Air Marshal Job Open !

[want2baleo86]

So you are in the September class?

Yes

[want2baleo86]

Does anyone know when the sept class plans to start? I want to go on vacation the 3rd-10th...and if by any crazy chance I get offered a spot I wouldn't want to have to cancel

On or around the 26th.

[retroson]

is there a walter on here, that works in PA, and worked in LP

[vincentvega]

I finished everything last week for an east coast office that I'm hoping still needs to fill slots.
It just doesn't make sense to me for them to continue to interview and test people if they are just going to fill one class in September. I'm assuming(and hoping) that they will hire off this announcement after October. It just seems like a waste of time and money otherwise.

For the people that have received an EOD, did they do a full background check or were you given an interim clearance. PM with answer if you want, thanks.

[Blind Justice]

Ok. Now I am beyond confused and frustrated. I called the hr/recruitment line to ask about the avil cities. I was told that the only FO being filled are LA. NYC. DC and NJ. I was also told that if you didn't apply for any of those 4 you would need to reapply this fall when it opens back up as you can not change where you applied. She said one class in sept. And it would NOT be the last class this year.


Like anything else, crap can change over night. So take it with a grain of salt....

[cduke1]

Quick question, when do they ask for your preferences for FO. I have already passed everything and am waiting for a email about my **** test/med. I told the SAC at my interview I could care less where they sent me, I just wanted a job. But no one has offically asked me to list preferences on paper. Any info would be great.

Thanks.

[brickster720]

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[FD2FED1977]

Quick question, when do they ask for your preferences for FO. I have already passed everything and am waiting for a email about my **** test/med. I told the SAC at my interview I could care less where they sent me, I just wanted a job. But no one has offically asked me to list preferences on paper. Any info would be great.

Thanks.

When you initially applied was when you were supposed to put down your preferences...

[Helo]

Sounds like we're all getting different info, but I would venture to guess that the hiring blitz is on! It's best to remain optimistic guys, keep your heads up! Best of luck.

[hiltonheadgolf]

Just got back from my panel. Did well on the panel and ATSAC interviews, but as expected was lacking in some of the PFT areas.

During our down time, the babysitters at the DC FO were saying that they are trying to fill this August Class, September Class, and October class. They even said that if necessary they might try to put people on the books and have them do Admin stuff in the FO until another class comes up... just to make sure they use their funding for this FY.

One thing that struck me as interesting, and I'm not sure if it's just for DC, is he said they were hiring about 300 out of the 1200 that applied.

Just more food for thought


Whether it is accurate or not, it's probably best to keep numbers off internet boards.

[vindecent]

Completed my Panel and PFT this week, got the call today to come in to meet the SAC next week. Seems things are still moving along here.

I cant imagine they would waste our time for those still scheduled if they were not looking to fill, they have plenty of better things to do then sit in interviews all day.

[williamske]

I am getting conflicting information about the PT. I was told originally it was on a track outside, and now after talking to a current FAM - I was told it is on a treadmill. Which would be super...you just set the speed and run.

[FD2FED1977]

I am getting conflicting information about the PT. I was told originally it was on a track outside, and now after talking to a current FAM - I was told it is on a treadmill. Which would be super...you just set the speed and run.

I'm a pretty tough guy, but, down in good ol' NC, it's supposed to be 99 degrees on Monday. Ain't nothing like an afternoon run in 99 degree heat!!:eek:

[winglet]

I am getting conflicting information about the PT. I was told originally it was on a track outside, and now after talking to a current FAM - I was told it is on a treadmill. Which would be super...you just set the speed and run.

That would be fantastic. I have my PT and panel Monday and it's looking like a scattered thunderstorms kind of day.

[weasel3o3]

Can someone whose been through it confirm? Is it really done on a treadmill? That would make it considerably easier to pace yourself.

[hiltonheadgolf]

Can someone whose been through it confirm? Is it really done on a treadmill? That would make it considerably easier to pace yourself.


Depends on the FO, but most likely outside. Be prepared for either.


Good Luck !

[FD2FED1977]

How about lifting gloves? Can you wear them during the pull ups and push ups? Ipod during the run?

[hiltonheadgolf]

How about lifting gloves? Can you wear them during the pull ups and push ups? Ipod during the run?

Yes you can...to all three



Good Luck !

[backtwo]

I am new to this form, and wanted to know if there are any prior military in here that have signed into the FAM? How does the military time convert to the Federal time as far as retirement? I have 3 years left in the Army and am really interested in the FAMS and want to start as soon as I can for a spot.

Thank you!!

[BamaCounty]

anyone having trouble taking the Assessment ? I have tried twice now and get sorry we are book. The TSA help desk keeps sending request in to get me in one and no luck.

[hk7777]

Been reading the forum for a long time. I just logged on to my TSA dashboard and my air marshal application is no longer listed. I'm set to have my panel and PT test next week.

Any idea what the issue is? Is the TSA dash board just not reliable?

[DaShwstoppahbk]

Hk7777 my FAM app status was taken off the dashboard today as well....dont know what to make of it....and for everyone else i took the PT test outside on a HALF MILE blacktop circle in 110 degree heat....so consider yourself VERY lucky if you get to run on a treadmill!

[Helo]

Been reading the forum for a long time. I just logged on to my TSA dashboard and my air marshal application is no longer listed. I'm set to have my panel and PT test next week.

Any idea what the issue is? Is the TSA dash board just not reliable?

Two pages back...



FYI, I've been working with HR to get the dashboard up to speed with where I'm at in the process (It says I still need to complete the battery assessment, currently I have passed the PFT/panel). They just got back to me today and said that the dashboard will most likely not work for the rest of my process and they are still working out bugs in the system.

Just thought I'd throw that out there in case others are having issues w/ the dashboard.

[cduke1]

I guess it depends on the FO. I took my PT last week in dallas and it was on a treadmill. I am in pretty good shape since Iam only 24 and active military but not used to running on a treadmill. For my time to be excellent I had to run at a 8.8 speed constant. I have very short legs so you can imagine how hard that was! My advice if you have not taken it yet and do not know what you will run on, alternate days where you run on a track one day and a treadmill the next. If your short like me, treadmills are not designed for you. Good luck!

[Fedman 111]

Guys,

For all having issues with the dashboard. I called the HR helpdesk yesterday because my status had not been updated since the 9th of last month and I've already done the FAB/Panel/PFT. They told me that they have been having issues with the Dashboard and not to worry. I checked my status again today and noticed that my FAM application is gone. The person I spoke with yesterday said that they would be working on the Dashboard to get everyone updated. If your application isn't on there I wouldn't worry I'm sure they're just working on fixing issues with the Dashboard. Good Luck to all going up for the Panel in the near future.

[williamske]

You can really bring lifting gloves and an ipod?!

[hiltonheadgolf]

Not sure where you're taking it, but yes guys at our FO took it wearing them. You can always ask when you get there, the worst your instructor will tell you is no.

[cpdsullivan117]

I took the PT last month, and was initially told yes to wearing an IPOD/MP3 during the run, but right before I began was told no b/c it was an unfair advantage or something along those lines. Bring one just in case they let you, but don't bank on it.

[williamske]

Can someone explain the difference btwn the panel and SAC interview?

[911fedz]

Can someone explain the difference btwn the panel and SAC interview?

Normally when you pass the panel then you see the SAC, he will normally give his blessing for hire. So in other words, if you never talk to a SAC, or ASAC or a ATSAC then it may be a good sign that you application my go to the back of the line.

[airisfine]

Just got back from my panel. Did well on the panel and ATSAC interviews, but as expected was lacking in some of the PFT areas.

During our down time, the babysitters at the DC FO were saying that they are trying to fill this August Class, September Class, and October class. They even said that if necessary they might try to put people on the books and have them do Admin stuff in the FO until another class comes up... just to make sure they use their funding for this FY.

One thing that struck me as interesting, and I'm not sure if it's just for DC, is he said they were hiring about 300 out of the 1200 that applied.

Just more food for thought

Dude I have seen people get called to the medical, get chewed out and kicked out of the process for less then what you put down, didnt you sign a nondisclosure agreement. Are you sure your ready for a TS clearance.

[airisfine]

I am new to this form, and wanted to know if there are any prior military in here that have signed into the FAM? How does the military time convert to the Federal time as far as retirement? I have 3 years left in the Army and am really interested in the FAMS and want to start as soon as I can for a spot.

Thank you!!

Each active duty year is one percent on the back end of your retirement. In my case, I work twenty and bought back eight years of military so I get 1.7 percent the first twenty and 1 percent for the following eight years. Every year after your first twenty is 1 percent regardless. The cost is based on what you made. 8 years cost me 4 grand which is a sweet deal

[airisfine]

For the record, my appologies brick

[brickster720]

it's cool, i just feel bad for having offended anyone or stepping over any lines. i deleted the original.

[Serve_N_Protect]

I am a little worried that I haven't been scheduled the PFT/SAC/Medical yet and Aug. 15th is just one week away. I have called the FO earlier this week to ask them if I will be able to complete the steps before the 15th and they said I will be getting a call soon to set it up. Don't know if I should call the FO again, call HR or just sweat it out. Any thoughts?

[hiltonheadgolf]

I am a little worried that I haven't been scheduled the PFT/SAC/Medical yet and Aug. 15th is just one week away. I have called the FO earlier this week to ask them if I will be able to complete the steps before the 15th and they said I will be getting a call soon to set it up. Don't know if I should call the FO again, call HR or just sweat it out. Any thoughts?

It won't hurt for you to call anyone. You should be OK though, I believe the medical is not part of the August 15th requirements.


Good Luck !

[Serve_N_Protect]

It won't hurt for you to call anyone. You should be OK though, I believe the medical is not part of the August 15th requirements.


Good Luck !


Thanks, tomorrow I am going to call HR and if they have nothing then on Mon I will call the FO.

[usmcvet]

Hello everyone. I, too, am in the application process. I had my panel interview two weeks ago and still haven't got a call to do the PTA. Is this a bad sign?

[Spammail.dj]

Ok. Now I am beyond confused and frustrated. I called the hr/recruitment line to ask about the avil cities. I was told that the only FO being filled are LA. NYC. DC and NJ. I was also told that if you didn't apply for any of those 4 you would need to reapply this fall when it opens back up as you can not change where you applied. She said one class in sept. And it would NOT be the last class this year.


Like anything else, crap can change over night. So take it with a grain of salt....

Ok...Now I really don't know what the f%@k is going on??? I thought LA was no longer available. I hope to god it is because thats what Im shooting for.

