Air Marshal Job Open !

[horse]

here is how screwy this process is,because they have two lists going at the same time.I have been hired by the NYC office,i start monday,i got a call from the boston office to set up a panel interview today off the newer list.i had to tell them im already hired.but on a good note,that frees up another spot for someone else.its all AVUE'S fault from what the agent told me on the phone,there horrible

[horse]

kizmit check your PM

[Time4newjob]

Has anyone who was recently hired received a higher compensation for previous experience such as L/E spec ops, Army MP SRT and 9 years L/E experience? Would you mind sharing if so? Thanks

[FCAP_2008]

Oh good im glad someone got the call this week. Guess they are still on the old packets.

[03usmc51]

I know this question is probably stupid but I was wondering if anyone could tell me what the livescan is and what it stands for? What the E-quip is and what it stands for also the PTA????? Can you also do these things all at one time when you go for your interview?

[Up_On_Base]

E-qip = SF 86 national security forms.

Livescan = fingerprints

PTA = PT test, push/sit/pull ups and 1.5 mile run.

[03usmc51]

Thanks for the information I appreciate it. Hey do you know who started the Seg4vets website?

[GuyinCali]

actually, i got "the call" on Monday. NYFO EOD June 8. there for a month then off to Artesia.
I was hired off the old announcement.

How long ago did you apply, on the old announcement?
I am also under the old and new announcement, I have completed everything for both announcements...

Praying for the "703" call for an EOD...

[kizmit]

my timeline is:

application/COE/Panel - Aug 06
Medical/PTA/Livescan- March 08
transcripts faxed/sf86 -April 08
"The Call" May of 08

[GuyinCali]

my timeline is:

application/COE/Panel - Aug 06
Medical/PTA/Livescan- March 08
transcripts faxed/sf86 -April 08
"The Call" May of 08

Thanks, and Congrats!!!
That is about the same as my timeline too...

Praying for the "703" call for an EOD...

[blueshield22]

here is how screwy this process is,because they have two lists going at the same time.I have been hired by the NYC office,i start monday,i got a call from the boston office to set up a panel interview today off the newer list.i had to tell them im already hired.but on a good note,that frees up another spot for someone else.its all AVUE'S fault from what the agent told me on the phone,there horrible

When is your academy date???

[blueshield22]

So when does everyone on here think they will start calling off the new list??? I broke out a timeline and usually they give you about a month's notice prior to reporting. Then you have about two weeks of improcessing prior to academy start date. I would hope that they would be calling soon but what do you guys think? Classes that I have heard about for sure are June 22 and July 6.

[GuyinCali]

So when does everyone on here think they will start calling off the new list??? I broke out a timeline and usually they give you about a month's notice prior to reporting. Then you have about two weeks of improcessing prior to academy start date. I would hope that they would be calling soon but what do you guys think? Classes that I have heard about for sure are June 22 and July 6.

I heard the next classes start June 22 and Aug 11. I have a good friend that finished Phase 1 last week. Said from what they are told that they are only running one class at a time. Can any FAMS verify this???

Praying for the "703" call for EOD...

[Rolla]

I heard the next classes start June 22 and Aug 11. I have a good friend that finished Phase 1 last week. Said from what they are told that they are only running one class at a time. Can any FAMS verify this???

Praying for the "703" call for EOD...

Yes that is true for now. Depending on the amount of ppl they hire, and manpower will depend on class dates.

[blueshield22]

Yes that is true for now. Depending on the amount of ppl they hire, and manpower will depend on class dates.

So there is no July class cause we were getting told there was? So how many more people are they planning on calling cause classes are probably maxed at 60?

[kizmit]

I am in the July class. EOD June 8, I will be at the FO for a month before I go to training.

[blueshield22]

I am in the July class. EOD June 8, I will be at the FO for a month before I go to training.

So then I guess they are done hiring for the June class and are now hiring for the July and August class????

[Rolla]

So there is no July class cause we were getting told there was? So how many more people are they planning on calling cause classes are probably maxed at 60?

I really have no idea about the July class. The classes could be anywhere from, 25 to 60.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

WOW, they are picking up new FAMS!
About time. See you guys in coach class!

[Rolla]

WOW, they are picking up new FAMS!
About time. See you guys in coach class!

HA, I know right.

[Up_On_Base]

Hey do you know who started the Seg4vets website?

No.

I read about it online, probably foxnews.com and thought it was a good organization. Americans send all kinds of money overseas and don't take care of their own heros.

[Up_On_Base]

To any current FAM (or anyone that wants to answer).

Where do you see the FAMS in 5/10 years?

Do you think they will expand their mission? (All transportation)

Go from 1801 to 1811?

Stay under TSA or merge somewhere else?

[AV8TOR]

To add fuel to our bonfire, looks as if Dana Brown is retiring at the end of the year. Any guesses/opinions as to how this affect current hiring?

http://www.tsa.gov/press/happenings/dana_brown_retirement.shtm

[Up_On_Base]

To add fuel to our bonfire, looks as if Dana Brown is retiring at the end of the year. Any guesses/opinions as to how this affect current hiring?

http://www.tsa.gov/press/happenings/dana_brown_retirement.shtm

I am sure this will have zero impact in new FAMS, they need good people to fill the vacancies and have the funding to hire those people.

I hope the new person can fight the DHS machine for more money so we can all get hired.

[Patrio72]

I have completed a BI for BP twice. Also, I have all the forms, fingerprint cards, etc.. still active on Avue from the previous 2006 announcement. Does anyone know if I will be required to do the e-QIP on OPM's site or can the BP BI and other docs be recycled?

Thanks!

Patriot72

[VCSOMotor91]

I have completed a BI for BP twice. Also, I have all the forms, fingerprint cards, etc.. still active on Avue from the previous 2006 announcement. Does anyone know if I will be required to do the e-QIP on OPM's site or can the BP BI and other docs be recycled?

Thanks!

Patriot72


You are going to have to redue it on the e-QUIP website. I too had mine complete on the AVUE website. If you open AVUE and e-QUIP in different tabs, you can reference one to the other.

[Time4newjob]

Any calls today?

[VCSOMotor91]

Any calls today?

Yeah from my LT. I guess the cat is out of the bag at work. Now I can't wait to go back to work tommorrow.

[Up_On_Base]

Yeah from my LT. I guess the cat is out of the bag at work. Now I can't wait to go back to work tommorrow.

Well...if they contacted your current employer it's probably a good sign they plan to offer soon.

I was told my current job would not be contacted until after I came on board. They only contact old jobs and references...who knows..it's the Feds.

[GWARDEN234]

Well...if they contacted your current employer it's probably a good sign they plan to offer soon.

I was told my current job would not be contacted until after I came on board. They only contact old jobs and references...who knows..it's the Feds.

