Air Marshal Job Open !

[Bearcat357]

Can anyone tell me if they are currently taking applications?

Nope.....

If you go back through the thread, its posted in there somewhere when they stopped taking them...

And to answer your next question.....who knows when they will be opening it up again. They are still grabbing folks from the 2008 list.....and haven't started on the 2009 list apparently....

[PigsdoFly]

Can anyone tell me if they are currently taking applications? i dont care about loacation, i can move. is there a link with all the info? thanks!

Try back this Fall.

[PigsdoFly]

Nothing but love Pigs!!!!

Yeah I'll show you where to put your love.

[PigsdoFly]

Actually a Field office should be set up that covers three Airports, BWI, PHL and MDT (a valuable triangle) and IAD & DCA should be the responsibility of the WFO. Unfortunately the SS strong hold prevents this.

The 21 field offices previously refereed to, some have little to no strategical, operational or tactical value but was stood up based on some SS PPD Agents homes.

What? Ok I have to argue with you here and I'm really not trying to be a d!ck. A FO which covers BWI, PHL, and MDT? MDT is Harrisburg, and your telling me that triangle is valuable? On what grounds, that Harrisburg is a more strategic and tactical place? The reason being WFO has 3 airports is nothing to do with SS, its simply location, location, location(which is very strategical). I made a list for you...

Your proposal
BWI-MDT- 96 miles
MDT-PHL- 110 miles
PHL-BWI- 102 miles

Current...
DCA-IAD- 28 miles
IAD-BWI- 35 miles
BWI-DCA- 58 miles

Next your going to tell me that ILG-ABE-ACY is a valuable triangle.... jk:D

[bman72]

It is not from the 09 but the 08 posting, is that what you are saying?

08 posting

[bman72]

Nope.....

If you go back through the thread, its posted in there somewhere when they stopped taking them...

And to answer your next question.....who knows when they will be opening it up again. They are still grabbing folks from the 2008 list.....and haven't started on the 2009 list apparently....

..........yep, they are "back filling" I was told at my interview.

[bman72]

Yes, its laid back, not para-military at all but there are certain standards... no facial hair, must be groomed, sir or ma'am, tattoos need to be covered. I feel it is alittle too laid back, I don't think it should be like boot camp, marching in formation, or standing at position of attention but a tad more strict on certain things.

........ So they are still up on the "cover you tatt" issue. Your not going to have it covered on duty, so why at training? That "rule" doesn't make any sense. Back in 03, they had everyone working the checkpoints cover up the ink. Should have seen all the pretty blue and white sweat bands people were wearing...LMAO

[PigsdoFly]

........ So they are still up on the "cover you tatt" issue. Your not going to have it covered on duty, so why at training? That "rule" doesn't make any sense. Back in 03, they had everyone working the checkpoints cover up the ink. Should have seen all the pretty blue and white sweat bands people were wearing...LMAO

One word, Professionalism.

[justdoitking]

What? Ok I have to argue with you here and I'm really not trying to be a d!ck. A FO which covers BWI, PHL, and MDT? MDT is Harrisburg, and your telling me that triangle is valuable? On what grounds, that Harrisburg is a more strategic and tactical place? The reason being WFO has 3 airports is nothing to do with SS, its simply location, location, location(which is very strategical). I made a list for you...

Your proposal
BWI-MDT- 96 miles
MDT-PHL- 110 miles
PHL-BWI- 102 miles

Current...
DCA-IAD- 28 miles
IAD-BWI- 35 miles
BWI-DCA- 58 miles

Next your going to tell me that ILG-ABE-ACY is a valuable triangle.... jk:D

You are partly right, it is a little more to do than just the SS...., But if you are a FAM you may not have access to certain pieces of info, that directs what flights are mandated to be covered and what flights should be covered. Then you might understand why those 3 are important airports to cover together and why IAD and DCA should be in a grouping alone. It Cannot be much more specific than that in an unsecured arena. Do not just look at the airport but geographical surrondings and some other intel factors.

[Up_On_Base]

You are partly right, it is a little more to do than just the SS...., But if you are a FAM you may not have access to certain pieces of info, that directs what flights are mandated to be covered and what flights should be covered. Then you might understand why those 3 are important airports to cover together and why IAD and DCA should be in a grouping alone. It Cannot be much more specific than that in an unsecured arena. Do not just look at the airport but geographical surrondings and some other intel factors.

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[PigsdoFly]

But if you are a FAM you may not have access to certain pieces of info, that directs what flights are mandated to be covered and what flights should be covered. Then you might understand why those 3 are important airports to cover together and why IAD and DCA should be in a grouping alone. It Cannot be much more specific than that in an unsecured arena. Do not just look at the airport but geographical surrondings and some other intel factors.

If I am a FAM? Are you kidding me? I have been verified so thats done with. So if your with DHS or TSA or whatever you claim to be, I know one thing your not and thats a FAM so you don't know what info. I'm privy too and what I'm not. But I can assure you where I'm at, I'm in the know which means how it all works and why. You might not completely understand why this agency has been developed and why we go were we go. There are alot more factors that go into it then just surroundings. I'm not going to get into a ****ing contest with you, because the fact of the matter is I'm a FAM and your not. This thread is for FAM hiring, not proposed triangle flights and hot spots. But I do agree that nothing more should be discussed in an open forum.

[manstown]

If I am a FAM? Are you kidding me? I have been verified so thats done with. So if your with DHS or TSA or whatever you claim to be, I know one thing your not and thats a FAM so you don't know what info. I'm privy too and what I'm not. But I can assure you where I'm at, I'm in the know which means how it all works and why. You might not completely understand why this agency has been developed and why we go were we go. There are alot more factors that go into it then just surroundings. I'm not going to get into a ****ing contest with you, because the fact of the matter is I'm a FAM and your not. This thread is for FAM hiring, not proposed triangle flights and hot spots. But I do agree that nothing more should be discussed in an open forum.

Wait a second!!!!!! You're a FAM!? All this time I thought you played a FAM on the forums!

I can attest to Pigs being a FAM. Pretty sure we were in the same Squad together and even flown once or twice together. And I have to say that I agree with what he says. There's a ton more involved with FAM Service missions than the land marks surrounding an airport. Not to be a d-i-c-k justdoitking, but I don't see where you are going sometimes with your train of thought or think some of your statements make much sense. But that's just me.

[justdoitking]

If I am a FAM? Are you kidding me? I have been verified so thats done with. So if your with DHS or TSA or whatever you claim to be, I know one thing your not and thats a FAM so you don't know what info. I'm privy too and what I'm not. But I can assure you where I'm at, I'm in the know which means how it all works and why. You might not completely understand why this agency has been developed and why we go were we go. There are alot more factors that go into it then just surroundings. I'm not going to get into a ****ing contest with you, because the fact of the matter is I'm a FAM and your not. This thread is for FAM hiring, not proposed triangle flights and hot spots. But I do agree that nothing more should be discussed in an open forum.

No don''t take that the wrong way I know you are a 'Flying FAM (as you will agree sometimes the agency creates an intentional vacum of info)!

[DevilDog24]

Wait a second!!!!!! You're a FAM!? All this time I thought you played a FAM on the forums!

I'm not a FAM, but I did just stay at a Holiday Inn!!! :D

[dtown101]

If I am a FAM? Are you kidding me? I have been verified so thats done with. So if your with DHS or TSA or whatever you claim to be, I know one thing your not and thats a FAM so you don't know what info. I'm privy too and what I'm not. But I can assure you where I'm at, I'm in the know which means how it all works and why. You might not completely understand why this agency has been developed and why we go were we go. There are alot more factors that go into it then just surroundings. I'm not going to get into a ****ing contest with you, because the fact of the matter is I'm a FAM and your not. This thread is for FAM hiring, not proposed triangle flights and hot spots. But I do agree that nothing more should be discussed in an open forum.

I AGREE about this topic....PM if you have any more ?s

[BamaCounty]

I know they are working on my background packet. Just got a call to confirm something I put down. Very small detail. At least I know they are working on it. The odd thing is the number came up as Lockheed Martin.

[Bearcat357]

The odd thing is the number came up as Lockheed Martin.

LM does contract workfor the US Gov....including the new personnel system that the FAMS are using..... ;)

[paul354]

I know they are working on my background packet. Just got a call to confirm something I put down. Very small detail. At least I know they are working on it. The odd thing is the number came up as Lockheed Martin.

From the '09 Announcement?...I've been monitoring my credit report and have no new inquiries. Does anybody know if they make an actual inquiry on your credit report...OR do they use some super secret government system that doesn't get recorded as a credit inquiry?

[BamaCounty]

From the '09 Announcement?...I've been monitoring my credit report and have no new inquiries. Does anybody know if they make an actual inquiry on your credit report...OR do they use some super secret government system that doesn't get recorded as a credit inquiry?

Yes Paul from the 09 announcement that ended in Feb . Not sure what they do. Just cool that they are moving ahead.

[paul354]

It's great that they are starting now to work on the '09 announcement. I called the TSA Help Desk, they indicated that a new website is in progress where applicants can go to track their application status in detail. However according to the help desk, at this time its launch is unknown.

[Fedman 111]

I know they are working on my background packet. Just got a call to confirm something I put down. Very small detail. At least I know they are working on it. The odd thing is the number came up as Lockheed Martin.

Are you part of the 08 crowd?

[BamaCounty]

Part of the 09 crowd.

[Up_On_Base]

Random question

Are pre employment credit check held against your credit report?

Reason I ask, I had 2 in the last 5 months. My credit is pretty awesome (800ish) and we are looking at buying a new house.

Don't want multiple hits hurting my chances at a good loan.

Thanks

[PigsdoFly]

Does anybody know if they make an actual inquiry on your credit report?