[dtown101]

Dude I have seen people get called to the medical, get chewed out and kicked out of the process for less then what you put down, didnt you sign a nondisclosure agreement. Are you sure your ready for a TS clearance.


are you kidding me...he didnt disclose anything related to SSI...give me a break...

[williamske]

wish me luck. I am going today

[winglet]

wish me luck. I am going today


Best of luck!

[PHILLYFED]

Anyone starting at the NYFO next week?? Please PM me!
Thanks

[horse]

expect a possible hiring freeze, or a severe delay in the processes.seems if you have made the pft portion,prob in good shape.

[horse]

and passed with good qual anyway

[FAM Hopeful]

expect a possible hiring freeze, or a severe delay in the processes.seems if you have made the pft portion,prob in good shape.

[birdman07]

Dashboard is up, my process is stopped at panel. Never even got to take the pft.

[DaShwstoppahbk]

well i guess im out of the process too.....my dashboard says "process stopped" at the step that says referred for selection.....guess im out of the running :(.....still makes no sense why they would issue a TO to me post panel, Physical test, and SAC interview if they weren't considering me

[MPDCjock]

When was the last air marshal announcement?

[williamske]

Ok I think I did good today. Now it's a waiting game.

[backtwo]

Each active duty year is one percent on the back end of your retirement. In my case, I work twenty and bought back eight years of military so I get 1.7 percent the first twenty and 1 percent for the following eight years. Every year after your first twenty is 1 percent regardless. The cost is based on what you made. 8 years cost me 4 grand which is a sweet deal

So how long do you have to work for retirement in the Fed? Is it like the Army where I have to do 20 and then I can draw my retirement, or do you have to wait till your 90 or something? Also I will have 12 yrs by the time I leave the Army, can I add that time and do 8 more for a total of 20yrs?
I have been looking around and the sites for a posting of a job opening and still have not seen one yet. Is there a set time that they post FAMS jobs, or are they random?
Thanks,

[williamske]

Does anyone have a good FLETC workout training program? I would like to be well associated with crossfit if given the opportunity to attend training. I have seen one online for sale. It is 16.95 but I do not know if it has what I need.

http://store.militaryfitnessebooks.com/6weflwo.html

[cduke1]

Just got an email from my local FO ATSAC. I had my Panel/PT/Sac last week and he just sent me an email telling me that they will contact everyone who was selected sometime between Aug 18-21. He said they are just waiting for the cutoff date of the 14th to pass before they release anything. So for all you guys who are in the same boat I am. Meaning you have taken your panel/pt/sac and are just waiting for a phone call to say ye or ne, keep your phones close during the 18-21. Good luck everybody!

[FAM Hopeful]

Just got an email from my local FO ATSAC. I had my Panel/PT/Sac last week and he just sent me an email telling me that they will contact everyone who was selected sometime between Aug 18-21. He said they are just waiting for the cutoff date of the 14th to pass before they release anything. So for all you guys who are in the same boat I am. Meaning you have taken your panel/pt/sac and are just waiting for a phone call to say ye or ne, keep your phones close during the 18-21. Good luck everybody!

[Blind Justice]

Well damn, I hope I get that same email before the 18th...

The panel interviewers didnt really show much emotion, however the ASAC seemed to like what I had to say... Had to tell though.

Anyone one here not have the SAC interview after going through with the PT & panel?

Good luck all!

[FAM Hopeful]

Just got an email from my local FO ATSAC. I had my Panel/PT/Sac last week and he just sent me an email telling me that they will contact everyone who was selected sometime between Aug 18-21. He said they are just waiting for the cutoff date of the 14th to pass before they release anything. So for all you guys who are in the same boat I am. Meaning you have taken your panel/pt/sac and are just waiting for a phone call to say ye or ne, keep your phones close during the 18-21. Good luck everybody!

[FAM Hopeful]

.......................

[Blind Justice]

It is a pass/fail interview if I am understanding the process. It tends to be pretty emotionless seeing as they just read the questions and are not even interviewing you for their own office. I believe you need to pass to interview with the SAC or ATSAC.

Well then I feel pretty damn confident... :)

[famwannab]

Really confused. Panel interview with the SAC, on 8/6. Didn't have to do the PT.Said they would call or e-mail me with the next step. No red X on my dashboard yet.

[usmcvet]

Really confused. Panel interview with the SAC, on 8/6. Didn't have to do the PT.Said they would call or e-mail me with the next step. No red X on my dashboard yet.


I'm on the same boat. Did my panel with the ATSAC almost three weeks ago. No call or email on the PT yet either. My dashboard still says in process, and August 15 is just a couple of days away:o. I am confused on what to make of it. :confused:

[FAM Hopeful]

I'm on the same boat. Did my panel with the ATSAC almost three weeks ago. No call or email on the PT yet either. My dashboard still says in process, and August 15 is just a couple of days away:o. I am confused on what to make of it. :confused:

[usmcvet]

That's really strange. the PEB only takes half an hour or so. There is no reason they shouldn't do both the same day unless you failed the panel or SAC interviews.

They were pretty emotionless during the interview, so I couldn't tell if I passed or failed it. I know that they seemed to be happy with alot of my answers. At the end of the interview, they said that they will contact me for the PT because, according to them that particular FO did not do interviews and PT on the same day. That was what they also said a couple of days before my interview when I called them regarding PT. Anyway, I am still hopeful.

[famwannab]

well, the 2 current FAM's at the interview said they would like to have me as their partner and have their backs,so I guess I passed. I re-read the original letter and it says"during the assessment process you may be required to complete a PTA....will provide the FAMS with an indication or your present ability...maybe sometimes they feel it's not necessary to make a determination if you look fit.?

[Blind Justice]

well, the 2 current FAM's at the interview said they would like to have me as their partner and have their backs,so I guess I passed. I re-read the original letter and it says"during the assessment process you may be required to complete a PTA....will provide the FAMS with an indication or your present ability...maybe sometimes they feel it's not necessary to make a determination if you look fit.?


I dont know about all that... all 6 of the guys/girls who tested with me were all in tip-top shape and we all did the PT test.

Lawsuits arise when everyone doesnt follow the same hiring guidelines...

[echat12]

I interviewed last week too. Everybody that passed the panel got invited to meet with the SAC or an ATSAC. (I think just two didn't make it past the panel). Those that made it to the one-on-one all passed and then when everyone was done we went to take our fitness test. They said if you made it that far you were in pretty good shape to continue in the process. We should hear something within the next two weeks for our medical.

[williamske]

The steps within the hiring process exist for a reason. You need to go through ALL the stages. Panel/PT/SAC. If you don't get invited to one chances are your out of the running. And from what I can tell, all three of the above need to be completed by 8/15 in order to receive further consideration for this fiscal year.

They would not rule out the PT. The PT exists to get rid of those canidates which cannot take on the physical fitness requirements during thr 17 wk training periods. Failing to administer the PT would only put their agency at risk.

[rbakous1]

Really confused. Panel interview with the SAC, on 8/6. Didn't have to do the PT.Said they would call or e-mail me with the next step. No red X on my dashboard yet.

I didn't take the PT or meet with the SAC on my panel interview day. They told me the same thing. They said that they "canceled" all PT and interviews for the rest of the day because they were short staffed because someone called in sick. Me, along with another interviewee were told to go home. There were 2 others I saw there, one had just got there so I don't know what his fate was but one guy appeared to be getting ready to take his PT test. I saw him go to his vehicle and grab his gym clothes. I did see him get called into the room a second time to speak with someone as well, could have been the SAC interview? I'm not sure at this point, beginning to think I failed. I felt I answered the questions sufficiently, at least enough to pass. They did reschedule the interview times from 0630 to 0800 a couple of weeks prior, didn't mention anything about not having everything done in the same day.

[Esco]

I had the Pt two weeks ago, and passed(according to dashboard). had the interview but didnt meet with the SAC or ASAC. My educated guess would be i didnt pass. Good luck to all still in process.

[usmcvet]

I had the Pt two weeks ago, and passed(according to dashboard). had the interview but didnt meet with the SAC or ASAC. My educated guess would be i didnt pass. Good luck to all still in process.

Was the SAC or ASAC one of the panel members? If they are, then maybe they did not feel the need to do a one-on-one with you, but gave you their nod regardless. In my case, the ASAC chaired the panel interview.

[Esco]

not really sure, they were really vague about their positions. I know that one of the guys was a supervisor, and the other two i think were supervisors in training. I just happened to ask the lady as I was leaving.

[FD2FED1977]

Got the ol' PT test (first) and Panel tomorrow morning in Charlotte. We're doing the PT test first due to heat advisories, received a call about the switch today.

Anyone that tested in Charlotte today, how did you do?

[danthony]

FD, it was hot. No other words. 5 of us went at about 815 and the others by 10. It was hot. Did I say that already? Everybody in Charlotte was super nice and the facility awesome. Good luck tomorrow and hydrate from now until then. You'll need it.

[Blind Justice]

Just got an email from my local FO ATSAC. I had my Panel/PT/Sac last week and he just sent me an email telling me that they will contact everyone who was selected sometime between Aug 18-21. He said they are just waiting for the cutoff date of the 14th to pass before they release anything. So for all you guys who are in the same boat I am. Meaning you have taken your panel/pt/sac and are just waiting for a phone call to say ye or ne, keep your phones close during the 18-21. Good luck everybody!


Anyone else get this email yet? I wonder why it was sent out on a Sunday?

Still waiting...

[cuyler2281]

I went through the panel/ pt/ sac process at the Newark F/O. The sac told me he was going to rate me as highly qualified because of my extensive combat experience and military resume . I did ok on the pt test (1 excellent and 3 goods), plus I'm a 10 point veteran. Hopefully I should get the call. Good luck to everyone else in the process!!!

[DaShwstoppahbk]

I interviewed last week too. Everybody that passed the panel got invited to meet with the SAC or an ATSAC. (I think just two didn't make it past the panel). Those that made it to the one-on-one all passed and then when everyone was done we went to take our fitness test. They said if you made it that far you were in pretty good shape to continue in the process. We should hear something within the next two weeks for our medical.

don't be so sure about that.....im sure many more people pass the interviews and PT test and SAC interview than there are openings....I passed all three.....and got a TO about a week after.....haven't heard anything since....scored good on all things i would think if they sent me a TO within a week.....now im pretty sure im stopped in the process....all im sayin is....you might be in good shape....but really you still might be out of the process

[cduke1]

The email that I recieved was a personal email because I contacted the ATSAC personally. So it was not an email that went out to everybody. It is just what he told me. So this is just coming from one FO, so like everything else, who knows what is gonna happen. Things change on a day to day basis. Just keep chuggin along until someone says stop. But still hoping for a phone call around the 18th thru the 21st.

