

[dtown101]

It's really not that big of a deal folks. This is information that has been put in the papers and media in the past. You can google stuff like this and find a ton of stories on it. It's not the CIA or NSA. The problems with the FAMS has been the headlines of many papers. The percentage of flights covered by FAMS has even been made known to the public.

I heard all flights are covered by fams...cause there is like a kagillion fams out there....we all carry "lazers" for guns and we also where stormtrooper gear........yall need to relax about what you can and can not post on here....like mans said..most info has already been reported somehow in the open press...

[brickster720]

i'm processing out of WFO, but am still waiting to get cleared on medical... i had to go to a specialist, but I hope to have all of it sorted out next week

in case you all were curious, the medical people up in egg harbor township now have a working fax machine. I called to confirm that on tuesday

[manstown]

How come I never got a laser!? Damn ATSAC!

[BPD Once]

its not a good idea to post specific numbers on the internet, especially with regards to numbers being hired, numbers leaving, FO's with large attrition issues. these are all things that could potentially help someone with bad intentions decide on what flights to target.

I don't know whether you guys think this is some kind of covert ops gig but it's not. Fly out of DCA for a month and everyone there will know who you are.

[BPD Once]

I heard all flights are covered by fams...cause there is like a kagillion fams out there....we all carry "lazers" for guns and we also where stormtrooper gear........yall need to relax about what you can and can not post on here....like mans said..most info has already been reported somehow in the open press...

I was recently issued my poison tipped blow dart set and I heard that they are talking about just putting us in the jump seat with an AK just so everyone knows we are there.

[Helo]

Oh, I heard the new issued sidearm was a taser --- not a laser. :D (geez, I hope not)

[bman72]

What has to be completed in the process before the E-qip is submitted? I did my drug test, SAC interview, panel interview, PT test all the same day. I also did my medical thru my doctor ($100) and turned that in the same day too. I have not done the battery test yet,,,but did my COE online in April. HR desk told me I was still good to go. Fives months is killing me.:confused:

Any ideas?

[formerfed]

What has to be completed in the process before the E-qip is submitted? I did my drug test, SAC interview, panel interview, PT test all the same day. I also did my medical thru my doctor ($100) and turned that in the same day too. I have not done the battery test yet,,,but did my COE online in April. HR desk told me I was still good to go. Fives months is killing me.:confused:

Any ideas?


Your process is confusing? Does not follow the dashboard or other peoples experiences.

[DPO]

What has to be completed in the process before the E-qip is submitted? I did my drug test, SAC interview, panel interview, PT test all the same day. I also did my medical thru my doctor ($100) and turned that in the same day too. I have not done the battery test yet,,,but did my COE online in April. HR desk told me I was still good to go. Fives months is killing me.:confused:

Any ideas?

That seems pretty strange, why did you have to pay for the medical out of pocket? No bettery test either?

[bman72]

I know. Can you see why I'm wondering what's next...?!
I wasn't told that my medical would be paid for. So I guess I eat that.
When does the e-qip come in to play? I have not been able to access that yet. It says I need authorization. As far as the dashboard goes, the HR desk rep. said she would have to get my FO to forward an update so it can reflect what I "actually" have done. Trying keep my patience and spirits up. My concern is that I turned 37 in June(advised my SAC during the interview in April), but I signed my COE prior. So, hopefully there is NO formality on the age cuttoff, since technically I signed on before.

[formerfed]

I know. Can you see why I'm wondering what's next...?!
I wasn't told that my medical would be paid for. So I guess I eat that.
When does the e-qip come in to play? I have not been able to access that yet. It says I need authorization. As far as the dashboard goes, the HR desk rep. said she would have to get my FO to forward an update so it can reflect what I "actually" have done. Trying keep my patience and spirits up. My concern is that I turned 37 in June(advised my SAC during the interview in April), but I signed my COE prior. So, hopefully there is NO formality on the age cuttoff, since technically I signed on before.

