Air Marshal Job Open !

[JSAMP]

Dose anyone know how many FAM are going to be hired this time around?

[Navalaircrewman]

what's up BPD??

Great. I know we are hurting for people but this is not the right gig for someone fresh out of school. I wish they would do something with the hiring standards. Oh well, heading back to 3D.

[justdoitking]

I met 17 new hires today, 1 had law enforcement experience, 4 prior military, the rest college grads so it appears leo's and military are now in the minority that we hire,. good news right?

It sounds as some Leo's have knocked it back based on the money. However, surely if they apply Veterans Preference it can not be that imbalanced. Maybe thats just that one FO. Although another FO got 6 new Hires and apparently not much better. So thats 23 out of how many?

[airisfine]

It sounds as some Leo's have knocked it back based on the money. However, surely if they apply Veterans Preference it can not be that imbalanced. Maybe thats just that one FO. Although another FO got 6 new Hires and apparently not much better. So thats 23 out of how many?

340 for the fiscal year

[BPD Once]

what's up BPD??

Nada homey. Just hanging out between 34000 & 40000 feet. Besides that nothing at all.

[armyabn1]

What is the general pay level of a new hire in FAMS?

I have 12 years LEO/military experience and a college degree...but I am a GS13 and can't take a pay cut.....

[jchughes05]

I have 2.5yrs LEO exp so far.

[Ali G]

What is the general pay level of a new hire in FAMS?

I have 12 years LEO/military experience and a college degree...but I am a GS13 and can't take a pay cut.....

Just talking Base pay, the highest you would make is 60k per year. As a 13 step 1 , you would be 70k per year (base). This announcement is only bringing people in at the G-band (top of the G is 60K). You would still get LEAP and Locality added, but you would take about a 10k cut in base pay (if you are at 13 step 1, which you may be well above that).

[Bear1005]

I received the call today, and I am waiting for the medical next week. Anyone else get a call this week?

[LS1]

I'm in. :D

[paul354]

I received the call today, and I am waiting for the medical next week. Anyone else get a call this week?

Congratz, Which post did you get a call from? 2008 or the most recent 2009? That was quick.

[Bear1005]

Congratz, Which post did you get a call from? 2008 or the most recent 2009? That was quick.

Its from the 2008 announcement.

[Bear1005]

Good luck to everyone still in the process.

[airisfine]

What is the general pay level of a new hire in FAMS?

I have 12 years LEO/military experience and a college degree...but I am a GS13 and can't take a pay cut.....

My buddy got hired on when I did as a g band and was a 13 before he got hired. He took a small pay cut and they put him at the top of the g. Within a year he was making more then he was as a thirteen and within two years he was making well over what he was as a thirteen. If you can suck up a small pay cut initially, longterm it will work out to your advantage. When I mean small I mean 3-4 grand.which aint much on a pay check

[Ali G]

My buddy got hired on when I did as a g band and was a 13 before he got hired. He took a small pay cut and they put him at the top of the g. Within a year he was making more then he was as a thirteen and within two years he was making well over what he was as a thirteen. If you can suck up a small pay cut initially, longterm it will work out to your advantage. When I mean small I mean 3-4 grand.which aint much on a pay check

Air,

This is true... but has some draw backs. If he comes in top o the G, he would be at 60k base. Then, 8% raise when he hits H band puts him at 64,800 base. Then another 8% raise to the I band one year later puts him at 69, 984 base.

So, once he finally hits the I band, he will be making approximately the base pay of a 13 step one. But, then he is stuck there for damn near the rest of his career (unless our pay system changes). Your friend might have been confused because after 3 years with the FAMS he was making more than he did as a 13, but that was probably only because of the yearly cost of living raises added in. Does that make sense? You have to take into account what CURRENT 13s are making. Sure his is making more now than he did three years ago as a gs 13, but current gs 13s are making as much (probably more) AND they are guarenteed step raises every year, two years, and then three years.

Now, this guy will probably be making so much tax free travel pay that it will more than make up for the salary loss, but that doesn't go toward retirement and you still have to TRAVEL to make that travel pay. Always being gone takes a huge toll on the family life and your general health. I know you realize this as a current FAM.

I'm just saying, anyone who is a GS 13 step anything should really weigh things out if they are coming over to the FAMS. I'm not bashing the agency, but our pay system really has some drawbacks... currently.

[Ali G]

Disclaimer:

The salaries I posted above were only BASE pay.

A FAM making 60 K per year base in DC will actually be making 23.1% added for locality and then 25% for LEAP.

That comes out to 92K and some change per year. So, don't get all freaked out when you see me talking about 60k per year.

[justdoitking]

I'm in. :D


In what or where? ROFL How many new hires did your FO get?

[JSAMP]

Good Sunday to all:

I was just wondering if anyone has started to hiring process for the January posting? If so what steps have been completed?

I have only been prompted via e-mail to fax off a couple of documents prior to the 9th of March.

Thanks for the information in advance!

[paul354]

I think I heard somebody say that the next group of e-mails will start going out mid-march. Additionally, I have heard that they are no longer conducting 'phone interviews'. Looks like "the call" will now be "the e-mail".

[JSAMP]

paul354

Thanks for the information!

Anybody else who might have some insight?

[dtown101]

Disclaimer:

The salaries I posted above were only BASE pay.

A FAM making 60 K per year base in DC will actually be making 23.1% added for locality and then 25% for LEAP.

That comes out to 92K and some change per year. So, don't get all freaked out when you see me talking about 60k per year.

FYI....I wouldnt count on a base of 60K and then 25% LEAP ...unless you have current fed govt exp......if you dont have current fed then dont count on it...

[justdoitking]

FYI....I wouldnt count on a base of 60K and then 25% LEAP ...unless you have current fed govt exp......if you dont have current fed then dont count on it...

I would expect promotion announcements to H & I, like they do J.... hence they only advertised positions as G unlike before. You may be able to expect a few in band increases in the G Band if you are lucky. Especially now they have to pay OT as TSA Human Capital will tighten the purse strings. Do not base things on the past, as things will change rapidly in the next few years with the agency.

[Ali G]

FYI....I wouldnt count on a base of 60K and then 25% LEAP ...unless you have current fed govt exp......if you dont have current fed then dont count on it...

Werd. The only reason I used 60k as a reference was because a person was asking about getting his pay matched at GS-13. The post immediately above the one you saw had a breakdown of the way it would work for a person who is currently a GS 13. Yeah, the only reason a person would expect to get top of the G band (60k base) to start would probably be if they are a GS 13 currently.

[dubb18]

I think I heard somebody say that the next group of e-mails will start going out mid-march. Additionally, I have heard that they are no longer conducting 'phone interviews'. Looks like "the call" will now be "the e-mail".

When you say the next group of emails; what type of email would that be? I know some people who haven't received the email saying "if you still wish to continue in the process fax these documents" guess they didn't get lucky like some of us.

[911fedz]

So some people did not recieve the e-mail to fax the extra three forms. I thought everybody recieve that e-mail....

[911fedz]

How much do you think the FAMS should offer you to work in the high price area, like NY, DC, LA what you think that starting salary should be.. over what? now that bringing everybody on the G level ........to live in those cities......

[dubb18]

How much do you think the FAMS should offer you to work in the high price area, like NY, DC, LA what you think that starting salary should be.. over what? now that bringing everybody on the G level ........to live in those cities......
Yea! Few of my buddies did not get that email.

[Ali G]

How much do you think the FAMS should offer you to work in the high price area, like NY, DC, LA what you think that starting salary should be.. over what? now that bringing everybody on the G level ........to live in those cities......

The thing about the G is that they think the locality payment makes up for the cost of living. So, typically, they don't really take into consideration the fact that you will be in LA or NY or DC. They figure the locality payment makes up for it. Typically, your experience/rating will determine your base pay. However, it really seems like they are bringing people in at the lower levels like bottom or middle G band. They have so many applicants that it is really hard to argue for more money.

So, bottom line: they aren't really considering the cost of living when they make you an offer because that is what you get locality pay for.

[JSAMP]

Anybody know what the physical agility test requirements are? I already know what events are in the test however, I would like to know the scoring procedures for somebody in there 30's?

[JSAMP]

All of the posts about pay are very informative. Very interesting stuff.

[dtown101]

Anybody know what the physical agility test requirements are? I already know what events are in the test however, I would like to know the scoring procedures for somebody in there 30's?
31 and above for a male

pullups 10 excellent
Sit ups 43 excellent
pushups 49 excellent ?
run 10:46 excellent

[JD13]

Ok, I thought I was clear about the process & steps, but after reading the recent posts, I'm confused now.

I applied, and sent everything I was told was necessary. Then, I was told to just wait for the next email (after the one that I received confirming receipt of the app. & docs), and online assessment test. I am under the impression that mid-March will be the earliest to expect this next email (or phone call, if they do decide to make phone calls).

I doubt I'm out of the running based on my app. etc., so I believe my impression remains correct (that everything's fine so far), although I've heard nothing since the confirmation email.

I know some people hear things "out of the schedule", and some people needed to complete the sending of required documents. But, can anyone confirm or deny my belief that my experience is "as to be expected" so far? :confused:

Thanks again!!

[paul354]

Is the pt chart published online?

[Bear1005]

For everyone wanting to know the standards for the PT go to page 223 of this forum and find Md094's post at the bottom of the page. He scanned the PTA chart there.

[Ali G]

For everyone wanting to know the standards for the PT go to page 223 of this forum and find Md094's post at the bottom of the page. He scanned the PTA chart there.

Oh man! That dude is in so much trouble. Those PFT charts are straight SSI yo! Can't post em on here!

[TheKansan]

I have attached the QFA Standards for the FAMS. I hope this helps all of those who have questions. ;)

I do not have a website where I can post the .PDFs.

Thanks.

[justdoitking]

Oh man! That dude is in so much trouble. Those PFT charts are straight SSI yo! Can't post em on here!

This is not SSI, nor is a FAMS name (singular not a list) etc., Ali please stop the hype..... As you and I know all SSI must be marked as such as per the recent guidance you and every other FAM received.

[airisfine]

Air,

This is true... but has some draw backs. If he comes in top o the G, he would be at 60k base. Then, 8% raise when he hits H band puts him at 64,800 base. Then another 8% raise to the I band one year later puts him at 69, 984 base.

So, once he finally hits the I band, he will be making approximately the base pay of a 13 step one. But, then he is stuck there for damn near the rest of his career (unless our pay system changes). Your friend might have been confused because after 3 years with the FAMS he was making more than he did as a 13, but that was probably only because of the yearly cost of living raises added in. Does that make sense? You have to take into account what CURRENT 13s are making. Sure his is making more now than he did three years ago as a gs 13, but current gs 13s are making as much (probably more) AND they are guarenteed step raises every year, two years, and then three years.

Now, this guy will probably be making so much tax free travel pay that it will more than make up for the salary loss, but that doesn't go toward retirement and you still have to TRAVEL to make that travel pay. Always being gone takes a huge toll on the family life and your general health. I know you realize this as a current FAM.

I'm just saying, anyone who is a GS 13 step anything should really weigh things out if they are coming over to the FAMS. I'm not bashing the agency, but our pay system really has some drawbacks... currently.

My buddy said he was making 93k as a thirteen and of course I took him at his word. Maybe he was like most in law enforcement and never ruined a good story with the truth. I stand corrected. I would not lose that kind of money. It used to be they would match your pay if you were an 1811 back when they hired for g-h-i-, I would call human resources and see if there was an exception. It would seem they would pay for the experience. They only use 1811 for JTTF around here so they still need them. Oh yeah, I saw a TL making calls yesterday. He only got a response from 12 out of fourty so he was calling them again. Guys, if your apps in check you messages!!!

[dtown101]

Oh man! That dude is in so much trouble. Those PFT charts are straight SSI yo! Can't post em on here!

giving out PT scores SSI ???? dude relax paper has to be marked SSI ....dont think PT scores would fall under that...

[Statetriple]

This Forum is going to be shut down again if we start down the road of

that's SSI no it isn't YES it is!!!


It's just PT SCORES its PUSHUPS AND SITUPS Get REAL!!!!!!

[hiltonheadgolf]

Hey folks. I've been following your forums for some time now, and there really has been a lot of good info. Couple things maybe the current FAMs could answer: 1.) I heard they were running 6 classes this year, all people from the '08 list. 2.) After these classes are completed they will not run another class for about 18-24 months. Can someone shed any light as to whether their is any truth to that ? Thanks.

[JSAMP]

My buddy said he was making 93k as a thirteen and of course I took him at his word. Maybe he was like most in law enforcement and never ruined a good story with the truth. I stand corrected. I would not lose that kind of money. It used to be they would match your pay if you were an 1811 back when they hired for g-h-i-, I would call human resources and see if there was an exception. It would seem they would pay for the experience. They only use 1811 for JTTF around here so they still need them. Oh yeah, I saw a TL making calls yesterday. He only got a response from 12 out of fourty so he was calling them again. Guys, if your apps in check you messages!!!

Are they calling from previous batch of applications or from the new posting in January?

[Nomadic1]

giving out PT scores SSI ???? dude relax paper has to be marked SSI ....dont think PT scores would fall under that...

It seems pretty obvious to me that he was joking...
As for the guy who "had his cover blown" by the View... who watches that? And it's a pretty common name. It's not as bad as having your picture put on TSA.gov
Horrible cover story, though.

