Air Marshal Job Open !

[jhmc6922]

INTHEAIRCOP is still in the air! LGA is the bomb! I love New York amd Flushing New York is off the hook!

There is nothing special about flushing ny.

[PSA #1]

There is nothing special about flushing ny.
I think it was a joke! (or at least hope it was!)

[ayden0526]

Hey guys just hang in there, things will come when it does. I went throught the same thing but stayed positive. The process is long but well worth it at the end...I waited three years.......usually after your SF-50 and transcripts a called for around two to three months you could get a call.. this means that you boundle of papers meaning your packet has been sent to a reviewing board for hiring wich takes like two weeks but gets done. just be patient and it will come,,,,, I bit my nails down till it bled by thinking about this job, it controled my life for years but it was well worth the wait. My office is amazing......

I got an email asking for these documents over a month ago....but nothing yet...i hope your right though. Im still behind though....I havent been fingerprinted and had a medical. Or is that the very LAST thing that I do?

[justdoitking]

When you get hired how long do you have to wait to transfer to another FO?

You can apply after 3 years of service, but the reality most transfers take 5-7 years persuant to all the variables with the losing and gaining FO.

[paul354]

Did anybody else just get the e-mail about them creating a "candidate dashboard'?

[ciel75]

Just got a credit alert that my credit was checked. Called and they told me it was TSA. I am a 2009 applicant. Good news!

[paul354]

congratz...

[2ndAnglico]

Have you had your panel interview?

[2ndAnglico]

Just got a credit alert that my credit was checked. Called and they told me it was TSA. I am a 2009 applicant. Good news! Have you had a panel interview yet?

[cop320]

Got my credit alert notice weeks ago. Had my test last Friday and waiting..

[ciel75]

I have not had a panel interview yet, just the email asking for the missing forms and then the conditional offer then noticed my credit report was pulled up today.

[nvgonu]

I have not had a panel interview yet, just the email asking for the missing forms and then the conditional offer then noticed my credit report was pulled up today.

I'm in the same boat as you, got a request to fax "missing documents" (which they already had) a few weeks ago, and got my COE towards the end of the month. I saw your post today about the credit check and decided to check mine and they looked at mine yesterday, but still nothing pertaining to scheduling for the test, interview, or anything. I'm so excited can't you see... but I am glad to see that things are moving along somewhat.

[500pearl]

Just received email which confirms I passed the computer test and lists the additional steps of the hiring process.

[nvgonu]

Just received email which confirms I passed the computer test and lists the additional steps of the hiring process.

Did it give you a score or just the pass/fail answer? I still have not received an email to schedule for the test.

[500pearl]

Email just indicated pass or fail, although I suspect score is kept for internal use when ranking applicants.

[kylet123]

This opening is now closed, correct? Any idea when they will open up FAMS again?

[Up_On_Base]

This opening is now closed, correct? Any idea when they will open up FAMS again?

A long time probably.

The last class from 08 will be filled this June, if you don't get an EOD soon and on 08 list, you are SOL.

Then they will really start to process 09 people, with the amount of applicants they can have a large list of must hire candidates that will last for a while. Space is limited at FLETC and ACY.

My guess would be spring 2010ish.

[kylet123]

Gotcha - thanks for that detailed info up on base!

[Up_On_Base]

Gotcha - thanks for that detailed info up on base!

You live on the front range of CO?

Until FAMS opens up again, there are some quality departments out west that need people.

CSP, CHP, OSP are some great state agencies.

Good luck.

[kylet123]

Yeah - CO front range here. I'm actually working on my CSP paperwork right now. I'd like to get in at the Fed level, but I'm open to anything for now.

[justdoitking]

A long time probably.

The last class from 08 will be filled this June, if you don't get an EOD soon and on 08 list, you are SOL.

Then they will really start to process 09 people, with the amount of applicants they can have a large list of must hire candidates that will last for a while. Space is limited at FLETC and ACY.

My guess would be spring 2010ish.


As I understood things the class in August will also be from the old lists 05-07and they are being contacted now for the rest of paperwork and process. As, those going to the June Class already know their anticipated report dates and FO of assignment and just finalizing the process for some. After that class is filled than the old lists will be scrapped.

I agree with the Spring 2010 estimate as it appears advertisement happens regularly, and so it should as it is good practice to ensure they get the best possible candidate.

[justdoitking]

INTHEAIRCOP is still in the air! LGA is the bomb! I love New York amd Flushing New York is off the hook!

Dude you have the oldest SAC in the world you should love it!

[PigsdoFly]

And you say I'm the bearer of bad news!!??

Haha, yes

[PigsdoFly]

Áre you refering to 08 & 09 applicants as 'new ones'? Great discussion happening over this topic since originally they hoped to merge the two. Sounds as though a two tier recruiting process will take place.

Yes, 08-09 applicants.

[PigsdoFly]

As I understood things the class in August will also be from the old lists 05-07and they are being contacted now for the rest of paperwork and process. As, those going to the June Class already know their anticipated report dates and FO of assignment and just finalizing the process for some. After that class is filled than the old lists will be scrapped.

There will be mulitple classes in June, the list should be scrapped before August.

it should as it is good practice to ensure they get the best possible candidate.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, in a perfect world.

[cop320]

I just recieved an email stating I passed the test and will be contacted for an interview. Anyone have a timeline on how quick they plan on picking guys up for the academy?

[Statetriple]

Bud

Not trying to be funny but anywhere from 6 months to 3 years and anywhere in between NO JOKE!!

[cop320]

Figured so. I'm in my 10th year in the federal system so I have a pretty good idea..was just wondering

[2ndAnglico]

As I understood things the class in August will also be from the old lists 05-07and they are being contacted now for the rest of paperwork and process. As, those going to the June Class already know their anticipated report dates and FO of assignment and just finalizing the process for some. After that class is filled than the old lists will be scrapped.

I agree with the Spring 2010 estimate as it appears advertisement happens regularly, and so it should as it is good practice to ensure they get the best possible candidate.

Where are you guys getting your information from? Is it realiable info?

[2ndAnglico]

A long time probably.

The last class from 08 will be filled this June, if you don't get an EOD soon and on 08 list, you are SOL.

Then they will really start to process 09 people, with the amount of applicants they can have a large list of must hire candidates that will last for a while. Space is limited at FLETC and ACY.

My guess would be spring 2010ish.

Just curious, where are you guys getting this info from? is it realiable info?

[Up_On_Base]

Just curious, where are you guys getting this info from? is it realiable info?

Can't say.

But yes...very reliable.

[justdoitking]

I would say the information is pretty reliable, but look what pigs said as small corrections to things in my post that I sought some clarification about.

My sources are not to be revealed, FYI I am not an applicant, I have regular contact with insiders in both TSA & FAMS.

[PigsdoFly]

I would say the information is pretty reliable, but look what pigs said as small corrections to things in my post that I sought some clarification about.

My sources are not to be revealed, FYI I am not an applicant, I have regular contact with insiders in both TSA & FAMS.

Many of us are located in various spots and we get the "same but different" info on the various issues about hiring and what not. We feed off of each other with what we know is up to date info.

[2ndAnglico]

Many of us are located in various spots and we get the "same but different" info on the various issues about hiring and what not. We feed off of each other with what we know is up to date info.

I heard this from the field office that no information is reliable unless it comes from TSA human resource, they have the last say so on who gets hired and I also have contacts with FAMS

[justdoitking]

I heard this from the field office that no information is reliable unless it comes from TSA human resource, they have the last say so on who gets hired and I also have contacts with FAMS

Well then you can discount our info, but in many instances it comes from Human Capital or Lockheed or another office that is part of the process. We are telling you what they won't.

[cop320]

I am scheduled for a panel, pta, and SAC interview on Friday. Anyone else hear anything?

[PigsdoFly]

I heard this from the field office that no information is reliable unless it comes from TSA human resource, they have the last say so on who gets hired and I also have contacts with FAMS

Well then I guess that if the FO told you that then they know it all even though we work in HQ positions. I just put out what I am told from upper, upper, upper management, and I can said I've been on the dot with much I put out.

[manstown]

I will say that Pigs will be very reliable in the information on hiring. I would even say that the information he passes on would be better than the retards at FO's, and I'll even include SAC's, who know very little to nothing.

[Up_On_Base]

The truth is, anyone of us could be some 16 yeard old punk living in our parent's basement just putting out bad info.

There is no real way to verify who is who...its the internet...and the internet is just a series of tubes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f99PcP0aFNE

But I will say this, if you read all the posts on this thread, some people like Pigs/Manstown/etc have some real solid info.

[jtmo25]

I am scheduled for a panel, pta, and SAC interview on Friday. Anyone else hear anything?

I'm taking mine tomorrow in Philly.

[justdoitking]

I'm taking mine tomorrow in Philly.

Ladies and Gentleman,

Keep some of your personal information close to your vest, what you are doing and when (Specifics). You may understand better a little later, make broader statements if you want to share. For example, I have been contacted to attend a East Coast office for an interview and will be attending this week.

[justdoitking]

I am scheduled for a panel, pta, and SAC interview on Friday. Anyone else hear anything?

Good Luck! :)

[Navalaircrewman]

The truth is, anyone of us could be some 16 yeard old punk living in our parent's basement just putting out bad info.

There is no real way to verify who is who...its the internet...and the internet is just a series of tubes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f99PcP0aFNE

But I will say this, if you read all the posts on this thread, some people like Pigs/Manstown/etc have some real solid info.

Well...I can vouch for pigsdofly, ...So my suggestion to all of you is to listen very carefully to what he has to say.

[justdoitking]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJYJEkuUH-4

[PigsdoFly]

Thanks Mans and Naval...

[hiltonheadgolf]

Anyone know the number at TSA you can call to get the status of your application ?

[paul354]

People who have applied for or would like to apply for an employment position at TSA, please call toll-free: 1-800-887-1895.

People with hearing impairments please call: 1-800-887-5506.

People who are currently employed by TSA, please call toll-free: 1-866-274-6438.

If you are interested in applying for a position with the TSA or are a current applicant or employee, please contact the HR Access Help Desk.

HR Access Help Desk

Contact Information:
Telephone: 1-877-TSA-7990 (1-877-872-7990)
Email: HelpDesk@tsa-hraccess.com
Fax: 1-877-TSA-7993 (1-877-872-7993)
TTY: 1-877-TSA-7992 (1-877-872-7992)
Website: https://HRAccess.tsa.dhs.gov

Availability:
Monday thru Friday 7:00 a.m. - 8:00 p.m. ET
Saturday 10:00 a.m. - 3:00 p.m. ET
Sunday 12:00 a.m. - 4:00 p.m. ET

Mailing Address:
Lockheed Martin
Human Resources Service Ctr.
2nd Floor - Metroplace 1
2650 Park Tower Drive
Vienna, VA 22180-7300

(http://www.tsa.gov/contact/index.shtm)

[hiltonheadgolf]

People who have applied for or would like to apply for an employment position at TSA, please call toll-free: 1-800-887-1895.