They have to contact your current job for an IA check before they offer you a position so be prepared. I had to call my boss on his day off because HQ wanted a call from him within 24 hours about a reference and IA check. He was not to happy.

[Up_On_Base]

They have to contact your current job for an IA check before they offer you a position so be prepared. I had to call my boss on his day off because HQ wanted a call from him within 24 hours about a reference and IA check. He was not to happy.

Good copy.

I left LE in 06 so they will contact my old agency for IA. I wonder if they will my current employer (private sector).

I know for my USSS background they only contacted current employer if they offered final employment...whatever I want the job so I am sure I can handle the uncomfortable situation for a few days/weeks.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

To add fuel to our bonfire, looks as if Dana Brown is retiring at the end of the year. Any guesses/opinions as to how this affect current hiring?

http://www.tsa.gov/press/happenings/dana_brown_retirement.shtm

this could be BAD news. Dana Brown took care of us and changed alot of the old policys to make it better for us. If the guy under Dana Brown takes the job then we are going to be in big trouble. The guy under Brown is a guy named Byers and he is just like Tom Quinn (old director). I bet it wont be long that we will be back to wearing suits on flights again, them telling us where we have to sleep and making us cut our hair and shave like we are in the army. I have a bad feeling now that Dana Brown is leaving!

[INTHEAIRCOP]

To any current FAM (or anyone that wants to answer).

Where do you see the FAMS in 5/10 years?

Do you think they will expand their mission? (All transportation)

Go from 1801 to 1811?

Stay under TSA or merge somewhere else?

We asked the same question 6 years ago and nothing has changed. Never will they make us 1811s because the FBI will never give up commercial aviation to us. We will stay with TSA. And are job is to fly,fly,fly and fly.

[Bearcat357]

making us cut our hair and shave like we are in the army.

Not Army....but USSS......

:rolleyes:

[blueshield22]

A question to all current FAMS. How often do you all participate on JTTF's and what are your main roles while participating?

[Patrio72]

I was reviewing a FAMs thread on another board and came across the following post:

"Contingent Offer Letter
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
I had the phone interview 2-3 weeks ago and I just got this email this morning. I followed the link and had to accept or decline the offer. Next I filled in some bio data on a form that is sent to the security office."

1) Did anyone else submit bio data immediately after accepting their COE?
2) I still have not received an email re: BI and fingerprints. Does this mean I am not considered qualified?
3) My recruiter stated that the group (PTA attendees) should hear "something" by May 15th. He didn't expand much beyond that. Does this date ring any bells? As it gets closer, I feel my chances slipping away.
:(
4) Has anyone received "the call" before doing fingerprints or e-QIP forms?

Patriot72

[GWARDEN234]

Just got the call from the new announcment. D.C. field office start date is june 22 or july 7th

[03usmc51]

Hey i just finished my phone interview not really sure how i did though. Anyway my question is this after the phone interview did they give anyone any further information on what to do next? Also how long before you hear wheather you are considered for the next step or not? and how do they notify you if you passed the interview or not? thanks any information would be helpful

[GWARDEN234]

They told me I passed my phone interview and then I waited about two weeks for the written test

[blueshield22]

Just got the call from the new announcment. D.C. field office start date is june 22 or july 7th

Congrats man....is that your EOD or your academy date and did they say which class you will be in?????

[GWARDEN234]

That is my EOD Class is July

Patrio I submitted bio data like you did. My BI and fingerprints happened after the written test May 15 is when you should have the call for this next academy If you did not put in for one of the big airports I would think you may go to the next one because they are hiring for the big ones first. I know they are hiring a ton from a good source so I would not get to bent out of shape.

[Patrio72]

That is my EOD Class is July

Patrio I submitted bio data like you did. My BI and fingerprints happened after the written test May 15 is when you should have the call for this next academy If you did not put in for one of the big airports I would think you may go to the next one because they are hiring for the big ones first. I know they are hiring a ton from a good source so I would not get to bent out of shape.

Actually, I haven't submitted any bio data for the new announcement yet... I had a flurry of activity from early March to late April and then nothing.

4/10 - phone interview
4/22 - Panel & drug test
4/26 - PTA & written tests

I will breath a lot easier once I get an email to fill out the e-QIP and do my prints. How soon after your written test did you get an email to do your BI forms on OPM?

Just so I understand, if you are selected for the next class, you will be contacted no later than May 15, 2008?

Finally, how many classes are planned for the rest of this year? (Pm if this violates opsec.)

Thanks again!
Patriot72

[FCAP_2008]

I was done the 2nd week in April so hopefully I will get the call soon i must be right behind you. Congrats :D

[firecop_22]

I was reviewing a FAMs thread on another board and came across the following post:

Patriot72


What other board were you reading. I am addicted to this forum and would love to become an addict to another one :).

[FCAP_2008]

I am hoping for one of the two florida locations. I know the one spot needs like 10. i will be happy with whatever they give me though.

Come on EOD.

[firecop_22]

I am hoping for one of the two florida locations. I know the one spot needs like 10. i will be happy with whatever they give me though.

Come on EOD.

That's what I'm hoping for also. Is Miami only hiring 10? Because I heard that Orlando was only hiring 4. I really hope that I won't have to relocate my family out of state.

[Up_On_Base]

I was done the 2nd week in April so hopefully I will get the call soon i must be right behind you. Congrats :D

I completed everything last week and hope to get back to NJ.

I hope to get picked up late summer, I won an awards trip (all expenses paid) to St. Kitts and it's mid July. My wife would be ****ed if she didn't get to go on someone else's dime...LOL

[FCAP_2008]

I will be surprised if Orlando hires 4. I hear that is a good spot.

[horse]

real quick,if you do get hired,dont be suprised if its a offer fron another part of the U.S.thats how its done now,and in my opinion if you do not take it you waisted alot of your own time money and effort,there are literally thousands and thousands of people waiting for any oportunity,very few get lucky enough to stay around where they live.orlando and miami are hot offices,before they take you,they have to see who if anyone would like to transfer there from another office.FAMS get paid alot,your money goes a ton farther in FLA,why leave.just my IHO

[03usmc51]

They told me I passed my phone interview and then I waited about two weeks for the written test

Did they tell you when you were on the phone with them for the phone interview

[bluecollar$]

Did they tell you when you were on the phone with them for the phone interview
I did my phone interview,at the end I can't remember if he said" you passed"
but he did say expect a call from the FO to set up your panel interview.

