Air Marshal Job Open !

[LS1]

First post here, I'm 32 and have been with the BOP for 2 yrs now (CO), I have a wife and two great kids (girl-3, and a boy-1) I've been looking into FAMS for some time now, after talking it over with the wife we diceded to take the chance and apply to the FAMS. I have a few Q's , first off for any one who has the offer on the table, did u get ur first duty station? My wife has asked me if this New job would make us move away from family, i told her i'm not sure only time would tell. I found out thier are 21 field offices in the country, where are they located? I was told before my time a LT and a few CO's have gone on to the FAMs and have not looked back. any feed back would be great. Thanks

During my interview, I was advised that the primary hiring stations are the ones listed in the announcement.

[ayden0526]

Ive been monitering this site since I applied in march of 08. I got a phone interview, and was scheduled for a panel, but they canceled all interviews nationwide 2 days before mine...the worst luck in the world perhaps. 7 yrs. in Local LE, B.S. CJ, 21 credits toward an MPA, and my private Pilot's License (not that this means anything, but you would think it sounds better than not having it).

All of this being said, guys, there are a lot of people applying for this position, and just like many of you, I feel almost over-qualified, and am seeing no light at the end of the tunnel. Student loans, and 7 miserable yrs. working the housing projects dealing with who I am dealing with are only making it harder at that. There are college undergrads getting picked up for this position with absolutely no relevent experience what-so-ever. Infact, many probably still live with their parents. It is agrevating for those of us who see human resources recruiting with no consistancy and with their head up their butt, particularly in light of the fact that I have personally met FAMS that were sent to FLETC after only 6 weeks of putting in their first application. And then me, and many of you, Im sure, have been at this for 2 or more years, applying for every announcement. Who is calling the shots?

All I have heard recently, other than your posts, is that IHOPP, which is associated with Lockhead Martin, Im assuming, is picking up the contract and moving foward with it. The question of whether or not our applications are still on file and will be used is the bigger question that I have seen many of you ask. I would only hope so, especially since I have noticed that many of you guys are so far along in the H-Process. Good luck to you all!

[Tac]

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&tab=core&id=108813e67f0f0019737e17eaf808c1ff&_cview=0

[rbakous1]

During my interview, I was advised that the primary hiring stations are the ones listed in the announcement.

I was told from a co-worker who has many years in LE, not FAM, but does have experience in working with some: He says that you don't necessarily have to re-locate all the time, you can get a PO Box in the city you are assigned to establish residency. You are dispatched out of your home town.

[Bearcat357]

I was told from a co-worker who has many years in LE, not FAM, but does have experience in working with some: He says that you don't necessarily have to re-locate all the time, you can get a PO Box in the city you are assigned to establish residency. You are dispatched out of your home town.

FAMS have to live within so many miles of their home airport.....and they do check......;)

[Tac]

I was told you have a 2 hour report time. calculate your local traffic and transit time to and from your nearest FO and home and you should have a pretty good idea.

[Up_On_Base]

I was told you have a 2 hour report time. calculate your local traffic and transit time to and from your nearest FO and home and you should have a pretty good idea.

I think it's about 100 miles.

[airisfine]

Taking apps again in Feb so I hear, dont know if you have to reapply, Bearcat and up on base is right on the money, lockheed will approve basic quals then your packet goes to the field office you process out of which is probably the one closest to you and gets eyeballed by panel of supervisors who then push you thru or says no go. The time frame is anybody's guess A basic guideline is used. For the PT test, you need to score at least 15 out of 16 now and must hire rating on panel interview to have a chance with so many qualified apps. If you dont score good enough on panel, bad thing is you wont know it for a while,if you dont get an interview with asac you probably did not do too good, should hire for three more classes fiscal year 09 about 120-150 bodies, getting hired is luck of the draw with 69'000 apps last I heard in last hiring pool in 08, best time frame to get hired is toward the end of fiscal year when the money needs to be spent, some guys got hired in months other in years just like any other fed job, the job is what it is and also depends alot on your TL, worst case scenario, border patrol is hiring like crazy, good luck

[Up_On_Base]

For the PT test, you need to score at least 15 out of 16 now and must hire rating on panel interview to have a chance with so many qualified apps.

Same PT test or has that changed also?

Also - what is going to happen w/ everyone who processed already (except medical), re-apply?

[GuyinCali]

Taking apps again in Feb so I hear, dont know if you have to reapply, Bearcat and up on base is right on the money, lockheed will approve basic quals then your packet goes to the field office you process out of which is probably the one closest to you


When your in the office next time, can you look into if those of us who have completed every step, to include the medical will we have to do each step all over with the next 100,000 apps?

Thanks for the info...


Praying on the "Call" for an EOD...

[Thor1911]

When your in the office next time, can you look into if those of us who have completed every step, to include the medical will we have to do each step all over with the next 100,000 apps?

Thanks for the info...


Praying on the "Call" for an EOD...

Same here, I have been waiting for my packet to go before the board and get the call. I have done everything that is needed to be processed and sometimes twice. I work for one of the auto companies, so I am really looking to get out and start my FLE career.

The recruiter at my local FO stated that a hiring announcement will go out on the 2nd of January.

[bombguy]

Just to shed a bit bit of light midst some of the "doom and gloom" here. I've been A FAM for a bit now and I love it so far. Do i plan to stay with them until I retire? No. Do I love the job as is and will I use it as a jumping board into something else? Hell Yeah!

So far, my hours haven't been anything to crazy. Over the past few months, my worst schedule was an extremely early morning show and it sucked because I didn't go to bed early enough the previous nite. My fault. As someone said, as long as you are courteous to the airline employees, stay aware on the plane and stay fit then you are good to go. I haven't even gotten sick once....yet. It will happen, but I'm prepared.

The paperwork is minimal and quite honestly, if you can't handle the paperwork then merely getting up to start the day must be a challenge for you.

[justdoitking]

Hey does anyone know a way to figure out if that announcement is true then does that void the AVUE stuff if you already hold a conditional offer?

Just trying to figure out if it does go that way whether or not I will have to re-apply.


What makes you think you have received a conditional offer of employment? As, I had the impression they did not issue conditional offers of employment. As, you should receive a conditional offer of employment setting all the pay, location etc. and than sent for a medical examination and if you pass this than you are offfered employment.

[justdoitking]

I think it's about 100 miles.


What you will find to meet this requirement, many FAMS who do not want to move their families, live in share houses (cheaper rent) and most schedules will overlap and not align a lot of the time unless you are on the same team. However, please do not hang your hopes on a transfer to a field office closer to home. Ensure when you are offered an office you understand you may be there a long time.

[justdoitking]

Just to shed a bit bit of light midst some of the "doom and gloom" here. I've been A FAM for a bit now and I love it so far. Do i plan to stay with them until I retire? No. Do I love the job as is and will I use it as a jumping board into something else? Hell Yeah!

So far, my hours haven't been anything to crazy. Over the past few months, my worst schedule was an extremely early morning show and it sucked because I didn't go to bed early enough the previous nite. My fault. As someone said, as long as you are courteous to the airline employees, stay aware on the plane and stay fit then you are good to go. I haven't even gotten sick once....yet. It will happen, but I'm prepared.

The paperwork is minimal and quite honestly, if you can't handle the paperwork then merely getting up to start the day must be a challenge for you.

Good to see they are again looking after veterans! How are you finding the LA FO? That office should be sorted with the FAM FLEOA President working out of there.

Dude with your experience get off the year probation (not two years as they may have indicated) Vets have to do merely a year! Than you can launch your carrer a lot of diffrent ways within the FEDS and your skills would be sought after for sure!

[manstown]

Just to shed a bit bit of light midst some of the "doom and gloom" here. I've been A FAM for a bit now and I love it so far. Do i plan to stay with them until I retire? No. Do I love the job as is and will I use it as a jumping board into something else? Hell Yeah!

So far, my hours haven't been anything to crazy. Over the past few months, my worst schedule was an extremely early morning show and it sucked because I didn't go to bed early enough the previous nite. My fault. As someone said, as long as you are courteous to the airline employees, stay aware on the plane and stay fit then you are good to go. I haven't even gotten sick once....yet. It will happen, but I'm prepared.

The paperwork is minimal and quite honestly, if you can't handle the paperwork then merely getting up to start the day must be a challenge for you.

I didn't really start to get the continuous head colds until about the 4th or 5th month, which were actually sinus infections, which you are about to come up on, right? A bit of advice. Keep constant on the "airborne". Actually worked well. Another....might want to change a little about your profile heading. Stay safe up there.

And for those future FAMs. Make sure you invest regularly in "airborne". It really does help with the immune system when your flying all the time. You can get it just about anywhere these days.

[Up_On_Base]

What makes you think you have received a conditional offer of employment? As, I had the impression they did not issue conditional offers of employment. As, you should receive a conditional offer of employment setting all the pay, location etc. and than sent for a medical examination and if you pass this than you are offfered employment.

They have to give you a CO to start your BI.

It was an email sent by Avue/Fams.

You are talking about final offer.

[Short-Round]

What makes you think you have received a conditional offer of employment? As, I had the impression they did not issue conditional offers of employment. As, you should receive a conditional offer of employment setting all the pay, location etc. and than sent for a medical examination and if you pass this than you are offfered employment.

Contingent offer/conditional offer, about the same thing, contingent/conditional as long as you pass the BI.

I received the email for a Contingent offer about 1 or 2 weeks after they froze hiring and said they needed no more except the people they had in a pool.

I also received a call to send in additional paperwork and was told I was still being processed about a month or two after that.

Beyond that I have no clue what is going on or if I am even still in the running.

[NS1286]

I applied back in March, got a conditional offer, had an interview and PT test at the Boston F/O in May but got the e-mail saying they were done hiring for 2008.

I ended up getting hired by the Border Patrol and am going into Week 9 at FLETC. Last week I got a 703 call requesting transcripts and an employment statement. I was told that I could get an offer sometime in January or February.

What I'm wondering is whether or not I should get my hopes up over this. When I called the office back, they told me it was a very good sign they were requesting transcripts but I got let down last time. I'm set to graduate FLETC in January but would jump over to Air Marshals in a heartbeat.

Thanks!

[Short-Round]

NS1286 can you PM me that contact number I have lost the number since I last spoke to them about my transcripts?

[manstown]

I applied back in March, got a conditional offer, had an interview and PT test at the Boston F/O in May but got the e-mail saying they were done hiring for 2008.

I ended up getting hired by the Border Patrol and am going into Week 9 at FLETC. Last week I got a 703 call requesting transcripts and an employment statement. I was told that I could get an offer sometime in January or February.

What I'm wondering is whether or not I should get my hopes up over this. When I called the office back, they told me it was a very good sign they were requesting transcripts but I got let down last time. I'm set to graduate FLETC in January but would jump over to Air Marshals in a heartbeat.

Thanks!

If anything you still have a job in January. Whether with the FAMS or BP. A bit of advice. If you get hired before you graduate with BP try to defer it to a later date. I only say this because, unless it's changed, you won't have to go back to Artesia with the FAMS if you've already graduated. It would suck to go through all that BP training not to finish and only wind up going back for FAMS. It should be appealing to them that they would only have to pay you to go through Phase II.

[ButterChunk]

If anything you still have a job in January. Whether with the FAMS or BP. A bit of advice. If you get hired before you graduate with BP try to defer it to a later date. I only say this because, unless it's changed, you won't have to go back to Artesia with the FAMS if you've already graduated. It would suck to go through all that BP training not to finish and only wind up going back for FAMS. It should be appealing to them that they would only have to pay you to go through Phase II.

Funny you should mention that, but I guess they're no longer giving waivers. Two more days until I'm out of Wa-Wa land!!!

[Up_On_Base]

Funny you should mention that, but I guess they're no longer giving waivers. Two more days until I'm out of Wa-Wa land!!!

Nothing is wrong w/ Wa-Wa...my brother thinks of Wa-Wa as fine dining.

He has a JD and MBA...guess common sense skipped him in the gene pool.

[manstown]

Funny you should mention that, but I guess they're no longer giving waivers. Two more days until I'm out of Wa-Wa land!!!

Seriously? Not sure why they would do that. But a lot of what they do doesn't make sense. The one thing I did like about that place, well....next to the hookers down the street from the hotel, were the trips to wa-wa and those delicious hoagies.

[ButterChunk]

Seriously? Not sure why they would do that. But a lot of what they do doesn't make sense. The one thing I did like about that place, well....next to the hookers down the street from the hotel, were the trips to wa-wa and those delicious hoagies.

Yeah, it seems to defy logic, but whatever. The wa-wa's not bad--at least it's cheap and has a decent variety. The tough part is trying to cook yourself something decent at the hotel!

[Up_On_Base]

I have an extremely hard time believing that there are 69,000 candidates in the hiring pool right now. I dont think they had that many apply after 9/11. and according to the DHS budget that was approved they recieved funding for 250 additional slots, unless that material is wrong.

