Air Marshal Job Open !

[VCSOMotor91]

What is the % of students that fail out of the class? I heard phase two is a ball buster and it if you do not have what it takes it will break you.

[Tachibana]

Just got the email

[WilsonCQB1911]

Hmm... I haven't gotten that e-mail.... "yet"? Did anything change in avue for you guys that got it?

I'd still like to hold out hope....

[manstown]

What is the % of students that fail out of the class? I heard phase two is a ball buster and it if you do not have what it takes it will break you.

You heard wrong. Phase II isn't hard at all. The worse part of Phase II is the shooting. And when I say the worst, I mean the portion people have the hardest time with. They have some excellent instructors in firearms, at least they did when I went through, but if you can't shoot, or you're a par shot, you may find yourself going home. Mind you it's not the same course as when they originally hired after 9/11 but it still is a tough shooting course for many. I think we lost 8 people to shooting when I went through.

[KIDFIRE79]

Just got the email as well. They do not anticipate to hire anymore this fiscal year, oh well. I hope I have better luck next time.

To all that have received the call, congratulations.

Good luck

[jetset1]

Got it!!!:mad:

[Lucky 317]

Got mine 24 minutes ago... Guess I didn't apply soon enough this year... Well, next on the list is the ATF. I heard they were going to open up in about 4-6 weeks. We'll see. :rolleyes:

[Short-Round]

I also participated in the PT test, 2 interviews, and drug testing back in April and just got the email 2 hours ago. Does anyone know if this means that those of us who participated in April will be looked at this year or next year?

[Clevbrownies]

Tue, 17 Jun 2008 23:00:03,
The Federal Air Marshal Service is not anticipating any additional hiring activities for Federal Air Marshals in the near future. However, we will keep your application on file for consideration for future hiring opportunities. We will review your information along with the information of others who applied for the vacancy when we determine more vacant positions exist.

Good luck to all the folks that are heading to training,
be safe out there!

[NS1286]

Congratulations to everyone who got selected and good luck to the rest of us.

Square one for me.

[gpan202]

Yeah I got mine as well for the new announcement...from this year.

I was done with everything from the old announcement (2005) in March.

This blows...

[Statetriple]

GOT THE E-MAIL

Well thats it then Good Luck to ALL!!!!!

[hryupnwait107]

Ouch..Got the email last night...Semper Nuts, boys...

[heat6]

Yep, I got the e-mail last night too. Do they mean fiscal year or "real-time" year though?

[BPD Once]

Does anyone know what the living conditions are like at Artesia. I need to know if there is internet access so I can get a sprint or verizon card if not. I am just starting to get things together since the start if training is quickly approaching. Any response would be great.

[Short-Round]

Hopefully fiscal year which should place it around OCT/NOV time frame for next hiring. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

[SPC-D]

Got my letter as well, good luck to all who got in. Also goodluck to every one next fiscal.

[futurefed21]

same email...out of curiosity you guys who got the email---did you do the panel & pta or no?

[audi0xpl0de]

same email...out of curiosity you guys who got the email---did you do the panel & pta or no?

I was still waiting for the initial phone interview.

[Thor1911]

same email...out of curiosity you guys who got the email---did you do the panel & pta or no?
I did everything twice!!!! I got my email yesterday. I will stay active and reapply if necessary. I was just waiting on "the call" with the EOD. Oh, well at least I will be able to do the summer vacation with the family and be around for possibly the wife's birthday.

[NS1286]

same email...out of curiosity you guys who got the email---did you do the panel & pta or no?

I did everything--panel, PTA, drug test. I was optimistic because even though I didn't have a law enforcement background I did really well on the PTA.

Anyone going to try other agencies? I signed up for the Border Patrol test.

[audi0xpl0de]

I did everything--panel, PTA, drug test. I was optimistic because even though I didn't have a law enforcement background I did really well on the PTA.

Anyone going to try other agencies? I signed up for the Border Patrol test.

I've also applied to AFOSI and NCIS.

[Tachibana]

Last leg of BPA

AFOSI, USSS

[Lucky 317]

Just applied with the FBI....

[GuyinCali]

same email...out of curiosity you guys who got the email---did you do the panel & pta or no?

I did the entire process three times, once at WFO 2005, old announcement LAFO March 2008 and new announcement LAFO April 2008. I completed panel interview, medical, PTA, and SAC interview, three different times.
I just submitted for the BP see what that process is like...

Good Luck to all, look at it this way, everything happens for a reason...

God Bless...

[INTHEAIRCOP]

I take it that this forum will come to a stand still now that the bad news e-mail came out. Well good luck to you all and keep on trying.

[hryupnwait107]

same email...out of curiosity you guys who got the email---did you do the panel & pta or no?

I had completed contingent letter, phone interview, panel, pt, and ua. Passed everything. Was waiting on equip and fingerprints.

[Up_On_Base]

I did everything except the medical.

I spoke with a former USSS contact who is currently w/ FAMS. He said they are done for this FY, once the budget is approved in Octoberish more call should go out but for now all the FO's have completed hiring.

Just gives you more time to look at other opportunities and evaluate if FAMS is the right fit for your personality and LE goals. If you are looking for a more traditional knock down the door, lights/sirens, lock em up agency there is a nationwide police shortage, especially out west...good luck all.

[jetset1]

I did everything except the medical.

I spoke with a former USSS contact who is currently w/ FAMS. He said they are done for this FY, once the budget is approved in Octoberish more call should go out but for now all the FO's have completed hiring.

Just gives you more time to look at other opportunities and evaluate if FAMS is the right fit for your personality and LE goals. If you are looking for a more traditional knock down the door, lights/sirens, lock em up agency there is a nationwide police shortage, especially out west...good luck all.

I'm pretty sure all on this site and all of those who made it through the whole process are aware of the day to day activities of the FAMS. All will continue to apply and reach out to other agencies. By the way, the BI isn't done by retired FBI. They are done by Kroll, CACI, OMNI, USIS or OPM all of which (except for OPM) are contract investigators. Good luck to all but with the cost of fuel as well as all the extra fees now being put on the customer there is going to be a big drop in passengers. Then there is the news of American Airlines having a 1 in 2 chance of folding this year along with NorthWest with a 1 in 4 chance, things are not going to be hopping for new hires any time soon. Also, include all of the drops in routes for ALL airlines it just makes sense that there won't be that much of a demand for new hires. Good Luck ALL! I would love to get the call yet I feel that this was the big wave and the rest will on be little ripples:( Take care all!! (Just my thought for what ever that is worth) :rolleyes:

By the way, born and raised in New Jersey! If anyone is going to Newark look at Old Bridge Township as a possible place to live. You can get a 3 bed 2 bath from the high 200's to low 300's.. Taxes are a little high but hey your in a state that only votes for Dem's(don't blame me some of us voted for the Republicans). Good luck and remember New Jersey is the Garden State!!

[Lucky 317]

same email...out of curiosity you guys who got the email---did you do the panel & pta or no?

All I did was apply on AVUE... wait 7 weeks, and got the stand still email yesterday. I was hoping to at least get a phone interview, but better luck next time. Good luck to everyone else who made it through prior to the email.

[Short-Round]

I applied in March, got the phone interview in March, done panel interview/PT/and testing in April, told I would get a call at the end of May for further stuff and if I was hired for June/July, got the "we aren't hiring" email instead in June :)

[BigWill2876]

HIRING;

To those with the email may I suggest NYPD.
They are hiring, classes usually start July and Jan of approx 1,000+ per class.
The Academy recruits just got pumped up to 36K.
A program called "Quest" allows out of state applicants to do mulitple parts of the hiring process on scheduled weekends.

Good luck to all that continue with the ideal of law enforcement as a career.

[futurefed21]

thanks for all the responses fellas...i just feel weird that they never even gave me an interview...i have a Masters & several years of civilian LE/analysis experience (i know people with a lot less who got interviews at least)...and i applied to Newark/NY region which ive been told needs the most people...ok enough bitching lol...good luck all!

[Tachibana]

ATF is hiring Investigative Anaysts GS - 7/9 in a couple of metropolitan areas including NYC. Good luck everyone.

[HINRG]

I got the same message today. I am going to keep my fingers crossed. Good luck to all of you who have provided such great information for the rest of us.

[PigsdoFly]

I'm pretty sure all on this site and all of those who made it through the whole process are aware of the day to day activities of the FAMS. All will continue to apply and reach out to other agencies. By the way, the BI isn't done by retired FBI. They are done by Kroll, CACI, OMNI, USIS or OPM all of which (except for OPM) are contract investigators. Good luck to all but with the cost of fuel as well as all the extra fees now being put on the customer there is going to be a big drop in passengers. Then there is the news of American Airlines having a 1 in 2 chance of folding this year along with NorthWest with a 1 in 4 chance, things are not going to be hopping for new hires any time soon. Also, include all of the drops in routes for ALL airlines it just makes sense that there won't be that much of a demand for new hires. Good Luck ALL! I would love to get the call yet I feel that this was the big wave and the rest will on be little ripples:( Take care all!! (Just my thought for what ever that is worth)


OPM doesn't do investigations, they contract it out to other agencies. They evaluate what is found and have the final say on whether you pass. Northwest isnt going anywhere, they merged with Delta. Just cause some routes are dropped doesn't really mean a thing, there are close to 26,000 flights a day. So there will always be need for new hires. The question is when.

