Air Marshal Job Open !

[Ali G]

I tried looking through the past few pages, and using the search, but could not come up with solid information.

Whats the deal with the new PT test? Is it a standard, you must do this many situps, pushups, etc. or is there another way of operation. If its the former, what are the requirements.


Last I checked, there is no minimum. They rate you poor, fair, good, excellent. Its pullups, pushups in a minute, crunches in a minute, mile and a half. The push ups and situ ups are pretty easy to get excellent. I think it is like 11 pull ups for excellent (that also varies depending on your age).

The test should just be used as another way of comparing you to other applicants. It isn't used to cut you.

[Paulie312]

is there any chance of getting hired fresh out of college or theyre looking for prior LE experience. thanks

[rbakous1]

is there any chance of getting hired fresh out of college or theyre looking for prior LE experience. thanks

If you qualify based on education alone you really don't have any significant advantage, so it isn't likely you'll be hired. I know this from personal experience in federal law enforcement processes. Not impossible though. Don't let fear of rejection dissuade you from applying either. If you want the job and are qualified then you should apply. Most agencies seek highly qualified candidates to hire, not just qualified ones. You should look into BPA, CBPO, or BOP for getting your "foot in the door" sort of speak too. I've been rejected a number of times for being minimally qualified and I'm still living.

[Ali G]

is there any chance of getting hired fresh out of college or theyre looking for prior LE experience. thanks

You can get in with only college. The only thing is this: They are going to ask you questions during a telephone interview and, if you make it past that, in the panel interview. Those questions aren't going to be specific cop type questions (like, what are the elements of the offense for battery), but the questions will be difficult for a person with limited work experience to answer. It will just be easier to answer those questions with LE or military experience.

[Jarhead1302]

About how long is the application process for this job from start to finish?

[PigsdoFly]

is there any chance of getting hired fresh out of college or theyre looking for prior LE experience. thanks

From what I have seen in the past they love to hire ppl straight out of college, its an USSS thing.

[audi0xpl0de]

You should now be able to upload documents. They fixed the error.

[manstown]

I know when I went through the process they hired on those of us with experience and those without. The reason behind hiring those straight from college is because they are easily taught different aspects of the job. Now that's not a shot at anyone with experience because bringing some of what you already know to the table is also a valuable trait. If you can elaborate on the questions and how they pertain to you and your expreriences outside of LE you'll be fine. My class was about 50/50 as far as hires with experience and those without. Those without weren't all college graduates, some had work experience outside of LE as well. The only thing that can hurt you at this point is not applying.

[rbakous1]

From what I have seen in the past they love to hire ppl straight out of college, its an USSS thing.

That's really surprising to hear. You must be talking about SSUD jobs. With respect to SA, that's not the case.

[someonesmom]

My daughter applied right out of college for SSSA and received a few phone calls from them. Ultimately, they told her she was minimally qualified, that really prefer experience. The gentleman she spoke with, told her to apply for the UD, she would get hired there, get a few years experience and then reapply for the SA position. She applied for the UD, never got any calls, received a letter of rejection a couple months after she applied. Never made sense, obviously she was very disappointed. She is applying now for the local police dept.

[jetset1]

From what I have seen in the past they love to hire ppl straight out of college, its an USSS thing.

This is very true! Also, It's my understanding that they have changed how they eval candidates. Lets just say it isn't going to be like before and I'm not talking about the tasks involved. Just don't expect the same steps. Good Luck

[paul354]

I know several people with degrees that applied and didn't move beyond the phone interviewed, I apply in my senior year of college w/ a year and a half of LE experience and i'm at the end of the process (they did stress that they wanted me to finish my degree though).

what does the "phone interview" consist of? - do they send you information in advance to allow you to prepare for it? I'm probably getting a little a head of myself being that the announcement just opened, but (just curious).

Thanks.

[Short-Round]

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[PigsdoFly]

That's really surprising to hear. You must be talking about SSUD jobs. With respect to SA, that's not the case.

Ok let me elaborate a bit and piggy back off of manstown. My philosophy is that because of the type of management, they like to bring on "straight of college" grads so they can mold and shape them into what they want they to be. Its not always the case but applicants that have LE exp or are right out the military are sometimes set in their ways and it can be harder to break them and get them to drink the kool-aid. When I got hired we all came from prior LE or military, but now its the exact opposite with some classes. I have to be honest from what I have seen there is no rhyme or reason for people that they hire and people they don't hire its a mystery. I really enjoy the job but everyone has to reailze that it is what it is. I've said it before and I'll say it again its not really a good "first time LE job" because you won't be making arrests everyday and you may never put the bracelets on someone.

[Short-Round]

Isn't it true that FAMS never cuff people because they shoot to kill, like one shot one kill, or two to the body and one to head? What with the advanced CQC training with hand guns and stuff, anyway thats what I heard.

Definately not a starter job!

:D

[Up_On_Base]

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[GuyinCali]

Pigs, or any other FAMS, have you heard if any calls will go out soon, if hiring will pickup???

Thanks,

[Jarhead1302]

About how long is the application process?

[PigsdoFly]

Pigs, or any other FAMS, have you heard if any calls will go out soon, if hiring will pickup???

Thanks,

Well some calls went out last week I believe for a spring academy and the job announcement just opened up last thursday. So yes it has picked up.

[PigsdoFly]

About how long is the application process?

Anywhere from 2 months to years, but the average is prob. near a year.

[Ali G]

Isn't it true that FAMS never cuff people because they shoot to kill, like one shot one kill, or two to the body and one to head? What with the advanced CQC training with hand guns and stuff, anyway thats what I heard.

Definately not a starter job!

:D

Maybe I'm just dumb, but I can't tell if you are being sarcastic. LOL never cuff people? Seriously, I can't tell if you are being sarcastic. FAMs are LE. I mean, yeah there is some cool training, but no, they did not create a use-of-force waiver for FAMs.

[PSA #1]

My post, and others answers were completely removed within the hour! Is this page having a problem?

[PSA #1]

Again, because my last post vanished off this thread: How much weight does the run have on the whole PTA. I did my interview and pta last week. I did well on all but the run. My mouth went dry and I could't swallow. This has never happened before and I have no idea what caused it. I did finish, but with a bad time.

My question is: Should I contact my FO and try to re-take the PTA, or should I hope for the best?

[Bearcat357]

Should I contact my FO and try to re-take the PTA, or should I hope for the best?

Contact your FO and talk to them....and see what they say....

I honestly doubt they will let you re-take it....

I would also reapply under this annoucement so you are not SOL when it comes to things.....That's just me....

Good luck...

[dtown101]

Contact your FO and talk to them....and see what they say....

I honestly doubt they will let you re-take it....

I would also reapply under this annoucement so you are not SOL when it comes to things.....That's just me....

Good luck...

Do not call to ask to retake your Run...for now just deal with your times ...REAPPLY also...bear is correct

[dtown101]

Its not something you can really study for other than reading about interview questions.

The best advice I can give on this is be as to the point and succinct as possible with your answers. Don't draw it out longer than it has to be, take the scenic route, or get lost in your answer as many people are wont to do.

They will ask normal interview questions which are common questions from ANY industry.

EX: Tell me about a time when you disagreed with a Subordinate/Co-worker/Superior, what did you do about it, what was the outcome.

These types of interview questions, which I have ran into from civilian and law enforcement, which are always the same type of interviews, are designed to gauge your back ground, ability to communicate to the interviewer, organize your thoughts, and talk or think on your feet.

Answer them the way the question was asked, situation-action-outcome. And be honest as your answers can and will pop up on background checks.

What someone said earlier about college students with no experience having a tougher time is correct. I believe people with work experience especially supervisory experience will have a lot easier time of this. Which is the case in any industry and these interviews.

just some advice to everyone on this forum...dont ask specific questions about the process...people who make hiring decisions do read this forum.. and if you give out answers to the process you could be bounced from the process

[Bearcat357]

just some advice to everyone on this forum...dont ask specific questions about the process...people who make hiring decisions do read this forum.. and if you give out answers to the process you could be bounced from the process

Errr....that's why some posts from earlier today went bye-bye as someone was posting specific questions from the panel interview.... :rolleyes:

[Bearcat357]

Do not call to ask to retake your Run...for now just deal with your times ...

I was just going off a text message from someone in a midwest office..... But you are in the know better than I am.....

[ayden0526]

Maybe I'm just dumb, but I can't tell if you are being sarcastic. LOL never cuff people? Seriously, I can't tell if you are being sarcastic. FAMs are LE. I mean, yeah there is some cool training, but no, they did not create a use-of-force waiver for FAMs.

actually...i would guess that he is right....how many crack heads that normally stand on the corner and sell dope do you think fly commercially? how many people bring dope and guns on the plane?....its not like you are gonna be charging very many with "possession of firearm by convicted felon" how many cars do you pull over on a plane and charge them with a revoked license? how many times have you been on a commercial airline and someone just jumped up out of their seat and staring beating the crap out of everyone on board? my guess would be that only a handfull of air marshals have ever in history put cuffs on someone!!!!!

[ayden0526]

this isnt to say that a use of force incident couldnt occur...only that when it does....odds are you will not be using subject control and arrest techniques....you will be using deadly force!

[PSA #1]

Thanks for the advice, and I will not be contacting them. Again I ask how badly my crap run time will affect getting a "call"? Has anyone done bad on any sections of the pta and still moved on?

[PSA #1]

I'm trying not to be specific! I wont give my actual times.

[davidh304]

Isn't it true that FAMS never cuff people because they shoot to kill, like one shot one kill, or two to the body and one to head? What with the advanced CQC training with hand guns and stuff, anyway thats what I heard.



:D

All I have to say is 24 started again last night and what was Jack Bauer wearing when he put the chemicals in the safe room air vent?


Tactical pants.



Need I say more?

[Ali G]

this isnt to say that a use of force incident couldnt occur...only that when it does....odds are you will not be using subject control and arrest techniques....you will be using deadly force!

Ayden,

No, I wasn't asking a question (other than "are you serious"). I'm telling you he is wrong. Trust me on this.

[PigsdoFly]

my guess would be that only a handfull of air marshals have ever in history put cuffs on someone!!!!!

And you know this of what knowledge?

[INTHEAIRCOP]

actually...i would guess that he is right....how many crack heads that normally stand on the corner and sell dope do you think fly commercially? how many people bring dope and guns on the plane?....its not like you are gonna be charging very many with "possession of firearm by convicted felon" how many cars do you pull over on a plane and charge them with a revoked license? how many times have you been on a commercial airline and someone just jumped up out of their seat and staring beating the crap out of everyone on board? my guess would be that only a handfull of air marshals have ever in history put cuffs on someone!!!!!

So what you are saying is a FAM can't cuff a person? It does not take a phd to put cuffs on a person. Do you think that every LE job cuffs everyday? Yes most of the street cops do but not all the FEDs. For example, OIG special agents, Dept. of education special agents, NOAA special agents, EPA special agents, and the list goes on. Just because these agents do not cuff or deal with street scum does not make them a lesser law enforcement officer.

As a FAM in my office I am in the office 1 day a week for 8 hours doing the following, boxing, ground fighting, working out, cuffing teqniquess, self defense against edged weapons, aircraft tactics, firearms, close quarter combat, first responder training ,etc. Yes I have not cuffed a subject since I left the PD but I get more then enough training here that I actually practice cuffing in my sleep. We are not street cops, we are the cops of the sky just sitting there for the one second in a 20 year career that we might have to actually work, and that’s why they pay us the big bucks.

[Short-Round]

Geez peanut gallery, the two to the body and one to the head thing was a joke, didn't figure I would spur all types of serious conversations over it lol!

I am in the office 1 day a week for 8 hours doing the following, boxing, ground fighting, working out, cuffing teqniquess, self defense against edged weapons, aircraft tactics, firearms, close quarter combat, first responder training ,etc.

Hey INTHEAIRCOP, that's what I am talking about!!! WOOHOO, love the good training!

[dubb18]

Quick question. Is FAMS scheduling interviews and hiring before the announcement closes or after it's close?

