Air Marshal Job Open !

[Savcop]

Hello, I am interested in applying for this position. Most of my questions have been answered through researching the various forums available.

I just have one other question. This, of course, is for current FAMs.

I have a wife and 2 kids. How much does this job affect your family life?
I have heard that it is not so good for those who have families, but then again, I have heard that things are indeed, getting better. Can a current or recent FAM give his/her opinion on this matter?

Thank you for your time.

[no1099'shere]

I'm thinking about applying for FAM. From what I'm hearing, it seems pretty hard to get a job with them, and seems like they like disqualifying applicants?

[paul354]

Folks, I am STILL getting that error message when I try to apply from USAJOB website. I am headed back to Iraq on Saturday and would very much like to get this taken care of before that. So if anyone has a point of contact at a field office (pref chicago) please let me know. The TSA help line has been absolutely no help. Thanks guys

Try a different Internet Browser, If that fails maybe even try a different computer. Good Luck & Be Safe!

P

[Ali G]

Try a different Internet Browser, If that fails maybe even try a different computer. Good Luck & Be Safe!

P

Yeah man, I would save your stuff on a thumb drive and hit the local library.

[Ali G]

:DI'm not sure if they have more position then applicants. You know the numbers are top secret. But I know that there are alot of applicants in line.

I don't think that in the history of the fed there has ever been a job in which there were more openings than applicants. Typically, even the lowest level fed job has cagillions of applicants.

[justdoitking]

Nope, they are both written letters. I know its a bit confusing but the first letter really does not mean that much, I think it means you basically completed phase 1 of the testing and they are interested in hiring you. The second letter sounds more like a real conditional offer of employment to me. It took me a bit to figure all this out too. I now look back at the process as being basically two separate phases. The first phase (phone interview, oral board, PT test, etc.) is all done by the local FO then you receive the first conditional offer which is probably there way of letting you know you passed that phase.
The second phase is handled by DC (background,fingerprints,security clearance,medical ,etc) even though your FO may set up the appointments DC is handling your file. My second conditional offer came just prior to the medical. This is how my application process went and it probably could be slightly different from FO to FO but the two letters are probably standard. Hope that helps.

I have just spoke to someone in the know about this, yes it is a two phase process. As it use to not be like this but they changed the process to attempt to comply with the law. Based on a case known as Leonel v. American Airlines, Inc. I than asked the question, that baffled me is why two Conditional Offers of Employment? She laughed and asked are any of them 'real' offers of employment. When I showed her the letter, she said it can not be contingent on funding to be a 'real' offer. Sounds like these letters are truly just that a letter and not a 'real' COE. So I would not be getting my hopes up if I got the second one, all that is their attempt to cover their back side at the pre-offer stage to gather medical information basically.

[jetset1]

I have just spoke to someone in the know about this, yes it is a two phase process. As it use to not be like this but they changed the process to attempt to comply with the law. Based on a case known as Leonel v. American Airlines, Inc. I than asked the question, that baffled me is why two Conditional Offers of Employment? She laughed and asked are any of them 'real' offers of employment. When I showed her the letter, she said it can not be contingent on funding to be a 'real' offer. Sounds like these letters are truly just that a letter and not a 'real' COE. So I would not be getting my hopes up if I got the second one, all that is their attempt to cover their back side at the pre-offer stage to gather medical information basically.

Guy.... Your blowing this out of perspective as always! What do you think a "Conditional Offer of Employment" is? It is conditional on passing one other part. It is not an Offer of Employment but a "Conditional" offer. The final offer is given after you take the Medical(not the Physical fit test). If you had been on this site following the process of those last year you would see that this is exactly how the process went. If you have a problem of them being labled "Conditional" then take it up with the department because that's exactly what they are labled as "Conditional". I really understand why those who got hired don't type on this site any longer because it really has strayed from what it was last year. Good luck all

[bman72]

What is the better of the F/O's to be out of?....ATL, DC, NJ,NY

[BPD Once]

Bman- If given the choice I would say Atlanta hands down. NY/NJ and DC are very political and at times you have to walk with your back against the wall so a knife doesn't get stuck in it (especially DC). However, if you want the position bad enough you will take whatever they offer you.

[Up_On_Base]

What is the better of the F/O's to be out of?....ATL, DC, NJ,NY

NJ/EWR and ATL from what I hear are some of the best. Lots of per diem out of Newark.

[Up_On_Base]

Guy.... Your blowing this out of perspective as always! What do you think a "Conditional Offer of Employment" is? It is conditional on passing one other part. It is not an Offer of Employment but a "Conditional" offer. The final offer is given after you take the Medical(not the Physical fit test). If you had been on this site following the process of those last year you would see that this is exactly how the process went. If you have a problem of them being labled "Conditional" then take it up with the department because that's exactly what they are labled as "Conditional". I really understand why those who got hired don't type on this site any longer because it really has strayed from what it was last year. I fun way of exchanging the process between good guys in the know and those entering the service. Not a thesis paper for someone looking to nail the department on some legal hang up (ie.. BOB vs the reason he didn't get the job!). Good luck all


Yeah, I don't really understand the point of calling HR to find out?

Really, in the end who cares? I know for me, there were 2 conditionals then the medical. After the medical was cleared, the final offer.

Personally, I didn't care how many conditional offers they sent.

In the end, I didn't take the offer but that is another story.

[bluecollar$]

Guy.... Your blowing this out of perspective as always! What do you think a "Conditional Offer of Employment" is? It is conditional on passing one other part. It is not an Offer of Employment but a "Conditional" offer. The final offer is given after you take the Medical(not the Physical fit test). If you had been on this site following the process of those last year you would see that this is exactly how the process went. If you have a problem of them being labled "Conditional" then take it up with the department because that's exactly what they are labled as "Conditional". I really understand why those who got hired don't type on this site any longer because it really has strayed from what it was last year. I fun way of exchanging the process between good guys in the know and those entering the service. Not a thesis paper for someone looking to nail the department on some legal hang up (ie.. BOB vs the reason he didn't get the job!). Good luck all
This guy(justdoit) single handedly is trying to ruin this thread. Last hiring phase no problems everybody gave and took info for what it was worth. Please stop with the "inside info", we don't care. Some how we all took our COE for what it was, and we didn't need your full page explanation......I thought you got banned ? please JuststopwiththeuselessBS

[dtown101]

This guy(justdoit) single handedly is trying to ruin this thread. Last hiring phase no problems everybody gave and took info for what it was worth. Please stop with the "inside info", we don't care. Some how we all took our COE for what it was, and we didn't need your full page explanation......I thought you got banned ? please JuststopwiththeuselessBS


i thought at times giving "inside info" is what people want to hear...some of it may be useless and at times it may be good...keep it professional on here...

[Patrio72]

I am finalizing my KSA responses and have a couple of questions for ya'll.

1) Is the character limit with or without spaces?
2) How close are people coming to the 2,000 character limit?

Patriot72

[paul354]

I am finalizing my KSA responses and have a couple of questions for ya'll.

1) Is the character limit with or without spaces?
2) How close are people coming to the 2,000 character limit?

Patriot72

I did my KSAs including spaces (b/c I assume it's a text box issue). I usually did between 1300-1800 characters per box. If you think about it 2,000 characters is shy of 1/2 page, so like your resume - Short Sweet and To the Point.

This is just the way I did them, I'm sure others have different theories on this.

[uwfsam2000]

do you have to be LEO certified?

[Bearcat357]

do you have to be LEO certified?

It helps....but no.....no requirement to be a LEO.....

[kymaroon]

I did my KSAs including spaces (b/c I assume it's a text box issue).

It includes spaces...I had a few that were under the 2000 mark without spaces, and when I clicked to move on, it stopped me and told me to correct it.

[Ali G]

Bman- If given the choice I would say Atlanta hands down. NY/NJ and DC are very political and at times you have to walk with your back against the wall so a knife doesn't get stuck in it (especially DC). However, if you want the position bad enough you will take whatever they offer you.

Rumor is that ATL would be the best out of those three.

I don't know what you are talking about with DC being back stabbedy. I don't think that is true. I have heard the same rumor about HQ though from several different sources. WFO is not that bad. HQ may be a different story (I don't know about HQ since I have never been assigned there).

[jetset1]

To those FAMS. What could a FAM expect to make in per diem in the coarse of a month in say NY or NJ FO? Just curious on what kind of per diem everyone is talking about in terms of "a lot". Thanks for the info!

[PigsdoFly]

To those FAMS. What could a FAM expect to make in per diem in the coarse of a month in say NY or NJ FO? Just curious on what kind of per diem everyone is talking about in terms of "a lot". Thanks for the info!


You cant really put a number on this one because it all depends on what you are flying but with that said you could make 15-20K a year in per diem.

[jetset1]

You cant really put a number on this one because it all depends on what you are flying but with that said you could make 15-20K a year in per diem.


Thanks! One more question. Is there any reimbursement for things like Bridge/Road tolls going back and forth to the airport and the mileage that it takes(gov't rate at .55)to get to the airport? I doubt this but it's worth asking. Thanks!

[jchughes05]

I applied just to see what happens.

[NS1286]

You lose nothing by applying. I applied in 2008, got the e-mail saying they were done hiring, then got a call for transcripts in December and all I have left is the medical. Just goes to show you never know what will happen.

[PigsdoFly]

Thanks! One more question. Is there any reimbursement for things like Bridge/Road tolls going back and forth to the airport and the mileage that it takes(gov't rate at .55)to get to the airport? I doubt this but it's worth asking. Thanks!

Yes and no. Overnights yes you will get milage and tolls, but you may get tolls on out and backs as well. You could also get milage on out and backs if you are "passing" your FO on the way to the airport.