[jetset1]

OPM doesn't do investigations, they contract it out to other agencies. They evaluate what is found and have the final say on whether you pass. Northwest isnt going anywhere, they merged with Delta. Just cause some routes are dropped doesn't really mean a thing, there are close to 26,000 flights a day. So there will always be need for new hires. The question is when.

Just want to let you know that OPM does indeed do investigations and their office is located in Hollywood. Go into Broward County Sheriff or Miami Dade police HDQTRs on any given day and you will see many doing law checks. Yes there is a % given out to contractors and as of late that % has gotten smaller and smaller with OPM hiring back alot of their Investigators that had been part of the privatization(U.S. Investigations ie..USIS) under the Clinton Gore admin. Alot of my friends would be pretty disappointed to learn that they really are not doing what they get paid to do for OPM(BI Investigations). As for the adjudication aspect of the BI that's a whole other deal. ;)

[Bearcat357]

OPM doesn't do investigations, they contract it out to other agencies.

As stated....OPM does in fact do some of their own investigations. Check out 1810 series under OPM.....Jobs don't pop up all the time.....but they are out there.....

OPM had a big hiring kick out in DC 2 years ago. I checked it out.....but didn't like the fact I would be running around DC/NVA unarmed..... :eek:

Their folks get a GOV ride, laptop/printer, and creds just like the contractors do.....and work from their homes.....

I personnally don't think the USG will allow one of the major Airlines to go away......especially if it's United or American. They will bail them out again like what happened after 9-11..... Letting them go would kill our economy......

[Navalaircrewman]

Just want to let you know that OPM does indeed do investigations and their office is located in Hollywood. Go into Broward County Sheriff or Miami Dade police HDQTRs on any given day and you will see many doing law checks. Yes there is a % given out to contractors and as of late that % has gotten smaller and smaller with OPM hiring back alot of their Investigators that had been part of the privatization(U.S. Investigations ie..USIS) under the Clinton Gore admin. Alot of my friends would be pretty disappointed to learn that they really are not doing what they get paid to do for OPM(BI Investigations). As for the adjudication aspect of the BI that's a whole other deal. ;)

...Yes, the adjudicating is done by the agency requesting the SSBI/BI/ANACI,etc.....and yes both OPM investigators and contractors do the field work
see: http://www.opm.gov/extra/investigate/

[Steve03xx]

Just in case any of you missed this story....

FAMS doing their job and making the news and surprisingly not a negative spin on the agency.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/06/19/tsa.drunk.passenger/index.html

Good job guys!!!

[Up_On_Base]

I'm pretty sure all on this site and all of those who made it through the whole process are aware of the day to day activities of the FAMS.

Maybe...Maybe not.

Until you actually stand post or sit on a plane everyday and are bored out of your mind you are not %100 aware of the job.

It's a major reason why FAMS/USSS-UD/USCP and other security based positions have high turnover rates. I remember my UD days, sometimes I would think "what am I am doing here...I thought we were cops". I guess you just need a certain mindset.

I will agree that many of the peeps on this board "get it" but it's never bad to remind people of the job...there are many who shotgun resumes to any/all LE jobs just for the badge and gun...then quit a year later.

[kevinTA]

I don't understand this. I got the email yesterday about no more hiring, but today a friend called me and said the investigator stopped her house TODAY asking questions about me. In the past week he has hit 5 people who I put down on E-qip, not including my neighbors also. I have not even done the PT yet. It would seem they are doing a little more than the pre-hire backround check but I thought they did that only after you were hired?

[Up_On_Base]

I don't understand this. I got the email yesterday about no more hiring, but today a friend called me and said the investigator stopped her house TODAY asking questions about me. In the past week he has hit 5 people who I put down on E-qip, not including my neighbors also. I have not even done the PT yet. It would seem they are doing a little more than the pre-hire backround check but I thought they did that only after you were hired?

You will probably get hired, they might be waiting for additional funds to open up...maybe someone backed out of the current process or they will offer in Oct/Nov...who knows.

Every process is different/unique and each FO does their own thing...good luck

[warrior 76]

thanks for all the responses fellas...i just feel weird that they never even gave me an interview...i have a Masters & several years of civilian LE/analysis experience (i know people with a lot less who got interviews at least)...and i applied to Newark/NY region which ive been told needs the most people...ok enough bitching lol...good luck all!

hey boss, sorry to hear that. things happen for reason who knows god has different plans for you. as i said its not the end of the world. well you asked me if i have any LE exp. or any military background. Yes i have both. I am a jarhead and a pig for nypd. i still did not hear anything from them, i think that i either deleted that e mail by mistake (lol) or they dont even bother with me(lol) any way good luck to you and keep in touch. ooohhrrraaa. :p

[futurefed21]

well that def makes me feel better to hear another qualified candidate did not get interviewed! lol ill talk to ya soon bro good luck & stay safe..

[Short-Round]

I just received my "Contingent Letter" offer as well for the back ground etc.
I wonder if that means for this up coming new Fiscal year or they are still processing some people or what?

[Chiller]

Someone left our dept. today and starts monday with FAMs..

He will be out of Regan National

[dsns5000]

I guess they are Indeed still hiring, maybe just not new hires?:confused:

[Chiller]

Maybe...Maybe not.

Until you actually stand post or sit on a plane everyday and are bored out of your mind you are not %100 aware of the job.

It's a major reason why FAMS/USSS-UD/USCP and other security based positions have high turnover rates. I remember my UD days, sometimes I would think "what am I am doing here...I thought we were cops". I guess you just need a certain mindset.

I will agree that many of the peeps on this board "get it" but it's never bad to remind people of the job...there are many who shotgun resumes to any/all LE jobs just for the badge and gun...then quit a year later.



This is very true....I know my job can get boring but even myself couldnt even fathom sitting on a airplane day to day....I'd last 1 month tops doing that. I know many that left USCP several years ago to go to FAMs have already quit and are elsewhere

[celticpilot]

FYI, I noticed an open posting for the TSA, as a criminal investigator (1811), with their Inspector's Office. You can follow up on this with the thread upon the subject

Doesn't sound as sexy as being a FAM, but in reality you might find it more interesting if you have the quals.

[Chiller]

FYI, I noticed an open posting for the TSA, as a criminal investigator (1811), with their Inspector's Office. You can follow up on this with the thread upon the subject

Doesn't sound as sexy as being a FAM, but in reality you might find it more interesting if you have the quals.



I know someone that is an 1811 with TSA and she absolutley loves the job. Lots of travel comes along with it to places all over the world

[manstown]

FYI, I noticed an open posting for the TSA, as a criminal investigator (1811), with their Inspector's Office. You can follow up on this with the thread upon the subject

Doesn't sound as sexy as being a FAM, but in reality you might find it more interesting if you have the quals.

There's absolutely nothing "sexy" about being a FAM. I did it for almost 2 years. The job itself isn't that bad, pretty easy actually. Get to travel on the Governments dime and see places you might have never gone to if you weren't a FAM. But there is absolutely nothing glamorous or sexy about it. If that's why you won't to be a FAM, to be sexy, you have no business doing the job.

[Bearcat357]

FYI, I noticed an open posting for the TSA, as a criminal investigator (1811), with their Inspector's Office.

A. Folks that apply for those positions need to have already gone through FLETC Crim Investigator program. It's posted in the annoucement.

B. Those jobs are IA in nature.....for TSA. One would suspect they are ramping up because of giving screeners badges.....but that's only a guess on my part.

A couple of my FAM buddies flew with a team of IA folks a few weeks ago. They talked and the IA folks said that they were swamped with stuff involving screeners and had no time for messing with FAMs unless it was serious stuff....

[PigsdoFly]

There's absolutely nothing "sexy" about being a FAM. I did it for almost 2 years. The job itself isn't that bad, pretty easy actually. Get to travel on the Governments dime and see places you might have never gone to if you weren't a FAM. But there is absolutely nothing glamorous or sexy about it. If that's why you won't to be a FAM, to be sexy, you have no business being doing the job.

I feel sexy :cool:

[celticpilot]

There's absolutely nothing "sexy" about being a FAM. I did it for almost 2 years. The job itself isn't that bad, pretty easy actually. Get to travel on the Governments dime and see places you might have never gone to if you weren't a FAM. But there is absolutely nothing glamorous or sexy about it. If that's why you won't to be a FAM, to be sexy, you have no business being doing the job.That's why I posted what I did.

I have nothing but the highest respect for those that serve as FAM's, but I know from working around them that it is nothing like a Wesley Snipes movie. But then again, being a pilot is nothing like the movies either...

(Well ok, at times it is kinda like "Airplane" ;) )

[GitmoVet]

When people ask me what I would be be doing as a FAM (were I to get hired) I tell them "Watch the first season of 24. After that watch the movie The Long Kiss Goodnight. Enjoy them because it's nothing like either one."


When I took this job I thought I was going to be Serpico, but I'm more like Fish from Barney Miller.
--So I Married an Axe Murderer

[warrior 76]

hi, today i called aveue to find out about the application status, lady was very helpful and told me that they put hiring freeze, but how come they did not even send me an e-mail or any kind of notification to let me know about anything. can someone answer that so i can rest in peace. I applied in feb. under the new annoucement, got the latter and complete the e-qip and fingerprints and was waiting for the panel interview and pat.:eek::p:mad::confused::rolleyes::mad::mad::mad ::mad::mad:

[Up_On_Base]

hi, today i called aveue to find out about the application status, lady was very helpful and told me that they put hiring freeze, but how come they did not even send me an e-mail or any kind of notification to let me know about anything. can someone answer that so i can rest in peace. I applied in feb. under the new annoucement, got the latter and complete the e-qip and fingerprints and was waiting for the panel interview and pat.:eek::p:mad::confused::rolleyes::mad::mad::mad ::mad::mad:

Every FO must be different.