People with hearing impairments please call: 1-800-887-5506.

People who are currently employed by TSA, please call toll-free: 1-866-274-6438.

If you are interested in applying for a position with the TSA or are a current applicant or employee, please contact the HR Access Help Desk.

HR Access Help Desk

Contact Information:
Telephone: 1-877-TSA-7990 (1-877-872-7990)
Email: HelpDesk@tsa-hraccess.com
Fax: 1-877-TSA-7993 (1-877-872-7993)
TTY: 1-877-TSA-7992 (1-877-872-7992)
Website: https://HRAccess.tsa.dhs.gov

Availability:
Monday thru Friday 7:00 a.m. - 8:00 p.m. ET
Saturday 10:00 a.m. - 3:00 p.m. ET
Sunday 12:00 a.m. - 4:00 p.m. ET

Mailing Address:
Lockheed Martin
Human Resources Service Ctr.
2nd Floor - Metroplace 1
2650 Park Tower Drive
Vienna, VA 22180-7300

(http://www.tsa.gov/contact/index.shtm)


Damn...thanks :)

[500pearl]

had the panel interview today

[Robbcat]

Gents,
I have been contacted to take the online test. Without going into to much detail, what can you tell me about the test? Is it comprehensive, written, or is it a color vision thing like TSA screeners? Thanks in advance

[nvgonu]

had the panel interview today

How'd you do man? How was it? Long, interesting, intimidating, typical law enforcement interview? They tell you right there if you pass/fail?

[500pearl]

I don't know how I did, I felt I did fine, but it's just me, I could be wrong. I was not told on the spot whether I passed or not, nor was I told if I will be contacted. It was pointless to have posted this, but that was what happened.

[Up_On_Base]

Anyone know if FAMS is using Crossfit type training at FLETC/ACY?

[nvgonu]

Anyone know if FAMS is using Crossfit type training at FLETC/ACY?

When I was there it did not look like they were, nor did I ask, but I am very familiar with Crossfit. Awesome workout plan, and would be great not just for PT for FAMS, but is effective enough in the small amount of time it requires for the bogged down FAM who wants a good workout.

[Wrangler81]

When I was there it did not look like they were, nor did I ask, but I am very familiar with Crossfit. Awesome workout plan, and would be great not just for PT for FAMS, but is effective enough in the small amount of time it requires for the bogged down FAM who wants a good workout.

just got out of fletc last month... it's pretty much all running and crossfit for most agencies down there right now.....

[Bear1005]

Anyone know if FAMS is using Crossfit type training at FLETC/ACY?

That is an affirmative, but its not exactly the same as the website workouts. Meaning it is parts of different workouts put together to make a new workout. Does that make sense? Lol. Hope that helps.

[justdoitking]

http://www.weather.com/weather/local/USNM0021

[PigsdoFly]

Anyone know if FAMS is using Crossfit type training at FLETC/ACY?

A better term would be functional fittness ;) and yes it is done.

[josh.greenawalt]

Scheduled my test today.

[Md094]

Anyone know if FAMS is using Crossfit type training at FLETC/ACY?

AAGGHHH!!! Brings back some brutal memories of some incredibly hard workouts. But, when you are done you definitely feel like you accomplished something.

As someone else said, they are based on Crossfit but they are more of a melting of those ideas into the instructors own work out plans.

[ayden0526]

A long time probably.

The last class from 08 will be filled this June, if you don't get an EOD soon and on 08 list, you are SOL.

Then they will really start to process 09 people, with the amount of applicants they can have a large list of must hire candidates that will last for a while. Space is limited at FLETC and ACY.

My guess would be spring 2010ish.

as i understood it from a reliable source, the two lists are now merged by this new system...so they would be picking from both.....thats why the 08's had to apply again......obviously my info isnt concrete......so i welcome any other theories....by all means.....i would love to know what is going on

[ayden0526]

then again....i guess a contact in hq will be more reliable than an asac...so by all means....answer this.....if i contact HR to inquire about my app.....will they be able to define to me where i am at and what my status is? will i even be able to get someone on the phone? will they be fairly reliable info?

[nvgonu]

I scheduled mine today too!

[vincentvega]

What weapon do fams carry?

[PigsdoFly]

What weapon do fams carry?

What does Jack Bauer use? :D

[PigsdoFly]

then again....i guess a contact in hq will be more reliable than an asac...so by all means....answer this.....if i contact HR to inquire about my app.....will they be able to define to me where i am at and what my status is? will i even be able to get someone on the phone? will they be fairly reliable info?

Are you finished everything?

[justdoitking]

What does Jack Bauer use? :D

Pigs here is the answer;

http://24.wikia.com/wiki/Weapons_used_by_Jack_Bauer

;)

[justdoitking]

then again....i guess a contact in hq will be more reliable than an asac...so by all means....answer this.....if i contact HR to inquire about my app.....will they be able to define to me where i am at and what my status is? will i even be able to get someone on the phone? will they be fairly reliable info?


Dude, I would not trust all contacts at HQ's (Many are ASAC and above) but Pigs is releiable look at each of his post he has been consistent and honest.

[justdoitking]

this information is considered SSI by the FAM Service, so i dont think your going to get anyone to answer it, although you can find plenty of open source material that have already spilled the beans.

This is not SSI as FAM Management has publicly released it in news stories. Hence it being available in open sources.

Although no FAM speaks about it publicly because of following good practices. You will find not as much stuff as people believeis SSI really meets the definition of or is SSI per se. Although for other reasons it is not readily available and or released in open forums. Furthermore, keep in mind there are other classifications within the Law Enforcement community this information may fall under as well.

[dtown101]

this information is considered SSI by the FAM Service, so i dont think your going to get anyone to answer it, although you can find plenty of open source material that have already spilled the beans.

They carry a gun that shoots real bullets :)

[dtown101]

AAGGHHH!!! Brings back some brutal memories of some incredibly hard workouts. But, when you are done you definitely feel like you accomplished something.

As someone else said, they are based on Crossfit but they are more of a melting of those ideas into the instructors own work out plans.


FLETC/ARTESIA----crossfit/yes
ACY-----crossfit/no

[PigsdoFly]

They carry a gun that shoots real bullets :)

We carry guns?

[PigsdoFly]

FLETC/ARTESIA----crossfit/yes
ACY-----crossfit/no

ACY does do it now, its called functional fittness.

[gonefishin]

We carry guns?

I stopped carrying my gun two years ago...after they taught us the vulcan neck pinch I figured I didn't need to carry it anymore....now I just carry the poison tipped darts and the throwing stars

[justdoitking]

The fact that what type of weapon we carry and what ammunition is SSI came to me straight from a K band. and yes i realize its everywhere on the internet and that the authorization to publicly release it should mean it is no longer SSI, but i am merely writing what I was told very recently.

Wow this surprises me; Especially with the current on going case over SSI and all of management except 1 is still employed that released this information previously.

http://www.pogo.org/pogo-files/alerts/homeland-security/hs-aviation-20030729.html

Have you seen this where the old ICE OPR Investigation even speaks out?

http://pogoblog.typepad.com/pogo/2009/05/air-marshal-whistleblowers-get-ally-to-speak-out-on-agency-retaliation.html

Anyhow if you need news on the FAMS go to:

http://www.airmarshal.us/

It is not a bad agency to work for, you get paid well for what you do. It is rather safe as well!

[baltimore33]

I applied to the 2009 announcement. Since then I have received a contingent offer and passed the computer based exam. On 5/13/2009, I passed the PTA, the panel interview, as well as an interview with the Special Agent in Charge. I'm waiting to be scheduled to submit my fingerprints which I was told is the next step in the hiring process. I interviewed at the Washington, DC field office.

[vincentvega]

baltimore33 you're moving pretty fast, thats good!


what's the dress attire for the computer test?

[ayden0526]

Are you finished everything?

All i have done is the phone int, panel int, sac int, pta, and drug test......did all of this in the beggining of march.......but im part of the 08 announcement.......and some of the 09's are being pushed through faster....whats up with that? also.....if I call the help desk, is it worth the time? what would they even be able to tell me?

[hiltonheadgolf]

All i have done is the phone int, panel int, sac int, pta, and drug test......did all of this in the beggining of march.......but im part of the 08 announcement.......and some of the 09's are being pushed through faster....whats up with that? also.....if I call the help desk, is it worth the time? what would they even be able to tell me?

I called them Monday of last week and was told someone would call me or email me in the next day or so, but I never heard anything back from them. Guess it doesn't hurt if you try though.

People from the '09 announcement may be getting pushed through faster because they have military preference or they are "Highly Qualified"...you might not be...that's the only thing I can think of.

[dtown101]

ACY does do it now, its called functional fittness.


sorry pig...we never did any crossfit....grad in Jan 09

[PigsdoFly]

sorry pig...we never did any crossfit....grad in Jan 09

Its May now and TRUST ME it is done.

[PigsdoFly]

All i have done is the phone int, panel int, sac int, pta, and drug test......did all of this in the beggining of march.......but im part of the 08 announcement.......and some of the 09's are being pushed through faster....whats up with that? also.....if I call the help desk, is it worth the time? what would they even be able to tell me?

You can call but like the other person said you may not get a call back. There are a number of issues right now with areas.

[Up_On_Base]

Its May now and TRUST ME it is done.

I like Crossfit type training much better than the old standard. In the USSS we used to perform an hour of push/sit/pull/squats/etc then go an awful 3-5 mile run.

I loved the combo days of Cals, Sprints, Weights,
etc...nothing is worse than a long run.

Read an interesting article that crossfit type training in military/LE enviroment actually improved 1.5 mile performance over long distance training. If I can find it again, I will post on here.

[dtown101]

Its May now and TRUST ME it is done.


I stand corrected Pig is correct on the crossfit at acy....

[Navalaircrewman]

I stand corrected Pig is correct on the crossfit at acy....

..Like I said, Pigs is a VERY reliable source. Some of you guys on here should understand that others on here are closer to the source than you may think!

[justdoitking]

..Like I said, Pigs is a VERY reliable source. Some of you guys on here should understand that others on here are closer to the source than you may think!