[jetset1]

Yes and no. Overnights yes you will get milage and tolls, but you may get tolls on out and backs as well. You could also get milage on out and backs if you are "passing" your FO on the way to the airport.


What would the odds be to change FO's after a year or two?:confused:

[jetset1]

ZERO. you will likely get a speech when you arrive to your new FO where they will explain that there are hundreds if not thousands of FAMS ahead of you in line for transfers. they will basically tell you that you should expect to wait at least 5 years to transfer FO's.

That said! There is a chance to go to another FO for sure but will only take about 5 years? Should one put in for it right from the start or does that matter? Thanks!

[manstown]

I don't know if things have changed, but after 3 years you could put in for a FO. The problem you would run into is if there is space at the other office and the needs of your current office. The new transfer policy came into effect back in '07 I think and there were a few things that had to be followed before you could put in and transfer.

[PigsdoFly]

I don't know if things have changed, but after 3 years you could put in for a FO. The problem you would run into is if there is space at the other office and the needs of your current office. The new transfer policy came into effect back in '07 I think and there were a few things that had to be followed before you could put in and transfer.

Yup right on the money. Others factors are you must be an I band, successful completion of probationary period, and no letters in your file.

[justdoitking]

Guys,

Have a read of this report..... many of the issues/concerns are being addressed. This report talks about some of the things we have questioned. :)

http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d09273.pdf

[justdoitking]

That said! There is a chance to go to another FO for sure but will only take about 5 years? Should one put in for it right from the start or does that matter? Thanks!

Do not think a transfer is automatically granted when your number from the 'deli counter' comes up. The process is complicated, but will get better I am sure. I know FAMS that have been on the transfer list and because of the staffing situation and other factors at their office, new hires got jobs at the FO they wanted to go to. It seems it may be an unwritten stop loss policy for some offices so to speak.

Keep in mind you will work for the G and that is a degree of unpredictability there. But as some one put it before "it is what it is".

[BD380]

I noticed that all applicants are required to sign a mobility agreement. Does anyone have any idea as to how frequently FAMs are reassigned based on the "needs of the agency" against their will? In other words, how common is it for a FAM to be invountarily reassigned to another FO?

[Ali G]

I noticed that all applicants are required to sign a mobility agreement. Does anyone have any idea as to how frequently FAMs are reassigned based on the "needs of the agency" against their will? In other words, how common is it for a FAM to be invountarily reassigned to another FO?

I can't speak for the entire agency, but I am about 99.98% positive that nobody has ever been involuntarily moved. The only real moves come along with promotions or internal lateral positions that come open (HQ gigs, K9, TSA HQ gigs, etc.) which, you would have to put in for. I feel comfortable telling you that you will definitely not need to worry about being involuntarily moved.

Oh, and I just saw your Pentagon police patch. If you apply for WFO, then I am 100% sure that you won't be moved unwillingly.

[Ali G]

Just applied for the open Federal Air Marshal opening. With a college degree in criminology and some work experience do I have a chance of getting in? I am trying to figure out how difficult it is to get hired on. Would you say as hard as other fed law enforcement agencies such as ATF, DEA, or Border Patrol? Thanks

It is really not a matter of harder or easier. This might be discouraging, but it all comes down to timing and how well you interview and write. You won't get a phone interview unless you really write some good KSAs. You won't get a panel interview unless you really do a good job on the phone interview.

The processes are all similar (although I would give the nod to ATF and DEA as the most rigorous processes). There are A LOT of applicants for each of the agencies you mentioned and I would say that the vast majority of applicants have AT LEAST a bachelors or a lot of work experience, or both. Sorry to say it, but it also helps if you are a girl.

My advice is to apply to everything you can and take whatever comes first. Hopefully, I sort of a little bit answered your question. Honestly, it really isn't something that can be answered by any one person.

[bman72]

Thanks for the replies. This my 2nd time applying,,,,but I am certified LEO now. Anyone know how much weight being certified holds toward the hiring decision?....I am also prior service with TSA '04,,,maybe that helps too.

[bman72]

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[PigsdoFly]

I am also prior service with TSA '04,,,maybe that helps too.

Were you a screener?

[PigsdoFly]

Thanks for the replies. This my 2nd time applying,,,,but I am certified LEO now. Anyone know how much weight being certified holds toward the hiring decision?

Having any exp. will help, but a state cert. doesn't mean anything to the G, sorry to say. Besides even if you were a prior Fed Leo they are not giving anymore waivers for Phase I, EVERYONE must complete all FAM training.

[vzllib3]

Are there any current FAMS in the Air National guard. I just applied yesterday and wanted to know how management was with you needing time off. Thanks for any help.

[PigsdoFly]

Are there any current FAMS in the Air National guard. I just applied yesterday and wanted to know how management was with you needing time off. Thanks for any help.

We have plenty of guys in the NG and the Reserves, and they are granted the 120 hours of military leave per year. Management has always seemed cool about it and besides legally it has to be granted. Sometimes you may run into that certain Sup. that doesn't like it.... it is what it is.

[manstown]

I think I know a certain Sup that gave reservists a hard time. But when push came to shove....he didn't have a leg to stand on with that arguement.

[NS1286]

Besides even if you were a prior Fed Leo they are not giving anymore waivers for Phase I, EVERYONE must complete all FAM training.

I have learned this the hard way.

[bman72]

PIGSDOFLY,,,
yeah for about 2 years. It was a good experience and I met some good folks.

[jchughes05]

Did anyone apply on USAJOBS? I got to the forms section when I was transferred to the TSA website, but there are no forms, just coversheets for them. Help!

[Up_On_Base]

Did anyone apply on USAJOBS? I got to the forms section when I was transferred to the TSA website, but there are no forms, just coversheets for them. Help!

All the forms should be available via USAJOBS or at TSA website.

There were 2 that were hard to find, but someone posted a link on here the other day. Is this what you need?

https://tsa.vitapowered.com/forms/signatureforms.pdf

[Patrio72]

Anyone else having problems with their application today or is it just me?

[jchughes05]

Up On Base, thanks!! Those are what I needed!!

[Up_On_Base]

Up On Base, thanks!! Those are what I needed!!

No worries bro, that is what I thought.

Hope you plan to move if you get WFO...that is about 95 miles each way from HDG to the FO...past 2 rush hours (Balt/DC)...yikes!

[jchughes05]

Yes, I plan on relocating. I was going to move from here anyway.

[BD380]

The TSA site only has the ability to print fax cover sheets for the Form 2811 and Form 2812. How are we supposed to submit the OF-306 and SF-50, which the vacancy announcement says are required documents?

[vzllib3]

Thanks for the help with national guard question, I just had one more can someone explain how the pay band system works? How long are you in a band? What Is the highest band you can achive as a FAM? Thanks for the help!

[Up_On_Base]

The TSA site only has the ability to print fax cover sheets for the Form 2811 and Form 2812. How are we supposed to submit the OF-306 and SF-50, which the vacancy announcement says are required documents?

At the end of the application there should be a series of documents.

Under fax, a cover page should pop up and let you print. Then fill out 306/etc and send via fax

[jchughes05]

thanks man!

[jchughes05]

I found a site that has all the OPM forms on it! Thank you Baby Jesus!

[Ali G]

I am in the process of sending in the require forms, I found the 2811 and 2812 form from the link given in this thread. Thank God. The 306 form is given at USA jobs. Transcripts I have as well. As for the dd-214, sf-15, sf-50, and VA letter.. I am not currently a federal employee and no military, so do I not need to send in these forms? sorry just making sure.. I feel like a jack*ss for asking. Thanks guys.

No, you won't be sending in the SF 50, sf 15, dd 214, or the va letter. Don't feel dumb. I think it took me three or so applications before I actually learned how to apply without being DQ'd because I messed up some part of the application process. The fed doesn't make things simple, that is for sure.

[BD380]

At the end of the application there should be a series of documents.

Under fax, a cover page should pop up and let you print. Then fill out 306/etc and send via fax

The only documents that are showing up at the end are the 2811 and 2812 with the option to print fax cover sheets. I have no idea how they want us to submit the OF-306 and SF-50 without a fax cover sheet to go along with them.

[Up_On_Base]

The only documents that are showing up at the end are the 2811 and 2812 with the option to print fax cover sheets. I have no idea how they want us to submit the OF-306 and SF-50 without a fax cover sheet to go along with them.

Go back into USAJOBS.gov, update your application and at the end print the forms...hope that works

[ayden0526]

LOL...somebody mentioned earlier the amount of people applying......there are enough people on the forum right now to fill up ONE full class.

[AzPilot]

Previously in this (very large thread), I've seen multiple mentions of 20/100 uncorrected in each eye as the FAMS standard. The FAA class II medical standards specify 20/20 distant vision in each eye (corrected or uncorrected).

Does FAMS require that each eye correct independently to 20/20, in-line with the Class II medical standards? I ask this because many other federal agencies require 20/20 binocular vision, but allow a "weaker eye" to be 20/30 (ATF), or 20/40.

[vzllib3]

Does anyone know what the 2811, 2812 forms are for?

[paul354]

Does anyone know what the 2811, 2812 forms are for?

they are disclosures for release of the credit history and FICA.

[Patrio72]

I have been unable to view/update my application since this afternoon. I start on USAjobs and locate the announcement. In the announcement, I click on the "How To Apply" tab and then click the
"Apply Online" button. I highlight my resume and click the "Apply For
this Position Now" button. I am redirected to the TSA website but receive
the following error message:

"We were unable to complete your request at this time.
Please return to USAJOBS and place your request again".

Is the TSA web site down? I contacted the TSA Help Desk earlier today and they were of no help! They had 3 scripted questions (name, email, phone #) then told me it was USAjobs and not them....:confused:

Anybody else having trouble connecting?
https://jobs.mgsapps.monster.com/tsa/accountupdate/accountInfo!input.hms

I even tried Firefox but got the same message. wtf...