I had panel in late April then a week later PAT/Written/Drug test. About 2 weeks after that I got the Eqip/Fingerprints email.

[manstown]

I feel sexy :cool:

You and your buddy RR. Pigsdofly does make the job look good I will have to admit.

[PigsdoFly]

You and your buddy RR. Pigsdofly does make the job look good I will have to admit.

HAHA, thanks. You know you miss the good old days. Ohh yeah I still have that holster you gave me......

[ocpd8655]

hey guys its been a while for me since i posted have there been any openings last i got was the "we regret that we're no longer hiring anyone this year" email... i applied for NY

[audi0xpl0de]

hey guys its been a while for me since i posted have there been any openings last i got was the "we regret that we're no longer hiring anyone this year" email... i applied for NY

As far as I know they are done until the next fiscal year starts. This doesn't mean that someone already in the process doesn't have a chance to proceed however.

[ocpd8655]

thx i never got the call for the fone interview though :(. whens the next fiscal yr start oct?

[audi0xpl0de]

thx i never got the call for the fone interview though :(. whens the next fiscal yr start oct?

I think sometime in there. Don't worry, I didn't either.

[manstown]

thx i never got the call for the fone interview though :(. whens the next fiscal yr start oct?


Ends the last day of September and begins the first day of October.

[bluecollar$]

Just walked in the door and had a "703" on my phone. Checked the message and it was from FAMS and it said this is "Jon Doe" from FAMS please call XXX-XXX-XXXX asap.:eek:

Very wierd and yes I got the email about no hiring...Maybe ,but I don't want to get my hopes up:D

[Up_On_Base]

Just walked in the door and had a "703" on my phone. Checked the message and it was from FAMS and it said this is "Jon Doe" from FAMS please call XXX-XXX-XXXX asap.:eek:

Very wierd and yes I got the email about no hiring...Maybe ,but I don't want to get my hopes up:D

well...what did they say?

[bluecollar$]

False alarm.They just wanted another copy of DD214 and certs.
I didn't ask any questions, but wish I had.

[Short-Round]

Hey I done both interviews, PT test, drug test, and written back in April.
And I got the email that siad they werent hiring and then a week later I got a "Contingent Letter Offer" and haven't heard anything since.

I have not got the background or fingerprint stuff yet, maybe they are gearing up for October then?

[jetset1]

INTheAirCop- Have you heard anything about Miami needing more people for the next fiscal or are they full?? Thanks!!:D

[airpatrol]

Hello everyone... I am new in this forum and just wanted to be updated if FAM's was hiring. I just applied last week. I have only 4 yrs LE experience. If anyone can tell me how long do they usualy take to contact new applicants. Thanks.

[audi0xpl0de]

Hello everyone... I am new in this forum and just wanted to be updated if FAM's was hiring. I just applied last week. I have only 4 yrs LE experience. If anyone can tell me how long do they usualy take to contact new applicants. Thanks.

Hiring freeze most likely until October. Expect a long wait.

[airpatrol]

audi0xpl0de... thanks for the info.

[VCSOMotor91]

Well I like the sound of that. Hopefully it is not scuttlebutt. But any news is good news. I put in for Philly as part of my dream sheet. I was pretty bummed like most of us after getting the e-mail, especially after completing the whole hiring process.

i didn't hear anything about miami with the recruiter I talked to, but he said NYC Newark and Philly all have a lot of openings, incase anybody is interested in those FO's

[jetset1]

Well I like the sound of that. Hopefully it is not scuttlebutt. But any news is good news. I put in for Philly as part of my dream sheet. I was pretty bummed like most of us after getting the e-mail, especially after completing the whole hiring process.

Same boat!!:confused:

[airpatrol]

Does any one know if updating my application is inconvenient?? for example, If I applied a month ago, and then 100 people applied after me, then I decide to update my account today. Does my application reset, like if I applied today and not a month ago?? Because if that should happen then those 100 people would be in file like if they applied before me...( getting ahead of the line...IF THE ORDER RECIEVED MATTERS ANYWAY) I'm not sure if anyone can understand what i'm trying to say... but I called avue and the lady on the phone understood but could not give me an answer... she then asked other avue employees and they weren't sure either.

[bluecollar$]

I believe this came up and people have updated geo. pref. and not moved "down".
If you applied a week ago it really would'nt matter anyway.

[airpatrol]

Thanks 4 the info...
I applied for 7 different locations...would this improve my chances???
Does order of preference matter???

[airpatrol]

mmmm..............................................

[audi0xpl0de]

Thanks 4 the info...
I applied for 7 different locations...would this improve my chances???
Does order of preference matter???

Increasing the locations does improve your chances as certain locations need more bodies.

[GitmoVet]

I applied for every location. That oughta do it.

[PigsdoFly]

From what Ive been hearing, the hiring process will resume after Oct 01. Actual hiring and EODs wont happen until late fall early winter. Just wanted to give you all a heads up.

[audi0xpl0de]

From what Ive been hearing, the hiring process will resume after Oct 01. Actual hiring and EODs wont happen until late fall early winter. Just wanted to give you all a heads up.

Always appreciated. Thanks!

[jetset1]

To those who are now FAMS, what do you think of the New Director?? Is there any thought as to the impact this appointment may or may not have on your role in the future(back to wearing a suit or not)?

[SD5326]

To those who are now FAMS, what do you think of the New Director?? Is there any thought as to the impact this appointment may or may not have on your role in the future(back to wearing a suit or not)?

I don't think you'll ever see us go back to suits. There would probabaly be a mass exodus if that were to happen.

[SD5326]

From what Ive been hearing, the hiring process will resume after Oct 01. Actual hiring and EODs wont happen until late fall early winter. Just wanted to give you all a heads up.

Yeah. Don't expect to hear any calls until it gets closer to FY09. Those who are done with the entire process should expext to hear calls around this time (i.e. closely before or after)

SD

[SD5326]

I applied for every location. That oughta do it.

If you truly want the job you should be willing to go wherever they want you to go. Once you get hired you have to sign a mobility agreement anyway. Essentially, they can send you wherever they want, although it is unlikely they will send you to a location other than the area they offered to intially.

[manstown]

I don't think you'll ever see us go back to suits. There would probabaly be a mass exodus if that were to happen.

That's funny. I think that's been happening for some time now. I think the suits would just send some of those on the fence to leave a little quicker. Doesn't make sense being the only people on a Southwest Flight in a suit.

[SD5326]

That's funny. I think that's been happening for some time now. I think the suits would just send some of those on the fence to leave a little quicker. Doesn't make sense being the only people on a Southwest Flight in a suit.

You're right. Been happening for quite some time now. The suits would only expound the drama.

[airpatrol]

Can anyone tell me if the phone calls are unidentified/private or does it have a call back number?? I have been getting some missed calls with unidentified phone numbers...I know i'm no to expect their call until next FY but hey, you never know.

[VCSOMotor91]

Can anyone tell me if the phone calls are unidentified/private or does it have a call back number?? I have been getting some missed calls with unidentified phone numbers...I know i'm no to expect their call until next FY but hey, you never know.

The few calls that I got from the FAMS came from a 703 number. Just 703 nothing else. I missed the first call and he left a call back number for me. When Avue called me it was from an area code out of Washington State and it was the whole PX.
Hope this helps you out.

[Up_On_Base]

Can anyone tell me if the phone calls are unidentified/private or does it have a call back number?? I have been getting some missed calls with unidentified phone numbers...I know i'm no to expect their call until next FY but hey, you never know.

If it was the FAMS or any other agency they would leave a message and contact info.

[airpatrol]

Thanks for the info. at least I know now what to expect.

_________________
" People tend to do excellent at that which they love to do "
airpatrol

[PigsdoFly]

To those who are now FAMS, what do you think of the New Director?? Is there any thought as to the impact this appointment may or may not have on your role in the future(back to wearing a suit or not)?

I honestly dont think we will ever "have" to wear suits again. There will be more of a dress code and offices will have their own policies of what "should" be worn depending on the mission.

[Up_On_Base]

Got a 703 call this week for some follow up documentation, I think they want to have some people in the pipeline for FY09.

No mention of medical or FLETC...just some documents...real nice person.

Good luck all...stay cool out there.

[bluecollar$]

Got a 703 call this week for some follow up documentation, I think they want to have some people in the pipeline for FY09.

No mention of medical or FLETC...just some documents...real nice person.

Good luck all...stay cool out there.

He called me back and this time I asked about the freeze, he said .....
They are still putting finished packets in order and processing them through the hiring board.
Like you said they must be getting ready for the new FY hiring. I was just glad to hear my packet wasn't in the shredder...yet:D

[AlcatrazT2]

Guys, I started an application on Avue Digital Services approximately about a month ago but never finished it (Announcement Number: FAMS-FLD-08-0045). Would it be wise to finish that now or wait for another Announcement Number. Thanks!

[Up_On_Base]

How does mileage work for your POV when working for the FAMS?

I know they don't offer a g-ride...I thought they offered mileage for overnights???

[gonefishin]

How does mileage work for your POV when working for the FAMS?

