Air Marshal Job Open !

[manstown]

coming from a new hire, I can also agree with Big Sexy as to the ridiculousness of the 'no women' statement. Dont want to go above my new paygrade, but lets say I work in a co-ed enviornment, and the people around me are all new


Drepol,

Sent you a Pm. Wondering what you thought so far. If you can't reply back I understand, just wanted to know how things were so far.

[80cop]

Anyone going to be reporting to the NYFO on the 17th of October?
For those of you that are there could you tell me what a typical day is?

[gonefishin]

Anyone going to be reporting to the NYFO on the 17th of October?
For those of you that are there could you tell me what a typical day is?


I'll be there on the 31st...save me a good seat!!!!!

[Dawg3787]

Ill be there as well, NYFO on the 31st, Hope to see you there.

[kokopelli]

Does anyone know if FAMS will have the courtesy to let an applicant know if they are no longer being considered for hire? I completed the entire process- last thing was medical on September 6, and have not heard squat from anyone about anything.
If I'm out of the running, fine- just let me know so I can stop wondering and get on with my life!

[0351]

Have your employers been contacted?
My BI was only conducted last week, and so I was only even to the hiring panel last friday. Still waiting on the call... hopefully they start going out again soon.

[soxfan]

KOKO, same here. Rushed me through the whole process and been done since Sept 6. BI done. Just doesnt make any sense. Hope to hear one way or another, soon

[gonefishin]

KOKO, same here. Rushed me through the whole process and been done since Sept 6. BI done. Just doesnt make any sense. Hope to hear one way or another, soon


soxfan,
(I like the name!!) I see that you are from NJ. Don;t know if you were aware but if you did your medical in Newark there apparently was some screw up sending out the compleated medicals to FAMS. I read on another site that there was a 2 week delay in sending out the medical paperwork. Might want to call AVUE to see if they have your medical paperwork. Good Luck...anyone thats a Sox Fan should get an offer!!!!!!

[COBRA29]

As a former Marshal I would say that if you are finished with the whole process you have to wait for a training date and that wont happen until they decide what hub you are going to. They hire based on a Hub needs. And that may take a minute depending on how many have been hired already. So I would say standby cause they will call you when you least expect it.


Good Luck
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[soxfan]

THX GF, I read that the peeps from Newark got their medical mixed up. Fortunately, I was a Atlantic City prodigy. I was sent to Philly for the whole process. Georgia huh? I was stationed at Robins AFB for the better part of 6 years. Loved GA.

[SD5326]

Anyone have any idea when they might start hiring for the left coast?

[Dlbomber1]

Hey guys hows everyone? I just applied to FAM's on last sunday and got my conditional offer email etc.....Put in all my info on the background check. Now, with that i contacted my local recruiter and he told me a few things that may clear up a few issues to why your still waiting and U have completed the process. He told me that those who have been called were last minute rush ins to fill the spaces from the original hiring fiscal year of 255 individuals. He said all the others who make it through will be on a hiring class of this fiscal year. Yet there is no definate date due to they have not submitted a new budget for this year so they dont know if they can hire or not. But you will be on hold until further notice. When they get the info abou the budget then we will probally hear something soon after. Maybe even immediate so im assuming to be prepared.
On another note Im goin to let ya know a little about me since im new here. I served as a Communications tech as a Marine for 4 years then did military police in the army reserves. I have been somewhat preparing to get into the FBI so im a fulltime student on my last year in getting two degrees one in Criminal justice and the other in Computer Information systems. Along the wait I have been gaining skills in IT/telecommunications. I recently decided that after 9 years of this experience and two degrees, I was tired of not being in the field I loved so my next step was here. I am hoping with my background and experience I can be one of the few selected.
So far ive completed all the paperwork required and it seems like ive got a later start then some of u being I just applied sunday lol. So im hoping things will go quickly for me. So heres a few questions i wanted to ask.
So for those of you who are scheduled to go on Oct 17th and 31st, so are you expected to move yourself with no relocation assistance? And did they tell u where you would be stationed yet? My recruiter told me that Washington and New York still needed thier qoutas filled. My question is where are all these people going to go? And where are the people who were there before? Anyway curiousity killed the cat. So if anyone sees this reply back if youd like.

[xray2j]

Thanks for the intell Dlbomber1

[LilBit]

although i've been reading the posts for awhile, this is my first post. i just completed my final step in the application process yesterday, the psychologist interview, although my first step was the panel interview back on aug. 31. i did have to do some follow-up after my medical exam b/c a couple things were flagged (the clinic's "reliable" vision test was "stand here at this spot in the hallway and read the chart on the door" ... turns out they said i was 20/30, so i had to go to my eye doctor to fill out a form saying that i am in fact 20/20). oh well.

now it's just time to wait and see if i get an offer. i do have to say, as a woman, i'm curious about the number of females they're hiring (or even putting thru the app process).

[80cop]

FAMS FLETC
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Can someone share with the group how the FLETC is run. What should I know before attending and what should I prepare for?

Thanks!

[widowmkr]

I am A FAMS applicant, have done the interview and medical @NJ. Have not heard anything in reference to the psych. The questions i have are 1 is there any truth to the rumors that those who took the medical in NJ are delayed 2 weeks because of a screw up. 2. when do they let you know if you passed the interview. 3 how long does this whole process take. Can anyone out there advise me or point me in the right direction. If it is true that the medicals from NJ are late, should i call up Avue and ask if they got my medical?....Thank you all in advance for any advice or assistance that you can give me..

Respectfully
WIDOWMKR

[0351]

I don't know if it's still accurate, but for a lot of us the call for the psych appointment came 7-10 days after the interview. When was yours?

[widowmkr]

My interview was a month ago and my medical was 2 weeks ago

[xray2j]

3 how long does this whole process take. WIDOWMKR
From what I have read(here and elsewhere), from what I know(not much), and from what I have heard from other applicants that I know personally, the time of the whole process varies.. A LOT! from app to app. That much I know for sure.

[widowmkr]

Does FAMS Notify you if you failed the interview. I mean it does not make much sense if you fail the intreview and still have you do the medical. Does anyone have any insight into this?

[ChrisLe]

Does FAMS Notify you if you failed the interview. I mean it does not make much sense if you fail the intreview and still have you do the medical. Does anyone have any insight into this?

When I spoke to my recruiter he told me the minute you fail any part of the process (medical, interview, psych, drug test, etc), your application process ends right then and there. For example, if you fail your interview you will have your medical cancelled (assuming its after your interview), and you will not be scheduled for your psyc. Also, despite the fact that i know several people who did not pass the interview, none have received letters as of yet. They just did not go any further in the process...

[PPDMO373]

I agree, I dont think the averge joe cop has the training or skills to stop a hijacking.

Last I hear the only thing the Feds could do successfully was hold a press conference and tell everyone what a great job they did after the locals did all the grunt work...... :rolleyes:

[widowmkr]

Well I hope I hear something soon, the suspense sucks. The day I had the interview, right after I was handed fingerprint cards and was told to have them done right away which I did. All of the other required documentation has been sent in. Does anyone know if they notify you when your BI begins? I already have TS with the Military and from what I have heard it is transferable to any other agency. Does anyone know if that is true?
Thanks again for all the advice

[xray2j]

Does FAMS Notify you if you failed the interview.

I was told by the Dr. who did the psych interview there really wasn't a "pass or fail" but that each portion was given a rating. (Except medical) All portions would be added to a final score to produce a ranking. The hire list started at the top and worked down as they needed to fill vacancies.

Here is what bothers me. I, like many, have been done for a while (middle of sept) so did I make it on the list that those who got the call on the last day of FY05 were on ? and I didn

[widowmkr]

Will AVUE let you know when the BI begins? Will an investigator contact you in person or is this whole process a guessing game?

[0351]

Will AVUE let you know when the BI begins? Will an investigator contact you in person or is this whole process a guessing game?
To my knowledge, for a majority of the process you only know what's happening outside your control if they have a question to ask you or there's something missing.

[widowmkr]

Well I hope i hear something soon the suspense realy sucks

[SD5326]

This is only my third post to this website but it seems like we're all going through the same thing right now. Wouldn't worry about it too much. You'll get the call when you least expect it. Just make sure you got the phone near you at all times. After they hire the initial amount that was posted on the vacancy(FY05). It will come at anytime ..........sooner or later it will come, good (hired) or bad (not hired). Buena Suerte!

[80cop]

For all of you who are still waiting "for the call" try to be patient, I know how hard it is, I was in the same boat, its aweful.

I know if you call AVUE and are done the whole process they will tell you it is in the hands of FAMS.. Is this true? I have no idea. When I called AVUE they told me they cannot give me any information except that the process is complete and to wait by the phone or watch my email. I got the call about a week later.. Pray for a phone call and not an email.
You will get the call when you least expect it. They will give you 14 days notice for your current employment. I have no idea what goes on in the FO's but if you have any questions wth the employment process feel free to send me a PM and GOODLUCK TO YOU ALL...

[xray2j]

Will AVUE let you know when the BI begins? Will an investigator contact you in person or is this whole process a guessing game?

Avue has yet to contact me other than by email other than my COE and general info. All those looked like form letters to me.

I was notified by my supervisor that my BI had begun. My sup said the BI guy said he was just "finishing up my BI" but pretty sure that was just the prelim BI. Although I do work for DHS now, so not sure how deep they when into my background as of yet.

[Dlbomber1]

I applied on Oct 5th and I got my COE on Oct 5th and completed all my signed paperwork the same day. Now im dying here wondering if since i applied after Oct would I even be looked at at all. I guess reading these posts I shouldnt be impatient im just overanxious. I did have a question about the interviews and medical trips. Are these expenses paid for or are they our responsibility? Whichever is fine I would just love to be prepared.
I have a pretty Clean background and as far as I know have pretty decent credit. Are they looking for AAA credit? lol. This is all new to me about waiting and not knowing about a job. So can anyone answer any of these questions? :rolleyes:

[80cop]

I applied on Oct 5th and I got my COE on Oct 5th and completed all my signed paperwork the same day. Now im dying here wondering if since i applied after Oct would I even be looked at at all. I guess reading these posts I shouldnt be impatient im just overanxious. I did have a question about the interviews and medical trips. Are these expenses paid for or are they our responsibility? Whichever is fine I would just love to be prepared.
I have a pretty Clean background and as far as I know have pretty decent credit. Are they looking for AAA credit? lol. This is all new to me about waiting and not knowing about a job. So can anyone answer any of these questions? :rolleyes:

Congrats DLBomber1, from the time I got my CEO it was about 20 days till i got an interview. then another 2 weeks for medical and psych. I am not sure if the process is moving as fast now that the FY year is over.
The psych and medical are taken care of by FAMS. I did have to pay 10 dollars for my fingerprints though haha.

[LilBit]

geez, i had to pay $32 for my fingerprints! (not to mention overnighting them.)

that was a good question about the credit check part of the BI - what are they looking for? to make sure you haven't declared bankruptcy or what?