[winglet]

Could anyone who interviewed recently out of Newark please PM me? I have a quick question about the FO. Thank you.

[POSr]

Just wanted to say hi to everyone on the forums and thank you all for posting your info here.

I am really not sure how to compare myself to anyone, as I haven't seen a time line anything like mine at all, so I have no idea where I stand. I didn't accept my CO for a month, because I never got an email. I think it got clogged up in my spam folders so I contacted the TSA help desk back in July to find out what my status was.

I spoke to them again when my application disappeared from the dashboard and like other people mentioned, they told me that the system was down for a few days but they updated it and I am now waiting for an email about the assesment battery. (I've since removed my spam filters to allow emails from TSA)

I went through the FAMS process back in 2005 when it was run by AVUE. The process is much different now. In about a month, I had a panel interview, a drug test, a psych eval, medical eval, and then I got and email three months later telling me that they ran out of funding for new positions. I thought I was IN and nearly had my bags packed ready to go. It was pretty disappointing. Then, out of the blue, I got an email from usajobs.com inviting me to apply for the 2/2009 position.

I think, for the most part, it's really hard to say where anyone is at in the process, just because it's so unpredictable. I see the date of August 15th coming up a lot, but yet, I am wondering if that's the cut off date, why is my process still going on? Weird. There is just no rhyme or reason for most of this at all.

[champs9399]

Can anybody advise where the Medical takes place? Do they do it at your local FO or do you go Washington or NJ?

[champs9399]

I think, for the most part, it's really hard to say where anyone is at in the process, just because it's so unpredictable. I see the date of August 15th coming up a lot, but yet, I am wondering if that's the cut off date, why is my process still going on? Weird. There is just no rhyme or reason for most of this at all.

They sent an email out about two weeks ago that said you had to have completed your PT/Panel by Aug. 15th to be considered for hiring by Oct. 1.

[paul354]

What should I do? I had my panel the last week of July in the North East. I knew from the start the FO did the Panel/PT/SACs on different days. I had the panel, I think it went well. No call back yet for PT though (last thing the dashboard shows is that I passed the computer test).

Last week I called the FO and spoke to the individual who coordinated my initial interview who advised that they haven't scheduled anybody for a PT yet since they are still doing initial panels. We're getting down the the wire and I don't want to be disqualified because of internal coordination issues @ the FO.

Anybody else have the same problem as me?

Since by now I'm sure they've filled the Sept/Oct class (which was rumored to be last last for hiring year) does anybody know if they are going to finish up the 2009 applicants before publishing/hiring from a new vacancy?

Like many, I'm continuing to wait very patiently with the hopes of getting on a career track w/ FAMs.

Thanks again to all the active/past FAMs as well as my fellow applicants who continue to keep this forum the active.

[FAM Hopeful]

[QUOTE=paul354;1938817]What should I do? I had my panel the last week of July in the North East. I knew from the start the FO did the Panel/PT/SACs on different days. I had the panel, I think it went well. No call back yet for PT though (last thing the dashboard shows is that I passed the computer test).

Last week I called the FO and spoke to the individual who coordinated my initial interview who advised that they haven't scheduled anybody for a PT yet since they are still doing initial panels. We're getting down the the wire and I don't want to be disqualified because of internal coordination issues @ the FO.

Anybody else have the same problem as me?

[seanjohn]

Hello to all,

I am new to the forum but seem to be in about the same position as most of you (Feb 09 applicants). Took the panel, SAC, and PT last week and am now waiting to hear about drug testing and Med Eval. From what I know, at least from my local FO there is quite a few openings even potentially for the August September and October training's. My advice would be not to assume anything or believe any of the negative things regarding training's being closed or that this process is a waste of time. If that is the case we will all find out soon enough. In the mean time keep it positive and I hope to see all of you in training.
Goodluck

[Helo]

I doubt this is all a waste as one of the FAMS stated to me (at the panel) that he had to cancel his scheduled trip for training because DC wanted them to get through these panel interviews ASAP.

Sounds like this whole thread is turning into a "he said, she said," so I think it would be wise to take it all with a grain of salt and just keep your heads up!

[POSr]

I doubt this is all a waste as one of the FAMS stated to me (at the panel) that he had to cancel his scheduled trip for training because DC wanted them to get through these panel interviews ASAP.

Sounds like this whole thread is turning into a "he said, she said," so I think it would be wise to take it all with a grain of salt and just keep your heads up!

I absolutely agree. I don't think anything is final until you recieve notice from someone, somehow that you're out of the running.

[Pvt. Cowboy]

I'm in the, "I had my panel and haven't gotten a call yet" boat as well. It's kind of a bummer after spending all that money on flights and transportation to the FO and whatnot to get let down. After my panel, I had asked about the PT. They had told me the trainers were booked and they had done all the PT's in the morning... I had an afternoon interview. I felt I had aced the interview as well, and I think one of the supervisors was the SAC.

So I call the woman who had scheduled my panel, and asked her when I could schedule the PT. That's when she told me I wasn't moving to the next step, but to look for something from HR that would give me my options. I thought that was pretty odd... my options?

I have a feeling the theory may be pretty accurate about having applicants available for later classes. I remember after taking my FABs, that my test results were valid for 2 years. Maybe we'd have to re-apply, but because we've passed multiple steps so far, they could continue processing us "leftovers" quicker and fill the remaining/available classes after FY10 starts.

Yep... just a guess. Pretty much because I have no clue.

[paul354]

I think I'm with you now pvt cowboy. I called back the North East FO where I had the 'interview only' (pt was always known to be another day). They advised that at this time I will not be moving on the selection process for this next set of classes and that I will get an e-mail from HR in the next few weeks with my 'options' for the next announcement that will be coming in the fall.

Good luck to everybody else. There is always hope in next year.

[FAM Hopeful]

I'm in the, "I had my panel and haven't gotten a call yet" boat as well. It's kind of a bummer after spending all that money on flights and transportation to the FO and whatnot to get let down. After my panel, I had asked about the PT. They had told me the trainers were booked and they had done all the PT's in the morning... I had an afternoon interview. I felt I had aced the interview as well, and I think one of the supervisors was the SAC.

So I call the woman who had scheduled my panel, and asked her when I could schedule the PT. That's when she told me I wasn't moving to the next step, but to look for something from HR that would give me my options. I thought that was pretty odd... my options?

I have a feeling the theory may be pretty accurate about having applicants available for later classes. I remember after taking my FABs, that my test results were valid for 2 years. Maybe we'd have to re-apply, but because we've passed multiple steps so far, they could continue processing us "leftovers" quicker and fill the remaining/available classes after FY10 starts.

Yep... just a guess. Pretty much because I have no clue.

[POSr]

I'm in the, "I had my panel and haven't gotten a call yet" boat as well. It's kind of a bummer after spending all that money on flights and transportation to the FO and whatnot to get let down. After my panel, I had asked about the PT. They had told me the trainers were booked and they had done all the PT's in the morning... I had an afternoon interview. I felt I had aced the interview as well, and I think one of the supervisors was the SAC.

So I call the woman who had scheduled my panel, and asked her when I could schedule the PT. That's when she told me I wasn't moving to the next step, but to look for something from HR that would give me my options. I thought that was pretty odd... my options?

I have a feeling the theory may be pretty accurate about having applicants available for later classes. I remember after taking my FABs, that my test results were valid for 2 years. Maybe we'd have to re-apply, but because we've passed multiple steps so far, they could continue processing us "leftovers" quicker and fill the remaining/available classes after FY10 starts.

Yep... just a guess. Pretty much because I have no clue.

At least you will have options...whatever that is. Having options is better than a "you can apply again when the next announcement comes out"

[FAM Hopeful]

At least you will have options...whatever that is. Having options is better than a "you can apply again when the next announcement comes out"

[FD2FED1977]

Did well on the PFT, not sure about the panel. I didn't get a second "one on one". But, I do know that one of the gentlemen on the panel was the ASAC. Another gentleman told me that they were directed to perform two things; the PFT and the panel, that's it.

All in all, seemed like a great group of guys in the office. Now I've really got my hopes up.

And the waiting game begins....:confused:

[paul354]

I think the "options" remark was a politically correct way of saying that you can apply again in the fall and sorry for wasting all of your time.

I would think that 'we' (who have been stopped after passing the test) have a 'leg up' on new applicants. As I understand, they know my credit is good, the passing test score carries for 2 years so 'we' are already proved that we're qualified for the job. I'd like think that it could have just been a lack of funding/classes.

[FAM Hopeful]

I would think that 'we' (who have been stopped after passing the test) have a 'leg up' on new applicants. As I understand, they know my credit is good, the passing test score carries for 2 years so 'we' are already proved that we're qualified for the job. I'd like think that it could have just been a lack of funding/classes.

[bluecollar$]

I can't get a straight anwser from this agency on what carries over. I remember reading before taking certain steps that they would be good for x amount of time. However I called the help desk and was told I would have to retake everything when I reapplied. That sounded fishy so I wanted it in writing. Of course my email response to that inquiry is about 3 weeks overdue.

I can tell you, I went through it all last year(and it took all year,not a month like this time), right down to the sf and live scan finger prints. I figured I was golden, they called from DC for a few odds and ends to complete my package >>>>then nothing, nada, then an email offering me the chance to reapply this year.

Nothing "carries over" I had to redo it all. Everything..If I didn't live a half an hour from the field office I wouldn't have done it all again, but alas it appears the hiring has stopped again........

[cuyler2281]

Does having 10 point veterans preference point help? And if so how? The ATSAC explained that he would rate me as highly qualified. I hope I get in...

[williamske]

Guys stop your freaking me out haha

[POSr]

Guys stop your freaking me out haha

I'm sorry, but that was really funny... We're all freaking out, maybe for nothing.

[Helo]

Guys stop your freaking me out haha

:D No joke. I need to stop reading this thread and just go with the flow now. :cool:

[FAM Hopeful]

:D No joke. I need to stop reading this thread and just go with the flow now. :cool:

[paul354]

Now here's the real question: Has anybody that was interviewed from that mid-July mass e-mail move past to get the offer?

I'm starting to get the feeling that FAMs had their rosters picked after first round of e-mails went out in Feb/Mar, and if I recall correctly all of those people were hired - I don't remember reading any postings about people getting let down back then.