[JD13]

About the View.. who cares. Who knows what could be a lie. Maybe the guy was a loser posing as a FAM to get the photo, maybe he's a desk man already, maybe he actually did screw up. Who knows/who cares. They'll handle it if they need to.

Real News:
I called the help desk yesterday because I wanted to verify some things. I still have no idea what is going on in there, and there's a LOT of conflicting information. However, they told me that there's been a hiring freeze for the FAMS since January!! Supposedly, all applicants are applying and entering a hiring pool for when they're ready. That's just what I heard from TSA. Anyone else hear about a hiring freeze?

[TheKansan]

Real News:
I called the help desk yesterday because I wanted to verify some things. I still have no idea what is going on in there, and there's a LOT of conflicting information. However, they told me that there's been a hiring freeze for the FAMS since January!! Supposedly, all applicants are applying and entering a hiring pool for when they're ready. That's just what I heard from TSA. Anyone else hear about a hiring freeze?

That doesn't make any sense. Why put an announcement out after starting a hiring freeze?

[NousDefions794]

My buddy has a phone interview today.

[dtown101]

About the View.. who cares. Who knows what could be a lie. Maybe the guy was a loser posing as a FAM to get the photo, maybe he's a desk man already, maybe he actually did screw up. Who knows/who cares. They'll handle it if they need to.

Real News:
I called the help desk yesterday because I wanted to verify some things. I still have no idea what is going on in there, and there's a LOT of conflicting information. However, they told me that there's been a hiring freeze for the FAMS since January!! Supposedly, all applicants are applying and entering a hiring pool for when they're ready. That's just what I heard from TSA. Anyone else hear about a hiring freeze?

there is no freeze from what ive heard in the FO

[JD13]

there is no freeze from what ive heard in the FO

Thanks, Dtown.

[dtown101]

[quote=JD13;1702718]Yeah, it didn't make any sense to me either. But, I don't usually use "federal government" and "good business sense" in the same sentence anyway. It just concerned me because this wasn't a rumor, as it was what TSA actually told me personally last night. I wish I could trust their answers better. They are very friendly and professional, but I feel that if I follow all of their advice, then I'll never get that call we're all waiting for.

I was also told that if you applied now but don't get called for a couple years, at which time you're 38 (for example) years old, then you'll be ok because you applied early enough to get in by age 37 (the cutoff). I really don't think that's true though, because you couldn't possibly do 20 years before age 57.

If we can't trust THEIR answers regarding the few things they actually answer, then that's just sad.




if your 38 and not currently in the fed system and yet to be hired....nope..your passed the age requirement even though you applied when you were 37

[TheKansan]

We need to stop spreading rumors.

[Tac]

yeah, you need to be HIRED by the time you are 37, doesnt make any difference how long you wait or are in the process. The day you turn 37, if you arent hired on and working, it is too late.

[JD13]

We need to stop spreading rumors.

Are you referring to what I said, or what I was told? Since I was trying to kill any rumors, and clarify a statement, I believe you were referring to what TSA told me.


yeah, you need to be HIRED by the time you are 37, doesnt make any difference how long you wait or are in the process. The day you turn 37, if you arent hired on and working, it is too late.


Thanks, that's what I had thought. Like I think TheKansan was saying, TSA needs to stop giving bad info. I can't believe they told me that, and that was only the latest example. When I call them, I feel like I'm calling those girls at home, and am merely getting untrained opinions, which is far from appropriate, adequate, or accurate... especially considering the importance of that job and information!! :mad: I am wondering if any of their info is the reason I missed that last email. I hope I'm not out of the running when it barely even started. She assured me I'm not, but how do I know (and how does she know)?

[Ali G]

My buddy said he was making 93k as a thirteen and of course I took him at his word. Maybe he was like most in law enforcement and never ruined a good story with the truth. I stand corrected. I would not lose that kind of money. It used to be they would match your pay if you were an 1811 back when they hired for g-h-i-, I would call human resources and see if there was an exception. It would seem they would pay for the experience. They only use 1811 for JTTF around here so they still need them. Oh yeah, I saw a TL making calls yesterday. He only got a response from 12 out of fourty so he was calling them again. Guys, if your apps in check you messages!!!

You know what, I'll bet he was telling the truth. The current announcement only lets people come in at the G. But, if he came in back when we were hiring for G, H, or I, they could have brought him on at the H or even I band and matched his pay exactly. I can't believe that didn't occur to me.

But, yeah, I'm am about 99.9% positive that anyone coming in off the current announcement will only be bumped up to the top of the G band if they are a 13. So, the people coming now will be topped out at 60k base (I'm pretty sure).

Now if you will excuse me, I have to go put out some fires because I made a joke that PFT charts are SSI. However, I failed to make it clear that I was joking. My bad, now people are calling me out as if I was serious. I have to learn to use those smiley faces when I am joking.

[Ali G]

This Forum is going to be shut down again if we start down the road of

that's SSI no it isn't YES it is!!!


It's just PT SCORES its PUSHUPS AND SITUPS Get REAL!!!!!!

Sorry! I was just joking. Wow, I figured it was obvious that PT scores are NOT SSI.

I should have made it more obvious that I was joking... my bad.

Ya'll need to lighten up. You won't last a day like this, you will end up giving yourselves heart attacks.

[Ali G]

Are you referring to what I said, or what I was told? Since I was trying to kill any rumors, and clarify a statement, I believe you were referring to what TSA told me.





Thanks, that's what I had thought. Like I think TheKansan was saying, TSA needs to stop giving bad info. I can't believe they told me that, and that was only the latest example. When I call them, I feel like I'm calling those girls at home, and am merely getting untrained opinions, which is far from appropriate, adequate, or accurate... especially considering the importance of that job and information!! :mad: I am wondering if any of their info is the reason I missed that last email. I hope I'm not out of the running when it barely even started. She assured me I'm not, but how do I know (and how does she know)?


JD, he might have been talking about me spreading rumors. I made a joke about PFT scores being SSI and everyone took it seriously because I didn't put a smiley face next to my statement.


I think part of your problem might be the fact that you are PROBABLY conversing with TSA people who are not FAMs and not in covered LE positions. Thus, they might not know what they are talking about. And don't get me started on the general inability of Federal govt. HR types to do anything... ever. Just kidding. There are some that know what they are doing, but I have received so much misinformation from HR people at different agencies regarding hiring practices and job announcement specific info, that it would make your head spin. So anyway, get used to it. Half of them barely speak English or can't even write a complete sentence. Double check any info you get from HR reps who are processing applications.

Bottom line: FAMs and any Fed LEOs are covered under th 6C/12D retirement. You have to be hired on by your 37th birthday to be elligible (sp). They might not know all that because they are doing regular Fed jobs that allow people to be hired at any age.

Let me know if you have any specific questions. I'll try to answer, but I might not be able to.

Oh, and I can almost guarantee that there is no hiring freeze going on. I am hearing just the opposite.

[JD13]

I think part of your problem might be the fact that you are PROBABLY conversing with TSA people who are not FAMs and not in covered LE positions.

Oh, and I can almost guarantee that there is no hiring freeze going on. I am hearing just the opposite.

You are right. But the only place other than this post that I know of to find "trustworthy" information is the TSA help desk. I think you nailed the issue--that they simply don't know. But, they speak like authorities, and it's the HELP desk that applicants are instructed to rely on. So, I very much appreciate all the info that you and the other fellas (and maybe ladies) here provide.

I didn't believe the hiring freeze info. But, since she said that it could be a year before I'm contacted next, my plans may have needed to be tweaked (wouldn't need to kill myself training for the PT run & would need to look for alternative employment opportunities, etc.). Anyway, I'll assume everything's fine for now.

So, where else can I find valid info? Anyone I can call (HR, etc.)? How can I find out whether something got screwed up somewhere? Should I make a call to the field office? I don't want to become a pest, but this stuff would be good to know... both for me, and probably lots of other applicants, too.

Thank you!! :)

[bman72]

Interview next week. whew.

Pray for me guys.

Thanks

[dubb18]

Charlotte F/O....interview next week. WooHoo!!!

Pray for me guys.

Thanks

From the july/august 08 announcement or the one that just closed Feb?

[justdoitking]

yeah, you need to be HIRED by the time you are 37, doesn't make any difference how long you wait or are in the process. The day you turn 37, if you arent hired on and working, it is too late.

I can confirm this for non-veterans, I have communicated with several people in TSA Human Capital and the Team Leader handling this round of FAM Applications. The jury is still out for veterans and some guidance is being sought as it may be possible to push the envelope to 40 (This will not be a waiver). Keep in mind if you have veteran preference as long as a eligibility list exists, you can apply even though the announcement closed.

I can also confirm no hiring freeze is in place, just the opposite as I understand it, as they have back to back FLETC classes lined up I believe.

Wish you all the best of luck in getting hired.

[NousDefions794]

Keep in mind if you have veteran preference as long as a eligibility list exists, you can apply even though the announcement closed.

This is very interesting. Is there somewhere that you can reference the above info? Does it only apply to FAMs? Thank you.

[Ali G]

I can confirm this for non-veterans, I have communicated with several people in TSA Human Capital and the Team Leader handling this round of FAM Applications. The jury is still out for veterans and some guidance is being sought as it may be possible to push the envelope to 40 (This will not be a waiver). Keep in mind if you have veteran preference as long as a eligibility list exists, you can apply even though the announcement closed.

I can also confirm no hiring freeze is in place, just the opposite as I understand it, as they have back to back FLETC classes lined up I believe.

Wish you all the best of luck in getting hired.

People, I wouldn't get your hopes up for the military time counting to extend your max 37 age requirement. There has been talk of this in the past and honestly, if the HR people are still working on figuring it out now, it will probably be a year or two before HQ comes to a consensus.

Also, vet preference does not automatically allow you to apply once the announcement is closed. 10 point preference allows you to apply after an announcement is closed. That means you have to be disabled to get on the list after the fact. You can't just be a veteran with 5 point preference.

[NousDefions794]

10 point preference allows you to apply after an announcement is closed. That means you have to be disabled to get on the list after the fact. You can't just be a veteran with 5 point preference.

Do you have a reference for this? I'm using different search techniques, and I can't seem to find it. Does this just apply to FAMs or other Fed Agencies? Thanks.

[JSAMP]

Anyone here any updates from the Jan- Feb applications list? I was told by HR that they are going to send out e-mails for a test of some kind soon. Can anyone confirm this?

Thanks for the information in advance.

[ayden0526]

Charlotte F/O....interview next week. WooHoo!!!

Pray for me guys.

Thanks

me too....looks like there is gonna be a crowd!

[ayden0526]

Charlotte F/O....interview next week. WooHoo!!!

Pray for me guys.

Thanks

my wife and kids have a stomach virus....i hope like H^%$ I dont show up throwing up all over the panel and all over the track...Im serious...Im scared Im gonna get hit by it sunday night in the hotel....LOL!

[Fedman 111]

my wife and kids have a stomach virus....i hope like H^%$ I dont show up throwing up all over the panel and all over the track...Im serious...Im scared Im gonna get hit by it sunday night in the hotel....LOL!

When did you get the call? are you part of the 08 crowd? if so how far did you go?

[justdoitking]

This is very interesting. Is there somewhere that you can reference the above info? Does it only apply to FAMs? Thank you.

http://www.opm.gov/veterans/html/vetguide.asp#Filing%20Late%20Applications

http://jobsearch.usajobs.gov/veteranscenter/

[JD13]

From the july/august 08 announcement or the one that just closed Feb?

For those of us who recently were contacted... ???

[NousDefions794]

http://www.opm.gov/veterans/html/vetguide.asp#Filing%20Late%20Applications

http://jobsearch.usajobs.gov/veteranscenter/

WOW! Thanks for the info. VERY interesting.

[SemperFun]

I too am wondering if there are any updates from the jan/feb exam applications.

I had a missed call from a new jersey number but they didn't leave a message ....just wondering if I missed something.

I also had a missed phone call from a New Jersey number. I looked up the number and it is a well known phone number used by a telemarketing scheme claiming your vehicles warranty is expired and trying to get you to buy a new warranty from them. I had a call from the same number a few days later which I answered and it was exactly that. So don't worry. You probably didn't miss a call from the FAMS. It was likely just the warranty scam. Just to be sure though, get the number from your caller ID and plug it into google. You will usually find who it is that way. I would tell you the number from the calls I received, but I am a bone head and forgot to pick up my phone before leaving for work this morning. If you would like me to, I can tell you the number this evening when I get home.

[bman72]

Feb. posting.

[paul354]

Feb. posting.

Congratz!

[bman72]

charlotte isn't hiring. you will be processing out of charlotte, don't think that you will end up working there.
Do you know which office is, if charlotte isn't...?

[bman72]

Congratz!
Thanks much. The phone interview was short and sweet(20mins). It was 3 senerio questions followed by several Y/N questions. Got to get the DR. basic exam waiver form done before the P/T test and panel interview on monday.

FYI...process is being expedited

[Bear1005]

Do you know which office is, if charlotte isn't...?

You don't remember from when you applied? LOL! Chicago, Atlanta, NYC, NJ, DC, and LA! Good luck on your interview and PTA.

[kakoisan]

Hi Im new to this forum, I have faxed back to them a few documents before the 9th, I still have not heard from them yet, i would like to know what are the next steps going to be? and is there a written exam that i must take? if so what does it consist of?
thanks
EL

[BamaCounty]

Hi Im new to this forum, I have faxed back to them a few documents before the 9th, I still have not heard from them yet, i would like to know what are the next steps going to be? and is there a written exam that i must take? if so what does it consist of?
thanks
EL

I just called the TSA help desk and they got my fax. The girl told me that I will get a email telling me the next step, when the background is finish.