Patriot72 :mad:

[justdoitking]

Previously in this (very large thread), I've seen multiple mentions of 20/100 uncorrected in each eye as the FAMS standard. The FAA class II medical standards specify 20/20 distant vision in each eye (corrected or uncorrected).

Does FAMS require that each eye correct independently to 20/20, in-line with the Class II medical standards? I ask this because many other federal agencies require 20/20 binocular vision, but allow a "weaker eye" to be 20/30 (ATF), or 20/40.

You will find FAMS use an abridged version of the Airmens' Certification and that each decision is a case by case basis now. I know of a current FAM who briefly had an issue under the FAA class II medical standards was an absolute dis qualifier and was cleared by xx and xx to continue on with normal duties. Do not let that stop you from applying or you may miss your chance.

[kymaroon]

I couldn't find the requirement for 20/100 corrected anywhere in the FAA class II medical standards...is this something that is specific to FAMS or has it changed since those posts mentioning is many, many pages ago?

[rbakous1]

I have been unable to view/update my application since this afternoon. I start on USAjobs and locate the announcement. In the announcement, I click on the "How To Apply" tab and then click the
"Apply Online" button. I highlight my resume and click the "Apply For
this Position Now" button. I am redirected to the TSA website but receive
the following error message:

"We were unable to complete your request at this time.
Please return to USAJOBS and place your request again".

Is the TSA web site down? I contacted the TSA Help Desk earlier today and they were of no help! They had 3 scripted questions (name, email, phone #) then told me it was USAjobs and not them....:confused:

Anybody else having trouble connecting?
https://jobs.mgsapps.monster.com/tsa/accountupdate/accountInfo!input.hms

I even tried Firefox but got the same message. wtf...

Patriot72 :mad:

You have to go through USA Jobs to access your application.

[justdoitking]

I couldn't find the requirement for 20/100 corrected anywhere in the FAA class II medical standards...is this something that is specific to FAMS or has it changed since those posts mentioning is many, many pages ago?

This company is reputable and used by a lot of commercial pilots for medical advice etc. browse around the site for information on Airmens' Certifications

http://www.leftseat.com/FAAforms.htm

[robousmc]

nice to see some of you guys again.... this thread has changed a little since last year and the system too. For last year applicants is the new hiring system better or worse then the old one ? I remember avue being a pain in the butt sometimes....

[jchughes05]

All OPM forms:

http://www.opm.gov/forms/html/sf.asp (Standard)
http://www.opm.gov/forms/html/of.asp (Optional)
http://www.opm.gov/forms/html/opm.asp (OPM forms)

[kymaroon]

This company is reputable and used by a lot of commercial pilots for medical advice etc. browse around the site for information on Airmens' Certifications

http://www.leftseat.com/FAAforms.htm

I've looked on that site already and couldn't find anything regarding the 20/100. Additionally, there wasn't anything about it in the actual standards: http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=a6bc5fb4137863e936f7520bfc73c37c&rgn=div6&view=text&node=14:2.0.1.1.5.3&idno=14 . So is it something that FAMS requires even though it isn't set forth in the guidelines?

[UpintheSky]

Hey guys I'm new to the forum and just wanted to say hey and congrats on some of you getting the call.

I have been flying for almost a year out of the Northeast. I had to move from the Midwest so that was a little difficult. If any of you have any questions about the job or what to expect let me know. I went through FLETC and ACY less than a year ago.

Good Luck and watch over one another...

[shawal16]

Does anyone know what the 2811, 2812 forms are for?

Do you have to submit these forms when you are applying?

[FCAP_2008]

I did not see anything about 2811 or 2812 forums in the posting. I hope I do not have to go through this whole process again but I have a feeling that they are going to scrap all of Avue's work. I thought I did very well last year. I knew that this job was very competitive but I had no clue that even if you finished the whole process your chances of getting on are very slim. I am still hoping over here. Send me anywhere I am ready. :D

[Quick2352]

I did not see anything about 2811 or 2812 forums in the posting. I hope I do not have to go through this whole process again but I have a feeling that they are going to scrap all of Avue's work. I thought I did very well last year. I knew that this job was very competitive but I had no clue that even if you finished the whole process your chances of getting on are very slim. I am still hoping over here. Send me anywhere I am ready. :D

Check my posting on page #224.

[LS1]

Got the call today! :cool:

[BD380]

After faxing the required documents, how long does it typically take to receive the e-mail confirmation? I faxed them about 30 minutes ago and have not yet received the e-mail confirmation.

[justdoitking]

Got the call today! :cool:

Congrats

East Coast?

[LS1]

Congrats

East Coast?

Affirmative.

[UpintheSky]

Its a good office you will like it out here...

[paul354]

Got the call today! :cool:

Congratz! from 2008 posting?

[paul354]

After faxing the required documents, how long does it typically take to receive the e-mail confirmation? I faxed them about 30 minutes ago and have not yet received the e-mail confirmation.

Wait about 1-hr. Their fax server is probably overloaded with apps. Espc. today being the last day of the announcement. If I'm not mistaken, the instructions stated to wait 2 hours, if not e-mail confirmation in 2 hrs resend the docs.

[LS1]

Congratz! from 2008 posting?

Yes. 1 year from initial application to employment is pretty damn good, all things considered.

[BD380]

Wait about 1-hr. Their fax server is probably overloaded with apps. Espc. today being the last day of the announcement. If I'm not mistaken, the instructions stated to wait 2 hours, if not e-mail confirmation in 2 hrs resend the docs.

It's now been about 2 hours, still no confirmation. I just called the TSA Help Desk and they said that I might not receive an e-mail confirmation until tomorrow. When I asked if this would affect my application, she said no. I hope she's right... I might resend these things just in case.

[paul354]

yea, resending them may be a good idea. I can't even log into the TSA Website to see my "job status" -- I wanted to make sure my application is still there. I'm having nightmares about some "technical bug" deleting my application like at Avue.

[Up_On_Base]

Yes. 1 year from initial application to employment is pretty damn good, all things considered.

EWR is the best place out there from what I hear.

When I was offered WFO, I tried to switch to EWR...got denied.

Hopefully, I will get through this process again and get EWR...it's the only FO I listed this time. I processed out of there, great people.

The PT instructor up there is hardcore but seemed like an excellent person if you are squared away.

[FCAP_2008]

Congrats on the call. Glad to hear there are calls going out. It seems like it is a great job.

[BD380]

So I finally got the confirmation e-mail saying that my documents arrived.... only took them 3 hours...

[jchughes05]

Crapass!!! I wont be able to fax my stuff till I go to work tonite at 11:45!!!

[jchughes05]

UGH no online fillable 2811s or 2812s!!!!

[dtown101]

n/m...............

[TheKansan]

So I finally got the confirmation e-mail saying that my documents arrived.... only took them 3 hours...

I faxed my docs over a month ago and never received any sort of confirmation email.

[Kappa98]

Hello all,

I got the call about two weeks ago! For those recently hired, what type of shoes are you bringing for phase one training? I was told that you are provided with a pair for phase two, but not Artesia... Also, out of curiosity what do they have you doing in the field office before heading to training? To those still in the process, best of luck!

[wannafly]

hi, been reading this forum since last year when i appiled. i have reapplied again , i also faxed my documents (twice) and never recieved any type of confirmation email ???? is this normal?

[jchughes05]

I recv'd my confirmation emails in less than an hour after faxing my docs.

[Markb1983]

Hey everyone, I have tried to research this forum for my answer but i cant find it. So here is my question.

Are air marshals sworn Law Enforcement Officers, or do they only have arrest powers when on an aircraft.

Also are Air Marshals able to carry off duty or do they need to get a permit like any normal civilan?

[ignignokt373]

Are air marshals sworn Law Enforcement Officers, or do they only have arrest powers when on an aircraft.

Federal Air Marshals are Federal Law Enforcement Officers.

Also are Air Marshals able to carry off duty or do they need to get a permit like any normal civilan?

Federal Air Marshals are allowed to carry off-duty on their Credentials.

[911fedz]

Federal Air Marshals are the real deal. The have arrest powers without warrant, when on duty and off..... go to the TSA website they have more on the site....

[Supersonic527]

Anyone interested in a career in law enforcement should do some research on the H.R. 218. It was signed by President Bush in 2004 and allows ALL qualified retired and active law enforcement officers to carry anywhere in the US.

[jchughes05]

Indeed it does. And I actively support it!

[Markb1983]

Hey thanks for the info. I have been told that federal law enforcement officers have no power outside federal facilities. For example. FPS police cannont carry or arrest unless they are on a federal building. I was told the same for federal air marshals.

[911fedz]

If you read the hr218 it is law. Now you have some agency with there on policies about off duty. But if you see a crime in progress it is your duty as a law enforcement officer to act, now you can assist your fellow officers or you can call 911. Take your pick, but you have to do something..... It will be a shame to see your fellow officer being killed in the line of duty..... over a sinceless crime.....

[wannafly]

ok talked to tsa help desk today, they have my faxes. i was advised that not everyone got an email stating that the faxes had been received. who knows why. seems there is always a different way every time you apply and for different people. WHO KNOWS

[gonefishin]

Federal Air Marshals are Federal Law Enforcement Officers.



Federal Air Marshals are allowed to carry off-duty on their Credentials.

Air Marshals also have special powers...such as telekinesis...it says so on their creds

[ignignokt373]

Air Marshals also have special powers...such as telekinesis...it says so on their creds

My bad. I forgot to add that and the fact that they all have special ninja powers and are personally taught Martial Arts by Chuck Norris. ;)

[BD380]

Hey thanks for the info. I have been told that federal law enforcement officers have no power outside federal facilities. For example. FPS police cannont carry or arrest unless they are on a federal building. I was told the same for federal air marshals.