Never less, despite these "issues" I will still do whatever this "e-mail" and try again next announcement. I'm not that discouraged.

[FAM Hopeful]

Now here's the real question: Has anybody that was interviewed from that mid-July mass e-mail move past to get the offer?

I'm starting to get the feeling that FAMs had their rosters picked after first round of e-mails went out in Feb/Mar, and if I recall correctly all of those people were hired - I don't remember reading any postings about people getting let down back then.

Never less, despite these "issues" I will still do whatever this "e-mail" and try again next announcement. I'm not that discouraged.

[cuyler2281]

Again, did the ASAC tell you they were rating you as highly qualified? And what's your background? My SAC told me they were looking for combat experience or swat type experience. Also veterans who are rated highly qualified go to the top of the list.

[williamske]

I have no LE experience. I was hoping to be one of the few females who could qualify with education, current federal job, good interview answers and a nice score on the PT. We will see. I also know that the average person entering federal LE is 30 years of age. I am only 24, so I also have that against me when you take into consideration the years of experience other candiates will have over me.

Just ride the wave and hope for the best. That is all you can do. Good luck everyone.

[cuyler2281]

We have to realize, we are competing with ex rangers, seals, paratroopers, regular military, and LE. Like I said before they have better sucess with former military and simular backgrounds. If your a qualified female you have a excellent chane. FAMS is trying to diversify its workforce with more minorities and females.

[cuyler2281]

Sorry for the spelling, I'm working off of my blackberry

[brickster720]

I had my panel, ASAC, and PFT last week and my dashboard has not yet been updated... for now I'm going to take that as a good sign, but I'm not considering it to be a strong indicator I'm moving forward. I didn't do well on my PFT, but felt I did good on my Panel and ASAC.

I'm also holding out for a panel I have next week with USSS

[FAM Hopeful]

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[williamske]

No, unfortunately I'm not a veteran. I know proportionately they will hire less than 2% of all applicants. And I'm sure that number is even worse for non military and non TSA. It's just frusterating knowing they were jamming fat TSA screeners with no real job experience into classes when I wasn't even getting an interview in years past. I wish they would tell me why I wasn't hired instead of sending the generic email encouraging me to reapply.


Want to know the depressing math?

The bottom line figure I came up with was .0058% chance of being hired (way less than 1%).

I came up with that figure by taking into account the following conditions:

17,000 people applied to the 2009 announcement according to the recent hearing.

Lets estimate 200 spots for classes = .011% chance

Lets say, at this point (and this is being generous), that only 100 spots have been secured.

This leaves open approximately 100 spots = .0058%

Just being real. lol....don't you hate that? Whatever. Times are tough and lots of people need jobs. They did not say out of that number (17,000) how many people were actually given the opportunity to pursue on with the hiring process.

But just thought I would give you guys who have been cut some food for thought. The odds were against you, as they are for all of us. It does not mean you do not deserve to be in LE. It's just a minor setback and keep pushing harder.

[FAM Hopeful]

Want to know the depressing math?

The bottom line figure I came up with was .0058% chance of being hired (way less than 1%).

I came up with that figure by taking into account the following conditions:

17,000 people applied to the 2009 announcement according to the recent hearing.

Lets estimate 200 spots for classes = .011% chance

Lets say, at this point (and this is being generous), that only 100 spots have been secured.

This leaves open approximately 100 spots = .0058%

Just being real. lol....don't you hate that? Whatever. Times are tough and lots of people need jobs. They did not say out of that number (17,000) how many people were actually given the opportunity to pursue on with the hiring process.

But just thought I would give you guys who have been cut some food for thought. The odds were against you, as they are for all of us. It does not mean you do not deserve to be in LE. It's just a minor setback and keep pushing harder.

[paul354]

What mass mail are you referring to?

Around 6/18-6/22 there were a lot of people who got conditional offers to begin the process. (that is the mass e-mail I'm referring to).

[williamske]

I have absolutely no problem being underqualified, however the fact that TSA makes you jump through all of theses hoops if they know you're not going to get hired anyway is irresponisible and unethical. Case and point......My qualifications have not changed since completing my app. in Jan 09. I maxed out on my PEB, aced my interview, was given the highest recommendation by the ASAC, my fingerprints came up clean and my credit is good. Obviously, none of that was used to eliminate me, so why run my through that dog and pony show if you had no interest in hiring me. TSA please let me help you streamline your processes....Call the people you know you want first and move down the list when people decline, fail their background etc.

I agree with your statements about jumping through hoops for no real reason. But at the same time I would consider it an absolute honor to have gone through the process that far given the above statistics.

[WVU Brubbz]

I think it all comes down to the FO. I would imagine each FO can only hire so many candidates.

[FAM Hopeful]

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[echat12]

What makes you think you "aced the interview?" I don't know your qualifications, but it sounds like you think you did better than you may actually have. And even if you did "ace the interview", so does everyone that gets hired, and we know that number is smaller than those who do well on the interview. Either way, it is just an interview process, there are no guarantees. Like others have said, there are so many qualified applicants to choose from, and all FO are different.

[DaShwstoppahbk]

No, unfortunately I'm not a veteran. I know proportionately they will hire less than 2% of all applicants. And I'm sure that number is even worse for non military and non TSA. It's just frusterating knowing they were jamming fat TSA screeners with no real job experience into classes when I wasn't even getting an interview in years past. I wish they would tell me why I wasn't hired instead of sending the generic email encouraging me to reapply.

Look I dont complain or get mad easily.....but this statement is horrible....I AM A TSA SCREENER....am I fat? NO, believe it or not im in pretty great shape! .....Do I have NO REAL JOB EXPERIENCE?.....NO, again think what u want but TSA is considered a REAL JOB even if you think they are all idiots and don't make any money....so please watch what you say....I have a college DEGREE WITH HONORS a BACHELORS in case you were wondering....not everyone that works for TSA is a complete idiot....though I will agree with you that a majority are....there is NO reason at all why a TSA screener with a degree should NOT be able to get a job with the FAMS....FBI,DEA,USSS, pry will need some sort of LE experience but there is nothing wrong with TSA "promoting from within" as long as those individuals have degrees and some work experience....granted if they have no degree and just worked at TSA for awhile i dont agree with it....but again I have a background in criminal justice....and have had a job for 2 and a half years, how does that make me less qualified than someone fresh out of college with no experience that are applying for this job....o wait....IT DOESN'T....

[cuyler2281]

Look, everyone stop getting personel. The facts are 12k applied for 200 spots. Status canidates and vets get firts dibs ONLY if they are rated Highly Qualified. If you are a civilian with no LE or military experience your already fighting an up hill battle. Even with LE your not a lock. It all depends on the talent pool.

[FAM Hopeful]

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[FAM Hopeful]

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[FAM Hopeful]

Look, everyone stop getting personel. The facts are 12k applied for 200 spots. Status canidates and vets get firts dibs ONLY if they are rated Highly Qualified. If you are a civilian with no LE or military experience your already fighting an up hill battle. Even with LE your not a lock. It all depends on the talent pool.

[brickster720]

I prefer to think of it not as a wasted exercise in futility, but rather more experience in LE job searching. Becoming more familiar with the types of questions (from panels or ASACs), fitness testing conditions (from this or other PFT's), and standardized testing is always going to be a boon for when you apply to other positions.

Even if I don't get picked up in this pool, I'll know how to prepare for the PFT and interviews the next time.

[FAM Hopeful]

I agree with your statements about jumping through hoops for no real reason. But at the same time I would consider it an absolute honor to have gone through the process that far given the above statistics.

[SigFoo]

I prefer to think of it not as a wasted exercise in futility, but rather more experience in LE job searching. Becoming more familiar with the types of questions (from panels or ASACs), fitness testing conditions (from this or other PFT's), and standardized testing is always going to be a boon for when you apply to other positions.

Even if I don't get picked up in this pool, I'll know how to prepare for the PFT and interviews the next time.

Couldn't have said it better myself. I have been through 3 FLEO hiring processes and received 3 "Thanks but..." letters each time. Every time I've been through I've gotten further along in the selection process. Take each failure as a learning process, good practice for the next round of hiring, catering to your masochistic tendencies or whatever. From what I hear from LEO's in my personal life if you think that the hiring process is an exercise in futility, just wait until you get hired.

[Pvt. Cowboy]

Well, I tend to agree with some of the things FAM hopeful has said. Having us jump through hoops, while holding the golden carrot out in front of us has really left a bad impression. Why put us through all that, get our hopes up, and have some of us spend lots of money traveling, ONLY to cut some of us short. I don't understand that. If I wasn't deemed qualified enough for this position, WHY issue a contingent offer?

I was REALLY hoping on setting a push-up and pull-up record at the PT.

I also can't wait to read what this letter contains from HR. My options must be abundant...

[BPD Once]

Just thought I would add my two cents worth. You folks need to relax. I read the board often and I have been through what you are going through. Been with the agency for 18 months roughly and it is a pretty good gig. However, like all things federal there is no rhyme or reason to the hiring madness. I was fortunate enough to have a good resume and strong interview skills because I bombed the PT portion of the hiring process. To give some insight I have a B.A., at the time I had over 10 years LE experience in a big city with three+ years as a detective. I also had military experience.
For those of you worried about your qualifications or getting the thanks but no thanks letter don't sweat it and use this as an opportunity to build your resume. Go work for a big city and get some real LEO experience (sorry but the feds doesn't offer real police work). The experience I had is what put me over the top and I went through the process in less than eight weeks. Hang in there, it's not the end of the world. The key is to build the resume and everything else is a breeze. Good luck all, hopefully we'll see you up in the air.

[seanjohn]

I don't know how good of a sign this is but I moved along on dashboard up to referred for selection from the panel slot.
Can anyone else tell me if they have had the same progression in the past few weeks?

:Stillwaiting:

[FAM Hopeful]

I don't know how good of a sign this is but I moved along on dashboard up to referred for selection from the panel slot.
Can anyone else tell me if they have had the same progression in the past few weeks?

:Stillwaiting:

[emerlad]

Hey cowboy
Where did you park in chelsea, any good tips?
Was really debating not going for the upcoming interview as I have been through these processes ad nauseum.
Then i think to myself how much work, time, effort and travelling I have put into this career. I will stack myself up to anyone for motivation to get, keep and elevate myself in this field. This is not a 10k for some but rather has been a marathon for me and others. When you have over 10 years in triing to acheive these jobs come talk to me.
I applied in 2002 for this gig, missed the initial cutoff as I think I put in too late. Applied in the next posting 04/05 maybe (first day of the posting). I was never called as I think I put my college transcripts in the wrong way/place, I don't know..
Appied in 06/07 to get through to the interview only to have to reschedule for having to be in court. They never called to reschedule. So in essence I have tried since the gig opened in 01/02.
In the last minute my motivation and positive attitude get the better of me.
Keep the faith

[DPO]

I don't know how good of a sign this is but I moved along on dashboard up to referred for selection from the panel slot.
Can anyone else tell me if they have had the same progression in the past few weeks?