It should show up, but who knows.

[PigsdoFly]

I know they are working on my background packet.

This will be the initial background for hiring and then you will get another for your TS.

[hiltonheadgolf]

Random question

Are pre employment credit check held against your credit report?

Reason I ask, I had 2 in the last 5 months. My credit is pretty awesome (800ish) and we are looking at buying a new house.

Don't want multiple hits hurting my chances at a good loan.

Thanks

Employment credit checks fall under "private viewing". They are not held against you since you are not trying to draw financial assets from it (ie...car, apt, credit card).

[BamaCounty]

This will be the initial background for hiring and then you will get another for your TS.

That what I kindof thought. Just was glad my paperwork moving forward, because somewhere in these post, I read where people had to reapply.

[Up_On_Base]

Employment credit checks fall under "private viewing". They are not held against you since you are not trying to draw financial assets from it (ie...car, apt, credit card).

Copy.

Thanks.

[PigsdoFly]

Wait a second!!!!!! You're a FAM!? All this time I thought you played a FAM on the forums!

I can attest to Pigs being a FAM. Pretty sure we were in the same Squad together and even flown once or twice together. And I have to say that I agree with what he says. There's a ton more involved with FAM Service missions than the land marks surrounding an airport. Not to be a d-i-c-k justdoitking, but I don't see where you are going sometimes with your train of thought or think some of your statements make much sense. But that's just me.

Much love.:D I miss the old the squad, especially RR.

[ayden0526]

I just got an email subsequent to a panel, SAC, drug test, and PTA.......they are asking for my transcripts.....anyone know how far along I am?

[manstown]

Much love.:D I miss the old the squad, especially RR.

Why would you bring that turd up!? I'm getting ready to go to bed and you have to bring that up! Damn you Pigs!

[SD5326]

RR

Why would you bring that turd up!? I'm getting ready to go to bed and you have to bring that up! Damn you Pigs!


I thought he was your boy??:eek::D

[manstown]

I thought he was your boy??:eek::D


So you know what we're talking about?! Since you do.....you know why it makes me cringe. Did we fly together? Shoot me a PM. And I will be the first to say that he is the furthest from my boy. One of the biggest reason I left. Next to the fact that I was offered the USMS job.

[jtmo25]

I just got an email subsequent to a panel, SAC, drug test, and PTA.......they are asking for my transcripts.....anyone know how far along I am?

Did you apply under the new announcement or the old one?

[paul354]

Any predictions on when calls will start going for '09 applicants. The last prediction I saw on the board was mid-march. Thanks.

[bman72]

Why would you bring that turd up!? I'm getting ready to go to bed and you have to bring that up! Damn you Pigs!
about 4 weeks behind the last group.

[paul354]

Here is a hypothetical:

FAM is my #1 choice. In the meantime I've also filled out apps for USSS, CBP and DEA.

CBP has scheduled me for the placement test later this month and I'm in the process of completing my applications for the other 2 agencies. Let's say I'm picked up by another agency and during that time I get "the call" after accepting another offer. Once hired do I have any contractual obligation to that department?

Is it known for people to leave mid-way if they get "the call" from their preferred agency?

[hiltonheadgolf]

Here is a hypothetical:

FAM is my #1 choice. In the meantime I've also filled out apps for USSS, CBP and DEA.

CBP has scheduled me for the placement test later this month and I'm in the process of completing my applications for the other 2 agencies. Let's say I'm picked up by another agency and during that time I get "the call" after accepting another offer. Once hired do I have any contractual obligation to that department?

Is it known for people to leave mid-way if they get "the call" from their preferred agency?


How come you would want to leave or turn down career agencies, for FAMS ?

[paul354]

How come you would want to leave or turn down career agencies, for FAMS ?

FAMs has been my "dream career" since I was a teenager. I feel strongly about their mission and purpose. Is there something maybe I don't know about FAMs that would make me want to go the other way?

[Bearcat357]

Is there something maybe I don't know about FAMs that would make me want to go the other way?

You really think your body can handle flying 20 years.....? Ask the guys on here now....they are sick all the time because of the element they are in..... 20 years of it will take a heavy toll......

And before you say something about Flight Crews/Pilots....thier schedule is nothing compaired to what yours will be as a FAM.....

Most folk that are FAMS do 3-5 years....maybe a few years more...then (as they are working as FAMS get their degrees or advanced degrees) move onto another agency where they will retire out of....such as ICE, USMS, ATFE, FBI, a nice IG spot, etc.....

[hiltonheadgolf]

Thanks Bearcat, that's where I was going with my question. I was in no way trying to knock FAMS. I too believe in their mission, and understand the multitude of what they do is endless. However, with the stress of so much flying it seems very unlikely that a person could make a full career of it.

[ayden0526]

Did you apply under the new announcement or the old one?

08 and 09. But they called me on the 08

[Up_On_Base]

Any predictions on when calls will start going for '09 applicants. The last prediction I saw on the board was mid-march. Thanks.

Was told people from 09 announcement will not get EOD until FY10. (Oct 09)

Just a FYI.

[paul354]

Was told people from 09 announcement will not get EOD until FY10. (Oct 09)

Just a FYI.

Thanks, This is helpful.

[911fedz]

paul354
If the FAMS offer you a positions take it. Follow your dreams my man. Yes the mission and the purpose is what is all about, pay is really GREAT. Get in when you can fly, fly fly then if you like to, transer to another agency or just try to move around within DHS.

[paul354]

paul354
If the FAMS offer you a positions take it. Follow your dreams my man. Yes the mission and the purpose is what is all about, pay is really GREAT. Get in when you can fly, fly fly then if you like to, transer to another agency or just try to move around within DHS.

Thanks 911fedz. Hopefully the '09 process will start soon and I'll have the opportunity to get what is truly my "dream job".

Also, Up_On_Base - is it confirmed that calls from the '09 post won't start till October, or is that your guess? When will we know qualification ratings based on answers and KSA?

Thanks again to everybody (especially current FAMs/DHS personnel) for your guidance in helping all of us who are stuck in 'pendingville'.

Have a great day!

[Up_On_Base]

Thanks 911fedz. Hopefully the '09 process will start soon and I'll have the opportunity to get what is truly my "dream job".

Also, Up_On_Base - is it confirmed that calls from the '09 post won't start till October, or is that your guess? When will we know qualification ratings based on answers and KSA?
!

Confirmed from my contact inside.

[Up_On_Base]

if you have a contact in the inside when are they going to call on the 08 posting ive done every thing so far sac interview pt test panel all that good shizzo

No idea bro.

Just told that most 09's will EOD in FY10

[justdoitking]

if you have a contact in the inside when are they going to call on the 08 posting, ive done everything so far sac interview pt test panel all that good shizzo

According to the AD (BB) TSA Human Capital is handling these matters and according to RAW at TSA these things are being deferred on to LM to handle with what appears to be oversight from both agencies.

Up on Base has provided what appears to be where things are up to with 09 applicants. As far as the 07/08 applicants anything is fair game now, AVUE has done no one any favors.

Have you done the medical exam? I would not be surprised, if you do not see a big change in some things around the FAMS..... especially recruiting/retention.

[airisfine]

if you do not see a big change in some things around the FAMS..... especially recruiting/retention.[/QUOTE]

What have you heard in regards to recruiting and retention? I have heard rumors in the FO and am wondering if you have heard the same.

[Md094]

AVUE is still causing problems. My wife applied under the 08 announcement and her application is not showing it was "withdrawn" if though she did not withdraw it. She called AVUE and they said since they do not have the contract to call someone else (not sure who/where this person was). This person said that they do not get any further updates from AVUE so her application still should be in FAMS system.

She had applied for another agency through AVUE and withdrew that application because she really wasn't qualified. After she withdrew that one, it showed her FAM app gone also even though she did not withdrawl it. Very frustrating though!

[justdoitking]

if you do not see a big change in some things around the FAMS..... especially recruiting/retention.

What have you heard in regard to recruiting and retention? I have heard rumors in the FO and am wondering if you have heard the same.[/QUOTE]

Without getting into it all, let's say believe half of what you hear in the FO maybe 3/4 depending on the FO you are at. Some truth to what I have heard out of several of the offices, but it has some spin on it. As other information has been limited to a very select group and some of those have allowed limited parts to leak out prematurely. When and if the recommendations are fully implemented things will be far better for the flying FAM and fairer for all.

[justdoitking]

HAPPY EASTER to All

[nvgonu]

AVUE is still causing problems. My wife applied under the 08 announcement and her application is not showing it was "withdrawn" if though she did not withdraw it. She called AVUE and they said since they do not have the contract to call someone else (not sure who/where this person was). This person said that they do not get any further updates from AVUE so her application still should be in FAMS system.

She had applied for another agency through AVUE and withdrew that application because she really wasn't qualified. After she withdrew that one, it showed her FAM app gone also even though she did not withdrawl it. Very frustrating though!

I applied under the 08 posting as well, submited it, got an email from FAMS saying I might all the minimum quals and will be contacted by phone in the future (never happened), about two months after applying get an email from FAMS saying that they are not hiring anymore and will keep my app on file for a hiring pool... Still nothing happens, I go to the AVUE site a month after that email and it says I never submitted the 08 app??? Go figure.