About a week later I got a message to contact the adsac for my date.I called and set it up. Before leaving the panel they gave me the info and date for PTA.(one week later).Finished drug written and pta that day. Hope this helps....semper fi....5th bat. 10th Marines;)

[GWARDEN234]

Did they tell you when you were on the phone with them for the phone interview
yes said interview was informative and expect a call for further testing, then it took two weeks for written test and interview

[GWARDEN234]

Also I tested in virginia and will also work out of virginia so they dont always move you across the country

[GuyinCali]

Just got the call from the new announcment. D.C. field office start date is june 22 or july 7th

Congrats on your EOD!!!

So you said that you were hired on the new announcement, did you also have in on the old announcement?

I completed everything on the old announcement on Mar. 24, 2008, then on April 23, 2008, I went back into the same FO and completed the process all again... I was told I did Excellent on all steps, panel, PTA, SAC Interview...
I hope to get the call soon, either the old or new announcement...

Praying for the "703" call for EOD...

[VCSOMotor91]

Also I tested in virginia and will also work out of virginia so they dont always move you across the country

Do you live in N.Virginia, if so what part? When they called you to make the offer, did they offer you a starting salery for that location? So the 15th is 2 days away and now Im going to be clecking my phone every 2 seconds instead of every 10 seconds.

[bluecollar$]

Hey VC just google police forums it will come right up. It's all the same people:D

[GuyinCali]

I couldnt access the link.

I just went to it, go to three w's dot real police dot net

Then go to forum/chat, then to Federal Questions, then find FAM time-line.
Hope that helps you out...

Praying for the "703" call for an EOD...

[VCSOMotor91]

OK got it. I was searching what EOD stands for and was unable to locate. I remember one person thought it was Explosive Ordinance Disposal. Can anyone advise?

[jonm0303]

OK got it. I was searching what EOD stands for and was unable to locate. I remember one person thought it was Explosive Ordinance Disposal. Can anyone advise?

Military terminology you're correct. On here, Entrance on Duty I believe.

[VCSOMotor91]

Thats what it was, thanks. The Wife asked me what it was and when I couldnt find it I thought I was going crazy.

The real police website has a good post on the Goverment Retirement. It is posted on page 89 which is currently the last page. Does anyone know what the goverment charges to purchase 4 years of active duty? I heard the sooner you do it the cheaper it is and the better off you will be set with your multiplier.

http://forums.***************/forumdisplay.php?f=51

[GWARDEN234]

Do you live in N.Virginia, if so what part? When they called you to make the offer, did they offer you a starting salery for that location? So the 15th is 2 days away and now Im going to be clecking my phone every 2 seconds instead of every 10 seconds.

I live in s. virigina Hr was making the call as soon as names came in. the pay worsheets are not done yet she was going to get back to me today or tomorrow when they are done. it sounded like they were going to be making quite a few calls. hopefully you put in for chantilly because to my knowledge they are hiring for the big airports first. im in state law, what dept are you in?

[FCAP_2008]

When you say the big airports do you mean all the ones listed in the posting or just DC NY LA SF NJ.

[Up_On_Base]

When you say the big airports do you mean all the ones listed in the posting or just DC NY LA SF NJ.

Yes plus Atlanta.

I would also include Philly, Boston, Chicago, and Dallas as the next tier down.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

That's what I'm hoping for also. Is Miami only hiring 10? Because I heard that Orlando was only hiring 4. I really hope that I won't have to relocate my family out of state.

We were told 10 in Miami! Have not gotten any yet since 2002

[GWARDEN234]

When you say the big airports do you mean all the ones listed in the posting or just DC NY LA SF NJ.

Yeah those are probably getting 30-40 a piece , the smaller ones not so many

[FCAP_2008]

I dont think Dallas will have any spots.

[blueshield22]

That is my EOD Class is July

Patrio I submitted bio data like you did. My BI and fingerprints happened after the written test May 15 is when you should have the call for this next academy If you did not put in for one of the big airports I would think you may go to the next one because they are hiring for the big ones first. I know they are hiring a ton from a good source so I would not get to bent out of shape.

How do you know there is a may 15th cut off and if so why are not more people on the board being called? Just a question. PM if you need to.

[GWARDEN234]

How do you know there is a may 15th cut off and if so why are not more people on the board being called? Just a question. PM if you need to.
That is what I was told as a ballpark offer period for my group in DC, the group you were in may be different. I dont think it is a cutoff date. I think they will make calls off and on for the next two months. If you dont get a call this week I would not worry about it in the least

[Patrio72]

The recruiter for our group said that, "you should hear something by
May 15th". That could be translated any number of ways. I translated it as if selected for the next academy, I should hear something by May 15th. As long as I don't get the dreaded BQA (better qualified applicants) email from joeavue, I will be alright.

Patriot72

[Tac]

Guys,
Over the course of these postings, there has been a bunch of speculation, guessing, mis-interpretation, and some wrong information, none of which I am sure has been intentional. When there is not a significant amount of information given regarding everyone's standings, this is a reasonable expectation. However, I am certain that given the track record for timelines from Avue thusfar, a cut off date does not seem to be a reasonable expectation. Hang in there, our calls will come.....

[Navalaircrewman]

FYI...

I just finished the Personal Security Interview with the OPM Investigator for thr TS/SCI this morning. It was the second time I've been through that with the gov....

[Time4newjob]

How long after PTA and written tests have applicants had to wait for a "BQA" e-mail? My PTA was 4/28 NJ. Should I worry?

[Up_On_Base]

How long after PTA and written tests have applicants had to wait for a "BQA" e-mail? My PTA was 4/28 NJ. Should I worry?

I did my PTA (EWR FO) on 4/25 and got the email for e-qip early May.

I am not sure if there is any rhyme/reason for this (or any federal LE) process, some people move fast, others slow.

For my UD process it was 2.5 years, some other guys in my class were 6 months.

[Up_On_Base]

FYI...

I just finished the Personal Security Interview with the OPM Investigator for thr TS/SCI this morning. It was the second time I've been through that with the gov....


How was it??? They are never fun from what I recall, I guess it depends on the BI.

[GuyinCali]

Any phone calls go out today for new EOD?
What is that waiting list looking like now?

Praying on the "703" call for an EOD...

[Bama Boy]

Just got the call at 1930 for DC with a start date of either June 22 or July 7. I have the medical next week and after that I will be given the exact date. This is for the new announcement. I asked the lady and she said that all of the 13 FOs on the announcment will getting new hires. Some will only get a few. Good luck to everyone out there.

[blueshield22]

Just got the call at 1930 for DC with a start date of either June 22 or July 7. I have the medical next week and after that I will be given the exact date. This is for the new announcement. I asked the lady and she said that all of the 13 FOs on the announcment will getting new hires. Some will only get a few. Good luck to everyone out there.

Congrats my man looks like you will be living it up in the capitol!!! Keep your list going though and don't forget about us!!!