:Stillwaiting:

My dashboard also changed today, it shows panel completed and referred for selection as pending.

[Blind Justice]

Just thought I would add my two cents worth. You folks need to relax. I read the board often and I have been through what you are going through. Been with the agency for 18 months roughly and it is a pretty good gig. However, like all things federal there is no rhyme or reason to the hiring madness. I was fortunate enough to have a good resume and strong interview skills because I bombed the PT portion of the hiring process. To give some insight I have a B.A., at the time I had over 10 years LE experience in a big city with three+ years as a detective. I also had military experience.
For those of you worried about your qualifications or getting the thanks but no thanks letter don't sweat it and use this as an opportunity to build your resume. Go work for a big city and get some real LEO experience (sorry but the feds doesn't offer real police work). The experience I had is what put me over the top and I went through the process in less than eight weeks. Hang in there, it's not the end of the world. The key is to build the resume and everything else is a breeze. Good luck all, hopefully we'll see you up in the air.


Very well put. I was going to add, to everyone who is stressing... Welcome to the world of law enforcement / government... Its an endless cycle of hurry up and wait. Everything is done for a reason. This is comming from someone with 5 years USMC and 5 years as a patrol officer.

I feel everyones pain, and it just shows how much you really want the job. Keep pluggin away and take all these rumors with a grain of salt. Nothing is final until TSA or Lockheed says "no thank you"

On a side note, things are still moving. I was advised today that I had passed my panel / pt and my packet has now been sent up to DC and im sitting in the Referred for Selection phase.

Good luck...

[Cman21]

Very well put. I was going to add, to everyone who is stressing... Welcome to the world of law enforcement / government... Its an endless cycle of hurry up and wait. Everything is done for a reason. This is comming from someone with 5 years USMC and 5 years as a patrol officer.

I feel everyones pain, and it just shows how much you really want the job. Keep pluggin away and take all these rumors with a grain of salt. Nothing is final until TSA or Lockheed says "no thank you"

On a side note, things are still moving. I was advised today that I had passed my panel / pt and my packet has now been sent up to DC and im sitting in the Referred for Selection phase.

Good luck...


How were you contacted today ?

[FD2FED1977]

I'm going to flip the script for the forum; has anyone moved along in the process that DID NOT get a second interview (one on one) on panel day?

I'm an existing government employee, so I realize how these processes work (long and no rhyme or reason for things), please don't attack; just figured I'd ask.

Good luck to everyone...

[Blind Justice]

How were you contacted today ?


I contacted the help desk to check my status, as well as looking on the dashboard. Its up to DC now... Id immagine atleast 2+ weeks before I hearing anything about a drug screen / medical exam. If I am so fortunate.

[Spammail.dj]

Again, did the ASAC tell you they were rating you as highly qualified? And what's your background? My SAC told me they were looking for combat experience or swat type experience. Also veterans who are rated highly qualified go to the top of the list.

I hope thats true about being placed on top of the list. I have 10 years of military experience, close to one year in LE, and a BS in Crim. Also, the ASAC told me he was going to mark me down as highly qualified.

[FAM Hopeful]

I hope thats true about being placed on top of the list. I have 10 years of military experience, close to one year in LE, and a BS in Crim. He also told me he was going to mark me down as highly qualified.


By the way.... does anyone know of any AUTO DQ's for the background?

Any felonies and conviction of domestic violence. I'm sure there are some unwritten ones such as recent drug use etc.

[cuyler2281]

Hey Spammail.dj, are you a 5 or 10 point veteran? And did you include your military and combat experience in your resume?

I was a combat arms officer (FSO) and served as a paratrooper at good ol" Ft. Bragg. Also spent some time in the sandbox.
In most cases if you are a 10 point vet and highly qualified, you should get hired before a 5 point vet and non-fed employees. That's in a perfect world..lol

[dtown101]

Look, everyone stop getting personel. The facts are 12k applied for 200 spots. Status canidates and vets get firts dibs ONLY if they are rated Highly Qualified. If you are a civilian with no LE or military experience your already fighting an up hill battle. Even with LE your not a lock. It all depends on the talent pool.


sorry to rain on your parade but your wrong...you may get pref. points for being in the military but if you look at who they have hired its not people with exp.

[brickster720]

I contacted the help desk to check my status, as well as looking on the dashboard. Its up to DC now... Id immagine atleast 2+ weeks before I hearing anything about a drug screen / medical exam. If I am so fortunate.

Same thing happened to me today. When I left the panel on 8/5, they said our paperwork would be in DC before 5pm that day (I'm processing out of WFO). Looks like it's more hurry up and wait... but i'm ok with that

[Helo]

On a side note, things are still moving. I was advised today that I had passed my panel / pt and my packet has now been sent up to DC and im sitting in the Referred for Selection phase.

Good luck...

Congrats, Blind Justice. Just keep those fingers crossed!

[iamjay27]

I contacted the help desk to check my status, as well as looking on the dashboard. Its up to DC now... Id immagine atleast 2+ weeks before I hearing anything about a drug screen / medical exam. If I am so fortunate.

Hey, how long ago did you do you panel/pt?? I just did it yesterday and I passed, but the two other guys that were with me wasn't so lucky. I also meet with the SAIC too afterwards and he said that I had the qualifications and wished me luck in my process...hopefully that's a good sign. It looks more and more promising.

The head of the recruiting in the Orlando office were talking to us and gave us some information, he did say that there are classes scheduled for Sept, Oct, and Nov. There are only 200 spots open, but with the Aug and Sept classes already filled that knocked the spots down to 100. Not trying to burst anyone's bubbles, just passing the information that was passed on to me from the recruiter.

[Blind Justice]

Hey, how long ago did you do you panel/pt?? I just did it yesterday and I passed, but the two other guys that were with me wasn't so lucky. I also meet with the SAIC too afterwards and he said that I had the qualifications and wished me luck in my process...hopefully that's a good sign. It looks more and more promising.

The head of the recruiting in the Orlando office were talking to us and gave us some information, he did say that there are classes scheduled for Sept, Oct, and Nov. There are only 200 spots open, but with the Aug and Sept classes already filled that knocked the spots down to 100. Not trying to burst anyone's bubbles, just passing the information that was passed on to me from the recruiter.



I took the panel and pt last thursday. 8/6. It took 4 business days to make it from atlanta to dc.

I don't know how many classes are left or how many slots are still open. I don't care, so longs I keep moving along in the process.

Good luck.

[iamjay27]

I took the panel and pt last thursday. 8/6. It took 4 business days to make it from atlanta to dc.

I don't know how many classes are left or how many slots are still open. I don't care, so longs I keep moving along in the process.

Good luck.

Thanks! Yeah the recruiter told us that he has until tomorrow to get everyone that's testing through the FO tested. The last class is testing today and they have to get everyone's package together and fedex it up to DC. Man, that's really cutting it close. I am ok with that too, as long as I keep getting notifications to get the next step in the process done, I am ok with it. Just got to roll with it!

[echat12]

I took the panel and pt last thursday. 8/6. It took 4 business days to make it from atlanta to dc.

I don't know how many classes are left or how many slots are still open. I don't care, so longs I keep moving along in the process.

Good luck.

Ha...I took it in DC on the same day as you....still haven't heard anything.

[Pvt. Cowboy]

So I'm wondering if we'll get specific reasons as to why some of us are not progressing through? For instance, since I was told I don't get to schedule the PT after my interview, I'm thinking mine would say something to the effect like, "Pvt. Cowboy, you are not progressing because you did not pass the interview." Or whatever the reason is. This way we sort of get to work on and assess whichever sections we were weak on for the next go around. Know what I mean? For those that didn't do well on the PT, they can work on their pull-ups for the next time etc...

I guess I'm just hoping I get some constructive criticism for why I got the "red X'd" out of the process from the FO.

[winglet]

Just checked dashboard and my plane is now flying over ref for selection! Had my interview/PT/ASAC on the 10th.
Hoping to hear more good news from HQ soon!

[williamske]

My little green TSA plane is now hoovering over "referred for selection". It moved today. There is no green check mark yet but it did move. =)

[DoubleAgent]

For current & aspiring FAMS - where do you see yourselves in 3-5 years?

[DaShwstoppahbk]

For current & aspiring FAMS - where do you see yourselves in 3-5 years?

i would imagine most see themselves as an 1811 investigator for another agency....lets not kid ourselves....certain federal LEO jobs have high turnover rates for a reason.....i respect all the FAMS and BPA out there very much....especially the ones that stick with it for more than 3-5 years....but realistically most people leave those agencies around that time frame to move on to better jobs so to speak....i think alot of people use them as "stepping stones"....thats not to say all....but i would imagine a high rate of turnover

[SigFoo]

For current & aspiring FAMS - where do you see yourselves in 3-5 years?

I'd actually like to be a Firearms Instructor for the service. I think it's a temporary gig but if they gave me the opportunity after a few years I'd jump at it.

[Helo]

My end goal is to become a SA with the FBI. I'm almost there as we speak, but don't get me wrong -- I wouldn't mind this gig at all.

BTW, in case you were wondering of the top 5 ways "companies" mistreat job seekers:
http://finance.yahoo.com/career-work/article/107519/5-ways-companies-mistreat-job-seekers.html?mod=career-salary_negotiation

[echat12]

My little green TSA plane is now hoovering over "referred for selection". It moved today. There is no green check mark yet but it did move. =)

Me too! Plane over "referred for selection"

[champs9399]

Same here!! Moved over to "referred for selection" yesterday. Did the PFT/Panel/ASAC interview Tues 8/4.

Whats the over/under on when we start getting phone calls?

[Helo]

Yeah, mine finally updated last Wednesday. I would assume calls might be going out after the 15th (since that was the cut-off in the mass e-mail). Once again, that's just an assumption.

[Cman21]

I moved to " referred for selection " today, PT/Interview was 08/07.

[cuyler2281]

Finally "referred for selection" My PT/ Interview was 08/05 in Newark F/O. Now its time for those 10 vet points to work...lol Good luck everyone!!