That is completely false. Whoever told you that has no idea what they're talking about...

[TXICE]

That is completely false. Whoever told you that has no idea what they're talking about...

It's true that FPS has no off duty carry authority.

[BD380]

It's true that FPS has no off duty carry authority.

That only applies to their duty weapon. They can carry a personal weapon off-duty on their creds pursuant to HR218/LEOSA.

[Ali G]

That only applies to their duty weapon. They can carry a personal weapon off-duty on their creds pursuant to HR218/LEOSA.

Peoples, FPS 1811s have off duty carry (like pretty much all 1811s), but the inspectors/officers can't carry duty weapons off duty. They can, like someone said, carry their personal owned weapons.

[lauderdalehawk4]

Anybody know if FAMS offer tuition reimbursement?

If so how much and how difficult is it?

[justdoitking]

Anyone interested in a career in law enforcement should do some research on the H.R. 218. It was signed by President Bush in 2004 and allows ALL qualified retired and active law enforcement officers to carry anywhere in the US.

Keep in mind FAMS do not issue retirement credentials or other similar documentation to 'All Qualified Retirees' as identified in H.R. 218.:o If you are one of the many who are medically retired from the FAMS for duty related ilness/injury forget it!

[Ali G]

Anybody know if FAMS offer tuition reimbursement?

If so how much and how difficult is it?

No tuition reimbursement. It is a TSA issue. TSA doesn't have the money and neither does their office of law enforcement (FAMS). The issue has been brought up for years and leadership continues to say that they know it would be a good thing, but the money isn't there either for TSA or the FAMS. Honestly, I think tuition reimbursement would be at the bottom of a long list of programs that would be under consideration for funds allocation.

It may happen eventually, but I wouldn't hold my breath. That said, if you manage your money correctly, you could pay for a B.S. or an M.S. using only your per diem (travel pay).

[dtown101]

Hey thanks for the info. I have been told that federal law enforcement officers have no power outside federal facilities. For example. FPS police cannont carry or arrest unless they are on a federal building. I was told the same for federal air marshals.

whoever is giving you this information i wouldnt call them reliable at all....Completely FALSE

[lauderdalehawk4]

No tuition reimbursement. It is a TSA issue. TSA doesn't have the money and neither does their office of law enforcement (FAMS). The issue has been brought up for years and leadership continues to say that they know it would be a good thing, but the money isn't there either for TSA or the FAMS. Honestly, I think tuition reimbursement would be at the bottom of a long list of programs that would be under consideration for funds allocation.

It may happen eventually, but I wouldn't hold my breath. That said, if you manage your money correctly, you could pay for a B.S. or an M.S. using only your per diem (travel pay).

Thanks for the info, agree probably on the bottom of the list of things needed but good to know.

[jchughes05]

Well, all the paperwork is in, now we wait.

[Short-Round]

Hey when you get hired by FAMS do they teach you telekenisis or is it that you have to already posses a natural talent for it? And if you don't do you just get trained in Ninja Assassin techniques?

[jchughes05]

O/T Post, Plz delete.

[9.11NeverForget]

Hey when you get hired by FAMS do they teach you telekenisis or is it that you have to already posses a natural talent for it? And if you don't do you just get trained in Ninja Assassin techniques?

To be a competitive applicant you really need to already be highly skilled in both... we were supposed to cover that in a couple of the KSA's, remember? If you left it out of yours I guess that gives me a better shot at the job! :D

[Fedman 111]

Did we have to submit forms 2811 and 2812? I didn't see them in the list of required documents. I know it's better to be safe than sorry but I didn't see them in the required documents list on USAJOBS.

[Savcop]

Did we have to submit forms 2811 and 2812? I didn't see them in the list of required documents. I know it's better to be safe than sorry but I didn't see them in the required documents list on USAJOBS.

I didn't submit those either as I did not see them listed in the required documents list as well.

[Up_On_Base]

I didn't submit those either as I did not see them listed in the required documents list as well.

They were on the last page of the application...I think.

If not, I would not worry too much

[jchughes05]

I thought those 2 WERE req'd? I submitted those and there was a 3rd one.

[skigun75]

I asked on here and never really got an answer. I scoured the application and never found any mention of these forms. The only reason I knew anything about them was this forum. So I called the HR help desk and the guy said that they were required when they were required. Not necessarily at application time, but sometime after. He said to fax or email to speed up the application process. I have no idea if he is correct or not, but I faxed and emailed, just to be safe. Hopefully.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

I wonder how many current FAMS come to this thread to check out all of our speculation...and I wonder how ahrd they laugh!!!! Good luck to all!

I dont laugh but wonder why so many of you would kill for this job. I will bet any of you a hundred bucks that after 6 months of flying as a FAM you will want to leave for another law enforcement job. I bet you ask why I am still here after almost 7 years. I stay cause of my kids. The money is GREAT and I am safe from getting shot doing a traffic stop here. The job is probably one of the safeest LEO jobs out.

[jchughes05]

How about if you CAME from another law enforcement job?? Would this be a bad decision for someone like myself from a local city agency?

[Nick331]

How about if you CAME from another law enforcement job?? Would this be a bad decision for someone like myself from a local city agency?

We have the same last name :)

[jetset1]

I dont laugh but wonder why so many of you would kill for this job. I will bet any of you a hundred bucks that after 6 months of flying as a FAM you will want to leave for another law enforcement job. I bet you ask why I am still here after almost 7 years. I stay cause of my kids. The money is GREAT and I am safe from getting shot doing a traffic stop here. The job is probably one of the safeest LEO jobs out.


That post from gonefishin was from 2005!!!! Now that's dedication to reading the thread!

[jchughes05]

We have the same last name :)


Thats wicked awesome.

[Navalaircrewman]

Are there any current FAMS in the Air National guard. I just applied yesterday and wanted to know how management was with you needing time off. Thanks for any help.

I am a reservist and since the brief time I've been here, I've had no problems getting the military leave time off.

[GuyinCali]

I am a reservist and since the brief time I've been here, I've had no problems getting the military leave time off.

Naval, how you doing, so how are you liking the job? You got in last year, correct?

[Nick331]

Thats wicked awesome.

Haha ain't it? Well Mr. Hughes, have a good night.

[jchughes05]

You too, Mr. Hughes

[Navalaircrewman]

Naval, how you doing, so how are you liking the job? You got in last year, correct?

I did and everything is going great!

[Savcop]

I did and everything is going great!

Well, thats refreshing to hear considering all the horror stories out there.

And, as far as those forms being required or not. I searched the detailed FAMs job description for a very long time. I could not find anything that said those two forms were required documents for application submission.

[jchughes05]

How about if you CAME from another law enforcement job?? Would this be a bad decision for someone like myself from a local city agency?

So, whattaya folks say?

[Capt Caveman]

What do any of the Air Marshalls that have families like the job? Does anyone know what the colorvision requirements are?

[bigdogoreo]

Just applied and listed Chicago and DC as geo preferences. I know DC is high on the list for getting filled per previous responses, is Chicago a location that they are looking to fill as well?

Thanks and here's to all of you getting the call, as long as I do too!

[Global]

What do any of the Air Marshalls that have families like the job? Does anyone know what the colorvision requirements are?

I think its normal color vision, but not 100%.
I have been flying for a few years now and here some of my thoughts concerning family:
1. Be very clear to your spouse that with this job comes a change in lifestyle. There is no picking up last minute groceries on your way home. there is no attending parent teacher conferences or back to school night on a regular and predictable basis. You will not be able to help out around the house.
You will be working a ton of hours, often not in contact with your family
2. Your sleeping habits will change a lot. What I wouldn't give for 8 solid hours on a regular basis.
3. Many times on your first day off you will be too tired to do anything but rest, that means mowing the lawn, cleaning the garage, etc. has to be done in one day. That means less quality family time.
4. A typical workweek consists of a trip or two of a minus 4 hrs time change then maybe another plus 8 hrs time change to end your week.Try and stay in your own local time whenever possible. This helps on your days off.
5. Make sure to stay fit, absolutely vital.
Again being in the gym takes time away from wife and kids so try to work out when you are traveling.

I could go on and on. But the point is this Make sure you discuss taking the job with your spouse in great detail before saying yes to the job.[/B]

[paul354]

First, I wanted to thank all the FAMs who are active in this forum. It really is an "informative tool" in learning more about the position.

Do you think that having a Masters Degree and high GPA in the LE Field would give me a boost in the selection process (no on the job LEO experience though, just education)?

Thanks all, have a great weekend.

[Ali G]

First, I wanted to thank all the FAMs who are active in this forum. It really is an "informative tool" in learning more about the position.

Do you think that having a Masters Degree and high GPA in the LE Field would give me a boost in the selection process (no on the job LEO experience though, just education)?

Thanks all, have a great weekend.

Sorry to be the bearer/bairer/barer of bad news, but your GPA probably won't be that big of a deal. They might not even notice it. A Masters is a good thing though.

[Tac]

Got the call, filled out the paperwork. EOD 3/2/09

[jchughes05]

Good luck!

[PigsdoFly]

[QUOTE=paul354;1667991]Do you think that having a Masters Degree and high GPAQUOTE]

This might help for "J" Band (Sup) if you get in. :D

[PigsdoFly]

I did and everything is going great!

Im surprised your still around......:D jk

[PigsdoFly]

The job is probably one of the safeest LEO jobs out.

Not if you want an extra life insurance policy, they were gonna charge me an arm and a leg.

[paul354]

Got the call, filled out the paperwork. EOD 3/2/09

Congratz!

