Air Marshal Job Open !

[LS1]

You get an offer or request for more info?

I am also hearing spring 09

Not a firm offer, they just want my info from my employer. I figure it's one of many steps closer towards a firm offer.

[Time4newjob]

A little quiet in here? Usually a good thing, is a surprise around the corner?

[Tac]

man, I hope so.....

[Up_On_Base]

I think they have a ton of people done with the process, just waiting for funding and training spots.to work out.

I think calls will start going out this month/Nov for 09 classes. It's not uncommon for a new hire to sit in a FO for a few months before training.

[flatrooper]

I applied last Feb, 2008 and have not even had my initial phone interview.....and I've got a bachelor degree and 10 years of LEO experience....Do I even have a chance from this last announcement????:confused:

[Up_On_Base]

I applied last Feb, 2008 and have not even had my initial phone interview.....and I've got a bachelor degree and 10 years of LEO experience....Do I even have a chance from this last announcement????:confused:

You are more than qualified, what FO's did you list...that could be the problem if you didn't list the big ones...ewr/jfk/lga/etc...

[flatrooper]

I put in for all locations..........but no response........

[Epicfire13]

Does anyone know which year's list the FAMS are currently hiring off of? I applied in June, 2007 and have yet to hear anything. Do they start a new list each time they post a hiring announcement?

Also, does anyone know if once you are hired, complete the training, and start working out of your FO, if they will work around your Master's degree class schedule (i.e. class on Wednesday nights for two semesters?).

I appreciate any information anyone may have. Thank you! :)

[Up_On_Base]

Does anyone know which year's list the FAMS are currently hiring off of? I applied in June, 2007 and have yet to hear anything. Do they start a new list each time they post a hiring announcement?

Also, does anyone know if once you are hired, complete the training, and start working out of your FO, if they will work around your Master's degree class schedule (i.e. class on Wednesday nights for two semesters?).

I appreciate any information anyone may have. Thank you! :)

You needed to re-apply for the last announcement (winter 08) that just closed, you should have got an email.

I would not plan having them work around your schedule. There are a ton of former USSS people there, I know from my time w/ the Service, they only care about the mission, not your schedule/preferences.

Good luck moving forward.

[LS1]

Does anyone know which year's list the FAMS are currently hiring off of? I applied in June, 2007 and have yet to hear anything. Do they start a new list each time they post a hiring announcement?

When I went through the process at the field office, there was one guy there who was interviewing for the third time since 2005. He had to re-apply each time for each announcement.

Also, does anyone know if once you are hired, complete the training, and start working out of your FO, if they will work around your Master's degree class schedule (i.e. class on Wednesday nights for two semesters?).

:D NO.

[Epicfire13]

Thanks to both of you, that helps me out a lot! Guess I'll need to be patient and finish my degree before pursuing anything further.

[Bearcat357]

Also, does anyone know if once you are hired, complete the training, and start working out of your FO, if they will work around your Master's degree class schedule (i.e. class on Wednesday nights for two semesters?).

As stated, they will not work around your schedule...

All the guys/gals I know that work for the FAMS and are doing the school thing......are doing it online.....

[Up_On_Base]

Winter 08? you mean the one in january i'm guessing?

Yes

[PigsdoFly]

Also, does anyone know if once you are hired, complete the training, and start working out of your FO, if they will work around your Master's degree class schedule (i.e. class on Wednesday nights for two semesters?).

I appreciate any information anyone may have. Thank you! :)

Some offices will work with you, mine did.

[ten-eight]

I was on Avue's site today and it said they are no longer recruiting for fams, does anyone know if another company or usajobs is taking over application process?

[Bearcat357]

Some offices will work with you, mine did.

Yours must be the only one....as the 4-5 Offices that I know folks in don't give two craps abou them and their continuing education........

All the FAMS I know are working with online programs through their various colleges/university to get through degree programs.....

[flatrooper]

Do think they will use the same applications from Avnue??????

[MvExplorer]

any idea what the new system entails? Will those of us who have applications through avue have to completely re-do it?

Also, this is question is directed towards fams or people who are familiar with the process. I applied back in May on the old announcement and am still waiting for the initial phone interview. Do I have any hope of getting a call and moving on in the process?

Thanks guys. Im just sitting here at the gate waiting to fly to another interview. Wish I was sitting here as an air marshal. that would make life a lot more fun...well...kinda?

[Tac]

heard from a guy whose neighbor has a best friend whose brother went to school with a girl whose uncle heard from a co-worker that FAMS is looking for about 350 new hires for next year....:confused:

[INTHEAIRCOP]

Just read an e-mail form the Director that we got 14 million dollars for new hires for 09. So I take it we will be calling new hires soon. We sure need them! We have lost about 50 percent of my office over the years and they only gave us 10 new hires.

I suggest you all reapply when the new apllication comes out. I would not trust avue. I am a bit drunk so excuse the spelling and it is nice to see the forum I started is still strong.

[LS1]

Awesome. I noticed that after looking at the budget, but I wasn't aware it was for new hires. Thanks for the notice, AIRCOP.

[MvExplorer]

any word on what the new system is/ who it is through/ what we need to do?

i would be kinda ****ed if i had to redo that whole thing, but hey, if it gets me closer to being hired, ill do anything at this point...

[Thor1911]

Hopefully, you will still be able to find the new listings with TSA and usajobs.gov.

FY09, does that mean Fiscal Year 2009 and did that start in October?

I would love to get that 703 call and get started.

[Thor1911]

Can someone who is currently FAM, give us an updated pay scale for the position. Hopefully, there is some increase in the bands for 2009.

[Up_On_Base]

Why all the turnover InTheAir?

[gonefishin]

Can someone who is currently FAM, give us an updated pay scale for the position. Hopefully, there is some increase in the bands for 2009.

Here are the 2008 scales....unsure if they have decided on increases for 2009 but its usually something like 2-3 % added to the base and another 1.5 - 2.5 % added to locality. Remember these are base pays. You have to add your locality and LEAP (25 %) to get an actual base. Then add on any night differential, Sunday pay and overtime.

http://www.tsa.gov/join/careers/pay_scales.shtm

[Time4newjob]

Here are the 2008 scales....unsure if they have decided on increases for 2009 but its usually something like 2-3 % added to the base and another 1.5 - 2.5 % added to locality. Remember these are base pays. You have to add your locality and LEAP (25 %) to get an actual base. Then add on any night differential, Sunday pay and overtime.

http://www.tsa.gov/join/careers/pay_scales.shtm

FAMS get night dif and sunday pay? I was unaware of this, if so how much? Thanks

[gonefishin]

FAMS get night dif and sunday pay? I was unaware of this, if so how much? Thanks
Pretty sure it depends on your current payband (the higher it is the more you get) but its roughly 2.00 - 3.40 per hour for ND and 5.00 - 8.50 per hour for Sunday pay

[gonefishin]

FAMS get night dif and sunday pay? I was unaware of this, if so how much? Thanks
So, to figure your base pay lets say since you are in NJ you go to Newark. The locality for Newark in 2008 is 26.36%. If you get hired at base G (37,683 in 2008) multiply that by the locality 37,683 X 26.36% = 9933.24. Then add the locality to the base G pay 37,683 + 9933.24 = 47,616.24. Take that number and multiply it by 25% (LEAP) 47,616.24 X 25% = 11,904.06. Add that number to 47,616.24. Thats 59,520.30. Thats the absolute minimum you will earn in a full year as a G band.

[LS1]

FAMS get night dif and sunday pay? I was unaware of this, if so how much? Thanks

If their system is similar to the one I'm under, they get 10% for hours worked between 1800-0600, 25% for Sunday, 35% for Sunday between the hours of 1800-0600. It definitely adds-up over the year.

[PigsdoFly]

Why all the turnover InTheAir?

FLY, FLY, FLY, FLY, FLY, FLY, FLY

[manstown]

So, to figure your base pay lets say since you are in NJ you go to Newark. The locality for Newark in 2008 is 26.36%. If you get hired at base G (37,683 in 2008) multiply that by the locality 37,683 X 26.36% = 9933.24. Then add the locality to the base G pay 37,683 + 9933.24 = 47,616.24. Take that number and multiply it by 25% (LEAP) 47,616.24 X 25% = 11,904.06. Add that number to 47,616.24. Thats 59,520.30. Thats the absolute minimum you will earn in a full year as a G band.

Almost correct. Instead of adding the 25% for LEAP to the total of locality and base, you add the 25% LEAP to just the base. Something like this.....
37,683 x 26.36 = 9933.24
37,683 x .25 = 9420.75
37,683 + 9420.75 + 9933.24=57,036.99
Still a good salary. But the stupidity of the agency......priceless.

[gonefishin]

Almost correct. Instead of adding the 25% for LEAP to the total of locality and base, you add the 25% LEAP to just the base. Something like this.....
37,683 x 26.36 = 9933.24
37,683 x .25 = 9420.75
37,683 + 9420.75 + 9933.24=57,036.99
Still a good salary. But the stupidity of the agency......priceless.

My error...you are right...I was trying to give myself more money,,,,don't tell the G.:eek:

[LS1]

From what I am told, it's:

Base + Locality X LEAP = Salary.

[Chiller]

Why all the turnover InTheAir?


Sick..Sick...Sick

Bored Bored Bored

[Bearcat357]

FLY, FLY, FLY, FLY, FLY, FLY, FLY

Amen....

I know over 20 FAMs....and they are all working on their degrees and ALL are working on ways to get the hell out of there......

Money is good....but time away from family sucks azz....Admin BS sucks mega azz....and most are just tired of it all......and are doing what they can to get the hell out of there......

Some of you all may thing this is the greatest job in the world....but it's not....

Nothing like picking your buddy up at the Airport and he/she is exhusted from flying 80 hours the past week and doesn't want to do crap with you......having to listen to them about the wife/husband bitch that they aren't home.....and listen to them about what a jacked up Admin they have.....

[manstown]

From what I am told, it's:

Base + Locality X LEAP = Salary.

Well then the FAMS owe me some money!!!! Trust me...the way I wrote it out is the way it's done. They even break it down for you when they send you a congrats letter with the salary on it.

And for you guys waiting take heed to what Bearcat says. The way he describes it is only the beginning of FAM problems. I can say many things about FAMS since leaving, but the one thing I will say now is that my body thanks me for getting out of there. Oh yeah.....my mind thanks me as well. Some of the dumbest people running that show. (Guess I had more to say then that one thing)!

[PigsdoFly]

Amen....

I know over 20 FAMs....and they are all working on their degrees and ALL are working on ways to get the hell out of there......

Money is good....but time away from family sucks azz....Admin BS sucks mega azz....and most are just tired of it all......and are doing what they can to get the hell out of there......

Some of you all may thing this is the greatest job in the world....but it's not....

Nothing like picking your buddy up at the Airport and he/she is exhusted from flying 80 hours the past week and doesn't want to do crap with you......having to listen to them about the wife/husband bitch that they aren't home.....and listen to them about what a jacked up Admin they have.....

HAHA.... ding ding

[PigsdoFly]

Ok so here is an update about hiring....

I cannot disclose the new company who will be doing the hiring, but I was told that if you aren't called by the time they take it over...... you will most likely have to reapply.

[luv2spind]

Ok so here is an update about hiring....

I cannot disclose the new company who will be doing the hiring, but I was told that if you aren't called by the time they take it over...... you will most likely have to reapply.

Hey what office are you in?

[PigsdoFly]

now i can go back to having that sick feeling in my stomach waiting to find out what my future holds for me.

any idea on the time frame for them to take it over, as in days, weeks, or months?

Nothing was said on a time frame, you know how the G is.

[Patrio72]

I logged into Avue today and noticed that the link to my COE is gone. It was next to "Avue Communications"

Ugh...

Patriot72

[emerlad]

The beating on your body must be tough, but.....
Close to 100k to fly fly fly, you guys have no idea.

I have worked my whole career with crappy families and kids, god you have no idea.
No voicemail, families, courts, co-workers, reports, mounds of paperwork, ect...
Barring the beating on your body, this job is a dream, if I can get it..

[Bearcat357]

The beating on your body must be tough, but.....
Close to 100k to fly fly fly, you guys have no idea.

I have worked my whole career with crappy families and kids, god you have no idea.
No voicemail, families, courts, co-workers, reports, mounds of paperwork, ect...
Barring the beating on your body, this job is a dream, if I can get it..

Err....hate to tell you BUT....

You will get voicemails/emails all the time from your supervisors.....

You will have supervisors checking up on you when you are wandering through the Airport. Luckily, they aren't looking at how you dress any more....but that could change with a new Director (which one can only suspect will be part of the USSS Mafia)....

You have a lot of paperwork to do ......

Your days off that you value may turn into training days.....hence even less time with your family.....

You are going to be away from your family A LOT....which means lots of Emails/IMs/and lap top stuff with cameras if you wish to stay in touch with them....

You will be bored out of your skull 99.9% of the time....

Your body will ache from sitting at airports....and sitting on airplanes for hours upon hours......

Your body will ache from being around folks that are sick....and you not having a chance to rest up....making you feel like crap every single day....for weeks on end....

Your gut will ache from eating nasty airport foods.....as that's all you will be able to take in at times because you are busting azz across the airport trying to make your next flight......