[PSA #1]

if you have a contact in the inside when are they going to call on the 08 posting ive done every thing so far sac interview pt test panel all that good shizzo

I'm in the same boat! Done with all but med. Informed my paperwork is in DC. Got a call and gave some info to DC about a month ago, but have not heard back! Are we still in the running, or is this the end of the road for "08"? Total time + 1 Year......If we are out of the running, will we get a thank you but no thank you letter?:confused:

[nvgonu]

So, I get an email about an hour ago telling me I need to send in my OF-306, TSA 2811/2812... I sent these forms back in January when I submitted my app, plus I faxed'em and any other documents just to make sure. I also called a week after that to make 110% sure they have it and I get a confirmation from a TSA helpdesk lady that they do have these forms and all other documents I sent in! What's going on over there?!?! I call TSA helpdesk today to straighten this out and the lady tells me that the documents are there, she can see'em, but advises I should fax'em in again just to play it safe. What's going on over there?!?! :confused:

[dtown101]

So, I get an email about an hour ago telling me I need to send in my OF-306, TSA 2811/2812... I sent these forms back in January when I submitted my app, plus I faxed'em and any other documents just to make sure. I also called a week after that to make 110% sure they have it and I get a confirmation from a TSA helpdesk lady that they do have these forms and all other documents I sent in! What's going on over there?!?! I call TSA helpdesk today to straighten this out and the lady tells me that the documents are there, she can see'em, but advises I should fax'em in again just to play it safe. What's going on over there?!?! :confused:

if they send you a email you to send info in ....send it again...even if you have sent it 1x, 2x, or even 3x ...been there done that...

[ciel75]

Got the same email requesting the forms I faxed in January. I even got a confirmation email after I faxed them.

[paul354]

hmm...I sent my fax in January. I guess they got it, b/c I didn't get asked for one today.

[Bear1005]

Last year I had to fax in my DD-214 and my transcripts 3 different times starting in September. So I know how you feel, but at least you know that you are still being considered. I ended up getting hired so maybe this is a very good sign for you guys!

[justdoitking]

if they send you a email you to send info in ....send it again...even if you have sent it 1x, 2x, or even 3x ...been there done that...

I agree, especially the way things go to the 'Black Hole' (Giant Shredder w/humor as I curently read an investigative file), and they never acknowledge receipt.... always set your email to request an open & read receipt or proof the transmission was successful for fax and definitely if posting return receipt.

[Lazer]

Last time I talked to them they said I would hear either way so yeah. However a our bid just got accepted for a house. I cant wait around forever for somthing that might not even happen Plus I got a job that pays just as well.



Got a call early last week from a 703 area code and she asked me if I was still interested in the job. That was it, that was the purpose of the call. Went through process last April 08 and reapplied this FEB 09.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

Lost another 4 FAMs this month. We have lost over (alot) percent of the FAMs that came on with me back in the day and they are not replacing them. Two guys going to 1811 jobs, one guy to CBP and the other guy to a better job in TSA. I have been here since 2001 and it seems we can not keep good guys here. I guess we are just a stepping stone for the feds. This agency spends way to much money on new hires and then they all take new jobs after 2 - 3 years. Just my 2 cents and I am staying here as a flying FAM untill the end.

[paul354]

There are plenty of us in "pendingville" who would love to take a FAM position.

[NousDefions794]

I am staying here as a flying FAM untill the end.Way to go. Keep up the good fight. ;)

[justdoitking]

Lost another 4 FAMs this month. We have lost over (alot) percent of the FAMs that came on with me back in the day, and they are not replacing them. Two guys going to 1811 jobs, one guy to CBP and the other guy to a better job in TSA. I have been here since 2001, and it seems we cannot keep good guys here. I guess we are just a stepping stone for the feds. This agency spends way to much money on new hires and then they all take new jobs after 2 - 3 years. Just my 2 cents and I am staying here as a flying FAM until the end.


Since the peak of numbers in 02 until Feb 09, compounded with OWCP cases FAMS has had over a 50% attrition rate of original FAMS. Not enough money in the budget to continue to hire/ train to replace that large of a number in 7 years, then you add the ongoing attrition that is happening. I know several that have recently left for 1811 under the CL Pay Schedule and went to FLETC in SC and would never think of looking back. As well as several going back to their old agencies for better pay and to look after their health.

I believe based on some information I am privileged to, in a few years times the FAMS will again be the job everyone will want, just like after 9/11. Unfortunately the legislation that is in the committee to convert back to GS has to get through first. Hopefully 2010 will be the turning point for things! http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-1881

Therefore, new recruits and old timers who stick it out will be in a unique position. It is not all doom and gloom but certainly has and will continue to serve as a launch pad for those just entering the Federal Workforce.

[Bearcat357]

Edited......to keep this flowing and will ask PigsDoFly to deal with the Non-FAMS on here running off at the mouth about stuff the have no clue about....

[Up_On_Base]

Lost another 4 FAMs this month. We have lost over (alot) percent of the FAMs that came on with me back in the day and they are not replacing them. Two guys going to 1811 jobs, one guy to CBP and the other guy to a better job in TSA. I have been here since 2001 and it seems we can not keep good guys here. I guess we are just a stepping stone for the feds. This agency spends way to much money on new hires and then they all take new jobs after 2 - 3 years. Just my 2 cents and I am staying here as a flying FAM untill the end.

****Edit****

Don't want to put any actual numbers out there.

[FCAP_2008]

I find it hard to believe that 20 a month leave. When are they going to start calling people again? Last year at this time all kinds of people were getting the call. I hope it is soon. :D

[Up_On_Base]

I find it hard to believe that 20 a month leave. When are they going to start calling people again? Last year at this time all kinds of people were getting the call. I hope it is soon. :D

I am sure some months is more and other less.

Most are probably not leaving LE, just going onto other LE spots in local/city/state/federal. Don't forget many FAMS were previous LE, after some flying time they miss traditional LE and go back or they make the 1811 jump.

FAMS having high turnover is nothing new, its a tough job on the body/family.

[manstown]

I know the day I left, six others were turning their resignation letters. That was in one day. Guess it was a good time to leave that hole of a place! I keep hearing about the horror stories still taking place in that agency.

[ciel75]

I was requested to resubmit three forms last week. The fair credit authorization form, the realase of info form and the declaration for federal employment form.I also noticed that on the TSA application manager that all the documents I submited last month such as the DD214, transcripts are now gone. Anyone else having any issues?

[paul354]

Up_On_Base - so with all these "people leaving FAMS" do you think they will put out calls soon. I'm not trying to be a @ss, I'm just a little anxious.

[Up_On_Base]

Up_On_Base - so with all these "people leaving FAMS" do you think they will put out calls soon. I'm not trying to be a @ss, I'm just a little anxious.

No idea.

I am not a FAM. One of my UD friends is there and knows some people at HQ and ACY. He is also in the process so that is where I get most of my dirt.

Its a strange process, some people fly others don't. If you do well in interviews and kill the PT you will move faster IMO. For 09 people the EOD should start this fall, it's really not that far off considering its mid April.

[SD5326]

I find it hard to believe that 20 a month leave. When are they going to start calling people again? Last year at this time all kinds of people were getting the call. I hope it is soon. :D

LOL!
Get used to it.

[BD380]

The Issue I have is that a US Federal goverment agency doesnt have there crap together as far as hireing, and HR go.

hahaha, you apparently haven't worked for the federal government before. Crappy HR is par for the course...

[justdoitking]

Up_On_Base - so with all these "people leaving FAMS" do you think they will put out calls soon. I'm not trying to be a @ss, I'm just a little anxious.

Only so much money and so much space at FLETC, and so many scheduled classes. Plus they send current FAMS back for some additional training (Remedial and non Remedial Type) to ACY & FLETC.

Pretty soon the PFT will be a major factor, you may want to view the web site of Fitforce and consider buying the Fit For Duty book, people in the know will understand this recommendation.

[justdoitking]

I know the day I left, six others were turning their resignation letters. That was in one day. Guess it was a good time to leave that hole of a place! I keep hearing about the horror stories still taking place in that agency.

I think we all will agree it is a result of the USSS, and if they understood either parts of the following quote, it would be a different place.

Management is doing things right; leadership is doing the right things.
Peter Drucker

However, if you are a new recruit it may be a launching pad for you to enter other services within the G and or an opportunity of some sort. Or may be a change of scenery for others.

The sad thing is people say they are not true and us that have worked in a FO know they are conceivable. Good to hear your enjoying the new Gig Manstown.

[500pearl]

According to the HR specialist, these emails started going out the past two days.

This letter concerns your application under Vacancy Announcement Number FAM-F09-F001 for employment as a Federal Air Marshal, SV-1801-G, with the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), Office of Law Enforcement/Federal Air Marshal Service (OLE/FAMS).

Congratulations. You have passed the initial portion of the Federal Air Marshal (FAM) assessment. At this point, we are making you a contingent offer of employment. This means that if you successfully pass the additional phases of the evaluation process, and if sufficient authorized positions and funding are available, you may be placed on a roster of eligible candidates from which FAM positions will be filled.

This letter is intended to explain this contingent offer. This is not a firm offer of employment; therefore, you should not make any changes in your residence or terminate any current employment unless or until you receive a definitive reporting date and reporting instructions. OLE/FAMS cannot make any promises at this time regarding whether you will receive a firm offer of employment in the future even if you successfully pass the remaining portions of the evaluation process.

If you accept this contingent offer of employment, you will be required to complete further assessment processes that include a criminal and credit check, a computer-based test, a panel interview, a physical training assessment, drug screening, fingerprints, and a pre-hire security background check. If you successfully complete and pass these assessment steps, you may then undergo a medical evaluation.

If you accept this contingent offer of employment, you will be contacted via email by the TSA Personnel Security Division (TSA PerSec) to initiate the pre-hire security background check. TSA PerSec will provide you with a link via email for submitting a Standard Form 86, Questionnaire for National Security Positions. In addition, if you successfully pass the criminal and credit check, you will be contacted via email to schedule the computer-based test. If you successfully pass the computer-based test, you will then be contacted regarding the remaining steps in the assessment process.