[justdoitking]

Feb. posting.

It is not from the 09 but the 08 posting, is that what you are saying?

[Up_On_Base]

You don't remember from when you applied? LOL! Chicago, Atlanta, NYC, NJ, DC, and LA! Good luck on your interview and PTA.

Sorry...but that is hilarious.

You won't see Charlotte for 10+ years from what I understand.

[judoka77]

Does anyone know if there is any leniency on the hearing test. Apparently shooting guns when I was younger has made some impact on my hearing at 6000 Hz. You can't exceed the threshold of 45dB and mine is 60dB.

Everything else with my hearing is 100%. I had to get a test done by an audiologist.

Any help anyone can give would be great.

[ayden0526]

Charlotte F/O....interview next week. WooHoo!!!

Pray for me guys.

Thanks

do you have any idea how many will be there monday?

[ayden0526]

When did you get the call? are you part of the 08 crowd? if so how far did you go?

my phone interview was 05/08...they scheduled me the panel and pta, but canceled it 2 days prior last may...i had just gone out and bought a suit, reserved a hotel, and rented a dependable car to drive to charlotte...LOL!

[Fedman 111]

my phone interview was 05/08...they scheduled me the panel and pta, but canceled it 2 days prior last may...i had just gone out and bought a suit, reserved a hotel, and rented a dependable car to drive to charlotte...LOL!

I was part of that same crowd and can't understand how some people get these calls and others like myself who are just waiting on the medical screening are still on hold. I made it into the Border Patrol and leave soon but I was hoping to hear something from FAMS before taking off. Good luck on your interview, I hope you make it all the way before another hiring freeze.

[Up_On_Base]

I was part of that same crowd and can't understand how some people get these calls and others like myself who are just waiting on the medical screening are still on hold. I made it into the Border Patrol and leave soon but I was hoping to hear something from FAMS before taking off. Good luck on your interview, I hope you make it all the way before another hiring freeze.

You will learn more being a BPA and be able to leverage that real experience for something better in 2-3 years.

Good luck, keep out of trouble, and stay safe.

[JSAMP]

What are the odds of landing a FAM assignment in Ohio FO?


I just wish that HR would get their head on straight. I have been given all types of information from the hotline. Well I hope things get straitens out with the Jan/Feb eligibility list.

[justdoitking]

me too....looks like there is gonna be a crowd!

What I believe you will find, field offices have been preselected to conduct interviews by class dates per se. This is done for a specific reason, what you may also find that this will allow for a more professional selection process. This will also eliminate some of the errors recruiters and others at local offices have made in the past.

The new system will be beneficial to the applicant and the service, a win-win situation. I know it is a hard pill to swallow if you are not selected but you can be assured the best candidate has been and not the secretary of the SAC because of who she is, so to speak.

Hope goes a long way! Good luck to all who have been selected to attend the festivities.:)

[Bear1005]

What are the odds of landing a FAM assignment in Ohio FO?


I just wish that HR would get their head on straight. I have been given all types of information from the hotline. Well I hope things get straitens out with the Jan/Feb eligibility list.

I would say the odds are zero for your first assignment, at least off of this announcement. This announcement had only 6 FO's on in it, and Ohio wasn't one of them. If you want the job, get in and do your time, then transfer in like 5 years. It took a year from the time I applied til the time I got the offer and medical. Nothing is impossible, I'm just saying it will be tough. Good luck!

[LS1]

Does anyone know if there is any leniency on the hearing test. Apparently shooting guns when I was younger has made some impact on my hearing at 6000 Hz. You can't exceed the threshold of 45dB and mine is 60dB.

Everything else with my hearing is 100%. I had to get a test done by an audiologist.

Any help anyone can give would be great.

Hey, I'm a hardcore metal head and gun shooter who has had more than his share of hearing damage over the past years. If you can hear a normal conversation, you'll pass the hearing test. I also had the same anxiety about the hearing test because they throw all of these weird numbers at you. You'll do fine.

[bman72]

do you have any idea how many will be there monday?
Looks to 5 or so, by looking at the email list.

[bman72]

You don't remember from when you applied? LOL! Chicago, Atlanta, NYC, NJ, DC, and LA! Good luck on your interview and PTA.
I chose the southeast area, not one particular FO. ATL or CLT is the closest to me though.

[SemperFun]

BMAN, did you apply in Feb 08 or Feb 09?

[911fedz]

I can tell you, if you only put in one FO selection you may not get call. They are working hard to staff area that are really cold and cost of living is high....... Just keep your head up guys and you will make it. It took me 7 years to get on...... between all the freezes, getting walk out of a panel interview, and know I'm finally in...... Just keep your options open and never give up........ class of 08

[TigerWoody]

I can tell you, if you only put in one FO selection you may not get call. They are working hard to staff area that are really cold and cost of living is high....... Just keep your head up guys and you will make it. It took me 7 years to get on...... between all the freezes, getting walk out of a panel interview, and know I'm finally in...... Just keep your options open and never give up........ class of 08

You got walked out of a panel interview? did u fart? what happened? are you an air marshal now?

[JD13]

I can tell you, if you only put in one FO selection you may not get call. They are working hard to staff area that are really cold and cost of living is high.

How about if I put in two, and they were Newark & New York? Not much higher cost of living!! :)

[911fedz]

You might have a chance with those pick and I did not get walk out my fault, I just never made it two see what was behind door number two failed the panel that all, I was over confident and I guess at the time I was not Highly qualify.. So they said at the time, so never give up.... cause I finally made it on board........

[AUKERBP]

I applied back in 07 and completely forgot about it, then i got an email asking if i was still interested. I replied and got a call from an agent i have a scheduled PTA, Panel, and Drug Testing all on thursday in Denver, Co. There will be only 5 others there i am told. We'll see what happens

[PigsdoFly]

Does anyone know if there is any leniency on the hearing test. Apparently shooting guns when I was younger has made some impact on my hearing at 6000 Hz. You can't exceed the threshold of 45dB and mine is 60dB.

Everything else with my hearing is 100%. I had to get a test done by an audiologist.

Any help anyone can give would be great.

As a FAM I can tell you that you need to pass the test in order to get hired. If you fail it as a FF (Flying FAM) during your physical you will not be cleared and you can not fly on mission status. Just pass the test and you will be fine.

[PigsdoFly]

How about if I put in two, and they were Newark & New York? Not much higher cost of living!! :)

Since NYFO and NWK are hard to fill places your chances are better. The best thing to do on your app. is to check off every FO, your chances are much better and let God take it from there to see where they will offer you if you make it through.

[PigsdoFly]

[QUOTE=JSAMP;1707162]What are the odds of landing a FAM assignment in Ohio FO?QUOTE]

Hate to say it, but nonexistent as a rookie coming in. There are FAMs that have been around since '02 that can't even transfer there.

[justdoitking]

You might have a chance with those pick and I did not get walk out my fault, I just never made it two see what was behind door number two failed the panel that all, I was over confident and I guess at the time I was not Highly qualify.. So they said at the time, so never give up.... cause I finally made it on board........

Did you get the same questions each time or similar?

[justdoitking]

I applied back in 07 and completely forgot about it, then i got an email asking if i was still interested. I replied and got a call from an agent i have a scheduled PTA, Panel, and Drug Testing all on thursday in Denver, Co. There will be only 5 others there i am told. We'll see what happens

From 07 WOW; Did you even do a interview or anything back than?

Congrats

[dtown101]

Did you get the same questions each time or similar?

DONT divulge anything about the process!!!!!!!

[911fedz]

If you ever went on a Law Enforcement interview before, you should be fine......

[JD13]

Thanks 911 & Pigs. Maybe I should have applied to more than two locations. I just didn't want to move from the northeast. Well, too late to change that now, I guess. Hopefully my preferred locations will bring me some luck, though.

So, why are EWR & LGA/JFK hard to fill locations? Due to the congestion & cost of living? And why is Ohio so popular? Just curious.

By the way, if anyone's from or near NJ and wants to hit the range with me sometime, let me know. I'm going to practice my skills soon, I think.

[emerlad]

You got walked out of a panel interview? did u fart? what happened? are you an air marshal now?

Worth the chuckle

[justdoitking]

DONT divulge anything about the process!!!!!!!

Thanks for that DTown your right, the procedure is to be confidential. I guess I was really asking what did he do differently from the first time that he made it the second time.

I already know the answer to the question I asked.

[kakoisan]

is there still a written test that we need to take? if so what does it consist of? thanks
EL

[airisfine]

I know I signed a non disclosure agreement in regards to the hiring process as I am sure most other fams did to keep the process honest. I have been in others for other agencies and they did not care but these guys do. If you have common sense and any type of life worth living you should be fine

[dtown101]

is there still a written test that we need to take? if so what does it consist of? thanks
EL

Once again, People- dont talk about specific things about the process....about a year and half ago a guy who got hired FAMS asked him if he was on any forum pages and he told them this forum and they checked the things he said and lets just say they gave him the boot...

[jetset1]

Once again, People- dont talk about specific things about the process....about a year and half ago a guy who got hired FAMS asked him if he was on any forum pages and he told them this forum and they checked the things he said and lets just say they gave him the boot...


I agree. I don't understand how some ask things that they must know are sensitive. Asking if there is and if so what's on the Exam if there is one??? Come on! Just go into the application steps as you would any other job and try your best. :D

[kakoisan]

yes I agree with you, I certainly would not want to know anything sensitive, sorry for the misunderstanding, Im just new here and to the process and got so many questions :)

[BPD Once]

It's quite simple folks; answer what you are asked honestly with common sense and confidence and you will be fine. It's not rocket science. For those of you in the process I would definitely limit what you say on this because it is checked and the S!#@can you from the process simply because there are plenty of applicants who remain silent about the process.

[jetset1]

yes I agree with you, I certainly would not want to know anything sensitive, sorry for the misunderstanding, Im just new here and to the process and got so many questions :)

Good Luck!!
Just be who you are.

[DevilDog24]

I was doing some research on the USSS-UD and came across this small arcticle quoting the Washington Post: "The Washington Post reported that since September 11, 2001 nearly every local police department has lost officers to the high salaries, good benefits and seemingly easy, jet-setting work offered by the Federal Air Marshal Service. The Secret Service's uniformed division has been hit the hardest, losing 130 of its 1,200 officers."
You guys are like the rock stars of federal agents :rolleyes: LOL!!!!

[PigsdoFly]

You guys are like the rock stars of federal agents :rolleyes: LOL!!!!

You got that right, high speed low drag.....:cool:

[Up_On_Base]

I was doing some research on the USSS-UD and came across this small arcticle quoting the Washington Post: "The Washington Post reported that since September 11, 2001 nearly every local police department has lost officers to the high salaries, good benefits and seemingly easy, jet-setting work offered by the Federal Air Marshal Service. The Secret Service's uniformed division has been hit the hardest, losing 130 of its 1,200 officers."
You guys are like the rock stars of federal agents :rolleyes: LOL!!!!

I don't think anyone would say FAMS is a hard job as it pertains to the actual work.

The hard part is always being on the road, jumping on planes, dealing with airport BS, and not being on a normal shift/schedule.

It's harder on the family than it is the FAM...but if the family is not on board 100%...you probably won't be a FAM for very long.

[Ali G]

I don't think anyone would say FAMS is a hard job as it pertains to the actual work.

The hard part is always being on the road, jumping on planes, dealing with airport BS, and not being on a normal shift/schedule.

It's harder on the family than it is the FAM...but if the family is not on board 100%...you probably won't be a FAM for very long.

The job is pretty demanding on your body. It is just different from the type of demands that you would typically expect. Crossing all those time zones and working extremely varied hours takes a toll. Not to mention, there is a lot of sickness floating around out there.

Not that you did this, but I think it is funny when people act like the job of a FAM is somehow easy because there is no immediate tangible result for what we do. Trust me, at the end of the day, you are typically pretty beat. Think about your worst travel days and add a little bit of extra garbage to it. Now multiply that times at least 5, because that is the minimum number of days you will be working in a row. Think about how you felt after flying from Europe to the states. Now add a few hours on each end of the trip and you will have some small idea of the hassle. Oh, and don't forget all the sleeping you have to do to make up for the jet lag. Well, that catch up happens on your days off. Nice. Oh, and did I mention that your next day back to work will probably/possibly be an overnight all the way on the other end of the country?

I'm not griping. This is the job and those of us who do it know this. I just get pretty angry when I even get a hint that someone is implying that the job is somehow easier than other Fed LEO gigs. Yeah, maybe for a day it is easier. But, many of the guys who think it is so easy would be running back to their old jobs after doing the FAM thing for a week or two. I know because I have seen it happen.

Again, this wasn't a jab at up-on-base. I guess I was just venting.

[Up_On_Base]

Again, this wasn't a jab at up-on-base. I guess I was just venting.

No offense taken brother, I know what you were trying to say and I agree.

I actual part of sitting on a plane is easy, its all the other crap that is the killer.

[JSAMP]

Good Morning

Anyone hear anything from the 09 Jan/Feb hiring list?