+1

I think he meant 69K applications.

No way they processed that many people.

[airisfine]

yup 69,00 apps was what I thought would be easily understood by my post, wa-was is the best food period and how about those five dollar pizzaz on mondays at the grocery store down the road, that thing would feed me for days

[justdoitking]

yup 69,00 apps was what I thought would be easily understood by my post, wa-was is the best food period and how about those five dollar pizzaz on mondays at the grocery store down the road, that thing would feed me for days

Post 9/11 they had over 300,000 applications to recruit from in 2002 and subsequent recruitment attempt drew 40,000 plus applicants each time some of them the same pool of people. The job is not bad it is the lack of managment that makes the job appear to be less than desirable from all the post you read.

Keep in mind the service receives some exemptions from 5CFR (OPM Regulations), however it will be hard to pass by highly qualified veterans this next time who use veterans prefrence and nothing the SS crew will be able to do. As outsiders are watching in now, http://pogoblog.typepad.com/pogo/2008/12/email-misfire-provides-inside-look-at-fams.html

FAM Service is like a Marijuana smoker the harder you suck the higher you get!

[Passport2]

New to this thread... Went on the Avue website to apply but did not find an announcement. Is FAMS still in a hiring freeze? What is the process for getting the initial application in...is it only through the Avue site?
Thx.

[ayden0526]

avue isnt handling it anymore.....its supposed to be contracted to "IHOPP"....under lockhead martin. regardless, there is no hiring phase right now. you will just have to keep checking usajobs.gov to catch the next anouncement. which who knows when that will be.

[Short-Round]

The "International House of Pancakes" is doing the hiring stuff for FAMS now? WOW?! They are multi-talented and expanding, they do 24/7 food and hire Federal Air Marshals. I should look into a job with IHOP, I could make flap-jacks and fly planes!

[justdoitking]

The "International House of Pancakes" is doing the hiring stuff for FAMS now? WOW?! They are multi-talented and expanding, they do 24/7 food and hire Federal Air Marshals. I should look into a job with IHOP, I could make flap-jacks and fly planes!

Sounds like you want to be a SAC, DAD, or Director of the service as they are great multi-taskers.

[Time4newjob]

Anyone hear of an upcoming class?

[gonefishin]

Word is the new vacancy annoucement will open sometime around the second week of Jan. They are going to try and hire some people that have everything done from the old annoucement before they hire people from the new annoucement. I'm guessing some calls will go out prior to the new annoucement.

[Up_On_Base]

Word is the new vacancy annoucement will open sometime around the second week of Jan. They are going to try and hire some people that have everything done from the old annoucement before they hire people from the new annoucement. I'm guessing some calls will go out prior to the new annoucement.

Nice...if this happens I owe you a beer!

This makes me very happy, but w/ my luck will need to re-apply and wait...:(

F that...I am getting hired, positive thinking only!

[gonefishin]

Nice...if this happens I owe you a beer!

This makes me very happy, but w/ my luck will need to re-apply and wait...:(

F that...I am getting hired, positive thinking only!
I'll hold you to that beer...I never forget anyone who owes me a beer..good luck!

[GuyinCali]

Word is the new vacancy annoucement will open sometime around the second week of Jan. They are going to try and hire some people that have everything done from the old annoucement before they hire people from the new annoucement. I'm guessing some calls will go out prior to the new annoucement.

We should see how many of us here are from the Old Announcement and Completed All or Most of the Steps???

Myself: 2006, 2007 & 2008 Announcement.
Completed All Steps, Including Medical...

So if you are correct, I guess I will owe you beer too...

Praying on the Call for the EOD...

[LS1]

We should see how many of us here are from the Old Announcement and Completed All or Most of the Steps???


<---Everything but the medical.

[Up_On_Base]

<---Everything but the medical.

+1

[jetset1]

+1

One more

[Bear1005]

That makes one more, for everything but the medical. They called for my transcripts and DD-214 (military discharge paperwork) in September and I am keeping the faith. Hopefully we will get the call soon.

Can't wait to see the 703 phone number on my caller ID.

Good Luck

[GuyinCali]

THE LIST

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Back in April we had a list going, then some started getting calls, so here we go:

Here are the one's finshed with everything and just waiting on "The Call"?

1.Up On Base
2.LS1
3.jetset1
4.Bear1005
5.GuyinCali

Let's keep the list going, seems like it worked out last time....

Praying on the "Call" for an EOD....

[DWebb]

Everything but the medical here...

[Statetriple]

Guess you can add me to that List

I only have the Medical appt to do!

[Short-Round]

I done everything but Medical here too, 2008.

[bluecollar$]

I feel like we are all stuck on the island of misfit toys:D
I'm done and waiting...No medical,no call except for copies of DD214.

[Tac]

<----- watching, waiting, anticipating.....

[Tac]

First case is on me....who's got seconds?

[Up_On_Base]

First case is on me....who's got seconds?

Not sure if you can buy beer at Wa-Wa...regardless...I will buy the second case.

Never been to Artesia, from what I hear it's pretty bad. FLETC in GA was good times, wish we could go there.

Either way...just want the call.

[cpdsullivan117]

you can add me to the list too, just waiting on that medical. let's hope things pick up after the holidays.

[Bearcat357]

Not sure if you can buy beer at Wa-Wa...

Not in MD or PA......

Trust me.... :D

[AV8TOR]

You can add me to the list. I've done everything twice, the medical I've done only once. Good Luck to everyone, we should hear something in a few weeks.

THE LIST

Here are the one's finshed with everything and just waiting on "The Call"?

1.Up On Base
2.LS1
3.jetset1
4.Bear1005
5.GuyinCali
6.AV8TOR

Let's keep the list going, seems like it worked out last time....

Praying on the "Call" for an EOD....

[justdoitking]

Guys,

I would say that if you have completed your medical you should have already been offered a job. it is a requirment under EEOC to only conduct a medical examination at the post offer stage http://www.eeoc.gov/policy/docs/preemp.html

Therefore you have a valid discrimination case, FAMS know better! I would hope those who completed the medical would be offered employment soon. I would encourage each of you to contact eeorights@gmail to place your name on a list that if they fu.. you over than you have an advocate on your side. This list will be kept confidential until such time you need an advocate on your side. As you will note that most have not completed a physical because they changed the process after violating hundreds and possibly thousands of peoples rights since 2001.

If you question this, look at http://www.mspb.gov/netsearch/viewdocs.aspx?docnumber=303416&version=303780&application=ACROBAT

[Thor1911]

You can add me to the list. I've done everything twice, the medical I've done only once. Good Luck to everyone, we should hear something in a few weeks.

I have done everything twice, except the medical exam and fingerprinting. I have only done the finger printing and medical exam once.

I hear the new announcement will be about the 2nd week of January 2009 too.

[Up_On_Base]

Guys,

I would say that if you have completed your medical you should have already been offered a job. it is a requirment under EEOC to only conduct a medical examination at the post offer stage http://www.eeoc.gov/policy/docs/preemp.html

Therefore you have a valid discrimination case, FAMS know better! I would hope those who completed the medical would be offered employment soon. I would encourage each of you to contact eeorights@gmail to place your name on a list that if they fu.. you over than you have an advocate on your side. This list will be kept confidential until such time you need an advocate on your side. As you will note that most have not completed a physical because they changed the process after violating hundreds and possibly thousands of peoples rights since 2001.

If you question this, look at http://www.mspb.gov/netsearch/viewdocs.aspx?docnumber=303416&version=303780&application=ACROBAT

That is the only step we didn't complete yet.

[manstown]

Not sure what you're saying about having the medical complete. Are you saying that they have to hire you if you're finished? Because if that's what you're saying you're wrong. They don't have to hire you at all. There are plenty of people that have finished the whole process for all agencies and haven't been picked up. They can hire from any list they want regardless where others are in the process. Because you finished the process doesn't mean anything until they offer the job to you. And even then they don't have to hire you. Maybe I'm misreading what you're saying, but because you have everything finished doesn't mean they have to hire you. There's no EEO violation there. They can have 1000's of people finished the process and never hire. Or they can have 1000's finish just for the sole purpose of keeping a potential hire list. Unitl you get the offer, you're never guaranteed a job.

I know plenty of people that have finished the process with DEA, ATF, and even FAMS and were never picked up. One buddy even received a letter saying he wouldn't be offered the job. That was after he completed the whole process to include the medical.

And I would highly recommend not filing a complaint against the government because you didn't get hired after you completed the process. Just imagine how that looks once you go applying for another job and the ask if you've ever filed against the government. Kind of looks like a trouble maker to the agencies. Just because you're finished folks, doesn't mean you're owed a job.

[Up_On_Base]

Therefore you have a valid discrimination case, FAMS know better! I would hope those who completed the medical would be offered employment soon. I would encourage each of you to contact eeorights@gmail to place your name on a list that if they fu...

If you question this, look at http://www.mspb.gov/netsearch/viewdocs.aspx?docnumber=303416&version=303780&application=ACROBAT

Also - I didn't know the EEO had a G-mail address. Is this a personal email?

You seem to be very angry towards FAMS, not sure why??? Regardless, most of us know that every agency is jacked up in some way, you need to make it work for you.

Anyway - best of luck in your career but I doubt you will find many applicants on here that will join your cause.

[PigsdoFly]

Therefore you have a valid discrimination case, FAMS know better! I would hope those who completed the medical would be offered employment soon. I would encourage each of you to contact eeorights@gmail to place your name on a list that if they fu.. you over than you have an advocate on your side. This list will be kept confidential until such time you need an advocate on your side. As you will note that most have not completed a physical because they changed the process after violating hundreds and possibly thousands of peoples rights since 2001.

If you question this, look at http://www.mspb.gov/netsearch/viewdocs.aspx?docnumber=303416&version=303780&application=ACROBAT

WHAT? Sounds like someone is trying to get a kickback

[jetset1]

;)Guys,

I would say that if you have completed your medical you should have already been offered a job. it is a requirment under EEOC to only conduct a medical examination at the post offer stage http://www.eeoc.gov/policy/docs/preemp.html

Therefore you have a valid discrimination case, FAMS know better! I would hope those who completed the medical would be offered employment soon. I would encourage each of you to contact eeorights@gmail to place your name on a list that if they fu.. you over than you have an advocate on your side. This list will be kept confidential until such time you need an advocate on your side. As you will note that most have not completed a physical because they changed the process after violating hundreds and possibly thousands of peoples rights since 2001.

If you question this, look at http://www.mspb.gov/netsearch/viewdocs.aspx?docnumber=303416&version=303780&application=ACROBAT

I think O.J. would love to hear from you! He really needs an advocate about now.:rolleyes:

[Tac]

without lawyers, we wouldnt need so many laws....

[Tac]

consortium

[Tac]

hey Bearcat...
Some people are only news reporters....others are news makers... ya dig?

[jetset1]

Ladies and Gents,

Don’t get the wrong idea I am not angry with the FAMS, I am over that stage of the cycle, if you read my earlier post I note it is a good job (as you said every agency has problems, at least we know them here). Am I disappointed in some of management’s behaviours and actions, of course and I will advocate for the right thing even if it is not popular and at times this shows in frustration with the systemic problems and is perpetuated by some of their arrgoance thatclosely resembles a organisational psychopath. As they have and you will take an oath, we should live by that oath. Also, if you read some of the comments, just because it happens does not make it right**. Or does it? If we do nothing about violations of the law irregardless civil or criminal we will get unrest in our society.

Please note that a medical examination can only be conducted POST OFFER and if you research case law you will find what they do and what the law is may be two different things, as I am not providing legal advice, but the facts as the EEOC web site shows them. FAMS have now changed their process to comply to this law after being taken to task about it, and thats why only a few people are still around who have completed medical examinations.

Yes EEORIGHTS is a personal email it belongs to a consortium that I developed to fight the wrongs of management around discriminatory practices. So are you saying that once you file an EEOC complaint you are black listed? AKA retaliated against? In some instances this does happen, persucution is a power and control mechanism to say if you speak up you will be next. That is why it appears that FAMS have only a few whistle blowers as people know what happens, however can I say that those few whistleblowers have a lot of support from the inside, from employees and certain groups of managment. May I also, reccomend that the first two things you do if you are hired is to purchase proffessional liability insurance and join FLEOA.

Can I tell you that management as well as employees have current discrimination complaints pending and had discrimination complaints settled. It is about doing the right thing regardless of the popularity around it; sometimes this takes a value clarification exercise to really see how important this matter is and my hat is off to those past and present managers that stepped forward.

Thanks to each of you for your comments it tells me you have read the post! The good thing about this forum is we can agree to agree or agree to disagree and all get along and support each other through the journey. Yes I am aware managment monitors these post and others and some of the post are by a manager(s). So they know you are aware of your rights I post information in an attempt to keep them honest. Others and myself also advocate behind the scenes for these very issues, and processes to be changed... and have had some success so far.