In addition to the remaining steps in the assessment process, you are reminded of several key requirements that were listed in the vacancy announcement. These include, but are not limited to, the requirement to:

� Obtain and/or maintain a Top Secret Security Clearance based on a favorably adjudicated comprehensive background investigation, to include a check of credit history and criminal record;
� Engage in moderate to arduous physical exertion, and meet and maintain medical requirements for law enforcement officers, including medical examinations and physical abilities assessments;
� Carry a firearm, maintain firearms proficiency, and use deadly force, if necessary;
� Meet the requirements of the Lautenberg Amendment, 18 U.S.C. � 922(g)(9), which automatically disqualifies anyone who has been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence from being appointed to this position;
� Successfully complete a rigorous law enforcement training program and participate in ongoing, strenuous quarterly training; and
� Travel constantly and be available for permanent or long-term temporary assignment in any U.S. or international location in which OLE/FAMS operates.

How to Respond:

Please let us know whether you accept or decline this contingent offer of employment by following the instructions below. Your response must be received by 11:59 p.m. Eastern Time on April 20, 2009. Please note that if you decline, or do not respond to this contingent offer of employment by 11:59 p.m. Eastern Time on April 20, 2009, your application for this position under this vacancy announcement will no longer be considered.

INSTRUCTIONS FOR ACCEPTING/DECLINING CONTINGENT OFFER OF EMPLOYMENT

[paul354]

I didn't get an e-mail? Is there still time? I thought I qualified based off the initial USA jobs listing (I have a BA, soon to be Masters etc.)

Congratz to those who did receive the office so far! Hopefully I'll join you soon.

[GuyinCali]

Is anyone else having issues finding the link for “Vacancy Questions”?

[jtmo25]

Is anyone else having issues finding the link for “Vacancy Questions”?

I was confused as well at first. Just follow the link they sent u in the e-mail. Then go to "apply". This will take u to the quickhire site where it will ask you if you want to accept the offer. :D

[PigsdoFly]

The Issue I have is that a US Federal goverment agency doesnt have there crap together as far as hireing, and HR go.

Easy, easy, easy, now that Lockheed has taken over it has gotten much better then before. Hiring takes a long time in the "G", one big issue is they just don't want to mass hire like before. As you have seen the atrition rate was very high but it has drop significantly probabally do to the economy. Just bide your time and hang in there, once you get into the "G" you will see every place is messed up in their ways.

[PigsdoFly]

Only so much money and so much space at FLETC, and so many scheduled classes. Plus they send current FAMS back for some additional training (Remedial and non Remedial Type) to ACY & FLETC.

The first part of this is correct but the sending of FAMS for additonal training in no way shape or form interferes with new hires.

Pretty soon the PFT will be a major factor, you may want to view the web site of Fitforce and consider buying the Fit For Duty book, people in the know will understand this recommendation.

The PFT has always been a major factor in hiring for a few years now, its the changes regarding how the PFT will effect actual FAMS that will be interesting. These are just steps management is putting in place because of the recent events at the end of last year.

[Bearcat357]

Thanks for the info Pigs....

[Up_On_Base]

What kind of changes are coming to the PFT?

More realistic or job related? The current format was identical to USSS in every way except we did pull ups 3rd, then the run.

[jtmo25]

Does anybody know where I can find the chart that breaks down the pt requirments by age/gender? Somebody posted it on here awhile back but I can seem to find it.

[Up_On_Base]

Does anybody know where I can find the chart that breaks down the pt requirments by age/gender? Somebody posted it on here awhile back but I can seem to find it.

You ask...you shall receive!

https://www.avuedigitalservices.com/pdf/OTD_Pre-Training_Guide.pdf

[justdoitking]

What kind of changes are coming to the PFT?

More realistic or job related? The current format was identical to USSS in every way except we did pull ups 3rd, then the run.

No one knows the current PT Standards have never been validated nor has a job analysis been completed to determine what the standards should be. This will all happen over the next few months. They have already selected a few sites to be the Guinea pigs.

This is why they could not be officially be used as a factor previously. but they do a lot of things unofficially, as Pigs indicated they use it as a major factor.

[Fedman 111]

According to the HR specialist, these emails started going out the past two days.

This letter concerns your application under Vacancy Announcement Number FAM-F09-F001 for employment as a Federal Air Marshal, SV-1801-G, with the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), Office of Law Enforcement/Federal Air Marshal Service (OLE/FAMS).

Congratulations. You have passed the initial portion of the Federal Air Marshal (FAM) assessment. At this point, we are making you a contingent offer of employment. This means that if you successfully pass the additional phases of the evaluation process, and if sufficient authorized positions and funding are available, you may be placed on a roster of eligible candidates from which FAM positions will be filled............


Did you just get this today?

[DeputyinSC]

I sure hope it didn't go to my junk e-mail folder. I always delete it without looking at them.:confused:

[Fedman 111]

According to the HR specialist, these emails started going out the past two days.

This letter concerns your application under Vacancy Announcement Number FAM-F09-F001 for employment as a Federal Air Marshal, SV-1801-G, with the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), Office of Law Enforcement/Federal Air Marshal Service (OLE/FAMS).

Congratulations. You have passed the initial portion of the Federal Air Marshal (FAM) assessment. At this point, we are making you a contingent offer of employment. This means that if you successfully pass the additional phases of the evaluation process, and if sufficient authorized positions and funding are available, you may be placed on a roster of eligible candidates from which FAM positions will be filled............


Did you just get this today?

[Bear1005]

To all the future candidates, stay up on your physical training! That is the biggest piece of advice I can give you. You really want to be in the excellent category, or as close to it as you can on all the events when you do it for prehire and when you get "the call". You will thank yourself when you get here!!!

Stay in shape and good luck.

[j-mac]

Just so you all know, the latest email only went out to internal candidates, accordingly to what I was told recently. Apparently there is quite a number of federal employees that have seniority for employment with the FAM and will receive first priority over external candidates. So, just because you did not receive the email does not mean that you are out of the running, it just means your application is not being processed yet.

[GuyinCali]

Just so you all know, the latest email only went out to internal candidates, accordingly to what I was told recently. Apparently there is quite a number of federal employees that have seniority for employment with the FAM and will receive first priority over external candidates. So, just because you did not receive the email does not mean that you are out of the running, it just means your application is not being processed yet.

I hope you are correct. I'm in Fed. LE and received this email this morning. FAM-F09-F001 Contingent Offer

Thanks for the info... Good Luck!

[paul354]

Just so you all know, the latest email only went out to internal candidates, accordingly to what I was told recently. Apparently there is quite a number of federal employees that have seniority for employment with the FAM and will receive first priority over external candidates. So, just because you did not receive the email does not mean that you are out of the running, it just means your application is not being processed yet.

phew...thanks for the update.

[500pearl]

Just so you all know, the latest email only went out to internal candidates, accordingly to what I was told recently. Apparently there is quite a number of federal employees that have seniority for employment with the FAM and will receive first priority over external candidates. So, just because you did not receive the email does not mean that you are out of the running, it just means your application is not being processed yet.

Not necessarily the case. I am not current internal DHS, FAM, or any Fed LE employee.

[justdoitking]

Not necessarily the case. I am not current internal DHS, FAM, or any Fed LE employee.

Are you a 5 or 10 point Veteran Preference Candidate?

[500pearl]

Are you a 5 or 10 point Veteran Preference Candidate?
No vet points.

[nvgonu]

No vet points.

Are currently working anything for the G?

[SemperFun]

500PEARL, what field office(s) did you apply for?

[500pearl]

SemperFun, I think the fact I chose NYC as my preferred location may the most significant reason for the offer email.

[j-mac]

Just so you all know, the latest email only went out to internal candidates, accordingly to what I was told recently. Apparently there is quite a number of federal employees that have seniority for employment with the FAM and will receive first priority over external candidates. So, just because you did not receive the email does not mean that you are out of the running, it just means your application is not being processed yet.

I probably should have added that I heard this from Human Resources, so draw your own conclusions, especially based on 500pearl's information.

[paul354]

Call the helpdesk j-mac. Let me know how you make out.

[j-mac]

Call the helpdesk j-mac. Let me know how you make out.

Information was from the help desk originally.

[500pearl]

Information was from the help desk originally.

It probably varies person to person, because the person I spoke with said there are more than one call centers. Maybe person A at center 1 says one thing while person B at center 2 says another. That may very well be the case, don't discredit that possibility. Nonetheless, calling doesn't hurt, have the operator see where your file is, if it's on a list, waiting to be placed on a list, or somewhere in between.

[justdoitking]

It probably varies person to person, because the person I spoke with said there are more than one call centers. Maybe person A at center 1 says one thing while person B at center 2 says another. That may very well be the case, don't discredit that possibility. Nonetheless, calling doesn't hurt, have the operator see where your file is, if it's on a list, waiting to be placed on a list, or somewhere in between.


From my experience and some of the things people posted here, that are credible, it sounds pretty much like the FAMS things vary widely from one Field Office to the other. Depends on who you talk to is the answer you get. Therefore get use to it, as it will be your life.

[BD380]

Just so you all know, the latest email only went out to internal candidates, accordingly to what I was told recently. Apparently there is quite a number of federal employees that have seniority for employment with the FAM and will receive first priority over external candidates. So, just because you did not receive the email does not mean that you are out of the running, it just means your application is not being processed yet.

I'm a current FLEO and I haven't even received the e-mail...

[911fedz]

Be patient guys the FAMS are hiring a large number of people so u will be getting that call. Just be prepared to go to the East Coast ........

[justdoitking]

Be patient guys the FAMS are hiring a large number of people so u will be getting that call. Just be prepared to go to the East Coast ........

What is a large number? 100-200, 200-400 or more. I think a large number is still probably small in percentage to the amount of applicants. Also, keep in mind it is G-Band pay.......