[80cop]

geez, i had to pay $32 for my fingerprints! (not to mention overnighting them.)

that was a good question about the credit check part of the BI - what are they looking for? to make sure you haven't declared bankruptcy or what?
Good Call LilBit,

I had to have them done twice! When the process was moving really fast before I interviewed, I had fingerprints done on the wrong forms . Then AVUE said I needed a new form so I had to pay 10 bucks and have them overnighted again! so total cost about 38 dollars

[widowmkr]

You can have a bankruptcy on your record, they wont hold it against you. In response to women getting hired by FAMS, they do hire a lot of females as they are harder to point out as air marshals

[widowmkr]

For those of you reporting to the NYFO on 17 and 31 oct, Have you been offered a job or is it for more test. Trying to get a feel as to where i stand with this COE and if there is any likelyhood of been hired before the end of the year.
Thanks again for any advice anyone can give me

[0351]

For those of you reporting to the NYFO on 17 and 31 oct, Have you been offered a job or is it for more test. Trying to get a feel as to where i stand with this COE and if there is any likelyhood of been hired before the end of the year.
Thanks again for any advice anyone can give me
They're hired... there's no more tests, unless you count getting the TS clearance.
There's reason to believe there will be more hiring, this lull may be the result of FLETC classes being full until January, or budgeting for the new fiscal year.

[widowmkr]

[QUOTE=0351]They're hired... there's no more tests, unless you count getting the TS clearance.
There's reason to believe there will be more hiring, this lull may be the result of FLETC classes being full until January, or budgeting for the new fiscal year.[/QUOTE



Well now I know why I have not heard anything. Oh well I am not holding my breath for this anymore. I am a little dissapointed with the whole process.
Thanks for the Information

[soxfan]

I know we all are getting frustrated. Hurry up and wait has always been the Govt motto. I've been done since Sept 6. Seems like ages ago.

[LilBit]

my whole process was a little drawn out - first i did the panel on aug. 31 and the last thing was the psych interview on oct. 5. and even though it's only been a little over a week, you can't help but be anxious, hoping you'll hear something (something good).

[Dlbomber1]

Well I am a bit worried because i got my COE on oct 5th and had everything in that same day and faxed back the forms on the 6th. And since then NOTHING! So im like do I just be patient like all of you have or do I think Plan B?Ive talked to Avue and they are like mums the word dont know nothing. But keep checking your email. Ive become to the point of OCD checking email lol. So anyone else have any news?

[0351]

Well I am a bit worried because i got my COE on oct 5th and had everything in that same day and faxed back the forms on the 6th. And since then NOTHING! So im like do I just be patient like all of you have or do I think Plan B?Ive talked to Avue and they are like mums the word dont know nothing. But keep checking your email. Ive become to the point of OCD checking email lol. So anyone else have any news?
So... you applied a week ago and you're going crazy about waiting? A lot of people, like me, have been done with the process (interview, medical, psych, etc) for a month. If you go forward in the process this late, I wouldn't expect it to go so quickly. And if you're waiting on anything, it's more likely to be a phone call for an interview.

[80cop]

So... you applied a week ago and you're going crazy about waiting? A lot of people, like me, have been done with the process (interview, medical, psych, etc) for a month. If you go forward in the process this late, I wouldn't expect it to go so quickly. And if you're waiting on anything, it's more likely to be a phone call for an interview.

Good Call 0351,

The total process from the day I applied to when I got the call was 3 months! I applied on July 3rd. At that time, the process was going extremely fast. Sounds as though its slowing down a bit:(

I know how bad it is to wait, its the worst!! The call will come when you least expect it.

[widowmkr]

For those people that just got hired. When did you begin the application process and how long did it actually take until you got hired. This answer may help, or give us all a better idea of how long we are to wait. I know first hand that there will not be another psych at the NYFO until November. As for how many more marshals they are going to hire, that answer was not given other than that all interview packets where sent to the head office for final review .The FO's themselves do not have an answer as to how long HQ will take in reviewing them. Good luck to all and I hope that we all get the job and get to work with one another....

[0351]

How things went before, for the people that have processed and been hired and the people that finished a month ago or more, isn't really a good indicator of how things are going to go now.
The first COE's went out August 4, and interviews began not long after that (mine was August 26). We were rushed through to get new hires in in FY '05. Some didn't finish quite early enough for whatever reason.
The original job announcement said something about a July 29 or so date for an original referral list to be submitted to the FAMS.
Avue sends a COE to everyone who's tentatively qualified, and at this point I wouldn't bet that if you have a COE it means the Air Marshals even have your information yet. I don't even know for sure if all the FO's are conducting interviews anymore.

I'm not trying to crush anyones aspirations, or rain on any parades or any other metaphor, but the Air marshal service has a lot of qualfied people from the original COE's sent out in August who have already been through all or most of the process. Surely enough to fill a few more FLETC classes, if not enough to fill the openings they have now, so they're in no rush to forge ahead with interviews and paying for medicals and psych evals.
My point is, it may be a while before those of us who already finished hear anything about being hired, so there's no telling when or if you'll be scheduled for an interview, medical, psych, etc.

[manstown]

How things went before, for the people that have processed and been hired and the people that finished a month ago or more, isn't really a good indicator of how things are going to go now.
The first COE's went out August 4, and interviews began not long after that (mine was August 26). We were rushed through to get new hires in in FY '05. Some didn't finish quite early enough for whatever reason.
The original job announcement said something about a July 29 or so date for an original referral list to be submitted to the FAMS.
Avue sends a COE to everyone who's tentatively qualified, and at this point I wouldn't bet that if you have a COE it means the Air Marshals even have your information yet. I don't even know for sure if all the FO's are conducting interviews anymore.

I'm not trying to crush anyones aspirations, or rain on any parades or any other metaphor, but the Air marshal service has a lot of qualfied people from the original COE's sent out in August who have already been through all or most of the process. Surely enough to fill a few more FLETC classes, if not enough to fill the openings they have now, so they're in no rush to forge ahead with interviews and paying for medicals and psych evals.
My point is, it may be a while before those of us who already finished hear anything about being hired, so there's no telling when or if you'll be scheduled for an interview, medical, psych, etc.

0351,

I have to disagree with you. People that have gotten as far as faxing their BI and medical have just as good as a shot as you that have finished the process. Because they have qualified applicants that are finished doesn't mean that they are going to overlook the rest. Just because you may be finished doesn't mean that you will get hired before someone that hasn't finished yet. They are just going to take their time with the rest of the hiring. Once they feel they have enough applicants then they will determine when to cut it off. The list will go based on qualifications. I received a call the other day asking for something on my credit report that I fixed with them over the phone. When I asked if they were finished she said that the ones that went through so quick were to fill vacancies that needed to be filled. Maybe I am hearing you wrong, but don't think because you are finished you will get the offer over someone that has just started. Not to say you won't, but don't get in that mind set. Not trying to come off as putting you down, but this is the Government and they work in funny ways. From what I understand, and it was pointed out in an earlier thred, they have a scoring system. If you are finished with everything you are rated with some score. Every time someone goes through the process that scores higher, you get bumped down the list. Being done and not being done has nothing to do with it at this point. I wish you the best and hope you get the call from them.

manstown

[Blue03]

Congrats to everyone who has made it through the process!!

I know this is an old thread, but if any current FAMs are still following can you tell me if you have any free off-duty time when you travel out of the country. Do you get to do any sightseeing or is the airport the extent of your travel. Thanks in advance.

[0351]

Ideally, they would take the traditional government job process time of forever, to evaluate everyone they want to evaluate and then make such a list, but as things are going, a number of people have been overlooked because they just weren't done yet. Anyone that is hired is hired to fill a vacancy that needs to be filled.
My post was a verbose as it was, because I was frustrated by the posts from people who just applied a week ago (on this forum or another) who complained about waiting, when this has been a part of my life for months. And frankly, if you're overlooked because you didn't apply in time for the original COE's that went out in early August, whose fault is that?
It's a moot point though, since the process is at a standstill for everyone right now.

[widowmkr]

Folks, the negative attitude that I have seen here is not that of people who display team work. Bottom line up front, this site is for information and as a team player support is one of the most important skills we all have. Not negative words.
Good luck to all who have applied, trust your gut feeling, sooner or later we will all have the answer we are looking for Good or Bad. Kudos to those who have been hired good luck on your new endevour and kick some *** at FLETC.

Out Here :)

[80cop]

Folks, the negative attitude that I have seen here is not that of people who display team work. Bottom line up front, this site is for information and as a team player support is one of the most important skills we all have. Not negative words.
Good luck to all who have applied, trust your gut feeling, sooner or later we will all have the answer we are looking for Good or Bad. Kudos to those who have been hired good luck on your new endevour and kick some *** at FLETC.

Out Here :)Thanks Widowmkr, I couldnt have said it better!!

[Lj20]

Hello Everyone, I would like to congratulate everyone who is done with the process. Yeah the waiting game stinks but eventually we will get a call. Speaking as federal employee the process is very slow ,so get use to it because that is how they operate. I put in for Boston/DC/Virginia 20year retirement is worth the weight ,according to my friend who is a FAM he told me they are in the process of making new badges.

[widowmkr]

Hello to all,
Has anyone ben notified to take the PSYCH in November?

[Dlbomber1]

Nothing since Oct 5th here that was my COE and Medical Paperwork request
although Avue sent me a job app for A civilian Instructor position for FAMS and its here in Charlotte NC and one is in California. Anyone know anything about these positions? Same process so it looks like because I have to spend 1hour filling out the application.

[SD5326]

Yeah, I got the same thing but I think that may be a first sign indicator of hiring marshals in the near future for the in N.C./ L.A. areas ........ don't mark my words on that one but that is the same thing they did in NY and DC prior to hiring the most recent batch. "You gotta be handy with the steel if you know what I mean" as far as the background for those positions and have credentials on paper to back it up (e.g. former marksman instructor (not target shooting),CQB instructor or something in that realm).

I just went to the Avue site and the qualifications for the position are DOCUMENTED INSTRUCTOR CERTIFICATION of two of the following backgrounds:

"It is a mandatory requirement of this position to possess an Instructor Certificate document reflecting subject-matter expertise in two or more of the following disciplines: law enforcement, marksmanship and defensive tactics, special operational tactics, physical training, or emergency medical training." -This was directly quoted from AVUE-

[Big Sexy]

Where new hires are sent will have nothing to do with the FAMS civilian instructor position. The two are apples and oranges. The field offices to where new Fams are being sent have a priority for several reasons, civilian instructor positions isn't one. Besides, all field offices have Fam instructors in addition to the civilian instructors. An office can meet all of it's training requirements without the civilian instructors in place.

That being said, the civilian instructors we do have are a very high speed, low drag bunch of professionals. In my office we get along extremely well and they are full fledged members of the FAMS family. Their job description is different, they are not sworn officers (thus not able to fulfill fam duties), but are Fams to us nevertheless.

[LilBit]

i just wish they'd contact those of us who have completed the entire process and at least give us some kind of update, whether it's we're waiting for funding to be approved before we can make any more offers, etc. initially, when they were moving so quickly, i was worried over how i could finish this semester of grad school before relocating, if it was possible, so i wouldn't lose all my money. now i'm getting to the point where this semester isn't the worry, it's whether i should register for classes for next semester. how many months can they keep you waiting? (this is kind of a rhetorical question ... i probably don't want to know the answer!)

[widowmkr]

Are there any Marshals looking in on this site, that maybe can shed some light on the subject as to any schedule of PSYCH emxams, or if there will be more hiring in the near future? I know it is a lot to ask but if we could see some sort of light at the end of the tunnel it would help. I am sure we would all agree on that.