[BPD Once]

Congrats Bama. I also got my call today at 1530 for WFO. I also have the medical next week before they will give me the official EOD. I was off the new announcement.

[KIDFIRE79]

Just got the call at 1930 for DC with a start date of either June 22 or July 7. I have the medical next week and after that I will be given the exact date. This is for the new announcement. I asked the lady and she said that all of the 13 FOs on the announcment will getting new hires. Some will only get a few. Good luck to everyone out there.

Congratulations, keep us posted :D

[Bama Boy]

Congrats Bama. I also got my call today at 1530 for WFO. I also have the medical next week before they will give me the official EOD. I was off the new announcement.

Awesome dude! That makes 3 of us for DC. Maybe I'll see you next week at the medical.

[Bama Boy]

Anyone else receive a call or finish everything?

1.luv2spind:D
2.kamkze
3.dtown101
4.gpan202
5.kappa cop:D
6.litreofcola
7.Seager
8.Rather Static
9.bombguy:D
10.clevbrownies
11.Drew23
12.jimjimjim
13.Kidfire79
14.Bama Boy:D
15.FCAP 2008
16.Md094
17.Tac
18.DEENIKE
19.Bear1005
20.blueshield22
21.GuyinCali
22.Lazer
23.AV8TOR
24.VCSOMotor91
25.Navalaircrewman
26.Brianrx13
27.GWARDEN234:D
28.BPD Once:D
29.Statetriple
30.Up On Base
31.kizmit:D
32.horse:D

[GuyinCali]

Just got the call at 1930 for DC with a start date of either June 22 or July 7. I have the medical next week and after that I will be given the exact date. This is for the new announcement. I asked the lady and she said that all of the 13 FOs on the announcment will getting new hires. Some will only get a few. Good luck to everyone out there.

Congrats on your EOD!!!

So it seems like the calls are going out!!!
Let's all say a prayer for our phones to ring with the "703" call...

Praying for the "703" call for the EOD....

[Up_On_Base]

Only contact this week was for extra copy of credit release.

Congrats to all who got the call...and good luck to the rest of us waiting.

God Bless...

[Time4newjob]

Everything done here. Just waiting, The suspense is killing me! Good luck..

[Tachibana]

Congratulations everyone, good work.

[Md094]

Congrats everyone...pass some of the mojo this way! Good luck and stay safe!!!

:) :D :)

Now, back to starring at the phone.

[Navalaircrewman]

Anyone else receive a call or finish everything?

1.luv2spind:D
2.kamkze
3.dtown101
4.gpan202
5.kappa cop:D
6.litreofcola
7.Seager
8.Rather Static
9.bombguy:D
10.clevbrownies
11.Drew23
12.jimjimjim
13.Kidfire79
14.Bama Boy:D
15.FCAP 2008
16.Md094
17.Tac
18.DEENIKE
19.Bear1005
20.blueshield22
21.GuyinCali
22.Lazer
23.AV8TOR
24.VCSOMotor91
25.Navalaircrewman
26.Brianrx13
27.GWARDEN234:D
28.BPD Once:D
29.Statetriple
30.Up On Base
31.kizmit:D
32.horse:D

I start on the 22nd

[Navalaircrewman]

How was it??? They are never fun from what I recall, I guess it depends on the BI.

just the same grueling interview. They're coming to interview my boss on Monday. My squadron told me today, an investigator interviewed them today too. Of course, for the second time in 3 years.

[Bama Boy]

I start on the 22nd

Sorry about that. I still can't get over the shock of getting the call.

[dtown101]

on this forum who all is a current FLEO ....it looks like non-fleo calls are going out right now....our time hopefully is coming soon....

[Up_On_Base]

on this forum who all is a current FLEO ....it looks like non-fleo calls are going out right now....our time hopefully is coming soon....

I am former FLEO so I already completed FLETC, I am thinking they are calling non FLETC grads first to get that training knocked out.

Hopefully...the rest of us will get a call in the next couple of weeks. There is no point to repeat the first phase of training, I sent my FLETC and college transcripts in w/ my package.

[bluecollar$]

Sorry about that. I still can't get over the shock of getting the call.
Congrats bro! Good luck....Just waiting,I guess we'll see what happens.:D
It seems like the calls are only going out for DC right now.

[Bama Boy]

Congrats bro! Good luck....Just waiting,I guess we'll see what happens.:D
It seems like the calls are only going out for DC right now.
There should be alot of folks getting the call for DC this week. The FO has 2 days setup next week for all-day medicals. Everyone that processed out of DC should stand by if you are finished with everything.

[dtown101]

I am former FLEO so I already completed FLETC, I am thinking they are calling non FLETC grads first to get that training knocked out.

Hopefully...the rest of us will get a call in the next couple of weeks. There is no point to repeat the first phase of training, I sent my FLETC and college transcripts in w/ my package.

agee with you 100%

[Up_On_Base]

agee with you 100%

Yep.

No point sitting around in a FO for a few weeks waiting for AC training/phase 2. It would make sense to add people to the phase 2 groups, FLETC can only handle so many people, there is probably more flexability in AC in regards to numbers.

[Drew23]

Has anyone from the old announcement gotten called recently?

[AV8TOR]

I'm a fellow FLEO waiting on phase 2 also. That makes more sense why calls are going out to phase 1 candidates. Judging by the timeline of a June, July phase 1 class there should be a Aug, Sept Phase 2.
(Again this is only my .2 cents, nothing has been put out or confirmed)
I'm gonna look at it as when the call comes, the call comes.
Good Luck everyone.

AV

[luv2spind]

Congrats everyone!!!!!!!!!

[luv2spind]

anybody going to Newark?

[Up_On_Base]

anybody going to Newark?


I am hoping to be there this fall.

[GuyinCali]

Any calls go out today for EOD ???

Praying for the "703" call for EOD...

[firecop_22]

Anyone else receive a call or finish everything?

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7.Seager
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11.Drew23
12.jimjimjim
13.Kidfire79
14.Bama Boy:D
15.FCAP 2008
16.Md094
17.Tac
18.DEENIKE
19.Bear1005
20.blueshield22
21.GuyinCali
22.Lazer
23.AV8TOR
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25.Navalaircrewman
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28.BPD Once:D
29.Statetriple
30.Up On Base
31.kizmit:D
32.horse:D

You can add me to the list. Just finished today.

[Up_On_Base]

Any calls go out today for EOD ???

Praying for the "703" call for EOD...

Heard they are no longer going to hire in CA. All those applicants will be only offered Detroit.

[blueshield22]

Heard they are no longer going to hire in CA. All those applicants will be only offered Detroit.

Who did u hear that from?

[Up_On_Base]

Who did u hear that from?

Dude...I was kidding.

Just trying to get some of you guys to relax...no reason to freak out about getting "the call", it will happen.