When you do land and have some free time at your final destination for the day.....it could be 11AM in the morning or 11PM at night.....so what you can/can't do is limited..... Which kills a lot of folks thoughts of traveling the world and seeing things......

Most folks think this job is some dream job of keeping the US safe and killing terrorists......and it's not. There have only been a few handfull of incidents that FAMs have got involved with. Most are drunks that are jacking with the flight crews.....and the one crazy dude in FLA that got popped for being a idiot and not listening to their commands......

Just saying.....

[Up_On_Base]

Ok so here is an update about hiring....

I cannot disclose the new company who will be doing the hiring, but I was told that if you aren't called by the time they take it over...... you will most likely have to reapply.

Wouldn't that be a huge waste of money for people already processed except for full medical?

Oh wait...it's the G:)

[LS1]

Wouldn't that be a huge waste of money for people already processed except for full medical?

Oh wait...it's the G:)

Shhh! You're giving them ideas! :eek:

[MassVet]

Haven't posted in a year. Got hired last year and have been doing it for a year. (i'm sure someone is going to say ohhh you are too new to know) well the job doesn't change much and the most senior guys in this have 6 years on me. Thats not much. My body doesn't ache because I work out and stay fit, I have days off and training days, I have days to take care of paperwork, I make money. My brain is not dead because I have a free chance to get my degree. Or do research about how to invest my per diem. How can you bitch about flying when you took the job Federal AIR Marshal? You can't.

Guys that bitch:
Don't workout or are fat as hell
Do eat the nasty airport food rather than bringing their own food.
Have crap family situations anyway because they chose to live 2+ hours from the office because it is "cheaper"
Have crap family situations because their wives for some REASON don't work. That is absurd anyway.
Complain about training days because they half asz everything trying to get out early.
Dress like utter morons on fly days because they have no idea how to dress like a normal person despite seeing them every day in airports.

Not really going to keep up to date, just wanted to throw an opinion out there of a recent hire whos been flying.

[LS1]

Thanks for the info, MassVet. I'm hoping for the Beantown office, myself. I hope there's room...:D

[Bearcat357]

Haven't posted in a year. Got hired last year and have been doing it for a year. (i'm sure someone is going to say ohhh you are too new to know) well the job doesn't change much and the most senior guys in this have 6 years on me. Thats not much. My body doesn't ache because I work out and stay fit, I have days off and training days, I have days to take care of paperwork, I make money. My brain is not dead because I have a free chance to get my degree. Or do research about how to invest my per diem. How can you bitch about flying when you took the job Federal AIR Marshal? You can't.

Guys that bitch:
Don't workout or are fat as hell
Do eat the nasty airport food rather than bringing their own food.
Have crap family situations anyway because they chose to live 2+ hours from the office because it is "cheaper"
Have crap family situations because their wives for some REASON don't work. That is absurd anyway.
Complain about training days because they half asz everything trying to get out early.
Dress like utter morons on fly days because they have no idea how to dress like a normal person despite seeing them every day in airports.

Not really going to keep up to date, just wanted to throw an opinion out there of a recent hire whos been flying.

Come back in about 4-5 years and let us know how you are doing .....

Just saying because all the folks I know were like you their first couple of years.....and then it started going downhill........

[manstown]

Haven't posted in a year. Got hired last year and have been doing it for a year. (i'm sure someone is going to say ohhh you are too new to know) well the job doesn't change much and the most senior guys in this have 6 years on me. Thats not much. My body doesn't ache because I work out and stay fit, I have days off and training days, I have days to take care of paperwork, I make money. My brain is not dead because I have a free chance to get my degree. Or do research about how to invest my per diem. How can you bitch about flying when you took the job Federal AIR Marshal? You can't.

Guys that bitch:
Don't workout or are fat as hell
Do eat the nasty airport food rather than bringing their own food.
Have crap family situations anyway because they chose to live 2+ hours from the office because it is "cheaper"
Have crap family situations because their wives for some REASON don't work. That is absurd anyway.
Complain about training days because they half asz everything trying to get out early.
Dress like utter morons on fly days because they have no idea how to dress like a normal person despite seeing them every day in airports.

Not really going to keep up to date, just wanted to throw an opinion out there of a recent hire whos been flying.

Anybody for more kool-aid!?

Just kidding Massvet. Glad it's working out for you. The job is for some and not for others. I will say I argued, wouldn't say bitched, every once in a while and:

I worked out all the time, 6% body fat (actually based my hotels on the gyms they had or in the area).
Rarely ate the airport food, packed my own lunch. (Better for you if you make it and saves a couple bucks)
My family life was actually pretty good and my wife didn't work. Absurd, I don't think so. She stays at home with my 2 year old (the biggest reason I quit that crap agency). Rather she stay home with my daughter than send her somewhere she doesn't know at that age.
I lived an hour and a half from the office but flew out of the airport 15 minutes from my house only to be scheduled to fly out of the two other airports well over an hour away from me because they could careless about the BWI guys.
Actually enjoyed the training days because I could catch up with some of the guys. It was sitting around all day doing and listening to the same training taught a different way that chaffed my ***.
I will agree with you on the clothes some people wore, you should have seen what Pigsdofly wore, my 2 year old could dress herself better. (Just kidding buddy)
But alot of what you said depends on the person and the FO. Seems like Boston is a little better than where I was. Hell is better than my old FO. Good people just bad, bad, bad, did I say bad, management.

And as for people saying a year isn't long enough....they are the ones kidding themselves. It doesn't take long to learn to sit there and make sure nothing happens. Monkeys could be trained to do that. For gods sake, they hired pigsdofly! Just kidding again buddy.

[cpdsullivan117]

ok, so i got a call from a 703 call recently. The guy simply requested a page from my sf86 that needed to be signed. He told me they were going to crank up background checks soon, but could not give me any clue when the hire review panels would take place. Hopefully soon though. Just curious, did anybody go through a FO down south and have a long assessment day versus several spread out tests?

[cpdsullivan117]

actually that was the same month i went. was called in for prints after that, but this has been the first i've heard from anybody since then. I was pleasantly suprised to see my application package was still getting consideration.

[LS1]

Weird. They got my SF86 page, but never requested transcripts.

[cpdsullivan117]

I am not sure what the deal with the transcripts is. It may possibly have to do with the quality of the scans uploaded on avue.

[Skynet]

I got a call as well from 703 requesting SF 86 Release Authorization For Information. I signed it and faxed it. I guess this is good news since I had not heard anything since July email saying that they did not anticipate any hiring in the near future but would keep my records on file. My guess is that the budget passed in October and they are stepping up the process again. I guess it means I am still in the loop.

[LS1]

you got the call today, or in the past month sometime. for those of us sitting around developing ulcers, we would like to know the time line of things going on with other people.

Feb 08: Applied.
March 08: Phone interview.
April 08: Conditional Offer.
May 08: Panel/PTA/Drug/VBT/Fingerprints.
July 08: The semi-bad news letter.
October 08: A ray of hope.

[MassVet]

Manstown,

I think I remember when I was getting hired you were posting some good info. Yeah I know that every single FO differs especially some things I've heard about DC but just wanted to throw another opinion out there rather than negative.

As for the comment of coming back in 4-5 years. Who knows, maybe I'll be here or maybe I'll use that brain I'm working on while flying to move on to something in the private sector.




See you guys later,

Be safe

[LS1]

just received another 703 call for an additional copy of my transcripts. caller was able to tell me that offers will go out around march, she also advised that those of us being called for transcripts will have our files given to the hiring board after they receive our transcripts. from the other questions I asked the vibe i got was that they have the academy's all planned, but weren't able to tell me any further due to opsec.

Damn, I gotta wait until March? Well, I guess it'll be worth the wait...

[Up_On_Base]

As for the comment of coming back in 4-5 years. Who knows, maybe I'll be here or maybe I'll use that brain I'm working on while flying to move on to something in the private sector.

See you guys later,

Be safe

Something to consider about the private sector is no pension, you will have a 401K and other perks but don't chase the money. I left UD a few years ago and made over 120K + car so far this year, nice cash.

But, if I stay even making good cash I will probably work here for 35 years to retire and live off 401K and other investments. If I get back into Fed LE, will make good money and have TSP/Pension/etc.

There is the same amount of BS everywhere, just in different forms. Regardless, gotta do something you enjoy and life is good.

[Skynet]

you got the call today, or in the past month sometime. for those of us sitting around developing ulcers, we would like to know the time line of things going on with other people.

Feb 09: Applied.
March 25: Phone interview.
April 09: Conditional Offer.
April 10: Panel/PTA/Drug/VBT.
June 17: The semi-bad news letter.
October 15: 703 Call for SF 86.

[cpdsullivan117]

those of you who received calls for transcripts, did u post them on avue initially when you applied? also, are they asking for official transcripts sent from the university or just unofficial copies? just trying to get some clarification since i read so many posts regarding transcripts.

[Time4newjob]

those of you who received calls for transcripts, did u post them on avue initially when you applied? also, are they asking for official transcripts sent from the university or just unofficial copies? just trying to get some clarification since i read so many posts regarding transcripts.

Back in August, I received the call for updated info including transcripts and training records. I sent my copies of the transcripts which the BI said were fine.

When I originally applied, I faxed all my info to avue. I don't know the reasoning for the new requests. Maybe due to the time that elapsed they figure many applicants are continually improving themselves by attending school and/or training in an attempt to become a better qualified applicant. If this is the case, I would love to take the PTA again. I bombed it due to an OTJ injury sustained a couple of days before the test last spring. Let's just say I was very embarrased. The FAM's I spoke with said I have nothing to worry about and scored about what the average FAM scores. The BI also asked if my supervisor had changed (which he did) so I provided him with the new bosses name. The next day both bosses got call's and I have heard nothing since. I wonder what they said?

[Up_On_Base]

I got a call back in July, sent in some additional docs. Then, got another call about some dates on my application.

Since then I have not heard anything positive/negative, and no word from a BI. Not sure if they are going to update my BI from the USSS days or what. Either way, no point in going crazy...stay out of trouble, work out, and enjoy life.

Good luck all.

[emerlad]

Hey MassVet,
Great post.
Your job is one of the best out there, you forgot to mention the local politics that happen in this state..

To the guys that crab...
You don't like it in the feds you go somewhere in house.
I am absolutly stuck.
Voicemails, I get 15 a day from people expecting me to fix 15 years of problems in 5 minutes.

Administration, always the same everywhere.
I make 65k, you make 100+
I haven't seen a raise in 3 years, no ot, I get comp time.
Bad food is your complaint, I've eaten hotdogs at home to save money in this ridiculous state.
I get no more steps, comical training, and will soon to be taking the muni police test the 7th time in 14 years.
You retire in 20 as do I, (at 15% of my salary, no matching 401k and zero social security).
I have to go 32 years to make it worthwhile.
I deal with the same sick people, with the exception of my population are drug users and higher risk aids carriers, very rare do I deal with normal general population people.
I get zero respect from law enforcement and am the red headed stepchild in the court system.
I conduct visits in the highest risk neighborhoods with no firearms, no issued cell phone, but do get an expired hand me down bullet proof vest to absolve the admin for any perceived liability from my family if I get killed.

I understand a little bit, but C'mon......

Wish i got in to boston in 02, never put my transcripts in the system is all I can figure why i did not get the call.

[manstown]

My last year with the FAMS I made $83,000 before per diem and night dif and sunday pay. I left there for the US Marshals and took an almost $30,000 pay cut. Why you ask? Job satisfaction. In 3 years I'll be making back that money and have many years to advance and make more. The fact that idiots are running that agency and the only way you can make more money is by them okaying your advancement makes a great job horrible. I can honestly say that FAMS are a necessity to the protection of this country. But until more flying FAMs, like pigsdofly and intheair, start taking over the management positions, that agency will be a sinking ship.

[GuyinCali]

UponBase, You have completed the entire process, correct? I think we were both under the old and latest announcement. I completed everything, now four times, Panel Interview, PTA, SAC Interview, finger prints, BI, and entire medical. March on the old announcement then again in April on the lastest announcement. Since the June email, I have not heard a peep... But that is still good news, I was reading a few posting back, some have gotten the Thanks but no Thanks email.

Keep your fingers crossed that the new budget will pass, and New FAMS classes gets started again soon...

Take care and Good Luck.

Still Praying for the Call...

[Bearcat357]

My last year with the FAMS I made $83,000 before per diem and night dif and sunday pay. I left there for the US Marshals and took an almost $30,000 pay cut. Why you ask? Job satisfaction. In 3 years I'll be making back that money and have many years to advance and make more. The fact that idiots are running that agency and the only way you can make more money is by them okaying your advancement makes a great job horrible. I can honestly say that FAMS are a necessity to the protection of this country. But until more flying FAMs, like pigsdofly and intheair, start taking over the management positions, that agency will be a sinking ship.

Amen my friend....

And that means destroying the USSS Mafia in the process........Which I don't know if it can be done or not.....

[jetset1]

UponBase, You have completed the entire process, correct? I think we were both under the old and latest announcement. I completed everything, now four times, Panel Interview, PTA, SAC Interview, finger prints, BI, and entire medical. March on the old announcement then again in April on the lastest announcement. Since the June email, I have not heard a peep... But that is still good news, I was reading a few posting back, some have gotten the Thanks but no Thanks email.