[justdoitking]

I sure hope it didn't go to my junk e-mail folder. I always delete it without looking at them.:confused:

Maybe someone could PM you directions, so you can check. As I understand it they may have already sent a second email out providing some directions, since a lot of people had some difficulties accessing their info. From talking to someone in the know, apparently the system does some Bio-data matching but they have to check other parts manually still and more emails are to come.

[FCAP_2008]

Do you have to be a great shooter to make it through training or will they help you get to be good enough. Are there some people who are unable to make it through the training.

[PigsdoFly]

What is a large number? 100-200, 200-400 or more. I think a large number is still probably small in percentage to the amount of applicants. Also, keep in mind it is G-Band pay.......

As we all talked bout this earlier, lets keep numbers out of this. But you are right what some may feel is a large number it is nothing compared to the amount of applicants.

[dtown101]

Do you have to be a great shooter to make it through training or will they help you get to be good enough. Are there some people who are unable to make it through the training.

you dont have to be a great shooter...they will help you be able to shoot better....and yes ...if you do not pass the required score you will be seperated from training

[dtown101]

As we all talked bout this earlier, lets keep numbers out of this. But you are right what some may feel is a large number it is nothing compared to the amount of applicants.


I heard the FAMS are going to hire a gazillion people....LOL...jk...sorry pig..

[FCAP_2008]

What is the eye requirement?

[dtown101]

What is the eye requirement?


not sure call the nearest field office

[PigsdoFly]

I heard the FAMS are going to hire a gazillion people....LOL...jk...sorry pig..


I heard a trillion gazillion....:D

[PigsdoFly]

Do you have to be a great shooter to make it through training or will they help you get to be good enough. Are there some people who are unable to make it through the training.

As dtown stated the FA guys will work with you get you where you need to be. Its found that people with little or no experience shooting are better to train because they lack bad habits. Just "passing" the minimum will get you through the academies but its unexceptable to many FAMs to just make it by. Your are and should be striving to score as high as possible. If you fail it once you won't be fired, you get a good amount of chances to make it, but by the time you make it to Phase II there shoud be no excuse at all.

[Up_On_Base]

What is the eye requirement?

Was told at medical, you need to be atleast 20/20 in one eye, and no worse than 20/40 in other

[Steve03xx]

Was told at medical, you need to be atleast 20/20 in one eye, and no worse than 20/40 in other

Is this corrected or uncorrected?

[Ali G]

Is this corrected or uncorrected?

Uncorrected.

Just kidding.

That is corrected. However, assuming things haven't changed, you can't be worse than 20/100 uncorrected as well. So, even if you are 20/20 with glasses, you also have to be 20/100 without them.

[Md094]

As dtown stated the FA guys will work with you get you where you need to be. Its found that people with little or no experience shooting are better to train because they lack bad habits. Just "passing" the minimum will get you through the academies but its unexceptable to many FAMs to just make it by. Your are and should be striving to score as high as possible. If you fail it once you won't be fired, you get a good amount of chances to make it, but by the time you make it to Phase II there shoud be no excuse at all.

This is very true based on what I have seen first hand. There are two very important things to focus on through the training and those are shooting and PT. As has also been said, PT is becoming even more and more important so make sure you get in shape and stay that way before training. Yes, they will help you get in shape through training but you need to be working on it significantly before you go.

[justdoitking]

I heard the FAMS are going to hire a gazillion people....LOL...jk...sorry pig..


I heard the same thing! LOL whats the rule if two people hear it than it must be true. ;)

[justdoitking]

Let no one be with out doubt the minimum is never good enough in a job like this.

Especially with a FA and if you are involved in a shooting incident, this was why the high original standards for the job existed. Insurance only covers so much liability if you make a mistake. If you are teachable the FA guys can get you to a pass stage and when you go back to ACY and the FO you will be able to maintain and enhance these skills and be expected to.

Plus the new physical standards will more closely reflect the job and be a true standard. Of course again the minimum will not be good enough, especially to get in with the quantity of applications!

[ciel75]

I am a current fed..still no email regarding the 09 application. Anybody else in the same boat?

[Up_On_Base]

I am a current fed..still no email regarding the 09 application. Anybody else in the same boat?

Hang tight.

I recall the last opening people on here were getting emails/calls to start the process...3 weeks later I got my call.

They have tons of applications and can't process everyone at once. I am sure it has nothing to do with being more qualified, that comes after PFT/Panel/etc.

My advice is smoke to panel/pt...you will move faster.

[paul354]

I am a current fed..still no email regarding the 09 application. Anybody else in the same boat?

I'm with you ciel75. I know of at least two others who are too. We are hanging tight.

[Navalaircrewman]

Just thought I'd say......
Hi!

[GuyinCali]

Naval, how you been? Loving it?

[dtown101]

a buddy of mine just got the call to start at the end of may and start in the june class....btw he was part of the old announcement

[Up_On_Base]

a buddy of mine just got the call to start at the end of may and start in the june class....btw he was part of the old announcement

Nice.

[Irishhammer]

Is the application process open again?

[dtown101]

Nice.

Accoring RP.net there have been some calls for EWR...so ****ed they would not let me go there and only offered WFO...time to start over:(

I know their thought process is, if you say no or try to bargin, there is a line of people behind you willing to go anywhere.

Good luck all.

Im telling ya ...call them back and see if they will give you another shot???? doesnt hurt to ask...

[dtown101]

Is the application process open again?

NO

[hiltonheadgolf]

Nice.

Accoring RP.net there have been some calls for EWR...so ****ed they would not let me go there and only offered WFO...time to start over:(

I know their thought process is, if you say no or try to bargin, there is a line of people behind you willing to go anywhere.

Good luck all.

So were you removed from the process ? I'm confused by what you're saying.

Also what is RP.net ?

[JD13]

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[justdoitking]

a buddy of mine just got the call to start at the end of may and start in the june class....btw he was part of the old announcement

Yes calls are going out for this class, from the old announcement!

[Up_On_Base]

So were you removed from the process ? I'm confused by what you're saying.

Also what is RP.net ?

Basically if you don't accept the offer and try to get better pay/location you will probably not get it.

It was take or leave it. Becuase of my situation at the time, it was better to walk away and wait for the next round. We dont want to stay in DC metro and if I accepted we were stuck here for another 3-5 years.

I spoke to HR and it looks like I have to wait, but who knows what will happen. I know other people who turned down the initial offer and were re-offered later on in the process.

RP = real police . net

[Lazer]

Basically if you don't accept the offer and try to get better pay/location you will probably not get it.

It was take or leave it. Becuase of my situation at the time, it was better to walk away and wait for the next round. We dont want to stay in DC metro and if I accepted we were stuck here for another 3-5 years.

I spoke to HR and it looks like I have to wait, but who knows what will happen. I know other people who turned down the initial offer and were re-offered later on in the process.

RP = real police . net



GOT THE CALL Thursday guys....been in this whole thing since AUGUST 2005. I am in shock, said YES of course.

[justdoitking]

GOT THE CALL Thursday guys....been in this whole thing since AUGUST 2005. I am in shock, said YES of course.

Good to hear some of the older applicants are getting picked up! Did you get offered a location listed in the 2009 announcement or other?

[INTHEAIRCOP]

GOT THE CALL Thursday guys....been in this whole thing since AUGUST 2005. I am in shock, said YES of course.

GOOD LUCK DUDE, SEE YOU SOON IN THE AIR !

[paul354]

anyone else get calls/e-mails from the 2009 announcement?

[500pearl]

hey paul patience my young friend. i'm pretty sure the people that received the contingent offers from the feb 09 announcement applied to in demand cities like NY and DC. did you select NY as your desired location?

[Esco]

People have already received offers from FEB 09 announcement???? if its true,That was quick.

[Up_On_Base]

People have already received offers from FEB 09 announcement???? if its true,That was quick.

I highly doubt that, maybe conditional offer of employment and they mean next to nothing.

A COE just gives the parent agency the authority to investigate and move you forward in process, nothing is set until final offer. I heard they are still backfilling with 08 and previous people.

[500pearl]

People have already received offers from FEB 09 announcement???? if its true,That was quick.

I received the contingent offer via email [feb 09 announcement] and it is by no means a final offer of employment. It clearly states the offer is contingent on available funds, an applicant successfully passing criminal/financial background, medical, panel interview, more testing, etc. Even then an applicant is still not guaranteed a position. My guess would be location was the determining factor whether an applicant [from feb 09 announcement] received the COE.

Hard to fill (also high in demand & high cost of living) locations such as NYC and DC probably have priority in moving along applicants.

[Esco]

Ok I will just play the waiting game, I hedged my bets and chose all the locations. I am only LLE, not federal.

[paul354]

hey paul patience my young friend. i'm pretty sure the people that received the contingent offers from the feb 09 announcement applied to in demand cities like NY and DC. did you select NY as your desired location?

I applied to them all (EWR/NYC/Washington/CHI/LAX/ATL...). Of course EWR would be my first choice since i live in NJ, but I'm extremely flexible.

[Statetriple]

Got the call WFO Starting next month. Applied under 2008 Annoc.

[justdoitking]

Got the call WFO Starting next month. Applied under 2008 Annoc.

Was that your 1st choice of offices?:eek:

[SD5326]

Got the call WFO Starting next month.

LOL!

[Fedman 111]

Got the call WFO Starting next month. Applied under 2008 Annoc.

I was in the April 08 group all I'm waiting on is the Medical screening, is that what you were waiting on also? Or did you do the medical? They told me that the medical was the last step before the hire on date call.

[bman72]

Anyone know what step in the process is after the Form 2812 is faxed?