[ayden0526]

So what you are saying is a FAM can't cuff a person? It does not take a phd to put cuffs on a person. Do you think that every LE job cuffs everyday? Yes most of the street cops do but not all the FEDs. For example, OIG special agents, Dept. of education special agents, NOAA special agents, EPA special agents, and the list goes on. Just because these agents do not cuff or deal with street scum does not make them a lesser law enforcement officer.

As a FAM in my office I am in the office 1 day a week for 8 hours doing the following, boxing, ground fighting, working out, cuffing teqniquess, self defense against edged weapons, aircraft tactics, firearms, close quarter combat, first responder training ,etc. Yes I have not cuffed a subject since I left the PD but I get more then enough training here that I actually practice cuffing in my sleep. We are not street cops, we are the cops of the sky just sitting there for the one second in a 20 year career that we might have to actually work, and that’s why they pay us the big bucks.


I think you may have taken my point out of context, or simply not read it carefully. Then again...I must have done the same with "ALI's" about what he was implying.....but you actually affirmed my point though......particularly now that you told me you havent put them on anybody since you left the PD.

Actually...Im sure that you do train a lot...never suggested otherwise. Probably train more than I do. Sorry if I offended someone

[ayden0526]

And you know this of what knowledge?

There is my knowlege...A FAM just said it

Actually, I never have claimed to know much, and very seldom post

Just hoping for a call...thats all !

[PigsdoFly]

There is my knowlege...A FAM just said it

Actually, I never have claimed to know much, and very seldom post

Just hoping for a call...thats all !


Well I guess that makes me apart of history because I have.

[ayden0526]

Again...I didnt mean to turn the heat up here!

[TerminalBliss]

So what you are saying is a FAM can't cuff a person? It does not take a phd to put cuffs on a person. Do you think that every LE job cuffs everyday? Yes most of the street cops do but not all the FEDs. For example, OIG special agents, Dept. of education special agents, NOAA special agents, EPA special agents, and the list goes on. Just because these agents do not cuff or deal with street scum does not make them a lesser law enforcement officer.

I think you misunderstood his comments. He wasn't saying that FAMs can't cuff folks, nor did his comments in any way suggest that FAMs aren't LEOs, merely that it isn't a common occurance for FAMs to make an arrest and/or place cuffs on folks...which is true. I happen to be one of the "golden few" that have actually used my cuffs in detaining an individual...hmmm, after seven years, which means I might statistically do so again perhaps once or twice more before punching out on retirement.

As a FAM in my office I am in the office 1 day a week for 8 hours doing the following, boxing, ground fighting, working out, cuffing teqniquess, self defense against edged weapons, aircraft tactics, firearms, close quarter combat, first responder training ,etc.

I thought you were a flying FAM? Your previous posts on this and other forums certainly suggest that you're an FF. The only folks who train as much as you suggest are members of FO training staff or other ground based folks, ie VIPR, operations, management, etc. There isn't a FO out there allocating 52 training days per year for flying folks. So which is it...you fly or are you groundbased?

Yes I have not cuffed a subject since I left the PD but I get more then enough training here that I actually practice cuffing in my sleep. We are not street cops, we are the cops of the sky just sitting there for the one second in a 20 year career that we might have to actually work, and that’s why they pay us the big bucks.

No, that's not why you get paid the "big bucks." We're paid commensurate with any other journeyman GS-12 to GS-13 FLEO. Following your chain of thought, street cops should get paid far more than any other LEO since the dangers entailed by their position are far more likely to occur on a regular basis. Bottom line is this, ITAC...these folks contemplating joining the organization and undergoing the hiring process deserve the unfiltered truth to the best of our abilities while still not compromising SSI. They don't deserve exaggeration, whether it is unintended or not...I certainly had enough exaggeration when I first assessed in October 2001...let's give them better information than that we initially received.

Lastly, to those applicants on this forum...take posts on here by those that are or claim to be FAMs with some grain of salt, because not everything you read is necessarily accurate. If you're an "action-junkie," then this likely isn't the job for you. However, if you're a beat cop looking for something different or just looking for a means into the FLEO community for this or other career opportunities, then this is a good gig.

Stay safe,

TB

[ayden0526]

Quick question. Is FAMS scheduling interviews and hiring before the announcement closes or after it's close?

Thats a Million Dollar Question...If you find out, post it! you could probably increase the testosterone level up here better than I could with it. LOL

Im glad you understood me TB. For a minute there, I thought maybe I needed to revise my answers on the communication-skills portion of the application

[justdoitking]

Not if you get all those IPIs or make J band.....:D

Pigs are you inferring you have been promoted to a J Band (Supervisor)?:) If so congratulations! Based on earlier comments you made in the thread do not loose the reality side of things.

[jetset1]

I think you misunderstood his comments. He wasn't saying that FAMs can't cuff folks, nor did his comments in any way suggest that FAMs aren't LEOs, merely that it isn't a common occurance for FAMs to make an arrest and/or place cuffs on folks...which is true. I happen to be one of the "golden few" that have actually used my cuffs in detaining an individual...hmmm, after seven years, which means I might statistically do so again perhaps once or twice more before punching out on retirement.



I thought you were a flying FAM? Your previous posts on this and other forums certainly suggest that you're an FF. The only folks who train as much as you suggest are members of FO training staff or other ground based folks, ie VIPR, operations, management, etc. There isn't a FO out there allocating 52 training days per year for flying folks. So which is it...you fly or are you groundbased?



No, that's not why you get paid the "big bucks." We're paid commensurate with any other journeyman GS-12 to GS-13 FLEO. Following your chain of thought, street cops should get paid far more than any other LEO since the dangers entailed by their position are far more likely to occur on a regular basis. Bottom line is this, ITAC...these folks contemplating joining the organization and undergoing the hiring process deserve the unfiltered truth to the best of our abilities while still not compromising SSI. They don't deserve exaggeration, whether it is unintended or not...I certainly had enough exaggeration when I first assessed in October 2001...let's give them better information than that we initially received.

Lastly, to those applicants on this forum...take posts on here by those that are or claim to be FAMs with some grain of salt, because not everything you read is necessarily accurate. If you're an "action-junkie," then this likely isn't the job for you. However, if you're a beat cop looking for something different or just looking for a means into the FLEO community for this or other career opportunities, then this is a good gig.

Stay safe,

TB


First of all let me say that I am not a FAM nor a Government employee. That said I only want to say that INTHEAIR is not exaggerating anything when he states that one of the days in the week is for training. This is what it is and very true.

[ayden0526]

First of all let me say that I am not a FAM nor a Government employee. That said I only want to say that INTHEAIR is not exaggerating anything when he states that one of the days in the week is for training. This is what it is and very true.

Im not a FAM either, but I can tell you that if he spends 52 days a year punching a punching bag and rolling around in an octagon, it is not via a FAM Agency policy. Not only because a couple close friends of mine are FAMS and have spoken ONLY of flying 5 days a week without training...but because anyone with common Law Enforcement sense has met several FED agents from ATF, FBI, Postal Service, DEA....and I have not met one who isnt overwhelmed with cases 5 days a week (they may not be working on them, and they may be in the gym with you, but that isnt where they SHOULD be) They want FAMS flying and are going to maximize it so that they are in the air as much as possible.

Im not saying that he is lying...Im just saying that he is fortunate to have that luxury....maybe his field office has an unofficial privelage.....but im sure that if HQ found out everyone was playing in the gym 8 hours a week, they would have a fit.

In other words, I wouldnt count on having a free work-out-day everyweek. If you are, you will more than likely be extremely disappointed.

Just an opinion...NO OFFENSE INTENDED

[INTHEAIRCOP]

Terminal Bliss,

I wish I worked in the office. I have been in the air also since 2002. I would kill for a ground based job such as viper, femt , ops , at the moc , at the tsoc, a firearms instructor, a dm instructor, etc.

I guess the reason I am still flying is because I tell managment from time to time how I feel. Don't for one second ever say that I am not a flying FAM cause I have been just as long as you. I wore the suits when Tom Quinn was our director and was one of the few who got caught red handed on the Thanksgiving Day massacre. I was down in New Orleans for a week for hurricane Katrina and went back again for the hurricane that missed and hit Houston.

My office schedule is not like the rest of them. We get a training day once a week and it has been like this for years. Some other offices do them a week at a time but not mine.

See you in LHR Terminal Bliss if you need me while I am getting that much needed perdiem! Take care and stay safe up there if you are truly a FAM?

[no1099'shere]

I'm currently trying to get a police job.... was looking at LAPD, Rialto Police Department and Chattanooga PD. Sorta opening my eyes and looking at the federal jobs.

How many recruits are they looking at (how many spots are they looking to fill)?

[gonefishin]

First of all let me say that I am not a FAM nor a Government employee. That said I only want to say that INTHEAIR is not exaggerating anything when he states that one of the days in the week is for training. This is what it is and very true.

That must only be something they do in his office...I get 1-2 training days a month...sometimes only one depending on the schedule. Having one training day a week is not service wide.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

Im not a FAM either, but I can tell you that if he spends 52 days a year punching a punching bag and rolling around in an octagon, it is not via a FAM Agency policy. Not only because a couple close friends of mine are FAMS and have spoken ONLY of flying 5 days a week without training...but because anyone with common Law Enforcement sense has met several FED agents from ATF, FBI, Postal Service, DEA....and I have not met one who isnt overwhelmed with cases 5 days a week (they may not be working on them, and they may be in the gym with you, but that isnt where they SHOULD be) They want FAMS flying and are going to maximize it so that they are in the air as much as possible.

Im not saying that he is lying...Im just saying that he is fortunate to have that luxury....maybe his field office has an unofficial privelage.....but im sure that if HQ found out everyone was playing in the gym 8 hours a week, they would have a fit.

In other words, I wouldnt count on having a free work-out-day everyweek. If you are, you will more than likely be extremely disappointed.

Just an opinion...NO OFFENSE INTENDED

I will say this again, every office handles their trainig regiment differently

[Ali G]

Isn't it true that FAMS never cuff people because they shoot to kill, like one shot one kill, or two to the body and one to head? What with the advanced CQC training with hand guns and stuff, anyway thats what I heard.

Definately not a starter job!

:D

I think a lot of people said a bunch of stuff that was misconstrued (sp). I responded because the above quote, to me, sounds as if this person is saying that FAMs don't even bother cuffing people. They just start blazing. All I was saying is that FAMs are LE and we don't have carte blanch (sp) to just make up our own use of force model. That was all I was saying. I just wanted to make sure this person didn't think it was type of commando stuff.

I don't know about all the other discussions about training and stuff. I'm not involved in that discussion.

[ayden0526]

I think a lot of people said a bunch of stuff that was misconstrued (sp). I responded because the above quote, to me, sounds as if this person is saying that FAMs don't even bother cuffing people. They just start blazing. All I was saying is that FAMs are LE and we don't have carte blanch (sp) to just make up our own use of force model. That was all I was saying. I just wanted to make sure this person didn't think it was type of commando stuff.

I don't know about all the other discussions about training and stuff. I'm not involved in that discussion.

Your right...but that was my fault though. I didnt read your post carefully enough, so I ended up taking it out of context. My appoligies!

The resulting discussion did bring about some interest though

[911fedz]

PSA #1
Stop worring about your time. Many FAM's got in with bad times. As long as you did not bumb the rest of the PTA. But I can say this, that they may pick someone that score hire then you first, but you will still will get hired. Just apply under the new annoucement as well.

[PigsdoFly]

Pigs are you inferring you have been promoted to a J Band (Supervisor)?:) If so congratulations! Based on earlier comments you made in the thread do not loose the reality side of things.

NO NO NO NO I have not been promoted... FF for Life

[justdoitking]

My oh my a 4 day flight schedule.... how nice would that be. Than the day before your two days off a training day. I know in larger offices this was trialled do not know if it still happens and was done by squads.

I think IN The Air said it best... each field office handles it different, just like everything else. This is one thing you will get use to some FAMS get things and others do not and it all depends on the SAC at the time. One consistent thing with the service is inconsistency.

Ha ha the Thanksgiving Morale Booster of 2004.

PIGS glad to hear your still a FF, thought maybe you got promoted to be Byers Assistant.