Keep your fingers crossed that the new budget will pass, and New FAMS classes gets started again soon...

Take care and Good Luck.

Still Praying for the Call...

Add me to that list!! Just waiting for that call.

[Epicfire13]

2 Questions for Bearcat, Pigsdofly, Intheair or any other FAM on here -

1. Not sure if you can share this due to OPSEC, but do you pick your flights each day or does your FO assign them to you? How much notice do you have of when/where you'll be working?

2. Have there been any pregnant FAMS? Right now I'm focused on pursuing my career goals, but realize that in the next 5-10 years I may want to settle down and start a family...still on the fence about it, however.

I appreciate any info anyone may be able to provide regarding these matters.

[Bearcat357]

1. Not sure if you can share this due to OPSEC, but do you pick your flights each day or does your FO assign them to you? How much notice do you have of when/where you'll be working?

2. Have there been any pregnant FAMS? Right now I'm focused on pursuing my career goals, but realize that in the next 5-10 years I may want to settle down and start a family...still on the fence about it, however.

I appreciate any info anyone may be able to provide regarding these matters.

Not a FAM....just tend to hangout with a bunch when I was in DC.....and get sucked into giving them the grand tour of DC on my days off..... :cool:

But...

A. Picked for you by the fine folks out in FAM HQ.....XX amount of days out. Stuff does change...but you will have a nifty PDA that helps you out on when/where you are supposed to be....

B. No clue.....

[Up_On_Base]

2. Have there been any pregnant FAMS? Right now I'm focused on pursuing my career goals, but realize that in the next 5-10 years I may want to settle down and start a family...still on the fence about it, however.

I appreciate any info anyone may be able to provide regarding these matters.

I would not worry about being pregnant, they won't jam you up. If they do, it a huge lawsuit and they don't want that.

I would think that flying all the time would not be good for you/baby so you will probably be grounded.

[Up_On_Base]

I was under the impression that you are only sent to the medical when they have decided to put you in a class, and that you were usually called within days of the medical if not the same day, am I incorrect in this? every person I know who has received an offer from fams received it the same day as their medical.

Yes.

I still would need to complete the medical, that is it.

[LS1]

Yes.

I still would need to complete the medical, that is it.

Same here, no medical as of yet. But I'm done with everything else...

[jetset1]

Same here, no medical as of yet. But I'm done with everything else...

Same!

[bluecollar$]

I'm done except for med. Got call for transcripts.
I've all but thrown in the towel on this deal. Every two weeks the time frame seems to change. Now the AVUE bull. Been at this since 05-06.

If they call it will be cool but i figure they won't and I'll have to reapply yet again.:rolleyes:

[Thor1911]

I was under the impression that you are only sent to the medical when they have decided to put you in a class, and that you were usually called within days of the medical if not the same day, am I incorrect in this? every person I know who has received an offer from fams received it the same day as their medical.

Not true. I took the medical under the first application (applied on Ave in 2006) this year in January/February of 2008. I completed my PT, Drug shortly thereafter, and I did the 1st pannel interview back in 2007. I had to reapply in March 2008 and did the PT, Drug, pannel interview, finger printing and completed the written test. I have provide two E-Quips, one for both job postings. I have recieved my conditional offers of employment, but I have not recieved a call to start.

[GuyinCali]

budgets already passed and fams has their money.

Where did you read that the Budget for Fiscal Year 2009 Passed. I work for the DOJ, which falls under the same federal budget and we were told it is in Continues Resolution (CR) until March 2009. We were all told that all spending has to be approved via our CEO.

But you may be right since DOJ is not part of DHS.

Any FAMS know if the DHS budget passed?

Praying on the Call...

[Up_On_Base]

Where did you read that the Budget for Fiscal Year 2009 Passed. I work for the DOJ, which falls under the same federal budget and we were told it is in Continues Resolution (CR) until March 2009. We were all told that all spending has to be approved via our CEO.

But you may be right since DOJ is not part of DHS.

Any FAMS know if the DHS budget passed?

Praying on the Call...

FAMS is operating under an exception to the CR, they have the money. I think class space is holding things up.

[cpdsullivan117]

Not sure about the budget, but I was informed that there is a pot of money sitting there for hires for this fiscal year. I didn't ask if it was CR or the approved budget. Don't really care as long as they crank it up and start hirin.

[GuyinCali]

a FAM told me.

to be specific they have $14,000,000.00 allotted for new hires.


Thanks for the info... Let's all keep our fingers crossed, ring phone, ring....


Praying for the call...

[Short-Round]

Hey, hello?!

Are you FAMS hiring people listening? It's time for me to go to work, give me a call, I am ready to go, hello?!

Did most of you guys already do a BI and fingerprints?

I haven't done that yet, but I did get a conditional offer, tested, PT, panel interview, and later calls a month or two ago for transcripts and paperwork, which they said they were still processing my stuff at the time.

Man I hate not knowing if I am still in the game, I assume I am, but it would be nice to be able to call someone and ask.

Everyone else in my boat?

[Tac]

Hey, hello?!

Are you FAMS hiring people listening? It's time for me to go to work, give me a call, I am ready to go, hello?!

Did most of you guys already do a BI and fingerprints?

I haven't done that yet, but I did get a conditional offer, tested, PT, panel interview, and later calls a month or two ago for transcripts and paperwork, which they said they were still processing my stuff at the time.

Man I hate not knowing if I am still in the game, I assume I am, but it would be nice to be able to call someone and ask.

Everyone else in my boat?

hurry up and wait....its a pretty big boat... and lots of us are in it....

[jetset1]

Hey, hello?!

Are you FAMS hiring people listening? It's time for me to go to work, give me a call, I am ready to go, hello?!

Did most of you guys already do a BI and fingerprints?

I haven't done that yet, but I did get a conditional offer, tested, PT, panel interview, and later calls a month or two ago for transcripts and paperwork, which they said they were still processing my stuff at the time.

Man I hate not knowing if I am still in the game, I assume I am, but it would be nice to be able to call someone and ask.

Everyone else in my boat?


Did it all to include Equip and Fingerprints and My clearence is ACTIVE! Just waiting for that call. There is a Big boat and lots of room so sit back and wounder like the rest of us. I really hope this is not going to be until March! I would think that calls would go out before then but I thought I would be on a plane to London by now. So what do I know????

[davidh304]

2. Have there been any pregnant FAMS? Right now I'm focused on pursuing my career goals, but realize that in the next 5-10 years I may want to settle down and start a family...still on the fence about it, however.

I appreciate any info anyone may be able to provide regarding these matters.

My wife is a flight attendant for a major airline and she has a pregnant friend. I just asked her yesterday how they handle pregnant employees. They let the FA's fly up to their due date if they so desire but have them get periodically (monthly I beleive) get ok'd by their doctor to continue flying.

Not quite an answer but it's in the same ballpark.

[airpatrol]

Anyone can advise me if there is a chance to start the hiring process from the beginning if i applied 1 month before latestest announcement closed (08).

Or if i would have to reapply for next announcement... THANKS

[jetset1]

INTHEAIR, Pigs or any other FAM heard anything??

[DWebb]

Hey there all. Been watching this thread since about March. Just joined recently. Story for me is about the same. Waiting for calls that never seem to come and can't get a hold of anyone that can answer (or will answer) the few questions I have. My main question for months has been, "When should I expect a call or an update on my status?"

Done everything but the medical. My work was called a month or two ago. I was able to reach someone several weeks ago in DC who said they were waiting for my transcripts. I never received any such request. Have to wonder if that got lost in the Avue translation like my partner's conditional offer. I had to tell him where on the Avue site to go looking for it.

Anywho...Hello. Yet another soul in the boat set adrift.

[gonefishin]

A few calls have been going out for interviews at the FO's. Also, FAMS are now eligible to receive hazard pay for some locations.

[DWebb]

A few calls have been going out for interviews at the FO's. Also, FAMS are now eligible to receive hazard pay for some locations.

Might I ask where you got that info? Are you FAM? Thanks. Oh, and the few calls going out, by any chance L.A.?

[Up_On_Base]

A few calls have been going out for interviews at the FO's. Also, FAMS are now eligible to receive hazard pay for some locations.

What kind of interviews? SAC interviews? Please explain.
I had my panel interview w/ the SAC and meet most of the FO, is this for final offers?

[GuyinCali]

UpOnBase, you heard anything new? Have you tried calling the FO or HR?

[GuyinCali]

So if you already had your medical completed, does that mean your in, and just waiting on training date? Or do you do the medical as a last step then it goes to the hiring board?

I have completed all, panel interview, PTA, SAC interview, finger prints, equip BI, UA test and medical.


Praying for the "Call"...

[manstown]

everyone i know who has been hired (in the past), received their job offer the same day as their medical, but i've also been told that as long as they don't find anything bad in your medical, you will be hired if they have openings, but who knows, that's just what I've been told and my source could have been wrong.

considering what i was told during my last 703 call, i wouldn't be worried unless i hadn't heard something by march.

How did they get hired the same day as their medical? After the medical it still has to be sent for evaluation by DHS/FAMS docs and still has to go before the hiring board. I don't think it was the same day. And unless things have changed, and they very well could, when I was hired it was a 609 or 602, which ever is NJ, that called with the final offer.

[Doggie123]

Does anybody know what this means? 1801-12
Complete - Tentatively Passed Basic Qualifications.

[Supersonic527]

Does anybody know what this means? 1801-12
Complete - Tentatively Passed Basic Qualifications.

It means you meet the basic qualifications, which is either a degree or experience or both. :)

[MvExplorer]

so i've asked this before, but im not sure if I understand whats happening.

for those of us who applied, but never got to the initial phone interview before the hiring freeze, is that going to start picking up again or are we out of luck?

[manstown]

I won't say you're out of luck.......but I will say if they put another announcement out...apply again. Who ever knows if they are done with the last announcement or not. Or take the obvious route and call and find out.

[jetset1]

All that would know, do you have to stay every night(weekends) in the provided dorms at FLETC(Artesia or Georgia)? Can you stay at a hotel with your family if they are visiting for the weekend? I know that you would have to stay in the dorms Mon-Fri but I'm unsure of the weekends. Any info is appreciated.

[gonefishin]

All that would know, do you have to stay eveynight(weekends) in the provided dorms at FLETC(Artesia or Georgia)? Can you stay at a hotel with your family if they are visiting for the weekend? I know that you would have to stay in the dorms Mon-Fri but I'm unsure of the weekends. Any info is appreciated.

No, you can leave on weekends while at Artesia and ACY and go where ever you want. (Except Cuba)
I actually stayed with my family away from our assigned housing the whole last week of ACY with no issues.

[jetset1]

No, you can leave on weekends while at Artesia and ACY and go where ever you want. (Except Cuba)
I actually stayed with my family away from our assigned housing the whole last week of ACY with no issues.

I appreciate the information. One more question. When in Artesia did you get one of those private rooms or did you have to share a room? I heard that some FAMs got there own room. Thanks!

[gonefishin]

I appreciate the information. One more question. When in Artesia did you get one of those private rooms or did you have to share a room? I heard that some FAMs got there own room. Thanks!

Sometimes your own room but with the amount of BP classes running through I'd expect to have a room mate. You'll get your own room in ACY.

[jetset1]

Sometimes your own room but with the amount of BP classes running through I'd expect to have a room mate. You'll get your own room in ACY.

Thanks for all the info! Stay safe.

[Up_On_Base]

Sometimes your own room but with the amount of BP classes running through I'd expect to have a room mate. You'll get your own room in ACY.

Why doesn't FAMS use FLETC GA or even SC/MD? I know UD used to use Artesia post 9/11, GA was a good time...NM is horrible from what I hear.

[GuyinCali]

[QUOTE=Up_On_Base;GA was a good time...NM is horrible from what I hear.[/QUOTE]

You are correct, Glynco, GA was a blast, I was their in 1995, then in 2000 I went to Artisa for training. Artisa is in the middle of nowhere...:eek:

[DWebb]

Strange, after receiving the "so sorry" email, my Sgt. was called and I had to send in my transcripts. My Sgt. gave me the name and number of the background investigator. I called to see what my status was on two occasions. Both times I have left messages. I have never received a call back. Furthermore, I have been unable to get in contact with anyone at my local field office or in DC who will/can answer me one simple question, "What is the status of my application?" My transcripts were sent in less than a month ago at their request. What gives? Anyone with info would be great. Also, I've been told a new vendor for applications should have been chosen. I was told to check the tsajobs site which still directs you to Avue. Go figure. The left and right hands need to start talking.

[Up_On_Base]

don't listen to the so sorry email, i think that's meant for all the people who don't end up being contacted after its all said and done. I also received that email, i know i am still under consideration. my guess is they sent it out to reduce the number of phone calls asking them what was going on with hiring.

Is that the email from a few months ago saying, FAMS currently not hiring but will keep info on file?

If so, I got that one...then got 3 calls from 703 since...still no word.

[LS1]

I got that letter. 703 in Sept. I also found out that FAMS has investigated my background...

[Up_On_Base]

I got that letter. 703 in Sept. I also found out that FAMS has investigated my background...

How do you know, I don't know anyone being contacted about me yet...although they might have contacted former agency.