Thanks

[dtown101]

was in the FO today and they were doing Panel interviews....about a bakers dozen were in

[BPD Once]

The job is pretty demanding on your body. It is just different from the type of demands that you would typically expect. Crossing all those time zones and working extremely varied hours takes a toll. Not to mention, there is a lot of sickness floating around out there.

I'm not griping. This is the job and those of us who do it know this. I just get pretty angry when I even get a hint that someone is implying that the job is somehow easier than other Fed LEO gigs. Yeah, maybe for a day it is easier. But, many of the guys who think it is so easy would be running back to their old jobs after doing the FAM thing for a week or two. I know because I have seen it happen.

Again, this wasn't a jab at up-on-base. I guess I was just venting.

To piggy back on what Ali said in this truthful and accurate post of the job, I have worked the streets for years and I must say that I am worn out by the end of the day as if I had just pulled a 40 hour shift. The reason is because all the flying trashes your body especially through dehydration. (along with the illnesses of everyone sitting around you) This job is different from any LEO job in the country and it is easy as far as the job goes. However, when the day comes that we have to go to work, it will be harder than any day fathomable to any other LEO professional. Those of us who are flying are thankful for our "easy" days.:D

[dtown101]

To piggy back on what Ali said in this truthful and accurate post of the job, I have worked the streets for years and I must say that I am worn out by the end of the day as if I had just pulled a 40 hour shift. The reason is because all the flying trashes your body especially through dehydration. (along with the illnesses of everyone sitting around you) This job is different from any LEO job in the country and it is easy as far as the job goes. However, when the day comes that we have to go to work, it will be harder than any day fathomable to any other LEO professional. Those of us who are flying are thankful for our "easy" days.:D


I agree with the 2 of you 100%....I am spent some days I come home from work...my back hurts more and my nose gets alot more stuffy...being healthy on this job is a must!!!!! trying to work out on a daily basis is also hard to maintain....

[BPD Once]

I would say it is damn near impossible to stay healthy on this job especially doing the long haul flights over seas or to the west coast. Nothing like catching sinus, ear, and respiratory infections all at once. That is my favorite by far. Also trying to find a regular workout regimen with the odd hours and having a family is also challenging. For those in the process or on the job, I'm not complaining just stating difficulties that I and many others have. (The tri-fecta illness I am complaining about though because it sucks)

[justdoitking]

I would say it is damn near impossible to stay healthy on this job especially doing the long haul flights over seas or to the west coast. Nothing like catching sinus, ear, and respiratory infections all at once. That is my favorite by far. Also trying to find a regular workout regimen with the odd hours and having a family is also challenging. For those in the process or on the job, I'm not complaining just stating difficulties that I and many others have. (The tri-fecta illness I am complaining about though because it sucks)

A lot is written on this subject and Aviation Medicine supports what you are saying. However, it is a little bit more complex than simply basing it off the number or distance of flights etc. However, I can say with confidence research specifically focusing on FAMS is forthcoming based on the number of OWCP claims/lost work hours etc. Hence the push to hire additional medical staff.

I will tell you there is no cure for self care and the things one can do to reduce their chances of the 'trifecta' happening, unfortunately the mission prevents some things. The scary thing is this reoccurring 'trifecta' will place you at a high risk for the sake of not using medical terms lets say brain fluid leakage as well as DVT.

Take care of yourself! Stay Vigilant

[INTHEAIRCOP]

Getting sick is part of the job. I have been with a wicked infection for 2 weeks now, seen 3 doctors and am about to die. I get sick like this onve a year and it is a pain in my rear. As a FAM you will pick up all kinds of bugs sitting on these planes. We had two guys who got some sort of flesh eating thing on their face and had to be put in the hospital.

[jetset1]

Getting sick is part of the job. I have been with a wicked infection for 2 weeks now, seen 3 doctors and am about to die. I get sick like this onve a year and it is a pain in my rear. As a FAM you will pick up all kinds of bugs sitting on these planes. We had two guys who got some sort of flesh eating thing on their face and had to be put in the hospital.

Are you serious??? What happened? I heard that thing is real dangerous!

[LochRaven]

Do any of the calls come from a NJ number? I got like three or four calls in a row yesterday from a NJ number - but never left a message. I applied for DC so I wouldn't think that would be the case, but I wanted to make sure anyway, since I know the FAMs have that location up there and all.

[BPD Once]

NJ is where the HR section and training section is. I received a call from there when I was in the process. I would definitely answer calls from NJ as well as a 703 area code which is the WFO.

[JD13]

Are you serious??? What happened? I heard that thing is real dangerous!

I'm not a physician, but it sounds like STSS, which is what Jim Henson (Muppets creator) died from.

[Up_On_Base]

Do any of the calls come from a NJ number? I got like three or four calls in a row yesterday from a NJ number - but never left a message. I applied for DC so I wouldn't think that would be the case, but I wanted to make sure anyway, since I know the FAMs have that location up there and all.

Dude...it was me calling, pick up the phone!

[SemperFun]

Getting sick is part of the job. I have been with a wicked infection for 2 weeks now, seen 3 doctors and am about to die. I get sick like this onve a year and it is a pain in my rear. As a FAM you will pick up all kinds of bugs sitting on these planes. We had two guys who got some sort of flesh eating thing on their face and had to be put in the hospital.

I hear stuff like this quite often from Air Marshals and I don't doubt that it is true (why would I?). However, I have friends who are pilots and I never hear this kind of stuff about them. Does it happen to them also or do they not fly nearly as much as a FAM?

[PigsdoFly]

I would definitely answer calls from NJ as well as a 703 area code which is the WFO.

"703" calls will be primarily from HQ.

[justdoitking]

I hear stuff like this quite often from Air Marshals and I don't doubt that it is true (why would I?). However, I have friends who are pilots and I never hear this kind of stuff about them. Does it happen to them also or do they not fly nearly as much as a FAM?

There are a multitude of theories around this;
1. Exposure to the general passenger does not happen in the same context for flight crew. Evidence tells us based off plane type and class you sit in and where you sit in relation to a sick person is your likely hood of getting what they have.
2. If they applied the flight rules of other aviators to the FAMS they would not cover enough flights to meet certain requirements. Also they would not need LEAP nor be in trouble with Overtime being careful here I would say some FAMS fly 2+x's of what your normal Aviators fly.
3. Other anecdotal reason, is you do not hear when Aviators are sick they take off work and no questions asked or hassle given. Therefore reducing the likely hood of recurrence as they are not permitted to fly whilst on certain medications much stricter guidelines than used by the FAMS.

[lauderdalehawk4]

Getting sick is part of the job. I have been with a wicked infection for 2 weeks now, seen 3 doctors and am about to die. I get sick like this onve a year and it is a pain in my rear. As a FAM you will pick up all kinds of bugs sitting on these planes. We had two guys who got some sort of flesh eating thing on their face and had to be put in the hospital.

Be careful out there

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[LochRaven]

Dude...it was me calling, pick up the phone!

AwCrap. I shoulda' knew it.

You know I screen my calls Up On Base.




I guess if it was them they would have hopefully left a message.
Not big on confirming my number for the telemarketers by calling back.

[paul354]

Other than the few who stated they were called in for interviews in the CLT area has anyone else rec'd a call or e-mail?

paul

[SemperFun]

Other than the few who stated they were called in for interviews in the CLT area has anyone else rec'd a call or e-mail?

paul

Not yet but my fingers are crossed. It is just the nature of the beast for this process to take a long time. All we can do is take advantage of the time and use it to our favor. Start thinking about possible questions you might be asked in a panel interview and formulating answers. If you have any friends in law enforcement, ask them if they would be willing to do a mock interview with you so you can get in some practice. Start running and getting ready for the physical training test. You never know when you might get a phone call or e-mail saying that you are scheduled for the PT test within a couple of weeks. That is not the time to begin getting ready. If you aren't in shape, it may already be too late and from what I'm told, a lot of the guys/girls that take the PT test are very competitive PT studs. Start gathering your background info i.e. previous employers, addresses, references, etc. Anything like that that you can do now you, should do now. It will make that portion of the process go just that much more quickly. I hear a lot of people complain about how long the process takes. On some days, I get to feeling pretty antsy and impatient too. Like I said though, use it to your advantage and keep your fingers crossed. Best of luck to all. Notices will start going out eventually. Be as ready as you possibly can be until then.

[AV8TOR]

Thought this was worth posting.

AV

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29739241/

[Ali G]

Thought this was worth posting.

AV

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29739241/

Yeah, there is a lot of that going on. By the year 2020, I honestly don't think that the job of an Air Marshal will be the same as what we currently know. Things are already expanding to the entire transportation domain. The writing is on the wall. Not to mention, the FAMS has a pretty major presence during various phases of responses to major disasters. I think that eventually the current job of an air marshal will be a temporary detail or a rotation. Or maybe one section of a bigger law enforcement mission.

[NS1286]

Yeah, there is a lot of that going on. By the year 2020, I honestly don't think that the job of an Air Marshal will be the same as what we currently know. Things are already expanding to the entire transportation domain. The writing is on the wall. Not to mention, the FAMS has a pretty major presence during various phases of responses to major disasters. I think that eventually the current job of an air marshal will be a temporary detail or a rotation. Or maybe one section of a bigger law enforcement mission.

I remember reading about a year ago about efforts in Washington DC and New York to put Air Marshals on mass transit systems. Plus, this move by Obama to move more federal agents to the border with all the violence in Mexico (it sounds more like it's ICE and ATF at the moment) will likely expand the mission of the FAMS soon.

[Bearcat357]

efforts in Washington DC and New York to put Air Marshals on mass transit systems.

One has to remember that most (if not all) Mass Transit systems have their own LEOs.....and they don't like it when the Feds show up and try to take over things..... One can only suspect that will occur if something like this happens on a regular basis and no one asked for the help......

Same deal when back in 02 they were going to have "TSA Police Officers" at all Checkpoints at all the US Airports. Notice how far that got...?

Plus, Barry will be hiring all new TSA folks in the very near future so one has no idea what direction they will want to take the agency.....

Just my 02 cents.....FAMs will continue to fly....Hopefully, the FBI will let go of some of the investigative/terror stuff so they can do that....but until then....FAMs are going to fly.....

[Ali G]

One has to remember that most (if not all) Mass Transit systems have their own LEOs.....and they don't like it when the Feds show up and try to take over things..... One can only suspect that will occur if something like this happens on a regular basis and no one asked for the help......

Same deal when back in 02 they were going to have "TSA Police Officers" at all Checkpoints at all the US Airports. Notice how far that got...?

Plus, Barry will be hiring all new TSA folks in the very near future so one has no idea what direction they will want to take the agency.....

Just my 02 cents.....FAMs will continue to fly....Hopefully, the FBI will let go of some of the investigative/terror stuff so they can do that....but until then....FAMs are going to fly.....


FAMs are going to fly. That was never disputed. However, the TSA is responsible for all forms of transportation security throughout the country and the FAMS is the law enforcement arm of that administration. From inside the agency, I can tell you that ground based transportation law enforcement is not going away and it will only get bigger. There are FAMs that have been reassigned to be K9 handlers even. The writing is on the wall.

[Bearcat357]

FAMs are going to fly. That was never disputed. However, the TSA is responsible for all forms of transportation security throughout the country and the FAMS is the law enforcement arm of that administration. From inside the agency, I can tell you that ground based transportation law enforcement is not going away and it will only get bigger. There are FAMs that have been reassigned to be K9 handlers even. The writing is on the wall.

Having worked for.....and now going back to work with DHS again at the HQ level.....I will be back on the inside as well and I do know this....

A. FAMS will always fly...that is going to be their bread and butter.....

B. The FAM Service will be in for new changes when the leadership takes over..... It's up to Barry and his folks to figure out where they want to go wtih TSA....most projects are on hold now....so who knows what it will bring...

C. FAMS are trying to get into ground based but thus far, it's on an invitation only..... My buddies that worked that event were Ticked off they had to work....and were forced to work it..... They joined up to fly, not walk around mass transit trains and platforms. Watch the turnover rate go out the roof when folks start doing more ground based stuff and it's not Investigatons or on JTTF..... And watch recruiting go to hell if the flying mission is put into 2nd place.....and more ground based stuff is tried to be started. I remind folks, once again, about the "TSA Police Officer" mess that started in 02..... See where that went....?

D. FAMS invading onto Airport LEO turf is going to cause friction if/when the dogs go into use. Most of the guys I know out of several offices are skeptical at best that the program will expand..... Hell, TSA was supposed to be screening cargo how long ago and they want to spend money on K-9s that the Airports already have through TSA/FAA grant money.... Yeah...wait till Congress figures that out....

I take a wait and see attitude.....with telling folks that if you want to be a FAM, be ready to fly....and keep flying for the next 20 years of your career.....as LE Agencies are going to fight to keep what they have....and are going to tell TSA to take a hike....and then go straight to Congress who will be trying to figure out what progams TSA still hasn't got handled and why they are wanting to start new ones.....

[Ali G]

[QUOTE=Bearcat357;1718799]

C. FAMS are trying to get into ground based but thus far, it's on an invitation only..... My buddies that worked that event were Ticked off they had to work....and were forced to work it..... They joined up to fly, not walk around mass transit trains and platforms. Watch the turnover rate go out the roof when folks start doing more ground based stuff and it's not Investigatons or on JTTF..... And watch recruiting go to hell if the flying mission is put into 2nd place.....and more ground based stuff is tried to be started. I remind folks, once again, about the "TSA Police Officer" mess that started in 02..... See where that went....?