Did FAMS get a new Assistant Director?

[gonefishin]

I think a lot of people said a bunch of stuff that was misconstrued (sp). I responded because the above quote, to me, sounds as if this person is saying that FAMs don't even bother cuffing people. They just start blazing. All I was saying is that FAMs are LE and we don't have carte blanch (sp) to just make up our own use of force model. That was all I was saying. I just wanted to make sure this person didn't think it was type of commando stuff.

I don't know about all the other discussions about training and stuff. I'm not involved in that discussion.


FAMS don't get carte blanche but they do get a James Bond 007 License To Kill....it looks almost like a drivers license

[Ali G]

FAMS don't get carte blanche but they do get a James Bond 007 License To Kill....it looks almost like a drivers license

LOL. Word.

[paul354]

How is everybody doing on their Apps? I'm about half way done with the KSAs myself. - I was hoping to just be able to copy over what I did last year to AVUE, but since they are doing in-house they changed everything.

[paul354]

I would like to thank all of the FAMS that have provided information and advice on this thread through out the last year. I received a phone call this morning that has brought the biggest smile to my face that has ever been on it. hope to see some of you gentleman in the future.

Wow, Congrats JB!!!!! Which announcement did you get the call on ('08 or the new '09 one?)

Hopefully I'll have my KSAs done soon and will someday be selected to join you and the program that I've admired and respected since I learned of it 7+ Years ago.

[PigsdoFly]

FAMS don't get carte blanche but they do get a James Bond 007 License To Kill....it looks almost like a drivers license

Mine is signed by the greatest Bond ever, Sir Sean Connery.:cool:

[Ali G]

Mine is signed by the greatest Bond ever, Sir Sean Connery.:cool:

That is weird. My creds only have cypress hill lyrics in them. "Much too fat like sumo... slammin that aaaaa" etc.

[ayden0526]

Wow, Congrats JB!!!!! Which announcement did you get the call on ('08 or the new '09 one?)

Hopefully I'll have my KSAs done soon and will someday be selected to join you and the program that I've admired and respected since I learned of it 7+ Years ago.

I wouldnt rush them...I would suggest filling up as many characters as you can in the ksa's ("I love Me") blocks with careful articulation and no grammatical errors. If their administration is competent in the way they screen applicants, these blocks will be worth something. Thats a big IF though. I have all ideas they wont be calling on the new announcement in a hurry, in light of the fact that they have probably already filled the next couple of classes on the back-log of prior applicants so far along in the process. Yet then again...what do I know, a friend of mine had a seat in class only 7 weeks after he put his application in last year...so who knows.

congrats jb and good luck

[LS1]

JB,

What FO did you get? Did they give you a couple of offices to choose from or just assign you one FO on the spot?

[miked6]

Do you have to submit KSA's at the time you complete the online app, or can you save and come back to it? Are they just answering questions in the online application system, or does it require in depth explanation for each KSA listed on the vacancy announcement? Little confused as previous 1811 vacancies have 3 or 4 that you submit in narrative form with your resume.

[Fedman 111]

Guys,

Here’s my story and I’m sure many of you can relate and for those of you who can’t I’m hoping you can give me some advice. I have ten years of active duty enlisted Navy service (non MP or LE). I separated under honorable conditions nine months ago after obtaining my Bachelor’s degree in Criminal Justice in the pursuit of a law enforcement career. I applied to be a Federal Air Marshal around February of last year and I made it through my interviews, did the PFT, and completed the SF-86 on the E-QIP website. All I needed was the medical screening and was told my package was up at headquarters waiting for a review. I received a phone call from headquarters and they asked me for my DD-214 (discharge papers) I was still active duty at the time with two weeks left on my contract so I couldn’t provide an actual DD-214. I was able to send in a statement of service which explained that I would be getting out in two weeks under honorable conditions signed by my commanding officer at the time. They later called and said I needed to provide an actual DD-214 which I did after the two weeks but by that time it seemed everything had slowed down and I finally received an email stating that they had filled all positions for the time being but that my application would still be under review if future openings became available and this was in July of last year. Since then I applied to be a Border Patrol Agent and I made it through everything, I’m just waiting on my EOD. My background check cleared on the 14th of this month and I’ll be going in as GL-7. I really want to be and Air Marshal and I applied to the new vacancy that just opened up can you guys please give me some advice? I’ve been unemployed since I separated from the Navy and I’ve had job offers from the local Sheriff’s Office which I didn’t take because of a two year commitment and I was also offered a good position with Lockheed Martin doing what I did in the Navy which I didn’t want to do. I still have an active security clearance from the Navy and I enlisted in the Navy Reserves as an Intelligence Specialist because they had a $20,000.00 bonus and because they’re going to send me to school for two years. What are my chances of getting in? If I go CBP will it help? Will the Air Marshal Service accept my medical screening and background check from CBP or will I have to do all of this stuff over again? I’ll appreciate any advice.

[Ali G]

Guys,

Here’s my story and I’m sure many of you can relate and for those of you who can’t I’m hoping you can give me some advice. I have ten years of active duty enlisted Navy service (non MP or LE). I separated under honorable conditions nine months ago after obtaining my Bachelor’s degree in Criminal Justice in the pursuit of a law enforcement career. I applied to be a Federal Air Marshal around February of last year and I made it through my interviews, did the PFT, and completed the SF-86 on the E-QIP website. All I needed was the medical screening and was told my package was up at headquarters waiting for a review. I received a phone call from headquarters and they asked me for my DD-214 (discharge papers) I was still active duty at the time with two weeks left on my contract so I couldn’t provide an actual DD-214. I was able to send in a statement of service which explained that I would be getting out in two weeks under honorable conditions signed by my commanding officer at the time. They later called and said I needed to provide an actual DD-214 which I did after the two weeks but by that time it seemed everything had slowed down and I finally received an email stating that they had filled all positions for the time being but that my application would still be under review if future openings became available and this was in July of last year. Since then I applied to be a Border Patrol Agent and I made it through everything, I’m just waiting on my EOD. My background check cleared on the 14th of this month and I’ll be going in as GL-7. I really want to be and Air Marshal and I applied to the new vacancy that just opened up can you guys please give me some advice? I’ve been unemployed since I separated from the Navy and I’ve had job offers from the local Sheriff’s Office which I didn’t take because of a two year commitment and I was also offered a good position with Lockheed Martin doing what I did in the Navy which I didn’t want to do. I still have an active security clearance from the Navy and I enlisted in the Navy Reserves as an Intelligence Specialist because they had a $20,000.00 bonus and because they’re going to send me to school for two years. What are my chances of getting in? If I go CBP will it help? Will the Air Marshal Service accept my medical screening and background check from CBP or will I have to do all of this stuff over again? I’ll appreciate any advice.


Fedman,

I'm pretty sure that a TS clearance will transfer within the DHS. If you were going to the DOJ (FBI, ATF, etc.), you would end up having to do it over. Your medical stuff will likely have to be done again. Your DoD clearances are irrelevant (sp).

I think, and this goes for anyone who is considering between two jobs in the Fed, that you should take whichever job calls first. We have all seen people up and leave in the middle of an academy because some other agency finally called with an offer. The thing about the G is that everything could stop at any minute. You don't want to pass up on good experience hoping for the FAMS to call. My advice: Take the BP job and keep applying to the FAMS during openings. You might decide you like the BP and say "forget being an Air Marshal." The BP will get you some good LE experience that will really help you if/when you finally start with the FAMS. Then, you will actually have some experience instead of being one of these poor souls who never actually did police work before becoming a FAM. You don't really want to be on your first arrest as a FAM. It would be better for you to make those mistakes that come along with your first few arrests under the watchful eye of a senior partner or Field Training Officer. You are kind of thrown to the wolves as a FAM, so it would be better to have some LEO experience. So, that is a long way of saying that the BP can only help you. Honestly, you would probably look back after 5 years and say that it was a good thing that you spent a year or so with the BP before coming over to the FAMS.

Also, if you are serious about coming over to the FAMS, you need to understand that they only hire for hard to fill offices usually. The current vacancy announcement will give you an idea of some of those offices. If you go to BP, you might want to, you know, not buy a house or anything and be ready to go if/when the FAMS does call. I would also try to contact an HR person and brief them on your status and find out if you can have your file activated (or whatever terminology they use). Just, like a soft reminder that you passed everything, but a technicality stopped you at the final stage. Maybe they really did set your file aside for these current openings. Or, maybe they lost it.

The only real issue I see with you going BP if they call first appointments. You won't be able to complete any FAMS hiring appointments while you are at the BP academy. That is a decision you will have to make. It isn't smart to pass up a guaranteed job for a job that may or may not ever materialize.

[Supersonic527]

Fedman,

I'm pretty sure that a TS clearance will transfer within the DHS. If you were going to the DOJ (FBI, ATF, etc.), you would end up having to do it over. Your medical stuff will likely have to be done again. Your DoD clearances are irrelevant (sp).

I think, and this goes for anyone who is considering between two jobs in the Fed, that you should take whichever job calls first. We have all seen people up and leave in the middle of an academy because some other agency finally called with an offer. The thing about the G is that everything could stop at any minute. You don't want to pass up on good experience hoping for the FAMS to call. My advice: Take the BP job and keep applying to the FAMS during openings. You might decide you like the BP and say "forget being an Air Marshal." The BP will get you some good LE experience that will really help you if/when you finally start with the FAMS. Then, you will actually have some experience instead of being one of these poor souls who never actually did police work before becoming a FAM. You don't really want to be on your first arrest as a FAM. It would be better for you to make those mistakes that come along with your first few arrests under the watchful eye of a senior partner or Field Training Officer. You are kind of thrown to the wolves as a FAM, so it would be better to have some LEO experience. So, that is a long way of saying that the BP can only help you. Honestly, you would probably look back after 5 years and say that it was a good thing that you spent a year or so with the BP before coming over to the FAMS.

Also, if you are serious about coming over to the FAMS, you need to understand that they only hire for hard to fill offices usually. The current vacancy announcement will give you an idea of some of those offices. If you go to BP, you might want to, you know, not buy a house or anything and be ready to go if/when the FAMS does call. I would also try to contact an HR person and brief them on your status and find out if you can have your file activated (or whatever terminology they use). Just, like a soft reminder that you passed everything, but a technicality stopped you at the final stage. Maybe they really did set your file aside for these current openings. Or, maybe they lost it.

The only real issue I see with you going BP if they call first appointments. You won't be able to complete any FAMS hiring appointments while you are at the BP academy. That is a decision you will have to make. It isn't smart to pass up a guaranteed job for a job that may or may not ever materialize.

Well said Ali G. I'm a classic example of that. When I was going through the FAMS process back in 2006/2007 I keep waiting and waiting for them to call. I had to move on with other options and started applying elsewhere. I eventually went with a local PD and am all the better for it. Don't pass on the first offer to wait for the second. The second one might never call...as was the case with me. I intend to apply again and if they call this time I'll make the decision whether or not to go.

[Fedman 111]

Fedman,

I'm pretty sure that a TS clearance will transfer within the DHS. If you were going to the DOJ (FBI, ATF, etc.), you would end up having to do it over. Your medical stuff will likely have to be done again. Your DoD clearances are irrelevant (sp).

I think, and this goes for anyone who is considering between two jobs in the Fed, that you should take whichever job calls first. We have all seen people up and leave in the middle of an academy because some other agency finally called with an offer. The thing about the G is that everything could stop at any minute. You don't want to pass up on good experience hoping for the FAMS to call. My advice: Take the BP job and keep applying to the FAMS during openings. You might decide you like the BP and say "forget being an Air Marshal." The BP will get you some good LE experience that will really help you if/when you finally start with the FAMS. Then, you will actually have some experience instead of being one of these poor souls who never actually did police work before becoming a FAM. You don't really want to be on your first arrest as a FAM. It would be better for you to make those mistakes that come along with your first few arrests under the watchful eye of a senior partner or Field Training Officer. You are kind of thrown to the wolves as a FAM, so it would be better to have some LEO experience. So, that is a long way of saying that the BP can only help you. Honestly, you would probably look back after 5 years and say that it was a good thing that you spent a year or so with the BP before coming over to the FAMS.