[Statetriple]

I was in the April 08 group all I'm waiting on is the Medical screening, is that what you were waiting on also? Or did you do the medical? They told me that the medical was the last step before the hire on date call.

Yep I was called for it a few days ago!! I was also told that it is the last step.

[Statetriple]

Was that your 1st choice of offices?:eek:

Don't really care I am flexible I put all available offices.

[Statetriple]

LOL!



Elaborate why LOL????

[Lazer]

I was in the April 08 group all I'm waiting on is the Medical screening, is that what you were waiting on also? Or did you do the medical? They told me that the medical was the last step before the hire on date call.



Medical, sounds like that is it for us.....same here man!!!! We are almost there!

[FCAP_2008]

1. How much will it be for Insurance for me and my wife?
2. Can I expect to make 70,000 my first year in the NY Office?
3. Do they give you your schedule a month ahead of time or week by week?
4. Is the retirement good after 20 years? What percent do you get?

[manstown]

1. No one knows because it depends on the plan you choose.
2. Don't know either. Depends on many things.....RON's, internationals, Sunday premium, holiday's worked, night diff.....The million dollar question would be, "Can I live off of 70,000 a year in NY?"
3. I won't get into that.
4. Retirement after 20 years over the age of 50 or retirement after 25 years of service......And I think retirement starts at 30% or 33% of your highest paid 3 years. (I think it's one of the two). Then for every year after 20 or 25 it's 1%. I may not be explaining this one well enough.

[FCAP_2008]

Thanks, well I hope I make at least 70 because it will take that to live. I was just trying to get a round about figure on the insurance. I looked it up online and it said like 500 bucs a month. That seems like alot. I cant belive that the retirment is that little. With 30 years of service at my current job you would get 77% of your three highest years. I guess you just have to put in to a 401K or something.

[gonefishin]

Thanks, well I hope I make at least 70 because it will take that to live. I was just trying to get a round about figure on the insurance. I looked it up online and it said like 500 bucs a month. That seems like alot. I cant belive that the retirment is that little. With 30 years of service at my current job you would get 77% of your three highest years. I guess you just have to put in to a 401K or something.

That sounds high for medical insurance. I pay roughly $100 bi-weekly and that covers my whole family. The key to retirement is the TSP. Its basically like a 401-k and the G matches up to a certain percent.

[manstown]

Thanks, well I hope I make at least 70 because it will take that to live. I was just trying to get a round about figure on the insurance. I looked it up online and it said like 500 bucs a month. That seems like alot. I cant belive that the retirment is that little. With 30 years of service at my current job you would get 77% of your three highest years. I guess you just have to put in to a 401K or something.

Sorry you can't believe it, but that's about what it is. Now that's not all you'll have. You'll have the thrift savings plan, TSP. The G will match your contribution up to 5%. So if you put 5% in they will add 5%. If you put 15% in, they still put 5% in. But as far as retirement, it's 30% and another 1% each year past 20 or 25.

[Up_On_Base]

Sorry you can't believe it, but that's about what it is. Now that's not all you'll have. You'll have the thrift savings plan, TSP. The G will match your contribution up to 5%. So if you put 5% in they will add 5%. If you put 15% in, they still put 5% in. But as far as retirement, it's 30% and another 1% each year past 20 or 25.

Word is the Feds are looking to improve the LE retirement.

Not sure how true, but heard that from people at USSS-UD, USPP, and DEA.

On another topic, why is TSA still using pay banding and not GS?

[manstown]

Hopefully they do improve the retirement. That would be great if they could get that retirement a little higher.

As for TSA......I can only speculate on why the FAMS do it.

[dtown101]

Thanks, well I hope I make at least 70 because it will take that to live. I was just trying to get a round about figure on the insurance. I looked it up online and it said like 500 bucs a month. That seems like alot. I cant belive that the retirment is that little. With 30 years of service at my current job you would get 77% of your three highest years. I guess you just have to put in to a 401K or something.


are you looking up prices for the fed. health ins.????
Im with fedbcbs and i only pay just under 200 a month for a family plan

[SD5326]

Elaborate why LOL????


You'll see soon enough! LOL!

[500pearl]

Just received email to schedule the Federal Air Marshal Assessment Battery.

[paul354]

Just received email to schedule the Federal Air Marshal Assessment Battery.

congratz!...I'm still sitting on my hands here.

[500pearl]

Did you select only NYC or multiple cities? I only selected NYC [although there was a mobility agreement disclaimer].

[paul354]

Did you select only NYC or multiple cities? I only selected NYC [although there was a mobility agreement disclaimer].

I selected everything...maybe that was my problem, lol

[500pearl]

Paul, I highly doubt the fact that you selected all cities was a detrimental act. Patience, applicants are contacted in groups, your email may come Monday.

[justdoitking]

Word is the Feds are looking to improve the LE retirement.

Not sure how true, but heard that from people at USSS-UD, USPP, and DEA.

On another topic, why is TSA still using pay banding and not GS?

Waiting on a legislative change to revert back to GS in the works! It is the old FAA system and they did what they did when the agency started up.

[paul354]

Is the GS system better than the TSA pay banding? What are the differences other than the Letter vs # system?

[500pearl]

Is the GS system better than the TSA pay banding? What are the differences other than the Letter vs # system?

http://www.tsa.gov/join/careers/pay_scales.shtm

[JSAMP]

Good Evening

I just wanted to know if anyone out there could give any insite on what the on-line test it like/about?

Thanks in advance!

[dtown101]

Good Evening

I just wanted to know if anyone out there could give any insite on what the on-line test it like/about?

Thanks in advance!


never knew there was a on-line test....

[Up_On_Base]

Good Evening

I just wanted to know if anyone out there could give any insite on what the on-line test it like/about?

Thanks in advance!

CDA?

[JSAMP]

It is a computerized test proctored at a specific location. I just figured that it was on line.

Have a good one!

[Navalaircrewman]

Waiting on a legislative change to revert back to GS in the works! It is the old FAA system and they did what they did when the agency started up.

H.R. 1881:
111th CongressThis is a bill in the U.S. Congress originating in the House of Representatives ("H.R."). A bill must be passed by both the House and Senate and then be signed by the President before it becomes law.

2009-2010 Transportation Security Workforce Enhancement Act of 2009 [/B][/B]

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-1881

[Navalaircrewman]

Naval, how you been? Loving it?


Everything's going great..Yep, "lovin every minute of it"

[jchughes05]

I just started the process Feb '09 so I am REALLY at a standstill. lol

[Up_On_Base]

H.R. 1881:
111th CongressThis is a bill in the U.S. Congress originating in the House of Representatives ("H.R."). A bill must be passed by both the House and Senate and then be signed by the President before it becomes law.

2009-2010 Transportation Security Workforce Enhancement Act of 2009 [/B][/B]

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-1881

Good find.

There are some powerful co-sponsors on that bill.

Looks like on "covered" TSA people will convert to GS correct? So...what would this mean for someone hired in the G band?

[manstown]

Depends on which end of the G Band they brought you in on. If you put the two pay scales together you can probably get an idea. The high side of G could be equivalent to the higher end of GS 7 or mid range of GS 9.

[justdoitking]

Depends on which end of the G Band they brought you in on. If you put the two pay scales together you can probably get an idea. The high side of G could be equivalent to the higher end of GS 7 or mid range of GS 9.

Is it possible the FAM Management has limited this last job announcement to G Band only to allow the position to become a GS 7/9 position like DOD, VA, BOI and other police positions.

A transition of the service in progress........

[paul354]

2 Security Related Air Incidents (that I have read online) this week... #1 Continental flight EWR-LAS returned back to the airport with a passenger found with 2 army knives.

I'm sure there are several more that don't make the press, but I just wanted to share with those who don't read the papers.


here is # 2.

====================================

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30399672/

Passenger held after pounding on cockpit door
Delta diverts Israel-bound flight to Boston following mid-air drama

NBC News and news services
updated 12:28 p.m. ET, Sat., April 25, 2009

BOSTON - A Delta Air Lines flight from New York to Tel Aviv was diverted to Boston Friday after an unruly passenger rushed the cockpit.

NBC News reported that about five passengers and crew members grabbed and subdued an Israeli man after he ran to the front of the plane and pounded on the cockpit's door.

Officials identified the suspect as Atmor Itay, 22. NBC News reported that Itay was tied up with seatbelts before being taken into custody.

Anthony Black, a spokesman for Atlanta-based Delta Air Lines Inc., said Flight 86 had 206 passengers and 11 crew members aboard when it landed Friday night at Logan Airport. The plane had left New York about two hours earlier.

The passengers were held in Boston as investigators interviewed them and checked their luggage. No other flights were affected.

[justdoitking]

2 Security Related Air Incidents (that I have read online) this week... #1 Continental flight EWR-LAS returned to the airport with a passenger found with 2 army knives.

A bit misleading here;
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2009/04/flight_at_newark_airport_delay.html

However, this begs to ask the question, is more Air Marshals needed to increase flight coverage or is better screening and more secure flight decks along with armed pilots the solution when we look at layered security.

As, some studies indicate the amount of money spent on the FAM Program could be better spent on other layers of security. As one would presume two incidents and no mention of Air Marshals that none was on board two flights that had a potential high risk.

[paul354]

The LAS situation is probably due to a breach on the screaners. Then again...it's public knowladge that the airline presidents clubs, airport restruants and on board the plane first class passengers are given "real" silverware.