[FAM Hopeful]

Finally "referred for selection" My PT/ Interview was 08/05 in Newark F/O. Now its time for those 10 vet points to work...lol Good luck everyone!!

[danthony]

I honestly have no idea how I was rated but I had my PFT/Panel/SAC interview on Monday (10th) and I'm showing as referred for selection.

[backtwo]

Finally "referred for selection" My PT/ Interview was 08/05 in Newark F/O. Now its time for those 10 vet points to work...lol Good luck everyone!!

How did you earn the 10 points? I was trying to find out how they are done. I have about three years left in the Army, and plane the drop an appt as soon as i get close to getting out. But for the 10 points do you have to be wounded, or is it if you went to Iraq or Afgan?
Thank you (SSG) John Bates

[usmcvet]

How did you earn the 10 points? I was trying to found out how they are done. I have about three years left in the Army, and plane the drop an appt as soon as i get close to getting out. But for the 10 points doe you have to be wounded, or is it if you went to Iraq or Afgan?
Thank you (SSG) John Bates

From what I understand, going to Afghanistan or Iraq won't automatically get you the points. If you get a purple heart, then that gets you the 10 points. Also, if you have a VA approved disability, that gets you 10 points. Otherwise, you just get 5 points.

[Blind Justice]

Ok guys, and girls... Since I am bored outta my mind on this extra job, I thought I would tally up everyone who has posted that they are moving forward.

Sorry to those who received the red X, this is not ment to rub it in, or insult anyone...


Blind Justice
DPO
seanjohn
Winglet
Williamske
echat12
champ9399
Helo
cman21
cuyler2281
Danthony

* Feel free to copy and add your name to it *

Hopefully we'll start to hear something after Monday...

Good luck!

[cuyler2281]

Ladies and Gents,

Here's the deal with Vet Pref Points. If you serve 36 months on active duty you earn 5 points. If you serve in a combat zone (even if your reserves or national guard) you get 5 points. If you have a service connected disability of 10% or more you earn 10 points, but you have to submit an SF-15 and proof ie. DD214 and VA letter stating your rating. You need your DD214 to receive 5 points also. As long as your best qualified or highly qualified 10 point then 5 point vets get preference over ono-vets. This was created just after the civil war. Vets only get preference if the are HIGHLY QUALIFIED, so if a civilian is more qualified, preference doesn't matter.

[cuyler2281]

Once again, sorry for the spelling working my blackberry.

[FD2FED1977]

Well, seeing as I didn't get a SAC interview and DAnthony did, and we tested at the same location just different days, I'd guess I'm out. :(

Good luck to all of you in the rest of the process, and thanks to those that answered any of my many questions...:cool:

[danthony]

FD, just wait. Mine just moved today. Fingers crossed for tomorrow!

[backtwo]

If I have 3yrs left on active duty, when should I put in an app for the FAMS? From what I can tell from the posts I should do it about a year out.
Is there dates that mostjobs are posted/ like a month that they mostly post jobs? I have been looking on the USAJOBS.GOV site and have not seen any yet.

[cuyler2281]

Around 6 to 8 months. It all depends on your ETS date, your terminal leave, and job vac. Most jobs want to you be out before your start date. Get a degree from American Military Univ. They have great programs and you will receive credit for military training.

[iamjay27]

_______________________

[iamjay27]

If I have 3yrs left on active duty, when should I put in an app for the FAMS? From what I can tell from the posts I should do it about a year out.
Is there dates that mostjobs are posted/ like a month that they mostly post jobs? I have been looking on the USAJOBS.GOV site and have not seen any yet.

If you apply now, it is still too early. Unless you can find a way to get out early. I knwo for me in the AF and as an officer I just need the Wing commander's endorsement to personnel center and I will be released no questions asked. If you get a chance to look at everyone's blog, you will see that once you start the process for FAMS, it actually moves faster than most the other traditional agencies. Like what cuyler2281 said, it really depends on your ETS, when the next announcement opens and etc. Best of luck, hope it was helpful.

[williamske]

I will be on travel for work for 2 weeks starting sunday Aug. 16th. So I hope they do not require that I be anywhere anytime soon.

[usmcvet]

Does anyone know if the next announcement will be posted on usajobs or on the TSA website?

[williamske]

Does anyone know if the next announcement will be posted on usajobs or on the TSA website?

I believe that all job announcements are posted on usajobs.gov or the OPM website.

[jtmo25]

Does anyone know if the steps u completed carry over to the new vacancy? I passed my pt and sac interview but was not referred for selecetion. I hope I don't have to start the process completely over.

[cuyler2281]

Finally!!! I got the call from TSA HR with an offer at 10:54 am! I got my first choice with NYC F/O. But I would love to switch to DC. Good luck to everyone.

[williamske]

Finally!!! I got the call from TSA HR with an offer at 10:54 am! I got my first choice with NYC F/O. But I would love to switch to DC. Good luck to everyone.

Congrats cuyler! What was the time frame from referred for selection to the HR call?

NVMD - looks like you were just switched over yesterday like some of us.

That is so cool. So I guess you are in pending the BI and medical?

[cuyler2281]

I did my panel/ PT/ SAC on 8/05. My Vets points got me through so fast I think. But good luck!!

[Spammail.dj]

I did my panel/ PT/ SAC on 8/05. My Vets points got me through so fast I think. But good luck!!

Thats awesome! I hope I'm in the same boat because I was highly recommended and have 5 Vet points. Looks like its close to a 10 day turnaround so hopefully I'll find out next week.

Again...congratulations buddy!

[Cman21]

Finally!!! I got the call from TSA HR with an offer at 10:54 am! I got my first choice with NYC F/O. But I would love to switch to DC. Good luck to everyone.

Well done. When do you EOD?

[Helo]

Congrats!!! It's good to hear that calls are going out! Have you completed your medical and BI?

Hmm.. I tested 7/28,7/29, and am referred but haven't received a call yet. Crapola I'm going to have my phone glued to my hip. I don't have vet points though. . . :(

[Helo]

Ah, just called and the individual was very nice. She said to just wait as my batch of applicants will begin to be contacted (most likely) on Monday. They are waiting for this 8/15 deadline to pass.

Interesting that you already received a call after being given that info from HR.

[Blind Justice]

Good job Cuyler!!! Referred yesterday, then called today? Damn thats a quick turn around. What all did they say???

This is going to be the longest weekend EVER!

Hopefully goin outta town for my birthday will help take my mind of it till at least Monday.

[cuyler2281]

My medical is in NYC in 2 weeks. I have not started my BI yet. I was told there will be classes scheduled up to Jan 2010. So hang in there and good luck!!!!

[vincentvega]

Congratulations cuyler! So they gave you an EOD before you even did the medical? that's interesting. Have you submitted your fingerprints yet?

[DoubleAgent]

At which point in the process do they provide class dates?

[airisfine]

dude, the excitement here is great. Prepare to make a pile of money and have no idea what time zone your in.

[Cman21]

Finally!!! I got the call from TSA HR with an offer at 10:54 am! I got my first choice with NYC F/O. But I would love to switch to DC. Good luck to everyone.

It sounds like you go a Conditional Offer, not an actual Final Offer with a class date. Is this correct? On the Candidate Dashboard it shows the difference.

[cduke1]

I just checked dashboard and they finally updated it. I am still in the green and at the "referred for selection" stage. Called the 1-877 number to check if they knew anything more and they told me they only knew what was on the dashboard and nothing else. So I am keeping my fingers crossed for an email or phone call within the next couple of weeks.

And I thought I would add this here to let yall know my stats.

25yrs old

7 yrs active duty Air Force
Top Secret Clearence
To many awards to list

B.A. with 3.5 GPA (Psych/CJ major)
21 Hrs towards my Masters in Public Admin.

PT scores-Excellent in all aspects except the run. It was in the Good category. But the guys testing me told me most apps usually get a few good and the rest fair.

I will let all yall know something as soon as I here. Hopefully next week!

Good luck guys. PM me with any questions.

[cuyler2281]

No final offer yet!!! I was selected for hire and she scheduled my medical/ drug test/ fingerprints for the 28th. I'm starting my BI monday. She asked me if I wanted to accept the conditional offer for NYC FO. My background is clean and I'm in great shape.. I should be god to go!!!

[vincentvega]

No final offer yet!!! I was selected for hire and she scheduled my medical/ drug test/ fingerprints for the 28th. I'm starting my BI monday. She asked me if I wanted to accept the conditional offer for NYC FO. My background is clean and I'm in great shape.. I should be god to go!!!

oh, ok. that's the same call I got after the panel/pt. either way, you're good to go as long as you pass the remaining steps. good luck!

[POSr]

Himmm...

I am guessing I got pushed back to the next batch of applicants since my credit/background just cleared on 7/30.

[cuyler2281]

Did TSA call any one else today? I know they will start calling on monday morning. NYC is a cool FO, but I will have to live in jersey or long island. I'm not going to get picky..lol

[Blind Justice]

No call to me.... I'm crossing my fingers that I get a nice 8 am call on monday though...

[FD2FED1977]

They haven't even updated my board yet, PFT and panel 8/11. I'm still leaning on the ol' X, since I didn't get a second "one on one".

[hk7777]

Can someone please post the web link to the tsa dashboard. I somehow deleted it from my computer and I can't find the link anymore.

[FAM Hopeful]

Can someone please post the web link to the tsa dashboard. I somehow deleted it from my computer and I can't find the link anymore.

[williamske]

Can someone please post the web link to the tsa dashboard. I somehow deleted it from my computer and I can't find the link anymore.

Good luck

https://tsajobs.tsa.dhs.gov/CandidateDashboard/%28S%28cztdrdfjjm14t55500mu5dai%29%29/securityWarning.aspx

[champs9399]

Cuyler, what FO were you testing out of? Did you get selected for the office you were tested and interviewed out of?

Just curious if anyone knows- were they only testing/interviewing out of FO's that they are hiring for?

[FAM Hopeful]

Cuyler, what FO were you testing out of? Did you get selected for the office you were tested and interviewed out of?

Just curious if anyone knows- were they only testing/interviewing out of FO's that they are hiring for?

[cuyler2281]

I went through Newark NJ FO. TSA thought that NYC was my #1 pick, but for some reason I don't remember putting FO's in any order. I spoke with 3 of my FAMS budies that I grew up with and they said NYC FO gets preference b/c its hard to fill. DC gets 2nd pref. And the panel doesn't see our apps, only the SAC or ATSAC have access. TSA HR did say that classes are scheduled up until jan 2010.