Naval I agree, as some of us know Pigs has been around and my advice to a newbie is to listen to what he is saying. I will say those who doubts or questions what Pigs post unless they have evidence to the contrary (I would doubt this exsist) is not wise to refute it. As this is as close to first hand unbiased information anyone on the outside looking in can get!

[dtown101]

Naval I agree, as some of us know Pigs has been around and my advice to a newbie is to listen to what he is saying. I will say those who doubts or questions what Pigs post unless they have evidence to the contrary (I would doubt this exsist) is not wise to refute it. As this is as close to first hand unbiased information anyone on the outside looking in can get!

are yall dating pig ???? JK... i was just going by when I went through training which wasnt too long ago....

[justdoitking]

are yall dating pig ???? JK... i was just going by when I went through training which wasnt too long ago....

It's all good but as you know how important good Intel is! As well as how rapid change is in the agency. Therefore, a Quarter of a year is a long time in an evolving agency time span.

Brother just be conscious of who is who in the Zoo, that's a tip, I share with any new employee to the G or old employee who hasn't learned it yet. Even more important around the Northern VA, DC area.

Stay Vigilant

Peace

[Lazer]

Hey guys just hang in there, things will come when it does. I went throught the same thing but stayed positive. The process is long but well worth it at the end...I waited three years.......usually after your SF-50 and transcripts a called for around two to three months you could get a call.. this means that you boundle of papers meaning your packet has been sent to a reviewing board for hiring wich takes like two weeks but gets done. just be patient and it will come,,,,, I bit my nails down till it bled by thinking about this job, it controled my life for years but it was well worth the wait. My office is amazing......


I AM AN EXAMPLE OF THIS AS WELL....WAITING FOR 3.5 YEARS.......JUST HIRED A LIITLE BIT AGO

[josh.greenawalt]

FAM-F09-F001 Federal Air Marshal Vacancy Status Unavailable Band G:Application Received more details No Comment
FAM-F09-F003 Federal Air Marshal Vacancy Status Unavailable Band G:Application Received more details No Comment

This is in my file right now. Is this the reason I've received two different invitations for the computer test?

[ciel75]

I also received two different emails for the computer test. I took it on may 17 and just got an email today inviting me to take the the test. I called and the woman said it was probably sent by mistake. She said that the test showed up as completed in my file.

[paul354]

I still have nothing...but I'm hanging in.

[baltimore33]

2009 Applicant. Was just offered the Washington, DC field office pending the results of fingerprints, medical, and urine specimen.

[Up_On_Base]

2009 Applicant. Was just offered the Washington, DC field office pending the results of fingerprints, medical, and urine specimen.

Wow...that is very fast, I guess the new system works huh?

[justdoitking]

It cannot be confirmed but I heard from a third party, they are recruiting current Federal Employees now for the next class, and they thought Vets but was not certain about that. Maybe Pigs has some light to shed what is going on since some people started the process and then got froze in time so to speak.

[2ndAnglico]

2009 Applicant. Was just offered the Washington, DC field office pending the results of fingerprints, medical, and urine specimen.

How long after your panel interview did they contact you for fingerprint, medical and urine specimen? Or did you do that during the interview process?

[dtown101]

It cannot be confirmed but I heard from a third party, they are recruiting current Federal Employees now for the next class, and they thought Vets but was not certain about that. Maybe Pigs has some light to shed what is going on since some people started the process and then got froze in time so to speak.


when i was in the FO yesterday they were doing panel interviews

[Pvt. Cowboy]

Checking my email today...

...and still nothing from FAMS. Kinda makes you second guess your application when guys who applied at the same time as you are already waiting for results from their whiz quiz and medical to get an offer...

[PigsdoFly]

It cannot be confirmed but I heard from a third party, they are recruiting current Federal Employees now for the next class, and they thought Vets but was not certain about that. Maybe Pigs has some light to shed what is going on since some people started the process and then got froze in time so to speak.

About hiring only current Feds for the next class, I have not heard that yet but it may be true.

On to some other "bad" news... hiring is being froze in time. The FAMS are slowing it down for now, reasons I cannot say. If your in the process keep your hopes up, things may change next week because at the drop of a hat they change their minds.

[devon35]

How long after your panel interview did they contact you for fingerprint, medical and urine specimen? Or did you do that during the interview process?

I completed the panel interview about ten days ago. I received a call today informing me that I am scheduled for a medical examination which includes a urine specimen on 5-27-09 in New Jersey. I have been tentatively selected to participate with the academy class which starts on 6-21-09. Upon conclusion of the results of the medical examination, I will then be scheduled to submit fingerprints.

[dtown101]

I completed the panel interview about ten days ago. I received a call today informing me that I am scheduled for a medical examination which includes a urine specimen on 5-27-09 in New Jersey. I have been tentatively selected to participate with the academy class which starts on 6-21-09. Upon conclusion of the results of the medical examination, I will then be scheduled to submit fingerprints.


your good to go...

[Robbcat]

I completed the panel interview about ten days ago. I received a call today informing me that I am scheduled for a medical examination which includes a urine specimen on 5-27-09 in New Jersey. I have been tentatively selected to participate with the academy class which starts on 6-21-09. Upon conclusion of the results of the medical examination, I will then be scheduled to submit fingerprints.

What about the Physical Fitness Test? When in the process does this happen?

[jchughes05]

I have a feeling it will be 3yrs before I hear anything back, with my luck.

[jtmo25]

What about the Physical Fitness Test? When in the process does this happen?

I took mine on the same day as my panel and SAC interview.

[justdoitking]

Happy Memorial Day to all, please take a few minutes to reflect.

I recently got an alert from TSA and this came up from last year on the page I was viewing, I thought it was interesting, so would like to share it with you.

Not sure who to believe here, knowing some past and present facts and figures myself;

http://www.tsa.gov/approach/mythbusters/fams_shortage.shtm

[FCAP_2008]

It seems like they will have a academy every month in the summer. Thats good to hear. How many people are in a class ussally 50?

[cop320]

I heard the next academy is June then August..any truth to this?

[sgtjohns919]

Has anyone heard news from the 2008 list? I was on the 08 list took all the portions but the medical and I haven't heard a thing. I am guessing by now that I haven't gotten the job, however, it would have been nice for FAMS HQ to at least send a " thanks but no thanks" email or something.

Anyone even know if they send our rejection notices? I was told by FAMS recruiter that they would let us know one way or the other. Or was that just another recruiter lie?

[sgtjohns919]

Aeyden0526.....Part of the 2008 list too. Haven't heard a thing either. guess we are out brother?!

[justdoitking]

Aeyden0526.....Part of the 2008 list too. Haven't heard a thing either. guess we are out brother?!

Stay calm and breath, look back at past posts how long it has taken others to get in and at what point they interviewed etc. It is the G nothing is as expected. Do not give up hang in there!

[sgtjohns919]

thanks "justdoitking" I know it is the "G" but when folks from the 2009 list are getting calls and folks from the 2008 list haven't heard a word. That is even messed up for the "G".

[Up_On_Base]

Would like to get some opinions on FAMS vs. Trooper/traditional LE.

I know they are very different missions, careers, etc. The reason I ask, I was working out this weekend with 2 MD State Troopers. They love the job but the pay is not the greatest, that was the only gripe.

Now, I hear from several FAMS/UD/USCP guys that the money is awesome but the job is not the greatest.

So to any FAMS out there, do you like the job and what would you change in a perfect world?

Just thought I would change up the conversation on here from the standard, why didn't I get the call, when are they going to call, what is on the test, I think my phone is broken, etc...

[Statetriple]

I can say as a State LE I love my job but pay and benefits are a big factor in taking a FAMS position. My pay is not that great here but job satisfaction wise I am happy. With FAMS time will tell

[dtown101]

I can say as a State LE I love my job but pay and benefits are a big factor in taking a FAMS position. My pay is not that great here but job satisfaction wise I am happy. With FAMS time will tell

dont listen to this guy...he is a wannabe FAMS....HAHAHAHA

[PSA #1]

thanks "justdoitking" I know it is the "G" but when folks from the 2009 list are getting calls and folks from the 2008 list haven't heard a word. That is even messed up for the "G".

The way they do things doesn't make sense! How can they hire 2009's when they have plenty of good people from 2008? They need, or "should" close the 2008 list and send out thank you but no thank you letters prior to hiring 2009's............................................ .................................................. .....
Why are 2008's still waiting to hear anything either way? They don't keep any of us very well informed or up to date!!!! How bad would it be to tell us we should get a call by "X" date, or thanks but no thanks.....Your either qualified, or not qualified. From what I gather your local F/O decides if they want you, and if they like you it goes to DC.. Once in DC your file gets lost, or sits on someones desk. Don't even bother calling the help # as they can't figure out how to answer the phone, or tie shoes, or chew gum....
With that said,
GOOD LUCK!

[PigsdoFly]

I heard the next academy is June then August..any truth to this?

Yes and no, but dates should not be discussed here.

[PigsdoFly]

It seems like they will have a academy every month in the summer. Thats good to hear. How many people are in a class ussally 50?

Class sizes and numbers should not be discussed on open forums... sorry.

[PigsdoFly]

Would like to get some opinions on FAMS vs. Trooper/traditional LE.

I know they are very different missions, careers, etc. The reason I ask, I was working out this weekend with 2 MD State Troopers. They love the job but the pay is not the greatest, that was the only gripe.

Now, I hear from several FAMS/UD/USCP guys that the money is awesome but the job is not the greatest.

So to any FAMS out there, do you like the job and what would you change in a perfect world?

Just thought I would change up the conversation on here from the standard, why didn't I get the call, when are they going to call, what is on the test, I think my phone is broken, etc...

The job is great, travel, pay, benefits... wouldn't change a thing...;)

[manstown]

Now Pigs..........No need to fill the forum with BS!

[gonefishin]

The job is great, travel, pay, benefits... wouldn't change a thing...;)

Liar Liar Pants on Fire!

[vincentvega]

what is the order of the fitness test? i'm pretty sure the 1.5 mile run is the last event, is there a set order for the others?

[jtmo25]

what is the order of the fitness test? i'm pretty sure the 1.5 mile run is the last event, is there a set order for the others?

Pull-ups, sit-ups, pushups, 1.5 run.

[vincentvega]

are the pull-ups done with the palms facing out or in?

[jtmo25]

are the pull-ups done with the palms facing out or in?

Either way is acceptable. I find it easier to do them palms in, but it all depends on what you feel more comfortable with. If you PM me your e-mail address I could send you the Pre-Training Manual that breaks it all down.

[justdoitking]

The job is great, travel, pay, benefits... wouldn't change a thing...;)

Some people think this of the FAMS and others say the job is great but.....