Hope each of you have a Merry Christmas and those who may not celebrate, please enjoy the festive season.

I love this forum! Everybody gets a chance to speak their mind and stir it up. Merry Christmas and happy holidays to you and all! Good Luck with the process everybody and let's hope for that call before the 25th!! :cool:

[Up_On_Base]

FYI -

I celebrate festivus...so happy festivous everyone!

Oh...and happy holidays to the non believers of festivus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQFLqMyo0fo

[Bear1005]

Ok I got a "703" call today, and the first thing the lady asks is "if I still want the job", I was like yes. She said that I was the first one she got a hold of today that still wanted the job. Apparently the others she called were now hired by different agencies and what not. She said the next academy is in fact in March, and that the people that are selected will know some time in January. I am in Florida, and she said she was setting up the physicals in Orlando sometime in January. I don't know if this was for people getting hired for that particular field office or if the physical for the people that applied in that field office are going to happen there and get hired for another field office. Anyone that has any questions can PM me. I'm not sure what's going to happen, but I am thankful I am still in the process.

Once again,

Good Luck Everyone!!

[Thor1911]

Ok I got a "703" call today, and the first thing the lady asks is "if I still want the job", I was like yes. She said that I was the first one she got a hold of today that still wanted the job. Apparently the others she called were now hired by different agencies and what not. She said the next academy is in fact in March, and that the people that are selected will know some time in January. I am in Florida, and she said she was setting up the physicals in Orlando sometime in January. I don't know if this was for people getting hired for that particular field office or if the physical for the people that applied in that field office are going to happen there and get hired for another field office. Anyone that has any questions can PM me. I'm not sure what's going to happen, but I am thankful I am still in the process.

Once again,

Good Luck Everyone!!
So you hadn't taken the medical yet? Were you finger printed?
I have a feeling that this was processing for your field office in Orlando only because my understanding of FO that will be on the January announcement is limit and there were not any in FL.
I am hoping that there will be an opening at the FO I applied too.
Good luck, God Bless, and Merry Christmas (or Happy Holidays if applicable).

[AWVet]

i received an email recently with instructions to get my eqip, etc done. i had my fingerprints done at the airport yesterday. this is obviously a good thing but where do you think i stand in the grand scheme of things? i'm sort of in a weird predicament considering i start the police academy next month...

[Patrio72]

Go ahead and start Police Academy and send FAMS HR my contact info! :D

[Up_On_Base]

Go ahead and start Police Academy and send FAMS HR my contact info! :D

Ha!

That is funny.

I would take the first offer and if you still want FAMS moving forward you can quit. Depends what kind of police work you prefer, proactive or security based.

[Short-Round]

I talked to them too and I was told in mid Jan I will be told if I got a job or better luck next time. I was sent eqip stuff to and need to get my fingerprints done as well.

[Bear1005]

Thor,

I haven't taken the medical yet, and I haven't been finger printed yet either. I hope you get the opening you applied for. I applied for all the openings. I just happen to go through everything in Orlando.

Good luck, God Bless, and Merry Christmas to you as well.

So you hadn't taken the medical yet? Were you finger printed?
I have a feeling that this was processing for your field office in Orlando only because my understanding of FO that will be on the January announcement is limit and there were not any in FL.
I am hoping that there will be an opening at the FO I applied too.
Good luck, God Bless, and Merry Christmas (or Happy Holidays if applicable).

[Bear1005]

First off, that's awesome that you got an email to get that stuff done. I have not got that email yet. As for where you stand, your guess is as good as mine or anyone elses on here. If I had to make a guess, I would say you are further then most. Start the academy like you have no other job, and leave if and when FAMS offers you a job!! At least that is what I would do.

i received an email recently with instructions to get my eqip, etc done. i had my fingerprints done at the airport yesterday. this is obviously a good thing but where do you think i stand in the grand scheme of things? i'm sort of in a weird predicament considering i start the police academy next month...

[firecop_22]

I don't know if this has ever been posted but I came across another FAM forum. It is...

(I was just advised that we can't post other forums on here, so I deleted the link)

[AWVet]

Go ahead and start Police Academy and send FAMS HR my contact info! :D

That's funny stuff:eek:

[AWVet]

First off, that's awesome that you got an email to get that stuff done. I have not got that email yet. As for where you stand, your guess is as good as mine or anyone elses on here. If I had to make a guess, I would say you are further then most. Start the academy like you have no other job, and leave if and when FAMS offers you a job!! At least that is what I would do.

That's exactly what i was thinking

[justdoitking]

The Federal Air Marshal Service is actively preparing to open a new vacancy announcement for Federal Air Marshals in early January 2009. The FAMS vacancy announcements will continue to be posted on the www.USAjobs.opm.gov <http://www.usajobs.opm.gov/> website and applicants can apply via a posted link to the appropriate FAMS vendor. You may search for Federal Air Marshal Service positions at this website and submit your application for this announcement during this time frame.

Listed below are the requirements and qualifications necessary to be considered for a position as a Federal Air Marshal (FAM). We do not currently have an open vacancy announcement.

Federal Air Marshal SV-1801-G

RESPONSIBILITIES: The incumbent is subject to work a tour of duty that meets program requirements including shift work, nights, weekends and holidays and subject to required regular and recurring overnight travel.

This position requires that the incumbent carry a firearm. Individuals selected must meet initial and recurrent qualifications in the use of firearms.

ASSESSMENT PROCESS: The assessment process is extensive and includes structured interviews, computer-based tests, medical examination, psychological assessment and background investigation.

The OLE/FAMS has implemented a Physical Training Assessment (PTA) requirement for all applicants in order to assess ability to successfully participate in strenuous physical activity during formal training with minimized risk of injury. Candidates will be evaluated for performance of the following physical tasks: Pull-ups, sit-ups, push-ups, and a 1.5-mile run. There is no minimum required score for the PTA. The fitness evaluation level achieved by candidates is a factor considered in the applicant assessment process.

Applicants will be prompted to provide associated background investigation information as part of the application package.

REQUIREMENTS: Required supporting documents include proof of citizenship, SF-50 or equivalent, DD-214, SF-15 and DVA approval letter, and college transcripts as applicable. Documents must be attached to the online application.

Candidates for this position must be at least 21 years old before their entry on duty date.

This position is a primary law enforcement position under 5 U.S.C. 8336 (C) (CSRS) and 5 U.S.C. 8412 (D) (FERS). Persons making their first entry into a law enforcement position under these authorities must be appointed before reaching their 37th birthday. Persons already in covered secondary positions or persons with previous creditable service who apply for a primary position cannot be considered if their age at reentry into the primary position exceeds 37 years after subtracting their years of service in covered positions. Applicants must provide evidence of current or previous coverage that would qualify.

ADDITIONAL NOTES: This announcement is open continuous. Candidates are notified of application status online, by email, or by phone. Applicants can update personal information at any time online.

Initial appointment requires completion of a 2-year trial period with the following exceptions: New hires entitled to Veterans Preference serve a one-year trial period. Former Federal employees with career status or current Federal employees who move to TSA without a break in service will not be required to serve another trial period if they have already completed a trial/probationary period.

This announcement is being used to consider internal Merit Promotion and external candidates. You will be considered under all categories for which you are eligible.

DUTIES: (The duties described reflect the full performance level of this position)

Incumbent serves as a Federal Air Marshal (FAM) in the OLE/FAMS, Transportation Security Administration (TSA), a component of the Department of Homeland Security. The OLE/FAMS promotes confidence in our Nation's civil transportation systems through the effective risk-based strategic deployment of Federal Air Marshals and other OLE/FAMS law enforcement resources in both air and land based mission related assignments. The organization’s primary focus is to detect, deter, and defeat terrorist or other criminal hostile acts targeting U.S. air carriers, airports, passengers, crew, and when necessary, other transportation modes within the Nation’s general transportation systems.

Consistent with the duties described herein, FAMs: administer, coordinate, supervise or perform, investigative, analytical, or advisory work to enforce federal laws, regulations, or other mandatory guidelines; carry firearms; make arrests without warrants for any offense against the United States committed in their presence, or for any felony cognizable under the laws of the United States if there is probable cause to believe that a felony is or has been committed; seek and execute warrants for arrest or seizure of evidence issued under the authority of the United States upon probable cause that a violation has been committed; and identify and interview witnesses and suspects; and present information regarding the previous activities to the appropriate U.S. Attorney, as necessary. Such enforcement activities may involve matters of extreme sensitivity with difficult planning and coordination problems because of jurisdictional concerns involving other nations and federal, state, county, and local governments.

Participate, as needed, in multi-agency task forces and in land-based investigative assignments involving other federal, state and local agencies consistent with the President’s agenda for an integrated federal law enforcement and intelligence approach to proactively fight terrorism at all levels.

Incumbents are required to work for long periods without a break; are on call 24 hours a day, participate in a mandatory physical fitness program, and are required to maintain proficiency in the use of firearms.

Effective performance of FAM duties and responsibilities requires employment of law enforcement techniques, including: surveillance, surveillance detection and counter surveillance; interviews and interrogations; background checks; use of wireless device systems, cameras and copiers; report writing; making arrests and detentions; conducting searches and seizures; preparing and obtaining complaints and warrants; working with the U.S. Attorney; testifying in court; and carrying out undercover and covert work assignments.

At the full performance level, the incumbent serves in a lead capacity as a key person and team leader, and may serve in the capacity of acting supervisor as directed in the supervisor's absence.

ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS:

INITIAL TRAINING: Upon entrance to duty with the Office of Law Enforcement/Federal Air Marshal Service (OLE/FAMS), the employee must be available to attend a seven-week residential training course in Artesia, New Mexico followed by an additional seven weeks at the OLE/FAMS Training Academy in Atlantic City, New Jersey. The employee must reside at each location for the duration of the training.

MOBILITY AGREEMENT: Selectees will be required to sign a Mobility Agreement as a condition of employment. DUTY LOCATION IS DETERMINED BASED ON THE NEEDS OF THE FEDERAL AIR MARSHAL SERVICE AND THE INCUMBENT MAY BE REASSIGNED TO DIFFERENT GEOGRAPHIC LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THEIR TENURE.

LAUTENBERG NOTICE: Title 18 USC, Section 922 (G), automatically disqualifies anyone who has been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence from being appointed to this position. Upon selection, the candidate must complete the Qualifications Declaration and Inquiry for Positions Requiring the Possession of Firearms or Ammunition Form.

CLEARANCE: This position requires a Top Secret Security Clearance and the completion of a favorable Single Scope Background Investigation (SSBI) prior to appointment, unless a waiver is obtained. The incumbent will be subject to a 5-year periodic reinvestigation. The selectee must be able to obtain and keep a Top Secret Security Clearance.

MINIMUM FEDERAL QUALIFICATION REQUIREMENTS:

Pay Band G: Qualifying experience for the SV-G level includes three (3) years of general experience, 1 year of which was equivalent to the GS-4 level which shows ability to: analyze problems, gather pertinent data, and recognize solutions; plan and organize work; and communicate effectively orally and in writing. Such experience may have been gained in administrative, professional, technical, investigative or other responsible work.

SUBSTITUTION OF EDUCATION FOR EXPERIENCE: The experience requirement for the SV-G level may be met by successful completion of a full 4-year course of study in any field leading to a bachelor's degree from an accredited college or university.

COMBINATION OF EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE: Equivalent combinations of successfully completed undergraduate education and experience may be used to meet the experience requirements.

Pay Band H: Qualifying experience for the SV-H level includes one year of specialized experience equivalent to at least the SV-G or the GS-9 level which is in or directly related to the line of work of the position to be filled and which has equipped the applicant with the particular knowledge, skills, and abilities to successfully perform the duties of the position.

SUBSTITUTION OF EDUCATION FOR EXPERIENCE: Experience requirements at the SV-H level may be met by three (3) full academic years of graduate level education or the successful completion of a Ph.D. or equivalent doctoral degree. If using education as a substitution for experience, the education must be in a directly related field.

COMBINATION OF EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE: Equivalent combinations of successfully completed education and experience may be used to meet the experience requirements.

Pay Band I: Qualifying experience for the SV-I level includes one year of specialized experience at least equivalent to the SV-H or the GS-12 level which is in or directly related to the line of work of the position to be filled and which has equipped the applicant with the particular knowledge, skills, and abilities to successfully perform the duties of the position.

OTHER SIGNIFICANT FACTS:

All applicants will be considered without regard to race, color, religion, national origin, marital status, political affiliation, age, sex, sexual orientation, handicapping condition, membership in an employee organization, or any other non-merit factors.

This agency provides reasonable accommodation to applicants with disabilities. If you need a reasonable accommodation for any part of the application and hiring process, please notify the agency. The decision on granting reasonable accommodation will be on a case-by-case basis.

Relocation expenses are not authorized.