[DWebb]

I'm guessing your B.I. told you that. I sure wish my B.I. would take my call or return it. I just want to know if I'm still being considered and how long I can expect to wait. I've tested with a lot of agencies. I've always been kept posted on my status. This is crazy.

don't listen to the so sorry email, i think that's meant for all the people who don't end up being contacted after its all said and done. I also received that email, i know i am still under consideration. my guess is they sent it out to reduce the number of phone calls asking them what was going on with hiring.

[GuyinCali]

I am not sure if my BI has been started. I submitted my equip back in March but never heard another word. I did speak with a recuriter back in March and April for call backs on DD214 info, then was told it was forward to the hiring manager.

But nothing since the June 17 email "The Federal Air Marshal Service is not anticipating any additional hiring activities for Federal Air Marshals in the near future. However, we will keep your application on file for consideration for future hiring opportunities. We will review your information along with the information of others who applied for the vacancy when we determine more vacant positions exist."

I do understand that some applicants got the other email the "Thanks but No Thanks"


Praying on the "Call"

[MvExplorer]

got a bunch of 703 calls today, like 6 in a row.

got really excited when I saw all the missed calls with those famous numbers...

then i got disappointed when they started asking about my insurance choices. stupid virginia numbers...

[Time4newjob]

How do you know, I don't know anyone being contacted about me yet...although they might have contacted former agency.

Check your credit history. In the inquiry section you will see something from TSA, FAMS, OPM not sure exactly what agency or contractor (can't remember) but it appears to be an official inquiry for a BI.

[Up_On_Base]

Check your credit history. In the inquiry section you will see something from TSA, FAMS, OPM not sure exactly what agency or contractor (can't remember) but it appears to be an official inquiry for a BI.

I know the credit was pulled, I was referring to the actual knocking on doors/etc.

[firecop_22]

Check your credit history. In the inquiry section you will see something from TSA, FAMS, OPM not sure exactly what agency or contractor (can't remember) but it appears to be an official inquiry for a BI.



When you checked your credit history, was the FAM inquiry under Experian, Equifax, TransUnion or all three?





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[Time4newjob]

When you checked your credit history, was the FAM inquiry under Experian, Equifax, TransUnion or all three?


The credit check is part of the BI.

I don't recall which reporting agency it was under, I think it was Experian but I'm not 100%. I remember seeing it while applying for a mortgage. Sorry.




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[DWebb]

So I made some calls recently. I got a call back from a recruiter I was given the name and number of. The recruiter called DC on my behalf. The recruiter called me back today and informed me DC stated they didn't have my transcripts. When the recruited insisted I had faxed them, the person in DC went looking and located them. DC said they were also waiting to hear from my current supervisor, who talked with my BI about a month ago. The recruiter is calling back tomorrow to let them know my supervisor talked with my BI. Apparently there is a traffic jam in the information highway in DC. I'm doing my best to unclog it for my information to pass through unmolested. However, it is becoming increasingly frustrating to discover that people "in the know" don't seem to know what has happened/is happening with my packet. I suspect many of you are in the same traffic jam and have little to no information about how/who to contact.

[Short-Round]

Exactly, no clue at all and can't get anyword from anyone.

[Thor1911]

I emailed the people in Virgina that I had to follow up with in providing more information back in March/April and I have not gotten a response from them. There is a number on the Avue site that is the recruiting number for FAMS, I haven't had anyone pick up. You can leave a voice mail, that is about it.

[Short-Round]

Thor, that is the number I used and I got the same in return, no reply to my voice mail. I am fearful that these guys will pull what I read happened in the past and lose everyones info.

[Thor1911]

avue is not handling hiring for FAMS anymore.

Who is it then?

[jetset1]

I'm guessing that the FAMs on the site are not allowed to speak any longer? That or they are in the dark along with the rest of us! Anyway, to those waiting good luck and those already up in the air stay safe!

[DWebb]

I heard rumors that Boeing (sp?) or Northrop were getting the contract for that. I don't know what they have to do with applications, etc., but that is what I heard. I've yet to find anything online.

Who is it then?

[ButterChunk]

It's actually *supposed* to be Lockheed Martin, they've been closely tied with TSA from the beginning, but, of course, anything can change with the govt. Regardless, any new announcement will show up on usajobs.

[maybesomeday]

How long, on average, does the hiring process take? Any traveling involved? I'm a poor college student.

[sap123]

How long, on average, does the hiring process take? Any traveling involved? I'm a poor college student.

You should hear back from them within minutes.

Also, no training necessary for guys taking firearms on planes. They typically just hand you a firearm and tell you to watch Wesley Snipes movies. Pretty easy, really.

[maybesomeday]

im a big fan of mr. snipes?

[GuyinCali]

[/B][/B]How long, on average, does the hiring process take? Any traveling involved? I'm a poor college student.

Here is my timeline:

September 2006 Applied
September 2006 Conditional Offer of Employment:
May 2007 Panel Interview & UA Test @ FO
January 23, 08 Reapplied on new announcement
March 3, 08 Physical & UA Test (old announcement)
March 12, 08 BI Completed.
March 13, 08 Fingerprints
March 24, 08 PTA and informal meeting with the FO SAC
March 28, 08 Contacted by HQ, fax info from my DD214
April 4, 08 Completed Phone Interview (new announcement)
April 8, 08 COE
April 23, 08 Completed Assessment Date at FO, passed PTA and new computer test.
June 17, 08 Received Email: "The Federal Air Marshal Service is not anticipating any additional hiring activities for Federal Air Marshals in the near future. However, we will keep your application on file for consideration for future hiring opportunities."


Praying for the "Call" for an EOD...

[gonefishin]

You should hear back from them within minutes.

Also, no training necessary for guys taking firearms on planes. They typically just hand you a firearm and tell you to watch Wesley Snipes movies. Pretty easy, really.

We also learn how to curve bullets by watching the movie Wanted

[Up_On_Base]

How long, on average, does the hiring process take? Any traveling involved? I'm a poor college student.

The process can take 4 months to 3 years. Plan for atleast 1 - 1.5 years.

Traveling - If you mean to the FO, plan for 2-3 trips. If you mean on the job, plan to travel all the time.

Good luck

[horse]

and when or if you get hired,you wont even know what day is what.or what bed your in for that matter.interesting life.

[futurefed21]

wow i basically completely forgot bout this job after receiving the bad email from the last announcement but i jus got called for my panel & PT test...

[Up_On_Base]

wow i basically completely forgot bout this job after receiving the bad email from the last announcement but i jus got called for my panel & PT test...

What FO?

I guess they are ramping up for some hires in 09 off the old announcement.

[futurefed21]

newark..yea i guess so!

[MvExplorer]

Future...

i'm guessing you already had your phone interview? Anyone know if I should be on the lookout for one?

I applied back in may and didn't move on before they entered the hiring freeze

[DWebb]

You get the call today? I wouldn't think admin types would be working on Vet's Day and all.

wow i basically completely forgot bout this job after receiving the bad email from the last announcement but i jus got called for my panel & PT test...

[scoobs]

Has Qol improved? I know that they were not very happy and were leaving in droves. Thanks.

[GuyinCali]

wow i basically completely forgot bout this job after receiving the bad email from the last announcement but i jus got called for my panel & PT test...

When did you get called for your panel and PT test?

[GuyinCali]

wow i basically completely forgot bout this job after receiving the bad email from the last announcement but i jus got called for my panel & PT test...

When did you get called for your panel and PT test?

Good Luck!!!


Praying on the "Call" for an EOD...

[futurefed21]

hey fellas..ok so basically i applied for the last announcement & i did the phone interview, BI packet, & livescan prints...then i heard abosultely nothing until i got that "sorry future consideration kept on file blah blah" email a few months back...then all of a sudden i got called (on Vets day nonetheless) for my panel & PT which I will be doing next week. of course now im already halfway through the police academy for another department so im not sure what i would do even if i did get offered the job...but i guess its a nice problem to have lol. ill keep yall appraised of my status...

[Rzeszow]

Anyone have any idea when the next chance to apply will be?

[futurefed21]

oh also a couple quick questions for those of you who are in the know:

(1) do you get paid full salary (including locality/LEAP) during the academy? or does that start only once you graduate?

(2) are you informed of what field office you will be working out of once you receive the call? or are you kept in the dark until you graduate the academy?

all answers are appreciated, thanks!!!

[manstown]

You'll get full pay with LEAP and locality from the start and you will know where you're going when the make an offer. You'll get more job satisfaction out of being a cop.

[DWebb]

Not so sure of that. Right now I've had it up to my ears about raising my stats (no matter how good they are), constantly being micro managed, second guessed, complained about by public because they know an IA can screw up your career so they do it to get back at you for arresting them for a valid violation, stabbed in the back by admin, screwed over, and messed with at every turn. So, other than maybe sheer boredom on flights, I can't imagine how it can be any worse than what I'm putting up with now. And as for job satisfaction, I see very little of that.

You'll get full pay with LEAP and locality from the start and you will know where you're going when the make an offer. You'll get more job satisfaction out of being a cop.

[Ceridwen]

I usually love having FAMs on board my aircraft but the last time I almost had to throw one off (which probably would be a lot of paperwork, so I'm glad I did not have to.) He wouldn't listen to the flight attendants and was a general a-hole. For all you guys applying please don't be this guy.

[Bearcat357]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2008-11-12-air-marshals_N.htm

Front page story in today's USAToday about FAMS....and the crimes they have committed over the past couple of years.......and about the apparent crappy backgrounds someone is doing on newly hired FAMS........

[Up_On_Base]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2008-11-12-air-marshals_N.htm

Front page story in today's USAToday about FAMS....and the crimes they have committed over the past couple of years.......and about the apparent crappy backgrounds someone is doing on newly hired FAMS........

Read it this morning, its a mess but FAMS is not unique in having some knuckleheads in it's ranks.

Guys from the FBI, state, and local also get in trouble and locked up for breaking the law. I have no problem with a guy having a few minor things on his record *underage drinking/disorderly conduct/etc* from teens/early 20's but if it's a pattern...next in line please. IMO bad credit is worse than previously listed.

[Bearcat357]

Read it this morning, its a mess but FAMS is not unique in having some knuckleheads in it's ranks.

Guys from the FBI, state, and local also get in trouble and locked up for breaking the law. I have no problem with a guy having a few minor things on his record *underage drinking/disorderly conduct/etc* from teens/early 20's but if it's a pattern...next in line please. IMO bad credit is worse than previously listed.

I've already got "hate mail" from about 40 folks that I sent that link to.....

Told them that they were all scumbags...... :eek:

:D

And you're right, it's not just agency specific.....it's across the boards that there are some bad apples in every agency.... But, as we all know, the FAMS are supposed to be the frontline of security....so the media is going to blow all that up...

Interesting to see who Barry will get to head things up......

[Ceridwen]

Anytime you have a hiring boom you are going to increase the chances of taking in bad apples, there is not much you can do about it.

[tdparmel]

Actually the number of FAMS who have been charged with DWI's is quite low. Also the number of major crimes does not seem to be very high. The place I work has had numerous guys get arrested and I have been there less than three years.

[gonefishin]

Anyone notice how old most on the incidents are? Ths sounds like a story thats been sitting on the burner for a while and since the election is over and nobody wants to hear about the economy being in the s@$tter they had to run some story that would sell papers......Rep. Ted Poe grilled Kip Hawley over misconduct over three months ago....its all old news

[GuyinCali]

Any news on when new classes will get started again. This time last year was when calls started going out for the first class last year.

Praying on the "Call" for an EOD...

[Bearcat357]

its all old news

Perhaps....but when it hits the front page of the USAToday...it's new news and stuff that current FAMS have to deal with....

A couple of my buddies said they were getting grieve over it already as they checked in and flew today by Airline folks....

If you say to "forget about them"..... Remember, those are the folks that are calling DHS hotlines to bitch about FAMS on a daily basis.....and are the ones talking to investigators....

No matter how small the incident might be..... they can make it something big..... ;)

[manstown]

Not so sure of that. Right now I've had it up to my ears about raising my stats (no matter how good they are), constantly being micro managed, second guessed, complained about by public because they know an IA can screw up your career so they do it to get back at you for arresting them for a valid violation, stabbed in the back by admin, screwed over, and messed with at every turn. So, other than maybe sheer boredom on flights, I can't imagine how it can be any worse than what I'm putting up with now. And as for job satisfaction, I see very little of that.

Trust me when I say if you think that is bad than drop out of the FAMS process. Multiply your issues by 10 and that's what you'll deal with in the FAMS. But you ask any cop turned FAM what they enjoyed more and 9 out of 10 will tell you the streets.

If you think micromanaging is bad at a PD, you have no idea what it's like with the FAMS. As for the complaints, now add to the list gate agents, flight attendants, TSA screeners who don't know their jobs. They give you a phone for a reason.......to check up on you. If you don't return a call or email within a resonable time, they give you s##t. Trust me when I say it's not as bad as it will be with the FAMS.

[jetset1]

Trust me when I say if you think that is bad than drop out of the FAMS process. Multiply your issues by 10 and that's what you'll deal with in the FAMS. But you ask any cop turned FAM what they enjoyed more and 9 out of 10 will tell you the streets.