I know they don't offer a g-ride...I thought they offered mileage for overnights???

Right now its 50.5 cents per mile....and you get mileage to and from the airport from home on an overnight.

[PigsdoFly]

How does mileage work for your POV when working for the FAMS?

I know they don't offer a g-ride...I thought they offered mileage for overnights???

To add to what gonefishin said, you can only claim up to 100 miles each way. Also it can get complicated but if you pass the FO on your way to the airport you will mileage for out and backs as well.

[Up_On_Base]

To add to what gonefishin said, you can only claim up to 100 miles each way. Also it can get complicated but if you pass the FO on your way to the airport you will mileage for out and backs as well.

Thanks for the info.

Another topic - I read on another forum that FAMS is moving to GS scale from pay banding...any thoughts good/bad?

[PigsdoFly]

Thanks for the info.

Another topic - I read on another forum that FAMS is moving to GS scale from pay banding...any thoughts good/bad?

What forum was that, last I heard that was shot down big time. I wish it would tho.

[Up_On_Base]

What forum was that, last I heard that was shot down big time. I wish it would tho.

After reading his post again it was still a rumor...nothing set...

It was from InTheAirCop...on real police . net

[AlcatrazT2]

ran into a recruiter last night who was vacationing in the town i work, he advised that hiring would resume during the new fiscal year.

Does this mean that we have to apply again through Avue?

I just finalised/submitted my application yesterday :confused:.

[Up_On_Base]

Does this mean that we have to apply again through Avue?

I just finalised/submitted my application yesterday :confused:.

You should be OK, I think that announcement is on-going and not closed.

The process will pick up again this fall once additional funding is approved.

[Tac]

I got a call today requesting transcripts...any news is good news....

[dirtybenny]

I went through the interview process with the LAFO back in Apr. My qestions to any one who's in the know are:

Has any one heard of any activity in any of the west coast offices? I've been watching this forum for a while and most offers of from back east. Are the FAMS concentraiting on east coast positions first then moving west or are there not a lot of people from the west coast posting on here?

[Tac]

I heard west coast fills up quick due to its proximity to some millitary bases, and large candidate pool. However that could be nothing but speculation. I did the whole enchilada for the LAFO in April too. According to the guy from 703 I spoke with, applications are still processing. That's why the call for transcripts.I guess that's a good thing. I listed every available post in my app, I'll take wherever they need me. Hang in there.....

[AlcatrazT2]

I went through the interview process with the LAFO back in Apr. My qestions to any one who's in the know are:

Has any one heard of any activity in any of the west coast offices? I've been watching this forum for a while and most offers of from back east. Are the FAMS concentraiting on east coast positions first then moving west or are there not a lot of people from the west coast posting on here?

Good question ;).

Submitted my application a few days ago but don't have much hope.

I'm located in Los Angeles, CA.

[MvExplorer]

so...what happened to everyone? I check this thread like 4 times a day and I'm definitely missing the conversations. I'm also waiting out the freeze, never even got my phone interview since I applied about 3 weeks before the freeze hit. But it did get me serious about getting a bunch of other apps (local and fed) out there. Hopefully someone bites and I can get going in the process with someone.

What is everyone else doing to get through the no FAMS thread/no hiring drought?

[AlcatrazT2]

Guys, I was updating my application and just noticed that I applied for Grades: 05/12/13 :confused:.

I'm guessing this happened because I checked "None of the above" when filling out KSA's for Grades 12 & 13.

For obvious reasons, I've passed basic qualifications for Grade 05 but have failed Grades 12 & 13. Will this affect my chances at all for Grade 05?

Thanks in advance.

[AlcatrazT2]

no it wont affect you at all.

Thanks for the 411!

[Short-Round]

Here is the latest that I have received approximately one hour ago.

That the FAMS hiring for 2008 will end on Aug 18 and that they have more than enough for the next year that they will draw from and to update your stuff.

Hmmm, wonder where this leaves many of us?

[Clevbrownies]

August 6, 2008

Re: Vacancy Announcement FAMS-FLD-08-0045, Federal Air Marshal, SV-1801-G/H/I

Dear Applicant,

This letter is to inform you that the vacancy announcement for the Federal Air Marshal (FAM) position, SV-1801-G/H/I (FAMS-FLD-08-0045) will close on August 18, 2008. Currently, our 2008 hiring goals have been met. Once closed, the Office of Law Enforcement/Federal Air Marshal Service (OLE/FAMS) will no longer accept new applications under this vacancy announcement. Due to the number of applications that have been received for this position the applicant pool is sufficient to meet our hiring needs for the near term. If further FAM hiring needs arise for 2008, these additional positions will be filled from the existing pool of applications.

After this announcement is closed, further assessment of applicants may be conducted if the need arises. You are strongly encouraged to update your application with current contact and other relevant information before the announcement closes on August 18, 2008, so that we can contact you if necessary. You will not be able to update your application after the announcement closes.

You can access information about career opportunities with the OLE/FAMS by logging into www.USAJobs.opm.gov website.

We appreciate your continued interest in employment with the OLE/FAMS.

Sincerely,

Human Resources Management Division
Office of Law Enforcement/Federal Air Marshal Service


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[Time4newjob]

Anyone else get a call recently about updated records?

[Up_On_Base]

Anyone else get a call recently about updated records?

I did about 3 weeks ago.

I also got the email and I read it as....if you are done w/ the process stand-by, you will get a call soon.

If not, you might have to re-apply for new announcement.

[Ceridwen]

I always feel good when I have a FAM team on my flight (doesn't happen often enough) but man I don't envy them their job. Good luck to those of you that apply, it is a very tiring job.

[EndlessEcko]

it does not mean you have to apply again, it means they will continue where they left off once they recieve more funds.

Ah...this may be incorrect. AVUE's contract with the FED expires Oct. 1. There fore there will be a new round of bidding open to all companies who want to have the hiring application and process. SO...if AVUE does not win the contract again, you probably will have to reapply because the application forms will not be identical. (Identical in information, yes...Identical in design, no)

Good luck. Be Safe.

[Visindich]

This post is for all the guys/gals that are current FAMS. Once a person reaches their 37th Birthday, it's pretty much over for them correct?

Second question is what other opportunities could someone look into that has law enforcement experience looking to go into the aviation field? Government or private industry doesn't matter.

[EndlessEcko]

This post is for all the guys/gals that are current FAMS. Once a person reaches their 37th Birthday, it's pretty much over for them correct?

Yes, unless you have previously been 6c covered and you have stopped that clock earlier in life...it's over.

Second question is what other opportunities could someone look into that has law enforcement experience looking to go into the aviation field? Government or private industry doesn't matter.

Are you already a licensed pilot? fixed wing? heilo?

[Ceridwen]

Second question is what other opportunities could someone look into that has law enforcement experience looking to go into the aviation field? Government or private industry doesn't matter.
Heh, I'm the opposite. In the aviation industry trying to get out into law enforcement. EndlessEcko has it. The aviation industry is all about 1) Qualifications and 2) Experience. Qualifications, I mean pilot certificates, type ratings, etc. For example I have an Airline Transport Pilot certificate with several type ratings for jets I can fly. Experience is gauged by your flight hours, and the type of aircraft you flew for those hours. I have over 4000 hours, almost half of that is being the Pilot In Command of a jet.

Theres no real ins from law enforcement to aviation unless you already have your certificates.

The easiest way to get into the aviation industry as a pilot these days is to rent a cessna an a flight instructor and get all your ratings. Can get expensive though (Talking about 30 grand for everything which would include multi-engine ratings and your own flight instructor rating so you could start getting paid to fly and build hours.)

The cheapest way is to join the military as a pilot, or just join the military. As a pilot you have a 10 year obligation in the air force. If you dont join as a pilot you can use your GI bill to pay for most of your civilian training costs.

[Visindich]

No 6c prior so I guess it will be over for me soon.

Fixed wing, multi instrumentation, working on multi engine. Not much flight time. Still a rookie as far as I am concerned. Just assigned metro aviation but still a cop a heart. Looking for more of security/law enforcement work in aviation industry if there are any. If not, I have no complaints about my current job. Just like to keep my options open.

[Statetriple]

Got the Call Today for some paper work to be faxed to FAMS...............

[airpatrol]

To Statetriple....or anyone who has recieved the 703 call for documents.
How long has it been for you from the time you first applied to that 703 call for additional documents????......I just want to know how long I would have to wait for the same...Thanks

[bluecollar$]

To Statetriple....or anyone who has recieved the 703 call for documents.
How long has it been for you from the time you first applied to that 703 call for additional documents????......I just want to know how long I would have to wait for the same...Thanks

I think I finished everything including prints sometime in early May...They called a few weeks ago for docs for my packet. I don't think they need to call everyone just guys that are missing something or they needed a better copy to complete the packet. If you had everything they might not call.

[airpatrol]

bluecollar$.......Thanks 4 the info...
From the moment I apply to the hiring date...could it take about 2 years average??

[Statetriple]

Applied in Feb

Finished everything but Medical in May


Was Called in for Docs in August.


..........hmmmmm..............

[Thor1911]

I started my application in September 2006, did my interview in March 2007, and was called in for Medical, finger prints, and PT in February/March 2008.

I was then told to reapply under the new opening in March/April and did my phone and panel interviews, written test, PT, and drug test. I have been waiting for the call for a loooooonnnnnnnnnggggggg time!!!:eek:

I will do it again in March 2009 if necessary, but I would love to be in training by October 1st.