How did you have the medical done without being told where to go and who to see? The field office only sends the PT results and whether or not you have been recommend for hire. FAM security has to email you and grant access to Eqip. I don't understand how your process has been so different from the rest of us. Not sure if you have to be EOD before your 37th birthday.

[Fedman 111]

bman72,

You might want to look into why your hiring process is so backwards and out of order. Are you sure you applied to be a FAM?

[echat12]

Got a check mark over medical. Next step: Prehire background investigation. They called me to clarify some things yesterday so hopefully I'll be cleared by early next week. Have a great weekend everybody!

[danthony]

Did my drug test today and have medical set for the 17th (the earliest they could do). Now I get to sit and wait. I hope they don't run out of slots and those cool new lasers

[INTHEAIRCOP]

It's really not that big of a deal folks. This is information that has been put in the papers and media in the past. You can google stuff like this and find a ton of stories on it. It's not the CIA or NSA. The problems with the FAMS has been the headlines of many papers. The percentage of flights covered by FAMS has even been made known to the public.

" I SECOND THAT " Just google air marshal and you will find out all you want to know about the FAM service.

[gonefishin]

" I SECOND THAT " Just google air marshal and you will find out all you want to know about the FAM service.

And if you want pictures of all the FAMS look up all the finalists on G4's Ninja Warrior.....cause you have to be a ninja warrior to be a FAM

[ACYV223]

And if you want pictures of all the FAMS look up all the finalists on G4's Ninja Warrior.....cause you have to be a ninja warrior to be a FAM

Well I should fit into the FAM nicely, since I am a certified ninja warrior.

[cuyler2281]

FormerFed. When HR
called with the final offer she said that I would start at the low end of G. I explained that I was a former active duty 1LT and have managed more than 30 employees for the last 5 years. She said she would review my qualifications again and send my offer letter monday.

[champs9399]

Have any of you guys received a hard copy of your offer letter yet? I've only got the phone call for a final offer, which they said was "official", but I am just a little hesitant to notify my current employer until I get something in writing.

[gonefishin]

Have any of you guys received a hard copy of your offer letter yet? I've only got the phone call for a final offer, which they said was "official", but I am just a little hesitant to notify my current employer until I get something in writing.
Unless things have changed they should fax you a final offer letter that you have to sign and send back....the letter should give you a break down of your salary

[cuyler2281]

No fax. They wil email you your offer letter for you to sign and fax back

[formerfed]

I have only received an offer by phone, awaiting the hardcopy.

[formerfed]

It may have been my imagination but it seemed that HR would only bring a person in at a higher rate within the G band if they had previous federal employment, that exceeded the bottom G band pay.

[ifineed2]

It may have been my imagination but it seemed that HR would only bring a person in at a higher rate within the G band if they had previous federal employment, that exceeded the bottom G band pay.

Thats not right, I was brought in with people with law degrees that were brought in at the H band.

[formerfed]

For the most recent announcement?

[cuyler2281]

Active duty military counts towards federal employment. Pay should factor on education and experience.

[danthony]

So does that mean with a 4 yr degree and 5 years prior LEO I may come in as an H or mid to high G?

[manstown]

I will say this. Had a LT in my class that was only brought in at the low end of the G band. I came out of the military as a E-5. The only reason my pay was matched was because of my FED LE time. Why they do it that way is a mystery. I wouldn't bank on many getting higher than the low end of the G scale unless you have FED LE time. Maybe some FED time will help. I was just talking to a buddy of mine about this the other day. He said they have more than enough people in the hiring bank. Get a feel of the person on the other end of the phone before you press the issue. Push too hard and you might not get a call back. I will agree with you. Pay should be weighed on education and experience. Not necessarily in that order.

[manstown]

So does that mean with a 4 yr degree and 5 years prior LEO I may come in as an H or mid to high G?

Nope. Not unless that LE time is with the FED.

[TXICE]

From my understanding, the only time the FAM's MUST pay match is when you are coming from another agency under DHS.