This process is flying compared to most Fed LE.

Good luck all...

[blueshield22]

Dude...I was kidding.

Just trying to get some of you guys to relax...no reason to freak out about getting "the call", it will happen.

This process is flying compared to most Fed LE.

Good luck all...

HAHAHAHA!!! I am from LA but here in Dallas so you almost dashed my dreams but it was a good one.

[BPD Once]

That was great. I can say that this process is going or went much faster than I anticipated. This certainly is not the norm. Hang in there everyone. I'm sure there will be many more calls to come.

[GuyinCali]

Heard they are no longer going to hire in CA. All those applicants will be only offered Detroit.

Good one!!! But your right, we should all chill out...
We each did our best, so now it's in Gods Hands...

Praying for an EOD...

[Up_On_Base]

Good one!!! But your right, we should all chill out...
We each did our best, so now it's in Gods Hands...

Praying for an EOD...

Glad you thought it was funny...could not think of many places worse than Detroit.

[Bama Boy]

Glad you thought it was funny...could not think of many places worse than Detroit.

I would take Detroit over Newark or SF any day. Both are too expensive. Jersey is broke and SF is full of weirdos. Also you can get a nice, big house for a great price within a short drive of the airport. Can't do that in some of the other FOs.

[BPD Once]

Quite true Bama you can get a nice big house close to the airport. Except in the other areas you don't have to worry about getting robbed or shot while getting the mail. Granted, I don't think I could do Newark either. I am quite content with DC since Charlotte was not possible.:D

[Bama Boy]

Quite true Bama you can get a nice big house close to the airport. Except in the other areas you don't have to worry about getting robbed or shot while getting the mail. Granted, I don't think I could do Newark either. I am quite content with DC since Charlotte was not possible.:D

Dodging bullets while getting the morning paper keeps you on your toes and gets you alert before work. No offense intended for yor guys in Jersey or Cali. I lived in Cali for 2 years and it was not my cup of tea. My wife is from North Jersey and I hate it every time I have to see the inlaws. The Jersey drivers scare me every time.

[Statetriple]

Dodging bullets while getting the morning paper keeps you on your toes and gets you alert before work. No offense intended for yor guys in Jersey or Cali. I lived in Cali for 2 years and it was not my cup of tea. My wife is from North Jersey and I hate it every time I have to see the inlaws. The Jersey drivers scare me every time.

Well I was born in Cali and left when I was 17 Things are just to Crazy out there now NOT that I am saying I wouldn't move back if the Call came cause if it Comes Look out Guy in Cali cause I am coming!!!!!!!

[Up_On_Base]

NJ gets a bad rep, it's not that bad but is very expensive.

My wife is from Bergen Co, her parents have small 3bd place that is going to 600K and taxes are high. We moved to DC area a few years ago, it's not much better here and traffic is worse here than NYC area.

If you live in Monmoth Co by the shore the cost of living is better and only 1/2 hour to EWR...also Morristown is nice area and NJ has great schools for those of us w/ kids. If you can afford it, the Hoboken area is great for young guys. Easy access to NYC and the women are awesome...ahh to be young again!

[dtown101]

Any calls go out today for EOD ???

Praying for the "703" call for EOD...

your official "the Call" from a 609 area.....that is the HR when they will offer you a salary and email or fax you the paper work to sign

[Md094]

NJ gets a bad rep, it's not that bad but is very expensive.

My wife is from Bergen Co, her parents have small 3bd place that is going to 600K and taxes are high. We moved to DC area a few years ago, it's not much better here and traffic is worse here than NYC area.

If you live in Monmoth Co by the shore the cost of living is better and only 1/2 hour to EWR...also Morristown is nice area and NJ has great schools for those of us w/ kids. If you can afford it, the Hoboken area is great for young guys. Easy access to NYC and the women are awesome...ahh to be young again!

Oh my, how much is a 2 bedroom apartment? You are scaring me. :eek:

[horse]

not sure about 609 area code,but if your phone says 703, and only that number,ANSWER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Up_On_Base]

Oh my, how much is a 2 bedroom apartment? You are scaring me. :eek:

In the Hoboken area about 400K http://www.weichert.com/search/realestate/SearchResults.aspx?cityid=23530&maxpr=470&minbr=2&minba=1.5&mls=44%2c21&cmg=1

or if you rent 2300+.

For a decent house in good area plan to spend atleast 400ish and up.

When we were looking around in the DC area it was very similar to NJ, we ended up 20+ miles north of Balt. I worked w/ guys who would drive 80 miles each way from WV to the White House. Most guys drove 40+ miles each way...all the big cities in the NE are expensive if you want a decent area for your family.

[jonm0303]

not sure about 609 area code,but if your phone says 703, and only that number,ANSWER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I got the 703 area code call about a week ago...man was I excited!!! That was until Hillary started telling me she needed me to vote for her in the NC primary. I'll trade any of you fellas my 703 call for yours;):D

[bluecollar$]

609 is south jersey,where I live.Atlantic city as well. I live in NJ but pretty close to PHL,alot closer then Newark which is about 1 1/2 hours from me.

NJ sucks I'm just stuck here because of family:( My property taxes are $8200 a year, on a 300k house with 5 acres.No trash pick or local police coverage:eek:
I think NJ was #1 for states with the greatest amount of people moving out. The state Gov. is in very bad shape.......

[blueshield22]

I got the 703 area code call about a week ago...man was I excited!!! That was until Hillary started telling me she needed me to vote for her in the NC primary. I'll trade any of you fellas my 703 call for yours;):D

Congrats which FO are you heading to?

[GuyinCali]

your official "the Call" from a 609 area.....that is the HR when they will offer you a salary and email or fax you the paper work to sign

That is the call I am talking about! If it has to do with my EOD and starting salary, that is the call I want.... either 703 or 609, not sure but I will soon let you know when I receive that call!!!

Praying on "The Call" for EOD...

[jonm0303]

Congrats which FO are you heading to?

Sorry...that was my attempt at sarcasm!!! It was just Hillary Clinton's voice asking me to vote for her. It came from a 703 area code. Should have been more clear.

[Bama Boy]

NJ gets a bad rep, it's not that bad but is very expensive.

My wife is from Bergen Co, her parents have small 3bd place that is going to 600K and taxes are high. We moved to DC area a few years ago, it's not much better here and traffic is worse here than NYC area.

If you live in Monmoth Co by the shore the cost of living is better and only 1/2 hour to EWR...also Morristown is nice area and NJ has great schools for those of us w/ kids. If you can afford it, the Hoboken area is great for young guys. Easy access to NYC and the women are awesome...ahh to be young again!