[Big Sexy]

Are there any Marshals looking in on this site, that maybe can shed some light on the subject as to any schedule of PSYCH emxams, or if there will be more hiring in the near future? I know it is a lot to ask but if we could see some sort of light at the end of the tunnel it would help. I am sure we would all agree on that.
For those who are still waiting on "the call". FAM Budget for FY-06 will tentatively be at 686.2 million. The FAMS is intent on continuing with the hiring process in FY-06 and add another 270

[widowmkr]

For all that have read this message. I for one thank the person for this response. As you all know, this person does not have to respond to any message and he does it anyway. This is true team work and If I get hired I would want to work on this mans team.

Thank you again very much for the info

Very Respectfully

[widowmkr]

Another quick question for the Marshal, Did FAMS get close to meeting the requirement 0f the 200 plus pax with this round of hiring?

[Big Sexy]

Another quick question for the Marshal, Did FAMS get close to meeting the requirement 0f the 200 plus pax with this round of hiring?
I am not in the position to confirm or deny if the fiscal 05 numbers were met. There were more than enough applicants, needless to say all were not qualified nor referred for hiring. That being said, the fiscal 06 numbers I posted earlier are the goal, regardless if the fiscal 05 numbers were met or not. The question is, if the 05 numbers weren't met, will the roll the excess numbers into the 06 numbers? To this I have no answer.

[jedidiah542]

B.S. I appreciate you being straight forward with us on this forum. Your last posting encouraged me and made me more hopeful about pursuing this position. Quick question, is the cost of living in New York condusive for a marshal's salary? I ask because I'm a police officer in Detroit with a family and I would like to do a job that I believe I'll enjoy and still be financially stable. Thank you in advance for your time and consideration.

[Big Sexy]

Quick question, is the cost of living in New York condusive for a marshal's salary?
As long as you don't try living below Central Park, you may do okay. A lot of guys live in Queens, due to both airports being located there or "The Planet of Brooklyn".

[gonefishin]

As long as you don't try living below Central Park, you may do okay. A lot of guys live in Queens, due to both airports being located there or "The Planet of Brooklyn".
I've been looking at eastern PA (Allentown area)....and it looks like it would be somewhere around a hour (give or take 4-5 hours with traffic) to both airports....should I try to live closer (I'd like to live closer but I don't know how well my family would like it). Thanks for any advise!!!!

[soxfan]

Like BS stated living below Central Park, (IE, Manhattan) is not what you want to get into coming from out of town. NYorkers from the city would have a much easier time at it, but why tackle NYC if you don't have to. Anyway above Central Park is also a concern coming from out of the area. You have Harlem and the Bronx. BS stated Queens and there is also Northern Jersey which will be just as far as a commute with traffic. There is a lot to get used to coming from out of the area, but once your in the groove, it is good to go...Hope it helps.

As for the Allentown PA area,,,,come on, you know better than that. I-78 and I-80 are a mess every single day. Good luck trying to get there without leaving at 3 in the morning.

[jedidiah542]

As long as you don't try living below Central Park, you may do okay. A lot of guys live in Queens, due to both airports being located there or "The Planet of Brooklyn".

Thank you sir for your prompt response. How do you guys deal with your families and your position? Do you have to keep your postition a secret from your wives or children? I don't tell my family about all the situations I deal with in the streets but they do know I'm an officer. I don't tell them much because I don't want them to worry.

[Big Sexy]

Thank you sir for your prompt response. How do you guys deal with your families and your position? Do you have to keep your postition a secret from your wives or children? I don't tell my family about all the situations I deal with in the streets but they do know I'm an officer. I don't tell them much because I don't want them to worry.
My family is aware of what I do for a living. No secret there. I don't discuss details of my job in relation to tactics, missions and such.

[widowmkr]

Hi,
Has anyone heard anything yet? I have noticed that activity here has become nill. So i was was checking to see if anyone had heard anything from FAMS or AVUE?

[0351]

I'm certain it's gonna be a while before hiring calls go out again... probably near the end of the year. I have no clue when they may send people through the other parts of the process.

[Evil Cartman]

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[FemaleFed]

Ok, now you guys have me concerned with all this talk of "no women being hired". Even though it's more than likely a rumor...I'd love to atleast hear from SOME WOMEN out there if you are in the process and how far along you are. I don't see any other women posting on here and haven't heard of ONE woman that has been hired this go around.
C'mon ladies...(or men who know of any hired recently). Give me my hope back!!

[widowmkr]

I myself am waiting for the Pshych ( Im a male), But I do know of several women who have been hired and are also in the process of being hired. One of them I know from my Job and she is waiting like everyone else for the Psych and Drug test. Hope this helps you.

[soxfan]

I have been done since Sept 6, and I conducted my entire process with a female applicant. We haven't been in touch since the Psych Interview. As far as hiring, hell, they haven't hired much either way yet! Fingers crossed.

[gonefishin]

Ok, now you guys have me concerned with all this talk of "no women being hired". Even though it's more than likely a rumor...I'd love to atleast hear from SOME WOMEN out there if you are in the process and how far along you are. I don't see any other women posting on here and haven't heard of ONE woman that has been hired this go around.
C'mon ladies...(or men who know of any hired recently). Give me my hope back!!

Not to worry, FemaleFed....FAMS have been hiring women. For everyone else waiting for a call....make sure you do some running and working out. FAMS have gotten real serious lately about physical fitness!!!!

[soxfan]

Since alot of us have been done sunce the first week of Sept, do you think the call will be coming soon? Or do you think they wasten money on contracts to file in as many applicants as possible?

[0351]

The government wasting money? never!
but seriously, it'll probably be at least a month until more calls go out, because I'm pretty sure the FLETC classes are full, which actually means bringing more people on now would be a waste of money.

[xray2j]

From what I have heard there are more FAMS to be hired therefore calls to be made. As to how soon? Don't hold your breath.

[widowmkr]

Hello to all fellow FAMS applicants. I was just wondering if anyone had heard anything. It has been a while since I heard anything from FAMS. I was hoping to hear from them this month, but I am not holding my breath. I become very unsure about this agency, just by the way they are doing the hiring process.
Well Happy Thanks Giving. I hope at least one of us at this forum hears something soon. :confused:

[0351]

I become very unsure about this agency, just by the way they are doing the hiring process.
For one thing, it's not something they have a ton of experience with, and I don't think it's been too problematic on their end at all. From what I understand it has gone very quickly by federal standards.
Also, I wouldn't expect anyone to hear any more hiring calls until mid to late december at the earliest.

[99TAC]

Just like everyone else, I'm not holding my breath. But at the same time it is a bummer to spend 3-4 days drafting and editing my KSA competency narratives and qualify for all levels, and then not hear a darn thing since September. Oh well, such is life. Good luck everyone, hope we hear something soon.

[reddragon22]

I have been followin for quite sometime. I have searched many other forums to see if any new info is being posted. From another site "big sexy and intheaircop" both u know as federal air marshal's themselves had some interesting things to say and I will post them here in case no one has had the opp. to read them elsewhere:

"11-16-05, 09:12 PM
intheaircop2

Just heard from a FAM from my office who just returned from headquarters and the same thing from the directors mouth. All new hires will only goto D.C. and N.Y. .
Also all the new hires have been hired and no one else will be called in for interviews. So if you have not processed then better luck next year.
The director also said when they hire again that all of them will also be placed in New York and D.C."

11-16-05, 09:27 PM
Big Sexy

Quote:
Originally Posted by intheaircop2
Just heard from a FAM from my office who just returned from headquarters and the same thing from the directors mouth. All new hires will only goto D.C. and N.Y. .
Also all the new hires have been hired and no one else will be called in for interviews. So if you have not processed then better luck next year.
The director also said when they hire again that all of them will also be placed in New York and D.C.

"True, but not complete. The agency is looking to hire 100-300 FAMs in FY2006. All new hires continue to be assigned to New York and Washington field offices.
The FAMS hiring process was recently paused and a 'physical fitness participation' component was added. The hiring process is expected to resume again shortly. Though the newly added component cannot yet disqualify the candidate, it can be included in the overall assessment.
A job task analysis is underway in effort to create a job specific physical fitness requirement. It is expected that the new requirement will be utilized in the hiring process as well as in the field.
This is from the Directors mouth, not mine."

Sounds as if things MAY pick up again, but like others not holding my breathe. I really had my hopes high, because this is what I truly wanted to do( for along time), I finally get to the point wher I found my calling and it doesnt seem like its going to be reality and I know I shouldnt give up easily, but my whole life has been dissapointments, so I'm tired of trying, anyway, after this I'm applying for nothing else.

They added a component to the hiring process, but yet it seems for all of the folks that have been COMPLETED & WAITING, we have yet to hear anything of the sort in reference to this and I think we should have heard something. It seems to me that if they add something, they would contact those that have been waiting and inform them to report somewhere for this PF test. So if the case is that if u werent called for a PF test that means you havent been completely processed, which seems awful since ALOT of us have completed everything and were just waiting, just to have something else added after the fact and then hear nothing. I havent heard that anyone has been called to do a PF test, so if they are planning on contacting you, keep eyes on your snail mail, email, and telephones. I hope we all heaar something soon, because this truly SUX!!! :(

[widowmkr]

I myself am still waiting for the psych, I was told that they would be doing the psych again in November, but I have not heard anything. I think a PF test is good, cause if you are in decent shape it will give you an edge on other applicants. But like others here at the forum, I am not holding my breath. I do not think it is right to keep applicants in suspense for such a long time. I just want to know my status, I am still in the race or am I out in the cold. It is little things like this that are making me second guess this job and also the fact that a lot of air marshals are leaving the job for one reason or another. Apparently the over all morale of FAMS is low and that worries me. I never give up easily, but I am not really sure about this job anymore. When I went for the interview I was told that the results would be published approximately 2-3 weeks after, to this day nothing, the same went for the medical I have heard nothing and this is why my confidence in this position is dwindling.
Sorry for venting folks.
Have a wonderful Happy Thanks Giving and GOOD LUCK TO ALL

[gonefishin]

It is little things like this that are making me second guess this job and also the fact that a lot of air marshals are leaving the job for one reason or another. Apparently the over all morale of FAMS is low and that worries me.

I know the waiting game sucks but they will hire more. As far as the morale of the FAMS being low I don't think that is a accurate assesment. In any job there are people that hate it...(this holds true with the FAMS) but there are also a lot of people that love the job (again very true with the FAMS). Its just like anything else....you always hear about the people that have a bad experience but never about the people that have a good one. There are parts of the job, as in any job, that suck...but I feel that there are far more good points to the job as opposed to bad points. Keep your heads up...those calls will come!!!

[widowmkr]

Yeah, I agree with you, but I am so frustrated with this whole process.

[flyingdog]

Yeah, I agree with you, but I am so frustrated with this whole process.

For all of those waiting to be hired by the Air Marshal Service. I hate to burst your bubble but you are making a huge mistake. Air Marshals are leaving the service by the droves, and for good reason. Now, I can't talk numbers or policy, but the rumors that the moral is low is an understatement. When 99 percent of the Air Marshals I worked with are leaving or want to leave, then there is a problem. That problem is poor management. These guys manage and don't lead by example. They are not qualified Air Marshals just managers. Having been in Law Enforcement for over 12 years, I would get up every morning (in all kinds of foreign places), thinking this is the worst decision (joining the Air Marshal's) I ever made. Don't get me wrong, the Air Marshal Service took some of the best and brightest in law enforcement and the Air Marshal's themselves are top notch. I believe this again will be the case. They will hire some of the best, only to beat them down with ridiculous policies and incompetent management.