[justdoitking]

http://www.airmarshal.us/

[cuyler2281]

I know people who started off at 49k with no FED LEO. Its on how you sell yourself. For the LT mentioned, was he or she on active duty and how many people did they have direct supervison over? If a person has managed 25- 30 employees and has a degree and combat experience that should count for something. Taking a 20k pay cut and getting shipped to NYC is tough.

[911fedz]

I can tell you all that are coming in, you will come in at the G level, maybe at the high end of the G scale, and you would add the 25% on top. But when you look at it, you still will be on the G scale with the basic pay.

[danthony]

But is it LEAP and locality?

[ifineed2]

I can tell you all that are coming in, you will come in at the G level, maybe at the high end of the G scale, and you would add the 25% on top. But when you look at it, you still will be on the G scale with the basic pay.

Nope. Not unless that LE time is with the FED.

So does that mean with a 4 yr degree and 5 years prior LEO I may come in as an H or mid to high G?

I'm not in the current process, I went through it back in '07 and was picked up then so I can't say they haven't changed things...BUT when I was brought on they DID hire people at different bands depending on the experience they had. I was brought on with someone that had been on swat for 16 years and he was hired on in the I band...can things change? I would agree in saying that there are MANY people already in the pipeline, but if you feel you have the experience to be brought in at a higher level, you need to do your best to plead your case. It's all in how you present yourself, I CAN tell you this, I work for a federal agency and I've seen people go from GS-7 to GS-11's in one move, don't tell me it doesn't happen b/c it does, it's up to YOU to prove that you have the experience.

[EnWhyPeeDee]

Does anyone know when the next job announcement is going to be?

[cuyler2281]

You have to SELL YOURSELF. If you just say ok, they will get you cheap!! Just ask and you may get it.

[manstown]

I agree. But I know one or two people that tried to sell themselves and never got a call back. I'm not saying that you can't ask. But get the wrong person and you will be asking for another job offer instead of a higher pay band. They don't care where you've been or what rank you are. They have a ton of people they can bring on and brain wash for a lot less. It's just advice. I was brought on at the H band. But that was back in 2006. They were still matching pay. You sold yourself in the interview.

[dtown101]

I agree. But I know one or two people that tried to sell themselves and never got a call back. I'm not saying that you can't ask. But get the wrong person and you will be asking for another job offer instead of a higher pay band. They don't care where you've been or what rank you are. They have a ton of people they can bring on and brain wash for a lot less. It's just advice. I was brought on at the H band. But that was back in 2006. They were still matching pay. You sold yourself in the interview.


from what i know...they will only hire at G unless your already in the fed gov

[cuyler2281]

We all know they hiring at G band. We are questioning where in G band.

[manstown]

You should be able to get middle of the G if not higher. But you are dealing with the FAMS. It could go either way.

[dtown101]

[QUOTE=cuyler2281;1971094]We all know they hiring at G band. We are questioning where in G band.[/QU

are you serious...anywhere within the G band...what more can people say...if your not coming from fed then expect it to be low G ..coming from fed expect middle to high G....if you want dollars and cents your not gonna get it here or PM and ill give a guesstimate on salary

[horse]

Please ,for All That Are Looking To Get Into This Career For The $......you Might Want To Start Thinking About Taking Back Your App. Its Not About The $. There Is No Need For More Of That Type. If You Have Done Your Reseach Then You Know What Your Gonna Make And How It Will Apply To You.im Willing To Bet Its More Than Whats In Coming Now.im Not Trying To Be Rude Ot Insensitve But A Little Blind Faith Will Really Pay Off Sometimes.

[cuyler2281]

I didn't become a military officer and deploy to combat zones for the money. I wanted to serve my country. I still want to serve so I applied to FAMS. Salary was brought up and we were just discussing our thoughts.

[ifineed2]

I didn't become a military officer and deploy to combat zones for the money. I wanted to serve my country. I still want to serve so I applied to FAMS. Salary was brought up and we were just discussing our thoughts.