You are on the money about DC. Too much traffic and too damn many people. It's funny how all of the FOs that need poeple the most have the highest cost of living. There's never a big shortage of people in Charlotte, Dallas, Houston, Orlando or Atlanta.

[blueshield22]

Has anyone heard of Chicago, Minneapolis, Detroit, or Denver hiring anyone yet? I have family in Chicago and love it there so I am hoping for it but I will take anything much like the rest of ya. Anyone heard about any classes past July for phase 1 or into the new fiscal year?

[Time4newjob]

i can hear a pin drop in here!

[VCSOMotor91]

got a call from ague today asking if I was still interested because they are only hiring for the g band and I put min salary as h band. So they told me to redo my app and change it to g band. They advised me that there was no way to amend the current application. So I will. Be online late tonight.

[crazyman21]

Do any current FAMs know if there has been any issue with prior 1811s who went into the FAMs having trouble lateral transferring out of the FAMs into another 1811 gig?

[blueshield22]

Got the call LAFO!!!!! Start date either July 6th or Aug 17th!!!

[jonm0303]

Got the call LAFO!!!!! Start date either July 6th or Aug 17th!!!

Congrats man, glad to hear it!! It's good to see that at least calls are going out.

[Up_On_Base]

Got the call LAFO!!!!! Start date either July 6th or Aug 17th!!!

Nice...thought you were holding out for Detroit...oh well LA is almost as nice.

[blueshield22]

Nice...thought you were holding out for Detroit...oh well LA is almost as nice.

Yeah Chicago and Detroit would have been nice but so would winning the lottery. I'll take it any way I can get it. Good luck to all, you have all been a great support. Let the calls keep coming!!!

[Md094]

Got the call LAFO!!!!! Start date either July 6th or Aug 17th!!!

Congrats! Good luck out there!

[shawnali]

does anyone have the website for the pft qual.
i know it was posted before but i cant find it now.
if i remeber it was a pdf file.

thank's alot

[Up_On_Base]

Got the call LAFO!!!!! Start date either July 6th or Aug 17th!!!

Do you have previous FLETC or have to attend phase 1?

[gonefishin]

Oh my, how much is a 2 bedroom apartment? You are scaring me. :eek:

If you don't mind a bit of a commute (50 miles 45 mins to an hour) you could look in the Allentown, PA area. Nice area and I-78 is a straight shot to the airport. Also, its much cheaper than NJ.

[Up_On_Base]

If you don't mind a bit of a commute (50 miles 45 mins to an hour) you could look in the Allentown, PA area. Nice area and I-78 is a straight shot to the airport. Also, its much cheaper than NJ.

I grew up in that area, very nice part of the commonwealth and 78 is good road to travel. Lots of people who work in NYC now live there and commute to the city via bus.

Taxes much better in PA plus your kids can go to Penn State for in-state fees!

Hail to the Lions!

[Navalaircrewman]

Has anyone here had their investigations (SSBI's) started by OPM yet? Just curious

[blueshield22]

Thanks to everyone! I am not former FLEO so I will be attending phase 1.

[03usmc51]

Okay I did the phone interview and got my COE. What is the next step after you get this letter, and does this letter mean that you actualy passed the phone interview and are moving on to the next stages in the application process? Or is the COE just a generic letter they send you after you complete the phone interview?

[Bama Boy]

Got the call LAFO!!!!! Start date either July 6th or Aug 17th!!!

Awesome dude! Congrats. See you at the academy.

[VCSOMotor91]

Okay I did the phone interview and got my COE. What is the next step after you get this letter, and does this letter mean that you actualy passed the phone interview and are moving on to the next stages in the application process? Or is the COE just a generic letter they send you after you complete the phone interview?

After you pass the phone interview you will be called to set a time and date for an oral board/panel interview. They called about two weeks after the px interview. After the panel you they will invite you to take the PTA if you did well. When you go back for the PTA you will take two written exams and a narcotics urine evaluation. Hope this helps out some. It appears that everyone has different time lines and dates. I found when I forgot about them they called for the next step. Stay motivated Devil Dog.

[KIDFIRE79]

Got the call LAFO!!!!! Start date either July 6th or Aug 17th!!!

Congratulations, I guess patience can be a virtue after all :D

[03usmc51]

After you pass the phone interview you will be called to set a time and date for an oral board/panel interview. They called about two weeks after the px interview. After the panel you they will invite you to take the PTA if you did well. When you go back for the PTA you will take two written exams and a narcotics urine evaluation. Hope this helps out some. It appears that everyone has different time lines and dates. I found when I forgot about them they called for the next step. Stay motivated Devil Dog.

Thanks VCSO I appreciate the information so what I gather is that the COE means I passed this phone interview hopefully I get the call for the oral board. Im getting out in october from the military so hopefully the timing workouts I applied in april got the phone interview in may. alright anyway semper fi brother thanks for the info

[Bama Boy]

Good luck to everyone still waiting. Your calls will come. I saw the the proposed 2009 budget numbers for the FAMS that TSA Director Kip Hawley mentioned to Congress this week. If it is approved, it will be a nice bit more than this year. So it looks like good news to everyone that does not get hired in the next few months.

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28.BPD Once:D
29.Statetriple
30.Up On Base
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32.horse:D
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[Md094]

If you don't mind a bit of a commute (50 miles 45 mins to an hour) you could look in the Allentown, PA area. Nice area and I-78 is a straight shot to the airport. Also, its much cheaper than NJ.

Well, hopefully I will have to worry about moving somewhere. But, I'm a bit nervous about adjusting to the cost of living on either coast. I'm used to the midwest cost of living and it is a bit scary to jump up to $400,000+ houses. A $400k house here would be huge, with many bells and whistles.

Thanks for the information, I will definintely keep it in mind!!! :)

[Statetriple]

All right only a couple people on the board have gotten the call for this Mass medical that’s supposed to happen next week in DC. I guess Officer.com only has a small contingent of candidates posting then right because I would have thought BAMA's List would have a lot more red on it by now???? Any thoughts

[GWARDEN234]

Some are already fed leo so they will not get the call until later, some will go to the next academy because they only can take so many people at the one in July, and some will pass everything but the hiring panel and will never get the call. At the pta the guy said there is a must hire group, hire group and BQA and you wont know which group your in unless you get the call or get a BQA letter in a few months, just my opinion. it is way to early to get worried with a few training cycles left this year. I know a guy who got hired in 4 months and a guy who got hired in a year and a half, both had almost the exact same qualifications, luck of the draw

[blueshield22]

Just in general, for all current FAMS.....working in a JTTF....how often and what basic duties as a FAM on a team????? Just want some general info, no real detail needed.....