[LS1]

Applied: Feb 08'
Phone Interview: March 08'
Panel/PT/VBT/Fingerprints: May 08'
All quiet since then.

[Tac]

Im 2 years into the process as well.... tic tic tic.....

[airpatrol]

Thanks to everyone who responded... I guess I'm in for a looooooooong WAIT.

[Up_On_Base]

Im 2 years into the process as well.... tic tic tic.....

I was part of the previous opening and the current, overall been waiting about 15 months. It's kinda standard for federal LE although some people were offered spot in 3-4 months this time.

[GuyinCali]

I was part of the previous opening and the current, overall been waiting about 15 months. It's kinda standard for federal LE although some people were offered spot in 3-4 months this time.

Up, add me to that too.... I'm on the old and new announcement. Calls will begin soon after Oct. I am ready... One of my good friends was hired as a FAM this year, said he is loving it.

Good Luck!!!

[jetset1]

Up, add me to that too.... I'm on the old and new announcement. Calls will begin soon after Oct. I am ready... One of my good friends was hired as a FAM this year, said he is loving it.

Good Luck!!!

Did your friend hear something about the start time for calls to go out again? Maybe when the next class might start? Thanks!

[Statetriple]

Have heard there are several classes coming in 09 should be at least 3

[bondjamesbond]

703 called yesterday and requested some docs. Remember, the second you give up hope is the second they call.

....only 34 days till October 1st.....

[Time4newjob]

Are these "703" calls for documents going out to all who applied everywhere or just to a geographical area like NY/NJ?

[Up_On_Base]

Are these "703" calls for documents going out to all who applied everywhere or just to a geographical area like NY/NJ?

No.

It's a nationwide thing, I think there are about 8 people on here that recieved the infamous 703 call.

[PigsdoFly]

do you mean fiscal year 09 or calendar year?

Fiscal Year 09. There are some classes slotted no exact number, it all depends on if the budget gets approved.

[jetset1]

Fiscal Year 09. There are some classes slotted no exact number, it all depends on if the budget gets approved.

So I guess we shouldn't get excited about the chance of getting a call in October?????

[SD5326]

Calls are very possible in October; as to whether classes start in October or not is a different question.

[J. Finneus]

Do these pay bands confuse anyone else? I'm trying to figure out what a GS-7 would get hired at with New York City locality pay for FAMS.

[Up_On_Base]

Do FAMS fly out of smaller regional airports on regular basis as primary?

Example - Is there a Scranton FO or Providence FO? And, are they hard to get?

I know OPSEC might be an issue w/ this question, just thought I would ask.

[Statetriple]

Word on the Street is Calls are starting to go out for 09 Schools in news??


Clarification: I was contacted by a close friend who is in the process and he has been contacted by FAMS HR for employment contact was made last week.

[Bearcat357]

Do FAMS fly out of smaller regional airports on regular basis as primary?

Example - Is there a Scranton FO or Providence FO? And, are they hard to get?

I know OPSEC might be an issue w/ this question, just thought I would ask.

I'd say that would be an OPSEC issue from listening to my FAM buddies.....

[Statetriple]

I was told that they are beginning to make calls now for 09 can't really say more for fear of saying too much.......

[PigsdoFly]

I was told that they are beginning to make calls now for 09 can't really say more for fear of saying too much.......

Not true, trust me on this one. The budget has not been approved so they will not make calls until this happens.

[jetset1]

Not true, trust me on this one. The budget has not been approved so they will not make calls until this happens.

Understood! It sounded a little weird due to the fact that he couldn't even say where the information came from(i.e. a FAM, Recruiter, 703 Call, ANYTHING!)

This is a stupid question but I have to ask it....... Any idea on how long it takes to approve the new Fiscal budget??? Since you are there and a FAM, has anyone even stated when a new class might even start(before or after the December holidays or new year)? As always, Thanks for letting us know the status. :cool:

[Rev1]

I have to agree with USAcop on letting cops fly armed.

Paul Howe said that he respected the shooting standards of the Air Marshalls until they lowered those standards after 9/11 so they could hire more peope.

(Most people couldn't pass or maintain the standards the Air marshalls had.)

This isn't a slam on anybody, it's just the way things are.

I understand that most cops don't shoot well. i don't know what the problem is, but I see it all the time in our department. I know we only qualify once a year and for the most part that's the only time many of our officers ever shoot their firearm.

I am not one of those people.

I regularly practice to the standards that Larry Vickers showed us when some friends/fellow officers and I went through his pistol course. if you can shoot that, I guarantee you can shoot the Air Marshall's course.

We now have HR218 which allows cops to carry a firearm anywhere in the country. But how in the world do we get our firearm from point A to point B?

The worst thing ANY officer can do is surrender control of his firearm to some $10.50 an hours TSA bag thrower.

It's much safer if the officer keeps his firearm on him at all times.

When he surrenders it, he cannot guarantee what will be done with that weapon, where, by who. And if it's simply lost by the airline, what does the officer do when he/she arrives at their destination?

I flew from Cleveland to San Fransisco with my firearm ON ME. The people at the check in gave me a pass, i walked around security and flew with nmo problem, no hassle, no nothing.

When I went to fly back however, they said I needed a supervisor's letter stating my need to fly armed. The problem is, I AM a supervisor!

I still had my pass stub so I wonder what the problem was. I was good enough fly out with it on me, I should have been good enough to fly back.

The part that I disagree with USAcop on is that training is vital. Many Delta guys, SEALS and so forth went through a period of very low level conflict and many of them never saw real action. But when things finally blew up after 9/11, they are seeing plenty now.

I know most Air Marshalls will fly back & forth from here to there and all over and never have a single bad encounter except for bad in flight meals, crying babies and turbulence.

But I believe most of them are probably ready and capable officers that will do a damn fine job when they have to.

I just believe we should be given the same credit. Afrter all, we're the good guys too.

I am not about to draw my gun on some drunk giving a flight attendant a hard time. In fact, I am not about to intervene unless I am asked.

We all pretty much know when we would enage a target with lethal force on a plane.

Pretty much the same reasons we would do it on the ground.

And to me the margin of error is the same. You better not miss.

It simply makes no sense to me why officers get so much hassle about flying armed. All Federal agents can fly armed, average officers should have a training course and special ID sop we can do the same w/o all that supervisor letter baloney.

Just my opinion.

Rev

[AlcatrazT2]

^ Awesome post.

[dtown101]

Not true, trust me on this one. The budget has not been approved so they will not make calls until this happens.

I COMPLETELY agree with you when you say calls are going out

[dtown101]

good luck to all who is still in the process

[PigsdoFly]

Not true, trust me on this one. The budget has not been approved so they will not make calls until this happens.

I stand corrected, calls have gone out. Class dates are still being disputed.

[manstown]

I have to agree with USAcop on letting cops fly armed.

Paul Howe said that he respected the shooting standards of the Air Marshalls until they lowered those standards after 9/11 so they could hire more peope.

(Most people couldn't pass or maintain the standards the Air marshalls had.)

This isn't a slam on anybody, it's just the way things are.

I understand that most cops don't shoot well. i don't know what the problem is, but I see it all the time in our department. I know we only qualify once a year and for the most part that's the only time many of our officers ever shoot their firearm.

I am not one of those people.

I regularly practice to the standards that Larry Vickers showed us when some friends/fellow officers and I went through his pistol course. if you can shoot that, I guarantee you can shoot the Air Marshall's course.

We now have HR218 which allows cops to carry a firearm anywhere in the country. But how in the world do we get our firearm from point A to point B?

The worst thing ANY officer can do is surrender control of his firearm to some $10.50 an hours TSA bag thrower.

It's much safer if the officer keeps his firearm on him at all times.

When he surrenders it, he cannot guarantee what will be done with that weapon, where, by who. And if it's simply lost by the airline, what does the officer do when he/she arrives at their destination?

I flew from Cleveland to San Fransisco with my firearm ON ME. The people at the check in gave me a pass, i walked around security and flew with nmo problem, no hassle, no nothing.

When I went to fly back however, they said I needed a supervisor's letter stating my need to fly armed. The problem is, I AM a supervisor!

I still had my pass stub so I wonder what the problem was. I was good enough fly out with it on me, I should have been good enough to fly back.

The part that I disagree with USAcop on is that training is vital. Many Delta guys, SEALS and so forth went through a period of very low level conflict and many of them never saw real action. But when things finally blew up after 9/11, they are seeing plenty now.

I know most Air Marshalls will fly back & forth from here to there and all over and never have a single bad encounter except for bad in flight meals, crying babies and turbulence.

But I believe most of them are probably ready and capable officers that will do a damn fine job when they have to.

I just believe we should be given the same credit. Afrter all, we're the good guys too.

I am not about to draw my gun on some drunk giving a flight attendant a hard time. In fact, I am not about to intervene unless I am asked.

We all pretty much know when we would enage a target with lethal force on a plane.

Pretty much the same reasons we would do it on the ground.

And to me the margin of error is the same. You better not miss.

It simply makes no sense to me why officers get so much hassle about flying armed. All Federal agents can fly armed, average officers should have a training course and special ID sop we can do the same w/o all that supervisor letter baloney.

Just my opinion.