Re: the TLV...as a frequent leisure flyer of the NJ-TLV market I am surprised that flight was uncovered. Not sure if it's too early to say this...but I think the double locked secured cokpit doors served their purpose. Also, as you may or may no know, many newer aircraft are being equiped with CC-TV which is monitored from the flight deck. Not sure, but I would think with airlines implimenting WiFi on board there is probably technology created to feed back TV images back to the airline/dhs. --- if this does not exist yet let me know so I can secure a patent on the idea, LOL

Now the solution...Airlines should reduce their menues to Chicken Fingers and French Fries in first class (for those that still serve food). They should also pump extra oxygen into planes, simila to casinos to keep pax calm.

seriously though, as we've all said, the gov does everything for a reason (we hope).

[MPb2727]

Just received the email yesterday to "submit forms such and such..." Already sent them both in Feb '09. It seems the process goes in waves. Hang in there.

[500pearl]

Maybe they lost the forms you previously submitted. Either way it's a good indicator that your application is not lost, forgotten, misplaced, or disqualified. Whatever they want, fax it a million times if that is asked of you. Good luck and hope you will soon hear good news.

[MPb2727]

Yeah, I will send them again for sure. I mainly wanted to reassure the other guys/gals that the process is still in the very early stages. I'll fax these things every day if they ask...

[500pearl]

Which location did you select?

[MPb2727]

I submitted for NY/NJ.

[500pearl]

I selected NY only, sent in the same forms you did around end of feb. Scheduled to take the computer based exam.

[Statetriple]

If they ask for it fax it in I know I faxed in the same stuff at least 3 times through the whole process.

[kd6512]

I, as well this past Friday was contacted by HR to Fax over a few different forms that I submitted with my application when I first applied.

I figured they prob. do not share paper so if they needed another set or an extra copy, have at it...
I faxed over what they needed right away.

Applied for the Chicago Field Office and also the Washington DC Field Office.

[PigsdoFly]

"lovin every minute of it"

Sarcasim?

[Navalaircrewman]

Sarcasim?

Well, maybe not every minute...but I really do like the job!

[ciel75]

Just received the email with a conditional offer. Anyone get it recently? I was curious if I am a current FED will my background carry over or do they do a new one. Also, do I have to attend FLETC in Artesia if I completed FLETC in Georgia in 2007?

[JSAMP]

Any pointers on the computer based test?
After the test how long before the next step?

Any advise would be great

Thanks in advance.

[dtown101]

Just received the email with a conditional offer. Anyone get it recently? I was curious if I am a current FED will my background carry over or do they do a new one. Also, do I have to attend FLETC in Artesia if I completed FLETC in Georgia in 2007?

You will have to go through the whole training...NO MORE waivers...

[ciel75]

good..I actuallly would prefer going to artesia. I would feel like I missed out if I just showed up in AC without the FLETC Artesia training.

[2ndAnglico]

I was in the April 08 group all I'm waiting on is the Medical screening, is that what you were waiting on also? Or did you do the medical? They told me that the medical was the last step before the hire on date call.
what is the procedure after the panel interview? And how long is the wait for it to happen? I had the panel interview in mid march and I was just curious.

[jj71787]

when are the tests given are they random or are they once every year like some tests

[Fedman 111]

what is the procedure after the panel interview? And how long is the wait for it to happen? I had the panel interview in mid march and I was just curious.

2ndAnglico,

All my stuff was done in one day from test to ASAC interview. I came back in on the following weekend to do the PT test. I'm not sure how it's run now since AVUE isn't behind it all and they have the computer based test thing going now so who knows.

[Navalaircrewman]

Just received the email with a conditional offer. Anyone get it recently? I was curious if I am a current FED will my background carry over or do they do a new one. Also, do I have to attend FLETC in Artesia if I completed FLETC in Georgia in 2007?

Depending on how recent your BI was done at OPM, they can use it. Mine was used when I transfered, but just updated. I had an updated PR, not a full SSBI.

[cop320]

I was wondering the same thing. Just got my secret clearance March 09.

[nvgonu]

I got my COE this past Mon and to reply within a few days which I did. Just glad to finally see the process going somewhere... I was wondering also, I do not know if it is allowed to be discussed, but the computer based testing/FAMS assessment, is it like the CBP/BP written assessments for anyone who may have taken those and the FAMS assessment? Thanks.

[paul354]

...I'm still waiting fora COE...what did I do wrong?...but I'm patient. I figure I'll wait another week till I get my grades from last semester of Grad school and call the help desk so that we my profile gets updated.

[cop320]

I noticed that the announcement is hiring for G band. Promotion to H/I is not guaranteed. Why is this?

[paul354]

I noticed that the announcement is hiring for G band. Promotion to H/I is not guaranteed. Why is this?

They are probably trying to save as much money as possible.

[Up_On_Base]

They are probably trying to save as much money as possible.

What if you are hired off previous announcement?

That is the real question.

[justdoitking]

I noticed that the announcement is hiring for G band. Promotion to H/I is not guaranteed. Why is this?

FAMS will become GS soon and the translation will be over seen by OPM and many believe FAMS will become GS 7/9 (G Band equivalent) when this happens. Therefore, the decision has been made to not provide false hope, although progression has never really been automatic.;)

[copper02]

I started the process at the end of 2005, I have completed the panel interview, my physical agility test, the physical, and all necessary paperwork. Didn't hear much for a while, then last week had to fax the credit check paper, and some other form. Has anyone else experienced this?

[justdoitking]

I started the process at the end of 2005, I have completed the panel interview, my physical agility test, the physical, and all necessary paperwork. Didn't hear much for a while, then last week had to fax the credit check paper, and some other form. Has anyone else experienced this?

Have you applied under the 07 or 08 announcement?

If you are still interested I'd do what they ask without haste, as it is a good sign.

Others had been in a similar situation that I am aware of and have recently been sent off to FLETC.

[PSA #1]

I started the process at the end of 2005, I have completed the panel interview, my physical agility test, the physical, and all necessary paperwork. Didn't hear much for a while, then last week had to fax the credit check paper, and some other form. Has anyone else experienced this?

The way they do things or don't do things is bass-ackwards!!!! They lose papers you fax them, call for info that they have in front of them, etc. I started in '05 as well, and it seems every 2-8 months I take one step closer to "THE CALL". Three plus years is bull**** for any hiring process!! Either hire me, or don't. New announcements every year, but still hiring off old lists? I hope I get the call so I can turn it down!!!! Thank god I have a great job, and make more money than they will ever pay...I was going to take this job because I believe in what they do and other personal reasons, but have decided it's just not worth it!!! If this is the crap you deal with before your even hired, I can only imagine how the whole agency is run!!!! It also kills me how many people applied to this job as well as anything else out there.(ems, fire, desk clerk, screener, etc.) If your only applying for a paycheck, and this isn't the #1 place you want to be, GO AWAY!!!! Why clutter the whole hiring process. Again, I applied to this and this only, as I wanted to be here!
Don't mind me, just bitching!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[500pearl]

Maybe I rushed but just finished the computer based test 40 (not counting the 10 min break). Anyone know approximately how long after to hear from results? Next step is panel interview, correct?

[Up_On_Base]

Maybe I rushed but just finished the computer based test 40 (not counting the 10 min break). Anyone know approximately how long after to hear from results? Next step is panel interview, correct?

This process is different than previous.

For the last announcement, there was a computer based test but we took that the same day as PT/drug screen.

In that process it was phone, panel, PT/Drug/Computer, Equip/prints, medical, final offer.

[jtmo25]

Maybe I rushed but just finished the computer based test 40 (not counting the 10 min break). Anyone know approximately how long after to hear from results? Next step is panel interview, correct?

How many questions were on the test? I'll be taking mine on Monday.

[BravoSVO]

I received the email with the contigent offer on the 28th. When I click on the link in the email and sign into my USAjobs account and click "apply online" as instructed I get the page to upload my resume and/or additional forms. Am I supposed to do that all over again to be able to accept the contingent offer or what?

[CrzyAznJG]

Ok here's the million dollar question. Can any one provide info/link to any announcements for this position that I can either view or apply to? I applied for this many many eons ago when they first decided to create/expand this position, only to be told back then that they decided not to use that list. For the ones that are in the process good luck and for the ones that have been lucky enough to accept the position, congratulations. Thanks all!

[dtown101]

Ok here's the million dollar question. Can any one provide info/link to any announcements for this position that I can either view or apply to? I applied for this many many eons ago when they first decided to create/expand this position, only to be told back then that they decided not to use that list. For the ones that are in the process good luck and for the ones that have been lucky enough to accept the position, congratulations. Thanks all!


The announcement has been closed for a couple of months now...

[paul354]

I have yet to get any calls or e-mails. I called the HR Help Desk Today...The rep I spoke to there said that if I don't get a phone call back in 2 days to call back. I wonder what that means...

[500pearl]

Just received this via email:

Dear Applicant,

Thank you for applying to Vacancy Announcement FAM-F09-F001 for a Federal Air Marshal position. At this time, we are still reviewing applications, and you will be notified via e-mail of any further requirements for this vacancy.

Thank you for your continued interest in employment with TSA.



I'm clueless what this means, because I took the computer based on 5/2/09. What does this email mean, was it automatically generated and sent to me because I took the test or does it mean I passed the test? Who knows, who cares, patience is the key.

[2ndAnglico]

Have you had the panel interview prior to taking the computer based test?

[2ndAnglico]

Just received this via email:

Dear Applicant,

Thank you for applying to Vacancy Announcement FAM-F09-F001 for a Federal Air Marshal position. At this time, we are still reviewing applications, and you will be notified via e-mail of any further requirements for this vacancy.

Thank you for your continued interest in employment with TSA.



I'm clueless what this means, because I took the computer based on 5/2/09. What does this email mean, was it automatically generated and sent to me because I took the test or does it mean I passed the test? Who knows, who cares, patience is the key.
Have you had an panel interview prior to taking the computer based test?