If you think micromanaging is bad at a PD, you have no idea what it's like with the FAMS. As for the complaints, now add to the list gate agents, flight attendants, TSA screeners who don't know their jobs. They give you a phone for a reason.......to check up on you. If you don't return a call or email within a resonable time, they give you s##t. Trust me when I say it's not as bad as it will be with the FAMS.


That said, every job has it's problems and that's why it's called a JOB otherwise it would be called retired or unemployed or self employed. We understand from enough people on this site(to include FAMS) that the job is going to be unexciting with long hours. There are alot of differences between the two but the location changes all the time and the money is great. I don't get the problem of having to be nice to people in an airport? Gate agents, Flight attendants, Pilots ect.... How is this a problem unless you have a giant ego and think that the plane is yours?? Get on, Sit down, be AWARE of those on the flight and watch your partners back while safe guarding those flying in the event of some incident. Don't bring up how crystals and outer space work and I think that the job will be a great experience. I speak to FAMS in my line of work and I have to say they seem pretty happy with their jobs. Yes, they are new and old,long and short timers and I am yet to hear any negative things from them other than the given(delays, hotels and bad food). We all go into this job aware of that! Alright, add a little micro management. How bad could that be due to the fact you will be out of pocket during the flight time? I'm not there yet but expect to be soon so don't take this the wrong way but every job stinks yet at least this(as well as LE) give you a feeling of pride at the end of the day! There aren't alot of jobs that do that out there. Good luck all!:cool:

[manstown]

That said, every job has it's problems and that's why it's called a JOB otherwise it would be called retired or unemployed or self employed. We understand from enough people on this site(to include FAMS) that the job is going to be unexciting with long hours. There are alot of differences between the two but the location changes all the time and the money is great. I don't get the problem of having to be nice to people in an airport? Gate agents, Flight attendants, Pilots ect.... How is this a problem unless you have a giant ego and think that the plane is yours?? Get on, Sit down, be AWARE of those on the flight and watch your partners back while safe guarding those flying in the event of some incident. Don't bring up how crystals and outer space work and I think that the job will be a great experience. I speak to FAMS in my line of work and I have to say they seem pretty happy with their jobs. Yes, they are new and old,long and short timers and I am yet to hear any negative things from them other than the given(delays, hotels and bad food). We all go into this job aware of that! Alright, add a little micro management. How bad could that be due to the fact you will be out of pocket during the flight time? I'm not there yet but expect to be soon so don't take this the wrong way but every job stinks yet at least this(as well as LE) give you a feeling of pride at the end of the day! There aren't alot of jobs that do that out there. Good luck all!:cool:

I'm not going to get in a ****ing match here unless you've been there and done that. How many places, when you call in because your wife and child are sick, tell you if you don't come in you'll be written up for dereliction of duty? Or when you call up to say your wife needs to get to a hospital, their first question is, "well can she drive herself?"

And the ****ing matches you get in with the gate agent, flight attendant, and pilot has nothing to do with egos. It has to do to the fact that they don't want you there. It's the gate agents and flight attendants that announce who you are to the public that starts those arguements. It's the pilots that tell you to go sit down and do nothing until they tell you that start the arguements. Don't get me wrong some appreciate you being there. But most will look at you as just another passenger and treat you the same way. And when the s##t hits the fan they will be the first to come and get you. As far as feeling you did something for the better good......I will admit, regardless how you're treated you get that feeling knowing that if it did hit the fan you were there to do your job. But there are far more things you don't know about that goes on with this job that hopefully if you do get the job, it's becoming less of a problem. But there's a reason so many people leave after a short time there.

[Bearcat357]

I don't get the problem of having to be nice to people in an airport? Gate agents, Flight attendants, Pilots ect.... How is this a problem unless you have a giant ego and think that the plane is yours?? Get on, Sit down, be AWARE of those on the flight and watch your partners back while safe guarding those flying in the event of some incident.

Dude....have you ever flown Armed before....???? :rolleyes:

Try it some time and see that attitude you get from the Airline/TSA folks because they simply don't want you there.....

You ever had your creds held up in the air (to look for a watermark) in front of God and everyone.....and now everyone in line knows who you are...??

You ever been made to enter a plane before it takes off....and well before the general public is allowed to board.....and as you are sitting in your seat, everyone walking by you with a stupid grin on their faces because they damn sure know who you are.....???

You ever been held up at a TSA Checkpoint because they have no clue how to check you in properly.....then announce to the world they have an Armed Cop needing to get to his flight......then have everyone in the boarding area watch you go to your plane....hence blowing your cover once again.....??

Once again, I or any other LEO flying armed....whether it's a FAM, FBI Agent, USSS Agent, NCIS Agent, local LEO, or whoever is allowed to do so will tell you over and over about bending over backwards to be nice to get through the process....only to get attitude after attitude from folks that just don't like Cops.......

Perhaps someday you will realize what we are talking about...until then....how about giving it a rest...?

[jetset1]

Dude....have you ever flown Armed before....???? :rolleyes:

Try it some time and see that attitude you get from the Airline/TSA folks because they simply don't want you there.....

You ever had your creds held up in the air (to look for a watermark) in front of God and everyone.....and now everyone in line knows who you are...??

You ever been made to enter a plane before it takes off....and well before the general public is allowed to board.....and as you are sitting in your seat, everyone walking by you with a stupid grin on their faces because they damn sure know who you are.....???

You ever been held up at a TSA Checkpoint because they have no clue how to check you in properly.....then announce to the world they have an Armed Cop needing to get to his flight......then have everyone in the boarding area watch you go to your plane....hence blowing your cover once again.....??

Once again, I or any other LEO flying armed....whether it's a FAM, FBI Agent, USSS Agent, NCIS Agent, local LEO, or whoever is allowed to do so will tell you over and over about bending over backwards to be nice to get through the process....only to get attitude after attitude from folks that just don't like Cops.......

Perhaps someday you will realize what we are talking about...until then....how about giving it a rest...?


O.k. your right! Everyone should call there local field office and remove their names from consideration.(FYI, Manstown I respect your post!)

[manstown]

No one is saying that everyone should pull their applications. Bearcat is right on with everything he says. Imagine that feeling when you are a LEO flying armed every once and a while. Now imagine the FAMs that do it daily and get the same reactions. And if you argue with the knuckleheads, the agency you work for gives you a rath of s##t because you were the unprofessional one for questioning these people.

What we're saying is that this isn't the glamorous job people on here make it out to be. Many hours away from your family. If you don't have a family, many hours away from a life. Dealing with idiots is a daily event and 99% of it isn't in the air. It's when you get from the parking lot to your seat assignment. What works for some doesn't always work for others.......I understand that. But any FAM that says they haven't experienced any one of these things I will tell them they are a liar. If you get to this job and realize what it is, if anything, it will be a good stepping stone. If you get to this job and you decide it's what you wanted.......that's great. I wish anyone here the best of luck. But I'll be the first one on this site to let people know that while there may be issues anywhere you go, I will say that the issues FAMs have more than likely are far worse. I said it once before....until they get flying FAMs in the management, this agency, which could be great, will be a sinking ship.

But again, Bearcat couldn't have drawn a better picture of the day in and day out for FAMs.

[Short-Round]

I wish they would hurry up and hire me so gate agents can treat me like crap.

I am not getting the full experience sitting at home and reading the posts.

I'll get treated like crap for the job, I love punishment!

[Bearcat357]

O.k. your right! Everyone should call there local field office and remove their names from consideration.

Did I (or manstown) say that...????:rolleyes:

Some of you folks are coming on here thinking that working for the FAMS is going to be the best job you ever had, that you will be fighting terrorist everyday, and that EVERYONE will love you because of that.....and that's not the case......at all......

As a FAM (or a LEO Flying Armed) you open your mouth to discuss someone's stupidity (like an Airline Ticket Agent holding Creds up in the air to look for a watermark while 100 people are behind you.....and half of those end up on your flight).....your bosses will jam you up for being someone that isn't conforming.....as they don't want to hear it......even if it compromisers your safety...... That is a fact of life......at least in the Federal world.....

[Bearcat357]

But again, Bearcat couldn't have drawn a better picture of the day in and day out for FAMs.

And it is what it is....

I have flown armed both as a local and a FLEO......and it's the same deal. Airline and TSA folks don't give two craps about you.....some pilots don't give two craps about you....and the Aircrew don't give two craps about you until crap hits the fan.....then you are their hero to save the day......

I am probably going to go back to the local side of things at the first of the year....and my Sheriff (as we drove around tonight) said he'd let me fly armed whenever I wanted to....... :D

As much as i love doing that.....so that I can not only protect myself but the flying public if some asshat decides to do something retarded like take over a A/C...... I dread it because of what hassles I am going to have to go through when I do so.....

And FAMS do that everytime they fly....which is a hell of a lot more than I will......

I just talked to a couple tonight that read on here but don't post.....and they both said they just shake their heads at some of the nonsense people post about FAMS being the greatest job ever....

Guess what both of them were doing once they got off the phone with me...? Studying to earn their BS/BA so that they can transfer to another agency and get the hell out of Dodge.......as after 5 years they are tired of it.....

[PigsdoFly]

But any FAM that says they haven't experienced any one of these things I will tell them they are a liar.

I have never experienced any of these issues, nope never, not once.:D

[manstown]

I have never experienced any of these issues, nope never, not once.:D

LIAR!!!!! Haven't seen you around that much. Looking for a new job are you? Oh, that's right, you got a good gig now. Did you make that move yet?

[Ceridwen]

Am an FFDO. With my credentials I'm supposed to get through security and in theory this saves me time (and prevents a TSA agent from freaking out and yelling GUN!!! if they xray my purse) but in reality many times finding the appropriate person who is able to look at my credentials sometimes takes a lot longer than just going through security.

When I fly as a passenger (going home or going to work) it can be kind of annoying too. I have to explain to the gate agent why I need to preboard with the invalids and babies and a lot of gate agents are mean. Sometimes even other pilots are jerks too, but not very often. I think perhaps there might be more jerks if I was a guy because there are a number of FFDO's that just went through the program for the macho-factor and at least most people don't associate me with machoness.

[PigsdoFly]

LIAR!!!!! Haven't seen you around that much. Looking for a new job are you? Oh, that's right, you got a good gig now. Did you make that move yet?

I know right they had me down in the deep south at some training. I'm there now is that what you mean?

[BD380]

FYI, there's a new policy for state and local LEOs for flying armed. Obviously it doesn't affect FLEOs. I'm trying to find a link with the details...

The change is that a NLETS message will be required instead of the Official Letter of Authority from the Chief. Apparently they felt the letters were too easy to counterfeit, so they've decided to use the NLETS message instead.

[futurefed21]

hey any of you guys know when the next FAM academy begins? just looking for a ballpark like anytime this year or maybe spring of next year? thanx...

[Up_On_Base]

I have never experienced any of these issues, nope never, not once.:D

One of my buds from UD had to fly out west for a funeral, he flew armed. He got in 3 arguments with airline/tsa people over why he is armed if off-duty.

Obviously he thought they were joking, then he got angry. It all came down to a pi**ing match, you would think the airlines would love having an USSS guy on the plane for extra security.

Also - If picked up by FAMS I would not mind getting calls/emails from my FO. In my contractor gig I get calls/email 24/7 on my crackberry...I love/hate that thing.

[airisfine]

hey any of you guys know when the next FAM academy begins? just looking for a ballpark like anytime this year or maybe spring of next year? thanx...
Five classes this year, one already at fletc, one already filled, three left to go, they are filling them right now

[airisfine]

They do reveal your identity at times, but this job is all about being a professional. You gotta keep your ego and attitude in check.

[Up_On_Base]

Five classes this year, one already at fletc, one already filled, three left to go, they are filling them right now

So...if they are filling the classes now, will they have the newbies sit in the FO's for a few months or have calls go out later this year?

Thanks

[airisfine]

later this year, the only way you sit in the field office for more then a month or so now is if you were prior fed. now, i hear prior feds have to go to fletc again as of the third class for fiscal year 09, the push is for leo not on the fed level even though it is more expensive. this outfit is turning into a revolving door for prior feds because they have something to compare this agency to probably, it is what it is. good thing is avue is out and lockheed is in for the hiring process and it will be much more streamlined, no more year long wait for hire unless you get your app in to late

[Up_On_Base]

now, i hear prior feds have to go to fletc again as of the third class for fiscal year 09, the push is for leo not on the fed level even though it is more expensive. this outfit is turning into a revolving door for prior feds because they have something to compare this agency to probably, it is what it is.

I also heard this from 2 very good sources...guess if I get picked up I will have to go back to FLETC...wish it was GA...not NM! :(

[jetset1]

They do reveal your identity at times, but this job is all about being a professional. You gotta keep your ego and attitude in check.