Also, if you are serious about coming over to the FAMS, you need to understand that they only hire for hard to fill offices usually. The current vacancy announcement will give you an idea of some of those offices. If you go to BP, you might want to, you know, not buy a house or anything and be ready to go if/when the FAMS does call. I would also try to contact an HR person and brief them on your status and find out if you can have your file activated (or whatever terminology they use). Just, like a soft reminder that you passed everything, but a technicality stopped you at the final stage. Maybe they really did set your file aside for these current openings. Or, maybe they lost it.

The only real issue I see with you going BP if they call first appointments. You won't be able to complete any FAMS hiring appointments while you are at the BP academy. That is a decision you will have to make. It isn't smart to pass up a guaranteed job for a job that may or may not ever materialize.

Ali G,

Thanks! I know I’ll get the call from CBP any day with my EOD and as you said the experience will come in handy. I guess things happen for a reason sometimes and if it’s not my time it’s not my time. I’ll go with Patrol when they call since I don’t want to make a decision without an offer from FAMS. I’ll try calling the field office where I processed to see where things stand and take it from there. Thanks once again and I’ll keep you guys posted.

[Up_On_Base]

Fedman,

If you completed everything except the medical I would guess you will get an offer in 2009 off the last announcement from 08.

Not everyone from my PTA was selected to do Eqip/Prints.

That being said, take your first offer and enjoy BP. Atleast you will know the lay of the land in Artesia if you get sent back for Phase 1 FAMS.

From what I have heard, DC and NYC are the hardest FO's to fill. If they are on your list you should have a good shot.

[Agent A-Hop]

Whats going on guys...I wanted to apply the the current FAM announcement, i'm 20 with 2 more semesters until the bachelors should/can I still apply? Let me know your opinions Thanks.

[Up_On_Base]

Whats going on guys...I wanted to apply the the current FAM announcement, i'm 20 with 2 more semesters until the bachelors should/can I still apply? Let me know your opinions Thanks.

Not sure what the age limit is, check the announcement.

Not sure if FAMS is the right gig for first LE job (not saying don't apply), if you are ready to kick in doors and make lock ups...go somewhere else.

I know, at 20 I was full of p iss and vinegar...now at almost 31 and w/ some LE experience...I am ready for this type of mission. Looking back, if I was 20 something again and not married I would be out west w/ CHP.

Good luck, let us know what you decide.

[PigsdoFly]

Whats going on guys...I wanted to apply the the current FAM announcement, i'm 20 with 2 more semesters until the bachelors should/can I still apply? Let me know your opinions Thanks.

The age minimum is 21, I would apply anyway.

[Agent A-Hop]

Up on Base...your right its just I'm trying to take advantage of any openings right now ya kno? You gotta start somewhere right? hah but I have other applications i have pending like CBP, and I just sent one in for SSUD. I'm willing to go anywhere in the country ya know, thats another reason why im going fed. Thanks for you opinion is def appreciated!

[Up_On_Base]

Up on Base...your right its just I'm trying to take advantage of any openings right now ya kno? You gotta start somewhere right? hah but I have other applications i have pending like CBP, and I just sent one in for SSUD. I'm willing to go anywhere in the country ya know, thats another reason why im going fed. Thanks for you opinion is def appreciated!

No problem, just understand the mission of most 0083 jobs (federal police), it's about security not enforcement.

IF, your goal is 1811/special agent getting "real or traditional" experience is better IMO. Plenty of good departments in MD/DC area that need good people. Both MD State and B-more city run 4 day complete out of state programs for hiring.

You get 2-3 years on w/ Balt City, it's like doing 10 in most departments. MSP is also top notch...and MPDC is getting better by the day.

It all depends on the type of work you want to perform. If you are a hard charger, the feds is probably not the best choice, go local/state.

Again, best of luck

[justdoitking]

My advice is if your questioning it apply. If you are not qualified they will tell you, if you are qualified and they are interested they will follow up with you. This is the G they work in ways many do not understand.

My other advice is if you never applied for a job with the G and do not understand the KSA system and resume formatting etc. read about them fedsmith.com is a good starting point.

Keep in mind this is open for a month and closes. They may only accept applications once a year and this might be the last chance for 2009. Also chances are if you get an offer elsewhere you can finish the academy and have that to your advantage by the time your EOD rolls around. Plus it all goes toward retirement if it is 6c time.

GOOD LUCK TO EACH OF YOU!:)

[paul354]

Whats going on guys...I wanted to apply the the current FAM announcement, i'm 20 with 2 more semesters until the bachelors should/can I still apply? Let me know your opinions Thanks.

I was in the same situation as you during the '08 announcement. I did not get called though :confused:, I'm not sure if it was because my age automatically disqualified or some other factor. I'd say go for it. You never know until you try.

Wishing you the best!

[dtown101]

Whats going on guys...I wanted to apply the the current FAM announcement, i'm 20 with 2 more semesters until the bachelors should/can I still apply? Let me know your opinions Thanks.


you need to be 21 at the date you get hired...

[FCAP_2008]

Well I am back to this forum now that the new announcement is out. I am finished with everything but the medical. I talk to my mom this week and her psychic told her that I would be getting a federal job soon so hopefully I get the call I am ready. I have a feeling there will be some calls going out this week and next for a March Class. :D

[PSA #1]

Well I am back to this forum now that the new announcement is out. I am finished with everything but the medical. I talk to my mom this week and her psychic told her that I would be getting a federal job soon so hopefully I get the call I am ready. I have a feeling there will be some calls going out this week and next for a March Class. :D

You are finished with all but the medical on the new or old announcement? And when did you do your pannel/pta?

[FCAP_2008]

Old April 2008 finished

[Tac]

....................I re applied under the old and again under the new this weekend, got an update today....

[paul354]

....................I re applied under the old and again under the new this weekend, got an update today....

I did not yet reapply for the new announcement...I'm still doing the KSAs...what's the update?

[audi0xpl0de]

I applied under both, no email yet.

[GuyinCali]

....................I re applied under the old and again under the new this weekend, got an update today....

What did the email say? EOD?

[ayden0526]

I would love to know how this is gonna unfold. When I applied under the 08 announcement, 15 seconds later I had gotten an email nearly quoting that I had "tentitively passed the basic qualifications and could expect a phone interview in the near future".

Funny thing is....I actually got the phone interview....so AVUE was apparently on top of their game. This system is supposed to be far more effecient and effective. Never-the-less.....I would love to get the same email again.

Has anyone gotten any type of automated response?

[Thor1911]

My guess is that we will not hear anything until after the announcment closes next month. At that point I think the system will process the applications based on the multiple choice questions and then they will review our written KSA anwers. If we pass that, then we will get calls for interviews and the other stuff.

The above is my guess on how it will work. It is not gospel and I am sure one of our friendly neighborhood FAMs can provide better and more accurate insight.

[rbakous1]

My guess is that we will not hear anything until after the announcment closes next month. At that point I think the system will process the applications based on the multiple choice questions and then they will review our written KSA anwers. If we pass that, then we will get calls for interviews and the other stuff.

The above is my guess on how it will work. It is not gospel and I am sure one of our friendly neighborhood FAMs can provide better and more accurate insight.


Does anyone know how they handle out of state applicants?

[Up_On_Base]

Does anyone know how they handle out of state applicants?

You will show up for the panel interview/PTA/Drug test usually closest FO to your home.

If not, the closest hiring FO.

[500pearl]

I submitted my application and relevant forms online for the Jan 2009 opening. Still have not received any email confirming the receipt of my application. My friend applied four days before I did and received an email Monday confirming the receipt of his application.

Question, the job posting did not indicate any need or preference for applicants with language skills. Does anyone know if language skills are sought after for the position? (ex. hear incriminating information being discussed in native tongue during flight)

Also, a technical question. If a FAM covertly alerts (does not want to reveal identity to fellow passengers) the local ICE personnel of a passenger, does ICE assume jurisdiction over the arrest and subsequent investigations of that individual?

[Ali G]

I submitted my application and relevant forms online for the Jan 2009 opening. Still have not received any email confirming the receipt of my application. My friend applied four days before I did and received an email Monday confirming the receipt of his application.

Question, the job posting did not indicate any need or preference for applicants with language skills. Does anyone know if language skills are sought after for the position? (ex. hear incriminating information being discussed in native tongue during flight)

Also, a technical question. If a FAM covertly alerts (does not want to reveal identity to fellow passengers) the local ICE personnel of a passenger, does ICE assume jurisdiction over the arrest and subsequent investigations of that individual?


Language skills are always a good thing. I would plaster that anywhere you can within the application. Same goes if you get an interview. That would be a skill that many applicants don't have so you would need to sell it.

Can you reword the question regarding "ICE personnel fo a passenger?" I don't understand what you are asking.

[500pearl]

my ice hypothethical. fam on board hears something incriminating or suspicious. once landed fam alerts ice agent to search subject and subsequent investigation. in other words does fam only take care of safety during flight and not care about possible cases that require further investigating which fam does not have time to do on land.

[dtown101]

I submitted my application and relevant forms online for the Jan 2009 opening. Still have not received any email confirming the receipt of my application. My friend applied four days before I did and received an email Monday confirming the receipt of his application.

Question, the job posting did not indicate any need or preference for applicants with language skills. Does anyone know if language skills are sought after for the position? (ex. hear incriminating information being discussed in native tongue during flight)

Also, a technical question. If a FAM covertly alerts (does not want to reveal identity to fellow passengers) the local ICE personnel of a passenger, does ICE assume jurisdiction over the arrest and subsequent investigations of that individual?

We dont know who else reads this forum ...so we FAMS would not tell our tactics in a public forum...sorry bro

[VCSOMotor91]

I just reapplied and faxed my documents. Two of my good friends from work that applied the same time as me in early 2008 just got the call to complete a physical and to go to training.

[500pearl]

dtown, i was not inquiring as to the exact steps. it was a technical question regarding jurisdiction, who has it, ice or fam?

[INTHEAIRCOP]

I am not sure why a FAM would call an ICE agent for anything that happens on an aircraft. As a FAM we handel everything that happens on the aircraft to include airports. The FAM is basicaly a plain clothes cop and he would do the same thing that any street cop would do. The FBI is our lead investigation angency if something big needs to be investigated. "I did not let any tactics out by saying any of this."

If a FAM has some suspicion on a passnger then a 'terry stop' would be next. If the FAM has pc then he would take it further. This is all basic police 101 and I am not sure why I am even talking about this now.

[GuyinCali]

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[TerminalBliss]

dtown, i was not inquiring as to the exact steps. it was a technical question regarding jurisdiction, who has it, ice or fam?

Ah, now that IS a good question...welcome to the lovely world of multiple, shared jurisdictions. While FAMs do indeed have broad authorities, they are not cross-designated with Title 8, 19, or 21 authorities. This means that any infraction involving violations of such would be referred to the appropriate agency for action, be that ICE, DEA, etc. Basically, the FAM detains and passes the individual off should the applicable agency decide to get involved.

While ITAC was correct in that FAMs are basically plain clothes cops and identified the FBI as being the primary investigative agency (true for just about any Federal crime), FAMs for the most part don't do investigations beyond that associated with any first responder...ie, who, what, when, why, where, and how...establish PC if the elements of the crime(s) are met, and arrest/detain the perp. Any subsequent investigation will not be led by the FAMs, but by other local, state, or Federal agency (or combination thereof) depending on who has jurisdiction, the relative seriousness of the offense, and, in the case of Federal violations, if you can get an AUSA to sign off on prosecution.

Stay safe,

TB

[horse]

all true ,well said

[rbakous1]

You will show up for the panel interview/PTA/Drug test usually closest FO to your home.

If not, the closest hiring FO.

Cool thanks.

[rbakous1]

You will show up for the panel interview/PTA/Drug test usually closest FO to your home.

If not, the closest hiring FO.

Cool Thanks

[Up_On_Base]

Hey guys.

There will be another spot open for the March class, I could not accept the offer.

Best of luck to all applicants, I was very impressed with FAMS overall. I like to call it Secret Service light, very professional with less attitude.