Manstown and others that been there and those that are there now these butts!:)

Look lets be honest if you take the job you know what you are getting, plenty of travel and pay for what you do and the benefits are not all that bad. Personally, that's why I think the job is for a person without family commitments so to speak, as the job reduces your quality of life otherwise.

[dtown101]

are the pull-ups done with the palms facing out or in?


its one handed pullups:)
26.2 mile run:mad:
one arm pushups
situps with 25 pound medicine ball

fams dont mess around...

[PigsdoFly]

its one handed pullups:)
26.2 mile run:mad:
one arm pushups
situps with 25 pound medicine ball

fams dont mess around...

Thats right, all done while saving the old lady and baby in the rear of the aircraft....

[manstown]

Don't forget also, while fighting the fat guy for the last bag of peanuts. Damn you fat guy!!!!

[dtown101]

Don't forget also, while fighting the fat guy for the last bag of peanuts. Damn you fat guy!!!!

bag of peanuts???....i would be fighting over the cranberry mix nuts bag...yum:)

[horse]

or moving out of the way while your seated because someones butt is right in your face while they put thier bag up,then ducking the bag as it falls from the luggage rack because it WAY WAY to big but yet they insist to put it in the over head anyway just to be checked by the flight attendent....ahhhh the start of a great day.

[justdoitking]

CAUTION this forum may contain traces of nuts!

[McPhenius]

its one handed pullups:)
26.2 mile run:mad:
one arm pushups
situps with 25 pound medicine ball

fams dont mess around...

No pulling the airplane? :p

[jchughes05]

With your teeth OR armpit hair, your choice.

[PigsdoFly]

Now Pigs..........No need to fill the forum with BS!

Sorry, someone must have spiked my drink with koolaid....:D

[cop320]

Anyone hear anything after the panel interview?

[ayden0526]

Aeyden0526.....Part of the 2008 list too. Haven't heard a thing either. guess we are out brother?!

tell me about it...ive been at this for 3 years. BS, 19 credits toward masters, 8 years of experience in LE...Im not expecting anything anymore. I was interviewed the very first day that they launched them in 09...and havent heard anything. seems like everytime if hear from them, they calls are nearly a year apart...

[ayden0526]

i need the military experience i guess...or fed one

[manstown]

Sorry, someone must have spiked my drink with koolaid....:D

Don't drink the koolaid, Pigs! Just say no!......Just say no!

[justdoitking]

Must have drunk the Deputy or Directors Coffee

[dtown101]

Sorry, someone must have spiked my drink with koolaid....:D

its not the koolaid...its the swine flu brother....


movie quote "I see your drinking 2% milk, is that because you think your fat"

Who am I ???

[500pearl]

its not the koolaid...its the swine flu brother....


movie quote "I see your drinking 2% milk, is that because you think your fat"

Who am I ???

Napoleon Dynamite.

[Esco]

I heard they arent recruiting as many LEO's for some reason. There getting teachers,engineers,business man,etc.. Can anyone with give any more info on this?

[manstown]

Buddy of mine at one of the FO's said that two of their new hires were a waitress and a masseuse before being hired. That's the FAMS for you!

[Md094]

Buddy of mine at one of the FO's said that two of their new hires were a waitress and a masseuse before being hired. That's the FAMS for you!

And wait until you train with them once they graduate and you wonder what the hell are they doing there...

[FormerUSAF]

Heard the same stories manstown............

I heard they were replacing FAMS with Jedi Knights from the Old Republic......:cool:

Would have loved to have experienced the FAMS but did not get picked up....got picked up by another agency. Either way that's some great training the FAMS recieve.

Congratz to all you guys who will.

[PigsdoFly]

I heard they arent recruiting as many LEO's for some reason. There getting teachers,engineers,business man,etc.. Can anyone with give any more info on this?

I wouldn't really use the term "recruiting", but I have said it before and I'll say it again there is no ryhme or reason for who they hire.

[justdoitking]

Buddy of mine at one of the FO's said that two of their new hires were a waitress and a masseuse before being hired. That's the FAMS for you!

My experience and what the evidence shows is they select not recruit who will be the best fit maybe not for the job per se but for the management and that is why you have a SAC interview versus standard interview board, also they may be selecting for what may be the future mission they have planned for the FAMS (who knows).

A masseuse is valuable to give you leg massages to keep you from getting DVT well and a waitress will get a ground job quickly so they can wait on them hand and feet.

Please do not try to guess why they hire who they hire or else it will take you down a path you do not need to go down. We can all make fun of it but the reality is what, they still do it. Keep trying and eventually you may get a chance. I would also be looking at other agencies, you may have a better chance and their processes seem quicker for sure.

Now that DHS has a new Human Capital Chief one would like to think some things will change.

[ciel75]

I applied in 2009. I got the call for the panel interview yesterday. I am a current federal LEO.

[justdoitking]

Interesting article that just recently ran about this office.:)

http://nky.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20090524/NEWS0103/905250329/

[cop320]

Just got an offer and have my medical next week.

[james1975]

I took the computer test for Fams yesterday and I thought the test was a bunch of BS, did anybody else feel this way too??? The first part was retarded and the second was not so bad.....

[hiltonheadgolf]

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[Lancer07]

any information about the next open announcement for FAMs?

[SD5326]

I would advise against posting information of any sort on the tests. Hope everyone applying loves to fly, fly , and then fly some more and when you're super tired of flying...yeah...fly...some more. Make no mistakes about it, you will not be given a GB assignment because you don't like flying anymore. Also, don't think you're going to come in and fly for a few years and get some kind of cushy office job unless you possess some HIGHLY spectacular skill sets that are needed. If you're coming into this job thinking you'll take any FO and get a transfer a few years later....guess again. Some have been waiting for eight years to get one and still haven't came close to getting it. These are all things to think about before you take the job. If your marriage is on shaky terms I'd highly advise against taking the job because I have seen it more than one time tear married couples apart. Flying puts enough strain on your marriage as it is.....even if everything is going ok. Just some no nonsense, unPC, thinking points from an experienced flying FAM. Oh yeah, the money is great if you're not sick and can stay awake long enough to spend it. Sorry about the rant fellow FAMs, had to put it out there once. You'll never see this kind of post from me ever again.

[SD5326]

any information about the next open announcement for FAMs?


LOL! Really?

[Bearcat357]

I would advise against posting information of any sort on the tests. Hope everyone applying loves to fly, fly , and then fly some more and when you're super tired of flying...yeah...fly...some more. Make no mistakes about it, you will not be given a GB assignment because you don't like flying anymore. Also, don't think you're going to come in and fly for a few years and get some kind of cushy office job unless you possess some HIGHLY spectacular skill sets that are needed. If you're coming into this job thinking you'll take any FO and get a transfer a few years later....guess again. Some have been waiting for eight years to get one and still haven't came close to getting it. These are all things to think about before you take the job. If your marriage is on shaky terms I'd highly advise against taking the job because I have seen it more than one time tear married couples apart. Flying puts enough strain on your marriage as it is.....even if everything is going ok. Just some no nonsense, unPC, thinking points from an experienced flying FAM. Oh yeah, the money is great if you're not sick and can stay awake long enough to spend it. Sorry about the rant fellow FAMs, had to put it out there once. You'll never see this kind of post from me ever again.

Thanks for the post....maybe a few will realize what the job really entails....but I doubt it.....a few of us (Actual FAMS or folks like me that know/fly with them from time-to-time) have posted stuff like this before....only to be ignored or brushed off......

Folks seem to think that the FAM gig is the greatest job in the world....that they are going to be arresting terrorists on a daily basis, that they will be home on weekends/holidays with the wife and kids, the folks at their FO won't be jacking with them, that in few years they can move to a more scenic FO after working hard at the one they got assigned to, that they will eventually get to do some highspeed/lowdrag stuff on the ground or work 9-5 on a JTF, and that they will actually have time to do stuff when they hit the ground like Joe Blow the Tourist........

And that just isn't the case.....

[2ndAnglico]

Just got an offer and have my medical next week.

When did you do your interview? And how did they contact you for the offer.

[dtown101]

Napoleon Dynamite.

we have a winner!!!!!

[Md094]

I have been flying for several months now and really do like the job. I was in local law enforcement for over 13 years and understand the politics of the job, which I think has helped me here. The pay is great and the paper work is low. There are some weeks were you get home and you are worn out, other weeks the schedule is great. Just like with every job there will be good days and bad days.

My only words of caution echo many other posts here and that is to make sure you have all of the car chasing, door kicking and throwing people on the ground out of your system before you take the job.

Overall, I am very happy to have made the jump.

[sgtjohns919]

wow, sorry to say but glad there is someone else out there feeling my pain. I was told that my "folder" was referred to DC HQ. That was the last I heard, limbo since then

[911fedz]

I applied in 2009. I got the call for the panel interview yesterday. I am a current federal LEO.

Did you take the computer test yet......... before your panel.....

[PigsdoFly]

If your marriage is on shaky terms I'd highly advise against taking the job because I have seen it more than one time tear married couples apart. Flying puts enough strain on your marriage as it is.....even if everything is going ok.

Well maybe this job is a soultion to any and all marriage issues, I'll run it by my marriage counselor...:D

[PigsdoFly]

any information about the next open announcement for FAMs?

End of the year....

[PigsdoFly]

Folks seem to think that the FAM gig is the greatest job in the world....that they are going to be arresting terrorists on a daily basis

Com'on Bear, you know as well as I do that if we were partners flying together we would be kickin azz and taking names.... getting more notches on our gun belts then the Wyatt Earp days....:cool:

[Bearcat357]

Com'on Bear, you know as well as I do that if we were partners flying together we would be kickin azz and taking names.... getting more notches on our gun belts then the Wyatt Earp days....:cool:

Those notches would be from all the beer we drank and all the stripers we got friendly with......especially right outside of DCA..... :D

[manstown]

Com'on Bear, you know as well as I do that if we were partners flying together we would be kickin azz and taking names.... getting more notches on our gun belts then the Wyatt Earp days....:cool:


I miss those notches!

[dtown101]

"PULL OVER!!!!"......"no, its a cardigan but thanks for noticing"

[500pearl]

"PULL OVER!!!!"......"no, its a cardigan but thanks for noticing"

dumb and dumber?

[hiltonheadgolf]

"PULL OVER!!!!"......"no, its a cardigan but thanks for noticing"

"Yeah, killer boots man."

[justdoitking]

Those notches would be from all the beer we drank and all the stripers we got friendly with......especially right outside of DCA..... :D

One must wonder if this behavior is why so many of these guys have marriage problems and or an Ex, or is it the job?