Pfffffff. LOL! Are you kidding me!? Yeah, I'll bet they were steaming mad that they had to get taken out of the air. This comment makes it clear to me that you have no idea what is going on in the FAMS. If your friends were upset about doing the rails, it was because they had their one office day taken away from them, not because "they signed up to fly." That is ridiculous. I'm sorry to blow you up like this (and I'm sure my comments here will be met with an onslaught).

Actually, everybody in this agency knows that a person cannot fly for 20 years. It is ridiculous to think they can. I think you are correct to warn applicants that they will be flying... a lot. Since, as you stated, flying is still our bread and butter.

However, other than that I think you are talking about things that you really don't have all the info on. Individual FAMs aren't upset that they are being pulled out of the air for meager transportation LE/security duties instead of investigative duties. Individual FAMs are just happy to do something different (except when they take your one office day that you get to catch up on paperwork and they make you do ground based stuff).

Do you really think that people will leave because they signed up to fly and aren't getting to do it?

You mention the TSA police officer mess. But, that was 2002. Since then we have deployed to numerous disaster response situations. The FAMS is pretty much showing the entire DHS that Air Marshals can get to places very quickly and provide law enforcement AND security capability immediately. And do you seriously think that DHS/TSA would expand VIPR (Transportation law enforcement and security teams made of FAMs, Inspectors, screeners, and locals.. for those of ya'll that don't know) the way it has without getting prior approval? How would congress not know about this since this year's VIPR budget was approved by congress?

[Ali G]

[QUOTE=Bearcat357;1718799]

D. FAMS invading onto Airport LEO turf is going to cause friction if/when the dogs go into use. Most of the guys I know out of several offices are skeptical at best that the program will expand..... Hell, TSA was supposed to be screening cargo how long ago and they want to spend money on K-9s that the Airports already have through TSA/FAA grant money.... Yeah...wait till Congress figures that out....

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There is not if/when the dogs come into use. Airport police K9s are/were supported and maintained through TSA funds. TSA can stop or reallocate those funds in any way it sees fit. This includes giving Security Inspector's dogs (which has been occurring for a year or so) or giving Air Marshals dogs (which is currently happening).

Congress approved the VIPR budget including K9. Congress already figured it out.

[Bearcat357]

Pfffffff. LOL! Are you kidding me!? Yeah, I'll bet they were steaming mad that they had to get taken out of the air.

Yes...they were....Are you calling me a liar...?? :rolleyes:

If your friends were upset about doing the rails, it was because they had their one office day taken away from them, not because "they signed up to fly."

Once again....you signed up for one reason...they signed up for others. They want to fly......and they weren't. They were on a detail they weren't happy to be on....can't you get that through your skull???


Individual FAMs aren't upset that they are being pulled out of the air for meager transportation LE/security duties instead of investigative duties. Individual FAMs are just happy to do something different (except when they take your one office day that you get to catch up on paperwork and they make you do ground based stuff).

Once again....I'm going with what that folks out of that particular FO told me....If you don't like that....then you go go fly a kite..... They were not wanting to be there to deal with drunks on rails....they wanted to be doing their regular jobs.....Is that so hard to understand...??

Do you really think that people will leave because they signed up to fly and aren't getting to do it?

Yes....FAM=Federal AIR Marshal.....get it...?? Other than some slugs sitting in office spaces now....most general folks sign up with the Federal AIR Marshal Servie to fly..... You think you are going to cash in not flying....? You know good and well you make more money flying than you do not flying.... And yes, money talks, BS walks....

Since then we have deployed to numerous disaster response situations.

Errr....you went to Katrina and helped with the Airport because the LEOs fled like cowards.....and you have done a few other small deployments....that's it... Were you at Katrina...? I know folks that were....and it wasn't only the FAM Service, there were a ton of folks there to include USMS,USSS, FBI, ICE, etc....Hell, they even sent a large group of FPS folks there.....

The FAMS is pretty much showing the entire DHS that Air Marshals can get to places very quickly and provide law enforcement AND security capability immediately.

And so can every other FLEO agencies out there.....once again, to include USSS, FBI, ICE, USMS, FPS, etc......

And do you seriously think that DHS/TSA would expand VIPR

And how much has VIPR expanded....? Not much yet....and a new Admin just took over. You keep forgeting, Barry and his Merry Men just took over everything....included TSA..... New Leadership will be put into place and things will be going in a new direction.....Do you know which way Barry is going to take DHS/TSA....? I certainly don't.....and you don't either....

Once again, it's Federal AIR Marshal.... They AIR is in there for a reason....

And no, I am not trying to bash your agency. I've been around local/Fed LE for years... A lot longer than you have. My buddies working in the FO's around the US have tons more time on the job than you do.....do you not get that...?? For the most part, they like flying....they want to fly....they want to make some phat cash, get their degrees done, and get on with another agency..... And yes, we know the body can't handle 20 years of flying...but when you sign up for the job, you better be expecting that....or expect to do what most folks have done thus far.....a few years on the job then escape to some where else......

[Bearcat357]

There is not if/when the dogs come into use. Airport police K9s are/were supported and maintained through TSA funds. TSA can stop or reallocate those funds in any way it sees fit. This includes giving Security Inspector's dogs (which has been occurring for a year or so) or giving Air Marshals dogs (which is currently happening).

Congress approved the VIPR budget including K9. Congress already figured it out.

Errr....and just how many Airports have these teams...? I know the answer...and it's not that many....Nor will I post it due to crap like that doesn't need to be floating around the web.......

I do know all my Airport LEO contacts have told me that their Admin has told TSA to go away....as they want to keep their own dogs....and will even if they have to pay their own money to do so and send folks on the Airport dime to Lackland.....

And I will state again.....Who gives a crap about last years budget?? W. is gone....Barry is the man. Barry is installing new folks within the next few months. Only he and his people know what direction things are going to go.....You (and I) have no clue.... Hell, they could disband TSA and toss you guys back under ICE or even the FAA! Nobody knows.....

I went to a meeting a couple of weeks ago at the TSOC and no one....from GS-12 up.....has a clue where DHS/TSA is going to go.....And for you to sit there and say you do.....you're crazy..... It's a new game skippy. Barry is in town and he's going to do his own thing.

Hell, DHS Secretary is already mad about ICE doing raids at factories......and that's their bread and butter on the Immigration side....You suppose she's going to be changing stuff soon...? Yeap.....

[ayden0526]

actually, I was hoping it would expand to traffic control in the parking ramps...LOL....Just kidding guys....trying to add some hummor to the heat!

[Ali G]

actually, I was hoping it would expand to traffic control in the parking ramps...LOL....Just kidding guys....trying to add some hummor to the heat!

Ayden,

I guess it is hard for me not to get upset with this guy. He acts like he knows about everything. Seriously, I'm pretty sure he is an applicant, but he still talks like he has his finger on the pulse of the agency.

[Ali G]

Errr....and just how many Airports have these teams...? I know the answer...and it's not that many....Nor will I post it due to crap like that doesn't need to be floating around the web.......

I do know all my Airport LEO contacts have told me that their Admin has told TSA to go away....as they want to keep their own dogs....and will even if they have to pay their own money to do so and send folks on the Airport dime to Lackland.....

And I will state again.....Who gives a crap about last years budget?? W. is gone....Barry is the man. Barry is installing new folks within the next few months. Only he and his people know what direction things are going to go.....You (and I) have no clue.... Hell, they could disband TSA and toss you guys back under ICE or even the FAA! Nobody knows.....

I went to a meeting a couple of weeks ago at the TSOC and no one....from GS-12 up.....has a clue where DHS/TSA is going to go.....And for you to sit there and say you do.....you're crazy..... It's a new game skippy. Barry is in town and he's going to do his own thing.

Hell, DHS Secretary is already mad about ICE doing raids at factories......and that's their bread and butter on the Immigration side....You suppose she's going to be changing stuff soon...? Yeap.....

Yeah, well maybe among ALL your airport LEO contacts, and your DHS HQ contacts, and your FAM contacts, you can explain to me why you are still applying to all these different Fed positions.

You don't know anything about the FAMS. Yet, you like to pretend like you do.

Please, just go find some other discussion to take over as if you have any clue.

[Bearcat357]

Ayden,

I guess it is hard for me not to get upset with this guy. He acts like he knows about everything. Seriously, I'm pretty sure he is an applicant, but he still talks like he has his finger on the pulse of the agency.

Dude....you are an idiot. I am not an applicant nor do I wish to be an applicant for the FAMs.....or any other agency at this particular moment.

I am freaking 40 years old with a good 15 years of LEO experience.....both for local, county, and federal....plus military time and some time overseas as one of those dreaded Contractors....

I worked for....and am about to go back to work with DHS HQ at the TSOC..... perhaps you've heard of the place....? :rolleyes:

I will be working out there as a GS-13 Intel Specialist.....If you don't think I know what's going on....than that's on you....

I've got enough people on here to vouch for me....and what my background is.....

So, get over yourself kid.... I've had more time in the crapper than you've had on the job....

[Bearcat357]

you can explain to me why you are still applying to all these different Fed positions.

GS-13 my boy....GS-13. Money talks and BS walks. I left a Intel job with the Army to help my buddy out when he won the Sheriff's race..... But, one can't live like that kind of crappy cash......

So, off I am going.... You telling me if someone offered you a better paying job you wouldn't jump on...? You are full of crap if you say you wouldn't......

You don't know anything about the FAMS. Yet, you like to pretend like you do.

Funny...I was dealing with FAMs back when you were playing 1AA football...so try again slick....

[Ali G]

And no, I am not trying to bash your agency. I've been around local/Fed LE for years... A lot longer than you have. My buddies working in the FO's around the US have tons more time on the job than you do...........

I'm glad you have been "around" fed LE for much longer than me (as if you know). Oh, and it is a good thing that your "buddies" have tons more time on the job than me (again, you wouldn't know).

You see my point. None of your qualifications point to you being or having ever been LE or Fed LE. Sure, you have "been around" it or you have buddies who have done it. I guess that is why you are on these boards where nobody can vet your credentials.

I really hope none of the applicants on this board listen to you, because 99% of what you say is opinion, which is painted as fact.

I'm done arguing with you. I feel like I'm arguing with a 15 year old that has "been there and done that" no matter what you talk about.

[Bearcat357]

Please, just go find some other discussion to take over as if you have any clue.

And you know everything....hmmm..... You've been flying how long...? :rolleyes:

[Bearcat357]

I'm glad you have been "around" fed LE for much longer than me (as if you know).

Around...? No...Working...yes....

Oh, and it is a good thing that your "buddies" have tons more time on the job than me (again, you wouldn't know).

And they do....most were picked up after 9/11 when you had to print out your application and send it in. Oh yeah, you were probably in HS back then....

I guess that is why you are on these boards where nobody can vet your credentials.

Perhaps you need to over some of my posts...and see how many people I actually know on here (unlike you) that can vet me.....Can you say that...? Of course not....You just showed up 50 some posts ago....cried like a baby when you got called out on some OPSEC stuff...and have acted like a smart *** every since. One can see that by your threads....

And who has vetted you...?


I really hope none of the applicants on this board listen to you, because 99% of what you say is opinion, which is painted as fact.

Funny....I get PMs from folks thanking me all the time for providing factual/truthful info to them......or passing them onto someone that knows. I don't pass anyone on to you.....

[wannafly]

wow, came to check in to see if there were anymore info or calls going out, what the @%#& did i walk into. come on guys we are all here to help not fuss. anyway hope things are still moving and people are getting calls.

[Bearcat357]

wow, came to check in to see if there were anymore info or calls going out, what the @%#& did i walk into. come on guys we are all here to help not fuss. anyway hope things are still moving and people are getting calls.

He's done this before about 3-4 months ago. He got into a tissy about stuff he thinks he knows about and doesn't (like this time around).....tossed out a whole bunch of OPSEC stuff he shouldn't be saying....then got mad and pouted off for a while once it all got taken off of here.......

Hopefully, he will quiet down and you guys can talk about stuff.....

Good luck.....

[Statetriple]

Ya'lll Gonna get this place shut down again. Why not PM to discuss this in private and leave the Forum to the Job.


.02 Cents

[Ali G]

Ya'lll Gonna get this place shut down again. Why not PM to discuss this in private and leave the Forum to the Job.


.02 Cents

Yeah, I'm done. Didn't mean to draw attention away from ya'lls efforts. You guys can decide for yourselves what to think. Sorry to derail the forums.

[kakoisan]

HAHAHA this is interesting, now i know not to expect so much :)

[ayden0526]

HAHAHA this is interesting, now i know not to expect so much :)

Sorry to interupt the discussion folks...just heard from a friend in HQ...they are shutting the 09 process down.....hiring freeze. No more applicants accepted until 2018 in reference to federal deficit...Im moving on to the ICE page...anyone care to join me?

[Fedman 111]

Sorry to interupt the discussion folks...just heard from a friend in HQ...they are shutting the 09 process down.....hiring freeze. No more applicants accepted until 2018 in reference to federal deficit...Im moving on to the ICE page...anyone care to join me?

Ha! I'm glad I decided to go with the Border Patrol......

[ayden0526]

some of you folks have been on this forum for quit some time. You have seen a lot of people make it through the process.

Gotta question: Those that made it past a SAC interview and their packet was fowarded to HQ....was it down hill from there? Or did they knock out just as many at that level of the process too?