Here is an article from the Womens Wallstreet publication
;
By Annie Jacobsen



November 13, 2005



Governmental cronyism -- giving jobs to friends regardless of their qualifications -- is at least as old as the Roman Republic. According to some ancient historians, Emperor Caligula (A.D.12- A.D. 41) reserved a Senatorial position for his horse. In the here and now, George Bush nominated a former Arabian horse commissioner Michael Brown to head the U.S. Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) despite the fact that Brown had no experience handling emergency management.

Tragically, this example of cronyism came to light only after bodies were floating through the streets of New Orleans. And therein lies the problem: Identifying a crony is only half the battle. The other half is getting rid of the crony before disaster strikes, which is no simple task.

When the preventability of Hurricane Katrina's tragic aftermath sank in, pundits began shouting, just how many Michael Browns are there? Good question, and I don't know the answer. But I do know there is at least one more. His name is Thomas Quinn and he is the Director of the Federal Air Marshal Service (FAMS), the agency tasked with protecting you and me while we're flying on any one of America's commercial airplanes.



- Cronyism in Action -
Thomas Quinn's friendship with the Bush family extends decades and spans generations. It began in the late 1980s, when Quinn was a Secret Service Agent on the first President Bush's protective detail (when Bush was Vice President), a piece of information that has largely been kept a secret (however Quinn's media spokesman did confirm it as true). Being a Bush family friend does not necessarily make you unqualified for your job, but it does explain how Thomas Quinn

[Threex]

Here is a question for the knowledgeable ones here....Like most of you i completed everything prior to the cut off in october, fams called my job twice for info from my supervisors, and that was the end of it. Come to find out the guy that was interviewed right before me (same day)got the call in the middle of october for hire and i didnt. To make matters worse, we do the same type of job (different cities), he only had one year of service (i have five), hes a few years younger (im 28), same type of education, same "perfect employee's" comments from our supervisors im sure, pretty much even look the same (im probably in better shape), interviews were probably both very good........BUT they picked him instead of both of us, doesnt make much sense huh? My question is this, since we did everything test/interview wise the same days and he was hired, are my chances of getting in in fy06 pretty much shot or what??? Anyone have any insight?? I, like the majority of you, seem to be hanging on to something that may not happen. :confused:

[0351]

did you do medical? psych? If they didn't ask you back for anything intentionally they may had to have made a toss up and just liked his tie better, but it's possible and more probable that something along the long chain of events that have to occur before you can be hired either didn't happen in time or got screwed up somewhere.

[Threex]

i finished everything, written, med, psych, **** test, finger in my ***, you name it. :rolleyes: All of my paperwork should have been in long before they called my job i would think. Hopefully im still a canditate for 06, and not just skipped in 05 and forgotten about. But with the government who knows! :confused: The process was very fast though like all have said on the forum. From the end of aug i suppose till mid oct, the man was processed and hired.

[widowmkr]

It is obvious, that everyone replying to this post, is in the same boat. The one thing I have to say. It would be nice if FAMS would let us know if we are still in the running or if we have been dropped from selection. It would be the professional thing to do. It is actions like this and speaking with current FAMS, that are making me rethink this job. I will wait till the end of December, If I don't hear anything by then I will withdraw my application. I am currently waiting for a call from the FBI, now they are in constant contact with me. Why can't FAMS at least send emails once in a while, just to let applicants know what is going on. I am Confused

[soxfan]

I agree WM, I have put a time frame on how long I will wait. Like many of us, time isn't an option. I can always go back to my department. I wanted something closer to home, but if it isn't the case, I will not wait much past the new year

[manstown]

To everyone trying to convince themselves and others about the job, the fact of the matter is that this is the nature of the beast when it comes to the Federal Gov. hiring people. You are a piece of paper with a name. I know all of you know this, but just put in the paperwork and forget about it. Don't put your lives on hold and don't quit your jobs. It is how it is, plain and simple. If they don't want you for the job, they may call or send a letter or nothing. Don't stress over something like this.

I want the job as badly as the next one, but to worry about something you can't control is crazy. Enjoy the Holiday's and Good Luck to all!!!!!!!

Manstown

[widowmkr]

To all my fellow FAMS applicants. Have a wonderful and Safe Thanks Giving.
Hopefully this time next year we will all be FAMS.

Best of Luck.
WIDOWMKR

[Threex]

Happy TG!!!!!!

[Nobody]

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[99TAC]

It's hard, but I know I focused on little else for over 2 years - not worth it, though I did finally get hired :(

Does the frowny face smiley mean that you're not happy as an air marshal? Or did I misinterpret that. How do you like your new job?

[Nobody]

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[Threex]

anyone know how many full fam academy classes they give in a year at Artesia?

[manstown]

anyone know how many full fam academy classes they give in a year at Artesia?

That would depend on funding and the needs of the agency. There is never a set amount of classes for any agency until these things are figured out.

[Dlbomber1]

I was told that they put a stop on hiring til the budget was approved for 2006 has anyone been told if that was done now or any info on that at all? Im very patient yet other oppurtunities are within my grasps and i dont like burning bridges. So its hard to take LE positions only to be called out of the blue and saying um still want the job lol. So does anyone have any info on the budget situation?

[Nobody]

federal fiscal year started oct 1st, so the budget for '06 should be set

[0351]

So its hard to take LE positions only to be called out of the blue and saying um still want the job lol.
Live your life like you've never heard of the FAMS, especially if it's still true that you haven't heard anything since receiving your COE in early October.

[soxfan]

0351 says it best. The gov't is a hurry up an wait agency. It doesn't make it any easier to swallow, but we have no choice. Hopefully we will be rewarded with a nice xmas present. Keep the faith. ;)

[Threex]

couldnt have said it any better myself. There is a post over on the 911 job forum recently that sums it up. Not looking too good bro's.

[manstown]

I can't give anymore information than this because it is all I know. So please don't ask me for more then what I post.

I have talked to a reliable source that says the reason the FAMS are frozen right now is because HR is backed up, that they really want to come up with a fitness standard, and they simple don't have enough instructors to run all those hires through at one time. I have been assured that hiring will start up again, just for DC and New York, in the near future. Just because you are finished with the process doesn't mean you are the next to get hired. If you have finished the application, and that is it, you have just as good as a chance.

Take this information as you will and with a grain of salt. That is all I know as of now. Things may change, funding may change and so on. If you are tired of waiting, rescind your application or take the hiring process for what it is.......a process. It certainly isn't going to be as quick as it just was. No process ever is.

If you have anymore questions you need answered, Big Sexy and those that are already FAMS may be able to help you guys out.
Don't mean to throw you around like that Big Sexy!

Wish I could give you guys more definitive answers but this is what I was told and I am going to hold on to it. Again, do with it what you choose.

Manstown

[Paroled]

I hate to "chime in" at the end of an informative discussion group, in which I have learned a great deal. But, the last notification I received from FAMs was to essenially standby for the Physical Examination and I haven't received word since and that was Sept 2. I have emailed avue to ensure that I didn't miss a step but avue's reply is to hold fast till notification of the physical examination appointment. Still, no word.

[Nobody]

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[Threex]

yeah, try not to think about it and loose sleep.....Just keep that damn cell phone close to ya!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

[Big Sexy]

If you have anymore questions you need answered, Big Sexy and those that are already FAMS may be able to help you guys out.
Don't mean to throw you around like that Big Sexy!
No problem, that is why I'm here. If and when I hear anything, I'll be sure to let all concerned parties know. ;)

[sotzo]

I just got this email after about 4 months of no contact and completing everything.



December 7, 2005


Re: Status of Application Process

Dear Applicant:

This letter concerns your application under Vacancy Announcement Number FAMS-FLD-05-0002 for employment as a Federal Air Marshal (FAM), SV-1801, with the Federal Air Marshal Service (FAMS).

This is to notify you that you are still under consideration for the position of Federal Air Marshal and that your application continues to advance through the phases of the application process.

Additionally, this is to notify you that all applicants hired during Fiscal Year 2006 will be required to complete a Physical Training Assessment (PTA) during the application process. The PTA will provide FAMS with an indication of your present ability to safely and successfully participate in strenuous physical activity during the Federal Air Marshal Training Program (FAMTP). There is no minimum required score for the PTA; however, the fitness evaluation results will be one factor considered in the applicant assessment process.

As stated under the vacancy announcement cited above, an employee must successfully complete training in order to become a FAM. Training takes place in two stages, the initial FAMS seven-week basic training program conducted at the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Artesia, NM and the advanced seven-week training program conducted at the FAMS Training Center in Atlantic City, NJ. Minimum levels of strength, flexibility, and cardiovascular endurance are necessary to perform FAM duties, and essential to ensure safe, progressive participation in the specific physical events demanded from Federal Air Marshal trainees attending FAMTP.

The FAM Pre-Training Guide may be viewed or printed at the FAMS HR website by by clicking www.avuedigitalservices.com/pdf/OTD_Pre-Training_Guide.pdf. The purpose of the FAM Pre-Training Guide is to provide applicants advance notice of the physical tasks they will encounter during the FAMTP and training methods that can be utilized to prepare for safe, successful participation in the physical training conducted during the FAMTP. The objective of the FAM Pre-Training Guide is to ensure that applicants report to FAMTP fully accustomed to a daily fitness regimen, in the best possible physical condition, and able to successfully complete the FAMTP. Carefully review the PTA events identified in the Pre-Training Guide to determine how soon you will be ready to complete the PTA.

To schedule your PTA, you are required to log into the www.avuedigitalservices.com/fams/applicant.html , select "Jobs I Have Applied For", and click the "PTA" link found in the "Status of Application" column to indicate your availability to schedule a PTA. It is essential that you respond to this request immediately in order for you to move forward as expeditiously as possible within the assessment portion of the hiring process. If your response is not received within ten days of this request, you will be removed from the list of individuals with a conditional offer of employment and FAMS will discontinue your consideration for a final appointment. Please do not attempt to contact the FAMS about PTA scheduling. Once you designate your availability for this assessment, a FAMS recruiter will contact you to schedule your PTA. When you report for the PTA, you will be required to sign a Waiver of Liability form attesting to your understanding of, and readiness to complete, the identified physical events, immediately prior to PTA administration. If you fail to appear for your scheduled PTA you will be removed from the list of individuals with a conditional offer of employment and FAMS will discontinue your consideration for a final appointment.

Finally, you should be aware that PTA results remain current for only 90 days. Applicants will be required to complete a PTA Re-test in the event that formal training does not occur within 90 days of the initial PTA.

Thank you for your continued interest in a career with the Federal Air Marshal Service.

Human Resources Division
Federal Air Marshal Service

[0351]

Stand by for a slew of "why didn't I get that email?" and "why can't I see that on Avue?" posts... starting with this one, haha.

Who else got that? I wonder if the fact that my packet (to my knowledge) got to the hiring panel on sept 30 is a factor.

At least we have some real news, finally.

[widowmkr]

[QUOTE=0351]Stand by for a slew of "why didn't I get that email?" and "why can't I see that on Avue?" posts... starting with this one, haha.


Good for you, I hope you do well. I have given up with FAMS.

Good Luck to all who get called.

[Threex]

got my email at 0318 this morning.

[Paroled]

I don't think I'll ever receive another email. I'm even hoping to get prodded and poked by a doctor in the (hopefully) near future. That's sad.