LAW ENFORCEMENT AGE REQUIREMENT: In accordance with Public Law 100-238, this position is covered under law enforcement retirement provisions; therefore, candidates must be appointed before reaching their 37th birthday unless they presently serve or have previously served in a Federal civilian law enforcement retirement-covered position.

As a condition of employment, all male applicants born after December 31, 1959, must have registered for the selective service. If selected for this position, the applicant must sign a statement certifying his registration, or the applicant must demonstrate exempt status under the Selective Service Law.

Applicants must be U.S. citizens or nationals.

Generally, preference is granted to veterans who entered military service prior to October 14, 1976; or served on active duty during the period from August 2, 1990, through January 2, 1992, and who are otherwise eligible; or who have served in a military action for which they received a Campaign Badge or Expeditionary Medal. This includes the Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal (AFEM) awarded to those who participated in Operation Joint Endeavor or Operation Joint Guard. Also, you may be entitled to veterans' preference if you are a disabled veteran; you have received a Purple Heart; you are the spouse or mother of a disabled veteran; or you are the widow, widower, or mother of a deceased veteran. You will need to submit a Standard Form (SF) 15 and proof of your claim.

If you are claiming 5-point veterans' preference, or you are applying for consideration under the Veteran Recruitment Authority, attach a copy of your DD-214 "Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active Duty" or other proof of eligibility. If you are applying for consideration under the 30% or more Disabled Veteran Authority, you must attach a SF-15, "Application for 10-Point Veterans' Preference" plus the proof required by that form.

YES I HAVE DIRECT LINKS TO FAMS, Anyone want to speak to the Director or Deputy? LOL

I have queried a few things as I know several have asked me about age and medical exams. Pending Query is based on a legal opinon of TSA Supervisory Attorney Advsior Around Age, given to the agency.

Can you tell me if veterans get an exemption to the age requirement? As you may be aware that the MSPB made a ruling in relation to this?

"A recently issued Merit Systems Protection Board (MSPB) case, Isabella v. Department of State, 2008 MSPB 146 (July 2, 2008). Going forward from the date of that decision, the Board has found that agencies must waive the maximum entry age requirement in limited situation where: (1) the applicant is preference eligible (i.e., has veterans preference status); and (2) the maximum age requirement is not essential to the performance of the duties of the position. The Isabella case does not apply retroactively to prior cases."

Also will previous applicants whom finished the process have to reapply? As, I understand others are being contacted who did not finish the process? Are being scheduled medical examinations for the upcoming class Next year!

Hope this info helps some of you.

[Patrio72]

Thanks for posting that information. I didn't see anything about which field offices need to be filled. According to HR, there are only 6 cities that will be on the new announcement. I wonder which FO's will be on the new announcement?

Also, I am curious if HR will reach the "Qualified" list of applicants from the 2008 announcement before they work off of the 2009 list. Otherwise, it would appear as if being rated as a Qualified applicant won't do any good if HR only choose from the "Best/Highly Qualified" and "Well Qualified" groups.

Patriot72

[Up_On_Base]

i was also contacted by fams this week for eqip, fingerprinting, and several other forms they would like filled out.

also just an fyi patriot, when i had my sac interview (which was early 08), he stated that they rarely hire anyone rated qualified, and that if you were not rated highly qualified or well qualified that you did not stand a very good chance of getting hired, not trying to take any wind from your sails but I thought you would want to know the information.

Looks like they are gearing up for some hiring after the holidays!

I thought FAMS used the terms, Must hire, Hire, etc.

I filled out the eqip stuff last spring...the entire process will be about a year if I get picked up soon...not bad by federal standards.

[airisfine]

Sweet good luck guys they will fill at least three classes that I have heard of

[ayden0526]

For those of us who are as close to the beggining as only having successfully completed the phone interview, do you suspect that they will start on us as well....or do you guys think they will trash it?

[Up_On_Base]

Sweet good luck guys they will fill at least three classes that I have heard of

How many per class?

And is there an O.com class?

[PigsdoFly]

She said the next academy is in fact in March

Its true for indoc and Phase I.

[justdoitking]

Have a few days before my travels start.... so I thought I would continue to provide updates as I get them. They still have some details to work out befre the announcement is posted I have been told. Try to stay away from NJ, & OH field office they are known to be the worst two in the service you would know the cities they are in.

[Up_On_Base]

Have a few days before my travels start.... so I thought I would continue to provide updates as I get them. They still have some details to work out befre the announcement is posted I have been told. Try to stay away from NJ, & OH field office they are known to be the worst two in the service you would know the cities they are in.

I hear EWR is by far the best.

That is from multiple people. I guess everyone is different...safe travels

[Bearcat357]

OH field office

Errr....I know quite a few folks in that office....and they all like working there...

[Bear1005]

I think that any assignment you get will be what you make of it.

If you don't want NJ or OH, let me know, I would gladly take your slot!!!

[jetset1]

I think that any assignment you get will be what you make of it.

If you don't want NJ or OH, let me know, I would gladly take your slot!!!



I also spoke with many that state Newark is one of the best!

[Time4newjob]

Everyone I know in FAMS states EWR is a great FO. They just have a hard time retaining due to the area's cost of living.

[Time4newjob]

Justdoit,
What makes these offices not so desirable and what are your sources? Are you actively involved in law enforcement? Practitioner or Academia? I'm not picking a fight, I just want to assess who the reliable members are on this forum. Thanks

[manstown]

Justdoit,
What makes these offices not so desirable and what are your sources? Are you actively involved in law enforcement? Practitioner or Academia? I'm not picking a fight, I just want to assess who the reliable members are on this forum. Thanks

Pigs will be your best reliable source on here, and Intheaircop. I have a couple buddies at EWR and they like the FO. The FO I was at sucked, and there are many there that will back me on that, and NYFO sucks as well because of the tyrrant they have running it. Or I should say the tyrrant that was running it when I left. And I've met and flown with those from the OH office and trust me when I say it's far from the worst.

[justdoitking]

I speak to over a hundred FAMS a month and a one or two of those filling the role of TSAR. I believe every field office has pros (not the ones in Thailand, and other places that..) and cons (not former FAMS as noted in recent stories). I have heard NY is changing, that it has become a political office, current FAMS Know what I am referring to with a recent staged visit for a member of congress. Secure Skies tell the story.

OH is still recovering from the former SAC and NJ still has a lot of complaints. Cost to live there, hell it is like a second LEAP payment. Honestly, I think if you get in and test the waters for yourself. Surely, if you want the job you take where they send you.

My background well I spent some time with the FAMS and watched the recruiting blitz and the service build up and start to change, when the change of command and control been completed seen the original 33 FAMS be belittled and treated like ****, I had enough and left and keep in touch regularly with some of the original 33 and many others that I have worked with some current and some former FAMS, and am contacted by others because they to feel things are not okay.

I am still actively working with DHS/TSA to fix some of the problems, and advocate for the right thing to be done. Some things as some people know to have traditionally been done, and this does not make them right. I would love to see Obama rescind that recent Executive order and allow for a union to come into the FAMS. This would drive policy change and bring consistency across offices and be an accountability mechanism for the Leadership of the service.

I love the FAM Service mission,it could not be more valuable to our security, 'transportation' is a very critical infrastructure and plays a mjor role to our countries success.

Hopefully, this clarfies any questions many of you have.

[PigsdoFly]

My background well I spent some time with the FAMS

Were you a flying FAM or when you spend time with us did you work in the office? Just curious.

[PigsdoFly]

Justdoit,
What makes these offices not so desirable and what are your sources? Are you actively involved in law enforcement? Practitioner or Academia? I'm not picking a fight, I just want to assess who the reliable members are on this forum. Thanks

There are pros and cons in every office, it doesn't matter where you go there will be issues. I can pretty much guarantee you, that if you are offered the job they will only give you the choice of one office not a couple.

[justdoitking]

Those who contacted me about their rights as a veteran, please visit this sight and contact them;

http://www.hirevetsfirst.gov/contact.asp

Also the link to the Isabella case is attached;

http://www.mspb.gov/netsearch/viewdocs.aspx?docnumber=280837&version=281168&application=ACROBAT

Sorry for the broadcast response but if 3 people have similar questions other might have the same.

[Time4newjob]

What is a "TSAR" ?

[GuyinCali]

THE LIST

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Back in April we had a list going, then some started getting calls, so here we go:

Here are the one's finshed with everything and just waiting on "The Call"?

1.Up On Base
2.LS1
3.jetset1
4.Bear1005
5.GuyinCali
6.DWebb
7.Statetriple
8.Short-Round
9.bluecollar$
10.Tac
11.cpdsullivan117
12.AV8TOR
13.Thor1911

Let's keep the list going, seems like it worked out last time....

Praying on the "Call" for EOD's....

[Seahawks398]

Is it me or do I not see any FAM jobs on usajobs?
Do they polygraph?

[george4]

No polygraph and there is not a current vacancy announcement.

[justdoitking]

What is a "TSAR" ?

TSA Representative (TSAR), they are stationed overseas and have various functions they are required to perform.

[justdoitking]

THE LIST

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Back in April we had a list going, then some started getting calls, so here we go:

Here are the one's finshed with everything and just waiting on "The Call"?

1.Up On Base
2.LS1
3.jetset1
4.Bear1005
5.GuyinCali
6.DWebb
7.Statetriple
8.Short-Round
9.bluecollar$
10.Tac
11.cpdsullivan117
12.AV8TOR
13.Thor1911

Let's keep the list going, seems like it worked out last time....

Praying on the "Call" for EOD's....

I have just read a document poduced by SAC GARY and he said... "Applicants who receive a favorably adjudicated medical examination will be offered a position and an entry on duty date based on available current, open and funded positions at specfic geographic areas of consideration." The final offer of employment is subject to a full field investigation, and recipt of a Top Secret security clearnace."

[Short-Round]

well sorta, I just completed eqip and prints. Other than that yeah everything but medical.

[Thor1911]

I have just read a document poduced by SAC GARY and he said... "Applicants who receive a favorably adjudicated medical examination will be offered a position and an entry on duty date based on available current, open and funded positions at specfic geographic areas of consideration." The final offer of employment is subject to a full field investigation, and recipt of a Top Secret security clearnace."

So, does this apply to the 2009 announcement, i.e., those of us who have completed everything (and I do mean everything) need to reapply again and we will be given preference over new applicants or people who have not completed everything based on our FO selection?

Or does this mean that we should be waiting for someone to call us in the New Year prior to the January 2009 announcement?

My local FO person said that I should not be contacting HQ about my application status. Anyone (current FAMS or FAMS recruiters) know if contacting HQ can hurt you in the process?

[PigsdoFly]

So, does this apply to the 2009 announcement, i.e., those of us who have completed everything (and I do mean everything) need to reapply again and we will be given preference over new applicants or people who have not completed everything based on our FO selection?

Or does this mean that we should be waiting for someone to call us in the New Year prior to the January 2009 announcement?

My local FO person said that I should not be contacting HQ about my application status. Anyone (current FAMS or FAMS recruiters) know if contacting HQ can hurt you in the process?


Your local FO contact is right, do not contact HQ about the hiring. It is still somewhat of a mess right now. There is ALOT of things going on in the agency (shake ups). Just wait for the new announcement and follow its directions

[DWebb]

THE LIST

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Back in April we had a list going, then some started getting calls, so here we go:

Here are the one's finshed with everything and just waiting on "The Call"?

1.Up On Base
2.LS1
3.jetset1
4.Bear1005
5.GuyinCali
6.DWebb
7.Statetriple
8.Short-Round
9.bluecollar$
10.Tac
11.cpdsullivan117
12.AV8TOR
13.Thor1911

Let's keep the list going, seems like it worked out last time....

Praying on the "Call" for EOD's....

Actually, I still have the medical to do.

[DWebb]

Your local FO contact is right, do not contact HQ about the hiring. It is still somewhat of a mess right now. There is ALOT of things going on in the agency (shake ups). Just wait for the new announcement and follow its directions

My local FO contact seems to have less info on this process than I. Don't know why. I've tried calling HQ on several occasions. Never get a call back when I leave messages, but I have been able to get through on one occasion. Don't know if I've been hurt by this persistence or not. Guess I'll find out the hard way.

[Thor1911]

Your local FO contact is right, do not contact HQ about the hiring. It is still somewhat of a mess right now. There is ALOT of things going on in the agency (shake ups). Just wait for the new announcement and follow its directions

I forwarded him an email from FAMS (FAMSemployment@secureskies.net) in which they responded to my question about if the Review Board met and the status of my application. FAMS replied "There were better qualified applicants selected. Please reapply if you wish to be reconsidered."

To which my recruiter stated "it was not a good idea to try and contact them directly."

Patience is a virtue...I will reapply in January 2009.

P.S. - Give us the details on the "shake ups."

[Thor1911]

Actually, I still have the medical to do.

Let me be clear, I have completed everything except signing an acceptance offer. I am still hoping and praying for "the call" by mid to late January.