[paul354]

[QUOTE=paul354;1667991]Do you think that having a Masters Degree and high GPAQUOTE]

This might help for "J" Band (Sup) if you get in. :D

I just want to get in (at any level)

[justdoitking]

Got the call, filled out the paperwork. EOD 3/2/09

Congrats!:) Did you get a office of choice?

TAC when did you complete your medical examination?

How many others are out there that completed their medical examination and are awaiting a call?

[911fedz]

I'm still waiting on the that final call, FONY.. can any FAM let me know if this will stop me from passing my background. I had a judgement for $1112.00 but I wrote it down on my form 86, i set up payment plan. Will this delay my background......

[GuyinCali]

Congrats!:) Did you get a office of choice?

TAC when did you complete your medical examination?

How many others are out there that completed their medical examination and are awaiting a call?


TAC, Congrats....

Count me in on the waiting list or is there still a list???

I completed all steps including medical: March '08 LAFO.

I also completed the medical back in '06 at WFO.

Just waiting on the call for an EOD....

[Tac]

When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on....

This Sept will mark 3 YEARS since I first put in my app.
Not a raving fan of Avue....

Good luck all you applicants,
if you want it bad enough, you make it happen....

[jetset1]

I'm still waiting on the that final call, FONY.. can any FAM let me know if this will stop me from passing my background. I had a judgement for $1112.00 but I wrote it down on my form 86, i set up payment plan. Will this delay my background......


No, it's fine! I'm not a FAM but can say that as long if you set up payment plans and you put it on your SF86 you should be fine.

[jetset1]

TAC, Congrats....

Count me in on the waiting list or is there still a list???

I completed all steps including medical: March '08 LAFO.

I also completed the medical back in '06 at WFO.

Just waiting on the call for an EOD....

Are you talking about the PTA or the Medical? It is my understanding that when you do the Medical you get the answer that day. Anyone out there that can confirm?

[GuyinCali]

When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on....

This Sept will mark 3 YEARS since I first put in my app.
Not a raving fan of Avue....

Good luck all you applicants,
if you want it bad enough, you make it happen....

I think we were on the same boat!!!

Here is my timeline:

July 31, 2006 Panel Interveiw & UA Test @ LAFO
August 4, 2006 Attended WFO Hiring (Interview, SAC, UA, PTA & Medical)
September 2006 Re-Applied
May 2007 Panel Interview & UA Test @ LAFO
January 23, 08 Reapplied
March 03, 08 Medical & UA Test
March 12, 08 BI eQip Completed
March 13, 08 Fingerprints
March 24, 08 PTA and SAC informal meet LAFO
March 28, 08 Contacted by HQ, fax info from my DD214
April 4, 08 Completed Phone Interview (2008 announcement)
April 8, 08 COE
April 23, 08 Completed Assessment Date at LAFO
January 20, 09 Re-Applied 2009 Announcement....

I tied that knot years back and holding on tight.... Just need the to phone to ring with the call for an EOD...

[Up_On_Base]

I think we were on the same boat!!!

Here is my timeline:

July 31, 2006 Panel Interveiw & UA Test @ LAFO
August 4, 2006 Attended WFO Hiring (Interview, SAC, UA, PTA & Medical)
September 2006 Re-Applied
May 2007 Panel Interview & UA Test @ LAFO
January 23, 08 Reapplied
March 03, 08 Medical & UA Test
March 12, 08 BI eQip Completed
March 13, 08 Fingerprints
March 24, 08 PTA and SAC informal meet LAFO
March 28, 08 Contacted by HQ, fax info from my DD214
April 4, 08 Completed Phone Interview (2008 announcement)
April 8, 08 COE
April 23, 08 Completed Assessment Date at LAFO
January 20, 09 Re-Applied 2009 Announcement....

I tied that knot years back and holding on tight.... Just need the to phone to ring with the call for an EOD...

Dude - You should contact the FO and HR...someone lost you stuff IMO

[GuyinCali]

Are you talking about the PTA or the Medical? It is my understanding that when you do the Medical you get the answer that day. Anyone out there that can confirm?

Both, '06 at WFO, and '08 LAFO, completed my PTA then my Medical.
I'm not sure about getting the call the day you do the medical, cause you do all the medical exams on one day then go back a week later and sit with the Dr. or that is how I did it, and I got a thumbs up...

So not sure about getting the call the same day you complete your medical. Can anyone answer that???

Praying on the call.

Good Luck!

[Kappa98]

You do not get the call the same day as the medical, but you do get a pass or fail confirmation that same day. Of course this is only if you choose to have your medical done with the FAMS medical staff rather than a local FOH clinic in your area.

[mjcek]

Can anyone give me a firm answer as to whether or not Type 1 diabetes (insulin-dependent) is an AUTOMATIC DQ, or is it case-by-case?

[justdoitking]

Can anyone give me a firm answer as to whether or not Type 1 diabetes (insulin-dependent) is an AUTOMATIC DQ, or is it case-by-case?

Diabetes Mellitus, is one of those that no one except the FAM Medical Division will be able to answer. However, each case is a case by case basis, although they use a set of standards, they may not apply them as a blanket policy. I have never known a FAM to be insulin dependent.

However I knew a supervisor who was dependent, but I believe they are under a different set of medical standards.

Federal Law Enforcement struggles with this one because the nature of the duties. I have attached a recent decision that highlights this with a different DHS agency. http://www.mspb.gov/netsearch/viewdocs.aspx?docnumber=323991&version=324439&application=ACROBAT

[LS1]

Can anyone give me a firm answer as to whether or not Type 1 diabetes (insulin-dependent) is an AUTOMATIC DQ, or is it case-by-case?

Insulin-dependent diabetes is disqualifying.

[dtown101]

I think we were on the same boat!!!

Here is my timeline:

July 31, 2006 Panel Interveiw & UA Test @ LAFO
August 4, 2006 Attended WFO Hiring (Interview, SAC, UA, PTA & Medical)
September 2006 Re-Applied
May 2007 Panel Interview & UA Test @ LAFO
January 23, 08 Reapplied
March 03, 08 Medical & UA Test
March 12, 08 BI eQip Completed
March 13, 08 Fingerprints
March 24, 08 PTA and SAC informal meet LAFO
March 28, 08 Contacted by HQ, fax info from my DD214
April 4, 08 Completed Phone Interview (2008 announcement)
April 8, 08 COE
April 23, 08 Completed Assessment Date at LAFO
January 20, 09 Re-Applied 2009 Announcement....

I tied that knot years back and holding on tight.... Just need the to phone to ring with the call for an EOD...

i agree with uponbase...you need to call the FO

[justdoitking]

I think we were on the same boat!!!

Here is my timeline:

July 31, 2006 Panel Interveiw & UA Test @ LAFO
August 4, 2006 Attended WFO Hiring (Interview, SAC, UA, PTA & Medical)
September 2006 Re-Applied
May 2007 Panel Interview & UA Test @ LAFO
January 23, 08 Reapplied
March 03, 08 Medical & UA Test
March 12, 08 BI eQip Completed
March 13, 08 Fingerprints
March 24, 08 PTA and SAC informal meet LAFO
March 28, 08 Contacted by HQ, fax info from my DD214
April 4, 08 Completed Phone Interview (2008 announcement)
April 8, 08 COE
April 23, 08 Completed Assessment Date at LAFO
January 20, 09 Re-Applied 2009 Announcement....

I tied that knot years back and holding on tight.... Just need the to phone to ring with the call for an EOD...

Is this a FO issue or HR issue? Who can PM Guyin cali someones contact details in HR to follow up on this? Surely they must of lost your records!

[911fedz]

You will never know about the FAMS, when you will get the call. You just make sure that everything is good with your background, medical and credit. I will tell you that a lot of FAMS are leaving and alot is in line for employment and just make sure you are marketable on your application, do good on the phone interviews, panel interview, PTA, writing test and observation test, and SAC interview, when you finally get that call.....

[Navalaircrewman]

Im surprised your still around......:D jk

FUNNY!!

[BPD Once]

FUNNY!!

Navalaircrewman: What's up ballbag? :p Surprised to see you on here still.:D

[PigsdoFly]

Can anyone give me a firm answer as to whether or not Type 1 diabetes (insulin-dependent) is an AUTOMATIC DQ, or is it case-by-case?


Case by case.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

Not if you want an extra life insurance policy, they were gonna charge me an arm and a leg.

What! I have three policies, 4 including the FAM one. One is a 10 year term for $250,000 for 11 dollars a month. Second one is for $500,000 for 15 years and it costs me 30 a month. And 1 million with MetLife for 20 years term for only $51 a month.

Why so many, I am not sure but I have a heck of a lot of kids so I want them taken care of if I get killed while eating those airline peanuts.

I did make sure the underwriters are aware of the job I do. Ask questions like if you are covered for any type of deaths, gunshot, plane crash, explosions due to bombs, terrorism, etc.

It also helps that you are in top physical shape when the medical is done to get the best rate.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

Case by case.

We had one guy get diabetes while here and they got rid of him. The office tried to fire him because they thought maybe he had it before he got hired. I don’t know how he left but he is no longer a FAM due to the fact he needed daily shots.

[911fedz]

U may get an e-mail saying u if you qualify then u will get a call from the local FO and they will set up a phone interview, then a panel if you pass the phone, and then just hold your breath from there... until next step.....

[911fedz]

Not Exactly, Just Be Looking Out For It, U May Want To Call Them As Well The Number That Was On The Annoucement.

[paul354]

Where can we go to check the status on the application? I know that AVUE had a little section where it said what was qualified for etc.

[911fedz]

That I Could Not Tell You With The New System.....