If I was a single guy w/o mortgage and family the offer would have been great, but not today. The pay cut was too large for my family...plus the ride to the FO would be 1.5 hours....yikes!

FYI - I will not post on here or PM what the offer was. To the other guys in my former class, have fun in Artestia and ACY.

Be well...UOB

[Tac]

Single,totally mobile.. bring it!

[500pearl]

single, no kids, no house, no mortgage, just student loans.
I applied to the recent opening, really hope they take language skills into consideration when determining who to invite for testing/interview/the whole process.

[Up_On_Base]

single, no kids, no house, no mortgage, just student loans.
I applied to the recent opening, really hope they take language skills into consideration when determining who to invite for testing/interview/the whole process.

Well...good luck.

If you don't have previous LE, advanced degree, or military it might be tough. Most of the guys from my medical were all former LE or military, I think only 2 were not.

IMO, it's not a great entry level job. You should start in a more proactive form of LE, FAMS is best suited for guys who been there/done that...that way they don't care if they get lock ups, lights/sirens, hot calls, esprit de corps, etc.

Good luck again all.

[PSA #1]

Question..........
After your SAC interview, how long and what other steps before you get an offer? Will offer be explained, (base, ot, leap, etc.) or do you just get a base number and take it or leave it?
Thanks!

[wfoss]

Hey guys.

There will be another spot open for the March class, I could not accept the offer and my counter was rejected.

Best of luck to all applicants, I was very impressed with FAMS overall. I like to call it Secret Service light, very professional with less attitude.

If I was a single guy w/o mortgage and family the offer would have been great, but not today. The pay cut was too large for my family...plus the ride to the FO would be 1.5 hours....yikes!

FYI - I will not post on here or PM what the offer was. To the other guys in my former class, have fun in Artestia and ACY.

Be well...UOB

Sorry to hear that man, any idea on what direction you are leaning towards?

[GoldBadge]

I'm also sorry to hear that Up_On_Base. I knew you really wanted that gig. Best of luck to you in finding something more suitable for your home life. In the end, it's your family that counts most. It took me some searching but I found a real good fit.

As a side note, when I read your "Secret Service light" comment I got a real good giggle. :p

[Up_On_Base]

Sorry to hear that man, any idea on what direction you are leaning towards?

Thanks dude.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

The base starting pay with everything would be around $55,000 - $60,000 a year. The new posting states that all new hires will come in at the G band. So if you get the offer and can do it then take the job. I wouldn't even bring up the pay due to the fact there are thousands that are in line for this job for some reason.

"I am intheaircop and have been for 7 years"

[bahrain]

I read several articles lately on the health of Federal Air Marshals. The article pointed out that many serious medical problems are prevelant among Air Marshals due to the amount of flying they do. Problems such as deep vein thrombosis, ruptured eardrums, and sinus issues are forcing many Air Marshals into early medical retirement and also forcing some to lose their jobs.

These questions are for all current/former Air Marshals on this forum:

Do you feel being an Air Marshal is detrimental to your health?

How many people in your field office have resigned or quit due to health problems?

When flying through different time zones, what do you do to combat the effects of jet lag?

Are Air Marshals allowed to take sleep aids such as Lunesta or Ambien when they are staying overnight in a different time zone or overseas?

Are Air Marshals allowed to stand up and walk around during a long flight or do they just have to sit in their seat the whole time.

I am asking these questions because I am seriously considering applying to the FAMS, but I do not want to end up with a serious health problem due to the effects of constant flying.

[Tac]

:) .........................................

[PSA #1]

:) .........................................




Congrats!! Did you do your SAC yet?

[911fedz]

PSA #1 did you here anything yet!!

[PSA #1]

Yes, you were right.
I got my SAiC int. nxt wk.

[FCAP_2008]

Congrats TAC. So calls are going out I have my fingers and toes crossed. I got my new application done today but I hope I get called off the 08 one. I really dont wanna do all that testing again but whatever it takes right. :D

[dtown101]

:) .........................................

calls are going out...couple of my friends just got calls to do their med...after med is passed you will get a final offer!!!!

[911fedz]

Hey Guys got the call, I was offer a field office that is really cold, where there is a statue of Liberty. Anybody knows about places to live in that area!!!

[500pearl]

best place is somewhere in queens, close to JFK/LGA. renting in the city is not worth it considering you will not be there most of the time so why pay $2000+/month for a 1 br in manhattan. i would suggest astoria, fresh meadows, bayside, bay terrace, PM me if you want more details.

[Quick2352]

Hey Guys got the call, I was offer a field office that is really cold, where there is a statue of Liberty. Anybody knows about places to live in that area!!!

When did you submit you application? What is your timeline?

[gonefishin]

Question..........
After your SAC interview, how long and what other steps before you get an offer? Will offer be explained, (base, ot, leap, etc.) or do you just get a base number and take it or leave it?
Thanks!
When they call with a final offer they will give you your total salary (Base, LEAP and Locality) and they will explain the breakdown. They will then fax you a letter with the breakdown of your salary for you to sign and fax back f you accept the job

[gonefishin]

Hey Guys got the call, I was offer a field office that is really cold, where there is a statue of Liberty. Anybody knows about places to live in that area!!!

500pearl is right....the FO will probably send you a list of places, at least for you to stay temporarily, while you are at the FO prior to shipping out. If you are single I would look into getting a place with some others in your class. During Phase II you should be close enough to take some weekend trips to check out potential apartments.

[mnbulldawg]

SO are they hiring now?

Im newly single and hate work...Id apply at least

[Up_On_Base]

Hey Guys got the call, I was offer a field office that is really cold, where there is a statue of Liberty. Anybody knows about places to live in that area!!!

I lived in NYC for 6 years, mostly in mid-town and lower east side.

Had some friends in Astoria, some decent places in Queens. Good food and beer gardens...and quick trip into Manhattan. I would move somewhere with decent street parking options, it will be key to your sanity.

I had a car when living in the city but my company paid for the monthly rent, it was $400 ish if I recall. Depends on how close you want to live and if you have kids. If you have a family, try Westchester Co...all of westchester is great except for parts of Yonkers.

[500pearl]

fresh meadows is ideally situated. it is 20-25 minutes from both JFK and LGA.

[justdoitking]

calls are going out...couple of my friends just got calls to do their med...after med is passed you will get a final offer!!!!

Is this true? What about those guys hanging around who finished everything in 08, including medical who have yet to get an offer? Although it seems like Newbies to the process are being pushed right along.:confused:

[Tac]

And got the call for medical this morning...

[ayden0526]

Is this true? What about those guys hanging around who finished everything in 08, including medical who have yet to get an offer? Although it seems like Newbies to the process are being pushed right along.:confused:

Luck of the Draw Brother.....Luck of the Draw! Atleast it seems that way...doesnt it? Some are in the process as little as 6-weeks, and then some are in it for years!

[justdoitking]

I read several articles lately on the health of Federal Air Marshals. The article pointed out that many serious medical problems are prevelant among Air Marshals due to the amount of flying they do. Problems such as deep vein thrombosis, ruptured eardrums, and sinus issues are forcing many Air Marshals into early medical retirement and also forcing some to lose their jobs.

I am asking these questions because I am seriously considering applying to the FAMS, but I do not want to end up with a serious health problem due to the effects of constant flying.

I know they have a large OWCP Bill, rough estimate would be 5-15% of FAMS have at some time received or applied for OWCP. Many will not apply for fear of retaliation. The sad thing is they refuse to issue FAMS who medically retire for a service connected injury (Injured in the line of duty) retirement creds so they can not even carry as permitted by HR218.

Lunesta and similar drugs are prohibited by FAA regs that govern the FAMS medical standards commonly refereed to as Airmens' Certification.

Being an Air Marshal is not detrimental to ones health, it is the scheduling.....

[ayden0526]

for those that applied on the 09 posting.....has anyone gotten any type of confirmation of TSA's reciept of the application?...the only response that i have gotten is the confirmation of my fax they recieved.

[Ali G]

I know they have a large OWCP Bill, rough estimate would be 5-15% of FAMS have at some time received or applied for OWCP. Many will not apply for fear of retaliation. The sad thing is they refuse to issue FAMS who medically retire for a service connected injury (Injured in the line of duty) retirement creds so they can not even carry as permitted by HR218.

Lunesta and similar drugs are prohibited by FAA regs that govern the FAMS medical standards commonly refereed to as Airmens' Certification.

Being an Air Marshal is not detrimental to ones health, it is the scheduling.....

That 5 - 15% stat doesn't really mean anything unless you can compare it to other agencies. Also, I would bet that the majority of those claims come from training injuries incurred in the mat room. And I have never known anyone who was scared to file an OWCP claim due to fear of reprisal. I'm not saying it doesn't happen. I have just never heard of it.

[justdoitking]

That 5 - 15% stat doesn't really mean anything unless you can compare it to other agencies. Also, I would bet that the majority of those claims come from training injuries incurred in the mat room. And I have never known anyone who was scared to file an OWCP claim due to fear of reprisal. I'm not saying it doesn't happen. I have just never heard of it.

Ali you are right, I should rephrase that the service is 3-5% higher than other agencies per capita, and the dollar value of injuries are much higher than other injuries. I would agree that a lot come from the training side of the house, but the amount of ENT, DVT claims etc... are amazing and definitely come from flying.

I like your location! ;) Just put FAM HQS

[justdoitking]

I hope all of the applicants get moved along the process quickly. If you are unemployed think about applying for a Screeners position or other support position in the TSA within the 1800 series and come in through the internal process, so to speak they created to bring others in.

[rbakous1]

for those that applied on the 09 posting.....has anyone gotten any type of confirmation of TSA's reciept of the application?...the only response that i have gotten is the confirmation of my fax they recieved.

You can login to USA jobs then go to your applications page. You will see FAM announcement you applied for, next to it will be a link underneath "resume received" that will take you directly to to TSA Website, from there you can view your answers, change and update information as necessary. You can e-mail yourself a copy of your responses.

[froggy]

You have to take care of yourself in this job; work out, eat right, and realize the symptoms if you are getting sick. The scheduling is tough, and the guy is right about that being likely the main reason we are getting problems. The job is awesome though, and extremely unique.

[justdoitking]

If you go back to post 12 months ago, you can see a clear pattern of the recruit and select process very cyclic. Froggy hopefully you are a Vet and will be finishing your probation up this month and still enjoying the job a year on is good news.

[GuyinCali]

Let's keep our fingers crossed for more calls this week for EOD's....

[Patrio72]

Is anyone else having trouble connecting to the TSA site to check an active application?

I can't connect from USAJobs to update my application.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Patriot72

[audi0xpl0de]

Is anyone else having trouble connecting to the TSA site to check an active application?

I can't connect from USAJobs to update my application.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Patriot72

It's been down for about a day or so. They are probably doing maintenance. All you can do is wait until it is back up.

[ArkPO]

I'm so happy to read that I'm not the only one having problems. I was getting mad at this computer!

[justdoitking]

Is anyone else having trouble connecting to the TSA site to check an active application?

I can't connect from USAJobs to update my application.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Patriot72

This is the problem with using Monster jobs to host such a platform. I have heard local FO's are going to have less and less to do with recruitment under the new Human Capital contract awarded to LM.

Seems like some things may never change.... Looks like Obama was right about the contract, when he indicated he had concerns.

[horse]

not really true.interviews will still be done at a fo,in some cases multiple interviews ,hopefully it stays that way.from what i have heard anyway.the prelim stuff gets filtered by LM then feds take over. .....................for those who get hired,,,,,,,,,,,,,its hit or miss.you could be military SF and have leo experience and never get the call if they do not like you in the interview.on the other hand,you might know someone,have not a bit of experience and get hired.for all those who are hired know what i mean,those who are not, will find out.not much reason to the process.but great job none the less.

[justdoitking]

not really true.interviews will still be done at a fo,in some cases multiple interviews ,hopefully it stays that way.from what i have heard anyway.the prelim stuff gets filtered by LM then feds take over. .....................for those who get hired,,,,,,,,,,,,,its hit or miss.you could be military SF and have leo experience and never get the call if they do not like you in the interview.on the other hand,you might know someone,have not a bit of experience and get hired.for all those who are hired know what i mean,those who are not, will find out.not much reason to the process.but great job none the less.