And NO....im not searching the last 400 pages to find the answer...sorry!

[PigsdoFly]

Sorry to interupt the discussion folks...just heard from a friend in HQ...they are shutting the 09 process down.....hiring freeze. No more applicants accepted until 2018 in reference to federal deficit...Im moving on to the ICE page...anyone care to join me?

2018? Your friend is busting your sack cause you can trust me there is no freeze....

[PigsdoFly]

some of you folks have been on this forum for quit some time. You have seen a lot of people make it through the process.

Gotta question: Those that made it past a SAC interview and their packet was fowarded to HQ....was it down hill from there? Or did they knock out just as many at that level of the process too?

And NO....im not searching the last 400 pages to find the answer...sorry!

If you have made it past every portion of the process your packet is forwarded on. The SAC just gives their blessing or not and it is up to the pannel to decide.

[ayden0526]

If you have made it past every portion of the process your packet is forwarded on. The SAC just gives their blessing or not and it is up to the pannel to decide.

so then its not downhill then...thanks...all I wanted to know.

2018 hiring freeze was a joke by the way. Icebreaker...thats all

[PigsdoFly]

so then its not downhill then...thanks...all I wanted to know.

2018 hiring freeze was a joke by the way. Icebreaker...thats all

From what I understand, the only times you can be "dropped" is the phone interview, pannel interview, and medical. I could be wrong, they are always changing things up.

[DeputyinSC]

I am curious if anyone has heard anything from the Feb. 09 posting? Or is it WAY to early for that?

[PigsdoFly]

I am curious if anyone has heard anything from the Feb. 09 posting? Or is it WAY to early for that?

They are getting lists together now for the "best qualified applicants", we all know what that means.

[DeputyinSC]

Thanks, Pigs.

[justdoitking]

wow, came to check in to see if there were anymore info or calls going out, what the @%#& did i walk into. come on guys we are all here to help not fuss. anyway hope things are still moving and people are getting calls.

Just get use to it, Bearcat knows everyone and has a lot of info! He has been around as he says and has a lot of valid points, just the method of execution peeves people off as I had this problem with him awhile back. Than we agreed to disagree and move forward and accept each other for who we are so to speak.

Ali and Bearcat come on boys, lets move forward - The truth is, it is the G and no one has a Crystal Ball to predict the future, but as Bearcat says people need to plan their future and the mission of a FAM today is to protect the skies and that is what you should plan on doing for 20 years, if you do not have other plans. Such as making the $$, furthering your education and moving on wards as many do.

Also OLE is the LEO branch of TSA and FAMS fall within that branch, if anything I would expect that branch to grow and not necessarily FAMS per se but I do not have a Crystal ball and just guesstimating from info I am entitled to.

PS Bearcat congrats on the job.

[Bearcat357]

Wow, i dont know where to start.

Nor do I.....Good Lord Son, your grammar and spelling are a mess. You do what for a living? I am suspect you are a 1802 Screener....wearing a fancy badge and a nice blue unform.....or are you a baggage handler for the Airlines....or some support person for the Airlines....? As you darn sure aren't a LEO for MWAA or MdTA.....your grammar is horrible and their standards are high....And yeah, I saw you being interested in CBP....Once again, go back to school.....Lord.....

You sure you work for DHS hq?

No...I don't. Can't you freaking read!!??!! As stated, I worked 3 years at DHS HQ (up on NEB Ave...if you and your buddy Ali know anything about DHS you will be able to find it and know what it houses....but I seriously doubt that). I left last year (Jan....as you can go back and look at my posts)....and I am headed back with a Estimated Start Time of April 2nd.....which will probably knocked forward to the 6th.....Lord willing. DHS is runing slow as crap due to the new Admin taking over.....


i dont work with or for tsa at all but i do work at an int'l airport outside of D.C. and i can tell you for a fact that tsa DOES have there own K-9 unit called explosive detection officers that are not armed but they drive around the AOA (if you even know what that is) with a canine.


I am suspecting you some Airport employee that has no freaking idea what you are looking at....Nothing wrong with that as your spelling and grammar can't put you anywhere else but that.......

First off, EDO folks ARE NOT LEOS!!! They have no arrest powers and the last time I checked they didn't have K-9s. Are you sure you aren't seeing the IAD or BWI (which would be MWAA Police or MdTA Police depending on the Airport) running their own K-9s...?? I know DCA, IAD, and BWI have their own K-9s. One can only suspect that they are part of the TSA Transportation Security Inspectors (Cargo) K-9 program that is just starting up. They are doing cargo only and aren't FAMS or LEOs!!! They are Inspectors. They find something, guess what? They are calling EOD and the Airport Police to deal with it. They aren't playing MacGyver and disarming anything. They are detecting...... And yeah...I know what an AOA is.....

Also TSA does have a " TSA Police " it may not be an official title but i see them every once in a while patroling the airport with a gun and vest that says " TSA Police" written on it.


No such think as TSA Police!! TSA Police were a thing that was trying to be created back in 2002 and got canned. If someone has a jacket on saying "TSA Police" then they are wrong.... I can go to TSA's web site and there is absoultely nothing on there about TSA Police.....Once again, you have no idea what you are talking about or seeing.

But i am pretty sure he is FAM just working some sort of detail.

Pretty sure...? Come on here and accuse me of being a liar....then you are just "pretty sure" about something is pretty bold...... Did I ever say FAMS weren't doing ground based stuff....? They are...but not in the droves Ali seem to think they are.... Also, FAMs don't wear "TSA Police" crap....its going to say Federal Agent on it....rest assured of that... ;)

And they also have people that are not FAMS that are LEOs. I am not going to get into that but im pretty sure you know that since you work at HQ right.


Err....gee...those folks would be Transportation Security Inspectors....Series 1801. Non-LEOs.....no arrest powers...and can only write reports which are turned into TSA....who in turn can issue fines for such things as doors being left open to the AOA that you forgot to secure when you were out smoking, cameras being out, not having your AOA badge on, etc.....

I know i dont post here alot but i read through alot of post for my own research of some positions, and i notice you are on a bunch of different job forums talking about you know about something.


What forums...? I am here...and here alone.....Show me where there is another Bearcat357....

Your only proof of knowing something is through "your buddy" that you know. Not saying your a liar but thats what it sounds like to me and i guess Ali as well.


So....you spout off all that crap....and it's all damn near been disproven just now...by me.... Further, I stand by my post 100%. Wanna know why? There is a Senior FAM on here that has been already verified by the powers that run this joint (aka Frank). He looked over my posts....said it was very accurate....and isn't going to post on here to disprove Ali as he doesn't want his cover busted. That's right folks....Senior FAM folks are on here and reading garbage that Ali posts.....Woops.... I have said post stored in my PMs and if need be, Frank can read it to check its authority......

So, go back to your luggage....your fuel truck...your rental car lot....or your taco hut at either IAD or BWI...and mind your own business. You are way out of your leauge kiddo....


And your claim you work for DHS HQ is not at all believable.

Once again....I never said I was there now. If I was, I wold have asked Ali for his work email and we could have discussed this that way.....which is eventually going to happen in April....so......

[Bearcat357]

Anybody with common sense know this guy is an applicant. Jumping from board to board and he knows everything about everything from his "buddies". LOL who the hell has that many buddies in EVERY fed agency. if thats the case why are you still job hunting?

Dude....I am 40 years old....Guess what, I can't apply. Are you that stupid?? I've posted on here a 100 times my background from the time I joined the Military until now.

I have more folks on here that know who I am....where I work....what I have done in the past....and where I am going in the near future then the two of you numbnuts put together....... Do you realize that? I actually network off this place. You and Ali G are so stupid that you can't realize this place can get you jobs and get you jobs after that......till you hit that magically GS-15 and become King of the Hill......

I've posted on here numerous times about living in DC and hanging out and driving FAMS around...guys/gals I was in the military with....and guys/gals I love like brothers and sisters. Guess what? We still talk to each other and I know quite a bit about their jobs. Further, working at DHS HQ for 3 years, I learned even more about what goes on.....more than you two chuckleheads will ever realize unless you get into a job like I've had....

Further, I have been more places, have met a ton of folks on this board and keep in contact with a lot of my Military buddies plus folks I have worked with overseas and abroad. I have a ton of contacts. I go to conferences.....I go to meetings....and I hangout with folks that were or are on the job.....

If you are stupid enough not too keep up with folks....where they are at...what they are doing....and what the do for a living (especially if it's in the LE field) then you guys are real chuckleheads.... .

And finally....Ali G my friend....As stated, my posts were reviewed by someoen high in your organization that's been vetted by the ownership as a real deal.....said there was nothing wrong with my posts (thus far....hell....TSA Dog teams may exist but the last time I had discussions with folks, the Explosive guys were not using K-9s...only the Airport LEOs were)....and he said you were way off on what you were blatthering about.

Further, said PM is in my inbox and if Frank wants to see a copy and get with the person, he's more than welcome too......

NYWNVA....got back to whatever you do, learn some grammar and spelling ....and think before you post....

Ali....Gonna have fun when I get to DC....trust me.... ;) If I have have to beg and yell to get the TSOC over the NOC I will.....

And if you two chumps don't know those two terms....then just leave now.....

[Bearcat357]

Sorry for the outburst....But I don't take kind to being called out when I am right....and I am....

There are real FAMS on here....and folks like myself and a few others that know a lot about this job and other Federal/State/Local jobs because of are vast experiences.....

Please feel free to figure out those folks and use them as resources....as we offer a wealth of info....

There are a few on here that are going to give you suspect info because of their time on the job...or just pure ignorance of what they are talking about....so please heed that warning....

Now back to your regularly scheduled FAM thread....

[NousDefions794]

I will be working out there as a GS-13 Intel Specialist
My assumption would be that you are not a Federal Agent but that you work at a different level than Ali G?

Wouldn't it also be safe to say that he has access to different information at a operational level?

I believe there is credible information coming from both of you, but at different levels. My point is "can't we all just get along?"

[Bearcat357]

My assumption would be that you are not a Federal Agent but that you work at a different level than Ali G?

Wouldn't it also be safe to say that he has access to different information at a operational level?

I believe there is credible information coming from both of you, but at different levels. My point is "can't we all just get along?"

A. I would like to get along...but when he's not putting out correct information (as stated above that was confirmed by FAM higher on then the food chain than he is) then thats when I take issue....especially when someone else like that other dude chimes in with his nasty grammar, sentence structure, and just plan horrible writing....plus the bad, misguided info he is trying to put out as well.

B. At the current moment, I am just a dumb *** Sheriff's Deputy (as stated above and has stated Lord only knows how many times over the last year). I worked for DHS at their Main HQ for 3 years....took a year off last Jan doing other things within the Federal GOV (which is bitting me in the *** career wise)....an am now going back out to DC...Hopefully in April....DHS is rolling slow on paperwork and clearences because of the new Admin..... And not to brag, but the job I am taking gives me access to a lot of info.....admin and operational.....so I am well versed and give out as much as I can...and as much as I see fit as long is it doesn't get into OPSEC issues......

C. I was just out in DC about 2 weeks ago and got updated info on what I will be doing and some of the stuff we talked abiout concerned what we are talking about in this thread.......

D. Am I off on some stuff...? Perhaps....but when I've got a FAM from HQ sending me PMs telling me that I am right on 99.9% of what I am posting....and Ali isn't....guess what? I'm going to put out the right info and aruge my points and keep telling him he's not correct in what he's posting......

E. Ali has been called out before for posting OPSEC stuff on here...hence he tosses out little jabs and puts a stupid location under where he's at....and general acts like a HS kid at times.....

F. Folks forget, this is an open source board. Senior Staff from all the major FLEO Agencies, Senior Staff from other LE Agencies, and Lord only knows read what's posted here all the time.... If someone from the Senior DHS/TSA/FAM figures out who is posting garbage and who is giving them a black eye....someone will get called out. It's happened before on this board and others.....

That's why I tell folks they should watch what the post, specifics about the FAM mission, schedules, travel arrangements, airport movement, etc.....

Once again....back to your reguarly scheduled FAM programing.....

[SemperFun]

Bearcat,

No disrespect intended, but if you are going to lay into people (and you might have a right to) lets do it with facts and leave the insults and other stuff aside. For example, if you are going to thrash somebody for typos and grammar issues, then you need to make sure you don't have the same. It makes you come off as a bit ridiculous and harder to take seriously even if you deserve to be taken seriously. If you don't know what I'm talking about, go back and read some of your most recent posts. Pay attention and you will notice that your own postings are riddled with poor grammar and poor spelling. You also might try not being so condescending. Calling people things like, “slick” and “sport” and “son” is nothing more than talking down and intentional patronization. If you want people to be respectful you should give a little first. I for one believe that a lot of what you have to say is very valid but the way you react to people makes it very difficult to believe you or take you seriously sometimes. This is not an attack against your or a defense of any of the people with whom you’ve been arguing. I just think you have a lot of good info to share and hate to see you lose a lot of your credibility because of the way you react when somebody says something you don’t like.

[SemperFun]

Sorry to interupt the discussion folks...just heard from a friend in HQ...they are shutting the 09 process down.....hiring freeze. No more applicants accepted until 2018 in reference to federal deficit...Im moving on to the ICE page...anyone care to join me?

Ayden0526, I wonder how many people you freaked out with this post? LOL!!:D

[PigsdoFly]

i dont work with or for tsa at all but i do work at an int'l airport outside of D.C.