As alcoholism, divorce and suicide are higher among law enforcement than any other profession, FAMS is no exception.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKe1FvtaEYI As FAMS has lost one a year since 2002.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

I have been flying for several months now and really do like the job. I was in local law enforcement for over 13 years and understand the politics of the job, which I think has helped me here. The pay is great and the paper work is low. There are some weeks were you get home and you are worn out, other weeks the schedule is great. Just like with every job there will be good days and bad days.
Overall, I am very happy to have made the jump.

:mad:You are still new here and give it another year, about that time you will wish you never left the street. Forget about ever getting an atsac position due to the fact there are so many in front of you. Forget about getting a ground based job because we have very few. After seven years here I have gotten used to this agency crapping on me and I just don’t care anymore. I just come in, do my 9 hours and go home. I can care less what my atsac thinks about me and I know I will never get a promotion. You new guys will see that it does not matter what background you have but how much butt you kiss to get a leg up in this agency. We have guys with only 2 year degrees getting promotions and guys with master’s degrees who are still flying. My partner has a master’s degree in accounting, he was an 1811 for ten years and he still has not been promoted after flying 7 years. But they promoted a guy with no college degree and he was a correctional officer for 10 years. How in the heck does that work out!? I will tell you all why, cause this agency does not care about the flying guys. It is a numbers game for the agency. They have so many flights that have to be filled and that is the bottom line.

As you can see I do not like it here but I am staying for the long haul. I will fly for the next 13 years, keep my mouth shut and do what I am told. It’s not the lack of motivation; it’s just that I really don’t care anymore. So think real hard before you come over here new guys and prepare to fly for ever. :mad:

[BarXone]

Intheair - Why would you stay with an agency you are not pleased with? You don't have interest in branching off into other agencies? Why not at least apply for some 1811's or look into one of the big three letter places? I'm not understanding why you'd stay other than for personal reasons you wouldn't discuss on this forum.

13 more years of not being satisfied is a lot longer than 13 years ;)

[justdoitking]

:mad:You are still new here and give it another year, about that time you will wish you never left the street. Forget about ever getting an atsac position due to the fact there are so many in front of you. Forget about getting a ground based job because we have very few. After seven years here I have gotten used to this agency crapping on me and I just don’t care anymore. I just come in, do my 9 hours and go home. I can care less what my atsac thinks about me and I know I will never get a promotion. You new guys will see that it does not matter what background you have but how much butt you kiss to get a leg up in this agency. We have guys with only 2 year degrees getting promotions and guys with master’s degrees who are still flying. My partner has a master’s degree in accounting, he was an 1811 for ten years and he still has not been promoted after flying 7 years. But they promoted a guy with no college degree and he was a correctional officer for 10 years. How in the heck does that work out!? I will tell you all why, cause this agency does not care about the flying guys. It is a numbers game for the agency. They have so many flights that have to be filled and that is the bottom line.

As you can see I do not like it here but I am staying for the long haul. I will fly for the next 13 years, keep my mouth shut and do what I am told. It’s not the lack of motivation; it’s just that I really don’t care anymore. So think real hard before you come over here new guys and prepare to fly for ever. :mad:

Just the FACTS of FAMS! and SS Regime that has carried over from 2002-2003.

[PigsdoFly]

Intheair - Why would you stay with an agency you are not pleased with? You don't have interest in branching off into other agencies? Why not at least apply for some 1811's or look into one of the big three letter places? I'm not understanding why you'd stay other than for personal reasons you wouldn't discuss on this forum.

13 more years of not being satisfied is a lot longer than 13 years ;)

Not one agency out there can match the pay... for starters.

[BarXone]

We all need the money, but there are definitely other agencies and positions that fare in comparison.. there are plenty 1811 slots (hell even local PD's in supervisory positions) making 6 figures

I guess to each their own

[dtown101]

Everyone in this world has there own opinion. for the people who are new to the job and ones who are trying to get on to FAMS why dont they come up with there own opinions about the job instead of hearing the same old crap. I think all the negativity coming from certain people on this forum is not needed on here. If you hate the job and you are only doing it for the money well thats fine...SHUT THE HELLO up then and be done with your comments on this forum. Im so sick and tired of hearing nothing but negative comments from the same people on here. Yall are the type who will never be happy whereever you go.....

[froggy]

This job needs people that want to be here, and I think you will find guys coming in do want to change the whiner culture. We need some more heroes, and less zero's like In The Air Cop.

[froggy]

It's the typical.... "Youre the new guy and you don't know ****" syndrome.

[froggy]

take the badge off your postings too, you dont deserve to wear it.
Im out

[dtown101]

It's the typical.... "Youre the new guy and you don't know ****" syndrome.

My thoughts as well....tired of hearing the BS

[Bearcat357]

We need some more heroes.

Hey Rambo.....give me a call when you actually make an arrest....and/or when you have more than 5 months on the job..... :rolleyes:

IntheAir has been on the job for over 7 years.....that's 6.5 more years than you .....so no one should have any issues with him telling the truth about your job....instead of trying to BS people that it's the greatest FLEO gig out there....

I rode two weeks ago with a pair of FAMS when I was doing a prisoner pick-up.... Too bad they aren't on here to tell me what they said about the job and their supervisors after working the FAMS gig for about 6 years apiece....

The job is what it is.....flying....flying...flying....and more flying....and putting up with BS from the USSS Mafia who are supervisors....

[Ceridwen]

FAMs can drink me under the table, I'll give them that much :)

[PigsdoFly]

instead of trying to BS people that it's the greatest FLEO gig out there....

Honestly it is the best job out there...;)

[Md094]

I stand by what I wrote about the job. I do see the inner politics and things that go on, but it does not bother me because I expected it. Every department I have worked for has had it and I have seen it happen at all the other departments my friends work at.

I do like the job, and I do not see there is anything wrong with saying it. I know there will be good days where I am very happy and bad days where I might wonder why I am here. But, as of right now I like the job and I have been treated fairly from my first interview until now.

Compared to what I was doing working on the street, this job is easy and the pay is good.

[Bearcat357]

Honestly it is the best job out there...;)

Once again thats a matter of opinion.....as I am sure there are folks on here that will say their particular agency is the best out there and they love their job.....But, if you or I (or anyone else) went to work for that agency...we might not like it....or even dispise it....

As I have stated before, every LEO job and Agency out there has its ups and downs......... Some folks love what they are doing....some folks just barely stand what they are doing.......while others are looking to flee.....


That's all I am trying to say. Don't feed folks with all kinds of hero stuff when it doesn't happens.....hell, it barely happens on the streets at most places... The job is what it is....flying...and more flying.... and if you get lucky you might get take a side tour at a stop....or hangout with buddies for a beer and a trip to the local strip club......

[PigsdoFly]

Once again thats a matter of opinion.....as I am sure there are folks on here that will say their particular agency is the best out there and they love their job.....But, if you or I (or anyone else) went to work for that agency...we might not like it....or even dispise it....

As I have stated before, every LEO job and Agency out there has its ups and downs......... Some folks love what they are doing....some folks just barely stand what they are doing.......while others are looking to flee.....


That's all I am trying to say. Don't feed folks with all kinds of hero stuff when it doesn't happens.....hell, it barely happens on the streets at most places... The job is what it is....flying...and more flying.... and if you get lucky you might get take a side tour at a stop....or hangout with buddies for a beer and a trip to the local strip club......

Good call.

[Md094]

Once again thats a matter of opinion.....as I am sure there are folks on here that will say their particular agency is the best out there and they love their job.....But, if you or I (or anyone else) went to work for that agency...we might not like it....or even dispise it....

As I have stated before, every LEO job and Agency out there has its ups and downs......... Some folks love what they are doing....some folks just barely stand what they are doing.......while others are looking to flee.....


That's all I am trying to say. Don't feed folks with all kinds of hero stuff when it doesn't happens.....hell, it barely happens on the streets at most places... The job is what it is....flying...and more flying.... and if you get lucky you might get take a side tour at a stop....or hangout with buddies for a beer and a trip to the local strip club......

Well said! Agree 100%.

[manstown]

I like coming to this forum because I can see some of the crap that people put on here. Froggy, sorry guy, but you are an idiot. Sorry, I just call it like I read it. In the air, has more knowledge about what's going on with that dump of an agency then you could fathom. One of the reasons I left the scare marshals was because people like you thinking you know everything. That's right, you think you know everything. People that deserve to be in the supervisor positions get bumped for jokes like you because they speak their peace about things that could make the agency better. But because they spoke before they were spoken too, they get the dicks smacked because they are seen as trouble makers. I went to the FAMS because I thought it would be a worth while place to go to and to escape the horrific department I was with. Little did I know that the grass was no where greener. Any agency that will come out and say FAMS first, family second, needs to have their heads checked. An agency that tries to write someone up because they left the gym to take a dump during FIT time needs to get their heads checked. An agency that threatens to throw an investigation on you for misuse of leave for taking 3 days off in a year to take care of your family needs to get their heads checked. And people that say flying FAMS that have the knowledge that in the air has should take the badge off their postings.....well you fit the the mold of a typical FAMS robot. If many of you enjoy the job, that's great, I wish you all the best of luck. Md094, I hope you get out of the job what you want. But to sit here and tell someone they don't deserve the badge......give me a break. That could be the dumbest damn thing I heard on this whole site. And there is a lot of stupid things said on here. And of all people to say it to, a person that has dedicated 7 years to the so called FAMS cause. You need to realize that people look at this job in different lights. And guess what? This is a public forum. In the air may be one of a few on here that speaks of the agency the way he does, but when I was there I can say that it is the norm for the hundreds, if not thousands, of FAMS I have flown with and/or met. I still talk to some buddies that haven't made the switch and they are all across the board with just how screwed up that agency is.

Sorry Pigs, I still think you're full of it! But you know where my anger comes from.

[justdoitking]

take the badge off your postings too, you dont deserve to wear it.
Im out

Dude you are a XXXX, IntheAir and others earned their badges before they lowered the standards to accommodate people like you. Show respect where respect is due! :mad:

People tell the truth as they see it, and it is not wrong, you need to understand the agency to understand why some are jaded, not because you want what they have. Be intellectual and not emotive when you make such comments.

[jchughes05]

I have 3 yrs LE experience and I will probably lose out to a former grocery bagger.