This can't be true! Bearcat made it clear that most FAMS can't wait to get the hell out of dodge!! Prior posts also state that it has nothing to do with ego. How could you be so wrong regarding the day to day nightmares that TSA, GATES AGENTS, and every other person at the airport (who are against the FAMS) cause and want them gone from every plane. Thus, making the job so horrible that he want's to leave at the first chance he gets!! Oh, thats right he isn't a FAM(neither am I) but he knows some and for reasons not understood he continues to slam the job and service. I guess out of respect for his friends. Yet, I have friends that just lost their job at Lehman brothers and you don't hear me posting over and over about how Wall street stinks! Because, we all know that side of the story just like we all know from the constant posts that he and some FAMS don't enjoy the job and we won't be in the "GLAM" factor of LE. With the number of negative posts by Bearcat regarding FAMS(I know you just want to let everyone know about the real job that you don't have) it seems as if he might be the one that needs to give it a rest!:rolleyes: Again, good luck to all who are excited about the chance to become a FAM if we are so lucky!

[Bearcat357]

Blah, blah, blah......

A. Do you actually know any FAMs.....other than the few that you might have met while processing.....?? Have you broke bread with them....? Have you ever been in combat with them....?

B. All the folks that I know working the job currently want out.....they are working on their degrees and are applying elsewhere..... If that bothers you....than that's on you slick......

C. Have you ever flown armed before....? As stated...until you have....you have no freaking clue what you have to deal with whether you are a local, state, or federal LEO...... Folks don't like us. Folks don't give two craps about us. That happens on a daily basis whether you fly or not. If you can't get that through your head, then you need to re-group and find a new job.....as you will be dead within a year trusting folks......

D. All FAMS, FLEO, Local LEOs have different experiences. I am talking about my own....just like manstown. Do you get abused everytime you fly....? No....but it happens a lot more than folks think. As stated, nothing like having your creds held up in the air looking for a watermark with 50 people behind you. The lady doing that was trying to do her job but just wasn't trained well enough by her Airline to accomplish that mission....... Was I mad at her...? Yeah...to a point....but that's something you have to deal with.....

E. I've never applied for...nor would I apply for the FAMS. It's not my type of gig. BUT, I have tons of bro's/sista's that work for them.....and I support them 110% and would do anything for them or their buddies. Once again, you know anyone that is on the job other than here.....?? Why would you try to bust someone hump about a job you have no clue about other than what you read off a internet web page....? :rolleyes: When folks in the know....know folks that do the job day in and day out.....worked with said folks (I have worked at DHS at the NOC.....and if you need to know what/where that is....perhaps I can tell you later)....or are on the job and post stuff that doesn't make the job the way you think it's going to be...... Perhaps you need to find a new life and go on with things....as you won't ever make it in the real world of LE or the life of a FAM.......

F. I take all things with a grain of salt. New dude shows up and starts posting.....How do you (or anyone else) know he's the real deal....? If you listen to manstown, flying pig, intheaircop, and several others that are long time posters, you know who they are....and that they are the real deal......read those posts and realize what's going on.....

Geez....... Folks in the know trying to offer information.....and you start acting ungrateful....and act like we don't know what's going on..... :rolleyes:

Can't wait to see you crying in a couple of months when you aren't picked up because of your attitude......

[jetset1]

A. Do you actually know any FAMs.....other than the few that you might have met while processing.....?? Have you broke bread with them....? Have you ever been in combat with them....?

B. All the folks that I know working the job currently want out.....they are working on their degrees and are applying elsewhere..... If that bothers you....than that's on you slick......

C. Have you ever flown armed before....? As stated...until you have....you have no freaking clue what you have to deal with whether you are a local, state, or federal LEO...... Folks don't like us. Folks don't give two craps about us. That happens on a daily basis whether you fly or not. If you can't get that through your head, then you need to re-group and find a new job.....as you will be dead within a year trusting folks......

D. All FAMS, FLEO, Local LEOs have different experiences. I am talking about my own....just like manstown. Do you get abused everytime you fly....? No....but it happens a lot more than folks think. As stated, nothing like having your creds held up in the air looking for a watermark with 50 people behind you. The lady doing that was trying to do her job but just wasn't trained well enough by her Airline to accomplish that mission....... Was I mad at her...? Yeah...to a point....but that's something you have to deal with.....

E. I've never applied for...nor would I apply for the FAMS. It's not my type of gig. BUT, I have tons of bro's/sista's that work for them.....and I support them 110% and would do anything for them or their buddies. Once again, you know anyone that is on the job other than here.....?? Why would you try to bust someone hump about a job you have no clue about other than what you read off a internet web page....? :rolleyes: When folks in the know....know folks that do the job day in and day out.....worked with said folks (I have worked at DHS at the NOC.....and if you need to know what/where that is....perhaps I can tell you later)....or are on the job and post stuff that doesn't make the job the way you think it's going to be...... Perhaps you need to find a new life and go on with things....as you won't ever make it in the real world of LE or the life of a FAM.......

F. I take all things with a grain of salt. New dude shows up and starts posting.....How do you (or anyone else) know he's the real deal....? If you listen to manstown, flying pig, intheaircop, and several others that are long time posters, you know who they are....and that they are the real deal......read those posts and realize what's going on.....

Geez....... Folks in the know trying to offer information.....and you start acting ungrateful....and act like we don't know what's going on..... :rolleyes:

Can't wait to see you crying in a couple of months when you aren't picked up because of your attitude......

Hey Chief, Picked up or not I'm fine with it. I do just fine on my own. Lovin life and kicking back!! Processed FAMS NO!! Have no idea what you might be getting at. If it's OPM than your way off!!! I don't feel the need to express my life story to you. I don't understand the anger you have about another person having a different opinion than yours! Your a good guy, just can't stand any other opinion than your own. Believe me there will be no crying on my behalf if I get the call or not. Would I like to get the call? Sure! But I assure you I'll be just fine if it doesn't happen. I'm not the guy that sits waiting for the next job listing. I just enjoy hearing the positive on this site and even the negative in a fun give and take. All you have is the negative to state and because I have something else to offer you call me ungrateful?? My friend,(John Mccain quote) you really need to get ahold of yourself. It really bothers you that I like the Service and feel it has alot to offer even if it has bad management as you would state. I could go on to much deeper reasons as to why I feel the respect I have for FAMS but that would just be minimizing those reasons for the sake of trying to combat your anger of a job that you continue to cast a negative light on. I hope that you stay safe out there on the street in LE and hope that you continue to fly armed regardless of the problems that TSA, Gate Agents or anyone else might give you. That's because believe it or not everyone else that is getting on the plane and on the ground(if they know it or not) wants you and every FAM to protect them and there loved ones so they never have to experience a lost Birthday, Holiday or anniversary again!!!!! We all appreciate what you and the FAMS do and if you have a problem with the Management then leave it at that and not the service "DUDE".
This has been fun and I hope that your not so bent you wish I shouldn't have another opinion other than yours? I get the call or I don't get the call. I'm still going to feel a hell of alot better knowing those that do and those that I don't know who are protecting me and my family so nothing like the past ever happens again!! God bless brother! Oh and I'll continue to fly first class and tell my kids and wife to act like I don't know you. Even in line! :)

[DWebb]

Don't know how many of you are on the job or just hoping to get on the job in some manner. But, can we all just chill? Not trying to be some peace keeping ----head, but please. Tempers are starting to flare and both of you have valid points. Let's all be gentlemen here and respectfully agree to disagree with the other. My humble two cents...

[jetset1]

Don't know how many of you are on the job or just hoping to get on the job in some manner. But, can we all just chill? Not trying to be some peace keeping ----head, but please. Tempers are starting to flare and both of you have valid points. Let's all be gentlemen here and respectfully agree to disagree with the other. My humble two cents...

Of course!

[Sparkydog]

Just curious for those of you looking to come in what offices are they offering? As for the job, there are some good and bad like any other job. It's not glamorous, unless you like staying in hotels. But, as a former street cop, there was no glamor in arresting drunk either. Some guys love this job, but right now thats what it is a job, not a career. If you guys want it good luck, but remember recruiters only tell you the good.

[manstown]

Just curious for those of you looking to come in what offices are they offering? As for the job, there are some good and bad like any other job. It's not glamorous, unless you like staying in hotels. But, as a former street cop, there was no glamor in arresting drunk either. Some guys love this job, but right now thats what it is a job, not a career. If you guys want it good luck, but remember recruiters only tell you the good.

Good way to put it. It is a job and only that.

"This can't be true! Bearcat made it clear that most FAMS can't wait to get the hell out of dodge!! Prior posts also state that it has nothing to do with ego. How could you be so wrong regarding the day to day nightmares that TSA, GATES AGENTS, and every other person at the airport (who are against the FAMS) cause and want them gone from every plane."

It's post like this that get people worked up. That's the type of arrogance and disrespect that tick people off. I'm just offering what I know first hand from the job. People don't like to read and hear about it because they think they're going to be counter terorrist fighters that save the world. I'm just simply stating that there's much more to the job than the job. If you read my past posts you will see that I've never had an issue with the job itself. It took me places I'd never thought I'd go. What happened outside the job is what makes this one of the worse agencies out there. Me personally....if you get the job I'll just let you figure it out on your own as to what we're talking about. Bearcat makes valid points from both sides, FAMs and LEOs. All of which are spot on.If you get the job....good luck to you. My best advice is keep your nose clean, which is tough in itself because the sky hags look for anything you do wrong and write you up (yes they can write you up also) and keep your mouth shut. Because when it comes down to your word against theirs, management will 90% of the time take theirs. Again, good luck in this adventure. Hope it works out for you and anyone else that gets the job.

[SoCalFed]

You ever had your creds held up in the air (to look for a watermark) in front of God and everyone.....and now everyone in line knows who you are...??

You ever been made to enter a plane before it takes off....and well before the general public is allowed to board.....and as you are sitting in your seat, everyone walking by you with a stupid grin on their faces because they damn sure know who you are.....???

You ever been held up at a TSA Checkpoint because they have no clue how to check you in properly.....then announce to the world they have an Armed Cop needing to get to his flight......then have everyone in the boarding area watch you go to your plane....hence blowing your cover once again.....??


A sad but true reality statement I have experienced first hand countless times...

[airisfine]

Because when it comes down to your word against theirs, management will 90% of the time take theirs. Again, good luck in this adventure. Hope it works out for you and anyone else that gets the job.

Sadly, this part of the job is true, if your right your wrong and if your wrong your wrong. You cant blame gate agents for their ignorance as far as watermarks go. That has happened to anyone in this service at least once. The job is the job though. It will pay for your school. Two internationals means a flat screen tv, a psp with 20 games or a sony e book with a lifetime of e book downloads, the last two toys are a must for any fam as well as a laptop with an extra battery for those 18 hour Hong Kong flights. If you treat this job like the military and realize the boss is always right and you are always wrong, you will love it. Follow the rules, understand the mission comes first no matter how late you are getting back home, and enjoy the free travel, tons of cash, tons of toys.

[Tac]

All-
You can focus on the negative or positive aspects of any employment, with any position, anywhere in the world. Miserable? Then do something else.
Love it? Keep at it then. Either way, remember, its your choice to be there....


Got an email today from FAMS telling me to hang tight.....
Looks like hope is right around the corner....could be a very merry Christmas?

[Patrio72]

All-
You can focus on the negative or positive aspects of any employment, with any position, anywhere in the world. Miserable? Then do something else.
Love it? Keep at it then. Either way, remember, its your choice to be there....


Got an email today from FAMS telling me to hang tight.....
Looks like hope is right around the corner....could be a very merry Christmas?

Did the email come from JoeAvue, Lockheed or an applicant coordinator?

Patriot72

[GoldBadge]

You cant blame gate agents for their ignorance as far as watermarks go.

Why in the hell is a gate agent checking creds for watermarks (or holograms) anyway? Me personally, by the time I reach the gate, my ID has been properly cleared (I won't say by whom for OPSEC reasons).

[airisfine]

Why in the hell is a gate agent checking creds for watermarks (or holograms) anyway? Me personally, by the time I reach the gate, my ID has been properly cleared (I won't say by whom for OPSEC reasons).

By the time a get to the gate it has been cleared also but when your riding shotgun with the boss who still believes we all need to wear suits who is old school, the gate agent and there nephew and brother gets a peek too.

[Bearcat357]

I don't understand the anger you have about another person having a different opinion than yours!

No anger on my part.....it's just disturbing that myself and several others on here have told you and other folks the downside to the job....based on knowledge of working the job....or being around folks that do the job day and and day out.....and you still don't get it..... Thats all....

You seem to think like a lot of folks on here that you are going to be napping terrrorist day in and day out.....that folks are going to bend over and kiss your shoes when you flip your FAMS Creds out......and that management is going to back you everytime something happens..... And that's not the case.....at all......

[Bearcat357]

Why in the hell is a gate agent checking creds for watermarks (or holograms) anyway? Me personally, by the time I reach the gate, my ID has been properly cleared (I won't say by whom for OPSEC reasons).

Depends where you fly out of.....you hit some of the smaller airports....some strange stuff happens..... ;)

[Bearcat357]

A sad but true reality statement I have experienced first hand countless times...

First time I flew out of MCI it happened.....I about beat her with my laptop....

Luckily I had plenty of time.....as I left the line and went and got something to eat....then came back about 40 mins later.....and got through....

But there were still folks in the boarding area and on my A/C that knew who I was.....:mad:

[GoldBadge]

By the time a get to the gate it has been cleared also but when your riding shotgun with the boss who still believes we all need to wear suits who is old school, the gate agent and there nephew and brother gets a peek too.