[Spammail.dj]

Theoretically, no. Realistically, those of us who didn't make it didn't need to be called for all of that non sense to begin with if the "selection panel" just looked at the apps before they ran us through all of the unnecessary steps. Had the panel just picked the apps that interested them first and worked their way down, the formality of the interview/PEB, fingerprints, etc. could've been limited to candidates they were interested in to begin with. They have made it clear through this hiring process that the interview/PEB had no weight on your app if they didn't want you to begin with.

What a Debbie Downer...!

lets just wait and see what happens these next few weeks. Till then GOOD LUCK to everyone who's still in the game.

[winglet]

So, now that our planes have moved and are flying over "Ref. for Selection," what is going on during this time? Is a panel in HQ reviewing the ASAC summaries, panel summaries, and our PTA results to decide whether or not to refer us? I thought we were already referred and then HQ decides whether they agree and want to extend the CO.

And are they all (panel/PTA/ASAC) weighted equally or could one thing completely override the others (for good or bad)?

Just wondering what was happening at HQ while we were breathlessly awaiting our Monday (fingers crossed) calls. I hope good things. If anyone has any insight I'd appreciate it. I'm a bit lost on the subject.
Thank you so much!

Good luck everyone! have good, relaxing weekends!

[cuyler2281]

Winglet we were referred for selection by our panel/ sac interviews. At HQ they actually select applicants. They can refer more applicants than actual positions. In your case don't worry, b/c you are a highly qualified female. FAMS in total has under a total of 20 females. They are trying to improve that number with highly qualified applicants like you. Don't worry, good luck!!!

[FAM Hopeful]

Winglet we were referred for selection by our panel/ sac interviews. At HQ they actually select applicants. They can refer more applicants than actual positions. In your case don't worry, b/c you are a highly qualified female. FAMS in total has under a total of 20 females. They are trying to improve that number with highly qualified applicants like you. Don't worry, good luck!!!

[airisfine]

That is exactly how it works. If you are a minority or female, you're chances increase at least ten fold. However, I've met 5 female FAMS myself in one smal FO, so I would bet my house there are more than 20. If you are a highly qualified female or minority who passed the interview or PEB, you should be a lock to move forward. Perhaps I should get a sex change.........:confused:

And you would still have your house, there are 31 in my FO

[DoubleAgent]

Current FAMS - would you take a office job making $150K+ over the job? How do you keep your minds entertained during those flights?

[cuyler2281]

Well my chances increased b/c i have 10 point veteran's preference. All vets who have served in OEF and OIF get points, which we all have earned. At the end of the day FAMS has 200 position open with 12-17k apps. They want diversity in culture, sex, and backgrounds. The question to ask, is how many minorities and females applied. I can tell you, its not the majority.

[cuyler2281]

The Newark FO was under 20 females not FAMS

[BPD Once]

Current FAMS - would you take a office job making $150K+ over the job? How do you keep your minds entertained during those flights?

Personally, if the job is secure at 150k and allowed you to be home often without sinus and ear infections I would take it. If it is not a secure position then I would take the FAMS position.

[manstown]

Definitely more than 20 female FAMS within the agency.

[echat12]

I am a 30-something female with no LE or military experience. I have a masters degree and a scientific background. I would say they are looking to diversify (at least that's what they told me) if I have made it this far.

[FAM Hopeful]

I am a 30-something female with no LE or military experience. I have a masters degree and a scientific background. I would say they are looking to diversify (at least that's what they told me) if I have made it this far.

[airisfine]

Current FAMS - would you take a office job making $150K+ over the job? How do you keep your minds entertained during those flights?

Dude, thats a no brainer, take that job assuming it has decent benefits.

[POSr]

Anyone think that having flight training would help?

[MPDCjock]

When did the application period close? I am looking to apply.

[hiltonheadgolf]

Back in February

[MPDCjock]

Thanks. I'll look out for the next one.

[rbakous1]

If you were a white male, I would tell you to not waste your time, but females and minorities don't really need the experience, military and education. Usually one of the three will do. If you haven't been rejected yet, you should be in good shape. By diversity, they mean people who are not white males.

If you have no education as well don't worry about it. The Federal Air Marshal Service doesn't place any value on education, doesn't require a degree. FAM doesn't even assign a numerical value or rating an individual for any formal education during the interview process at all. You could have a PhD and the panel interviewers won't care, won't ask. The questions asked will not leave any room for anything other than work experience that would be considered relevant to what an Air Marshal would expect to encounter. All you really need is relevant work experience and be able to meet medical & suitability requirements and you're golden. Having a bachelors, Masters, or being a service member without preference points won't matter at all.

It is a very very subjective process. There are no numerical values or points associated with the each individual's qualifications. From application, computer-based test, to panel interview is all subjective. Strictly pass/fail. No point's based system, nothing. The only exception is for Vet's preference if applicable. Your interview is scored but again, completely subjective.

[FAM Hopeful]

If you have no education as well don't worry about it. The Federal Air Marshal Service doesn't place any value on education, doesn't require a degree. FAM doesn't even assign a numerical value or rating an individual for any formal education during the interview process at all. You could have a PhD and the panel interviewers won't care, won't ask. The questions asked will not leave any room for anything other than work experience that would be considered relevant to what an Air Marshal would expect to encounter. All you really need is relevant work experience and be able to meet medical & suitability requirements and you're golden. Having a bachelors, Masters, or being a service member without preference points won't matter at all.

It is a very very subjective process. There are no numerical values or points associated with the each individual's qualifications. From application, computer-based test, to panel interview is all subjective. Strictly pass/fail. No point's based system, nothing. The only exception is for Vet's preference if applicable. Your interview is scored but again, completely subjective.

[rbakous1]

I'm not an expert and I don't have contacts with the FAMS hiring panel, so I don't want to argue from ignorance but I've heard from various reliable sources that you are screwed if you don't have a degree. Back in the day several years ago, they were running illiterate tsa screeners through the academy. They were also cherry picking directly from BP classes (which was a good idea). The standards have changed and the ASAC that gave me my final interview told me that you are pretty much screwed if you don't have a degree. I guess with lower supply and higher demand they have been able to change their standards over the last 6 years.

All I can tell you that the process is very subjective, fitting the right profile is just as important as anything else they look at.

[MPDCjock]

How often do they have FAM job announcements?

[williamske]

All I can tell you that the process is very subjective, fitting the right profile is just as important as anything else they look at.


I will also have to say that this statement does not hold true for a majority, if not all, employed FAMS. The FAMS hire the best of the best. Back in the day you could slip by without a degree, but I am pretty positive a degree is a "must have" in this profession as well as many other prestigious LE careers. The higher the degree - the more qualified the applicant.

Back in the day many LE agencies only wanted the physically fit and strong. Today many agencies, including local police departments, have raised their hiring standards to attract a more educated and well rounded workforce.
It is nice to be able to have the ability to take down and lock up a fugitive, but if you do not have the skill or knowledge on how to write legal paperwork or reports, your case will be thrown right out of court. The FAMS agency is also not going to want to waste their money sending an applicant through the academy just so that they will fail the educational parts of the training.

If you have a degree it shows that you are able to learn and absorb material. Obtaining a degree also shows discipline in that in most cases you are able to juggle a full time job, family life and a core curriculum. To state that a degree has no bearing on the application process would seem incorrect. In fact, I would be 100% surprised if any accepted applicants this year did not have a degree.

This is just my opinion. But you know what everyone says about opinions...

[rbakous1]

I will also have to say that this statement does not hold true for a majority, if not all, employed FAMS. The FAMS hire the best of the best. Back in the day you could slip by without a degree, but I am pretty positive a degree is a "must have" in this profession as well as many other prestigious LE careers. The higher the degree - the more qualified the applicant.

Back in the day many LE agencies only wanted the physically fit and strong. Today many agencies, including local police departments, have raised their hiring standards to attract a more educated and well rounded workforce.
It is nice to be able to have the ability to take down and lock up a fugitive, but if you do not have the skill or knowledge on how to write legal paperwork or reports, your case will be thrown right out of court. The FAMS agency is also not going to want to waste their money sending an applicant through the academy just so that they will fail the educational parts of the training.

If you have a degree it shows that you are able to learn and absorb material. Obtaining a degree also shows discipline in that in most cases you are able to juggle a full time job, family life and a core curriculum. To state that a degree has no bearing on the application process would seem incorrect. In fact, I would be 100% surprised if any accepted applicants this year did not have a degree.

This is just my opinion. But you know what everyone says about opinions...

FAM don't require one to be hired and don't rate you on formal education. Those are the facts plain and simple.

[FAM Hopeful]

I will also have to say that this statement does not hold true for a majority, if not all, employed FAMS. The FAMS hire the best of the best. Back in the day you could slip by without a degree, but I am pretty positive a degree is a "must have" in this profession as well as many other prestigious LE careers. The higher the degree - the more qualified the applicant.

Back in the day many LE agencies only wanted the physically fit and strong. Today many agencies, including local police departments, have raised their hiring standards to attract a more educated and well rounded workforce.
It is nice to be able to have the ability to take down and lock up a fugitive, but if you do not have the skill or knowledge on how to write legal paperwork or reports, your case will be thrown right out of court. The FAMS agency is also not going to want to waste their money sending an applicant through the academy just so that they will fail the educational parts of the training.

If you have a degree it shows that you are able to learn and absorb material. Obtaining a degree also shows discipline in that in most cases you are able to juggle a full time job, family life and a core curriculum. To state that a degree has no bearing on the application process would seem incorrect. In fact, I would be 100% surprised if any accepted applicants this year did not have a degree.

This is just my opinion. But you know what everyone says about opinions...

[Doggie123]

I was very disappointed with the way my process went. Some of the people that were at the FO, were very immature. Talking about how many times they were pulled over and airing their dirty laundry While they were sitting in front of the SAC'S office with his door open. I could not believe that they went on to the next step. But I guess my worst case is still a lot better than theirs.

[airisfine]

For a fact, you do not need a degree. Trigger time is big. You have to realize what your paid to do. They dont want to hire a tool that when the chips are down, they start crapping algebra equations. They want to know that you can and will do the deed. Degrees help when the slots are tight and the creme of the crop have been hired already but prior trigger time is highly wanted in this outfit. You have to take into account that there are alot of slots to fill so tools make it buy with degrees as there only experience. Some get weeded out in training and others get weeded out at the FO and others just get made fun of every time they freeze in training and end up quitting because no one will fly with them. Granted, some guys I have met with degrees as their only experience are cool as ice when the chips are down but they are rare, ultimatly it depends on the person. There are a whole lot more fams with no degrees then degrees.