Rev

To be honest with you, when I was a FAM I never really cared if cops flew armed or not. The problem is that there is FAA training and guidlines that need to be followed. If your department didn't provide that training....then you don't fly armed. Plain and simple. Those feds other than FAMS that are allowed to fly armed have been through the course that's why they're able to do so. There are things that need to be known before you just walk on a plane with a loaded weapon. Whether you are a supervisor or not doesn't matter. Municipality's don't just need a letter from a supervisor when flying armed. It has to be an agency letterhead from higher ups, well above a supervisor, stating that you are on business and that business requires you to fly armed. Whoever let you get on the first flight was wrong. Sorry, but they were. They should have asked for the agency letterhead before letting you board. Why it is the way it is......I have no idea. You guys see more situations where drawing your weapon would present itself. I never had a problem with guys having their weapons on them as long as we all knew each other and where everyone was.

[FormerUSAF]

The TSA LEO Flying Armed Course, its like a 20min Power Point presentation. I think anyone that has been trained should also be permitted to Fly Armed.

[PigsdoFly]

I agree with manstown, I never have a problem with LEOs having their weapons with them on my flights. I just always remind them not to act unless we ask them too or they have too. But rules are rules and there is red tape you must go through to fly armed. Fed LEOs all go throught the TSA Flying Armed course at FLETC so they are allowed to do so. But local LEOs must have that course as well as a letter. But saying... I think anyone that has been trained should also be permitted to Fly Armed. is wrong. Just because I went to FLETC and I am trained doesn't mean I can go out and make traffic stops or respond to calls in my area. Training is training, and regs are regs. We don't always like them, but we have to follow them.

[FormerUSAF]

I agree, with your statement to a point however, you and I know and everyone else in the world including (Terrorist) know that there is no possible way for one FLE Agency to cover every Airline Flight. I have flown Armed while in the military; transporting prisoners to Ft. Lavenworth and have never been with a FAM.

Just another way to assist in the protection of America's citizens. Do we not belive that one LEO (FAM trained or not) would have made a difference against men with knives and razor blades?

[Up_On_Base]

I COMPLETELY agree with you when you say calls are going out

There is a possibility that only limited "calls" are going out, they could be backfilling for recent hires who quit/fired.

I would imagine that there is funding in place for a certain number of new hires, if people quit/fired it would open up that money. I would not expect multiple call going out until new budget...IMO

Best of luck to anyone who got the call.

[Hoosier_Boy]

I agree, with your statement to a point however, you and I know and everyone else in the world including (Terrorist) know that there is no possible way for one FLE Agency to cover every Airline Flight. I have flown Armed while in the military; transporting prisoners to Ft. Lavenworth and have never been with a FAM.

Just another way to assist in the protection of America's citizens. Do we not belive that one LEO (FAM trained or not) would have made a difference against men with knives and razor blades?

Yes. One gun vs 5 knives... I'm taking the gun. Every single time.

[manstown]

The TSA LEO Flying Armed Course, its like a 20min Power Point presentation. I think anyone that has been trained should also be permitted to Fly Armed.

Not just the power point you have to go through. After I left the FAMS I went back down to FLETC, now you have to go through a 12 hour block. It use to be 8.

Like I said before, I think all LEO's should be able to fly armed as long as they go through the training. Why a department can't train people on it, it besides me. You're absolutely right in the amount of flights that are going unprotected. With the amount of LEO's flying every day, letting street cops carry while on the flight would only benefit the traveling public. But like Pigs said, they have to realize with FAMS on the flight, that's their area. Just like FAMS have to remember that traffic stops are cops areas.

[Up_On_Base]

But like Pigs said, they have to realize with FAMS on the flight, that's their area. Just like FAMS have to remember that traffic stops are cops areas.

+1

Good point

[Bearcat357]

[QUOTE=manstown;1400026]Not just the power point you have to go through. After I left the FAMS I went back down to FLETC, now you have to go through a 12 hour block. It use to be 8. /QUOTE]

Errr....not the State/Local Class.....it hasn't changed thus far.....

Several of the local MO Acadamies teach it from time-to-time.....

[SD5326]

Errr....not the State/Local Class.....it hasn't changed thus far.....

Several of the local MO Acadamies teach it from time-to-time....


How do you know exactly what they teach? Aren't you in D.C.? Just because a local academy teaches a flying armed course doesn't mean they're up to standards. For all we know it could be a bastardized version of flying armed or somenes interpretation thereof. Didn't you DQ'ed from a few different agencies in MO?

[Short-Round]

I got the call a week ago for transcripts and stuff. Has anyone received and accepted a "Contingent Offer" from AVUE? I got one of those months ago, I guess I am still in the system for hire in '09?

Boy, this is some screwy stuff what with never knowing whats happening!

[Up_On_Base]

I got the call a week ago for transcripts and stuff. Has anyone received and accepted a "Contingent Offer" from AVUE? I got one of those months ago, I guess I am still in the system for hire in '09?

Boy, this is some screwy stuff what with never knowing whats happening!

There are about 6-8 people on here in the same boat, I think they are getting some potential classes together pending a budget.

I doubt any call going out until Oct/Nov...then plan to sit in FO for a while, there is limited FLETC space.

[PigsdoFly]

There will be more calls going out, when.... that is the question. There really is no answer for that. I would guess that the number being hired is more then last year. If people fail out or quit they do not hire others to take their slot. The slot is left empty because of the stages of training the FAMs have.

[Time4newjob]

I got the call a week ago for transcripts and stuff. Has anyone received and accepted a "Contingent Offer" from AVUE? I got one of those months ago, I guess I am still in the system for hire in '09?

Boy, this is some screwy stuff what with never knowing whats happening!
I received the same call for info a little more then a month ago. Plus, a call went out to my supervisors. From what i'm being told, they both returned the call but never got in touch with the investigator/agent/FAM (whoever) that is completing the investigation. we'll see...good luck

[ochoism]

Wow, so I haven't heard anything from the FAMs since early May when I went in to do my PT test. Today I get a call from FAMs asking me for my trasnscripts; not even my official ones, they asked me to print off my unoffical transcript and fax it to them. I thought they were done, I've gone through the entire Border Patrol Agent process in the mean time and am just waiting for an offer from them; although I would prefer the FAMs.

[MoonCat]

How the heck you can be on non GS scale? How is your performance evaluated?!?! im puzzled...

Thanks for the info.

Another topic - I read on another forum that FAMS is moving to GS scale from pay banding...any thoughts good/bad?

[manstown]

How the heck you can be on non GS scale? How is your performance evaluated?!?! im puzzled...

As much as the flying FAMs would love that to happen.......I doubt it ever will. That has been the topic of conversation umongst FAMs for a while. Maybe Pigs can throw some insight out there on the topic. Pigs, any thoughts....info?

[MoonCat]

I understand the urge to go to GS pay scale, but my question was more about performance evaluation. What are the factors that determent who did a good job and who did not?

How a performance of a FAM agent being evaluated? It is nonsense – how can you evaluate someone who is isolated on the plane most of his/her career?

[manstown]

I understand the urge to go to GS pay scale, but my question was more about performance evaluation. What are the factors that determent who did a good job and who did not?

How a performance of a FAM agent being evaluated? It is nonsense – how can you evaluate someone who is isolated on the plane most of his/her career?

It all depends on how much the ATSAC likes you, meaning how much *** you kiss, and by how little sick leave you use.

[Bearcat357]

I understand the urge to go to GS pay scale

Dude.....paybanding sucks monkey butt.....

[PigsdoFly]

As much as the flying FAMs would love that to happen.......I doubt it ever will. That has been the topic of conversation umongst FAMs for a while. Maybe Pigs can throw some insight out there on the topic. Pigs, any thoughts....info?

You hit that on the head.... This has been brought up numerous times in the past but gets shot down everytime. Sure we get paid good but the GS scale would be better. I really do think it would take too much to switch over. I know they have looked into it but oh well..... I cant complain Im living the dream:eek:

[MoonCat]

What do FAMs are making with, let’s say, 5-6 years of experience?

[MoonCat]

[QUOTE=PigsdoFly;1406903]__________________
You do not greet death, you punch him repeatedly in the throat until he drags you away... QUOTE]

I though it was a SHE?! :eek:

[manstown]

What do FAMs are making with, let’s say, 5-6 years of experience?

I'm not sure what you're asking here because the question doesn't make sense but I'll try to answer the way I see it. FAMs with 5-6 years are making the same amount they were making at 3 years. FAMs with 15 years will be making the same as they were at 3 years. All this is salary, not including per diem. The problem with the FAMS pay system is once you hit 3 years you top out salarywise. Again, this doesn't include per diem. Unless you get promoted to ATSAC, ASAC, and so on you will make whatever your salary is at 3 years on. You have opportunity to get bonuses, but you have to be in good graces with those evaluating you.

[Up_On_Base]

I'm not sure what you're asking here because the question doesn't make sense but I'll try to answer the way I see it. FAMs with 5-6 years are making the same amount they were making at 3 years. FAMs with 15 years will be making the same as they were at 3 years. All this is salary, not including per diem. The problem with the FAMS pay system is once you hit 3 years you top out salarywise. Again, this doesn't include per diem. Unless you get promoted to ATSAC, ASAC, and so on you will make whatever your salary is at 3 years on. You have opportunity to get bonuses, but you have to be in good graces with those evaluating you.

You top out after 3 years in each pay band? What point do you move to next band?

[PigsdoFly]

You top out after 3 years in each pay band? What point do you move to next band?

There are three pay bands G, H, I and there are three levels within each band, low, medium, high.