I heard they are looking at getting away from the FO being in control of interviews etc., so there is not so much interview bias between offices. They are looking at going to a system that has LM set up the panels with A FAM on each panel and not management, as the comment was they want some one on the panel that knows the job.:) This came from a Senior Staff at the agency!

[Patrio72]

Well, the site is back up thankfully. I was curious about a couple of items.

1) There is a 2,000 characters limit for the KSA's. Should I conclude that is characters with spaces or characters without spaces? MS Word does a count for both.

2) The announcement had listed the particulars of the PTA to include pullups, situps and 1.5 mile run. The PTA specifics are no longer listed in the announcment so I was wondering if anyone knew if the pushup test had been taken out?

Patriot72

[PigsdoFly]

I was curiousThe PTA specifics are no longer listed in the announcment so I was wondering if anyone knew if the pushup test had been taken out?


You still have to do push-ups.

[Patrio72]

There used to be a link to the PT standards. Does anyone know where I can find the PT standards for the latest announcement?

Thanks!
Patriot72

[Ali G]

Well, the site is back up thankfully. I was curious about a couple of items.

1) There is a 2,000 characters limit for the KSA's. Should I conclude that is characters with spaces or characters without spaces? MS Word does a count for both.

2) The announcement had listed the particulars of the PTA to include pullups, situps and 1.5 mile run. The PTA specifics are no longer listed in the announcment so I was wondering if anyone knew if the pushup test had been taken out?

Patriot72

It depends on how old you are. First thing to remember is that you can't fail. They can, however, use your scores as a determining factor if you are close to another applicant when decision time comes.

Lets see. I just passed from the under 30 group to the 30 and above group so I may be getting things mixed. I think I can remember the general numbers:

Up to 30 years old:

Excellent run is like 10:13 and below (it might be 10:17), but I remember that it is definitely low 10's. I believe good goes up to like high 10's or low to mid 11's.

Push ups: I think 52 is excellent. Maybe it was 55. I would shoot for 60.
Sit ups: I believe it is 46, 47, or 48. I would shoot for 50.
Pull ups: I think 11 is excellent.

Over 30:

I believe high 10's is excellent. Good goes from high 10's to like 12:10 or something.
Push ups: I think 46 or 47 is excellent: Shoot for 50.
Sit ups: I thought it was like 43 or 45: Shoot for 50.
Pull ups: I believe it only goes down by 1, so you are still doing 10 for excellent.

Hope that helped. I know I was vague. Sorry.

[Mark Meyer]

None, but I have stayed at a Holiday Inn once. Tactics and arrests made are apples and oranges.



Dude, you have no idea of my real world experience. If I offended you, good, you deserved it. You come off with a comment about getting rid of air marshals, and to let YOU(you made a comment about local officers, but you meant you) freeload a seat on an aircraft. You want a free ride on a plane, join up and become a marshal. I didn't come off disrespecting local officers. If I have, it wasn't my intent, my intent was with you. You made the asinine comment and continue to do such. You disrespected us, first, I'm just responding.



I'm still waiting for you to NOT state the obvious.



As a Air Marshal, no sir, I have not arrested anyone by gunpoint. As a federal officer, with over 10 years of experience, yes I have, several. I've also been in four shoot outs and shot once. I've also made drug seizures in the thousands of pounds, arrested drunks, pedophiles, rapist, murderers, smugglers etc, etc. I don't know what makes you think that your typical air marshal has never done anything, but ride in a plane. You need to seriously check your facts officer, or, get some better snitches. The ones you have, have been steering you wrong.



I just compared myself to you. How do I stack up now.

Hey Welpe, I didn't know you posted here. Thanks for the warm welcome. I see everyone here isn't making uninformed comments.

I saw this one coming, and USA you did ask for it. Sorry, but you did come off a bit rough. FAM's do have a job to do, and yes, it is different than that of a LEO on the streets. However, one can not judge another until he has walked in their shoes. I give each position the respect that if deserves, and both deserve it very much. This world would be a bad place without both of them. I just wanted to put in my .02. Sorry, if I offended anyone, but it neede to be said.
Mark

[Bearcat357]

I saw this one coming, and USA you did ask for it. Sorry, but you did come off a bit rough. FAM's do have a job to do, and yes, it is different than that of a LEO on the streets. However, one can not judge another until he has walked in their shoes. I give each position the respect that if deserves, and both deserve it very much. This world would be a bad place without both of them. I just wanted to put in my .02. Sorry, if I offended anyone, but it neede to be said.
Mark

Errr....you need to pay attention slick...

That post was typed out in 2005!!! :rolleyes:

Secondly, the person posting it (a good friend of mine) is not really active over here any more and isn't with the FAMS.....He's moved onto another FLEO job.......

[INTHEAIRCOP]

Big Sexy has left the FAMs a long time ago. He is now a real 1811 fighting real crime. Us low air marshals are just on the bottom of the pile. LOL

Tired of these RONs, need to sleep in my own bead, DCA is killing me, Spirit is so ghetto airlines, and I am about to kill the next passenger who takes off their shoes and clips their toe nails!

[horse]

lol,wow.its all the same everywhere you go. i feel your pain.....and spirit is def ghetto,they charge for water .WTF............we are a little spoiled though.and you gotta love dca...........i have watched more football games there at the gates than my own house

[johdanjon]

How many FAM spots are going to be filled this time around?

[PigsdoFly]

Big Sexy has left the FAMs a long time ago. He is now a real 1811 fighting real crime. Us low air marshals are just on the bottom of the pile. LOL

I wish I could fight real crime, getting paid six figures for so little is killing me;)

[Ali G]

How many FAM spots are going to be filled this time around?

I can pretty much guarantee that nobody is going to answer that question for a couple reasons:

1. nobody really knows... only rumors they heard.

2. In case you haven't noticed, we are pretty secretive. You can't ask those kinds of questions because that info could be the last peace of the puzzle badguys need to complete their master plan. Seriously though, that is probably more info than you are gonna get on here. It also depends on where you are applying to and how many a particular field office is hiring. That's if we really have field offices at all. Which, I am not admiting that we do. You just never know. Very secretive indeed.

[johdanjon]

Not trying to sound rude, but I couldn't care less if the FAM's have field offices or not. I know that FAM's are secretive, thats a no brainer, BUT, the FBI just announced their hiring frenzy a few weeks ago and I wasn't sure if I had missed the announcement from TSA somewhere along the way.

2. Thanks for the other guys that sent me private messages about it. I appreciate the LEO to LEO info/courtesy.

[Ali G]

Not trying to sound rude, but I couldn't care less if the FAM's have field offices or not. I know that FAM's are secretive, thats a no brainer, BUT, the FBI just announced their hiring frenzy a few weeks ago and I wasn't sure if I had missed the announcement from TSA somewhere along the way.

2. Thanks for the other guys that sent me private messages about it. I appreciate the LEO to LEO info/courtesy.

Dude, calm down. I was just messing around. In fact, I was poking fun at the some of the people on here who think everything FAMs do is super duper secret. I was being very sarcastic about the existence of field offices. I figured the existence of field offices were a given. I guess sarcasm is lost via written communication. My bad. I'll start throwing emoticons in there. I'm glad someone PMd you. I know I had a lot of questions too. Seriously though, anything anyone told you is probably rumor. Maybe true, but still probably based off rumor. I see you are in Georgia. From what I hear, ATL is one of the better offices (given the other options). Good luck.

[Fedman 111]

Guys,

For all of those that applied last year I just got this today.

All applicants who applied under any previous Federal Air Marshal (FAM) announcement must reapply under this vacancy announcement to receive consideration for FAM positions. You may reapply by going to http://jobsearch.usajobs.gov/ and searching under Job Announcement Number FAM-F09-F001.





Department: Department Of Homeland Security
Agency: Transportation Security Administration
Sub Agency: DHS-Transportation Security Administration
Job Announcement Number:
FAM-F09-F001

[Bearcat357]

I was poking fun at the some of the people on here who think everything FAMs do is super duper secret.

Dude....the issue is this. A lot of aspects of your job are secret/need to know... You know that, I know that, and most others should know that based on your agencies policies. That was the conclusion of not only me.....but several of your co-workers. Hence, that's why posts were removed....

If folks want to know about the FAMS and where they are located....a simple search of the internet will find out the info. Does that need to be posted on here...? No....let others find it if they want to..... Why give them the info...?

Also....do you realize that folks at DHS/FAM HQ read this message board along with several others (Real Police, Police One, Delphi Forums, and 911 are the other biggies).... And yes, I know that for a fact. I heard that come out of some big wigs from DHS when I worked there..... As they figured out who I was by my posts.... I had no issues because I didn't post garbage and/or stuff that I should post on here about DHS......

I am sure if you trash your agency....and someone figures out who you are based on your posts (due to using a user name and posting where you said you work out of) do you think you won't hear about it....? If you don't think so...you are sadly mistaken....

Once again to the others....please use your heads. The FAMS do not release numbers.....not on how many they have, how many they lose a year, nor how many they are going to hire.....

Good luck to all of those who apply for these open positions......

Remember you are applying for a US Government.....stuff like this takes time. Sometimes, lots of time.....

[Thor1911]

Guys,

For all of those that applied last year I just got this today.

All applicants who applied under any previous Federal Air Marshal (FAM) announcement must reapply under this vacancy announcement to receive consideration for FAM positions. You may reapply by going to http://jobsearch.usajobs.gov/ and searching under Job Announcement Number FAM-F09-F001.





Department: Department Of Homeland Security
Agency: Transportation Security Administration
Sub Agency: DHS-Transportation Security Administration
Job Announcement Number:
FAM-F09-F001

I didn't get that email yet. How far did you get in the last dance? Maybe they are only sending out to people who reached a certain point or did you not apply under the new announcement? Maybe, they are only sending it to the people who have not applied under the new announcement but did apply last year in 2008?

As for the big wigs that read this board...PLEASE HIRE ME!!! :D

Thank you all and have a great night.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

Well if that is true then I guess I am saying only good things because I have not gotten a call about me being on this forum or any other forums I am on.

How many positions are being picked up? Are you kidding me. I don't even know how many we have now. I can tell you this much, we are losing more FAMs then we are bringing in. We have lost so many guys in my office that I can actually find a clean toilet in the bathroom at the office now. Before I had to wait in line to take a dump.

The FAM service does have a problem and that is they can't keep people here long. I would say about 3 years is when guys pack their bags and run back to the desert, streets or they get hired as an 1811.

Some of us act like CIA agents and some act as I do. This job is just a plain clothes cop in the airports and aircraft. The reason our numbers and how we do things is to keep the bad guys guessing. I can’t stand it when I work with other guys who think they are some sort of 007 James Bond. It drives me nuts! It is even better when some of these guys will try and pick up some chicks off duty and then all of a sudden they want to yell out that they are federal agents. These are the guys who have never held a law enforcement job in the past and it kind of gets on my nerves.

I go to work, do my job, try to stay off the radar, stay away from management, stay away from the guys who think that they are 007, try to stay awake on the flights and go home alive to my children. Don’t take this the wrong way guys, but I do this job for a few reasons and the #1 reason is not to protect the flying public, ……… I do it to support my children and give them what I did not have when I was a child. And you can take this to the bank, If and when it happens and I have to get up out of me seat and go to work, my main priority is my safety and the safety of my teammates so I can get home to my children.

[gonefishin]

Dude....the issue is this. A lot of aspects of your job are secret/need to know... You know that, I know that, and most others should know that based on your agencies policies. That was the conclusion of not only me.....but several of your co-workers. Hence, that's why posts were removed....

If folks want to know about the FAMS and where they are located....a simple search of the internet will find out the info. Does that need to be posted on here...? No....let others find it if they want to..... Why give them the info...?

Also....do you realize that folks at DHS/FAM HQ read this message board along with several others (Real Police, Police One, Delphi Forums, and 911 are the other biggies).... And yes, I know that for a fact. I heard that come out of some big wigs from DHS when I worked there..... As they figured out who I was by my posts.... I had no issues because I didn't post garbage and/or stuff that I should post on here about DHS......