[justdoitking]

Do not lose hope as calls are still going out to applicants from the old announcements. I believe at least 1 or 2 more classes are to be filled off those announcements, and it was said earlier in this thread hiring for the 09 announcement will not even start until the New Year.

No rhyme or reason why some things happen or how they make certain decisions, but it is happening.

[justdoitking]

Ok here's the million dollar question. Can any one provide info/link to any announcements for this position that I can either view or apply to? I applied for this many many eons ago when they first decided to create/expand this position, only to be told back then that they decided not to use that list. For the ones that are in the process good luck and for the ones that have been lucky enough to accept the position, congratulations. Thanks all!

I would recommend if you are interested you create an account and register at My USAJOBS for alerts when it opens.

https://my.usajobs.gov/login.aspx?redirect=https%3a%2f%2fmy.usajobs.gov%2 fhome.aspx%3fWT.svl%3dfootermy

Also, keep in mind if you are a Veteran meeting certain criteria you may still be eligible to apply contact the TSA Service Placement Coordinator and they will either assist you or refer you to the TSA Veterans Representative.

http://www.tsa.gov/join/careers/veterans_faqs.shtm#8

[nvgonu]

Just received this via email:

Dear Applicant,

Thank you for applying to Vacancy Announcement FAM-F09-F001 for a Federal Air Marshal position. At this time, we are still reviewing applications, and you will be notified via e-mail of any further requirements for this vacancy.

Thank you for your continued interest in employment with TSA.



I'm clueless what this means, because I took the computer based on 5/2/09. What does this email mean, was it automatically generated and sent to me because I took the test or does it mean I passed the test? Who knows, who cares, patience is the key.

Dude, I got the same email you pasted on here, but I got it before I got my COE... When I got that email I thought it meant, "thanks, for applying, but we'll keep you app on file." That is how I felt, but then I received my COE 7 days later.

[josh.greenawalt]

FAM-F09-F001 is the one I applied for and when I received my COE it now shows FAM-F09-F003.

[skigun75]

500pearl and nvgonu

I received the same email on 4/20. I have had no contact with anyone from FAMS expect my fairly frequent calls to the no-helpdesk. I applied to the 09 announcement. I assumed it was a shut up, sit down and wait email because I was calling the no-helpdesk too much.

Glad for you guys that are receiving offers and moving forward in the process. Keep us posted.

ski

[500pearl]

2/27 faxed in forms (5 minutes)
4/20 COE via email (1 minute)
5/02 computer test (40 minutes)

No direct contact with FAM or helpdesk, all correspondence was via email.
Ski, I may not pass the panel interview, so nothing's set in stone.

[skigun75]

Ski, I may not pass the panel interview, so nothing's set in stone.

I hear ya. But at least you are seeing forward progress. I hope to have that chance soon. Good luck at the panel.

[Nole96]

Hello everyone,

I had my PT, Panel, Drug Test and Fingerprinting all on the same day at my local FO back in March 09. I passed everything but haven't heard anything since, except a request to e-mail a copy of my SF-50 and college transcripts in early April.

I'm an applicant from the April 08 announcement. I never received a conditional offer nor did I take a written or online test that I can recall (I may have taken some sort of evaluation through AVUE, I can't remember).

Anyone else in the same boat? I suspect I have a CO but I don't have anything in writing. Does any of this seem odd or just the norm for FAMS? I've tried to get info. through the help-desk to no avail.

Any info is appreciated, Stay Safe!

[PSA #1]

Hello everyone,

I had my PT, Panel, Drug Test and Fingerprinting all on the same day at my local FO back in March 09. I passed everything but haven't heard anything since, except a request to e-mail a copy of my SF-50 and college transcripts in early April.

I'm an applicant from the April 08 announcement. I never received a conditional offer nor did I take a written or online test that I can recall (I may have taken some sort of evaluation through AVUE, I can't remember).

Anyone else in the same boat? I suspect I have a CO but I don't have anything in writing. Does any of this seem odd or just the norm for FAMS? I've tried to get info. through the help-desk to no avail.

Any info is appreciated, Stay Safe!

Same boat!! 08 announcement- finished all but med. My packet is in DC. and prob. lost on someones desk!!! No contact except to fax info I had already faxed 3 times!!!! I have given up...... The way they do things does not make any sense. If they are still hiring from an 08 pool of good people why a new announcement? (save money on pay as it is only G level?)
I gave up, but good luck to all on this never ending game!

[justdoitking]

Hello everyone,

I had my PT, Panel, Drug Test and Fingerprinting all on the same day at my local FO back in March 09. I passed everything but haven't heard anything since, except a request to e-mail a copy of my SF-50 and college transcripts in early April.

I'm an applicant from the April 08 announcement. I never received a conditional offer nor did I take a written or online test that I can recall (I may have taken some sort of evaluation through AVUE, I can't remember).

Anyone else in the same boat? I suspect I have a CO but I don't have anything in writing. Does any of this seem odd or just the norm for FAMS? I've tried to get info. through the help-desk to no avail.

Any info is appreciated, Stay Safe!

I would follow this up if you are still interested, as still a few more months before the EOD date for the next class that slots are available for and they are actively recruiting as of today based off information I received.

[Statetriple]

Guys/Gals

Sometimes it just takes time. I finished EVERYTHING including medical over 2.5 weeks ago and I know I am moving but still no final offer.

[ayden0526]

Hello everyone,

I had my PT, Panel, Drug Test and Fingerprinting all on the same day at my local FO back in March 09. I passed everything but haven't heard anything since, except a request to e-mail a copy of my SF-50 and college transcripts in early April.

I'm an applicant from the April 08 announcement. I never received a conditional offer nor did I take a written or online test that I can recall (I may have taken some sort of evaluation through AVUE, I can't remember).

Anyone else in the same boat? I suspect I have a CO but I don't have anything in writing. Does any of this seem odd or just the norm for FAMS? I've tried to get info. through the help-desk to no avail.

Any info is appreciated, Stay Safe!

My timeline is identical to yours, except I didnt get fingerprinted. I spoke to someone the other day, and this is the info that I got....this new system is busy compiling ALL applicants from the 08 and 09....all at the same time. supposedly, they are going to be very efficient in compiling the old announcments in....(i will believe it when i see it) the field offices are about to be flooded in a couple of weeks with applications (supposedly). the million dollar question here is will they push the 08's in before the 09's....with any luck in my little world, they will. Another question unanswered though was whether 08's would have to back track and take this new test. this is all ive gotten....oh yeah....i will say this....everybody that i have ever spoken to at the FO im being processed through says lockhead makes avue look like a complete joke....hopefully there is some truth to that.

Again...this is just the info I got...so smart A &%^$ remarks questioning my integrety are NOT welcome :)

[hiltonheadgolf]

Guys/Gals

Sometimes it just takes time. I finished EVERYTHING including medical over 2.5 weeks ago and I know I am moving but still no final offer.

Not to sound arrogant, but 2.5 weeks is nothing. There are people who have been in the process for a year or more and have everything completed as well. Someone said they just got the "call" recently and were part of the '05 announcement. Be prepared for a possible long wait.

[luv2spind]

Hey guys just hang in there, things will come when it does. I went throught the same thing but stayed positive. The process is long but well worth it at the end...I waited three years.......usually after your SF-50 and transcripts a called for around two to three months you could get a call.. this means that you boundle of papers meaning your packet has been sent to a reviewing board for hiring wich takes like two weeks but gets done. just be patient and it will come,,,,, I bit my nails down till it bled by thinking about this job, it controled my life for years but it was well worth the wait. My office is amazing......

[PigsdoFly]

Got word today, the old lists will be wiped clean and they will start hiring from new ones projected end of June.

[manstown]

Got word today, the old lists will be wiped clean and they will start hiring from new ones projected end of June.

And you say I'm the bearer of bad news!!??

[PSA #1]

Got word today, the old lists will be wiped clean and they will start hiring from new ones projected end of June.

So again I ask, why start a new list when the old has hundreds of good candidates? People off this new list will wait 2-3 years and at least another list before they get a call... I'll be 37 soon, and I'm still waiting on "THE CALL" from past lists they tied together.. I have given up! Many things in this whole process (that I can't discuss) don't make sense....

Again- Good luck to all and hang in, as it's a long ride!

[justdoitking]

Guys/Gals

Sometimes it just takes time. I finished EVERYTHING including medical over 2.5 weeks ago, and I know I am moving but still no final offer.

This is good news, FAMS is improving on the Human Capital side of things. Although to get this far it has caused many people grief and pain, but I would expect something in the next few weeks/months if you passed.If you hear nothing follow it up.

[justdoitking]

Got word today, the old lists will be wiped clean and they will start hiring from new ones projected end of June.

Áre you refering to 08 & 09 applicants as 'new ones'? Great discussion happening over this topic since originally they hoped to merge the two. Sounds as though a two tier recruiting process will take place.

[Statetriple]

hiltonheadgolf

been waiting for 17 months with no info was called sent to medical a couple weeks ago was told I am to start very soon but no offical word.

[hiltonheadgolf]

hiltonheadgolf

been waiting for 17 months with no info was called sent to medical a couple weeks ago was told I am to start very soon but no offical word.

Oh, well that makes a little more sense than. I thought you were saying that you had just done everything for the first time.

[PPD668]

When you get hired how long do you have to wait to transfer to another FO?

[manstown]

When you get hired how long do you have to wait to transfer to another FO?


It's 3 years until you can put in for a transfer. But that doesn't mean you'll get one. It depends on a couple things. One is if your FO is short, then they may you back. Two, the other FO has the openings. Three, If the other FO has the openings, how many people with more seniority put in for it. Four, no bad evals and so on and so on. Bank on 5 years at least.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

INTHEAIRCOP is still in the air! LGA is the bomb! I love New York amd Flushing New York is off the hook!