[DWebb]

But I thought you contacted HR directly and they told you sorry and reapply? If I got a message like that, I would expect my file had been "round filed." What makes you think it has not and why? Not trying to be snide, just asking. Also, does your recruiter seem to know what is going on? Mine does not.

Let me be clear, I have completed everything except signing an acceptance offer. I am still hoping and praying for "the call" by mid to late January.

[Thor1911]

But I thought you contacted HR directly and they told you sorry and reapply? If I got a message like that, I would expect my file had been "round filed." What makes you think it has not and why? Not trying to be snide, just asking. Also, does your recruiter seem to know what is going on? Mine does not.

I said I was still hoping and praying for the call. Additionally, my first response from FAM included someone's name, this one did not.

Finally, there is a ranking system for applicants and I may still be in queue there, just that they have hired (people ranked above me) who that they are going to hire and at this point. I am remembered at my FO of application and believe that I am highly desired at least locally.

Nevertheless, I think we will all have to reapply in 2009 base on what has been posted.

I have not had a voice conversation with my recruiter in a couple of weeks. I will probably give him a call over the Holiday or first thing in the New Year.

[Up_On_Base]

Ok, I got a question that I don't think was asked on here.

If you are a FAM and offered promotion/transfer does the Service pay for the move? I know they do not cover initial move.

I would think, Yes for a promotion and No for a requested transfer.

Also, are transfers very common from high cost of living areas? Or are they blocked by management?

Thanks

[Up_On_Base]

I have been told that transfers are not a common occurrence (this came from the ATSAC who processed my group during our interviews), especially out of high cost of living area's.

That is a good thing if you have a family...limited moving.

[gonefishin]

Ok, I got a question that I don't think was asked on here.

If you are a FAM and offered promotion/transfer does the Service pay for the move? I know they do not cover initial move.

I would think, Yes for a promotion and No for a requested transfer.

Also, are transfers very common from high cost of living areas? Or are they blocked by management?

Thanks
For promotions they generally pay....for requested transfers they do not. After you have approx 3 years on (one full year at I band) you are eligible for a transfer but it is not guaranteed....it all depends on staffing numbers between the gaining and losing offices.

[justdoitking]

For promotions they generally pay....for requested transfers they do not. After you have approx 3 years on (one full year at I band) you are eligible for a transfer but it is not guaranteed....it all depends on staffing numbers between the gaining and losing offices.

http://pogoblog.typepad.com/pogo/2008/12/fams-director-defends-agencys-treatment-of-whistleblowers.html

He indicates over 200 transfered since the inception of the program in 2006

[Irishhammer]

Is this position still open to apply for? Its very hard to find any information about it online.

[Up_On_Base]

Is this position still open to apply for? Its very hard to find any information about it online.

Just read through the last 10 pages and all your answers will be answered.

But...it's not open now...will be in mid Jan is the rumor.

[Tac]

Best wishes (and hopefully that job offer we've all been waiting on) for the New Year!

[Up_On_Base]

Hey all.

Hope everyone's holiday was good, got a strange question.

As FAMS is starting to expand it's mission beyond flying (still it's bread/butter) do you think they will join w/ DOT, http://www.dot.gov/

DOT has 1811 and seems like a good fit, thoughts?

[gonefishin]

Hey all.

Hope everyone's holiday was good, got a strange question.

As FAMS is starting to expand it's mission beyond flying (still it's bread/butter) do you think they will join w/ DOT, http://www.dot.gov/

DOT has 1811 and seems like a good fit, thoughts?


We were originally with DOT (Under the FAA). I don't think we will be going back.

[ujocka]

justdoitking..What do you do? What is your background? I am talking position, not agency. Declaring an agency doesnt say anything, as each agency has a full range of staff, from file clerks on up.

[Time4newjob]

My experience as a LEO (total of 12 yrs now) has helped me develop a sense for picking up on B/S! Some people just provide to much info and wan't something so bad that will always be out of their reach. It's not just the FAM's that can distinguish a person who may be embelishing on their qualities, experience and/or position(s) held. Oh, add to that their level of education.

Anyway, Many of us have been on this thread a while and know who we can seek reliable information from. Those "posters" have been here for a while and can be credited with the integrity of this thread. Thank you for your good and credible information. Stay safe and be careful out there!

[OVERCBPII]

..............................

[GuyinCali]

THE LIST

So should we up date THE LIST??? Any new members have updates, have you completed the process on the 2007, or 2008 app process and just waiting on "The Call" for an EOD?

Count down, the new year (2009) is just around the corner, keep your fingers crossed and say a prayer for "The Calls" for EOD's to starting ringing away...

[England]

I applied for this position back in Feb of 08, then I received the email stating I met basic qualific, etc... and they would be contacting me for a phone interview.

A few months later I got another email basically saying they were full.

Does anyone on this forum know if I have to apply again when they have a new annoucement or if my old app. will still be valid?

Thanks

[jetset1]

So, back to business! Does anyone think that the calls if any would go out this week or not until after the new year?? I'm thinking new year but what do I know??:D

[manstown]

I applied for this position back in Feb of 08, then I received the email stating I met basic qualific, etc... and they would be contacting me for a phone interview.

A few months later I got another email basically saying they were full.

Does anyone on this forum know if I have to apply again when they have a new annoucement or if my old app. will still be valid?

Thanks

I know the application is a lengthy ordeal. Maybe Lockheed will tweek it so it won't be as bad as on AVUE. But you'd be better off applying again.

As for the calls.....they could surprise you, but I'd doubt it. Depending when the next class is, I would bank on the calls going out about a month before. With the talk of a new announcement coming out they will getting vamped up for that.

[Bearcat357]

So, back to business! Does anyone think that the calls if any would go out this week or not until after the new year?? I'm thinking new year but what do I know??:D

Your not going to get anything till after the first of the year......

Most Federal employees (if not damn near all of them) are burning time off during the holidays......

I would suspect if they are going to do anything it will be around the first-second week once everyone is back in place....

But also remember, the new turnover of Administrations may jack with some stuff as well.....

Just be patient.....

[Supersonic527]

Hello all. I was an applicant in the 2005 announcement and completed the process but never heard a final word. Looking forward to the new year and putting in another application.

[PigsdoFly]

So, back to business! Does anyone think that the calls if any would go out this week or not until after the new year?? I'm thinking new year but what do I know??:D

Read manstown's post about not getting a call untill a week or so out of when phase I would start. This is usually the case and if so calls wont be out until late late winter

[PigsdoFly]

For all applicants, rumor has it that the new company handling the process with go much smoother than AVUE.

[manstown]

Just to add with everything else. Those wondering if they'll need to apply again, in new announcements it will suggest if you should apply again. No one here will really know that answer. Some agencies will keep you moving on with the process you already started. When a new announcement comes out it sometimes says whether or not you need to apply. Just wait for that new announcement to come out and look through to see if makes any mention.

[911fedz]

I was giving a e-mail and ask if I was still interested and if I am send a copy of my SF-50. Did anyone get that e-mail.

[Up_On_Base]

I was giving a e-mail and ask if I was still interested and if I am send a copy of my SF-50. Did anyone get that e-mail.

Many of us were contacted a few weeks/months ago for this kind of info (SF 50, transcripts, etc), I think they are getting ready to make a bunch of offers.

Not sure when all these people will start training though, there is limited room.

[Bearcat357]

For all applicants, rumor has it that the new company handling the process with go much smoother than AVUE.

Question.....do you know if it's only DHS/TSA/FAMS going to the new system or is it everyone that uses AVUE that will be going to it...?

I can't get a straight answer out of anyone I know.....

TY...

[justdoitking]

As I understood it TSA was getting the New contract with Lockheed Martin Corp worth $1.2 billion contract for the development and management of TSA's human resources operations known as Integrated Hiring Operations and Personnel Program (IHOPP). I believe that DHS is still working on some projects with Northrop Grumman Corp.

As Pigs noted the new HR system is to be high tech, and better staffed.

[PigsdoFly]

Question.....do you know if it's only DHS/TSA/FAMS going to the new system or is it everyone that uses AVUE that will be going to it...?

I can't get a straight answer out of anyone I know.....

TY...

As noted only TSA and some other agencies are using Lockhead now, but not all of DHS. From what I understand its kind of a blood bath when they go for these contracts.

[Bearcat357]

As noted only TSA and some other agencies are using Lockhead now, but not all of DHS. From what I understand its kind of a blood bath when they go for these contracts.

It's going to be a cluster F.....I can see it already....

AVUE is already a PITA to use......

[PigsdoFly]

It's going to be a cluster F.....I can see it already....

Im with you on that one, Im glad Im already in.

[Bearcat357]

Im with you on that one, Im glad Im already in.

I've applied for jobs that use AVUE.....no thanks....

I am sure whatever the new system is will be overloaded at first because some idiot US Gov Manager didn't think that many peeps would apply for FAMS jobs.....

Just saying......as I have seen this stuff time and time again with the USG.....

[PigsdoFly]

I've applied for jobs that use AVUE.....no thanks....

I am sure whatever the new system is will be overloaded at first because some idiot US Gov Manager didn't think that many peeps would apply for FAMS jobs.....

Just saying......as I have seen this stuff time and time again with the USG.....

I'm with you on that one. When the second major hiring blitz went on in '05, there was something like 30,000-50,000 applicants for 100 initial positions. I can only imagine what its going to look like.

[Bearcat357]

I'm with you on that one. When the second major hiring blitz went on in '05, there was something like 30,000-50,000 applicants for 100 initial positions. I can only imagine what its going to look like.

Which is pretty jacked up because you can read on this thread....and on the US Capitol Police thread, the Pentagon Police thread, the US Secret Service-Uniformed Divison thread, etc......that well over half the folks applying for positions like this/those have absoutely no clue what they are getting themselves into...... They apply to them because of the cool sounding name, the cool creds, and what they think is some sort of job that will make them Jack Bauerish.....and they will be out saving the world from evil terrorist on a daily basis or kicking in doors on a daily basis.....

They don't realize with you guys the mismangement of the agency due to the USSS Mafia, the long hours of either sitting aboard an A/C or on the ground due to weather, eating crappy food at an airport because you have no other options, the fact that most of the cool cities you fly into, your not there long enough to play tourist, as you are busting azz to get to your next flight, when you do get to layover at a cool city, you will have to be up at teh crack of dawn to hit your first flight of the next day, chances for promotions and/or moving to another city are pretty slim, etc.......

Your job is what it is......along with those other ones. That's why I just shake my head when I see the disgruntled folks on here trying to bash an agency that they worked for and left because they had no clue what they were getting into....and didn't realize they were going to be flying all over the place and not getting to arrest or investigate stuff....or having to stand foot/fixed posts for a while until they get seniority......

[justdoitking]

I'm with you on that one. When the second major hiring blitz went on in '05, there was something like 30,000-50,000 applicants for 100 initial positions. I can only imagine what its going to look like.

Apparently, as part of the tendering process these high standards have been set to meet the large amount of applicants and the system has been redesigned (hence a new name) to prevent cetain practices from taking place that have took place in the past. Apparently being able to accommodate those numbers plus. We shall see!

I have faith that CG who use to be the FAMS HR Director at one point and is now is a Deputy Director, Staffing and Services at DHS Chief Human Capital Office (I beleive thats her title now) has learned a lot from the past and this process will be a lot better than the AVUE contract.

[GuyinCali]

I'm with you on that one. When the second major hiring blitz went on in '05, there was something like 30,000-50,000 applicants for 100 initial positions. I can only imagine what its going to look like.

What have you heard about those of us waiting on the Old Announcements (2007 & 2008)...

Will we have to complete the entire process all over with the the new 30,000-50,000 applicants? Or will our packets be on the hiring managers desk for EOD's?

Thanks...

[justdoitking]

that well over half the folks applying for positions like this/those have absolutely no clue what they are getting themselves into...... They apply to them because of the cool sounding name, the cool creds, and what they think is some sort of job that will make them Jack Bauerish.....and they will be out saving the world from evil terrorist on a daily basis or kicking in doors on a daily basis.....

They don't realize with you guys the mismanagement of the agency due to the USSS Mafia, the long hours of either sitting aboard an A/C or on the ground due to weather, eating crappy food at an airport because you have no other options, the fact that most of the cool cities you fly into, your not there long enough to play tourist, as you are busting azz to get to your next flight, when you do get to layover at a cool city, you will have to be up at the crack of dawn to hit your first flight of the next day, chances for promotions and/or moving to another city are pretty slim, etc.......

Your job is what it is......along with those other ones. That's why I just shake my head when I see the disgruntled folks on here trying to bash an agency that they worked for and left because they had no clue what they were getting into....and didn't realize they were going to be flying all over the place and not getting to arrest or investigate stuff....or having to stand foot/fixed posts for a while until they get seniority......