I am sure if you trash your agency....and someone figures out who you are based on your posts (due to using a user name and posting where you said you work out of) do you think you won't hear about it....? If you don't think so...you are sadly mistaken....

Once again to the others....please use your heads. The FAMS do not release numbers.....not on how many they have, how many they lose a year, nor how many they are going to hire.....

Good luck to all of those who apply for these open positions......

Remember you are applying for a US Government.....stuff like this takes time. Sometimes, lots of time.....

People have been jammed up for things posted on forums just like these....as bearcat says...be careful what you post cause they do read this stuff.

[justdoitking]

People have been jammed up for things posted on forums just like these....as bearcat says...be careful what you post cause they do read this stuff.

Have you all read the Whistleblower story in the Washington Post? The FAMS Spokesperson did not deny the state of play. :p If these employees succeed in their claims WOW! The service will change for sure and for the better.....

Hang on for the ride guys, as the service Will get better. ;) Guess who will be the new director? Not Byers do not worry guys and girls.

Monday, February 2, 2009
Whistleblowers seek protection
Audrey Hudson

[Ali G]

"This job is just a plain clothes cop in the airports and aircraft. "


Hallelujah!! (sp). I think a BIG part of the problem is that nobody knows what is SSI and what isn't. I also think that the agency has people so scared because they label everything SSI. Hell, half the stuff that I know for sure is not SSI I am still scared to talk about on here just because I don't want to get in trouble... even though the stuff isn't sensitive.

[justdoitking]

"This job is just a plain clothes cop in the airports and aircraft. "


Hallelujah!! (sp). I think a BIG part of the problem is that nobody knows what is SSI and what isn't. I also think that the agency has people so scared because they label everything SSI. Hell, half the stuff that I know for sure is not SSI I am still scared to talk about on here just because I don't want to get in trouble... even though the stuff isn't sensitive.

Ali you are right!

They mark going to lunch, come and have a beer, as "SSI"! Very few things in the FAMS is SSI, all SSI is reported to Congress Annually and FAMS have very little on the past 4 Lists.

However, keep in mind under this same classification of Sensitive But Unclassified (SBU), you have many other designators as well.. Making everything SSI is being Lazy on managements behalf.. Hell if it was not marked SSI they will mark it as such in a few years when it is used against them, like the current case! Anyone can ask for the list via FOIA, just like a FAMS name is not SSI but a list of names can be considered SSI.

[dtown101]

I think the biggest thing you dont want to put on this forum is specific areas about the process...ex..questions they asked you on the panel and phone interview... it may not be considered SSI but you should treat it as SSI.

GOOD LUCK to all remember Feb 17, 2009 the announcement closes...

D

[FCAP_2008]

Hey has anyone got the call this week? I was hoping that some calls would go out this week. There have been calls going out the last few weeks but to my knowlege none this week. My fingers and toes have been crossed for a year so i hope they call me soon. :D

[Fedman 111]

I didn't get that email yet. How far did you get in the last dance? Maybe they are only sending out to people who reached a certain point or did you not apply under the new announcement? Maybe, they are only sending it to the people who have not applied under the new announcement but did apply last year in 2008?

As for the big wigs that read this board...PLEASE HIRE ME!!! :D

Thank you all and have a great night.

Thor1911,

I was one of the April time frame guys I was only waiting on my medical screening. I did my panel interview, ASAC interview, PFA or health assessment, and I filled out the SF-86 on E-QUIP I was contacted about my background check. I was even contacted by someone at headquarters requesting a copy of my DD-214 but I was still active duty at the time with two weeks left on my service contract. I thought I was in, if I would have known all of this was going to happen I would have stayed in the military.

I sent in a new application under the new vacancy which I think is the best bet for anyone that is still waiting for that call under the old vacancy.

[Up_On_Base]

Not about the hiring process.

I was on the plane most of the day yesterday getting back from PR. To any current FAM.

How do you stay awake?

What is the worst flight you were ever on? I was on a flight from Detroit to Manchester in 07, it was so rough everyone on board thought we were going down...I think even the captain.

[Supersonic527]

Are you non-military applicants submitting a DD214 or SF15? There doesn't seem to be a need to attach them if you weren't in the military. Simply looking at the OF306 should suffice, right? I don't remember submitting those for good ol' Avue. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

[David95XJ]

Does anyone know of the link to the chart that compares the GS Scale to the TSA Pay Band?

[LS1]

Does anyone know of the link to the chart that compares the GS Scale to the TSA Pay Band?

http://www.tsa.gov/assets/pdf/pay_bands_0109.pdf

[David95XJ]

thank you.

[pdawg]

Are you non-military applicants submitting a DD214 or SF15? There doesn't seem to be a need to attach them if you weren't in the military. Simply looking at the OF306 should suffice, right? I don't remember submitting those for good ol' Avue. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

If you were never in the military you would not have a DD214 or SF15.

[horse]

too shea- once again to in the air cop

[Short-Round]

Let me try this again for you.........> Touche'?

[justdoitking]

I do it to support my children and give them what I did not have when I was a child. And you can take this to the bank, If and when it happens and I have to get up out of me seat and go to work, my main priority is my safety and the safety of my teammates so I can get home to my children.

To many people forgot the real reason they work! Nicely said :)

A double tap will ensure this happens every time when you have to do what you have to do! Thats when you know if the training pays off, for a few minutes of adrenaline. Until someone is placed in the position to shoot someone a lot of speculation happens. But the mind set is my life or theirs, and I am going home to my family is a good one to have.;)

[PSA #1]

Any movement this week? Anyone? Anywhere?

[INTHEAIRCOP]

too shea- once again to in the air cop

"Patting myself on the back"

[INTHEAIRCOP]

Not about the hiring process.

I was on the plane most of the day yesterday getting back from PR. To any current FAM.

How do you stay awake?

What is the worst flight you were ever on? I was on a flight from Detroit to Manchester in 07, it was so rough everyone on board thought we were going down...I think even the captain.
When ever I get to the point I am about to pass out on a flight I will go into the lavatory, lock the door, take off my shirt and flex my muscles. After about 5 minutes of that then I will break out my eletric razor and shave my chest. By that time I am wide awake and go back to my seat.

The worst flight I ever was on ended up in the Hudson River in New York. Thank God I was in waist high water due to the fact I had pee peeed and crapped myself right before impact.

[ButterChunk]

I usually just sprint down the aisleway a few times, stop suddenly and then scream at the nearest passenger to 'kick me in the jimmy!'. I'm generally good for the rest of the flight after that.

[DevilDog24]

I just wet myself a little bit laughing so hard from the last 2 posts. :eek: I actually saw the plane in the water 20 minutes after it landed and I can understand anybody crapping their pants.

[gonefishin]

When ever I get to the point I am about to pass out on a flight I will go into the lavatory, lock the door, take off my shirt and flex my muscles. After about 5 minutes of that then I will break out my eletric razor and shave my chest. By that time I am wide awake and go back to my seat.

The worst flight I ever was on ended up in the Hudson River in New York. Thank God I was in waist high water due to the fact I had pee peeed and crapped myself right before impact.

Hey at least you were wearing that stylish yellow life jacket. Did you pull the red tabs to inflate or did you have to blow into the red tube? Oh, and I bench press random passengers to stay awake...

[Bear1005]

The worst flight I ever was on ended up in the Hudson River in New York. Thank God I was in waist high water due to the fact I had pee peeed and crapped myself right before impact.

Thanks for keeping it real, but I might have taken that one to the grave, lol! We all understand though!

[horse]

Short -Round,yea man thanks for the lesson,never been very good at french...................there might be a good message board for you for editing out there,think about joining that,,,,there is not a whole lot of room here for another smart a@#***s .

[Tac]

being a smart@ss is better than being a dumb@ss


:)

[Short-Round]

[SIZE="3"]When ever I get to the point I am about to pass out on a flight I will go into the lavatory, lock the door, take off my shirt and flex my muscles. After about 5 minutes of that then I will break out my eletric razor and shave my chest. By that time I am wide awake and go back to my seat.


Just be glad that you weren't doing that as the plane went down in the Hudson. Could you imagine being pulled off the plane with no shirt and only 1/2 of your chest shaved? That would've been one for the records!

[TXICE]

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[jetset1]

For those in the know.... Do you have to share a room in Artesia if we ever do get the call??

[gonefishin]

For those in the know.... Do you have to share a room in Artesia if we ever do get the call??
Yes you usually do

[PSA #1]

I have a condo near FLETC that I rent out to the Hawian Tropic Swimsuit Models. For a small fee I'll let you stay with them. I would stay myself, but I don't want to be distracted from training!;););)

[jetset1]

I have a condo near FLETC that I rent out to the Hawian Tropic Swimsuit Models. For a small fee I'll let you stay with them. I would stay myself, but I don't want to be distracted from training!;););)

Thanks for the answers. I know stupid question, but I was hearing different things and wanted to get the answer from those who went to Artesia not from those I speak to trying to guess. Please pass along my contact info to the girls though!

[jimjimjim]

For those in the know.... Do you have to share a room in Artesia if we ever do get the call??

No, you do not.

[Up_On_Base]

I have a condo near FLETC that I rent out to the Hawian Tropic Swimsuit Models. For a small fee I'll let you stay with them. I would stay myself, but I don't want to be distracted from training!;););)

Actually Jetset1 was looking for the Male models

[PSA #1]

Actually Jetset1 was looking for the Male models

I can't help him with that, as I don't swing that way. "NOT THAT THERES ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT":eek:

[jetset1]

Actually Jetset1 was looking for the Male models

Very funny! I thought you were done with this site anyway? Good to see you haven't thrown in the towel. Maybe continue for the next round to see if they offer you a better spot???

[gonefishin]

No, you do not.
When I went in 05 we had to share rooms and we had a small class

[jimjimjim]

When I went in 05 we had to share rooms and we had a small class

Thank god that changed. :D

[Patrio72]

Actually Jetset1 was looking for the Male models

true prolly something like this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMdXHQb9JE0

Couldn't resist

[jetset1]

true prolly something like this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMdXHQb9JE0

Couldn't resist

Now thats funny!!

[paul354]

Phew...I've just submitted my application. The KSAs have significantly changed since AVUE. Good Luck to Everybody.

[NS1286]

For those in the know.... Do you have to share a room in Artesia if we ever do get the call??

I was at FLETC from October to January under Border Patrol and I think the FAM classes had the nice, newer rooms that were all singles. I think it mostly depends on what's available, but I remember a lot of the new rooms were empty and, from what I remember, most of the FAMs lived in the new building.

[911fedz]

:DFAM have they own training facility. Unless there is something new going.

[kymaroon]

How long has it taken for those who applied to get the process started (called, interview, etc.) after you applied/sent in the required documents? Week? Month?

[Ali G]

:DFAM have they own training facility. Unless there is something new going.

Yes... and no. The FAM specific training is in Atlantic City. But, the initial phase of training is kind of a FAM based mixed basic (UPTP) at FLETC in Artesia, NM.

[Up_On_Base]

How long has it taken for those who applied to get the process started (called, interview, etc.) after you applied/sent in the required documents? Week? Month?

The announcement is still open, I doubt anyone got calls yet.

It's the federal LE system, plan for the entire process to take 1 year.

[FormerUSAF]

No, calls do go out during the announcement, I applied last year and recieved a phone interivew three weeks after the announcement opened!

[Wolverine1]

Any movement this week? Anyone? Anywhere?
I got the call on Friday. I am doing the medical and drug screen this week. Hope that helps.

[kymaroon]

If you meet the basic qualifications, do you usually get to finish (or at least begin) the rest of the process?

[Up_On_Base]

No, calls do go out during the announcement, I applied last year and recieved a phone interivew three weeks after the announcement opened!

True, but last announcement was open for 4-6 months if I recall.

This one is only open for a month.

Anyway, have fun at FLETC.

To everyone else, hang tight...the fedreal system in general does not move at warp speed.

[audi0xpl0de]

An email just went out to amend the announcement to include pushups. I think they forgot to add it initially.