[PigsdoFly]

I like coming to this forum because I can see some of the crap that people put on here. Froggy, sorry guy, but you are an idiot. Sorry, I just call it like I read it. In the air, has more knowledge about what's going on with that dump of an agency then you could fathom. One of the reasons I left the scare marshals was because people like you thinking you know everything. That's right, you think you know everything. People that deserve to be in the supervisor positions get bumped for jokes like you because they speak their peace about things that could make the agency better. But because they spoke before they were spoken too, they get the dicks smacked because they are seen as trouble makers. I went to the FAMS because I thought it would be a worth while place to go to and to escape the horrific department I was with. Little did I know that the grass was no where greener. Any agency that will come out and say FAMS first, family second, needs to have their heads checked. An agency that tries to write someone up because they left the gym to take a dump during FIT time needs to get their heads checked. An agency that threatens to throw an investigation on you for misuse of leave for taking 3 days off in a year to take care of your family needs to get their heads checked. And people that say flying FAMS that have the knowledge that in the air has should take the badge off their postings.....well you fit the the mold of a typical FAMS robot. If many of you enjoy the job, that's great, I wish you all the best of luck. Md094, I hope you get out of the job what you want. But to sit here and tell someone they don't deserve the badge......give me a break. That could be the dumbest damn thing I heard on this whole site. And there is a lot of stupid things said on here. And of all people to say it to, a person that has dedicated 7 years to the so called FAMS cause. You need to realize that people look at this job in different lights. And guess what? This is a public forum. In the air may be one of a few on here that speaks of the agency the way he does, but when I was there I can say that it is the norm for the hundreds, if not thousands, of FAMS I have flown with and/or met. I still talk to some buddies that haven't made the switch and they are all across the board with just how screwed up that agency is.

Sorry Pigs, I still think you're full of it! But you know where my anger comes from.

I have to agree with on on alot of it. I know your story and you know stuff I had to put up with as well. Ohh I know where where your anger comes from and I take no offense. You know where Im at so I have to see things alittle different. You know what I'm waiting for, I check for updates everyday...:D

P.S. I love you man...

[PigsdoFly]

I have 3 yrs LE experience and I will probably lose out to a former grocery bagger.

Sad to say it but its probally true...

[PigsdoFly]

Its kind of funny that if you go back through the posts you will see people like myself, mans, intheair, and bearcat among others have posted how we reallly feel about the agency and what it is really like. I do make comments and posts about how much I "love" the job. Most of these are humorous with alot of sarcasim. In some aspects I really can't say how I feel cause of numerous reason, go out for a drink with me and we'll talk.

Although I resepct everyone that has taken job, and all the rookies on here new to flying probally do love it and will for another year or two, or until their transfer gets denied, or they get jammed up for calling out for family problems. I'm glad you all like it and I'm sure right now it is a step up from where you came from but the point is most of you use it for a stepping stone into other areas of Federal Law Enforcement plain and simple. I'm not knocking you for it, but don't come on here after a few months of flying telling a senior FAM that he doesn't deserve his badge. You have no idea the inner workings of this place yet. Then when you figure it out you jump ship. That is what really gets my goat and burns me up. I see rookies day in and day out saying that they only took the job to move on to something else after a few months. If any of you applicants feel this way don't take the job because you don't deserve it and your wasting our time.

I'll step down off the soap box now...

[Chiller]

Everyone in this world has there own opinion. for the people who are new to the job and ones who are trying to get on to FAMS why dont they come up with there own opinions about the job instead of hearing the same old crap. I think all the negativity coming from certain people on this forum is not needed on here. If you hate the job and you are only doing it for the money well thats fine...SHUT THE HELLO up then and be done with your comments on this forum. Im so sick and tired of hearing nothing but negative comments from the same people on here. Yall are the type who will never be happy whereever you go.....




Sounds like your former job huh....LOL

[GoldBadge]

Forget about ever getting an atsac position due to the fact there are so many in front of you.

A co-worker of mine was a FAM ATSAC, and he got the job straight from an outside agency (not moving up through the ranks in the FAMS).

My partner has a master’s degree in accounting, he was an 1811 for ten years and he still has not been promoted after flying 7 years. But they promoted a guy with no college degree and he was a correctional officer for 10 years.

I'm guessing that he was one of the thousands picked up during the mass hiring immediately after 9/11. I also guess he was one of the handful of BOP hires that didn't have an open criminal investigation at the time he was hired, but then again - I can be wrong. :rolleyes:

[INTHEAIRCOP]

take the badge off your postings too, you dont deserve to wear it.
Im out



Look dude, first off I am not upset at what you said because after close to 8 years here I have gotten used to comments like yours. I have been here since January 2002. I have been trough 3 directors and have seen all the growing pains. I have seen more then any of the new guys will because Director Quinn has left.

Here are a few examples of the FAM service screwing me.

I wanted to take off 25 days for the birth of my child. Under FMLA (family medical leave act) I could have taken up to 12 weeks for the birth of a child. Well my request was denied for 25 days of leave. I asked why and I was told that the field office had an internal policy that states that no employee can take more then 21 days off. I contacted a lawyer at FLEO and they told me that I would win the fight but that the FAM service will then black list me for the rest of my career. I then told my supervisor that under FMLA I could take off more then 21 days and he warned me that I was going to **** off a bunch of people. Well I lost and only took 21 days.

This January I was approached by a supervisor and was asked why I took 16 days of sick leave during 2008. I told him it was none of his business and that it was a little late to be asking why I took sick leave. He then raised his voice and I yelled back, “My damn sister died in June and I took off a week, my son had brain surgery in February and took 2 weeks and the rest of the days I was sick so get off my back”

One day my boss asked me why I max out on my puss ups, pull ups, sit ups but I walk the run. I told him; “If I run that run in 10 minutes, I don’t see another freaking dime.” He then said that I should try harder. I told him, “It’s not the lack of motivation; it’s just that I don’t care anymore. I have 4 supervisors Rick. Every time I screw up I have 4 different people coming up to me to tell me about it. That’s my only real motivation, not to be hassled and the fear of losing my job but you know what Rick, that only makes some one work just hard enough not to get fired.”

These idiots here have no clue.

I once called in sick for one day a few years back and was asked to get a doctors note. So I got one and took off 3 days just to get back at my boss. I mean come on! Some of these supervisors do not care about the every day flying FAM.

Why do I stay here? For a few reasons and those reasons I keep to myself. I have no applications out and plan on staying for a long time. I do not want to move for a new job. I just hope some day I can actually be happy here and I know that day is coming, and that day is the day I turn in my badge and gun!

Oh, one small note. I like working in the airports and flying. I just can’t stand going in to the office and seeing management.

[hiltonheadgolf]

One day my boss asked me why I max out on my puss ups, pull ups, sit ups but I walk the run. I told him; “If I run that run in 10 minutes, I don’t see another freaking dime.” He then said that I should try harder. I told him, “It’s not the lack of motivation; it’s just that I don’t care anymore. I have 4 supervisors Rick. Every time I screw up I have 4 different people coming up to me to tell me about it. That’s my only real motivation, not to be hassled and the fear of losing my job but you know what Rick, that only makes some one work just hard enough not to get fired.”


Office Space was just on this afternoon :D

[INTHEAIRCOP]

Office Space was just on this afternoon :D

I used it on my boss, Thank god he didnt watch that movie.

[hiltonheadgolf]

As long as he didn't tell you "I have people skills !"

[dtown101]

Look dude, first off I am not upset at what you said because after close to 8 years here I have gotten used to comments like yours. I have been here since January 2002. I have been trough 3 directors and have seen all the growing pains. I have seen more then any of the new guys will because Director Quinn has left.

Here are a few examples of the FAM service screwing me.

I wanted to take off 25 days for the birth of my child. Under FMLA (family medical leave act) I could have taken up to 12 weeks for the birth of a child. Well my request was denied for 25 days of leave. I asked why and I was told that the field office had an internal policy that states that no employee can take more then 21 days off. I contacted a lawyer at FLEO and they told me that I would win the fight but that the FAM service will then black list me for the rest of my career. I then told my supervisor that under FMLA I could take off more then 21 days and he warned me that I was going to **** off a bunch of people. Well I lost and only took 21 days.

This January I was approached by a supervisor and was asked why I took 16 days of sick leave during 2008. I told him it was none of his business and that it was a little late to be asking why I took sick leave. He then raised his voice and I yelled back, “My damn sister died in June and I took off a week, my son had brain surgery in February and took 2 weeks and the rest of the days I was sick so get off my back”

One day my boss asked me why I max out on my puss ups, pull ups, sit ups but I walk the run. I told him; “If I run that run in 10 minutes, I don’t see another freaking dime.” He then said that I should try harder. I told him, “It’s not the lack of motivation; it’s just that I don’t care anymore. I have 4 supervisors Rick. Every time I screw up I have 4 different people coming up to me to tell me about it. That’s my only real motivation, not to be hassled and the fear of losing my job but you know what Rick, that only makes some one work just hard enough not to get fired.”

These idiots here have no clue.

I once called in sick for one day a few years back and was asked to get a doctors note. So I got one and took off 3 days just to get back at my boss. I mean come on! Some of these supervisors do not care about the every day flying FAM.

Why do I stay here? For a few reasons and those reasons I keep to myself. I have no applications out and plan on staying for a long time. I do not want to move for a new job. I just hope some day I can actually be happy here and I know that day is coming, and that day is the day I turn in my badge and gun!

Oh, one small note. I like working in the airports and flying. I just can’t stand going in to the office and seeing management.

Your last statement about going to the office...i think that is 100% accross the board...

[justdoitking]

June 4, 2009 (WASHINGTON) – Today, the House of Representatives passed H.R. 2200, the Transportation Security Administration Authorization Act of 2009. The legislation is the first measure to pass the House that fully authorizes the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) since its establishment in 2001. The bill authorizes over $15.6 billion in appropriations to the TSA for FY 2010 and FY 2011. Specifically, the bill triples funding for surface transportation security, greatly improves general and commercial aviation security, and strengthens security training for our transportation workforce.

[Md094]

The most consistent pieces of advice I have received from day one is, "stay away from the office." It is good advice! ;)

[justdoitking]

Let's face it and I have spoken to a thousand or so FAMS Employees, and they all point to one malefactor as the problem. It is not the job, as it has the potential to be one of the best gigs going, it is the management that came from the Secret Service, most retired just before being given jobs in 2002-2003. My personal opinion it is a lack of their formal management education and having learned poor management style from poor managers in the service they worked and being promoted from a Good Ole Boy system.

During this very time period most have came from an administrative (management) job they gained pursuant to protection detail they served on with either Quinn, Byers or a few others had been the SAC or ASAC of the detail. Funny enough at this very time the problems that are festering in the FAMS came to a head in the Secret Service and case after case was filed in the EEOC, Federal Court and elsewhere.