[99TAC]

The first ever FAM involved shooting on a plane just occurred.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/12/07/airplane.gunshot/index.html

[vicmackey]

I have a few questions for anyone that can help. I started looking through this post, but there's like 300+ so I'll just ask, even though this has probly been covered. Is there a written test for the Air Marshals? How long do you have to serve at a station before you would be eligable to try to transfer? And also, are they gonna contact your employers before they actually intend on hiring you? My department tends to stick it to anyone that they find wants to leave. I would appreciate any help.

[Threex]

yes, a long time, and yes.

[manstown]

I have a few questions for anyone that can help. I started looking through this post, but there's like 300+ so I'll just ask, even though this has probly been covered. Is there a written test for the Air Marshals? How long do you have to serve at a station before you would be eligable to try to transfer? And also, are they gonna contact your employers before they actually intend on hiring you? My department tends to stick it to anyone that they find wants to leave. I would appreciate any help.

No written test, little chance for transfer, they will contact your employer, and that sucks that your bosses do that.

[SD5326]

Don't usually post much.....but I'm in the process as well. I got an official word that the Fitness test is on hold again. Sorry guys-n-gals, the wait continues...............

[intheair]

SO does that mean everything is on hold until they iron out the kinks in the test or are they going to go ahead and continue to have headquarters contact applicants soon. I hope. I completed everything september 6th except this physical fitness test and havent heard anything. Any help would be nice thanks in advance

[0351]

Just as an FYI, I got the PTA email today. Maybe it's regionally dependant? I interviewed out of Atlanta.

[SD5326]

This came down from HQ in DC according to the field office I interviewed with, "that ALL PT tests are on hold until further notice more than likely they will start up after the New Year" (Holidays??? maybe) . The email that everyone has received is automated through AVUE and I was told that FAMS will be contacting people by phone or email directly and no more contact via Avue ESPECIALLY if you are this far along in the process (E.G. everything complete with exception of PT Test). I hope this helps....this news definitely makes me sleep better at night although I wish it would go quicker but........the wait continues..................

[intheair]

I heard some calls may go out this week, but don't know how true that is. If anyone is expecting a call be sure to update those of us still waiting.

[fuddy1975]

Like most of you guys..I'm in the strange process of becoming a Fam. However, I interviewed and took the psycological assessment in Chicago on August 25, 2005. When I returned home to St.louis on August 26, to complete the medical physical, I was told it was cancelled and my application was placed on hold. However, on August 28 I received the results of my psychological assessment and met with a psychologist. He recommended me for the posistion. Now, my application is supposedly back on track, but I haven't heard anything since.....Any suggestions

[manstown]

Like most of you guys..I'm in the strange process of becoming a Fam. However, I interviewed and took the psycological assessment in Chicago on August 25, 2005. When I returned home to St.louis on August 26, to complete the medical physical, I was told it was cancelled and my application was placed on hold. However, on August 28 I received the results of my psychological assessment and met with a psychologist. He recommended me for the posistion. Now, my application is supposedly back on track, but I haven't heard anything since.....Any suggestions

Yep! Just wait. That is the only thing to do.

[thederrick106]

The job is still open for a while... I will be finished with my BS in june and hope to apply then... what does every one think about applying so late? does it matter or would it be a waste of time? I really want to get a full time job in LE... This summer hopefully i will still be working as a peace officer. We get everything but a gun with full arrest powers... basicaly serve as the first responders for police, due to the area being a big "summer" town... any comments?

[0351]

The job is still open for a while... I will be finished with my BS in june and hope to apply then... what does every one think about applying so late?
Go ahead and apply now.
I applied before I completed my bachelors, and still interviewed and went through the entire process (except the new PTA) before they asked for a transcript. Although I had graduated by the time I interviewed, it won't hurt you to apply now if you have the time to fill everything out.

[intheair]

be ready to wait for a while after you apply. The process is very slow and tests your patience. I wish you the best of luck

[fuddy1975]

Hey guys,

I was told my application was placed on hold because of something found in my background...However, they (Fams) wont tell me what it is. They only said, I'm still in the process, but someting is being looked out. Is there anyone else on hold because of background checks?

[intheair]

Did the Fams themselves tell you that or did you call someone and find out. I have not heard anything since i completed the process in september. Im interested to know how you found that info out.

[manstown]

Hey guys,

I was told my application was placed on hold because of something found in my background...However, they (Fams) wont tell me what it is. They only said, I'm still in the process, but someting is being looked out. Is there anyone else on hold because of background checks?


They, FAMS, called me to check something on my credit report. I had a copy of my credit report that showed the issue was taken care of and faxed it to them. When they got the fax, they called to say that all was cleared and that my application would be passed on for further processing.

[vicmackey]

well, I put in an air marshal app. what the hell, I'll give it a try. Not sure i will take a job in New York or DC though. Not really my favorite places in the world. I know some guys that are marshals though, they said Chicago will probly be needing people too. If I don't get it, not a big deal, I have a good job now that I don't mind too much and pays decent for my area.

[intheair]

Anyone have any ew news to share. I have not heard much stirring on the message board.

[Threex]

not around my area. :rolleyes:

[fuddy1975]

Hello everyone;


FAMS contacted my supervisors last week. Initially, I was excited , but i soon remembered everything thats going on with the process. It's a start (Hopefully)

[Dlbomber1]

Well id say apply but to give you an idea about how things are slow I applied in Oct and all I got was the first few emails stating your in the selection process and an offer of employment. Then its to the waiting game which ive been patiently doing. I have nothing in my background and Im prior military in the marines, also did army reserves and Military Police. And also like you im currently still in school about to complete getting a double major in criminal justice and computer science. Ive spoke with avue to ensure my application was valid and there was nothing wrong, its just waiting for whatever reason. Theres no pattern at all that we can figure out. At the beggining of the process I had the number to the actual field office and A marshal recruiter spoke to me and gave me some tips but thats before I realised how long id be waiting on this with no word. Ive since lost the number and the way I got it was calling ICE and they gave me a few numbers where people passed the buck around til they gave me a number straight to the recruiter. But wish I had it now because alot he said back then didnt make since to me then but does now. He told me they held apps til they got a certain amount then they interviewed at once instead of all the time. Anyway thats my tid bit about it but im still waiting acting like ive heard nothing at all of the FAMS other then this board. Sounds like a little more activity is going on but I guess it depends on wether or not your your recruiter is disgruntled, overworked or riding around on trains now because of them being so short handed. I wondered why they took on more responsibility knowing they didnt have enough people to cover thier own main duty of aviation. One will never know maybe Big Sexy will have some insight on it. Yet maybe its a sign of a massive hiring spree soon who knows???

[psycho1000r]

i finally got the call for an interview on jan 6th. i applied back in sept.

they said "it was an all day thing so be prepared". i have to go the the philly field office in mays landing NJ.

can anyone gimmie some input on what to expect or any pointers?? im going into this cold turkey so i have no idea what the process is gonna be like.

[manstown]

i finally got the call for an interview on jan 6th. i applied back in sept.

they said "it was an all day thing so be prepared". i have to go the the philly field office in mays landing NJ.

can anyone gimmie some input on what to expect or any pointers?? im going into this cold turkey so i have no idea what the process is gonna be like.

Just be honest.

[psycho1000r]

yeh, i plan on it, i have no skeletons in my closet so its all good, as far as my backgrounds, i have a BS in managment/eco and iv been with the dept of homeland security(TSA) for over 3 years now as a Lead TSO. supposedly the FAM's have spots reserved for current TSA employees as past of there "career transition" incentive. that in mind, hopefully that'll give me a bit of a boost.

Im just really nervous about the interview, i'v been waiting a long time for this!

[0351]

The best thing you can do is not be nervous. I think the biggest thing they had against me at my interview was that they said I seemed too nervous/tense. I didn't even feel all that nervous, I just hate talking about myself.

Do an internet search for panel interviews for some pointers, and get ready for a long slow process.

[psycho1000r]

The best thing you can do is not be nervous. I think the biggest thing they had against me at my interview was that they said I seemed too nervous/tense. I didn't even feel all that nervous, I just hate talking about myself.

Do an internet search for panel interviews for some pointers, and get ready for a long slow process.

YEH I HEAR YA, its hard to not act nervous though, lol.

[soxfan]

Had my panel in Mays landing. Sat around for about 2 hours in the cafeteria till I was called. Interview was about 35 minutes for me, but some went well over an hour long. Bring lunch money or a bag lunch. If you pass the panel, we completed a few other processes that day, as well. I was one of the first "groups" sped through the process and still waiting. I have no idea if things have changed, but they kicked a bunch of people out right after the interview, for whatever reasons. Hope this helps!

[Threex]

wear a suit.

[veteranFAM]

Patricia Rader at 609-909-5719

I got this off the FAMS Delphi Forum http://forums.delphiforums.com/airmarshal1/messages

[manstown]

Patricia Rader at 609-909-5719

I got this off the FAMS Delphi Forum http://forums.delphiforums.com/airmarshal1/messages


Called that number today. That is not the woman to talk to.

[vicmackey]

go to the websight. I don't have it right off hand here, but I know it's listed somewhere in this enormous post. I think the app is on www.avuedigital.com. Anyway there are things such as work experience that can substitute for the four year degree.

[manstown]

Hey, I was wondering if anyone knew the education requirement for Air Marshals. I'm assuming the 4 year. I think the only 1811 position I know that doesn't require it is the border patrol agent. Anyone with info on this let me know. thanks.

You don't need a degree for Air Marshal. And Border Patrol isn't an 1811 position. I believe it is 1895 or 1896. Not every agency with 1811's need degrees. Experience can help as well. You just have to read the vacancy when they come out.

[0351]

Got my PTA scheduled for the middle of this month.

[psycho1000r]

Got my PTA scheduled for the middle of this month.


what does it consist of?

[0351]

what does it consist of?
push ups, pull ups, sit ups, and a 1.5 mile run.
It's not for score, or even pass/fail, but for me the standards seem pretty easy.

edit: they said something about the people higher up requesting it be done as soon as possible, so I take that as good news for me and anyone else doing it.

[SD5326]

"i finally got the call for an interview on jan 6th. i applied back in sept."

Psycho,
How did it go? What's the latest news?

[psycho1000r]

"i finally got the call for an interview on jan 6th. i applied back in sept."

Psycho,
How did it go? What's the latest news?


well i just got home a little while ago, there were 3 other guys plus me there, i passed the panel interview, and took the drug test then i took the psych test, man what a long day. plus the building they had everything in was so friggen inconspicuous i almost couldnt find it, lol.

all in all , i think it went well. now i just gotta sit around and wait, and get my *** back in shape.

thanks for all the help guys, now the waiting game begins. i tried to ask them questions but either they didnt know, or were tight lipped and i didnt want to harrass them, lol.

[psycho1000r]

It's not for score, or even pass/fail,



what do u mean? they wont disqualify u if u dont do well?

[SD5326]

Yeah,
It is not considered pass or fail, just another piece of the overall assessment. I would imagine if you don't do well it won't look good, but, not necessarily a disqualifier. You don't want to be that guy that shows up looking like a slob at the pta though...know what I mean.

[psycho1000r]

Yeah,
It is not considered pass or fail, just another piece of the overall assessment. I would imagine if you don't do well it won't look good, but, not necessarily a disqualifier. You don't want to be that guy that shows up looking like a slob at the pta though...know what I mean.


gotcha!!! im ok strength wise, i just suck at cardio, so i have to hit the treadmill nad start jogging, i dont want to be the guy that everyone waits for at the finish line.