[blueshield22]

All right only a couple people on the board have gotten the call for this Mass medical that’s supposed to happen next week in DC. I guess Officer.com only has a small contingent of candidates posting then right because I would have thought BAMA's List would have a lot more red on it by now???? Any thoughts

This is true because there are guys who applied with me and have been selected and they do not post on this board....I will say this though....Many, many, many people who post here or have posted here have been selected!!!

[Up_On_Base]

Some are already fed leo so they will not get the call until later, some will go to the next academy because they only can take so many people at the one in July, and some will pass everything but the hiring panel and will never get the call. At the pta the guy said there is a must hire group, hire group and BQA and you wont know which group your in unless you get the call or get a BQA letter in a few months, just my opinion. it is way to early to get worried with a few training cycles left this year. I know a guy who got hired in 4 months and a guy who got hired in a year and a half, both had almost the exact same qualifications, luck of the draw

I think the above is very accurate, there are sooooo many factors in getting "the call". There is a limited amount of people FLETC/AC can train and that depends alot on funding...the new FY start this fall.

Other factors - Previous LE experience, hooks, panel results (critical), BI, previous FLETC cert, FO, etc...all play a role in getting picked up. I know a ton of guys who applied to the USSS-UD and didn't get the call, these men were 1000X better than some of my counterparts, it's all luck of the draw sometimes and getting the right reference.

Bottom line -- Don't stress about the call, if God wants it to happen it will...although he might make you wait.

[VCSOMotor91]

Has anyone on this forum bought back their military time from a federal agency? If so, what is the cost to purchase, what is the benefit, and when should you do it? I heard the sooner you purchase the cheaper it is. And I also heard if you purchase your time it will increase your retirement multiplier. If there is anyone that is able to advise let me know.

[horse]

wow,up on base.you hit the nail on the head.your so right.the god therory and all.a heads up to everyone,if you have finished the oldest and possibly the newest process by now,your gonna get the call most likely.as long as you have not gotten a DQ email your still in it.we need some more good dudes out there.good luck to all

[gonefishin]

Just in general, for all current FAMS.....working in a JTTF....how often and what basic duties as a FAM on a team????? Just want some general info, no real detail needed.....

Even in the biggest offices there is usually only one FAM detailed to a JTTF and these people are usually detailed for a year and are usually former 1811's.

[blueshield22]

Even in the biggest offices there is usually only one FAM detailed to a JTTF and these people are usually detailed for a year and are usually former 1811's.

Thanks! Well I was also looking at pay scales and I know that we are on the SV system. Then I looked at the locality pay table for GS LEO and could not figure out what grade or step we start at. Can someone help me with this, especially since I am going back home to LA from Dallas!!! I was estimating from 50,000 starting what the locality pay looks like.

[blueshield22]

Ok I am not former FLEO but what is the big difference from 1811 and FAMS. Also do FAMS carry off duty? I am ssuming they do. What about when they are commuting home or just flying but not actually on duty...do they carry then to?

[horse]

yep..........

[VCSOMotor91]

I don't know if it is just me but I use to enjoy my days off. I spend them checking this web-site 30 times a day and I also check it from my phone another 30 times. Now I cant to back to work on Monday to keep my mind off of it and hoping to hear something. Just a side note to het off of topic for a few, has anyone seen the movie called Beowolf? Check it out, it will help keep your mind off of this and it is a good action movie with a very advance type of animation. Normaly not my type of flic but this was good.

[VCSOMotor91]

For those that want to know the current Locality Pay.

Locality Pay Area 2008 2007 Change
Atlanta 17.30% 15.89% 1.41%
Boston 22.51% 20.97% 1.54%
Buffalo 15.37% 14.15% 1.22%
Chicago 23.16% 21.79% 1.37%
Cincinnati 17.77% 17.38% 0.39%
Cleveland 17.11% 15.96% 1.15%
Columbus 15.80% 15.00% 0.80%
Dallas 18.74% 17.34% 1.40%
Dayton 15.26% 14.27% 0.99%
Denver 21.03% 20.02% 1.01%
Detroit 22.53% 21.53% 1.00%
Hartford 23.97% 22.44% 1.53%
Houston 27.39% 26.65% 0.74%
Huntsville 14.23% 13.60% 0.63%
Indianapolis 13.51% 13.00% 0.51%
Los Angeles 25.26% 24.03% 1.23%
Miami 19.11% 18.30% 0.81%
Milwaukee 16.73% 15.54% 1.19%
Minneapolis 19.43% 18.17% 1.26%
New York 26.36% 24.57% 1.79%
Philadelphia 20.14% 18.85% 1.29%
Phoenix 14.74% 13.22% 1.52%
Pittsburgh 14.93% 14.16% 0.77%
Portland 18.72% 17.63% 1.09%
Raleigh 16.82% 16.18% 0.64%
Richmond 15.40% 14.41% 0.99%
Sacramento 20.25% 18.99% 1.26%
San Diego 22.00% 20.34% 1.66%
San Francisco 32.53% 30.33% 2.20%
Seattle 19.75% 18.58% 1.17%
Washington 20.89% 18.59% 2.30%
Rest of U.S. 13.18% 12.64% 0.54%









































Note 1: More information about locality pay, including full locality area names, changes to locality areas, and locality are definitions can be found on: http://www.opm.gov/oca/08tables/locdef.asp

[bluecollar$]

I don't know if it is just me but I use to enjoy my days off. I spend them checking this web-site 30 times a day and I also check it from my phone another 30 times.

So thats why we got over 400k views on this thread:D:D
I can't believe the L.A.S.D thread has out posted us:confused::D

Anyway congrats to all who have been selected,I fear I may have hurt my chances by only selecting PHL:( But we shall see.

[VCSOMotor91]

So thats why we got over 400k views on this thread:D:D
I can't believe the L.A.S.D thread has out posted us:confused::D

Anyway congrats to all who have been selected,I fear I may have hurt my chances by only selecting PHL:( But we shall see.

I did the same thing by only selecting Orlando. The recruiter told me that there were only a handfull of positions in ORL and I would be backing myself in the corner by only selecting one area. He advised me to go back into AVUE and add a few locations. You can do this at anytime. So I added PHL & DC to my application. Hope this helps you out. By the way terminal D in PHL has some of the best pizza I had in a long time. (King of Pizza) One of those fringe benifits if you get PHL.

[Up_On_Base]

For those that want to know the current Locality Pay.