This is what happened to me and many others after 9/11 and than as you noted the Job did not change but the management did and as the old crusty USSS Mafia retire the service will get better. Bray and Brown neither have been to bad of directors but the second tier puppeteers like Byers keep the good man down. If some one is applying for this job because they think it is a undercover job and it is kewl, they will not last long. you have to do this job because you believe in the true mission and you understand not just the job but the organizational culture, in order to make it.

Also you highlight scheduling, if they ever get this fixed it would be great... but the job will still remain the same. Jack Bauerish ha ha had to laugh because this was a joke at one of the FO's for awhile because of the ASAC.

All in all it is not a bad job, even most of us who had left the FAM Service and been labeled disgruntled (cared for ourselves and others really) and left, would go back if management got better or a few other commitments get made.

[Bearcat357]

What have you heard about those of us waiting on the Old Announcements (2007 & 2008)...

Will we have to complete the entire process all over with the the new 30,000-50,000 applicants? Or will our packets be on the hiring managers desk for EOD's?

Thanks...

Honestly, no one is for sure....and if they say they are....then they are a liar....

I know when the Gov has stuff like this going on, sometimes they ditch everything and start over....and other times they keep plugging along off of old lists then get to the new ones......and/or do a combonation of that.....

When the new annoucement comes out, I would apply again.....and hope you get pulled from an older list. It may say in the annoucement....it may not say.....

Remember folks, we are talking about the US Gov here.....and a lot of what they do usually doesn't make any sense at all.....

[PigsdoFly]

What have you heard about those of us waiting on the Old Announcements (2007 & 2008)...

Will we have to complete the entire process all over with the the new 30,000-50,000 applicants? Or will our packets be on the hiring managers desk for EOD's?

Thanks...

I honestly can't say what they will do, whether you have to reapply or not, all that can be done is wait for the new announcement and see. Wish I coud tell you more, but at this point noone really knows.

[ten-eight]

It's a Christmas miracle, Bearcat + justdoit must have called a cease fire.

Seriously, thanks for letting this thread get back on point.

[Bearcat357]

It's a Christmas miracle, Bearcat + justdoit must have called a cease fire.

Seriously, thanks for letting this thread get back on point.

He's on ignore.... ;)

[justdoitking]

It's a Christmas miracle, Bearcat + justdoit must have called a cease fire.

Seriously, thanks for letting this thread get back on point.

Sometimes people have to agree to disagree with each other here and move forward. Just like Govt service!

[manstown]

What have you heard about those of us waiting on the Old Announcements (2007 & 2008)...

Will we have to complete the entire process all over with the the new 30,000-50,000 applicants? Or will our packets be on the hiring managers desk for EOD's?

Thanks...

I could have sworn I posted the answer to this just a few hours ago........

[PigsdoFly]

I could have sworn I posted the answer to this just a few hours ago........

I think most questions on here have been answered in the past 200+ pages.

Hows the job going my man?

[AWVet]

This question most likely has been asked already but here it goes........is it commonplace for a FAM to able to earn a masters degree? It would make sense that one could considering the downtime on flights but I guess it would probably be difficult. Does anyone know?

[PigsdoFly]

This question most likely has been asked already but here it goes........is it commonplace for a FAM to able to earn a masters degree? It would make sense that one could considering the downtime on flights but I guess it would probably be difficult. Does anyone know?

Yes, but even easier if you go online. But dont expect them to pay a cent towards it.

[justdoitking]

This question most likely has been asked already but here it goes........is it commonplace for a FAM to able to earn a masters degree? It would make sense that one could considering the downtime on flights but I guess it would probably be difficult. Does anyone know?

I have watched numerous FAMS further their education. The only thing is because of the work schedule, a lot of the course work could not be done via traditional education methods. Although, I also know of a few ATSAICS that have helped FAMS schedule time off for exams as well.

Not sure how they are doing the J band promotions if education is considered, maybe Pigs or one of the current FAMS could chime in. However, I notice other agencies ask for specific degrees in some of their LEO postings, so it could be a benefit if it is for promotional/transfer purposes to look at these things. as the ones I know did some type of Homeland Security track in their degrees.

[PigsdoFly]

I have watched numerous FAMS further their education. The only thing is because of the work schedule, a lot of the course work could not be done via traditional education methods. Although, I also know of a few ATSAICS that have helped FAMS schedule time off for exams as well.

Not sure how they are doing the J band promotions if education is considered, maybe Pigs or one of the current FAMS could chime in. However, I notice other agencies ask for specific degrees in some of their LEO postings, so it could be a benefit if it is for promotional/transfer purposes to look at these things. as the ones I know did some type of Homeland Security track in their degrees.

They say that a Grad Degree helps your J Band score....

[manstown]

Pigs is right about the on-line schooling for this job. I did it while I was with the FAMS and it is very easy to do. I wouldn't bank on the traditional way of going to classes because, yes some may move around the schedule for you to go to class, the mission comes first and most could care less if you have a class to go to. The Masters degree you get doesn't really matter. It's the paper that says you completed the course work that matters. As Pigs said it will help when going for J band positions. At least that's how I understood it.

Pigs,

How are you buddy? Been a little while since I've heard from you. You done with training? The job is going real well. I couldn't have been luckier with the time I came in. How's everyone doing? Do you still keep in touch with any of the squad? Let me know how you're doing.

[AWVet]

Thanks for the input gentlemen

[davidh304]

They apply to them because of the cool sounding name, the cool creds, and what they think is some sort of job that will make them Jack Bauerish.....and they will be out saving the world from evil terrorist on a daily basis or kicking in doors on a daily basis.....


Look Bearcat, I don't need all your "expert advice" on this job.

I watched ALL of Passenger 57, Ok?

That was PRE-JACK BAUER. Remember the movie with Wesley Snipes and the tag line "He's an ex-cop with a bad mouth, a bad attitude, and a bad seat. For the terrorists on flight 163 . . . he's very bad news."

Yeah, that one.










WATCHED ALL OF IT.
















I know as soon as I get hired I'm going to call Chloe...............reposition the satellite...................and find Bin Laden on the Southwest from PHX to LAX. Furthermore I'm going to do it wearing a sharp outfit.

Why you ask?

Simple.

In the cop world you elite status is measured by three main things and cops will do anything to:

1) Get the word "Tactical" used in their job title, unit name, or job description
2) Wear BDU's and a thigh holster as part of their uniform
3) Get a badge big enough to function as Level III Body armor (especially if it's gold..................or silver. Whatever color all the other cops DON'T have. Makes it more elite)

Or Hawaiian shirts. They're pretty high up in the L.E.O. "cool outfit hierarchy." (Give yourself 10 extra cool points if you regularly wear mirrored Oakleys)

But remember boys and girls no matter how cool you are...

how many 5.11 pieces you are wearing...
how big the letters of your Agency are on your Raid shirt...
or how many hidden LED lights you've plastered all over your company car...


Shooting yourself is NEVER, EVER cool.

[Milagro303]

The above is hysterical.

[Bearcat357]

Look Bearcat, I don't need all your "expert advice" on this job.

I watched ALL of Passenger 57, Ok?

That was PRE-JACK BAUER. Remember the movie with Wesley Snipes and the tag line "He's an ex-cop with a bad mouth, a bad attitude, and a bad seat. For the terrorists on flight 163 . . . he's very bad news."

Yeah, that one.










WATCHED ALL OF IT.
















I know as soon as I get hired I'm going to call Chloe...............reposition the satellite...................and find Bin Laden on the Southwest from PHX to LAX. Furthermore I'm going to do it wearing a sharp outfit.

Why you ask?

Simple.

In the cop world you elite status is measured by three main things and cops will do anything to:

1) Get the word "Tactical" used in their job title, unit name, or job description
2) Wear BDU's and a thigh holster as part of their uniform
3) Get a badge big enough to function as Level III Body armor (especially if it's gold..................or silver. Whatever color all the other cops DON'T have. Makes it more elite)

Or Hawaiian shirts. They're pretty high up in the L.E.O. "cool outfit hierarchy." (Give yourself 10 extra cool points if you regularly wear mirrored Oakleys)

But remember boys and girls no matter how cool you are...

how many 5.11 pieces you are wearing...
how big the letters of your Agency are on your Raid shirt...
or how many hidden LED lights you've plastered all over your company car...


Shooting yourself is NEVER, EVER cool.

Smart Azz.... :p

I am going to send my favorite K-9 Officer to go find you....and bitch slap you.... :D

[davidh304]

Happy New Year Bearcat!

[justdoitking]

Posted by a Non FAM just so you do not think or translate that a FAM is posting this and run back to TSA like a RAT.

However, this site has a link To request an invitation to register for the FLEOA FAM Newsletter. http://www.airmarshal.us/

[justdoitking]

I don't know who you think you are justified in calling a RAT. I could understand if someone had you federally indicted for impersonating a federal law enforcement officer, you being upset, but I personally think you should be grateful you haven't been permanently banned as well as reported to whomever you do really work for. so i would suggest you shut your mouth before you are made to face the consequences of your actions.

JB that is just it I have not impersonated a FLEO nor would I do that...... but someone took it upon themselfs to translate that and call the TSA so I just wanted to send that as a clear message. As I am well aware of the TSA directive that prohibits employees from discussing their positons or sharing information on open forums.

Yes I know O.com contacted me.

My apologies if it offended someone.

[Up_On_Base]

Posted by a Non FAM just so you do not think or translate that a FAM is posting this and run back to TSA like a RAT.

However, this site has a link To request an invitation to register for the FLEOA FAM Newsletter. http://www.airmarshal.us/

Dude - Let it go.

If you want to get hired and be a FAM I would stop posting all this stuff on here. You are drawing attention in a negative light to this website.

It's a good place to discuss the hiring process and daily life as a FAM. Pretty soon, anyone who writes on this thread will get passed over...that is my fear.

Please...let it go. As I stated before, we all know every agency has issues. Most of us have previous LE and know what we are getting into, you proved your point...drop it.

This thread has gone downhill bigtime...I am done on here.

[jetset1]

Can we just get some POSITIVE remarks about the job on here?? It's been a long time since we had anyone state that they like this job!

Who the hell cares what those on this site want to post! Let them do so and deal with the result!

INTHEAIR where have you been? Maybe promoted??????????? Anyway, good luck to all who want the job and to those who feel that they need to get off by S***ing on an agency how about the Postal service because I don't get my mail until 4:30pm sometimes!!!:rolleyes:

Good luck all!

[Bearcat357]

Can we just get some POSITIVE remarks about the job on here??

No offense....but the job is what the job is....

You are flying....a lot.....and you aren't kicking in doors and/or arresting folks..... You are flying....and flying....and flying. You have a ton of layovers, short turnarounds, and lots of airport food.....plus a lot of surley Airport folks you have to deal with.....PLUS.....they USSS Mafia that has invested the place.....

That grates on a lot of folks because a lot of them had some vision that they were going to be saving the US like Jack Bauer does on a daily basis and that's not what the deal is with this gig.......

I have 9-10 folks that I know personally out of one field office and for the most part....they like what they are doing.

BUT....they are all working on getting their degrees finished and moving on....as this isn't a job one can do for a career.......

[jetset1]

No offense....but the job is what the job is....

You are flying....a lot.....and you aren't kicking in doors and/or arresting folks..... You are flying....and flying....and flying. You have a ton of layovers, short turnarounds, and lots of airport food.....plus a lot of surley Airport folks you have to deal with.....PLUS.....they USSS Mafia that has invested the place.....

That grates on a lot of folks because a lot of them had some vision that they were going to be saving the US like Jack Bauer does on a daily basis and that's not what the deal is with this gig.......

I have 9-10 folks that I know personally out of one field office and for the most part....they like what they are doing.

BUT....they are all working on getting their degrees finished and moving on....as this isn't a job one can do for a career.......


No, I know it's just that guy seems to have another agenda in regards to FAMS and want's everyone to write congress to complain. This was a great place to get a feel for the position and speak to those in the know. Not a place to find out contact info because they felt they were over looked by the placement board. Maybe this next week is the week for calls or maybe they already went out to people not on this site. Anyway, I guess it's time to get that running back up to par before the PT test again!!

[PigsdoFly]

Maybe this next week is the week for calls or maybe they already went out to people not on this site.

As I stated a few days ago, calls most likely won't be going out until a few before a class starts. Sooooo it looks as if it wont be for a few months, but then again its the "G" so it could be tomorrow.

[GuyinCali]

Praying on the "Call" for EOD's....

[ciel75]

If I applied last year through the AVUEDIGITAL application, will I have to reapply under the new announcement? Or will they be using last year's applicants?

[ayden0526]

If I applied last year through the AVUEDIGITAL application, will I have to reapply under the new announcement? Or will they be using last year's applicants?

I would suggest reading the last 8 to 10 pages of this forum...you will see a lot of questions you might have be answered. There is a lot of imput from other people posted

But I would suggest that if you havent had atleast a phone interivew, to reapply

[manstown]

If I applied last year through the AVUEDIGITAL application, will I have to reapply under the new announcement? Or will they be using last year's applicants?