[FAM Hopeful]

For a fact, you do not need a degree. Trigger time is big. You have to realize what your paid to do. They dont want to hire a tool that when the chips are down, they start crapping algebra equations. They want to know that you can and will do the deed. Degrees help when the slots are tight and the creme of the crop have been hired already but prior trigger time is highly wanted in this outfit. You have to take into account that there are alot of slots to fill so tools make it buy with degrees as there only experience. Some get weeded out in training and others get weeded out at the FO and others just get made fun of every time they freeze in training and end up quitting because no one will fly with them. Granted, some guys I have met with degrees as their only experience are cool as ice when the chips are down but they are rare, ultimatly it depends on the person. There are a whole lot more fams with no degrees then degrees.

[danthony]

Well put Air. I've noticed the same thing at my agency but we are on the other end of the spectrum. My department will hire just about any warm body. You pray that the instructors will weed these guys/gals out but its very sad when you see some of these people on the range. Knowing the shooter beside you at the range can't even shoot a state minimum 70 out of 100 does not instill confidence. Would you wanna hit a door on an active shooting with this dude? Unfortunately, I have to....

[williamske]

I would absolutely agree that a degree is not going to be, nor should it ever be, your only leveraging tool. Having a degree is not going to make you a great FAM. Obviously you need relative experience and/or the ability to be trained.

I was only stating that a degree matters in todays LE application process. And I feel that having a degree will most certainly help you.

[danthony]

Question for everyone. I work with a guy who is interested in the FAMS. He asked me but I didn't know. He is 34 and was asked me if he could be a FAMS for a few years and transfer to an 1811 position at the FBI or USSS. Would he be ineligible if he attempted the transfer when he was past the 37 yrs of age cutoff? Or is that once he's in an 1801 or 1811 position prior to 37, he's good to go? Thanks for any help.

[echat12]

If you have no education as well don't worry about it. The Federal Air Marshal Service doesn't place any value on education, doesn't require a degree. FAM doesn't even assign a numerical value or rating an individual for any formal education during the interview process at all. You could have a PhD and the panel interviewers won't care, won't ask. The questions asked will not leave any room for anything other than work experience that would be considered relevant to what an Air Marshal would expect to encounter. All you really need is relevant work experience and be able to meet medical & suitability requirements and you're golden. Having a bachelors, Masters, or being a service member without preference points won't matter at all.

It is a very very subjective process. There are no numerical values or points associated with the each individual's qualifications. From application, computer-based test, to panel interview is all subjective. Strictly pass/fail. No point's based system, nothing. The only exception is for Vet's preference if applicable. Your interview is scored but again, completely subjective.

I definitely used some examples from grad school to answer some of my panel interview questions. I also don't think you give them enough credit. They told me they have ppl from all different backgrounds working there, not all military and not all law enforcement. I specifically asked.

Also, yeah it is subjective. as um...most job interview are...that's the point of the interview. If it were all on paper, we wouldn't need this process.

And if I recall the application minimum reqs were at least a 4 yr degree.

[williamske]

Since everyone keeps bringing up the 1811 job series possiblity, how long would you work as a FAM before becoming an attractive 1811 applicant? Now that I think about it, I have applied for these positions before, was deemed qualified but never selected.

[cuyler2281]

The only way you will get into a 1811 position is if you already have LE experience or get hire entry level with FBI, DEA, ATF, ICE SA, USSS. Other than those agencies, you have to have experience in LE. I'm a combat vet with 10 veteran's preference and I can't get into a 1811 position right of the bat. Unless you get hired for those entry level position with the 5 agencies I listed above. Thare are a ton of 1811 positions is all agencies, but everyone wants to be a 1811.

[FD2FED1977]

I'll go ahead and put my two cents in about the whole degree topic (for what it's worth). First, for the FAMS process, a degree wasn't required.

Next, I know a guy that has a four year degree as well as a two year degree. When it comes to formulating and punctuating sentences, the dummy that I am without a degree, can blow him out of the water. It's not only about how able you are to learn, but, can you retain the information that you were taught?

I like how I.C.E. includes a "writing portion" in their process. That's definitely one way to tell if a person has what it takes when it comes to writing skills. I do see the value of having a degree, sure. But, on the flip side, real life experience has its' place as well.

To put things in perspective for my current line of work; I'd rather crawl down a smoke filled hallway any day with that ten year veteran that doesn't have a degree, versus the two year rookie who holds a four year degree in sociology.

No offense to those with degrees, just my opinion...;)

[williamske]

The only way you will get into a 1811 position is if you already have LE experience or get hire entry level with FBI, DEA, ATF, ICE SA, USSS. Other than those agencies, you have to have experience in LE. I'm a combat vet with 10 veteran's preference and I can't get into a 1811 position right of the bat. Unless you get hired for those entry level position with the 5 agencies I listed above. Thare are a ton of 1811 positions is all agencies, but everyone wants to be a 1811.

So you could make a valid conclusion that the FAMS would give you the LE experiece needed?

[manstown]

The only way you will get into a 1811 position is if you already have LE experience or get hire entry level with FBI, DEA, ATF, ICE SA, USSS. Other than those agencies, you have to have experience in LE. I'm a combat vet with 10 veteran's preference and I can't get into a 1811 position right of the bat. Unless you get hired for those entry level position with the 5 agencies I listed above. Thare are a ton of 1811 positions is all agencies, but everyone wants to be a 1811.

Those aren't the only 5 agencies. And because you have 10 vet points doesn't lock you in for a job. You still have to meet the qualifications of the job. If you get through the process with others and they don't have the vet points, you're the one to get the job. If they meet the quals more so then you, they get the job. Should vets, points or no points, be the first to be considered....I think so. But if they deem others to have better quals then the vets, they will consider them first. It's dirty, but that's the nature of the beast.

As for taking a job with the FAMS and moving on, it will stop the clock for your buddy. If he gets on with the FAMS before he's 37, he will be able to apply and move on to any other agency if he wants. FAMS are 6C covered. So if he gets on with the FAMS before he's 37 and wants to go FBI after he turns 37, he'll be fine.

[POSr]

I think these are all valid points, but I think that a lot of people forget that there is 17 weeks of training that one needs to complete before moving on to the actual job.

For me, I know that getting selected for hiring is just the begining. FAMS does not pull any punches about their training. If you haven't watched it already, watch the "Realistic job preview" on the TSA Canidate dashboard. They require the highest firearms proficiency of any federal agency.

If you can't be trained to be highly competent with a firearm, you will not make it.

I've seen people with no experience shoot perfect scores and I have seen people who have shot for years barely qualify. My point is that, I think there are some people who can be trained to shoot to qualify and then there are some people who can be trained to be exellent marksman or markswomen. =)

[cuyler2281]

I know there are more than 5 agencies!, but the five I named are the only agencies that hire entry level 1811's. I appled to a couple homeland Sec. 1811 and State Department. I was rated as a 90 on my NOR with my veteran's preference points included. I never got a call.

[williamske]

I was rated 95 w/o vets pref and received no call.

[manstown]

I know there are more than 5 agencies!, but the five I named are the only agencies that hire entry level 1811's. I appled to a couple homeland Sec. 1811 and State Department. I was rated as a 90 on my NOR with my veteran's preference points included. I never got a call.

And what I'm saying is that there are more that hire at the entry level. IRS CI, a ton of OIG's, NCIS, Postal Inspectors (when they were hiring) and so on. The list is pretty big. Those aren't the only ones that hire at a GS 5/7 level. And entry level for FBI is GS-10. That's 2-4 years of time in most agencies before you get to that pay level.

And with the competitiveness of the 1811 positions, a rating of 100 is still going to be tough for people to get an interview. If you're in the high 90's you may still be falling short. I've been rated in the 100's a few times for past applications and still no interview. Got the rating and "you've been moved on to the selection official" and still no interview.

[Cman21]

I was rated 95 w/o vets pref and received no call.

How do you know what you were rated?

[manstown]

Some jobs will send a rating out based on KSA's, experience and so forth. They'll send a numeric rating, which goes up to 110. Those with no military will max out at 100. Those with vet pref can max out at 105 or 110 depending on when they served and any injuries during service.

[williamske]

How do you know what you were rated?

A few weeks after an announcement closes sometimes you will receive a breakdown of all your qualifications and KSA ratings. They will give you a raw number and also state if you are qualified.

[Radar12]

Good luck this week to everyone on getting the phone call. Charge your phone tonight!

Anyone know if Chicago FO is still open? PM me.

[paul354]

I got the big red "X". :( Any chance that will change if they decide to roll the list over to next year?

[FAM Hopeful]

I got the big red "X". :( Any chance that will change if they decide to roll the list over to next year?

Negative:mad:

[Blind Justice]

Good luck this week to everyone on getting the phone call. Charge your phone tonight!

Anyone know if Chicago FO is still open? PM me.


Negative on chi town. Only NYC DC and Newark.

[POSr]

I got the big red "X". :( Any chance that will change if they decide to roll the list over to next year?

We're not sure what the big red X means just yet. I still have to take the assesment battery and I was in the same lot as some people that were referred for selection. I don't have a red X...yet. There are rumors for other classes yet this year.

FYI - for all of those that were referred for selection - I was referred for selection back in 2005, and didn't get selected, and never was given a reason why.

I wish the best for everyone and hope I'm there with you!

[WVU Brubbz]

Did I read where HR will contact potential candidates between August 18-21?

[seanjohn]

FYI - for all of those that were referred for selection - I was referred for selection back in 2005, and didn't get selected, and never was given a reason why.

I wish the best for everyone and hope I'm there with you!

Was the process similar in the since that you had interviewed with a SAC and then were given the "referred for selection"? Just curious as to whether the process is still the same from when you had that experience?

As I echo the Good Luck Chant to all who are still in the process!

[POSr]

Anyone take the PTA at the DC or Philly FO? If so, was the run done on a treadmill or track.

Please PM.

Thanks very much.

[seanjohn]

Anyone take the PTA at the DC or Philly FO? If so, was the run done on a treadmill or track.

Please PM.

Thanks very much.

At a Track!

[FAM Hopeful]

We're not sure what the big red X means just yet. I still have to take the assesment battery and I was in the same lot as some people that were referred for selection. I don't have a red X...yet. There are rumors for other classes yet this year.

FYI - for all of those that were referred for selection - I was referred for selection back in 2005, and didn't get selected, and never was given a reason why.

I wish the best for everyone and hope I'm there with you!

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