[Nobody]

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[intheair]

Do all applicants have to do the physical fitness aspect or just those recently applying? Are all field offices doing this?

[0351]

Do all applicants have to do the physical fitness aspect or just those recently applying? Are all field offices doing this?
It's a new requirement for all fiscal year '06 hires. Everyone that's gotten the letter or scheduled the assesment has been done with everything else for a while.
It's from the top down, so it's not a few field offices deciding to play around with applicants in their region. A PTA has to be done within 90 days of reporting to FLETC.

[manstown]

It's a new requirement for all fiscal year '06 hires. Everyone that's gotten the letter or scheduled the assesment has been done with everything else for a while.
It's from the top down, so it's not a few field offices deciding to play around with applicants in their region. A PTA has to be done within 90 days of reporting to FLETC.

0351,

This is not necessarily true. Yes all new hires will have to take the test, but it will not start from the top down. Those that have finished the process won't all take the test before those that have not. Just to clarify. I talked with HR yesterday.

[0351]

0351,

This is not necessarily true. Yes all new hires will have to take the test, but it will not start from the top down. Those that have finished the process won't all take the test before those that have not. Just to clarify. I talked with HR yesterday.
I meant that it was an upper management decision and not from the individual field offices. I didn't mean anything about who finished first or who was preferred for hiring.

[intheair]

Interesting stuff I have been done with everything since september except the PT test. Interviewed in August and have been waiting since hopefully soon like the rest here I get some notification soon.

[manstown]

I meant that it was an upper management decision and not from the individual field offices. I didn't mean anything about who finished first or who was preferred for hiring.


My apologies. I misread what was said.

Manstown

[psycho1000r]

i had my interview, drug test, and written psych test last fri. they called me today for a psych interview. so i guess the process is speeding up alittle.

how do u dress for a psych interview? iv never been on one

[SD5326]

Wear a suit and tie. Remember, the psych doctor is assessing you as well. He/she will be giving a thumbs up or down on whether or not you continue, from a psychological stand point that is, with the rest of the process. Treat every face to face meeting that you may have in any hiring process as though it is an initial formal interview. Maybe not the pt portion, but, I have seen guys show up in a suit and tie for pt tests (other LE agencies) and have to change out...... Not necessarily a bad thing but, it was funny when everyone else showed up running shoes and shorts, administrators included.

[psycho1000r]

Wear a suit and tie. Remember, the psych doctor is assessing you as well. He/she will be giving a thumbs up or down on whether or not you continue, from a psychological stand point that is, with the rest of the process. Treat every face to face meeting that you may have in any hiring process as though it is an initial formal interview. Maybe not the pt portion, but, I have seen guys show up in a suit and tie for pt tests (other LE agencies) and have to change out...... Not necessarily a bad thing but, it was funny when everyone else showed up running shoes and shorts, administrators included.


yeh , thats what i figured. iv never been to a psych eval. whats it like? i know im not nuts so im not worried. what do they look for?

how far are u in the process SD?


one more quik question, another friend of mine wants to apply but he has slight scoliosis,, very minor, you cant even tell, but its scoliosis nonetheless, would that DQ him. i mean he doens thave any mobility issues or anythnig like that.

i told him to just go for it anyways, maybe they wont notice

[0351]

yeh , thats what i figured. iv never been to a psych eval. whats it like? i know im not nuts so im not worried. what do they look for?
It's not just looking for a psychological disorder, it is usually to assess your character as well, although I believe it may vary from psychologist to psychologist. There are usually questions involving your work history, driving record, and drug and alcohol use. For the alcohol it's stuff like "when's the last time you drank" "how much" "how much do you usually drink" "how often do you drink" etc.

As for attire, I didn't even wear a tie, but the two guys I saw there that interviewed the same day as I did were wearing suits. Not saying not to wear a suit, just that if you don't it probably won't kill you.

[fuddy1975]

Hey guys

I'm done with everything except the medical since August. It (Medical)was cancelled the day i was supposed to do it. In between my application was placed on hold for a few months to verify something in my employment. When the FAMS wouldnt tell me the (EXACT) reason why my application was put on hold, I wrote my congressman. Supposedly, they (FAMS) were trying to verify my current Top Secret/SCI Clearance. In otherwords, they thought I lied on my application.Now my application is active and just last week, the FAMS called my supervisors about my job performance. So right now i dont know what to think. Honestly guys, is this not the most confusing application process in law enforcement. But at least we all have company for now..

[Threex]

well they posted the new vacancy announcement for current tsa/fams employees. Looks like this might be a huge disapointment for the hopefuls waiting for the call, huh candidates?????

[0351]

well they posted the new vacancy announcement for current tsa/fams employees. Looks like this might be a huge disapointment for the hopefuls waiting for the call, huh candidates?????
Those candidates would have to prove more qualified than you to be hired over you, if I'm not mistaken. To do otherwise (while I know it's possible), would be an idiotic risk in my opinion.

[SD5326]

Those candidates would have to prove more qualified than you to be hired over you, if I'm not mistaken. To do otherwise (while I know it's possible), would be an idiotic risk in my opinion.


Agreed,

That announcement just gives them another pipeline to filter candidates already employed with the TSA. If the case is that they already have a clearance they will skip that part of the process (which could possibly get them hired faster than someone without one; the BI is always the longest portion of any hiring process). They still have to jump through all the other hoops and be just as or more qualified than non-TSA applicants in order to be selected. I would think that if they get TSA employees that match all of the above they will more than likely be preferred over a non-TSA employee. I still think chances are good for non-TSA employees just because of the experience factor.

[intheair]

So what are you guys saying those of us hat have been jumping through hoops and waiting are being shoved aside or are we still being considered?

[SD5326]

We are still being considered. To make a long story short, they are just looking for potential talent within TSA nothing more or less. Keep in mind it says that all TSA employees have to refile an application under that announcement even if they applied under the one we have applied under. They are not just going to throw away all the information they have collected on non-TSA applicants hoping they find enough TSA-employees to fill FAM spots. That would be a big mistake (once again the experience factor of outsiders). I am sure that we are still going to get the call, just don't have a time frame for when yet.

[kokopelli]

Those candidates would have to prove more qualified than you to be hired over you, if I'm not mistaken. To do otherwise (while I know it's possible), would be an idiotic risk in my opinion.

well, not necessarily true. This is being considered as a lateral/promotional opportunity for the screeners. The sad part is that FAMS has been ordered by TSA to set aside a number of the FAM openings for these screeners. The number could be a percentage of the openings, or a flat amount, that I don't know. The vacancy announcement says that they will have a 'streamlined' application process.

baggage screener=air marshal -that is like our police department taking a courthouse information clerk, and lateralling him over, and putting hiim straight on the SWAT team!!
Even if I had zero desire to be a FAM, I would think this was ridiculous. FAMS should not be an entry level LEO position!!

[psycho1000r]

well ill tell you all, im in the TSA right now all id did for me was give me soemthing to small talk with the interviewers.

I know we got a memo in our dept about 2 months ago stating a change in grade/series to make the transition to the FAMs easier, and that there are supposed to be X amount of slots left available for current tsa employees.

all that aside, im going through the same crap you guys are, waiting , tests, interview BI, so i dont see what benifit im gettnig out of it.

[psycho1000r]

Those candidates would have to prove more qualified than you to be hired over you, if I'm not mistaken. To do otherwise (while I know it's possible), would be an idiotic risk in my opinion.

well, not necessarily true. This is being considered as a lateral/promotional opportunity for the screeners. The sad part is that FAMS has been ordered by TSA to set aside a number of the FAM openings for these screeners. The number could be a percentage of the openings, or a flat amount, that I don't know. The vacancy announcement says that they will have a 'streamlined' application process.

baggage screener=air marshal -that is like our police department taking a courthouse information clerk, and lateralling him over, and putting hiim straight on the SWAT team!!
Even if I had zero desire to be a FAM, I would think this was ridiculous. FAMS should not be an entry level LEO position!!

i work worth some people who shouldnt be qualified to hold a cup. all i can say is that im the only one in my region applying for it so dont get all worried, most of the screeing force is well beyond the age cut off.

but i dont know what streamlined process your talking about, im doing the same stuff you all are.

[reddragon22]

I think alot of people are confused here with the whole TSA to FAMS thing. People are automatically calling it "B.S." so to speak that screeners are getting an opportunity to advance to a new level of career height. Why would that be a problem, do you think per your example that the police department hired a court house information aid as a police officer, its obviously for good reason. He or she must be qualified to do the job! Like was stated: This is being considered as a lateral/promotional opportunity for the screeners. Why shouldn't they have the opportunity to move forward as with any business. Some companies only promote within, so the only way to get to the top is to start from the bottom! What you dont point out is that you have to have atleast a year of security/aviation background to be a screener, true or untrue, but straight from job announcement. And a vast majority of the screeners if you ask them, have prior military, I would dare to say more than 40%. Or they have prior LE experience. So why does the word "screener" automatically mean they aren't qualified for the job. Some of you non-tsa have less qualifications then some of the screeners, or no qualifications what so ever. For the most part some of you have a BS and thats it, no time served no nothing, but yet, these "screeners" somehow aren't qualified enough to "hang" with the big boys. If a screener gets hired over me, more power to them. I've read a hell of alot of post about the FAMS hiring epidemic. For the most part alot of the people applying have very successful jobs and are just looking for a change. Unlike some of you the "screeners" arent making as much as half of you and just want a chance for advancement and since when is advancing and excelling a bad thing? I have been in the process waiting like most and I prayed ever day that call would come , but it didn't. Then when there was finally light with the PTA, I checked my email religiously, hoping for that email, that still hasn't come. People who apply/applied will have to go through the same waiting game! The SAME EXACT PROCESS!!! And why is this so bad: The sad part is that FAMS has been ordered by TSA to set aside a number of the FAM openings for these screeners. Just because a certain number of slots are set aside, doesnt mean they will get filled. So I say to those, who know who you are, think before you speak!

[reddragon22]

Quickly, another thing, thats failed to be mentioned is: This announcement is open to current TSA employees and current FAMS employees only Anyone see something there? That's right for current FAMS employees also, so we do know that FAMS consist more of federal air marshal. So what about the current secretaries, with prior military and LE background, should they not get a chance, because they are only secretaries after all! And as far as streamlining, no where in the job announcement does it say that. The only thing it does state is: Employees who have been granted a Top Secret clearance will not undergo the background investigation portion of the assessment process. All other applicants will be required to complete the associated Background Investigation documents online as part of the application process. And that sounds like nothing more than common sense to me.

[psycho1000r]

I think alot of people are confused here with the whole TSA to FAMS thing. People are automatically calling it "B.S." so to speak that screeners are getting an opportunity to advance to a new level of career height. Why would that be a problem, do you think per your example that the police department hired a court house information aid as a police officer, its obviously for good reason. He or she must be qualified to do the job! Like was stated: This is being considered as a lateral/promotional opportunity for the screeners. Why shouldn't they have the opportunity to move forward as with any business. Some companies only promote within, so the only way to get to the top is to start from the bottom! What you dont point out is that you have to have atleast a year of security/aviation background to be a screener, true or untrue, but straight from job announcement. And a vast majority of the screeners if you ask them, have prior military, I would dare to say more than 40%. Or they have prior LE experience. So why does the word "screener" automatically mean they aren't qualified for the job. Some of you non-tsa have less qualifications then some of the screeners, or no qualifications what so ever. For the most part some of you have a BS and thats it, no time served no nothing, but yet, these "screeners" somehow aren't qualified enough to "hang" with the big boys. If a screener gets hired over me, more power to them. I've read a hell of alot of post about the FAMS hiring epidemic. For the most part alot of the people applying have very successful jobs and are just looking for a change. Unlike some of you the "screeners" arent making as much as half of you and just want a chance for advancement and since when is advancing and excelling a bad thing? I have been in the process waiting like most and I prayed ever day that call would come , but it didn't. Then when there was finally light with the PTA, I checked my email religiously, hoping for that email, that still hasn't come. People who apply/applied will have to go through the same waiting game! The SAME EXACT PROCESS!!! And why is this so bad: The sad part is that FAMS has been ordered by TSA to set aside a number of the FAM openings for these screeners. Just because a certain number of slots are set aside, doesnt mean they will get filled. So I say to those, who know who you are, think before you speak!