G-$36,400- $56,4000
H-$44,400-68,800
I-$54,100-84,900
Then you add the leap on top of that.

But it works like this.... you get hired at a medium G band, after 1 year of service you move to low H band. Then at the end of your second year of service you move from a low H to a medium I which is your last "raise". Or you could be hired at high H band and after a year go to high I band. You can get "IPIs" which are in band pay raises but it can be hard to get one. The only way to move out of I band is too be promoted to a supervisor position at the J band and so on. So technically you max out after 2 years of service or until you reach high I band. It is what it is I guess.

[jetset1]

There are three pay bands G, H, I and there are three levels within each band, low, medium, high.

G-$36,400- $56,4000
H-$44,400-68,800
I-$54,100-84,900
Then you add the leap on top of that.

But it works like this.... you get hired at a medium G band, after 1 year of service you move to low H band. Then at the end of your second year of service you move from a low H to a medium I which is your last "raise". Or you could be hired at high H band and after a year go to high I band. You can get "IPIs" which are in band pay raises but it can be hard to get one. The only way to move out of I band is too be promoted to a supervisor position at the J band and so on. So technically you max out after 2 years of service or until you reach high I band. It is what it is I guess.
Any new word on calls??

[manstown]

There are three pay bands G, H, I and there are three levels within each band, low, medium, high.

G-$36,400- $56,4000
H-$44,400-68,800
I-$54,100-84,900
Then you add the leap on top of that.

But it works like this.... you get hired at a medium G band, after 1 year of service you move to low H band. Then at the end of your second year of service you move from a low H to a medium I which is your last "raise". Or you could be hired at high H band and after a year go to high I band. You can get "IPIs" which are in band pay raises but it can be hard to get one. The only way to move out of I band is too be promoted to a supervisor position at the J band and so on. So technically you max out after 2 years of service or until you reach high I band. It is what it is I guess.

Just to make it clear as to what Pigs is saying. What you make when you hit the "I" Band is what you make every year forward unless you get promoted.

[shawnali]

just wounder if there is a sept class going on
any info would be nice

[shawnali]

thank you
i guess im in the same boat as everybody here then.
good luck to all.

[MoonCat]

interesting. i did not know that. In other words, 84900+LEAP is the max for FAMs and then you only get your yearly increases.

[Up_On_Base]

interesting. i did not know that. In other words, 84900+LEAP is the max for FAMs and then you only get your yearly increases.

84,900
+ LEAP
+ Locality (Big FO can be 22-26%) Don't have numbers handy, its an est.
+ Per diem (10-25Kish)

= a lot of money...125k+...thats awesome, then you add on pension/tsp.

[Bearcat357]

84,900
+ LEAP
+ Locality (Big FO can be 22-26%) Don't have numbers handy, its an est.
+ Per diem (10-25Kish)

= a lot of money...125k+...thats awesome, then you add on pension/tsp.

You forgot COLA that the USG gets every year......

[PigsdoFly]

Any new word on calls??

Calls are going out. The info I got today was that the old list was wiped clean and they are using a new list for FY09. The exact number of people they are hiring, I don't know but it will be less than last year.

[Up_On_Base]

as in we all have to reapply?

If you applied to the recent announcement (that just closed) and completed the process...expect a call.

The last round of calls was off the last 2 announcements.

[MoonCat]

That is indeed a lot of money for cruising the world at G’s expense. :)

What do you fellows do to entertain yourself on the plain, cause I know, I am bored to death when I fly to Europe, considering that I am no of those people who cannot fall asleep on the plain.



84,900
+ LEAP
+ Locality (Big FO can be 22-26%) Don't have numbers handy, its an est.
+ Per diem (10-25Kish)

= a lot of money...125k+...thats awesome, then you add on pension/tsp.

[dtown101]

if i got the 703 call for transcripts, but haven't done the medical yet (not the drug screen, the medical in DC), am i done with the process or is the medical considered the last step?

The med is the last step....100%

[SD5326]

That is indeed a lot of money for cruising the world at G’s expense. :)

What do you fellows do to entertain yourself on the plain, cause I know, I am bored to death when I fly to Europe, considering that I am no of those people who cannot fall asleep on the plain.

Some guys read books, some watch movies. If your smart, you'll take advantage of all the free time you have to educate yourself. I'm going back to school with all the free time I have. Alot of guys and gals I know are doing this. You will NEVER find another job where you can complete all your school work on your work time. Think of it this way...... By doing all my school work while flying, I can use all my off time for things that I want to do. Yes, there are some parts of the job that suck but if you've been around for awhile you'll know that every job has these. You can either bitch about the job or find the good in every bad.

FYI- Keep your phones close. Calls are coming this week and next week.

[AWVet]

It's probably a redundant question but I also recently received a call for my transcripts and DD214. What do you think my chances are going forward?

[jetset1]

Does anyone know what locations are now being called. You don't have to be exact. I understand the security that is behind it but I'm curious if they are still hiring on the East Coast or have they started the West with this new set of calls going out. PM me if you have to and I appreciate all the info.

[SD5326]

AWVet- I would say if you recently received this call your chances are good....... but not definite, as nothing is.

jetset- The EC usuals are being filled with these announcements. There may be some WC calls as well.

[manstown]

Some guys read books, some watch movies. If your smart, you'll take advantage of all the free time you have to educate yourself. I'm going back to school with all the free time I have. Alot of guys and gals I know are doing this. You will NEVER find another job where you can complete all your school work on your work time. Think of it this way...... By doing all my school work while flying, I can use all my off time for things that I want to do. Yes, there are some parts of the job that suck but if you've been around for awhile you'll know that every job has these. You can either bitch about the job or find the good in every bad.

FYI- Keep your phones close. Calls are coming this week and next week.

That's exactly what I did. One of the greatest things about the job was the free time during work. By the time I landed, the rest of the time was for me. Come to think about, next to most of the guys I flew with, Pigs you're included there, and the money, those were the only good things.

[Up_On_Base]

so in other words, since i haven't had the medical i'm not eligible for a call?

No.

The medical is the last step, they will send you to the medical then give offer. If you completed phone/oral/written/PT/drug screen/eqip and only have medical you "should" be good to go.

There were people from my written/PT/drug screen that did not get email for prints/eqip.

[Up_On_Base]

FYI- Keep your phones close. Calls are coming this week and next week.

The people who do get calls, will they be sitting in the FO's for a long time? Or will there be some additional classes?

Thanks -

[manstown]

The people who do get calls, will they be sitting in the FO's for a long time? Or will there be some additional classes?

Thanks -

I know a buddy of mine that was hired the same time as me sat at the FO for about 4 months before he went to training. Not sure how some of us went to training while those that were hired the same time as us sat around. I actually graduated and began fly before he even went to ACY.

[Weebro]

I looked but I'm sure I missed it, if I did, I apologize. Does anyone know when the next "anticipated" announcement will be posted?

[PigsdoFly]

Come to think about, next to most of the guys I flew with, Pigs you're included there, and the money, those were the only good things.

Thanks buddy you too. I still have that holster you lent me. But just to go off of what everyone has said get your education you will have so much time. Also you should think of getting a PSP and an IPod as well.

[PigsdoFly]

I looked but I'm sure I missed it, if I did, I apologize. Does anyone know when the next "anticipated" announcement will be posted?

I would guess sometime early 2009.

[PigsdoFly]

The people who do get calls, will they be sitting in the FO's for a long time? Or will there be some additional classes?

Thanks -

Additional classes as in 08?

[Weebro]

I would guess sometime early 2009.

Thanks, I appreciate it

[Up_On_Base]

Additional classes as in 08?

I was thinking more along the lines of, why send out calls if the newbies are going to sit for a few months. I know guys who I tested with were in the FO for about 2 months.

[MvExplorer]

hey guys...

What about those of us who just completed our applications before the process was closed? I finished mine late May and have yet to receive any progress in the process. Can I be expecting my phone interview to happen at some point or am I pretty much hosed?

Thanks

[Up_On_Base]

everywhere i look online it says the budget for fy09 has been passed, so what is it that we're waiting on to find out if the FAMS will be hiring and how many?

It's the federal govt, they move slow...federal LE moves slower.

I was in your same position a few years ago w/ UD, it would drive me crazy waiting for "the call". Hang tight...the call will come.

[Steve03xx]

Any new movement today?

I'm still praying for the 703 call.

[Time4newjob]

Quick and personal question for current FAMs. I have 9 years LEO experience, Military experience, instructor ratings and time in a tac unit. I'm hoping to be offered a position in the NYC area. What pay have you been hired at and what can I expect. Is LEAP and locality pay included in or in addition to your pay offer. Also, what can I expect for take home pay starting and at top pay? Thanks, PM me

[Thor1911]

Anyone hear anything about hiring for the Midwest? Specifically Michigan? I have completed everything just about twice and I am still eagerly waiting.

[manstown]

Quick and personal question for current FAMs. I have 9 years LEO experience, Military experience, instructor ratings and time in a tac unit. I'm hoping to be offered a position in the NYC area. What pay have you been hired at and what can I expect. Is LEAP and locality pay included in or in addition to your pay offer. Also, what can I expect for take home pay starting and at top pay? Thanks, PM me

From what I hear now, unless you're prior or current FLEO employee, you are going to get the low end of the salary....36,400. From there you add in locality and get a total. Then take the salary and LEAP and you get a figure. Add that all together and there's your salary. They are in a position to make that offer because of the amount of people that are in the process waiting. When I came on the matched my pay because I was a FLEO. The locals that came on with me were given the starting bottom salary.