[911fedz]

I think several weeks did you recieve an email letting you know that they had to amend the annoucement before it closed...insert something about the PTA in there if I remember.....

[paul354]

I think several weeks did you recieve an email letting you know that they had to amend the annoucement before it closed...insert something about the PTA in there if I remember.....

Yes, I did get receive the e-mails that went out to amend the announcement. So I guess that is a good indication that they have my application on file somewhere. It still would be nice to know if I passed the pre-screening.

Also, can anyone confirm/deny the new study about the FAM program and the rumor that it's in danger of being "folded"?

[Ali G]

Yes, I did get receive the e-mails that went out to amend the announcement. So I guess that is a good indication that they have my application on file somewhere. It still would be nice to know if I passed the pre-screening.

Also, can anyone confirm/deny the new study about the FAM program and the rumor that it's in danger of being "folded"?

I can't think of a way to say this without sounding like a jerk, so I won't try. It has not been a "program" for a long time. It is a "Service." You might offend some of the old heads by calling it a program. I know it sounds kind of silly. It is kind of like the thing where you refer to Marshals as Marshalls. It's just bad form.

What study are you talking about? There was a recent report about the FAMS from the Government Accountability Office, but I definitely didn't see anything about the service folding within that report.

Anyway, by "folding" do you mean squashed completely? Or do you mean that it will be turned in to something else? We are the law enforcement arm of TSA, so unless TSA thinks it can get by without any LE (highly unlikely), I don't think the Service is going anywhere. The only talk I have heard is of the service expanding... significantly.

Did I misunderstand what you meant by "folding?"

[paul354]

so i guess the rumors that I heard were not true...Thanks

[911fedz]

Just like the U.S. Marshals, FBI, DEA, ATF, BOP and all other Federal Law Enforcement was signed into order that means they will be around..... Look on the bright side if you get in now and they (fold) supposingly ;lol; no point intented you will always have a job with the RIFF. The government will have to move you within..... NO THE FAMS ARE HERE TO STAY.........AND
X-SPANDING

[911fedz]

(thereaperman) I hope this helps you!!!! This is the e-mail...
Dear Applicant:

> Recently, you were advised of an amendment to the position of Federal Air Marshal, SV-1801-G, with the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), vacancy announcement number FAM-F09-F001. There has been a large response requesting additional information regarding this announcement. In an effort to address those questions, we have prepared some “frequently asked questions” (below) to assist you. We hope this information is helpful and appreciate your interest in employment with the Transportation Security Administration.
If you have additional questions, please contact the TSA HR Help Desk at:

Phone: 877-872-7990
Fax: 877-872-7993
TDD: 877-872-7992
Email: Helpdesk@TSA-HRAccess.com



TRANSPORTATION SECURITY ADMINISTRATION
FEDERAL AIR MARSHAL SERVICE
VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT FAM-F009-F001
RESPONSES TO FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS

1. Application

Q. Now that the vacancy announcementFAM-F009-F001 has been amended, do I need to reapply?
R. If you have already applied for this position under vacancy announcement FAM-F009-F001, you do not need to submit another application.

2. Forms

Q. How do I submit the required forms?
R. You will be prompted to submit the required documents as part of the online application process. You can also return to your application, prior to the closing date of the vacancy announcement, to submit required documents.

3. Eligibility

Q. Are there any exceptions to the age requirement for this position, I believe that I am exempt from the age limitation/requirement, etc.
R. If you are interested in being considered for this position, we encourage you to submit your application and documents, as required, by the closing date of the vacancy announcement. Once the vacancy announcement has closed, your application and documents will be reviewed and a determination will be made regarding your eligibility for this position.

Q. I am a member of the armed forces on active duty – am I eligible to apply for this position, and will I receive veterans’ preference?
R. If you are interested in being considered for this position, we encourage you to submit your application and documents, as required, by the closing date of the vacancy announcement. If you are qualified to receive veteran’s preference, you will be given tentative preference and will be required to submit your DD-214 at time of appointment. Once the vacancy announcement has closed, your application and documents will be reviewed and a determination will be made regarding your eligibility for this position.

1. Physical Training Assessment

Q. When and where will the Physical Training Assessment take place?
R. Applicants who are invited to participate in this phase of the assessment process will receive further instructions as to when and where to report for the PTA.
Q. What are the requirements for passing the various parts of the PTA?
R. This phase of the evaluation is not a pass/fail assessment. It is intended to evaluate your overall physical fitness.

POST-HIRE EMPLOYMENT

1. Training

Q. If selected for this position, when and where will training take place?
R. Candidates who are selected for Federal Air Marshal positions will be notified as to when and where to report for training once they have been instructed to report for duty.

[PigsdoFly]

We had one guy get diabetes while here and they got rid of him. The office tried to fire him because they thought maybe he had it before he got hired. I don’t know how he left but he is no longer a FAM due to the fact he needed daily shots.

I did some research on this today. It all depends on the how bad it really is, and can you get it "under" control, then FAM medical will evaluate you and your file and make a determination.

[davidh304]

What study are you talking about? There was a recent report about the FAMS from the Government Accountability Office, but I definitely didn't see anything about the service folding within that report.

The GAO report was very interesting.

[Navalaircrewman]

Navalaircrewman: What's up ballbag? :p Surprised to see you on here still.:D

Whazzup? well, what else is there to do by yourself while away on trips, do physical training? or do the surfing of the net? I prefer the 2nd (kidding)

[BPD Once]

Whazzup? well, what else is there to do by yourself while away on trips, do physical training? or do the surfing of the net? I prefer the 2nd (kidding)

I hear you loud and clear. Enjoy the flying and keep in touch with yourself.:eek:

[wannafly]

got an email today saying my application was received and and same was being reviewed. hope to hear something soon, phone interview next i guess??

[paul354]

I got the same e-mail. I'm crossing my fingers with you to hear something back.

[skigun75]

must be one mass email out to all applicants? i received the same one. i am dying to know the time frame on all of this. i would hate to have to wait 2 years to find out I'm in or out

[Savcop]

I received the email too.

[Fedman 111]

I also got it......

Thank you for submitting an application for employment with the
Transportation Security Administration (TSA) Office of Law Enforcement/Federal
Air Marshal Service. This email is confirmation that we have received
your application for the Federal Air Marshal (FAM) position, SV-1801-G,
vacancy announcement FAM-F09-F001...........

[BD380]

I received it as well.

[Agent A-Hop]

just got my e-mail..along with everyone else today...i guess all we can do now is stay positive and just wait

[iron_warrior]

got my e-mail too. best of luck to everyone & hope to meet u in artesia!

[500pearl]

When I initially applied in January, I did not receive anything confirming the receipt of my application. But I also received the fore-mentioned email.
Is this email sent to all applicants or only to applicants that cleared the initial "filtering round" based on their KSA's?

[SemperFun]

I got the same letter as the rest of you. I have also been told that there are a lot of applicants. I am trying not to let that discourage me though. You have to think with this economy, everybody is applying but I'm willing to bet that many of them might not meet the minimum qualifications. Many more may have not done a very good job writing their KSA responses etc. If you are not one of those, try not to worry and just know that this has the potential to be a long process. But if you really want it and are in this for the long haul, somebody has to get it so why not one of us (preferably all of us). Best of luck to everybody and keep the updates coming.

[DeputyinSC]

I got the e-mail as well. I hope it doesn't take 2 years. I will be 37 in 1.5 years.

[SemperFun]

Let me give an example when I talk about bad KSA writing. My father is pretty high up in a government agency (not law enforcement though). When ever positions become available in his department, he is one of the lucky ones (purely sarcasm) who gets to read peoples resumes and KSA responses. Recently, they had a position for an editor open up. He got resumes from people of all walks of life. Writers, prior editors, English majors to include PhD recipients. What wound up eliminating a lot of people, to include the English majors, was the KSA responses. So many of them rambled on and on and on in their responses and didn't even really answer the questions. Some of them, like us, had to describe their experience in things such as leadership, working with others from diverse backgrounds, finding common ground with somebody you disagree with etc. It's crazy how many of them would simply put responses like, "I was in the military for 5 years and have lots of experience working with others" and that is all they put. So, why am I telling you all of this. I'm just trying to offer some enouragement to those with decent qualifying backgrounds who put some real time and effort into their KSA responses. I could be wrong (wouldn't be the first time) but I am willing to bet that A LOT of people did exactly what I described above and will likely be eliminated. So disregard all of the RUMORS about how many applicants there are. Even if its true, many of them aren't going to get far. The FAMS need good people now and chances are, the large number of applicants is going to be shrinking considerably early in the process. As I said though, I'm not writing this to discourage anybody. If you did the application correctly and carefully, then be confident and stay that way through the whole process no matter how long that may take. Having said that, disregard any typos and errors you may find in my ramblings. I didn't put as much time in this as I did with my KSA responses. :)

[bigdogoreo]

Got the email today as well! Here's to one step down and many more to go! Good luck everybody...

[bigdogoreo]

Less for me, 37 in March 2010. Things have settled down nicely with the wife and family. After a long discussion, we both agreed now was a good time to make the change, hopefully it is not too late.

[DeputyinSC]

Less for me, 37 in March 2010. Things have settled down nicely with the wife and family. After a long discussion, we both agreed now was a good time to make the change, hopefully it is not too late.

Same story here bigdogoreo. All I can do now is wait and hope for a call. Like you though, hopefully not too late. I hope this doesn't turn into a situation where if I had done this sooner it would have worked out kind of a thing. Only time will tell. Good luck to you.