Good Grief! (http://www.allfordmustangs.com/photopost/data/3243/756great.jpg)

[SLBCO1022]

Bearcat, I appreciate the information. I'd rather hear the truth behind things but everyone should accept that every agency has its downfalls. The fact of gate agents and pilots acting like @sses, so be it. Remember there is always a worst job...I work in Corrections, its the lowest rung in the law enforcment ladder, I deal with scum day in and day out and hear all types of flattering statements and gestures, but I suck it up and respect what I do and those before me. So, next time any of you feel like disgruntle about your agency. Just be happy your not dodging **** and feces in your line of work. just my humble opinion. :)

[SoCalFed]

I don't think anyone is trying to make the FAMS look bad, rather give a more reality based view. Unfortunately another well known LE job website only welcomes your opinion if it is positive. Anything negative and it is considered bashing, no matter how true it is. That is a total disservice to all perspective job applicants.

I'm not a FAM, but have a close friend who is and have known several others who *were* FAMS at one point in time, but went back to their previous jobs. Why did they leave? The prior FAMS went back to their old LE jobs because the level of LE oriented activity was much higher at their old agencies. In my travels, the only FAMS with PRIOR federal service who seemed to enjoy their job and weren't trying to get back to their old job were Bureau of Prisons folks. Does that mean the FAMS is a bad job? Absolutely not. I think you will be much happier in any job if you know what it is really about (not just the recruiter point of view) BEFORE you're hired.

In sum, if you understand the FAMS mission *and* have a realistic outlook on the job itself (including hours, promotion potential, non-investigative nature of position, etc.) and want to become a FAM (not just see it as a stepping stone) it can be a great position...

[cpdsullivan117]

Five classes this year, one already at fletc, one already filled, three left to go, they are filling them right now

Has anybody on this forum received a call like this yet? I'd imagine these calls will probably slow down as the holidays approach, but hopefully not. anybody else waitin on a medical or been scheduled for one as of late?

[Up_On_Base]

I don't think anyone is trying to make the FAMS look bad, rather give a more reality based view. Unfortunately another well known LE job website only welcomes your opinion if it is positive. Anything negative and it is considered bashing, no matter how true it is. That is a total disservice to all perspective job applicants.

I'm not a FAM, but have a close friend who is and have known several others who *were* FAMS at one point in time, but went back to their previous jobs. Why did they leave? The prior FAMS went back to their old LE jobs because the level of LE oriented activity was much higher at their old agencies. In my travels, the only FAMS with PRIOR federal service who seemed to enjoy their job and weren't trying to get back to their old job were Bureau of Prisons folks. Does that mean the FAMS is a bad job? Absolutely not. I think you will be much happier in any job if you know what it is really about (not just the recruiter point of view) BEFORE you're hired.

In sum, if you understand the FAMS mission *and* have a realistic outlook on the job itself (including hours, promotion potential, non-investigative nature of position, etc.) and want to become a FAM (not just see it as a stepping stone) it can be a great position...

Great post.

I am also hearing that FAMS is expanding their roles beyond today's mission, it will take time but I "think" FAMS will evolve/morph into a more proactive LE agency.

[airisfine]

Has anybody on this forum received a call like this yet? I'd imagine these calls will probably slow down as the holidays approach, but hopefully not. anybody else waitin on a medical or been scheduled for one as of late?

To clarify, you will be in a slot for a call and will not know it. When I stated they are filling them right now, they are filling the spread sheets with the must hire prospects for the last three classes of this fiscal 09. When you get a call for the medical, in the new and improved process you are getting the offer the same day within minutes of passing the medical. Due to the fact they do not want you sitting around the FO for months you may not get the call for a while. What you want to hear is a call for the medical because now that is the same thing as an offer practically. The call/offer will come probably 4-6 weeks before you are classed up based upon the first two of 09

[cpdsullivan117]

Very good to know. Thanks for the info.

[PigsdoFly]

It will pay for your school.


Huh? Do you mean because of the money we make or that the Gov will pay because of end of business today they still weren't giving a cent.

[GuyinCali]

To clarify, you will be in a slot for a call and will not know it. When I stated they are filling them right now, they are filling the spread sheets with the must hire prospects for the last three classes of this fiscal 09. When you get a call for the medical, in the new and improved process you are getting the offer the same day within minutes of passing the medical. Due to the fact they do not want you sitting around the FO for months you may not get the call for a while. What you want to hear is a call for the medical because now that is the same thing as an offer practically. The call/offer will come probably 4-6 weeks before you are classed up based upon the first two of 09

QUESTION: What about those of us that have completed every step? I completed everything: Panel Interview, BI equip, fingerprints, SAC Interview, PTA & Medical this past April.

Last time I heard from anyone I was asked about my DD214, then told my packet complete and going on the hiring managers desk.

Do you think it's still on the hiring managers desk? Last time I heard anything was April.

Praying on the "Call" for an EOD...

[PigsdoFly]

later this year, the only way you sit in the field office for more then a month or so now is if you were prior fed. now, i hear prior feds have to go to fletc again as of the third class for fiscal year 09, the push is for leo not on the fed level even though it is more expensive. this outfit is turning into a revolving door for prior feds because they have something to compare this agency to probably, it is what it is. good thing is avue is out and lockheed is in for the hiring process and it will be much more streamlined, no more year long wait for hire unless you get your app in to late

Ohh its true but try the second class not the third

[PigsdoFly]

A lot of people on here have a lot of information and opinions to share about this job and law enforcement in general, but coming from a FAM this job is what it is. I know it’s been beat to death but this job isn’t the glamorous counter terrorism crime fighting Jack Bauer want-to-be position. It is a flying Federal Law Enforcement Officer position which allows you to see the world on the government’s dime. Manstown (who is a great guy that I personally know and have worked with) and Bearcat (whom I don’t personally know but seems like a stand up guy) have a great deal of knowledge about this job. Sure there are A LOT of bad things but there are also a great deal of good things that come out of it too. It is what you make of it and you have to be willing to take positions other places to get ahead and get some time out of the air. Sure the management really is horrible and there needs to be a mix up to get rid of the good ole’ boy program. But you get great training, great pay, all the travel, and if you respect the job you will get a good sense of patriotism out of it. This is one of the easiest jobs you can do but what happens behind the scenes is what the problem is as Manstown has stated in previous posts, I can be a witness of what he is talking about. In the recent few months the agency is really taking a turn for the better and I feel in the next few years (because of the opportunities available) this will be a much more desirable agency. I’m sure some will disagree with me but if you could all see what is happening in the background (which I can’t discuss) then you might agree.

It takes a special person to do this job; it is very tiring and will burn you out, not mention you need to have an understanding family life at home. You will read on here about new hires fresh on the flight line loving the job and others who have been doing the job for the last 7 years that absolutely hate it. This could be that the recent hires are coming on at a good time and they are experiencing the new opportunities that are out there or just because they are naïve and really don’t know too much yet. I would most likely bet on the latter. There are tons and tons of BS you put up with everyday from the airline employees and just regular people, you will see how many idiots are out there. What Bearcat has said about flying armed is very true, sometimes it’s a breeze and others you just want to crawl into a hole and die because you have been ousted. If you have put in for this job then the best of luck to you, I think this is a great way to get in the federal door for local LEOs and military. Many people use this just as that and a stepping stone into something better, and I am all for that. If your not happy then move on and let someone else get in there who wants to do it. I really don’t think this job is for those of you who are not prior law enforcement because some of the concepts are a tad bit harder to grasp. But who am I to say anything I’m just another statistic on a piece of paper. I wish you all the best.

[cart pusher]

September 2007 Applied old announcement
September 2007 Conditional Offer of Employment
Submitted all Background, financial, mental and medical authorizations
Fingerprints

January 2008 Reapplied on new announcement
April 2008 Phone interview (new announcement)
April 15, 2008 COE
April 2008 Panel Interview & UA Test, PTA & UA Test
June 2008 Received Email: "The Federal Air Marshal Service is not anticipating any additional hiring activities for Federal Air Marshals in the near future. However, we will keep your application on file for consideration for future hiring opportunities."

[manstown]

A lot of people on here have a lot of information and opinions to share about this job and law enforcement in general, but coming from a FAM this job is what it is. I know it’s been beat to death but this job isn’t the glamorous counter terrorism crime fighting Jack Bauer want-to-be position. It is a flying Federal Law Enforcement Officer position which allows you to see the world on the government’s dime. Manstown (who is a great guy that I personally know and have worked with) and Bearcat (whom I don’t personally know but seems like a stand up guy) have a great deal of knowledge about this job. Sure there are A LOT of bad things but there are also a great deal of good things that come out of it too. It is what you make of it and you have to be willing to take positions other places to get ahead and get some time out of the air. Sure the management really is horrible and there needs to be a mix up to get rid of the good ole’ boy program. But you get great training, great pay, all the travel, and if you respect the job you will get a good sense of patriotism out of it. This is one of the easiest jobs you can do but what happens behind the scenes is what the problem is as Manstown has stated in previous posts, I can be a witness of what he is talking about. In the recent few months the agency is really taking a turn for the better and I feel in the next few years (because of the opportunities available) this will be a much more desirable agency. I’m sure some will disagree with me but if you could all see what is happening in the background (which I can’t discuss) then you might agree.

It takes a special person to do this job; it is very tiring and will burn you out, not mention you need to have an understanding family life at home. You will read on here about new hires fresh on the flight line loving the job and others who have been doing the job for the last 7 years that absolutely hate it. This could be that the recent hires are coming on at a good time and they are experiencing the new opportunities that are out there or just because they are naïve and really don’t know too much yet. I would most likely bet on the latter. There are tons and tons of BS you put up with everyday from the airline employees and just regular people, you will see how many idiots are out there. What Bearcat has said about flying armed is very true, sometimes it’s a breeze and others you just want to crawl into a hole and die because you have been ousted. If you have put in for this job then the best of luck to you, I think this is a great way to get in the federal door for local LEOs and military. Many people use this just as that and a stepping stone into something better, and I am all for that. If your not happy then move on and let someone else get in there who wants to do it. I really don’t think this job is for those of you who are not prior law enforcement because some of the concepts are a tad bit harder to grasp. But who am I to say anything I’m just another statistic on a piece of paper. I wish you all the best.

You're my boy blue!!!!!!!

[Md094]

I believe many points made about being a FAM are applicable many law enforcement careers. My first chief told me that he sees the following happen in with almost every officer. An officer (insert FAM) seems to believe he knows everything about his job around 3 years into it. Then around 7 years, he will usually get burned out. After a short time period the officer will come out of the burned out stage and be a productive/happy employee again. This will often happen again around 10-12 years of service.

I have personally gone through this and witnessed it happen in many of my fellow brothers in blue. I believe many of the FAMs hired after 9/11 might be going through this right now.

Now, I have only started meeting FAMs and many of them are very top notch employees who are highly motivated and have a lot of knowledge to offer. Many of these have been on for 6-7 years. Yes, many of them talk about how they are tired of flying but they are excited about the future possiblities coming to the agency.

Personally, I hope the agency's role keeps expanding to provide even more opportunities for FAMs. I am also hoping 1811 will come someday, but I know it will be awhile if it does.

Good luck to everyone! Stay Safe!!!

[airisfine]

Pigs do fly, good post, you sound like you have your finger on the pulse of this agency. You make a good point, alot of new options out there, especially in the bigger field offices The reason I stated third was is in the second class there is a prior fed, the last one.

[airisfine]

QUESTION: What about those of us that have completed every step? I completed everything: Panel Interview, BI equip, fingerprints, SAC Interview, PTA & Medical this past April.

Last time I heard from anyone I was asked about my DD214, then told my packet complete and going on the hiring managers desk.

Do you think it's still on the hiring managers desk? Last time I heard anything was April.

Praying on the "Call" for an EOD...
if you heard its on the desk you may already be slotted but wont know for a while It would make sense you are on the top of the list if they have paid for your medical because that is the last step before the offer usually. If some slots were turned down you would probably have got the call in the last classes. I would be pretty optimistic you get a slot but as you know, ultimatly its a crap shoot Also depends what field office and how many they need. bout 50 a class 2 0f 5 filled, bout 150 left is a good guess

[Thor1911]

I finally got a reply to one of my emails and the recruiter said that the board will meet this quarter and make some selections. When we get "the call" is anyones's guess after that. I am hoping for a special Christmas! :)

[Patrio72]

Thor -
When/where did you do your PTA?

[Thor1911]

Thor -
When/where did you do your PTA?
At the FO outside of Detroit back in March or April.
What about yourself?

[Patrio72]

PT/written tests - 4/26/08

I was never contacted regarding the fingerprints and E-QIP (although they had my fingerprint cards and background info from the 2006 announcement).

Did you complete all the steps?

Patriot72

[manstown]

I am also hoping 1811 will come someday, but I know it will be awhile if it does.

Not sure that will ever happen given the fact that the FAMS mission is to stop any terrorist attacks, which incidently is the biggest thing going with the FBI. If the FBI wants to hand that aspect of their job over to the FAMS then maybe they'll get their 1811. But really, I don't see that happening. Hope it does though for those I know who are still with the FAMS.