Someone will draw the parallels soon, I am hoping Don Strange replaces Byers upon his retirement to bring a balance of management styles to the service. Look if you take the job know what the job is, not what you think it will be, as the change will take time to get it to have the same goodness when just 33 FAMS did the job.

But I agree, stay out of the office and away from those managers and cross the t's and dot the i's on all your paperwork. We need the new beginning Obama spoke about in his speech with the Service.

[Bearcat357]

I have spoken to a thousand or so FAMS Employees.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[justdoitking]

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

GOD Bless you, hope you soon get the job in the DC area you have been chasing!

[dtown101]

cleveland.....i actually see my wife and kids more since coming over to FAMS...So what some people say on here is just there opinions...i like to see the job for myself and not listen to what others have said about the job. I have to respect your position about your family. I guess with me im lucky and if i am away... my wife has an understanding. my previous leo position I was gone for long periods of time and yes it did suck but my wife knew what the job was all about and it was a sacrifice we made to make it work... SO....I guess its all about communicating with your spouse about the job before you even take the job....GOOD LUCK with you LE endevours

[manstown]

dtown,

I hate to break this to you pal, but it isn't opinion. It's fact. It's fact because these are all experiences we've had as FAMs. When I say the job sucked....yes, that is my opinion. But it's based off of the experiences I had when I was there. That is fact. I'm glad it's working in your favor, but our gripes are legitimate gripes because of what we went through. All I can say is that I wish I had whichever ATSAC you have, because I worked in the same FO as you. And when I was there, there were few there that didn't complain about the knuckleheads that were managing that FO. I still hear the horror stories from buddies that are looking to make a switch. So I know the place hasn't gotten better. Not sure how long you've been there, and I mean out of the academy, but after about 6 months there, I started seeing what everyone else was talking about. Again, glad it's working out, but just be careful.

[vincentvega]

anyway, back to the hiring process...

For everyone who has gone through the all day event: Panel interview, fitness assessment. Is it a guarantee that you take the PT test after the panel or is taking it an indicator that you passed the panel? What happens after the PT test. Is there another interview? Who usually conducts the panel interview? Is it a little more laid-back because of the other things you have to do that day? I hate those things!

[911fedz]

The ? is, if you had a panel they where suppose to tell you that you pass. Then you would have move on. First phone interview, panel interview, urine
test,SAC's blessing, PTA, fingerprint, then medical.

[dtown101]

anyway, back to the hiring process...

For everyone who has gone through the all day event: Panel interview, fitness assessment. Is it a guarantee that you take the PT test after the panel or is taking it an indicator that you passed the panel? What happens after the PT test. Is there another interview? Who usually conducts the panel interview? Is it a little more laid-back because of the other things you have to do that day? I hate those things!

if you had the panel and then did the pt ...think about it...if you didnt pass they wouldnt waste your time doing the pt....does that help....i think your panel consist of superman, spiderman, and wonder woman tough panel..lol

[josh.greenawalt]

finally get to take the online test since i had to wait to take it on my vacation to florida..hopefully wont miss any deadlines.
hopefully the federal employee thing is true that would be nice

[airisfine]

[QUOTE=manstown;1843986]dtown,

I hate to break this to you pal, but it isn't opinion. It's fact. It's fact because these are all experiences we've had as FAMs. When I say the job sucked....yes, that is my opinion. But it's based off of the experiences I had when I was there. That is fact. I'm glad it's working in your favor, but our gripes are legitimate gripes because of what we went through. All I can say is that I wish I had whichever ATSAC you have, because I worked in the same FO as you. And when I was there, there were few there that didn't complain about the knuckleheads that were managing that FO. I still hear the horror stories from buddies that are looking to make a switch. So I know the place hasn't gotten better. Not sure how long you've been there, and I mean out of the academy, but after about 6 months there, I started seeing what everyone else was talking about. Again, glad it's working out, but just be careful.[/QUOT
Nothing has changed

[INTHEAIRCOP]

Had a guy come in a week ago to take the PT test for the job and he is just about dead. He was about 100 yards from the finish line of the run and passed out. On the way back to the office he got real bad. Now the guy is not expected to live and is in a coma. The guy looked in shape and maxed out on all of the push ups, sit ups, and pull ups. Not sure what happened to him since yesterday. I think the guy was a TSA screener. Not making fun of the guy because it is sad that he got his chance to get on and then this happened to the guy. My prayers are with him and his family.

[dtown101]

Had a guy come in a week ago to take the PT test for the job and he is just about dead. He was about 100 yards from the finish line of the run and passed out. On the way back to the office he got real bad. Now the guy is not expected to live and is in a coma. The guy looked in shape and maxed out on all of the push ups, sit ups, and pull ups. Not sure what happened to him since yesterday. I think the guy was a TSA screener. Not making fun of the guy because it is sad that he got his chance to get on and then this happened to the guy. My prayers are with him and his family.


man that sucks....hope it turns out ok for the guy

[josh.greenawalt]

I remember doing a PT test for a local sheriffs office and I never hurt so much although I wasn't in shape. I barely made it to the finish line. We had to carry weights, a dummy, climb a small wall, and some other stuff that I can't recall. Didn't expect that for the PT. Being in shape not a problem anymore.

[Ceridwen]

Can FAMs fly for free while off duty like FAA Inspectors can?

[Bearcat357]

Can FAMs fly for free while off duty like FAA Inspectors can?

No.....

They can keep hotel miles but cannot keep Air miles....

[Ceridwen]

You'd think at least one airline would give you guys a cabin agreement for standby travel. Maybe its not allowed by your bosses.

[manstown]

Not all airlines like FAMs. I wish I had a dollar for every time a pilot ignored me or flight attendant acted like I ****ed in their cheerios. I'd have more money then the FAMS could ever pay. Some were cool, some were a-s-s-h-o-l-e-s!

[Ceridwen]

I've had FAMs oboard my flights a number of times and all except once they were really nice, invisible for the most part. I've only had one bad experience, but it was a dosey -- I almost kicked one off my plane once, which probably would have been probably a ton of paperwork.

[PigsdoFly]

I almost kicked one off my plane once, which probably would have been probably a ton of paperwork.

and a BIG fine.....

[PigsdoFly]

No.....

They can keep hotel miles but cannot keep Air miles....

You can also get airline miles for staying at specific hotels and and spilitng the reward, ex: 500 miles for each stay...

[Bearcat357]

You can also get airline miles for staying at specific hotels and and spilitng the reward, ex: 500 miles for each stay...

Good point. I was just going just based on flying....as that was one of the first questions I asked...."Dude, can you'all keep your flying miles?"

One of my knucklehead buddies has dropped all his hotels and is going with Holiday Inn....because they apparently have a better rewards package.... :D

[dtown101]

and a BIG fine.....

I second that...and NO the airline wouldnt have paid it...it would have come out of your pocket what is it now 10G

[Ceridwen]

and a BIG fine.....

Big fine for the FAM, potentially. Not for me. This particular fellow was not complying with my crewmember (FA)'s instructions and being disrespectful to my flight attendant.

Regardless of what job you may doing while you're seated there you're still a passenger as far as the regulations regarding obeying the instructions of a crewmember are concerned.

[Ceridwen]

Most of the hotels we stay at have gotten wise and don't even give us points.

[ButterChunk]

Big fine for the FAM, potentially. Not for me. This particular fellow was not complying with my crewmember (FA)'s instructions and being disrespectful to my flight attendant.

Regardless of what job you may doing while you're seated there you're still a passenger as far as the regulations regarding obeying the instructions of a crewmember are concerned.

Care to point out the FAR that mandates "obeying the instructions of a crewmember"? (I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's only with respect to smoking and seat belts on an aircraft. The pre-flight briefing has become so robotic that over time the crew has come to believe that phrase encompasses more. Take a gander at 14 CFR 121.571(a)(1)(i) & (iii) and see if that doesn't shed a little light on the meaning.)

Regardless, lets not confuse flight standards with security. They are not related and don't overlap. I wasn't there when you had your issue, but as a former TSI I can say that unless it was really over the top, your wallet or, additionally, your employer's wallet, would pay the price.

[PigsdoFly]

Big fine for the FAM, potentially. Not for me. This particular fellow was not complying with my crewmember (FA)'s instructions and being disrespectful to my flight attendant.

Regardless of what job you may doing while you're seated there you're still a passenger as far as the regulations regarding obeying the instructions of a crewmember are concerned.

Not trying to be a pr!ck but FAMS dont get fined. You can make a formal complaint to the service which will lead to an investiagtion, but it is against Federal regs to kick off a FAM. The Capt and Airline will get a proposed fine from the G and you can appeal and all that but you will get in big trouble. As always there are three sides to every story so I want to know how the FA treated the FAM as well.

[Md094]

Ticket/Gate agents (especially a certain airline I will not name) are the most frustrating part of the job so far. Normally, the FAs and pilots are very courteous.

[Bearcat357]

Ticket/Gate agents (especially a certain airline I will not name) are the most frustrating part of the job so far.

Errr...so you've had your Creds held up high in the air....so the 1000 people or so behind you know you are flying armed....as the stupid lady looks for a watermark or whatever she's trying to look at.....? :rolleyes:

[INTHEAIRCOP]

I never have a hard time with the flight crew because I am HOT! They always smile when I walk on and I just shake my money shaker and walk to my seat. LOL

I normaly crack a joke with them to make them happy. I tell them that there is a problem with the mirrow in the airplane bathroom. They ask what and I tell them that everytime I look into the mirrow there is a hot looking guy!

Use this and you will never have a problem with the flgith crew.

Also with the ticket or gate agents I always start off by asking how their day is and say how nice they look. It works every time. I have found out after close to 8 years here I have to kiss *** to keep off the radar with these airline people.

[Ceridwen]

Not trying to be a pr!ck but FAMS dont get fined. You can make a formal complaint to the service which will lead to an investiagtion, but it is against Federal regs to kick off a FAM. The Capt and Airline will get a proposed fine from the G and you can appeal and all that but you will get in big trouble. As always there are three sides to every story so I want to know how the FA treated the FAM as well.

I've never read that regulation, its not in the federal aviation regulations which I basically know by heart or any of the stuff I've read about FAMs. I'm not saying its not true, if it is true thanks for telling me -- instead of kicking the FAM off I would cancel the flight, ie kick myself and the crew off. Or find something broken with the airplane that requires maintenance.

I think this was an isolated incident, every other time on they've been great. And I trust that FA, had flown with her before.