[bluecollar$]

Let me give an example when I talk about bad KSA writing. My father is pretty high up in a government agency (not law enforcement though). When ever positions become available in his department, he is one of the lucky ones (purely sarcasm) who gets to read peoples resumes and KSA responses. Recently, they had a position for an editor open up. He got resumes from people of all walks of life. Writers, prior editors, English majors to include PhD recipients. What wound up eliminating a lot of people, to include the English majors, was the KSA responses. So many of them rambled on and on and on in their responses and didn't even really answer the questions. Some of them, like us, had to describe their experience in things such as leadership, working with others from diverse backgrounds, finding common ground with somebody you disagree with etc. It's crazy how many of them would simply put responses like, "I was in the military for 5 years and have lots of experience working with others" and that is all they put. So, why am I telling you all of this. I'm just trying to offer some enouragement to those with decent qualifying backgrounds who put some real time and effort into their KSA responses. I could be wrong (wouldn't be the first time) but I am willing to bet that A LOT of people did exactly what I described above and will likely be eliminated. So disregard all of the RUMORS about how many applicants there are. Even if its true, many of them aren't going to get far. The FAMS need good people now and chances are, the large number of applicants is going to be shrinking considerably early in the process. As I said though, I'm not writing this to discourage anybody. If you did the application correctly and carefully, then be confident and stay that way through the whole process no matter how long that may take. Having said that, disregard any typos and errors you may find in my ramblings. I didn't put as much time in this as I did with my KSA responses. :)

Last cycle I wrote 2 to 3 sentences in my KSA's and made it all the way to the end up to waiting for the call and medical......They don't mean as much as you think. Of course my 3 sentences may have just been that steller:D

Did the same this time,got the email today, yadayada and so it begins again............................................

[GuyinCali]

Dude - You should contact the FO and HR...someone lost you stuff IMO

i agree with uponbase...you need to call the FO

Is this a FO issue or HR issue? Who can PM Guyin cali someones contact details in HR to follow up on this? Surely they must of lost your records!

I too received the confirmation email today that they received my application for announcement FAM-09-F001.

Question, can anyone PM me a contact in HR. I would like to follow-up on my old application...

Good Luck!!!

[want2baleo86]

I received the email too. From what I hear from someone in TSA's hiring office, is that they are beginning to review all applications next week, this was just to let us know that applications and documents were all submitted correctly so we are basically still at square one. Not to worry though, if you're qualified and wrote good KSA's, you should have a good shot.

[kymaroon]

I received a similar email, but it was right after I sent in my application. (Got it on 2/12.) Did anyone receive two emails--this new one everyone got today and another (older) one when they first applied? I ask because I didn't get one today...

[CardsnDeacs]

I talked to HR about a week ago, and I was told that the contingency offers are supposed to go out by March 16th. That seems like a very fast turn around time but maybe it's for real. Good luck everybody

[nvgonu]

Hey everyone... so, I was applying for TSA surface inspector and uploading my docs (same ones that I uploaded for the FAM position). Upon uploading them I was not able to view them. This started to get me to worry because I uploaded the same documents when I applied for the FAM position, yet I was able to view my uploaded documents at the time. I called HR today and explained the situation, and the nice lady said for me to just fax them over just in case, and that it is not disqualifying if they review my application and cannot see the documents, they supposingly are suppose to contact you and request them from what she said. I did however get the same email as everyone else did on here recently, I do not know if that means they were able to view the documents or if it is just formal "hey we got your stuff email," and whether it is viewable or not is another matter. Just a heads up to everyone if they come across the same issue, that they can still fax documents over according to the lady I spoke to and to put your announcement #, name, SSN at the top of each document (if more than one), and that they will accept these for about two weeks after the announcement closing. Good luck to all... :cool:

[audi0xpl0de]

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/southflorida/story/922872.html

[Up_On_Base]

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/southflorida/story/922872.html

Just read the comments, sometimes I forget how much the general public hates LE and how mis-informed. The one guys claimed FAMS can't make lock ups, but it's strange they let the guy go and didn't detain.

Guess they had to be somewhere or didn't want the paperwork? Who knows.

[ignignokt373]

Guess they had to be somewhere or didn't want the paperwork? Who knows.

I am guessing they (FAMS) wanted to be on that flight for a reason and just tossed the perp and had MIA Airport Police nab him.

[Up_On_Base]

I am guessing they (FAMS) wanted to be on that flight for a reason and just tossed the perp and had MIA Airport Police nab him.

I agree.

But, they got the guy at the bar, not the gate.

[Global]

Just read the comments, sometimes I forget how much the general public hates LE and how mis-informed. The one guys claimed FAMS can't make lock ups, but it's strange they let the guy go and didn't detain.

Guess they had to be somewhere or didn't want the paperwork? Who knows.

It's not strange at all. He was off the flight; the FAMS protected the flight from a potential hijacking. That's the first order of business for the FAM.

[irishlad2nv]

It's not strange at all. What's more important; arresting a disorderly or protecting the flight from a potential hijacking? Keep in mind the big picture.
Secondly, what violation of federal law do the FAMS charge this individual with?

Clearly a local jurisdiction case.

Clearly the obvious...he stated he was a "US Air Marshal"!!!

Secondly, he had already boarded the plane. Bam, i am sure theres some federal charge there since he was past the gate.

[manstown]

The US Air Marshal thing is very small in the big scheme of things. You're right....they should have picked up on that. I had flight attendants refer to me as a Sky Marshal many times.(You'll get over those little things quick becasue it happened so much) The fact he boarded the plane isn't that big of an issue either seeing that he had a ticket. Even FAMS have tickets. The big problem is that he carried fake credentials, and he identified himself as a Federal Law Enforcement Officer. Big no no in this day and age trying to make a flight. I can't believe the idiot gate agent didn't put 2 and 2 together when he claimed to be an Air Marshal and had a badge saying something different.....and allowed him to board!!!

And I see no potential hijacking in this instance. Just a nut being a nut!! You'll run into those from time to time. Some that make the hair on the back of your neck to stand out.

[ignignokt373]

I agree.But, they got the guy at the bar, not the gate.

True. But how accurate is the reporter when it comes to this? The guy could have left the gate area after getting the boot by the FAMS. And, with no Airport Cops around, headed to the local Airport bar to await another flight and the good guys tracked him down and napped him.

Once again, I take what the media prints/says with a grain of salt most times. But, that's just me.

[justdoitking]

I am guessing they (FAMS) wanted to be on that flight for a reason and just tossed the perp and had MIA Airport Police nab him.

Look guys, some of the comments posted on the Heralds site is idiotic at best. First of all, I think the FAMS done the right thing by putting him off the flight and continuing their mission as long as their identity was not compromised. For those that are or have worked for the FAMS would understand why I say that.

Also, for heaven sake they did not want to give up the overnight stay in LA and have to give up their per diem I am sure.:) Or perhaps they did not want to stay another night in Miami.;)

[jetset1]

Question for the FAMS. Are you allowed to bring your personal car to NM? Thanks!

[paul354]

I would think the travel one of the best parts about the position. Other than those in the travel industry, How many people can say that their going to "XYZ City" or "ABC Country" for the night?

Back when I worked for the airlines, I would go on my day off [from NYC] to Chicago or Florida for the day.

[ignignokt373]

I would think the travel one of the best parts about the position.

You do realize that most times they are flying in/out of cities without anytime to do anything at all, other than to pee and grab something to eat at the Airport before flying elsewhere? And when they are on overnights, they have to be back up at the crack of dawn (usually) to get back flying again.


Just an FYI.

[dtown101]

Question for the FAMS. Are you allowed to bring your personal car to NM? Thanks!
YES...if you live around the area...you as a class fly down to NM from atl city....now if you live close to artesia then you can...GOOD LUCK hahahaha

[9.11NeverForget]

I received a confirmation email when I submitted my application, another one after the closing date, and just now received a set of two emails reminding me that the OF-306 and TSA Forms 2811 and 2812 are all required documents. The emails said if you haven't sent them in yet you will have to fax them in before March 9 to be considered for the position. I submitted all of the forms when I applied.

[BamaCounty]

I received a confirmation email when I submitted my application, another one after the closing date, and just now received a set of two emails reminding me that the OF-306 and TSA Forms 2811 and 2812 are all required documents. The emails said if you haven't sent them in yet you will have to fax them in before March 9 to be considered for the position. I submitted all of the forms when I applied.



I got that email to, and submitted the forms but I will fax it as well. Better being safe than sorry.

[Queens646]

Question I was thinking about applying to the air marshals but I'm curious to know how long the whole process takes on average? Also, is it true that if you are disqualified for whatever reason from a federal job process you can never apply for a federal job again? I have never even applied for a federal job but this is a rumor that I heard and I just need some clarification.

[9.11NeverForget]

Question I was thinking about applying to the air marshals but I'm curious to know how long the whole process takes on average? Also, is it true that if you are disqualified for whatever reason from a federal job process you can never apply for a federal job again? I have never even applied for a federal job but this is a rumor that I heard and I just need some clarification.

They aren't currently accepting applications. They just closed the job announcement and nobody knows how long it will be before they start accepting more applications, but probably a year or more. From what I've read on here it sounds like most guys average at least two years to get hired with the FAMS, though there are always exceptions. Being DQ'd from one federal job isn't usually an automatic DQ for another job.

[Tac]

PM me....thanks

[Queens646]

Thanks for the info. 9.11 NeverForget. Good Luck in the future.

[bahrain]

This question is for any former or current Air Marshal or TSA employee:

What is the main job function of a Transportation Security Inspector (Surface)? I read the job description, but I am still a little fuzzy on what they do on a daily basis. I looked on USAJOBS and noticed the TSA has a lot of vacany positions available all over the US.

[bman72]

yes, I was.

[bman72]

to Bahrain:
A screener mostly works the xray machine, the walk thru, and baggage dept. We would rotate positions at the checkpoint, as to not not get burned out. If you were in baggage, you stayed for the shift.