[wfoss]

Any updates on the new hiring system? I saw that some of you guys said lockheed was coordinating it now, but not sure if its already set up or still in progress. This is my first post by the way. I applied under the old announcement and didn't get any response at all. I am a former USSS/UD like UpOnBase so I thought that might help in the process, I guess not. Any and all help is appreciated.

[Doggie123]

Any idea when the newark/south orange field office is starting interviews?

[Up_On_Base]

Any updates on the new hiring system? I saw that some of you guys said lockheed was coordinating it now, but not sure if its already set up or still in progress. This is my first post by the way. I applied under the old announcement and didn't get any response at all. I am a former USSS/UD like UpOnBase so I thought that might help in the process, I guess not. Any and all help is appreciated.

LOTS of former UD at FAMS...it should help that both agencies have similar missions and culture.

What FO's did you put in for? That could be a major factor on why no contact, hang tight they are doing another round of interviews/PT/etc now.

Good luck!!!

[futurefed21]

Any idea when the newark/south orange field office is starting interviews?

jus did mine few days ago bro..

[Thor1911]

PT/written tests - 4/26/08

I was never contacted regarding the fingerprints and E-QIP (although they had my fingerprint cards and background info from the 2006 announcement).

Did you complete all the steps?

Patriot72

I have done everything, some things even twice! I applied under the 2006 application and was told to re-apply under the newer announcement in March 2008. I did 2 E-Quips, finger prints, they have quereied my credit, passed my PT (tested twice and passed both times even ran my 1.5 miles under 9:30 the second time), passed my written test, two pannel interviews, and 2 drugs tests.

At this point I am just waiting for a call to report to the FO and hopefully training shortly thereafter.

I can not wait to give my current job their 2 weeks!!!

[GuyinCali]

I have done everything, some things even twice! I applied under the 2006 application and was told to re-apply under the newer announcement in March 2008. I did 2 E-Quips, finger prints, they have quereied my credit, passed my PT (tested twice and passed both times even ran my 1.5 miles under 9:30 the second time), passed my written test, two pannel interviews, and 2 drugs tests.

At this point I am just waiting for a call to report to the FO and hopefully training shortly thereafter.

I can not wait to give my current job their 2 weeks!!!


Did you also complete your medical? My process is similar to yours, I complete everything to include medical, at WFO 2006, then twice at FO 2007 & April 2008 was the last time... Good Luck.

Praying on the "Call" for an EOD...

[Thor1911]

Did you also complete your medical? My process is similar to yours, I complete everything to include medical, at WFO 2006, then twice at FO 2007 & April 2008 was the last time... Good Luck.

Praying on the "Call" for an EOD...

I did my medical in February 2008 under the 2006 application. To my knowledge, I was never required to take a second medical because my new application was done in March/April, so the medical was still valid.

[Up_On_Base]

I did my medical in February 2008 under the 2006 application. To my knowledge, I was never required to take a second medical because my new application was done in March/April, so the medical was still valid.

You will probably need to perform medical again, it's almost 2009.

[Thor1911]

You will probably need to perform medical again, it's almost 2009.

I will gladly redo the medical if it means I get an offer faster. I am coming up on the end of the age limit, so something has to happen for me pretty fast.

[Patrio72]

How close are you to 37 and where in MI are you located?

Patriot72

[Up_On_Base]

I will gladly redo the medical if it means I get an offer faster. I am coming up on the end of the age limit, so something has to happen for me pretty fast.

3 oil checks...yikes!!!!!!!!!!!

[justdoitking]

As many of you may now know that the FAMS won their overtime lawsuit. things have to change. As they can not afford to continue to pay LEAP and overtime.

Looks FAMS has been mismanaged without question, but the question is not what happened in the past but what the future holds. As it is a chunk of the budget in back pay to 1,805 FAMS/Ex FAMS, although they should have got it right in the first place.

[justdoitking]

Keep in mind if you are a veteran; If you are a veteran, do you really have an age limit? This question needs asked, Merit Systems Protection Board (MSPB) case, Isabella v. Department of State, 2008 MSPB 146 (July 2, 2008). The Board has found that agencies must waive the maximum entry age requirement in limited situation where: (1) the applicant is preference eligible (i.e., has veterans preference status); and (2) the maximum age requirement is not essential to the performance of the duties of the position. We already know 37 is not essential as in 2002 they recruited up to the age of 40.

[justdoitking]

How many people out there have already completed their FAM medical? Email me please. More to come on this issue in the next few months!

[Bearcat357]

Keep in mind if you are a veteran; If you are a veteran, do you really have an age limit? This question needs asked, Merit Systems Protection Board (MSPB) case, Isabella v. Department of State, 2008 MSPB 146 (July 2, 2008). The Board has found that agencies must waive the maximum entry age requirement in limited situation where: (1) the applicant is preference eligible (i.e., has veterans preference status); and (2) the maximum age requirement is not essential to the performance of the duties of the position. We already know 37 is not essential as in 2002 they recruited up to the age of 40.

That is a one time deal..... No one else has challenged it based on the ruling....

I seriously doubt that it will work for other agencies.....but you never know....

[nec]

How many people out there have already completed their FAM medical? Email me please. More to come on this issue in the next few months!

i've done my medical. but i have not heard anything regarding PT since April.:(:(
it's the only step left.i've done everything else.

[Up_On_Base]

According to another forum I read, someone mentioned a new k-9 program for FAMS.

Any info on this?

[LS1]

I don't think it's anything new. The OLE/FAMS have had a K-9 program (http://www.tsa.gov/lawenforcement/programs/editorial_1886.shtm) for a couple of years, unless there's something newer on the horizon.

[PigsdoFly]

Keep in mind if you are a veteran; If you are a veteran, do you really have an age limit? This question needs asked, Merit Systems Protection Board (MSPB) case, Isabella v. Department of State, 2008 MSPB 146 (July 2, 2008). The Board has found that agencies must waive the maximum entry age requirement in limited situation where: (1) the applicant is preference eligible (i.e., has veterans preference status); and (2) the maximum age requirement is not essential to the performance of the duties of the position. We already know 37 is not essential as in 2002 they recruited up to the age of 40.

I can assure you this doesn't apply to the FAMS. People have sued and lost. If your not appointed by 37 your done.

[PigsdoFly]

As many of you may now know that the FAMS won their overtime lawsuit. things have to change. As they can not afford to continue to pay LEAP and overtime.

Looks FAMS has been mismanaged without question, but the question is not what happened in the past but what the future holds. As it is a chunk of the budget in back pay to 1,805 FAMS/Ex FAMS, although they should have got it right in the first place.

We will continue to get LEAP and Overtime, we already do get overtime.

[Up_On_Base]

We will continue to get LEAP and Overtime, we already do get overtime.

Wasn't the lawsuit about scheduled OT, which is different than LEAP? LEAP is for unscheduled OT correct?

That is why the payment will be made to current/ex FAMS.

[PigsdoFly]

Wasn't the lawsuit about scheduled OT, which is different than LEAP? LEAP is for unscheduled OT correct?

That is why the payment will be made to current/ex FAMS.

It was about being scheduled working during LEAP hours, which is against federal law. You can't be scheduled for LEAP it is there in case your day runs over 8 hrs for various reasons.

[futurefed21]

oh wow i never knew that i thought LEAP covered all extra hours..ok so let me see if i understand this...say your flight is delayed for 3 hours then you cant claim that time as OT; its covered by LEAP...but now say they need you to work someone else's shift then you get paid actual OT?

[manstown]

The first part is correct. If something happens that is out of your hands as far as flights, it's LEAP. LEAP can not be scheduled. Which is what the FAMS were/are doing. If you were scheduled to work say, 9 hours and 59 minutes that would be OT because it was scheduled. FAMS considered that LEAP (hence the lawsuit). Now if you were scheduled for say, 8 hours and had delays for whatever reason, then anything after the 8 hours falls under LEAP.

[futurefed21]

gotcha thanks for clearing that up!

[justdoitking]

I can assure you this doesn't apply to the FAMS. People have sued and lost. If your not appointed by 37 your done.

yes, I am aware fo some the EEOC cases arounfd the age limits that have been lost in the past.

Here after they can not limit it to 37 since they did recruit at 40. Apparently this case does not go retroactive according to TSA. However, some of the applicants that got denied based on age, will be testing the TSA theory.

[Up_On_Base]

yes, I am aware fo some the EEOC cases arounfd the age limits that have been lost in the past.

Here after they can not limit it to 37 since they did recruit at 40. Apparently this case does not go retroactive according to TSA. However, some of the applicants that got denied based on age, will be testing the TSA theory.

Good luck, no one on here can give you the answer...only the Gods of OPM/FAMS have that info.

[Short-Round]

I bet they have forgotten about me or lost all of my stuff. I tried calling the Human Resource people of FAMS. What does everyone think about them not using AVUE anymore, think our stuff was tossed in the trash or lost?

[DWebb]

I bet they have forgotten about me or lost all of my stuff. I tried calling the Human Resource people of FAMS. What does everyone think about them not using AVUE anymore, think our stuff was tossed in the trash or lost?

This was my first attempt at the FAMS process. I've been a cop in SoCal for 13 years and have tested with many agencies while considering lateraling to other agencies and states. This was by FAR the worst testing experience I have had. Avue was worthless in EVERY respect. A big problem is the lack of support personnel by the FAMS to assist applicants during the process and answer questions. I don't even get calls back from most people, including my B.I. I do want this job. I suppose the reason they don't seem to care about applicants is because of the volume of applicants that keep coming back.

[Tac]

hey all. Happy Thanksgiving. Here's hoping we get "the call" soon so we can have a Happy Holiday Season!

[justdoitking]

I bet they have forgotten about me or lost all of my stuff. I tried calling the Human Resource people of FAMS. What does everyone think about them not using AVUE anymore, think our stuff was tossed in the trash or lost?

President Elect gave his position on the new contract! Outsourcing is no good and it is not cheaper for sure! Look how many times each person has completed a part of the assessment and the cost to recruit how many FAMS a Year? Not many:mad:

Hopefully Bobby Bray gets it right this time!

[287cpd]

I applied for the position in March of 2008. I received the email stating I was qualified and should here from them soon regarding the phone interview. November 2008 and I am still waiting for the phone interview and I applied for all locations. Any suggestions.

[audi0xpl0de]

I applied for the position in March of 2008. I received the email stating I was qualified and should here from them soon regarding the phone interview. November 2008 and I am still waiting for the phone interview and I applied for all locations. Any suggestions.

You'll probably have to reapply once they open up again. They went into a hiring freeze. You should have received an email stating this and explaining the situation.

[Short-Round]

I applied for the position in March of 2008. I received the email stating I was qualified and should here from them soon regarding the phone interview. November 2008 and I am still waiting for the phone interview and I applied for all locations. Any suggestions.

I applied round the same time as you as well. But I got the phone interview, panel interview, PT test, and testing. Then I got that email of the freeze and a week or two later a Conditional Offer. Then a month or two later I got a call asking for transcripts and records. Haven't heard anything in about 2 months since.

So I figure if you haven't got any of that then re-apply when it opens again. I may have to as well since I can't get a word from anyone.

[287cpd]

I understand AVUE will not handle the process next time around. Any idea's on the next round and when?

[Thor1911]

I understand AVUE will not handle the process next time around. Any idea's on the next round and when?

I have heard March 2009 is when they will begin the new application process. I believe Lockheed Martin is the company that will handle the process again.

[rbakous1]

I have heard March 2009 is when they will begin the new application process. I believe Lockheed Martin is the company that will handle the process again.

This is straight from the FAM.

RE: Upcomming FAM Employment Announcement
Monday, December 1, 2008 11:57 AM
From:
"FAMSemployment" <FAMSemployment@secureskies.net>


Early January 2009. www.usajobs.opm.gov

[Short-Round]

Hey does anyone know a way to figure out if that announcement is true then does that void the AVUE stuff if you already hold a conditional offer?

Just trying to figure out if it does go that way whether or not I will have to re-apply.

[jeepsrt8]

First post here, I'm 32 and have been with the BOP for 2 yrs now (CO), I have a wife and two great kids (girl-3, and a boy-1) I've been looking into FAMS for some time now, after talking it over with the wife we diceded to take the chance and apply to the FAMS. I have a few Q's , first off for any one who has the offer on the table, did u get ur first duty station? My wife has asked me if this New job would make us move away from family, i told her i'm not sure only time would tell. I found out thier are 21 field offices in the country, where are they located? I was told before my time a LT and a few CO's have gone on to the FAMs and have not looked back. any feed back would be great. Thanks

[Up_On_Base]

First post here, I'm 32 and have been with the BOP for 2 yrs now (CO), I have a wife and two great kids (girl-3, and a boy-1) I've been looking into FAMS for some time now, after talking it over with the wife we diceded to take the chance and apply to the FAMS. I have a few Q's , first off for any one who has the offer on the table, did u get ur first duty station? My wife has asked me if this New job would make us move away from family, i told her i'm not sure only time would tell. I found out thier are 21 field offices in the country, where are they located? I was told before my time a LT and a few CO's have gone on to the FAMs and have not looked back. any feed back would be great. Thanks

Depends where you are in New England.

Most new FAMS are going to major cities, NYC/Newark/Boston/LA/SF/DC.

If there is a major airport, there is a good chance there is a FAMS FO.

Good luck