You're DEFINITELY not the only that deployed to serve their country, just about every time you've posted you've made reference to having done so...we got that, it's great, but MANY of the other appllicants have the same quals as you do. I worked with guys who had done multiple tours and were SF or Rangers...so being an officer doesn't assure you a position nor does it assure you that you're going to get picked up.

[cuyler2281]

I only mentioned being an officer, because hr asked when discussing salary. If I only wanted money I would stay in corporate. Having a tab or doubled stack feels great, but hr didn't discuss that. Formerfed asked about salary and I just reffered to what I was told by hr. Not tring to have a dual of words.

[cuyler2281]

You were in Mosul right? What unit? You asked but never responded. We were there at the same time. Were you at Merez or Diamondback?

[ifineed2]

I was in 1-17 infantry, on marez. Who were you with?

[cuyler2281]

1-321 (ABN) FAR. Where were you out of?

[ifineed2]

Ft Wainwright, alaska. Did 12 months in Mosul and 4 months 28 days in baghdad after being stop-lossed.

[cuyler2281]

Are you current FAMS and if so where? I take it, maybe St Louis because your profile says Missouri.

[ifineed2]

PM sent...

[formerfed]

I asked about the money to get some insight to ensure I'm fairly compensated for my previous experience and education.

[manstown]

Formerfed,

Sometimes it works out that way and sometimes it doesn't. Since I have been in FED LE, I have seen college graduates get more money than people with local LE time and military. The only people I have seen get more money then them are people with FED LE time. Does it suck? Yep! I would be ****ed if I was one of those guys/gals that received lower pay than someone with no experience. It's the way the G works. You can have all the experience in the world, but get offered less than a college graduate. There is no "fair compensation for experience and education." How they come up with pay offers will blow anyones mind. Your education and experience may get you a little more than starting pay, but I guarantee there is someone in your class with a degree getting paid more than you. Trust me on this. Local guys and military have been getting ****ed on with pay for years now.

[DPO]

Got the call!!!!! EOD 9/28!!!!:D:D:D

[runeire]

Congrats DPO! I got the call today as well...can't wait to head down to Artesia.

[DPO]

Congrats DPO! I got the call today as well...can't wait to head down to Artesia.

Thanks! You too. Ughh now I have to tell my current department :(

[Helo]

Congrats!

I fully expect the call (for me, anyway) to come after today. I'm sure the holiday kept the results of my drug test being posted until today. . . Trying not to get too antsy, but the SAC told me I WILL get a call this week. Hopefully. (I'm having to counsel myself through this, ha)

[danthony]

Does anybody know if the FAMS will allow you to burn your comp time, vacation, and sick at your current employer while you are in NM? I'd hate to just lose all that time when I could just burn it and get paid by my current employer while in the academy.

[echat12]

Congrats DPO! I got the call today as well...can't wait to head down to Artesia.

I got the call today too! One month between start date and actual training. That should be fun!

[ACYV223]

Got the call!!!!! EOD 9/28!!!!:D:D:D

Congrats DPO! I did all my stuff a couple of days after you so I hope to get the call within the next day or two.

[Helo]

Just received my call as well! WooHoo!

[ACYV223]

Does anybody know if the FAMS will allow you to burn your comp time, vacation, and sick at your current employer while you are in NM? I'd hate to just lose all that time when I could just burn it and get paid by my current employer while in the academy.

If your comp time, vacation, etc. is FED time/leave than it should just transfer over, but if it is not FED time/leave you will have to go through your current employer to allow you to use that. If it is not FED time/leave then FAMS has no control over that. Obviously, any one of us would love to be paid for two jobs at the same time, but as I said earlier your current employer would have to sign off to pay you for your leave time even though they know you are leaving.

[runeire]

Same here eChat. Im looking forward to it....good luck to everyone else still waiting.

[cuyler2281]

DPO see you soon! Congrats, PM me and I'll give you a heads up on a couple of things.