I'd be careful for hoping for a spot in NYC. If it's the same SAC up there that was around when I was a FAM.......all I can say is stand by. He's a royal A*S*S. When I left he had more EEO's on him than anyone in the agency. Actually sent an email out to the guys in my class, while we were in the academy, stating that if they wanted to shoot on their own at a range they had to buy their own weapon used by the FAMs and that they couldn't use their duty weapons.

[Time4newjob]

Own weapons? They had to turn them in like we used to as MP's at the end of the shift? What agency did he come from before being annointed as a FAM?

[Up_On_Base]

Own weapons? They had to turn them in like we used to as MP's at the end of the shift? What agency did he come from before being annointed as a FAM?

He probably came from the USSS, most do.

You should have 24/7 carry as a FAM, it's very common for FLEOS. He probably didn't want guys using their Sig's issued by FAMS outside of the working hours.

[2themax45]

From what I hear now, unless you're prior or current FLEO employee, you are going to get the low end of the salary....36,400. From there you add in locality and get a total. Then take the salary and LEAP and you get a figure. Add that all together and there's your salary. They are in a position to make that offer because of the amount of people that are in the process waiting. When I came on the matched my pay because I was a FLEO. The locals that came on with me were given the starting bottom salary.

I'd be careful for hoping for a spot in NYC. If it's the same SAC up there that was around when I was a FAM.......all I can say is stand by. He's a royal A*S*S. When I left he had more EEO's on him than anyone in the agency. Actually sent an email out to the guys in my class, while we were in the academy, stating that if they wanted to shoot on their own at a range they had to buy their own weapon used by the FAMs and that they couldn't use their duty weapons.

[gonefishin]

From what I hear now, unless you're prior or current FLEO employee, you are going to get the low end of the salary....36,400. From there you add in locality and get a total. Then take the salary and LEAP and you get a figure. Add that all together and there's your salary. They are in a position to make that offer because of the amount of people that are in the process waiting. When I came on the matched my pay because I was a FLEO. The locals that came on with me were given the starting bottom salary.

I'd be careful for hoping for a spot in NYC. If it's the same SAC up there that was around when I was a FAM.......all I can say is stand by. He's a royal A*S*S. When I left he had more EEO's on him than anyone in the agency. Actually sent an email out to the guys in my class, while we were in the academy, stating that if they wanted to shoot on their own at a range they had to buy their own weapon used by the FAMs and that they couldn't use their duty weapons.

That has since changed....you can now shoot at your own range with your duty weapon...

[MvExplorer]

I guess what i was asking, are they going to begin going through the hiring process again? Aka, start making the phone calls, pt tests, etc?

[Up_On_Base]

What happened to yesterday's posts?

[PigsdoFly]

I guess what i was asking, are they going to begin going through the hiring process again? Aka, start making the phone calls, pt tests, etc?

Im not to sure. I heard they had a list but I have also been told they are going to continue calling people for each step in the process.

[ops]

Got the 703 call last week. Guy asked for documents previously faxed be faxed again. Not holding my breath.........

[GuyinCali]

Im not to sure. I heard they had a list but I have also been told they are going to continue calling people for each step in the process.

Pigs, since you have an inside hand, if you can answer, is it true that a list of the next FAMS class is prepared, and if you have friends in high places they can check to see if your name is on that list and what number his/her name is on this "Mysterious List"???
Thanks for your insight...

[PigsdoFly]

Pigs, since you have an inside hand, if you can answer, is it true that a list of the next FAMS class is prepared, and if you have friends in high places they can check to see if your name is on that list and what number his/her name is on this "Mysterious List"???
Thanks for your insight...

Define high place for me?

[gonefishin]

Define high place for me?

How about 37,000 feet on a transcon flight?

[Tac]

Hey Pigs.....I've got friends in Low Places..

[Lukinbigrich]

Friend of mine is going through the academy now and talking with him it does not sound like they are going to hire for a while. The whole "hire" process for him only took about a month....I guess he was on of the lucky ones who went through the process swiftly.

[Up_On_Base]

Friend of mine is going through the academy now and talking with him it does not sound like they are going to hire for a while. The whole "hire" process for him only took about a month....I guess he was on of the lucky ones who went through the process swiftly.

I have heard multiple stories.

Story A - Multiple calls going out ASAP
Story B - Calls going this spring.

With all the financial issues currently I would lean towards B, I think you will see funding slashed for most govt. agencies.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

Just got back from Paris and I am dog tired. Still here guys and going on seven years as a flying fam. Things are as good as they are going to get. Wish I could get a new gun due to the fact that I have over 20,000 rounds shot.

We have a new guy in the ofice who just started and he begins the academy sometime in October.

I have been off this site for a very long time.

[Short-Round]

I have a question of the FAMS guys.

At a FAMS office in an undisclosed location, (I would have to kill you if I told you where), I saw two rooms that really interested me. First was a pretty nice gym room with really nice equipment, the other was a wall to wall padded room, with a line of punching bags, a round timer, and a pile of fight gear.

Do FAMS get some nice MMA type training? Do they contract out to instrucotrs to teach, is it a weekly thing, or are you on your own as far as Martial Arts (and I dont mean TKD when I say Martial Arts)?

And btw I did hear early Winter to Summer 2009 for classes. I can't disclose my source, or once again I may have to kill you :P

[Up_On_Base]

What is the approx pay for per diem in both US and international?

[manstown]

Depends on where you're going. Just go to the Department of State website and look away. 3/4 pay for the day you travel and day you come back and full for every full day you are there.

[PigsdoFly]

What is the approx pay for per diem in both US and international?

As manstown said, it all depends. Check out this link it will tell you all you need to know.
http://www.gsa.gov/Portal/gsa/ep/contentView.do?contentId=17943&contentType=GSA_BASIC

[PigsdoFly]

Hey Pigs.....I've got friends in Low Places..

As do I.

[PigsdoFly]

they also advised that they are given some type of financial incentive to recieve mma training on their own.

I have never heard of this before, I'd like to know what policy they are looking at...... :confused:

[AWVet]

Hey everyone,

Received a call from the FAMS asking for a copy of my transcripts and DD214 2 weeks ago and now nothing? I sometimes wish I never received that call because now everytime my cell rings I look to see if it's the 703. Has anyone been in this situation? If so, what was your outcome? I would appreciate any feedback.............

[manstown]

What is the big secret about workout rooms? Most if not all the FO's have gyms and mat rooms. Unless things have changed, I don't remember doing much mma work. It was "defensive tactics"! Because it's a matted room doesn't make it a UFC gym.

[manstown]

Hey everyone,

Received a call from the FAMS asking for a copy of my transcripts and DD214 2 weeks ago and now nothing? I sometimes wish I never received that call because now everytime my cell rings I look to see if it's the 703. Has anyone been in this situation? If so, what was your outcome? I would appreciate any feedback.............

Everyone has been in this situation. Because they ask for paperwork doesn't mean anything but the fact that they want to verify information.

[Up_On_Base]

As manstown said, it all depends. Check out this link it will tell you all you need to know.
http://www.gsa.gov/Portal/gsa/ep/contentView.do?contentId=17943&contentType=GSA_BASIC

$506.00 for London...that is a 5 hour flight from the east coast, that is some nice cash...tax free cash.

Although, I am sure that money can get burned up quickly at the local pub.

[PigsdoFly]

$506.00 for London...that is a 5 hour flight from the east coast, that is some nice cash...tax free cash.

Although, I am sure that money can get burned up quickly at the local pub.

London would be $171, the per diem you get is under the M&IE section.

[Up_On_Base]

London would be $171, the per diem you get is under the M&IE section.

My bad.

Does that mean I should drink cheaper beer when traveling?

[manstown]

All I did was eat cheap. Drinks aren't that bad over there. If you drink more then your per diem......might want to check into AA. Unless you're paying for a buddy or two when you're out (which I did). Per diem is definitely your bread and butter.

[robousmc]

check out this video on air marshals

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxnWl63Avo4

[Tac]

why would you post a link to a rick astley video under the guise that it is a video on air marshals?

[robousmc]

why would you post a link to a rick astley video under the guise that it is a video on air marshals?

i just felt like rick rollin some people its a joke....

[Up_On_Base]

i just felt like rick rollin some people its a joke....

Thanks...now that song will be in my head all day.

[Short-Round]

Lol, yes we have been Rickrolled!

C'mon Tac, you know you like Rick Astley.

[FormerUSAF]

LOL,

That was funny, I was like WTF.

[LS1]

check out this video on air marshals

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxnWl63Avo4

:rolleyes: A bit "last year", don't you think?

[MvExplorer]

you bastard...you got me all excited...only to get rickrolled. You are a dirty dirty man and I hope you get attacked by a rabid gorilla

[Tac]

just plain wrong.....but a little funny....

[LS1]

Anyways, I got a 703 recently. They've contacted my current agency for my information.

[Thor1911]

I talked to my recruiter today and he said that the hiring is still going on but it is "trickling in." Mass hiring will begin by 2nd Quarter 2009. I think they are back filling vacancies through hiring but not increasing their budgeted number.

[Up_On_Base]

Anyways, I got a 703 recently. They've contacted my current agency for my information.

You get an offer or request for more info?

I am also hearing spring 09