GOOD LORD!!!!!!!!!

I'll try to explain this yet AGAIN!

When agencies put out announcements before hiring off the old ones they will express whether or not you need to reapply. I said this once and I'll say yet AGAIN! Read the vacancy. If it says you need to reapply, that should be a clue that you need to reapply. If it doesn't you can alway take a chance in doing so or call the number given on the vacancy (good luck though, doubt anyone will answer).

So......anyone want to take bets on how many more posts before this question is asked again?

[Irishhammer]

GOOD LORD!!!!!!!!!

I'll try to explain this yet AGAIN!

When agencies put out announcements before hiring off the old ones they will express whether or not you need to reapply. I said this once and I'll say yet AGAIN! Read the vacancy. If it says you need to reapply, that should be a clue that you need to reapply. If it doesn't you can alway take a chance in doing so or call the number given on the vacancy (good luck though, doubt anyone will answer).

So......anyone want to take bets on how many more posts before this question is asked again?

Dude, settle down. Its a simple question. Don't blame him for not wanting to sift through every page in this thread, especially the last 5 or 6 which had almost nothing productive. Blame the mods for not cleaning the thread up.

[Md094]

If I applied last year through the AVUEDIGITAL application, will I have to reapply under the new announcement? Or will they be using last year's applicants?

I would plan on applying again. I do not see how it would hurt you at all to put your name in the pool again, especially with a new application system being utilized.

Good Luck!

[manstown]

Dude, settle down. Its a simple question. Don't blame him for not wanting to sift through every page in this thread, especially the last 5 or 6 which had almost nothing productive. Blame the mods for not cleaning the thread up.

5 or 6? Try one page. This simple question was asked twice on the past 2 pages. Not to mention a search key. It's a simple function where many of the questions asked over and over can be found with an answer.

[jetset1]

Dude, settle down. Its a simple question. Don't blame him for not wanting to sift through every page in this thread, especially the last 5 or 6 which had almost nothing productive. Blame the mods for not cleaning the thread up.


He's just new! He doesn't know the "Passion" on this thread! Hey Irish tell Bearcat he doesn't know what the heck he's talking about!! (just joking BC)
:D:eek:

[justdoitking]

TSA Statement on AirTran Flight 175
News & Happenings

January 2, 2009

Security is a shared responsibility and this incident highlights the multiple layers of security that are in place in today's aviation environment.

Alert passengers reported what they believed were inappropriate comments, and flight attendants promptly notified the pilot in command. Federal air marshals onboard escorted the individuals in question off the plane at the pilot's request where they were met by local and federal officials to ensure they posed no threat to the flight. After interviewing the individuals, performing a sweep of the aircraft and rescreening all checked and carry-on baggage, the flight departed.
We support the pilot in command in making decisions he or she believes is in the best interest of those onboard the aircraft. TSA counts a vigilant traveling public as an important layer of security and continues to encourage passengers to be alert and report suspicious activity.

[officerdotcomm]

This thread is being closed due to the inordinate number of reported posts and my current inability to confirm what actually is or isn't public information about TSA and the FAM program. If a FAM - who I can confirm via contact to his (or her) supervisor - would be kind enough to call me so that I can get direct and verifiable information about what is or isn't controlled info, then I will reopen the thread.
800-547-7377 *3241

[OfficerDotCom]

Thanks to a gentleman who frequents the forum and IS a F.A.M. and his clarification, this thread is now back open. If you have a disagreement with each other, use the PM feature. That gentleman that called will be keeping a wary eye out on this thread and will let me know if there are issues that need to be dealt with.

Share info. Maintain motivation. Stay Safe!

[Short-Round]

YAY its open again and I can stop stressing out.

Ahem, anyway, have people really received calls asking them if they want a job?

I am waiting here still with my fingers and toes crossed, c'mon FAMS offer me a job, mid JAN is pretty much here!!!!

[LS1]

Already asked this question in the other thread, but:

Are they done filling the March class, or can we expect more calls this month?

[NS1286]

For what it's worth, the woman I talked to at HR last month said calls would be going out through February so don't get discouraged if you don't hear anything this month.

[LS1]

For what it's worth, the woman I talked to at HR last month said calls would be going out through February so don't get discouraged if you don't hear anything this month.

Good to know, thanks!

[Patrio72]

The 2008 announcement processed applicants at what seemed to be a rapid pace. Has anyone heard if this will be the case when the new announcement opens? I know this a "crystal ball question" but just curious.

Patriot72

[Ali G]

The 05 announcement had the same thing going on. They picked people up at record speed.

TSA is supposedly going away or has gone away from AVUE digital services for apps. This may change things or may not. Hopefully, less materials will be lost. However, you never really know if the applicant package losses and slow downs were a result of people at the field offices, HQ, or the contracted company.

I know none of this answers your question, but they went quick in 05 and apparently in 08 as well. Maybe that means they will with the upcoming round.

[Bear1005]

I received the "tentatively selected" e-mail today. It has to do with completing e-qip and getting finger printed. Anyone else get this e-mail today? I already completed the e-qip, and certified it, I have to just get finger printed. I'm not sure when I will know if I am going to get an EOD or not. Anyone know? Shoot me a PM.


Good Luck everyone.

[LS1]

I received the "tentatively selected" e-mail today. It has to do with completing e-qip and getting finger printed. Anyone else get this e-mail today? I already completed the e-qip, and certified it, I have to just get finger printed. I'm not sure when I will know if I am going to get an EOD or not. Anyone know? Shoot me a PM.


Good Luck everyone.

X2. Just received my TS. Thankfully, I've already filled-out one of these new SF-86 things. Saves lots of time.

[LS1]

anyone know how long it normally takes to get the security clearance required to get an eod?

If you're already a government employee with some kind of clearance/SSBI, you should be all set. Otherwise, it could be anywhere from 2 weeks to a 6 months for an interim clearance.

[justdoitking]

I just received an email from military.com highlighting the need to be physically fit for the academy. As they provided a few tips, keep in mind your fitness may be the difference between you and another getting hired or not getting hired as a FAM.

http://www.military.com/military-fitness/law-enforcement-training/police-academy-training?ESRC=careers-b.nl

[justdoitking]

Your local FO contact is right, do not contact HQ about the hiring. It is still somewhat of a mess right now. There is ALOT of things going on in the agency (shake ups). Just wait for the new announcement and follow its directions

Pigs

Any idea of when the new announcement will be released?

[slami]

Pigs

Any idea of when the new announcement will be released?

Here is the email I received from FAMS a few days ago in response to my same inquiry:

The Federal Air Marshal Service is actively preparing to open a new vacancy announcement for Federal Air Marshals on January 15, 2009. The FAMS vacancy announcements will continue to be posted on the www.USAjobs.opm.gov website and applicants can apply via a posted link to the appropriate FAMS vendor. You may search for Federal Air Marshal Service positions at this website and submit your application for this announcement during this time frame.

[paul354]

Here is the email I received from FAMS a few days ago in response to my same inquiry:

The Federal Air Marshal Service is actively preparing to open a new vacancy announcement for Federal Air Marshals on January 15, 2009. The FAMS vacancy announcements will continue to be posted on the www.USAjobs.opm.gov website and applicants can apply via a posted link to the appropriate FAMS vendor. You may search for Federal Air Marshal Service positions at this website and submit your application for this announcement during this time frame.

Yes, I also got the same e-mail...now just gotta play the waiting game till it's posted online.

[paul354]

I received the "tentatively selected" e-mail today. It has to do with completing e-qip and getting finger printed. Anyone else get this e-mail today? I already completed the e-qip, and certified it, I have to just get finger printed. I'm not sure when I will know if I am going to get an EOD or not. Anyone know? Shoot me a PM.


Good Luck everyone.

Congratz...From which announcement is this? The one that expired in August 2008?

[Bear1005]

Congratz...From which announcement is this? The one that expired in August 2008?

Thanks. It is from the August one, but I applied originally in March 08. I finished everything, now I am waiting on the call.

Good Luck

[DEENIKE]

I would advise all if the new post ever appears for the job to apply for it. I know many who applied for the seconed time on the '08 application and it appears they got hired.

[justdoitking]

Maybe they realized they could save a lot of money by not putting out a new announcement and hire from the old one that people have completed portions or in some cases all of the process. As everyone seemed to think it was going to be released and still no announcement and the clubs are shutting their doors as the 15th has come and gone.

[ayden0526]

That would make too much sense...so Im expecting the Fed G to open up another one

[NS1286]

Thanks. It is from the August one, but I applied originally in March 08. I finished everything, now I am waiting on the call.

Good Luck

Same with me. I had to fill out the SF-86 and all the releases but I already had one done so that made it a little easier.

[paul354]

That would make too much sense...so Im expecting the Fed G to open up another one

I hope...

[rbakous1]

I hope...

Can anyone tell me if a DHS SSBI will transfer for this position?

[audi0xpl0de]

The new announcement is now up.

[Bearcat357]

They are only hiring for: Atlanta, GA, Chicago Metro area, IL, Newark, NJ, Washington DC Metro Area, New York City, NY, and Los Angeles County, CA ......

And here's a link to one of the annoucements....as I am sure as I am sitting here someone won't be able to find it.... :rolleyes:

http://jobsearch.usajobs.gov/getjob.asp?JobID=78710338&AVSDM=2009%2D01%2D16+16%3A08%3A43&Logo=0&pg=4&jbf522=1801&FedEmp=Y&tm=1d&sort=dt&vw=d&ss=0&brd=3876&FedPub=Y&caller=/series_search.asp

Oh....and thus far, they are all "Public Annoucements." There are no Status Annoucements out as of yet....who knows....there might not be any this time around....

Good Luck...

[cart pusher]

1. Is anyone having trouble applying? I seem to go in circles. Even if I log in on USAJobs it sends me back and forth between TSA and USAJobs.

2. If you want to apply for all cities, do you have to do all announcements or can you add all of them to one to make it more convienient?

[paul354]

1. Is anyone having trouble applying? I seem to go in circles. Even if I log in on USAJobs it sends me back and forth between TSA and USAJobs.

2. If you want to apply for all cities, do you have to do all announcements or can you add all of them to one to make it more convienient?


Phew, I'm not the only one having problems then! -- I just got off the phone with the TSA Jobs help desk (the 800# on the bottom of the site). They don't have any tech logs on it.

My guess would be there is a glitch somewhere in their web scripting.

Regards to your second question...I guess we won't know that until we're able to see the application, but I would imagine that you can list all the cities you are interested in as the Job Announcement # is the same for all.

Good Luck, keep monitoring the website (like I am right now). Good Luck to All once again.

[Bearcat357]

I would suspect some of the issue is that there are probably 1000s of folks trying to apply at the same time and it's jammed up the system......

Once again, the US Gov not being prepaired..... :rolleyes:

I would suggest waiting till later tonight......or give it a day or so....and try again...

[cart pusher]

I just got off the Phone with TSA help desk (877 872 7990). They are aware of a looping problem. They are not sure when it will be fixed. Just be patient.

Also, she told me that in the near future, there will be a "personal dashboard" to see what your application process is. That would be a big help for all that know the frustration of no communication from previous announcements

[Patrio72]

Be patient and just begin drafting responses to the 51 questions. Then, when TSA resolves the login problem, you are ready to roll!

Patriot72

[keith snelgrove]

if one applied for the federal air marshal position in aug 08 is that application still going to be used for the new announcement that's open now 1/09

[Bear1005]

They are only hiring for: Atlanta, GA, Chicago Metro area, IL, Newark, NJ, Washington DC Metro Area, New York City, NY, and Los Angeles County, CA ......

And here's a link to one of the annoucements....as I am sure as I am sitting here someone won't be able to find it.... :rolleyes:

http://jobsearch.usajobs.gov/getjob.asp?JobID=78710338&AVSDM=2009%2D01%2D16+16%3A08%3A43&Logo=0&pg=4&jbf522=1801&FedEmp=Y&tm=1d&sort=dt&vw=d&ss=0&brd=3876&FedPub=Y&caller=/series_search.asp

Oh....and thus far, they are all "Public Annoucements." There are no Status Annoucements out as of yet....who knows....there might not be any this time around....

Good Luck...


Thanks BearCat and you should go back to ♣ slackers!!

[Bearcat357]

if one applied for the federal air marshal position in aug 08 is that application still going to be used for the new announcement that's open now 1/09

A. The are separate announcements....

B. Who knows......

I would apply.....but that's just me...

[paul354]

They technical error appears to be fixed...I'm off to start my application

[audi0xpl0de]

I got through the application fine but it wouldn't allow me to upload attachments at all. By the way you can apply to all the vacancy locations at the same time.

[Up_On_Base]

By the way you can apply to all the vacancy locations at the same time.

That is a good idea, but don't be ******ed when they offer LA and you want NYC.