[ignignokt373]

to Bahrain:
A screener mostly works the xray machine, the walk thru, and baggage dept. We would rotate positions at the checkpoint, as to not not get burned out. If you were in baggage, you stayed for the shift.

Screen and TSI are two different positions.

[VCSOMotor91]

I got that e-mail too, but it did not give me a fax number to send it to. Also the e-mail with the links to the forms said page 1 of 2. I didn't get a second e-mail. Is there a second e-mail with the fax number listed?

I received a confirmation email when I submitted my application, another one after the closing date, and just now received a set of two emails reminding me that the OF-306 and TSA Forms 2811 and 2812 are all required documents. The emails said if you haven't sent them in yet you will have to fax them in before March 9 to be considered for the position. I submitted all of the forms when I applied.

[paul354]

Check your junk mail/deleted items folder...the 2nd e-mail is the "Cover Sheet". One e-mail gives you the link to all the forms. The Second is says to print out and use as your cover sheet (the fax # is on there).

I faxed in all my stuff initially with my app (and got confirmation e-mails too). I'm going to send it again though..just because you don't know what they may have/not have received.

Good Luck.

[500pearl]

Fax number 877-872-7993

[9.11NeverForget]

I don't plan to re-submit them. I probably will call, to confirm that they have all of my forms on file.

[dubb18]

So if you received those emails is it saying your being considered? Because I know some people who have applied have not received any email concerning that.

[kymaroon]

I would say no.. from what it sounds like sometimes people don't get the e-mails or perhaps they are on their way and will get them soon

I've been getting the emails everyone has mentioned about a day or so after they get mentioned here...so there is some delay.

[justdoitking]

Good luck to those who start with the FAMS over the next few weeks.

[BamaCounty]

delete.. off topic sorry

[paul354]

I got a email today saying:Congratulations, you have met the initial eligibility requirements of the vacancy announcement for the Transportation Security Officer (TSO) position. The next step in the candidate assessment process is for you to take a computerized test that lasts about two and one half (2½) hours. Please note that hiring needs at airports can frequently change, and there is limited testing seat availability. Therefore, it is recommended that you respond promptly to this invitation to attempt to schedule a test. If a testing seat is not available at that time, you will be placed in the queue for future testing opportunities. There is not a specified timeframe for when this future testing may occur, and will be based on the airport's hiring needs. If you are unable to schedule your test at this time, you are encouraged to periodically check to see if appointments for the computerized test have become available.

Can I quite my job?

You should probably sign up to take the test. - Good Luck.

[Up_On_Base]

.

Can I quite my job?

You are not serious right? You met the "initial requirements"...thats it.

If you are, wait until you pass all the steps and get a written final offer...but you were kidding...I hope.

Either way...good luck.

[BamaCounty]

You are not serious right? You met the "initial requirements"...thats it.

If you are, wait until you pass all the steps and get a written final offer...but you were kidding...I hope.

Either way...good luck.

LOL.. Yes I was very much kidding. I have seen some time lines of some here in getting hired. Look as though its a long wait.

[PigsdoFly]

I got a email today saying:Congratulations, you have met the initial eligibility requirements of the vacancy announcement for the Transportation Security Officer (TSO) position. The next step in the candidate assessment process is for you to take a computerized test that lasts about two and one half (2½) hours. Please note that hiring needs at airports can frequently change, and there is limited testing seat availability. Therefore, it is recommended that you respond promptly to this invitation to attempt to schedule a test. If a testing seat is not available at that time, you will be placed in the queue for future testing opportunities. There is not a specified timeframe for when this future testing may occur, and will be based on the airport's hiring needs. If you are unable to schedule your test at this time, you are encouraged to periodically check to see if appointments for the computerized test have become available.

Can I quite my job?

Why are we discussing TSO employment, this is a FAM employment discussion board. I don't want to be a pr!ck but lets stay focused on FAMS hiring.

[BamaCounty]

Why are we discussing TSO employment, this is a FAM employment discussion board. I don't want to be a pr!ck but lets stay focused on FAMS hiring.

Sorry about that pig. I thought it was for FAMS. I Sorry again. I saw the email thought it came from FAMS Again sorry.

[manstown]

What's FMA? You mean FAMS, right? Come on Bama.....you're better than that!

[Kappa98]

Please don't let those remarks reflect on us that were also educated in Alabama public schools. We do go on to receive MPA's and JD's! On another note, my first couple days on the job have been great! I certainly appreciate the info I took from this site, it was a big help! Now its off to training...

[JD13]

Speaking of JDs, how many new applicants (like me) have a J.D.? Also, do many of the current FAMS have a J.D. or other doctoral level degree without previous LE or military background? Just curious, as I am guessing that most applicants have LE/military backgrounds.

One thing I haven't seen answered that I'm simply curious about: I know that FAMs are on-call 24/7. But, how often are FAMs called upon at times that fall outside their scheduled availability? Are there frequent emergencies/coverages, etc.? (I don't believe this is sensitive information, or I wouldn't ask.)

And thank you everyone for posting such good info over the past years on here. It made learning about the position and the application process so much easier!! Let's keep it going! :)

[jetset1]

Do FAMS have any contact with FAMS from other offices much or only with those in your FO?

[911fedz]

One thing I haven't seen answered that I'm simply curious about: I know that FAMs are on-call 24/7. Yes they are.[/B] But, how often are FAMs called upon at times that fall outside their scheduled availability? [B]ONLY When there is threats, and they know when there is one Are there frequent emergencies/coverages, etc.? (I don't believe this is sensitive information, or I wouldn't ask.) Never know when there is only
when you get that call....

[rbakous1]

Speaking of JDs, how many new applicants (like me) have a J.D.? Also, do many of the current FAMS have a J.D. or other doctoral level degree without previous LE or military background? Just curious, as I am guessing that most applicants have LE/military backgrounds.

One thing I haven't seen answered that I'm simply curious about: I know that FAMs are on-call 24/7. But, how often are FAMs called upon at times that fall outside their scheduled availability? Are there frequent emergencies/coverages, etc.? (I don't believe this is sensitive information, or I wouldn't ask.)

And thank you everyone for posting such good info over the past years on here. It made learning about the position and the application process so much easier!! Let's keep it going! :)

I have an MBA and applied for this most recent announcement. I do have 1 year of MP experience in the National Guard though but I wasn't able to really draw from that experience too much in my KSAs. :cool:

[apd301]

I applied and recieved the email stating that I needed to fax some other paperwork and did. Any one have a clue bout how long the next step is? I am in a admin LE job now, and have been for years. No rush I guess! LOL

[JSAMP]

I have read through allot of the post over the last 2 years and no one has really answered the question on how long the different steps take for employment with the FAM'S. I applied in January and I was prompted to send a couple of different documents on 27 February. However, I sent the documents on 28 Feb and I have not received confirmation e-mail. I called the help desk and the lady told me they have my documents. Has anyone had this happen to him or her? Also, I was wondering what the next step is and what kind of time line I am looking at? Thanks for your help!

[Supersonic527]

I have read through allot of the post over the last 2 years and no one has really answered the question on how long the different steps take for employment with the FAM'S. I applied in January and I was prompted to send a couple of different documents on 27 February. However, I sent the documents on 28 Feb and I have not received confirmation e-mail. I called the help desk and the lady told me they have my documents. Has anyone had this happen to him or her? Also, I was wondering what the next step is and what kind of time line I am looking at? Thanks for your help!

It's never really answered because there's no definite time frame from one step to the next. It could be anywhere from a few weeks to a month or a few months. You might complete two steps in a matter of weeks and wait 2 months to complete the next step. I believe the next step is a phone interview of sorts. Anyone else know? Overall, look for anywhere from 7 months to as long as a 18 from initial app to hire.

[SemperFun]

Unfortunately, you haven't seen an answer to that question because there really isn't an answer. It is different for everybody. I know people who from application to final selection took a matter of a few months where as other people take well over a year + to get hired. Not really sure why that is. It's just the nature of the beast my friend. As many have said in this forum, waiting is the hardest part but you WILL eventually hear something. The next step in the process as far as I know is, you will receive either a letter or e-mail stating that either you do or do not meet the initial requirements for the position. If you DO meet the requirements, you will be scheduled for a phone interview which usually last about 15 to 30 minutes (it varies). If that is successful, then you will eventually be scheduled for a panel interview, psych interview, physical training assessment etc. Sometimes a lot of those things are all done in the same day. I hope that sheds a little light and I, like most people, wish there was a solid answer to you initial question on how long it takes. But there is not.

[airisfine]

Speaking of JDs, how many new applicants (like me) have a J.D.? Also, do many of the current FAMS have a J.D. or other doctoral level degree without previous LE or military background? Just curious, as I am guessing that most applicants have LE/military backgrounds.

One thing I haven't seen answered that I'm simply curious about: I know that FAMs are on-call 24/7. But, how often are FAMs called upon at times that fall outside their scheduled availability? Are there frequent emergencies/coverages, etc.? (I don't believe this is sensitive information, or I wouldn't ask.)

And thank you everyone for posting such good info over the past years on here. It made learning about the position and the application process so much easier!! Let's keep it going! :)

I met 17 new hires today, 1 had law enforcement experience, 4 prior military, the rest college grads so it appears leo's and military are now in the minority that we hire,. good news right?

[BPD Once]

I met 17 new hires today, 1 had law enforcement experience, 4 prior military, the rest college grads so it appears leo's and military are now in the minority that we hire,. good news right?

Great. I know we are hurting for people but this is not the right gig for someone fresh out of school. I wish they would do something with the hiring standards. Oh well, heading back to 3D.

[JSAMP]

Thank you everyone for offering some advice in the process. I really appreciate it!