[PSA #1]

An email just went out to amend the announcement to include pushups. I think they forgot to add it initially.

Am I the only one who never gets these e-mails? This is the third e-mail I have heard about going out, that I did not get!

[paul354]

I'm not sure if this has been asked before but, is there a way to also submit our "own" resume rather than that USA JOBS one?

[TheKansan]

An email just went out to amend the announcement to include pushups. I think they forgot to add it initially.

I just received this email as well. My only question is what numbers should I be aiming toward?

[kevinTA]

guys, I am trying to reapply on the USAJOBS website and I keep getting an error message back. Tried a few diff announcements and they all came back with same error message. Anyone else having this problem? I even called the 1800 number for TSA and they didn't know what to say. They were no help.

[paul354]

Are you signed into your USAJOBS account before clicking on the announcement?

[kevinTA]

yes I am signed in with my account ?

[gonefishin]

I just received this email as well. My only question is what numbers should I be aiming toward?

Depends on your age...under 30 years old its something like 53 pushups in a minute for a perfect score

[Up_On_Base]

I just received this email as well. My only question is what numbers should I be aiming toward?

50+

[FormerUSAF]

True, but last announcement was open for 4-6 months if I recall.

This one is only open for a month.

Anyway, have fun at FLETC.

To everyone else, hang tight...the fedreal system in general does not move at warp speed.

Up on Base,

Did not think about that.............you are correct they may indeed wait to the end of the announcement before they start contacting people.

For some reason didn't get hired by the FAMS, but was given a chance to be an Agent with another agency. Good luck to all in the process.........

[Md094]

I have attached the QFA Standards for the FAMS. I hope this helps all of those who have questions. ;)

I do not have a website where I can post the .PDFs.

[justdoitking]

I got the call on Friday. I am doing the medical and drug screen this week. Hope that helps.

So are you saying you received a conditional offer of employment?

[justdoitking]

guys, I am trying to reapply on the USAJOBS website and I keep getting an error message back. Tried a few diff announcements and they all came back with same error message. Anyone else having this problem? I even called the 1800 number for TSA and they didn't know what to say. They were no help.

Common complaint! They where no help. Sounds like Avue dressed up as Lockheed Martin. ;)

[justdoitking]

I wonder if application numbers are down? I have heard the FAM Executive has been sending emails out encouraging current TSA employees to spread the word and/or apply, any current FAMS know the answer?

[ciel75]

Has anyone been able to locate the forms 2811 and 2812 that are required for the application?

[davidh304]

I didn't get that email yet. How far did you get in the last dance? Maybe they are only sending out to people who reached a certain point or did you not apply under the new announcement? Maybe, they are only sending it to the people who have not applied under the new announcement but did apply last year in 2008?

As for the big wigs that read this board...PLEASE HIRE ME!!! :D

Thank you all and have a great night.

I apologize if this has been asked before but I applied under Avue in August or so of last year. Should I reapply with the USA jobs announcements?

I called the 1-800 number for the TSA Help desk and they really did not have a good answer.

[audi0xpl0de]

I apologize if this has been asked before but I applied under Avue in August or so of last year. Should I reapply with the USA jobs announcements?

I called the 1-800 number for the TSA Help desk and they really did not have a good answer.

You will need to reapply.

[Wolverine1]

Yep this is the second conditional offer which goes to a final offer if I pass the medical. I have already been given a city which i will be reporting to. I am hoping this is the last hurdle!

[SnakeDoctor]

Has anyone been able to locate the forms 2811 and 2812 that are required for the application?

I could not find them either so I sent an email to HR.

[kymaroon]

Has anyone been able to locate the forms 2811 and 2812 that are required for the application?

What are these forms for? On USAjobs "How to Apply" tab, they aren't listed as being required.

[SnakeDoctor]

What are these forms for? On USAjobs "How to Apply" tab, they aren't listed as being required.

After I submitted my app/resume it said I needed to submit these two forms. It shows up on th TSA webpage.

[Quick2352]

Has anyone been able to locate the forms 2811 and 2812 that are required for the application?

Surprisingly, the help desk is "helpful". Every time I call, they answer. When I called about the two required forms, the nice lady that helped me provided me with this web address:

Https://tsa.vitapowered.com/forms/signatureforms.pdf

From there, you should be able to print them out.

[skigun75]

So they will tell you when you need to submit these forms? I have looked everywhere and haven't found where they are necessary. My screen shows that all required answers are submitted.

Thanks.

[justdoitking]

Yep this is the second conditional offer which goes to a final offer if I pass the medical. I have already been given a city which i will be reporting to. I am hoping this is the last hurdle!

Second Conditional? At what point do they give you the first one? Hopefully it is a city of choice.:)

Sounds as a Congratualtions may be in order soon for you!

[paul354]

Congratz. Hopefully word will come soon to those of us who just applied.

[SnakeDoctor]

Surprisingly, the help desk is "helpful". Every time I call, they answer. When I called about the two required forms, the nice lady that helped me provided me with this web address:

Https://tsa.vitapowered.com/forms/signatureforms.pdf

From there, you should be able to print them out.

Thanks for posting the web address to those forms. I had emailed HR, just wasn't sure how fast they would get back to me with an answer.

[jetset1]

Second Conditional? At what point do they give you the first one? Hopefully it is a city of choice.:)

Sounds as a Congratualtions may be in order soon for you!


You get the first Conditional(COE) after completing the KSA,Phone interview(at least I think thats how mine went, can't remember exactly). Then you get the 2nd Conditional after completing everything except the Medical. After the Medical you get the Formal Offer with Pay scale etc.... I think!

[GuyinCali]

You get the first Conditional(COE) after completing the KSA,Phone interview(at least I think thats how mine went, can't remember exactly). Then you get the 2nd Conditional after completing everything except the Medical. After the Medical you get the Formal Offer with Pay scale etc....

SO when do you get this "Second" Conditional Officer? or can that question even be asked.

I completed all steps: Interview, SAC Interview, UA Test, eQuip, Fingerprints, and Medical...

But no call yet.... I'm just praying on the call for an EOD....

[bigbrain02]

Come someone tell me how the application process go?

What happens after I submitt my resume and additional forms online? Is there a written examination?

[jetset1]

SO when do you get this "Second" Conditional Officer? or can that question even be asked.

I completed all steps: Interview, SAC Interview, UA Test, eQuip, Fingerprints, and Medical...

But no call yet.... I'm just praying on the call for an EOD....


Don't know that's how I heard it is. I guess it's luck of the draw!

[BamaCounty]

I put my ap in. Good luck to everyone. See what happen.

[kymaroon]

To those "in the know," how exactly do pay increases work within the TSA's SV pay bands? For example:
Min Max
G $38,776 $60,081
H $47,298 $73,291
I $57,631 $89,376

What determines what one earns within a certain band? Are there steps like the General Schedule? Also, is it just time in service that moves one to a higher band?

Thanks

[Wolverine1]

Second Conditional? At what point do they give you the first one? Hopefully it is a city of choice.:)

Sounds as a Congratualtions may be in order soon for you!


I received the first conditional offer back in June after, I completed all of the local testing at the field office. I just received the second one after waiting several months while they updated my file with fingerprints, transcripts, and security clearance online forms. I am keeping my fingers crossed and hoping the medical was the last step. Hopefully, I hear something next week.

[justdoitking]

I received the first conditional offer back in June after, I completed all of the local testing at the field office. I just received the second one after waiting several months while they updated my file with fingerprints, transcripts, and security clearance online forms. I am keeping my fingers crossed and hoping the medical was the last step. Hopefully, I hear something next week.

Are we getting the Potentially Eligible, letter/email confused with a Conditional Offer of Employment(COE)? Are these Conditional Offers of Employment in writing? It would not make sense to issue you two Conditional Offers of Employment.:confused:

[Wolverine1]

Are we getting the Potentially Eligible, letter/email confused with a Conditional Offer of Employment(COE)? Are these Conditional Offers of Employment in writing? It would not make sense to issue you two Conditional Offers of Employment.:confused:


Nope, they are both written letters. I know its a bit confusing but the first letter really does not mean that much, I think it means you basically completed phase 1 of the testing and they are interested in hiring you. The second letter sounds more like a real conditional offer of employment to me. It took me a bit to figure all this out too. I now look back at the process as being basically two separate phases. The first phase (phone interview, oral board, PT test, etc.) is all done by the local FO then you receive the first conditional offer which is probably there way of letting you know you passed that phase.
The second phase is handled by DC (background,fingerprints,security clearance,medical ,etc) even though your FO may set up the appointments DC is handling your file. My second conditional offer came just prior to the medical. This is how my application process went and it probably could be slightly different from FO to FO but the two letters are probably standard. Hope that helps.

[911fedz]

Re: Conditional Offer of Employment – OLE/FAMS


Dear Applicant:

This letter concerns your application under Vacancy Announcement Number # for employment as a Federal Air Marshal, SV-1801, with the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), Office of Law Enforcement/Federal Air Marshal Service (OLE/FAMS).

Thank you for participating in the Federal Air Marshal (FAM) assessment process. You have successfully completed the field portion of the hiring process and are now eligible to proceed with the next assessment steps.

At this point, we are making you a conditional offer of employment. This means that if you successfully pass the additional phases of the evaluation process, and if sufficient authorized positions and funding are available, you will be given an official offer. The OLE/FAMS will then offer you a reporting date and schedule you for Federal Law Enforcement Training Center and OLE/FAMS Training Academy classes.

This letter is intended to explain the conditions that are associated with this conditional offer. This is not a firm offer of employment therefore you should not make any changes in your residence or terminate any current employment unless or until you receive a definitive reporting date and reporting instructions. OLE/FAMS cannot make any promises at this time regarding whether you will receive a firm offer of employment in the future.

If you accept this conditional offer of employment, you will also be expected to complete a medical evaluation and a psychological evaluation. You must pass the medical and psychological evaluations, and your background check must have been favorably adjudicated by our security office, in order to be placed on a list of eligible candidates for final appointment to a vacant, funded position.

It is important for you to understand that continued employment as a Federal Air Marshal is fully contingent upon the successful completion of a full field background investigation resulting in a favorable adjudication for a Top Secret security clearance. This process may take as long as one year to complete following entrance on duty. As such, any initial offer of employment, to include reporting instructions, will reflect only that you have been granted an interim Secret security clearance waiver. Continued employment with the OLE/FAMS will be contingent upon your ability to obtain and maintain a Top Secret security clearance.

During the process you may be asked to provide additional information. It is essential that you provide this information immediately upon receiving the request. If any requested information—or an interim response to the request—is not received within ten days of the request, you may be removed from the list of individuals with a conditional offer and OLE/FAMS will discontinue your consideration for a final appointment.

In addition you must accept the conditions of employment that were listed in the vacancy announcement. These conditions include but are not limited to:

• Ability to possess, or be able to obtain, a valid state driver’s license and a personal U.S. passport.
• Fulfill all training requirements;
• Obtain and/or maintain a top secret security clearance based on a favorably adjudicated full-field background investigation;
• Meet and maintain the medical and physical fitness standards for the FAM position subject to applicable law, rules, policy and/or regulations;
• Meet the requirements of the Lautenberg Amendment, which prohibits, inter alia, the possession of a firearm by persons convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence as defined within the statute. 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(9);
• Maintain firearms qualifications; and
• Obtain and maintain a government credit card.

Should you elect not to accept the stated terms, or are no longer interested in this position of employment, please contact

[paul354]

WOW...is this from the 2009 announcement? OR from last year's? Either way, congratz!

[911fedz]

That was from the 08 application. Don't give up, this is a growing agency. I have been applying since 02, when I got caught up in the freeze. So never stop trying.....

[paul354]

Is the rumor true that applications are extremely down?

[kevinTA]

Folks, I am STILL getting that error message when I try to apply from USAJOB website. I am headed back to Iraq on Saturday and would very much like to get this taken care of before that. So if anyone has a point of contact at a field office (pref chicago) please let me know. The TSA help line has been absolutely no help. Thanks guys

[911fedz]

:DI'm not sure if they have more position then applicants. You know the numbers are top secret. But I know that there are alot of applicants in line.