BRAVO!! I agree 100%, not to mention that im one of those TSA people, lol

but you pretty much hit the nail on the head. i was in hte application process before this came out, so i was very excited when i did hear it!

[drepol]

not a big deal since these people have to be qualified

[reddragon22]

We have a couple of former TSA guys in our class, and all were supervisors or higher, and I would fly with them any day.

I am a man of the people and I know that not to be true, tell Tom I said HI.

[Threex]

I agree with the postings about age and qualifying experience to get hired as a flying fam. I would say, however, that since the fam hiring procedures are obviously not an exact "science" hiring other tsa employees first would be easier. To me it seems they would much rather roll their own kind over to flying fams, and then mass hire screeners for a much lower payscale. Hopefully most of the tsa employees are already set in their ways with the location and job duties in their position, as well as hearing all the negative feedback from current flying fams!!!!! I hope everyone gets a fair shot at getting hired regardless of where they currently are in the process, but it just seems with all the changes in the brass, the fam hiring is up to something fishy. Any thoughts??

[SD5326]

As I said earlier........

We are still being considered. To make a long story short, they are just looking for potential talent within TSA nothing more or less. Keep in mind it says that all TSA employees have to refile an application under that announcement even if they applied under the one we have applied under. They are not just going to throw away all the information they have collected on non-TSA applicants hoping they find enough TSA-employees to fill FAM spots. That would be a big mistake (once again the experience factor of outsiders). I am sure that we are still going to get the call, just don't have a time frame for when yet.

That announcement just gives them another pipeline to filter candidates already employed with the TSA. If the case is that they already have a clearance they will skip that part of the process (which could possibly get them hired faster than someone without one; the BI is always the longest portion of any hiring process). They still have to jump through all the other hoops and be just as or more qualified than non-TSA applicants in order to be selected. I would think that if they get TSA employees that match all of the above they will more than likely be preferred over a non-TSA employee. I still think chances are good for non-TSA employees just because of the experience factor.

[FedLEO83]

I know one Air Marshal that recently retired and another that is still on the job. This is a tough job. Some LEO jobs are more dangerous than others, and this one is tough. After all, if poop breaks out, a person could have 32,000 feet below them. I like my feet on the ground. I have a lot of respect for those in this part of the CJ System.

:)

[intheair]

My question is are they doing the physical fitness tests in groups or just individually as applicants are selected? How often are they doing th tests? I read that you must do the test within 90 days of going off to FLETC so if you take the test and do well in all categorys does that mean you are going to FLETC?

[0351]

Just got in from my PTA, so here's what I know.
My question is are they doing the physical fitness tests in groups or just individually as applicants are selected?
I don't know how they're selecting people to do it, but there was only 1 other person doing it with me today, and they said they had 1 guy do it on Saturday. Compare this to the 15 or so people I interviewed with on one day of at least an entire week of interviews out of that field office.

How often are they doing th tests?

No clue.

I read that you must do the test within 90 days of going off to FLETC so if you take the test and do well in all categorys does that mean you are going to FLETC?
I wish. There are certainly no guarantees on that, although we spoke with a supervisor and he said things certainly looked good for us.

[fuddy1975]

Hey guys check this one out

As it stands now all I have to complete is my medical and PT Assessment. The medical was originally cancelled in August because of (BS). Now the issue was resolved a few weeks ago, but the problem is They (FAMS) aren't doing any physicals now, so I may have to wait until they come up with a new batch of applicants to complete the final 2 stages. Avue is working on this issue for me as we speak, but man ...it's always something

[kokopelli]

...finished everything back on September the 6th, medical got my results on the 16th...just got cleared from the medical department last week...email about PTA came today. -I think someone asked about the timeline, and where others were-?
soooo...now I wait for them to call and schedule it.

[intheair]

I too finished everything on Sept 6th and was asked to go through some further medical stuff for a past surgery. I very recently got a call saying I was medically cleared. Have yet to get the email or call for the physical fitness test hope it comes soon.

[kokopelli]

oh, by the way, my email from Avue was dated DECEMBER 4, 2005 -keep in mind I got this email on JANUARY 18th!!-you think Avue is a little behind??

[intheair]

Did that cause any problems for you since you received it so late besides the fact that it slowed your process up. I guess I am just waiting for the pta test and thats all hope it comes soon.

[0351]

just got a call in regards to my current salary.

Hiring's started up again ladies and gents.
Good luck.

[intheair]

Can you expand on that? I still have yet to get my PTA test in does that mean I still have lots of waiting or will I be in the next round. Any new infor would be great thanks in advance.

[0351]

This is probably for the next class they have coming up. There will certainly be more classes in the near future, so it's not bad news for anyone not done yet.

[kokopelli]

hey 0351, how long was it from the time you replied to take the pta, until they called you to schedule it?

[0351]

I got the job.

I got the avue email on Dec 16 about the pta. They called to schedule it on Jan 6, and I took it Jan 16.
This may not be typical, considering the holidays, notifying the field offices, and field offices finding when they wanted to do it.

[kokopelli]

:eek: good deal! I can't post over on 911 forums anymore for some reason- I saw you over there, too. Did they give you any idea when you and others would go to artesia? I had heard an early March start date was in the works.

[0351]

approx. 2 weeks after that.

[kokopelli]

more Avue problems...
I got the email on Jan 18th to sign up for the pta. I responded as soon as I saw the email, which was the next day, the 19th. I chose 'as soon as possible'. Just today I logged into Avue to double check my reply, and my choice was highlighted, with 'you replied on Jan 19th'.
So this eve, I get this email from Avue:
Five days ago you received a notice to return to your online application and sign up for your Physical Training Assessment. You have not yet signed up or declined to take this assessment. The initial requirement was for you to do so within ten days of that original notice. You now have five days from the date of this message to register by selecting one of the following scheduling options for assessment:...
and went on to say, of course, I would not be considered if I didn't reply, etc... and now Avue is down for maintenance!!! :confused: :confused:
I guess I need to find a phone number for Avue!! -Probably won't be anyone there on the weekend, though! Or should I try FAMS HR instead? I guess they're waiting to get a reply from Avue to schedule me!!

[intheair]

I personally would call avue and explain the situation and tell them it was not your fault. One thing I have learned since I started this process in june is that you have to call people and stay on top of them non stop after all its your career. Good luck and I hope it works out for you.

[kokopelli]

I tried calling them earlier, as they were having weekend hours back in the summer when all this started, but not now. I'll have to wait until monday morning. In the meantime, I've emailed them, and even 'cut and pasted' my reply and sent it in, so they can see what I see.

[psycho1000r]

i have my psych interview tuesday.

[intheair]

Good luck with the interview

[rsm1969]

Is there anyone in this forum that started the FAMS process last summer/fall that has been offered, accepted and started FAMS training?

[vicmackey]

I have a question, and maybe this has already been answered somewhere. I just got the conditional offer of employment email. Do I just reply to the Avue digital sight that sent it to me to accept, or do i have to do something else? Also is the starting salary really only $36,400??? or does this have to do with experience.

[0351]

I have a question, and maybe this has already been answered somewhere. I just got the conditional offer of employment email. Do I just reply to the Avue digital sight that sent it to me to accept, or do i have to do something else? Also is the starting salary really only $36,400??? or does this have to do with experience.
You don't have to do anything but wait for them to give you an interview.
The lowest base salary is really 36,400, but they may give you more if you currently make more, or if you qualify for the H pay band. On top of the base salary you add locality, and then LEAP. So in NY, where locality is 22.9% or so, your total pay (before everything's taken out of course) would be at least around 55,000. Keep in mind in NY that's not as much as it may seem like if you have a family.

Also, to anyone else reporting in NY on the 21, PM me if you're interested in splitting the hotel room I have reserved or transportation from the airport.

[Threex]

Hey congratulations/good luck to you bro, any new info you can get for us losers still waiting for the call would be appreciated!!! Your one of the "chosen ones" now !! Have fun with it.

[gonefishin]

Is there anyone in this forum that started the FAMS process last summer/fall that has been offered, accepted and started FAMS training?

I started in october and am currently in training at fletc

[Dlbomber1]

Hey guys, ok so I applied in October with alot of experience in Military and IT well I got my LOE and even somehow got transferred by accident to my field office here in charlotte, nc to talk to a recruiter. He told me they waited to get a group of applicants as a whole instead of one guy to get them through at the same time instead of having to do it all the time. Now thats all groovy and all but on the Avue site is it supposed to say PTA next to my application now? Or anything is supposed to have changed? Ive been waiting since October 5th for ANYTHING lol. I havent gotten anything since sending in my Medical paperwork, that wasnt it I had no injuries nor surgerys etc..... I keep trying to call avue and cant get anyone keep getting vmail. Just kinda fustrating not hearing anything in reference to my app. Congrats to all who did make it though!:) I did at one time forget about this and was waiting around then i saw the changes they were making and I felt like I was being pushed further and further down the list. October 5th and all i got was the COE and rushed to get paperwork in. LOL, ill stop whining , the main question is , is it supposed to say something about the PTA on my app now or is it still supposed to say on my status :Complete-tentavily passed basic Qualifications? Can someone give me some nonguessing insight ?

[manstown]

No PTA email until you finish the hiring process. If you have finished and you haven't received the email, you will get it soon. I just got a call from Avue last night and the woman said that they are still hiring and that they are sending out emails if you are not going any further in the process. If you haven't received that yet, then just like the rest, no news is good news. I guess the best advice is to be patient.

Manstown

[vicmackey]

how many different trips do you have to make during the hiring process.

[0351]

how many different trips do you have to make during the hiring process.
You'll have to go to the field office twice, once to interview/written psych/drug test, and again after everything else for the PTA.
You'll have to make a trip to the psychologist and to a medical center for the oral psych and a physical.

So in all, 4, two to the field office, and two that will likely be a shorter distance, unless you live particularly close to the field office.

[igneous]

I applied quite a while ago and got my conditional offer, then got another email asking for my Personal and Medical Information Release Forms, which I did by scanning them and attaching them within my application on avue. That was in the middle of november, and since then I have heard nothing back. I emailed them the other day to find out the status, but no answer yet. Anyone in a similar position as me?

[Dlbomber1]

That would be me also, although I applied in early October. I talked to the field office today the actual FAMS recruiter was saying avue is handling everything and is not quite sure why theres so much difficulty. He said hes only been sent one name in the last 7months and he took my name down. He told me to stay on top of them because with all the applicants its easy for them to overlook an older applicant. But its been said over and over to me to be patient and ive seen others have been here before also like 0351 but now hes hired. So im going to press avue a alittle not enough to burn a bridge but just enough to find out a little bit more info about the new entry of the PTA and how some applicants are seen and some are overlooked.