I also noticed this announcement is G band 38-60K, unless you have extensive experience I would plan to come in low G before locality/leap.

[Bearcat357]

That is a good idea, but don't be ******ed when they offer LA and you want NYC.

And don't be ****ed when you apply for all of them....they offer you LA....you live in NYC....and have to fly to LA to process.....

[miked6]

That is a good idea, but don't be ******ed when they offer LA and you want NYC.

I also noticed this announcement is G band 38-60K, unless you have extensive experience I would plan to come in low G before locality/leap.

How is pay determined within the G band? Anyone have any idea what a Masters and 8 years of LE (Patrol & Investigations) might fetch? I can't find any info, other than the range.

[ten-eight]

Happy to see the announcement, dissapointeed to see it is a limited location announcement. Anyone in the know heard anything about other location announcements?

[Short-Round]

Man those locations suck!!!!!

WTF?!

[cpdsullivan117]

so wtf is the deal here? do those of us who completed everything from last vacany posting have to reapply and start all over?

[Ali G]

How is pay determined within the G band? Anyone have any idea what a Masters and 8 years of LE (Patrol & Investigations) might fetch? I can't find any info, other than the range.

Miked6,

Honestly, that background seems about average these days for a new hire air marshal. When you take the panel interview, they will rate you. If you are rated in the top tier, they might throw a bit more money at you, but expect to be offered bottom of the G. Now, you can always bargain with them. I did not know that when I came on. There are two things to consider. 1. They have a gillion applicants. 2. You should have a couple aces up your sleeve when it comes to convincing them to give you more.

Also, even if they do offer you middle G, by they time you hit I Band, you will still be almost exactly where you would be if they offered you low G.

If you come it at the bottom of a pay band, you go to the bottom of the next pay band. But, say you come in middle G, you will only get an 8% raise. Then, you will get another 8% raise. Does that make sense?

[justdoitking]

Make sure you read the announcement if you are betting on moving to I band, past practice may not be a good indicator. This is the first time they solely listed the position as a G band.

"The highest pay band of a non-supervisory Federal Air Marshal is SV-
1801-I. However, applicants will be hired only at the G Band level
under this vacancy announcement. Movement to a higher level will
depend on the employee's ability to do more complex, higher level
work; there is NO guarantee of promotion."

[PigsdoFly]

so wtf is the deal here? do those of us who completed everything from last vacany posting have to reapply and start all over?

I would reapply again to be on the safe side.

[PigsdoFly]

Man those locations suck!!!!!

WTF?!

Just be happy we are hiring again. Some FAMS would kill to go to ATL and a rookie can go there right off the bat. Atleast you will know where you are going when you get hired and not just thrown around.

[Up_On_Base]

Also, even if they do offer you middle G, by they time you hit I Band, you will still be almost exactly where you would be if they offered you low G.

If you come it at the bottom of a pay band, you go to the bottom of the next pay band. But, say you come in middle G, you will only get an 8% raise. Then, you will get another 8% raise. Does that make sense?

So you are saying, come in lower G then next year you get high H?

And, if you come in mid G then next year you are mid H?

Personally, I would prefer a higher base in year one. Atleast in year two you are flying w/ more overnights and internationals. A big part of year one you are training and learning the ropes.

[PigsdoFly]

So you are saying, come in lower G then next year you get high H?

And, if you come in mid G then next year you are mid H?

Personally, I would prefer a higher base in year one. Atleast in year two you are flying w/ more overnights and internationals. A big part of year one you are training and learning the ropes.

It looks like this.....

Low G goes to Low H after one year, then onto low I. Mid G goes to low H after a year because you get a raise to the next pay scale, then it raises to a mid I after your second year. Its weird how it works but when you are maxed out at the I band you will be at whatever level (low, mid, high) you started out with. For some unknown reason the H band is weird. Atleast thats how it worked for me.

[Up_On_Base]

It looks like this.....

Low G goes to Low H after one year, then onto low I. Mid G goes to low H after a year because you get a raise to the next pay scale, then it raises to a mid I after your second year. Its weird how it works but when you are maxed out at the I band you will be at whatever level (low, mid, high) you started out with. For some unknown reason the H band is weird. Atleast thats how it worked for me.

Ok...so its very important to get the most you can in the G starting off. Even though H band is wierd, when you get to I band it will be based off where you start in G...correct?

Then once in I band, you "compete" for additional bumps in pay and you also get you COLA.

The way I see it, in the long run its a good job and good pay. But that doesn't mean you should not try to get best base available. I would advise to tread lightly, there is a line of people behind you willing to take any pay. I think if you are respectful and state why you want/deserve better pay you will be OK.

[miked6]

Miked6,

Honestly, that background seems about average these days for a new hire air marshal. When you take the panel interview, they will rate you. If you are rated in the top tier, they might throw a bit more money at you, but expect to be offered bottom of the G. Now, you can always bargain with them. I did not know that when I came on. There are two things to consider. 1. They have a gillion applicants. 2. You should have a couple aces up your sleeve when it comes to convincing them to give you more.

Also, even if they do offer you middle G, by they time you hit I Band, you will still be almost exactly where you would be if they offered you low G.

If you come it at the bottom of a pay band, you go to the bottom of the next pay band. But, say you come in middle G, you will only get an 8% raise. Then, you will get another 8% raise. Does that make sense?


Thanks for the info.

[ayden0526]

I take it that we cant upload our own resume this time? The one that USA jobs lays out looks like crap!

[rbakous1]

I take it that we cant upload our own resume this time? The one that USA jobs lays out looks like crap!

You won't be able to upload anything at this time. I just completed the application and wasn't able to. I'm just going to fax it over. Good Luck:cool:

[Ali G]

It looks like this.....

Low G goes to Low H after one year, then onto low I. Mid G goes to low H after a year because you get a raise to the next pay scale, then it raises to a mid I after your second year. Its weird how it works but when you are maxed out at the I band you will be at whatever level (low, mid, high) you started out with. For some unknown reason the H band is weird. Atleast thats how it worked for me.

Actually, in situation when you start at mid G, once you get to I-Band, you will only be a few hundred dollars above the bottom of the I-Band. Calling it mid I may be a bit misleading. I came in Middle G and as of now I am only a couple hundred above my classmates who came on low G.

Then you are stuck there. For the rest of your career. LOL

[PigsdoFly]

Actually, in situation when you start at mid G, once you get to I-Band, you will only be a few hundred dollars above the bottom of the I-Band. Calling it mid I may be a bit misleading. I came in Middle G and as of now I am only a couple hundred above my classmates who came on low G.

Then you are stuck there. For the rest of your career. LOL

Not if you get all those IPIs or make J band.....:D

[PigsdoFly]

Then once in I band, you "compete" for additional bumps in pay and you also get you COLA.

Good luck.....:D

there is a line of people behind you willing to take any pay.

Yup so HR will tell you to pound sand and they will move on to the next person.

[Short-Round]

Yeah, so still doesn't change the fact that those places suck.

[Up_On_Base]

Yeah, so still doesn't change the fact that those places suck.

I think all those areas are awesome, I lived in NYC, NJ, DC, and about a 40 mins south of LA.

The only major issue is cost of living, but if you are a single guy or married w/o kids...let the good times roll.

IMO, nothing is better than NYC metro area. Great bars/women/food.

Also, most of the new blood will be going to the major offices. Gotta pay your dues before they let you go to a lower cost of living area field office.

[cpdsullivan117]

I think all those areas are awesome, I lived in NYC, NJ, DC, and about a 40 mins south of LA.

The only major issue is cost of living, but if you are a single guy or married w/o kids...let the good times roll.

IMO, nothing is better than NYC metro area. Great bars/women/food.

Also, most of the new blood will be going to the major offices. Gotta pay your dues before they let you go to a lower cost of living area field office.



IMO, all those places suck except for atlanta, and paying your dues is a sucker's game.

[Ali G]

Make sure you read the announcement if you are betting on moving to I band, past practice may not be a good indicator. This is the first time they solely listed the position as a G band.

"The highest pay band of a non-supervisory Federal Air Marshal is SV-
1801-I. However, applicants will be hired only at the G Band level
under this vacancy announcement. Movement to a higher level will
depend on the employee's ability to do more complex, higher level
work; there is NO guarantee of promotion."



C'mon now, don't fill their heads with worries. They can expect to go to H and I.

It should take 1 year to go from G to H. Then another year to go from H to I. They say that it isn't automatic, but everyone progresses that way.

I have only seen it happen differently for two reasons:

1. If you keep messing up, your supervisor may keep you from going to the next band on schedule.

2. I knew one guy who's supervisor actually forgot to put in the paperwork, and that guy got promoted two weeks late.

I have only seen that happen to a couple people though.

[Thor1911]

I can not upload my documents either directly from my computer or the USAJOBS website. Anyone else having those issues? :mad:

I was hoping to have finished the application so I can inform my recruiter Tuesday.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

Sorry guys, been out of town and dealing with crap at home.

THE JOB IS OPEN NOW!!!!!!!!! ONLY OPEN FOR 30 DAYS SO GET YOUR APLICATIONS IN NOW!

Check USAJOBS.opm.gov

Only a few offices looking to hire.

Only hirring at the G band so forget about comming in at a higher pay grade.


GOOD LUCK !!!!!!!!!!

[justdoitking]

Let me tell you if you are single, other single FAMS have shared accommodation to make it affordable and enjoyable. If you are married most FAMS wait and settle in before moving their family, as they get into the office learn the area and speak to others for some guidance as they do their own research.

DC would be my choice out of all those offices. A hundred miles from DC as the crow flies can put you into some nice living arrangements and at a reasonable cost. Plus plenty of jobs for the wife and great colleges for the children. Plus look at the setup and everything for TSA/DHS etc, is near by for opportunities.

[Up_On_Base]

DC would be my choice out of all those offices. A hundred miles from DC as the crow flies can put you into some nice living arrangements and at a reasonable cost. .

100 miles in DC area = 3hr commute each way

[manstown]

It could even be further than that. I live 50 miles from DC, same place I lived working with the FAMS, and it could take 2 1/2 hours just to get to my house now. Now if you have an office day, from my house which was about 70 miles, it would easily take 3 hours from the time you left the office. The highways around the DC area are ridiculous.

As for the locations, if you want the job bad enough, leave your options open. The more willing you're about taking any of these places, the better chance you have at the job. You have to remember, the needs of the agency come before yours........according to them at least. But if you have a family to think about, they come first.

[justdoitking]

100 miles in DC area = 3hr commute each way

15/267/28 use to get a good run into the office and out of the Office/Dulles

[Bear1005]

A few of my friends are having trouble applying for the job, anyone else have a problem? They keep getting an error message. I'm not sure what's going on. Maybe to many people applied.

Any help?

[audi0xpl0de]

They should be able to login now and apply. Initially there were issues. You still cannot upload documents at this time until they correct the error.

[Bearcat357]

100 miles in DC area = 3hr commute each way

If you're lucky.....

Then wait till fuel goes back up to 4 bucks a gallon....

Better to live in the DC/MD/NVA area than out in the freaking boonies.....just my opinion.....

[Bear1005]

They should be able to login now and apply. Initially there were issues. You still cannot upload documents at this time until they correct the error.

I just had them try their log in on my computer and after you try to submit the resume, and error appears on the screen saying that the process did not go through. This what the error looks like:

HTTP Status 500 -

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

type Exception report

message

description The server encountered an internal error () that prevented it from fulfilling this request.

exception

java.lang.NullPointerException


note The full stack trace of the root cause is available in the Apache Tomcat/5.5.23 logs.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Apache Tomcat/5.5.23

[audi0xpl0de]

You cannot upload a resume at this time. You should be able to submit your USAJobs resume when you initially click on the "Apply now" button.

[Bear1005]

You cannot upload a resume at this time. You should be able to submit your USAJobs resume when you initially click on the "Apply now" button.

The submit resume is causing that error.

[TheKansan]

I just applied for the job today and had no problems uploading my resume. As for my OF-306, and transcripts, I faxed them. I did not receive an email confirmation that my faxes arrived, so I am a bit worried. How long should it take to recieve the email confirmation? When I applied at ATF last month, it was pretty quick.

[audi0xpl0de]

I'm doing to take a wild guess and say they aren't working today so after they are taken out of the fax machine and scanned you will probably receive your email confirmation.

[rbakous1]

I just applied for the job today and had no problems uploading my resume. As for my OF-306, and transcripts, I faxed them. I did not receive an email confirmation that my faxes arrived, so I am a bit worried. How long should it take to recieve the email confirmation? When I applied at ATF last month, it was pretty quick.

Same thing here. If you don't get them by tomorrow then I'll call or e-mail someone. That's what I'm going to do.

[LochRaven]

I tried looking through the past few pages, and using the search, but could not come up with solid information.

Whats the deal with the new PT test? Is it a standard, you must do this many situps, pushups, etc. or is there another way of operation. If its the former, what are the requirements.