So you are obviously at IAD or BWI. What is it that you actually do there?

I know i dont post here alot but i read through alot of post for my own research of some positions, and i notice you are on a bunch of different job forums talking about you know about something. Your only proof of knowing something is through "your buddy" that you know. Not saying your a liar but thats what it sounds like to me and i guess Ali as well. And your claim you work for DHS HQ is not at all believable.

Bearcat is legit, plain and simple.

[Ali G]

Bearcat is legit, plain and simple.

I believe you are right. I believe he does do what he says and he does know who he says he know. But, he really needs to stop passing his word off as if it is gospel. My information comes from people at FAMS HQ and what I have seen with my own eyes. So, if it counteracts his info, maybe our informants have conflicting information. I can say for sure that I am A LOT closer to what is actually happening than he has ever been.

All I know is this. The things I say come from what I have seen. You know as well as I do that working as high up as DHS HQ only serves to put him further from what is actually going on in the FAMS. A LOT of what he says is just his opinion, but he passes it off as if it is set in stone. Not to mention, this guy has just gone on some huge tirade (sp) about a bunch of stuff. I tried to just let it die, but wants to keep on talking. If he is your friend, please just tell him to stop posting about this crap and let these applicants do their thing.

[Ali G]

A. I would like to get along...but when he's not putting out correct information (as stated above that was confirmed by FAM higher on then the food chain than he is) then thats when I take issue....especially when someone else like that other dude chimes in with his nasty grammar, sentence structure, and just plan horrible writing....plus the bad, misguided info he is trying to put out as well.

...


You are amazing. I am seriously done with you. I tried to let this die, but you continue to make this the bearcat show. You even bring up my name when you are posting to someone else. You seriously think you know a lot about things that you have no idea about.

Do you think I make this stuff up? You are the one that isn't even in the agency. The closest you ever came to being in the agency was DHS HQ, which honestly only puts you further from what is actually going on in the FAMS. Oh, and just because your information comes from someone higher up in the food chain (as if you know), that doesn't mean that person has any idea what he or she is talking about. I know plenty of people who are high up on the food chain, but don't have the first clue as to what is going on in this agency.

You were right about one thing: The current job of FAMs is to fly and that will be our bread and butter for a long time.

However, the VIPR thing is growing significantly and will continue to grow (at least for the time being), because the money has already been approved and it is just sitting there. And FAM K9 teams are being created, regardless of what you think you know.

In fact, no forget everything I just posted. You were right about everything since you have some contact somewhere in the FAMS food chain who may or may not know what is going on.

MESSAGE TO EVERYONE: Bearcat wins! Congratulations! You and I (but mostly you) have managed to draw attention away from what the forums are really about for way too long.

I am done. You win. Now comes the part where you continue to talk smack about me and attempt to discredit me... even though you are Sheriff's Deputy and have never worked for the FAMS. LOL. I can't believe I have argued with you this long.

[Bert Stanton]

Maybe, as a service to the forum, Bearcat and Ali could tell us which FO they work at so perspective candidates will know which ones to avoid. Just a thought.

[Ali G]

NY2NVA,

That was pretty excessive. I don't agree with that kind of post.

[dtown101]

You know what your right, whats the point of going back and forth with this loser. I really think he enjoys going through these sort of "forum arguments" so he can spout off about this buddy and that buddy told him this when hes 100 % wrong. I will delete my past post because maybe i said to much i have no idea wut you guys consider sensitive.


DANG...both of you need to chill...its like watching 2 children fighting ....come on guys...i see enuf of my kids fighting...i dont want to see it on here....

[justdoitking]

I find it shameful both of you indicate your source of information is out of FAM HQ's. Well I wonder how much of this information they should be sharing with you?

Let us all keep it real as no one knows what the future of the FAMS will be.

As some of the papers I have read shows the program to be very costly per flight covered and has put alternative models forward as recommendations. Some of these recommendations look at flexible use of the workforce to demand more from the current OLE Human Capital based on a good threat analysis.

Much like now I am sure ground based assignments will exist and be on a volunteer basis, however this role will expand under TSA OLE and may not be a FAM assignment. Keep in mind the history of the FAM program to grow and shrink, do not think we will ever see it shrink to the pre 9/11 stage though.

Also the TSA Police in 2002 did not finish standing up for fiscal and other reasons, as the ATSA provides the jurisdiction to have them at the Airports etc.

Watch this space as Bearcat and Ali both indicated new administration, new ideas. Best of luck to all applicants!

[gonefishin]

If anyone works in ATL can you send me a PM

[Bearcat357]

Maybe, as a service to the forum, Bearcat and Ali could tell us which FO they work at so perspective candidates will know which ones to avoid. Just a thought.

Maybe you should learn to read....

Bearcat doesn't work in a FO......And Ali isn't going to post his because he knows better than to post stuff like that..... ;)

[Bearcat357]

Bearcat is legit, plain and simple.

TY....

If anyone has issues with the above statement, I can assume Pigs will be more than happy to disscuss things with them about who he his......

Be safe Brother.....

out....

[INTHEAIRCOP]

Was on a flight the other day where a small Cipmunck got out of a passengers bag. All the ladies on the plane jumped up into their seats and started to scream out. I got scared also and just about pulled out my gun cause at first I did not know what the hell was going on. Once I used my FAM training (LOL) and saw what was going on I got back off from standing on my seat and right back to my paper. Fynny crap!

[gonefishin]

Was on a flight the other day where a small Cipmunck got out of a passengers bag. All the ladies on the plane jumped up into their seats and started to scream out. I got scared also and just about pulled out my gun cause at first I did not know what the hell was going on. Once I used my FAM training (LOL) and saw what was going on I got back off from standing on my seat and right back to my paper. Fynny crap!

Maybe that will be a new FAM duty...animal control? Was the chipmunk wearing a bomb vest?

[dtown101]

Was on a flight the other day where a small Cipmunck got out of a passengers bag. All the ladies on the plane jumped up into their seats and started to scream out. I got scared also and just about pulled out my gun cause at first I did not know what the hell was going on. Once I used my FAM training (LOL) and saw what was going on I got back off from standing on my seat and right back to my paper. Fynny crap!


thats good!!!! back to your paper....what about your PSP????

[manstown]

can someone please post something related to the hiring process.... like if anyone has heard more news.





thanks

FAMS are still hiring.....

[Bert Stanton]

can someone please post something related to the hiring process.... like if anyone has heard more news.



thanks

I applied to the February 2009 announcement. I received an email stating my application was received. So far that is it. I am hoping that no news is good news. How about you? Have you heard anything at all? Did you apply to the February 2009 announcement or a different one?

[TheKansan]

There seems to be a lot of secrecy involved in the FAMs. Quick question, are FAMs present on the majority of large commercial flights now?

[manstown]

There seems to be a lot of secrecy involved in the FAMs. Quick question, are FAMs present on the majority of large commercial flights now?

Big OPSEC question there (and I hate when people throw OPSEC around). But it is something that shouldn't be tossed around on an open forum. Not trying to be a dick Kansan.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

Just google FAMs and you will find everything you need to know about us. Just about everything was released to the press form P-ssed off flying FAMs. You can even goto youtube and find a bunch of videos done by local news stations. We try to be secret but we are not.

[PigsdoFly]

We try to be secret but we are not.

Come on now you and I both know we are pretty much the same as Jack Bauer...:cool:

[dtown101]

can someone please post something related to the hiring process.... like if anyone has heard more news.



thanks


doing panel interviews this week in the office where the potus resides...

[dtown101]

Come on now you and I both know we are pretty much the same as Jack Bauer...:cool:

im not....unless Jack Bauer has a book in his hand for the entire flight :)

[PigsdoFly]

I applied to the same announcement. Like you, have heard nothing back. People have already heard news. Do you think if we have not been contacted then we are not being considered? A lot of times no news is good news though....hmmm..we will see.

I wouldn't worry about it, its the "G" and they can take forever. Besides it has only been a month or so since it ended. If you go back through the pages you will see that some people have been hired after 6 months and others after 3 years.

[Agent A-Hop]

i got the priveledge to sit next to a FAM last night on my flight from D.C...nice guy too!!

[Navalaircrewman]

I jusy wanted to say thanks. I've enjoyed coming on here the last few nights on the boring overnights..it was a tossup between Jerry Springer or reading some of the virtual fighting or whatever it's called. This has been was more funny!

[Esco]

Some people have heard news from the 09 openings????. I have only gotten the standard email that they received my app, my forms, and the email about the push ups. Above that I dont think anyone has heard anything.

[BPD Once]

I jusy wanted to say thanks. I've enjoyed coming on here the last few nights on the boring overnights..it was a tossup between Jerry Springer or reading some of the virtual fighting or whatever it's called. This has been was more funny!

I figured you would have been watching Oprah or Judge Judy re-runs.:D

[ayden0526]

Some people have heard news from the 09 openings????. I have only gotten the standard email that they received my app, my forms, and the email about the push ups. Above that I dont think anyone has heard anything.

they r pushing through those left of the 08 posting, then starting on the 09. sounds funny since everyone had to reapply, but my panel had my 08 application with outdated data'......meanwhile, I had just completed my 09 app just like the rest of you.

[sgtjohns919]

same thing happened to me. They went off my 08 stuff and I reapplied for the 09. Taking the PT this Sat.

[paul354]

same thing happened to me. They went off my 08 stuff and I reapplied for the 09. Taking the PT this Sat.

good luck sgt.

[justdoitking]

they r pushing through those left of the 08 posting, then starting on the 09. sounds funny since everyone had to reapply, but my panel had my 08 application with outdated data'......meanwhile, I had just completed my 09 app just like the rest of you.

I have heard they are hiring a lot of young college grads, as older and experienced people on the 08 list are not getting the calls. Can anyone confirm this?

[davidh304]

Was the chipmunk wearing a bomb vest?



How did this wonderful piece of comedy slip by? I'm just mentally picturing the squirrel from Ice Age. :D

[justdoitking]

same thing happened to me. They went off my 08 stuff and I reapplied for the 09. Taking the PT this Sat.

I have spoke to them about the 09 applications, they are still doing the ranking of these applications. It will be a little while until they recruit from this I would say. If you get a call, I would offer a copy of the 09 application just so they have current and up to date information if you have something to show that may some how increase your chances.

[justdoitking]

same thing happened to me. They went off my 08 stuff and I reapplied for the 09. Taking the PT this Sat.

I have spoke to them about the 09 applications, they are still doing the ranking of these applications. It will be a little while until they recruit from this I would say. If you get a call, I would offer a copy of the 09 application just so they have current and up to date information if you have something to show that may some how increase your chances.

[nvgonu]

Nighthawk which announcement did you apply under, 08 or 09? Thanks.

[Bear1005]

well had my phone interview panel sac and pt test just waiting for a answer. finished all this last saturday. anybody have any info on how long till i get the call just a ball park.

Your guess is as good as anybody elses. It took me a year, but some have been hired faster and some have been in the process for over 3 years before getting hired. If you go back through the thread, most of the people who have been hired have put their timelines up. Basically be prepared to wait!

[justdoitking]

well had my phone interview panel sac and pt test just waiting for a answer. finished all this last saturday. anybody have any info on how long till i get the call just a ball park.

Unfortunately 7 years on and they are still trying to figure a way to recruit timely and in a method that protects peoples rights, and hiring the type of person they want (unfortunately may not be a person with LEO/Military background in many instances). However, if you are a veteran and entitled to preference, make sure you claim it. It will not help you qualify but if you are Best Qualified it should help you get in.

Someone PMed me wanting to know about ratings etc..... and another about veterans preference.

I am not 100% sure but here are the validated categories from OPM, and a standard blurb, hope that helps. Ladies and Gentleman, you need to be patient, keep in mind a lot of things happen behind the scenes in reference to selection and hiring a lot of people would not be aware of.

HOW YOU WILL BE EVALUATED:
Your application will be evaluated and rated under the Category Rating and
Selection Procedures. We will review your resume and supporting documentation and compare this information to your responses on the occupational questionnaire to determine if you meet the minimum qualifications for this job. If you meet the minimum qualifications for this job, we will evaluate your application package to assess the quality, depth, and complexity of your accomplishments, experience, and education as they relate to the critical competencies listed in this vacancy announcement. We will then place you in one of three categories:

(1) Qualified Category - Meets the specialized experience outlined in the
Minimum Qualifications Requirements section of this announcement;

(2) Well Qualified Category - Meets the Minimum Qualifications Requirements and exceeds the level of the Critical Competencies based upon a panel review by subject-matter experts, and/or a HRO human resources specialist;

(3) Best Qualified Category - Meets the Minimum Qualifications Requirements and the outstanding level of the Critical Competencies based upon a panel review by subject-matter experts, and/or a HRO human resources specialist.

You should be aware that your ratings are subject to evaluation and
verification. If a determination is made that you have rated yourself higher
than is supported by your resume you will be assigned a rating commensurate to your described experience. Deliberate attempts to falsify information may be grounds for not selecting you.

Application of Veterans Preference: The Category Rating Method does not add veterans' preference points or apply the "rule of three," but protects the
rights of veterans by placing them ahead of non-preference eligibles within each category. Preference eligibles who meet minimum qualification requirements and who have a compensable service-connected disability of at least 10 percent must be listed in the highest quality category, except when the position being filled is scientific or professional at the GS-9 grade level or higher. A selecting official may make selections from the highest quality category (Best Qualified) provided no preference eligible in that category is passed over to select a non-preference eligible in that category unless the requirements of 5 U.S.C 3317(b) or 3318(b) are satisfied.