[igneous]

I just got a response, they said:
FAMS is administering the interview and examination and selection phases for this vacancy, and therefore we do not have specific information pertaining to each applicant and their status. Please wait for further contact from FAMS.

[psycho1000r]

i took my psych interview yesterday, the doc told me he was going to recommend me for hire. it was alot shorter than i expected and the questions werent as bizzare as i though.
so whats the next step after the psych interview? how far along am i?

[0351]

so whats the next step after the psych interview? how far along am i?
You have to have a physical if you haven't, clear medical (a week later or so), get the PTA email, get scheduled for a PTA, take the PTA and wait.

[StevenA]

There is NOW an agility Test..Chin-ups...push-ups----sit-ups and 1 1/2 mile run

[uscp5190]

Has anybody been reading the air marshal blog on delphi forums.com? Some very interesting things on there.

[psycho1000r]

Has anybody been reading the air marshal blog on delphi forums.com? Some very interesting things on there.


got a link?

[uscp5190]

go to www.delphiforums.com you'll see the civic/gov't on the left column

[Paroled]

How can I find the number to any field office in Alabama. I've spoke with AVUE and with FAMS Human Resources and I almost get the feeling that they do not want to help me. I have yet to receive a medical or psych. I had all my required documentation forwarded to AVUE sometime ago. When I asked FAMS Human Resources for a field office number, they informed me that they did not have that information. I'm horribly confused?

[0351]

How can I find the number to any field office in Alabama. I've spoke with AVUE and with FAMS Human Resources and I almost get the feeling that they do not want to help me. I have yet to receive a medical or psych. I had all my required documentation forwarded to AVUE sometime ago. When I asked FAMS Human Resources for a field office number, they informed me that they did not have that information. I'm horribly confused?

I'm in Alabama, and I went through the process through Atlanta. I dont think Alabama has a field office. Also, I don't believe the numbers for the field offices are meant to be distributed by HR or anyone online.

There's no discernable reasoning behind how people are going through the process now. Have you interviewed yet? The psych doesn't come until after an interview. Also, everyone who gets a COE isn't necessarily going to get an interview, and when interviews are scheduled depends on when they have enough people for a particular field office (one you selected as being closest to you in the application process).

Not sure if that helps, but good luck.

edit: also not sure the field offices could give you much help if you got in touch with them. The only calls I got from the field office were for scheduling an interview and the pta

[Paroled]

I haven't even received notification for any sort of interview. So, even if I did receive a COE, and sent all supplemental documentation, there's still a chance that I will not go any further in the hiring process?

[SD5326]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but, aren't there still a number of people on this forum waiting for the medical portion? Has anyone been notified to do the medical recently?

[manstown]

I haven't even received notification for any sort of interview. So, even if I did receive a COE, and sent all supplemental documentation, there's still a chance that I will not go any further in the hiring process?
That is correct. There is no guarantee that you will get anything. It sucks, but that is how the hiring process goes. Alot of us have had a COE since September with no calls at all. The only call I had was to verify some things for my security clearance. The best thing to do is assume you won't get the job and be surprised if you get a call.
Also, everyone that filled out the application completely and turned it in, received a COE. So getting it means little. I wish you the best of luck.

Manstown

[Threex]

AVUE IS UNREAL!!!
i just logged into avue to check for anything new, and my application is now stating "incomplete" Everything except for the PTA test has been done since Sept. I WAS just waiting for the PTA date since i checked "as soon as possible" and submitted it back on 12/7. Any ideas other than bitching at Avue over the phone if i can ever reach a live person? I just left them a message. :mad:

[intheair]

I received the E-mail from Avue to schedule the PTA test. I requested as soon as possible. Does anyone have a ball park idea of how soon I will be contacted by a recruiter? What field offices are doing the tests? Did anyone else out there receive the email?

[StevenA]

Just looked on BI portion and they have me going to my doc to fill out some paperwork on past surgery for last 10 years...some cardio work, blood for cholesterol and sugar, known migrane(s.) Also dexterity, strength, sight and hearing...??? Was told to bring these to Physical exam. But they have not asked for me to schedule with them as of yet. This is Federal...remember??? Hurry and wait. Kind of like an endurance test..how much can ya take??

[intheair]

Can anyone give me the scoop on these PTA tests? If you don't score excellents across the board are you out of the running? Is it pass fail? Anyone have any knowledge of how this works?

[Threex]

my pta is scheduled for tomorow

[StevenA]

OK...for the FAM PTA Handbook...I have it in PDF give me your e-mail and I'll send it.

Now, does anyone know how to schedule the appts for Physical and all the rest?? Each time I go to avue to check on BI...a new form is listed for me to download and print. Will they be sending contact info for such??

[sco0437]

Well this is definately a long process... I certified my application in early July.. got the Conditional Offer, which is about as valuable as a non winning lottery ticket and havent heard anything since.

I'm a Certified LEO, Bachelor's degree, and an FAA Licensed pilot.. the waiting continues...

Congrats to those who are moving along in the process!

[StevenA]

Well this is definately a long process... I certified my application in early July.. got the Conditional Offer, which is about as valuable as a non winning lottery ticket and havent heard anything since.

I'm a Certified LEO, Bachelor's degree, and an FAA Licensed pilot.. the waiting continues...

Congrats to those who are moving along in the process!


Keep checking th BI section at avue...seems every once in awhile something new pops up there in the 'forms' section.

[igneous]

OK...for the FAM PTA Handbook...I have it in PDF give me your e-mail and I'll send it.

Now, does anyone know how to schedule the appts for Physical and all the rest?? Each time I go to avue to check on BI...a new form is listed for me to download and print. Will they be sending contact info for such??
Here is the link to the pdf
http://www.avuedigitalservices.com/pdf/OTD_Pre-Training_Guide.pdf

[Threex]

Has anyone's present job been contacted twice by the fams? (if your in the process, or already got hired)

[SD5326]

Threex,

Check out 911jobforums.com . The wheels are starting to spin for those who have completed everything.

[MIDeputy]

:p Here is the link to the pdf
http://www.avuedigitalservices.com/pdf/OTD_Pre-Training_Guide.pdf

My post here has nothing to do with trying to get hired by the Federal Air Marshal Service, but something I found that I though everyone might get a kick out of. If you click on the link above posted by "igneous" which will take you to the Federal Air Marshal's Pre-Training Guide. Look on page 38 at the bullet point just above the "1.5 - Mile Run Scoring Chart" It states as follows:

"Candidates should refrain from any physical exertion and should not
smoke or eat for two or three years before the 1.5 mile assessment."

Yeah not smoking a few years before a 1.5 mile run is a good tip, but I think you may want to eat in the years leading up to your run. I don't know about you, but I need food as fuel to function before I run a mile and a half.

[psycho1000r]

:p

:

"Candidates should refrain from any physical exertion and should not
smoke or eat for two or three years before the 1.5 mile assessment."

Yeah not smoking a few years before a 1.5 mile run is a good tip, but I think you may want to eat in the years leading up to your run. I don't know about you, but I need food as fuel to function before I run a mile and a half.


lol, i noticed that too!!

[SD5326]

Psycho,

Heard anything about scheduling your medical physical yet?

[psycho1000r]

Psycho,

Heard anything about scheduling your medical physical yet?


actually maybe u can help me with htis, on avue, they say i have to print out forms and take them to physician, now am i to understand that this is at my own expnese????

im supposed to take forms to my doctor and have him fill them out. is that the medical???

[SD5326]

actually maybe u can help me with htis, on avue, they say i have to print out forms and take them to physician, now am i to understand that this is at my own expnese????

im supposed to take forms to my doctor and have him fill them out. is that the medical???

I believe you get your own physician to fill out the SF-93 (REPORT OF MED HISTORY) and then wait for Avue, FAMs, or whoever to contact you and then to go to the Federal Medical Building in your area to get the other things completed. I was just wondering if they had started contacting people for the med portion because they seem to be stopping people after they get done with the psych interview. I know of several people that have not been contacted for the med exam, but have been done with the psych interview for a few months now.

[vicmackey]

I got an email that says I have to fill out two release forms and send them back in...where do I find these to download? It says to look in the backgrund investigation section...however I just find instructions there that tell you that they will do background checks.

[LDIMATTI]

anyone get hired in the H or I pay bands?

[SD5326]

Vic,

You should be able to go into the background section and click on the link "required documents" and then print the release forms and sign them. Then you can either scan and attach it to your Background Investigation or fax it in to Avue.

[Dlbomber1]

anyone get hired in the H or I pay bands?

This is great question because I believe this may have alot to do with how they are selecting. I am in payband "I" and I got my COE on OCT 5th. I have sat by and watched the forums here and on Jobs911 and I have noticed a little pattern yet I have not seen every applicants payband. But it seems like thier hiring the lowest they can. Makes sense if your short on money. I am thinking about applying for an ICE CI 1811 and test my luck there since im waitng anyway lol. Someone gave me some advice which is good advice "live like you never heard of a FAM and one day when you least expect it or want it they will call lol." But has anyone been hired under payband I or higher?

[0351]

yet I have not seen every applicants payband. But it seems like thier hiring the lowest they can. Makes sense if your short on money... has anyone been hired under payband I or higher?
I don't think I've heard what any more than one other person is coming in as. And if you're looking for justification that people who are most likely less qualified than you (read: me. no offense taken either way), I don't believe there's been anyone hired yet who received their COE any later than August after applying in July or so.
I don't think it's a huge money issue. If they're short on money while as understaffed as the rumor is that they are, then things can't be good for the future. Hiring a lot of Pay Band G's just means that in the next few years when almost of them are H's and I's they'll still have to shell out the cash.

[vicmackey]

Vic,

You should be able to go into the background section and click on the link "required documents" and then print the release forms and sign them. Then you can either scan and attach it to your Background Investigation or fax it in to Avue.

thanks I'll give that shot.....didn't work. I just get an explanation that the government will do a background check. Nothing to click on. I contacted AVUE by e mail. This has not been a very easy process so far. Does anyone know if there is a number to contact AVUE by phone. That would be a lot easier because I think there must be an error with my app.

[LDIMATTI]

is anyone still waiting to be contacted for there medical??? FYI... heard the FAMS are only going to have two classes this fiscal year(March and April Class)... I believe the Federal Fiscal Yr runs from Jan- Dec.... has anyone heard the same?

[0351]

is anyone still waiting to be contacted for there medical??? FYI... heard the FAMS are only going to have two classes this fiscal year(March and April Class)... I believe the Federal Fiscal Yr runs from Jan- Dec.... has anyone heard the same?
Fiscal year '06 is Oct 05 - Sept 06
Where did you hear there would only be two classes? If that is the case, I feel pretty lucky. Is it only going to be two classes or that they only have two scheduled currently?

[Threex]

i know of one with a start date of march 2nd in NY

[psycho1000r]

thanks I'll give that shot.....didn't work. I just get an explanation that the government will do a background check. Nothing to click on. I contacted AVUE by e mail. This has not been a very easy process so far. Does anyone know if there is a number to contact AVUE by phone. That would be a lot easier because I think there must be an error with my app.



vic same thing happenned to me.. USE THE LINK THEY GIVE YOU IN THE EMAIL THEY SENT YOU! cut and paste it. when i used that link and logged in, i got the background investigation promt.