Again, I was very surprised at this incident -- I don't know what the deal was, maybe he was just working too hard and 'done' but the way it was related to me seemed pretty aggregious. Let's put it this way, I got 2 calls and after the first one I was already driving back to the gate (thinking it was a regular pax), second one told me who it was and that it seemed to be resolved, so we did kind of a circle and lost our place in line. It didn't make any sense, really.. you guys must fly so much you could give the briefings as good as the flight attendants

[Ceridwen]

Care to point out the FAR that mandates "obeying the instructions of a crewmember"? (I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's only with respect to smoking and seat belts on an aircraft. The pre-flight briefing has become so robotic that over time the crew has come to believe that phrase encompasses more. Take a gander at 14 CFR 121.571(a)(1)(i) & (iii) and see if that doesn't shed a little light on the meaning.)

Regardless, lets not confuse flight standards with security. They are not related and don't overlap. I wasn't there when you had your issue, but as a former TSI I can say that unless it was really over the top, your wallet or, additionally, your employer's wallet, would pay the price.

Youre referring to the regulation regarding people to obey instructions (and posted placards) regarding smoking and seat belts.

Interference with a crewmember, 121.580. Disobeying a flight attendants instructions is interfering with her duties in the cabin. This is not my interpretation, either.

Keep in mind that the crew is going off not only the FARs but also the flight attendant has her flight attendant manual and our airline's general operations manual that is approved by the FAA and is in effect regulatory, so if a passenger is doing something that is prohibited during a phase of flight that we're in it in effect prevents the entire crew from continuing with our duties. The flight attendant can not continue until the cabin is in a state were take off is OK, I can not take off until I get the 'we're all good, lets go' from the A-line.


In any event, I am so tired of the airline industry.

[PHILLYFED]

Youre referring to the regulation regarding people to obey instructions (and posted placards) regarding smoking and seat belts.

Interference with a crewmember, 121.580. Disobeying a flight attendants instructions is interfering with her duties in the cabin. This is not my interpretation, either.

Keep in mind that the crew is going off not only the FARs but also the flight attendant has her flight attendant manual and our airline's general operations manual that is approved by the FAA and is in effect regulatory, so if a passenger is doing something that is prohibited during a phase of flight that we're in it in effect prevents the entire crew from continuing with our duties. The flight attendant can not continue until the cabin is in a state were take off is OK, I can not take off until I get the 'we're all good, lets go' from the A-line.


In any event, I am so tired of the airline industry.

Here U go Ceridwen, straight out of the E-CFR
Title 49: PART 1544.223

[Ceridwen]

thanks. good thing I didn't kick him off! I doubt it would ever happen again, but I'd have to just get the flight recrewed... or just sit there on the taxiway until he complied. Positioning and repositioning flights, didn't know you guys could hitch a ride on those. Thats interesting. Sometimes we don't have FAs on those flights, I wouldn't care but I wonder how that would work.

I get a lot more federal LEOs traveling armed than anything else. Lots and lots of USSS, for some reason. Once had a dept of agriculture LEO, and then once the sheriff of some place in LA. I wonder if the sheriff actually needed his piece, but as far as I am concerned the more the merrier.

[Md094]

Errr...so you've had your Creds held up high in the air....so the 1000 people or so behind you know you are flying armed....as the stupid lady looks for a watermark or whatever she's trying to look at.....? :rolleyes:

Yes, absolutely. I made the point of one day saying could you be kind and do that so obviously. The person smarted back, "I know how to do my job." :rolleyes: :eek:

[Ceridwen]

Gate agents are some of the most embittered people I've ever had the misfortune of coming across, falling close second to airline pilots at US Airways

[Bearcat357]

at US Airways

US Scare and SouthWorst are two Airlines I try to avoid at all costs..... ;)

[manstown]

I've had gate agents try to tell me I couldn't check in because my ticket had secondary screening on it and that I had to go through screening again. After showing her my creds for the 10th time and letting her know I was a FAM, at the time, she still insisted I couldn't board and had to go through screening.

As for the flight attendants and the captains, I've met some turds. Some could care less that you are a FAM. The best are the ones that told me they'll let me know if they need me. That's the captains. So my response would be, "okay, just wake me up when I'm needed."

[SD5326]

Big fine for the FAM, potentially. Not for me. This particular fellow was not complying with my crewmember (FA)'s instructions and being disrespectful to my flight attendant.

Regardless of what job you may doing while you're seated there you're still a passenger as far as the regulations regarding obeying the instructions of a crewmember are concerned.

Wrong.....That's BS. A disagreement or whatever you call it does not constitute the grounds for you to kick a FAM off your flight. Passengers completely ignore FA's instructions on a daily basis and nothing happens. CFR covers this and you and the airlines will be fined for it not the FAM. Trust me on this one....... I've seen it a few times. FAA Regs aren't the only ones out there you have to comply with brother.

[justdoitking]

Anyhow any news on the hiring of new FAMs? Is it true a temporary freeze has been put in place? Sounds like a lot of people finished the process and awaiting a Final Offer with an EOD. Hope it does not become like the AVUE days. Everyone finishes everything and then certain portions of the exam process expire and applicants have to start the process over again etc.

[Clevbrownies]

I work with guys that have came from BOP; You should show them some respect, because they have a job twice as hard as yours or mine and get paid half as much. That is what i am talking about you are an idiot!:mad:

[ButterChunk]

Youre referring to the regulation regarding people to obey instructions (and posted placards) regarding smoking and seat belts.

Interference with a crewmember, 121.580. Disobeying a flight attendants instructions is interfering with her duties in the cabin. This is not my interpretation, either.

Keep in mind that the crew is going off not only the FARs but also the flight attendant has her flight attendant manual and our airline's general operations manual that is approved by the FAA and is in effect regulatory, so if a passenger is doing something that is prohibited during a phase of flight that we're in it in effect prevents the entire crew from continuing with our duties. The flight attendant can not continue until the cabin is in a state were take off is OK, I can not take off until I get the 'we're all good, lets go' from the A-line.


In any event, I am so tired of the airline industry.

I'm aware of what I'm referring to -- and that's the extent of the regulatory hook for not "obeying instructions". Again, I wasn't there and unless you're going to get more specific, I can't comment directly.

The standard for an incident to rise to the level of "interference" is much higher than you might imagine, which, in a lot of cases, is unfortunate. Also, your company policy does not become regulatory by proxy and carries no weight in those terms. Indeed, much of part 121 would simply place the carrier on the hook for a passenger's bad behavior. I watch people blow off the flight attendants all day long -- some FAs even go so far as to just ignore the issues and let the pax do whatever.

The flip side to all of it is that we're supposed to all work together -- some days the crew keeps some commons sense about them and it's easy, other days it takes some tongue-biting to get through the day. Not to say that I haven't had partners that were jerks sometimes, though.

[Ceridwen]

GOMs (General Operation Manuals) and all company OpSpecs are regulatory. There are sections in company opspecs that in some cases differ from what is written in the FARs, for example my company has special procedures for some airports that the FARs say we cannot operate from, because we have approval in our opspecs it is permitted even though the FARs say it is not. If I don't operate the aircraft in accordance with those then not only would I be fired but then the FAA could come after me directly for certificate action (suspension, revocation of pilot certificates) or other violation action.

Most flight attendants aren't going to make a scene because someone put their cell phone into airplane mode and not 'OFF' like it specifies in her manual (or whatever dispute one could have, staying on phone while taxing, not putting your stuff completely under your seat, not having seat in full upright position, not having seatbelt sign on, standing up when the seatbelt sign is illuminated, etc etc) because 1) its picking nits most of the time and 2) they dont get paid enough (this is the main one.) I understand on the flight in question there was an FAA cabin safety inspector on board observing, which may have precipitated the FA's desire to be exactly by the book with no gray areas, which may have made her seem in the FAM's eyes to be a scotch bitchy, but the last thing any airline crewmember wants to hear is:

'Hello, I'm from the FAA.'

[ButterChunk]

GOMs (General Operation Manuals) and all company OpSpecs are regulatory. There are sections in company opspecs that in some cases differ from what is written in the FARs, for example my company has special procedures for some airports that the FARs say we cannot operate from, because we have approval in our opspecs it is permitted even though the FARs say it is not. If I don't operate the aircraft in accordance with those then not only would I be fired but then the FAA could come after me directly for certificate action (suspension, revocation of pilot certificates) or other violation action.

Most flight attendants aren't going to make a scene because someone put their cell phone into airplane mode and not 'OFF' like it specifies in her manual (or whatever dispute one could have, staying on phone while taxing, not putting your stuff completely under your seat, not having seat in full upright position, not having seatbelt sign on, standing up when the seatbelt sign is illuminated, etc etc) because 1) its picking nits most of the time and 2) they dont get paid enough (this is the main one.) I understand on the flight in question there was an FAA cabin safety inspector on board observing, which may have precipitated the FA's desire to be exactly by the book with no gray areas, which may have made her seem in the FAM's eyes to be a scotch bitchy, but the last thing any airline crewmember wants to hear is:

'Hello, I'm from the FAA.'

I'm no 121 guru -- my regulatory days are from the security side, but there's a small, important distinction that I think you're overlooking. Your company policies, ops manuals, etc., are merely the *way* in which your company is meeting the requirements laid out in Part 121, they are *not* regulatory in nature. Which is to say, an ALJ making a decision regarding a civil penalty case will concern himself/herself with the appropriate reference contained in the CFR. The exception to this is security based regulations. The reason is simply because of SSI. CFRs are public domain and, therefore, not the best place to put a bunch of specific security requirements. To circumvent this limitation, a full commercial aircraft operator must follow all security regulations contained in 49 CFR 1544 as a baseline, but, additionally, they must adopt and implement the AOSSP. The key here is implementation. It allows you to cite the *implementation* in the regs and then the specific security program failure. 14 CFR 121 manual requirements appear to focus on content and *not* implementation. Minimum implementation standards are contained in the regs themselves. Though I would be interested to hear a specific example regarding the airports you are prohibited from operating at in the FARs. (meaning airport + CFR reference)

'Nuff said on the other point -- if there was an FAA safety inspector on board, then I understand perfectly why the FA would want to stay out of the gray areas. And nobody likes someone giving them a hard time while they are under the microscope.

[dtown101]

why are we still talking about this crap..

[ButterChunk]

why are we still talking about this crap..

Good point. I'll shut my pie-hole. Back to the regularly scheduled programming.

[PHILLYFED]

Anybody here from the 09 announcement waiting for the final call after finishing all the phases including medical, fingerprints and SF-86??

[Supersonic527]

Anybody here from the 09 announcement waiting for the final call after finishing all the phases including medical, fingerprints and SF-86??

Ha. I haven't heard a peep from when I applied back in Feb.

[cop320]

I'm just waiting ona final offer and EOD.