I can and will openly say as a result of J band (promotion) complaints a Merit Principle review will be taking place and filter down to the recruit and select process of in ital hires. I would not anticipate this to slow the hiring down, based off the information I have been given.

Hang in there and if it is meant to be it will be. Keep in mind based on sheer number of applicants, they have the luxury to pick and choose to a certain extent and as of today tis has been done without a real rhyme or reason. Although a lot of people may have a theory!;)

[Md094]

It is my understanding the 2009 applications will not be looked at until maybe the end of summer because of the number of 2008 applications still left to go through.

[bman72]

It is not from the 09 but the 08 posting, is that what you are saying?
'08 posting from what I'm gathering....back filling.

[Trilobite]

Alarming Report! (http://www.theonion.com/content/video/manufacturer_recalls_hollow_point)

Be sure you check all of your issued ammo. Leave no face intact!


omg I love The Onion soooo much. :D

[Up_On_Base]

It is my understanding the 2009 applications will not be looked at until maybe the end of summer because of the number of 2008 applications still left to go through.

Fall 09

[PigsdoFly]

It is my understanding the 2009 applications will not be looked at until maybe the end of summer because of the number of 2008 applications still left to go through.

They are looking at 09 applicants, and have been since the end of the anouncement. The future classes will consist of applicants from both 08 and 09.

[manstown]

They are looking at 09 applicants, and have been since the end of the anouncement. The future classes will consist of applicants from both 08 and 09.

Pigs.......When are you getting out of that agency!? Make the move brother!!!

[TheKansan]

Pigs.......When are you getting out of that agency!? Make the move brother!!!

Wow, is it that bad, or is it that it's just tiresome and hard to live a normal life?

[PigsdoFly]

They are looking at 09 applicants, and have been since the end of the anouncement. The future classes will consist of applicants from both 08 and 09.

Just wanted to add to this.....

Ideally it may take awhile to get to 09 applicants and they may only look at 08 applicants for now. I discussed this with other FAMS on here. Honestly we all get told different things, so who knows how it is going to go.

Sorry for any confusion but as all of us get info, we'll continue to put it out there but it could differ depending on what we are told.

[PigsdoFly]

Pigs.......When are you getting out of that agency!? Make the move brother!!!

Well maybe if you guys would hire up here I would:cool:. I'm at a good spot right now as you know, but I'm just sitting back waiting for the right move I guess.

[justdoitking]

They are looking at 09 applicants, and have been since the end of the anouncement. The future classes will consist of applicants from both 08 and 09.

I spoke with the Office of Human Cattle and they thought what would end up happening is in mid summer the two list would merge per se and than they would hire the best of the best candidates off both list and dissolve the older lists. Therefore only having the 09 announcement to recruit from.;)

But they do not know what they are doing half the time!

[manstown]

Well maybe if you guys would hire up here I would:cool:. I'm at a good spot right now as you know, but I'm just sitting back waiting for the right move I guess.

What are you talking about? Haven't you seen the other threads on here? We started hiring a few weeks ago. I think there will be an opening for your neck of the woods in the near future. That's where you want to stay, right? I'll let you know what I find out.

[PigsdoFly]

What are you talking about? Haven't you seen the other threads on here? We started hiring a few weeks ago. I think there will be an opening for your neck of the woods in the near future. That's where you want to stay, right? I'll let you know what I find out.

Yeah, I've been keeping up on it and I saw the two other regions. Yes I really can't leave here cause of the wife.

[Fedman 111]

Guys,

What's life like in Artesia for the FAMS? I'm in Artesia right now with Border Patrol and life sucks, everytime I see the FAMS guys walking around I wish I would have gotten picked up by them and hope I get the call from my 08 app. Is the training para-military like the Border Patrol or is it more laid back? If I get the chance to talk to one of the blue vest guys one of these days I'll find out from them but until then does anyone here have some info for me?

Good Luck to all that are waiting........

[PigsdoFly]

Guys,

What's life like in Artesia for the FAMS? I'm in Artesia right now with Border Patrol and life sucks, everytime I see the FAMS guys walking around I wish I would have gotten picked up by them and hope I get the call from my 08 app. Is the training para-military like the Border Patrol or is it more laid back? If I get the chance to talk to one of the blue vest guys one of these days I'll find out from them but until then does anyone here have some info for me?

Good Luck to all that are waiting........

Yes, its laid back, not para-military at all but there are certain standards... no facial hair, must be groomed, sir or ma'am, tattoos need to be covered. I feel it is alittle too laid back, I don't think it should be like boot camp, marching in formation, or standing at position of attention but a tad more strict on certain things.

[PigsdoFly]

I spoke with the Office of Human Cattle and they thought what would end up happening is in mid summer the two list would merge per se and than they would hire the best of the best candidates off both list and dissolve the older lists. Therefore only having the 09 announcement to recruit from.;)

But they do not know what they are doing half the time!

Yes exactly. It differes from place to place, and as I said earlier as well all hear info lets put it out and go from there.

[GuyinCali]

Yes exactly. It differes from place to place, and as I said earlier as well all hear info lets put it out and go from there.

Okay, so what happened to the 07 announcement. I completed all steps last March including Medial. Then in April I completed the panel interview, UA and PTA again for the 08 announcement. Then re-applied this past Jan. for the 09 announcement...

Waiting on the Call for an EOD...

[Up_On_Base]

Okay, so what happened to the 07 announcement. I completed all steps last March including Medial. Then in April I completed the panel interview, UA and PTA again for the 08 announcement. Then re-applied this past Jan. for the 09 announcement...

Waiting on the Call for an EOD...

Have you contacted your FO or HR?

If not, I would ASAP becuase your file probably got lost.

I still contact my FO recruiter and was in contact w/ HR nonstop for about 3 weeks, both helpful people...although they would not let me switch FO's and delay EOD due to family reasons. But they were upfront and honest.

I am just praying I get a mystery phone call out of the blue with another offer...only for EWR....but I highly doubt that will happen.

Good luck all...FAMS is a good place but could be awesome if the leadership lets them take the next step.

[manstown]

Yeah, I've been keeping up on it and I saw the two other regions. Yes I really can't leave here cause of the wife.

I know what you're saying. I'm still trying to talk the wife into going to Florida for a little and then come back this way. Just want get away for a little and see what's out there. She may even like it. Damn wife!!! To be honest I forgot you got married. I told you it was a dumb move. Nobody listens to the married guys! (Just kidding obviously. Hope it's going well for you. And I do love my family.....They're just always there!)

[Md094]

Yes, its laid back, not para-military at all but there are certain standards... no facial hair, must be groomed, sir or ma'am, tattoos need to be covered. I feel it is alittle too laid back, I don't think it should be like boot camp, marching in formation, or standing at position of attention but a tad more strict on certain things.

As Pigs says it is much more laid back than BP. The rules for each FAM class can be different because the class coordinators get to set some of them as they see fit. Most importantly is to realize you are being treated "professionally" and not screw it up. Most people who are FAM candidates are starting their 2nd or 3rd career, so they have life experience through military, law enforcement or the professional world so they do not need to be worn down. (My 2 cents anyway).

I felt BP was treated a little harsh, but I realize they are moving a lot of people through and many of them are super young and need some basic life lessons.

I did get tired of watching the BP cadets eating in the locker rooms while we were changing. The locker rooms were so gross and watching them eat their sack lunches in there was too much for me. :eek:

[vincentvega]

To all current or former FAMS, does the Washington field office cover all three airports(IAD, DCA, and BWI) or does BWI fall under a different office?

[Up_On_Base]

To all current or former FAMS, does the Washington field office cover all three airports(IAD, DCA, and BWI) or does BWI fall under a different office?

All 3 airports.

No Bmore field office :(

IMO - Bmore and PHL should be one office.

[PPD668]

Is there a Las Vegas field office?

[Bearcat357]

Is there a Las Vegas field office?

Yes...

If you go to the TSA web site....and look at the FAM info....there is a listing of all 21 field offices......

[manstown]

Is there a Las Vegas field office?

And it is one of the worst FO's in the agency. I don't know how many times an ATSAC from there would stop me, and other FAMS, in the airport and say something. Funny thing was you could always see them looking for people to jam up.

[Bearcat357]

And it is one of the worst FO's in the agency. I don't know how many times an ATSAC from there would stop me, and other FAMS, in the airport and say something. Funny thing was you could always see them looking for people to jam up.

Let me guess....USSS-SA Mafia....looking for dress code violations....? :rolleyes:

[Fedman 111]

As Pigs says it is much more laid back than BP. The rules for each FAM class can be different because the class coordinators get to set some of them as they see fit. Most importantly is to realize you are being treated "professionally" and not screw it up. Most people who are FAM candidates are starting their 2nd or 3rd career, so they have life experience through military, law enforcement or the professional world so they do not need to be worn down. (My 2 cents anyway).

I felt BP was treated a little harsh, but I realize they are moving a lot of people through and many of them are super young and need some basic life lessons.

I did get tired of watching the BP cadets eating in the locker rooms while we were changing. The locker rooms were so gross and watching them eat their sack lunches in there was too much for me. :eek:

MD094,

Those sack lunches are all we have time for some times so we eat them when and where we can. I do agree that the locker rooms do get nasty but with that many people running around it's going to be that way.

Do you guys stay in the nice barracks "The Hilton"? Us CBP guys get lucky with the run down Artesia College dorms built in the 1950's.

I called TSA today in regards to my 08 app and my 09 app. I really want to do FAMS and I hope I get the call I'll leave CBP in a heart beat.

[manstown]

Let me guess....USSS-SA Mafia....looking for dress code violations....? :rolleyes:

Not sure if they were USSS, but I'll say you're probably right, and that's exactly what they were looking at. My favorite part was saying, "the Director says I can wear what I want as long as it's within good taste.......Did he tell you something different?" It really, really, really could have been a good job. But unfortunately these were the idiots you were dealing with. Never treated adults like adults. I guess that would make them feel like they weren't management if they didn't do the micro kind. Nothing but love Pigs!!!!

[justdoitking]

All 3 airports.

No Bmore field office :(

IMO - Bmore and PHL should be one office.

Actually a Field office should be set up that covers three Airports, BWI, PHL and MDT (a valuable triangle) and IAD & DCA should be the responsibility of the WFO. Unfortunately the SS strong hold prevents this.

The 21 field offices previously refereed to, some have little to no strategical, operational or tactical value but was stood up based on some SS PPD Agents homes.

[TXICE]

Actually a Field office should be set up that covers three Airports, BWI, PHL and MDT (a valuable triangle) and IAD & DCA should be the responsibility of the WFO. Unfortunately the SS strong hold prevents this.

The 21 field offices previously refereed to, some have little to no strategical, operational or tactical value but was stood up based on some SS PPD Agents homes.

What is the policy on employee transfer, do they ever occur? I understand that you have to do your time at your assigned office, but Im curious as to whether transfers are even entertained. What are the top three most sought after offices?

[dtown101]

[QUOTE=TXICE;1740826]What is the policy on employee transfer, do they ever occur? I understand that you have to do your time at your assigned office, but Im curious as to whether transfers are even entertained. What are the top three most sought after offices?[/QUOT


when you first come on you have to sign a 3 year contract that you will stay in that FO. then you can apply for the volunteer transfer list...its all based on seniority.

top 3 FO that current fams want to go to...

dallas:(, houston:(, and charlotte

im from tx...gonna be hard to head back home

[FCAP_2008]

I have been reading over the last few weeks of the forum and it looks like no one has been hired the last couple of weeks. I kinda thought they would be hiring for a class in May. Finished everything in April 08 just waiting now. :D

[Bear1005]

I have been reading over the last few weeks of the forum and it looks like no one has been hired the last couple of weeks. I kinda thought they would be hiring for a class in May. Finished everything in April 08 just waiting now. :D

Well I just got hired. I got the call earlier this month and had to wait a while for my medical appointment, but I finally got it and had to sign all the paperwork last week. It was from the 08 announcement.

[Fedman 111]

Well I just got hired. I got the call earlier this month and had to wait a while for my medical appointment, but I finally got it and had to sign all the paperwork last week. It was from the 08 announcement.

Bear1005,

Congrats! I'm hoping to get the call also from my 08 app I called TSA yesterday and asked them about my 08 app and they said they would get back to me. Once again Congrats! I wish you luck in training and I hope to join you sometime up there.

[Bear1005]

Bear1005,

Congrats! I'm hoping to get the call also from my 08 app I called TSA yesterday and asked them about my 08 app and they said they would get back to me. Once again Congrats! I wish you luck in training and I hope to join you sometime up there.

Thanks man!! Good Luck!!

[FloridaGator]

Can anyone tell me if they are currently taking applications? i dont care about loacation, i can move. is there a link with all the info? thanks!

[paul354]

[QUOTE=TXICE;1740826]What is the policy on employee transfer, do they ever occur? I understand that you have to do your time at your assigned office, but Im curious as to whether transfers are even entertained. What are the top three most sought after offices?[/QUOT


when you first come on you have to sign a 3 year contract that you will stay in that FO. then you can apply for the volunteer transfer list...its all based on seniority.

top 3 FO that current fams want to go to...

dallas:(, houston:(, and charlotte

im from tx...gonna be hard to head back home


I'm surprised that Orlando isn't that popular...Too much Mickey?