Locality Pay Area 2008 2007 Change
Atlanta 17.30% 15.89% 1.41%
Boston 22.51% 20.97% 1.54%
Buffalo 15.37% 14.15% 1.22%
Chicago 23.16% 21.79% 1.37%
Cincinnati 17.77% 17.38% 0.39%
Cleveland 17.11% 15.96% 1.15%
Columbus 15.80% 15.00% 0.80%
Dallas 18.74% 17.34% 1.40%
Dayton 15.26% 14.27% 0.99%
Denver 21.03% 20.02% 1.01%
Detroit 22.53% 21.53% 1.00%
Hartford 23.97% 22.44% 1.53%
Houston 27.39% 26.65% 0.74%
Huntsville 14.23% 13.60% 0.63%
Indianapolis 13.51% 13.00% 0.51%
Los Angeles 25.26% 24.03% 1.23%
Miami 19.11% 18.30% 0.81%
Milwaukee 16.73% 15.54% 1.19%
Minneapolis 19.43% 18.17% 1.26%
New York 26.36% 24.57% 1.79%
Philadelphia 20.14% 18.85% 1.29%
Phoenix 14.74% 13.22% 1.52%
Pittsburgh 14.93% 14.16% 0.77%
Portland 18.72% 17.63% 1.09%
Raleigh 16.82% 16.18% 0.64%
Richmond 15.40% 14.41% 0.99%
Sacramento 20.25% 18.99% 1.26%
San Diego 22.00% 20.34% 1.66%
San Francisco 32.53% 30.33% 2.20%
Seattle 19.75% 18.58% 1.17%
Washington 20.89% 18.59% 2.30%
Rest of U.S. 13.18% 12.64% 0.54%

So







































Note 1: More information about locality pay, including full locality area names, changes to locality areas, and locality are definitions can be found on: http://www.opm.gov/oca/08tables/locdef.asp

So...If your base is 50K and you work in NYC.

Does that mean w/ LEAP and locality it's 100Kish before OT and per diem?

[BigWill2876]

I have given this job a lot of thought and still keep coming back with the question, WHY ?
Is this job a great position ?

I once had a job where I had to commute from NJ (Newark airport) to Kansas City for a little over a year. Fly to KC on last flight Sun and back to NJ 5PM flight out of KC on Fridays.
Because of mileage awards I was able to upgrade myself to first class, and this was Pre 9/11 so the food was OK.
BUT man was I happy to get another job assignment !

I keep thinking of sitting in coach for long stretchs of a long day that starts very early in the day.
You will be constantly exposed to germs from sick babies, awful if non-existant food, someone in front of you racking back his seat into your kneecaps, and someone next to you that wants to "talk".
You can't wear BOSE noise cancelling headphones, you can't take your coat off to expose your firearm, and you can't go to sleep.

I think I would rather have the vacumn getting coins out of the parking meters, at least you get to move and smell fresh air.
But that's just me.....

[Navalaircrewman]

So...If your base is 50K and you work in NYC.

Does that mean w/ LEAP and locality it's 100Kish before OT and per diem?


$78,975

[Up_On_Base]

$78,975

My bad...math skills not working today.

Still that is nice cash and tack on some per diem and OT.

[blueshield22]

My bad...math skills not working today.

Still that is nice cash and tack on some per diem and OT.

HHAHAHAHAHA......you guys are great...thanks for the help. I love this forum and I really can not wait to meet some of you guys on our long, boring *** flights! I wanted this job because every other person in my family is currently in the airlines as pilots. I am a bit of an ultra patriot and it really hurt me to watch 9/11 on tv when I was a student in college and feel like there was nothing I could do. So I walked down to the recruiting station and joined the Army, just like my grandfather had after Pearl Harbor.....Anyways, I want you all to know that there will be days that we will hate, but I got that now as a cop. It will just be the same problems in different disguises but I don't see those as being more important than the job that I will be doing. For me, what makes this job so appealing is the fact that I know that if some radical sitting in seat 5A wants to try and get froggy, he will be leaving seat 5A with a new pair of eyes! Keep up the good work on this forum and let's all hurry up and get to coach!

[Bearcat357]

I keep thinking of sitting in coach for long stretchs of a long day that starts very early in the day.

Not entirely true.....

You will be constantly exposed to germs from sick babies, awful if non-existant food, someone in front of you racking back his seat into your kneecaps, and someone next to you that wants to "talk".

True....for the most part....

You can't wear BOSE noise cancelling headphones,

False....

you can't take your coat off to expose your firearm,

True....

and you can't go to sleep.

False....

[GWARDEN234]

from what i hear base pay is about 38k-40k and overtime is hard to come by, i would expect an offer around 55k give or take

[Up_On_Base]

from what i hear base pay is about 38k-40k and overtime is hard to come by, i would expect an offer around 55k give or take

I also hear that you can expect 8-15 K in tax free per diem, if you do tons of internationals maybe more.

[Bearcat357]

from what i hear base pay is about 38k-40k and overtime is hard to come by, i would expect an offer around 55k give or take

I just talked to one of my Army Bros.....he's been working for them since 02....

He took in about 82K last year......

[dtown101]

from what i hear base pay is about 38k-40k and overtime is hard to come by, i would expect an offer around 55k give or take


If anyone who doesnt have any prior exp or coming from the federal system you can forget getting a base of 50k.......ot is pretty much put in your leap pay....their are some exceptions to the ot rule....btw...to the ones are about to get hired dont put your offer on HERE....keep that to yourself....

[Bearcat357]

If anyone who doesnt have any prior exp or coming from the federal system you can forget getting a base of 50k.......

The buddy I just quoted was a Vet Admin LEO for a couple of years before he got hired by you'all......so he said he was at a hire base than most in his class.....

Got to love paybanding.....

[BigWill2876]

If your desire is to "double tap" someone for 9/11, may I suggest the US Army Rangers or USMC ground or SEALS.
You are far more likely to have the chance than the Southwest Air flight from Omaha to Little Rock.

[blueshield22]

If your desire is to "double tap" someone for 9/11, may I suggest the US Army Rangers or USMC ground or SEALS.
You are far more likely to have the chance than the Southwest Air flight from Omaha to Little Rock.

Well my friend I was kidding and using a little exageration but thanks....I already did my time in the US ARMY from 2002-2006 and have gotten all the "double tapping" that I need out of me!!!! That is what our job entails though should the situation ever present itself....You kind of sound like some of the officers I work with who here about an Officer involved shooting and then say " Well that stuff doesn't happen around here or He wouldn't have the chance to shoot at me". Come on man I was using a far flung example....I know what the job consists of on a day to day basis. It's the point that counts.

[BigWill2876]

I am very curious if and when some Air Marshall has in fact fired a shot within an aircraft IN FLIGHT ?

I find it hard to belive that you could be allowed to use noise cancelling earphones or sleep on duty. So that you would not be aware of the situation on board for your assigned flights.
Is that true ? Even if allowed, which I doubt, how could you in good conscience do something that would put your flight at risk ?
Perhaps the seats wouldn't be a problem for most, I am 6-4, 310 and in shape.

Don't think I am denigrating the job, just looking for the consensus of reason from those looking at the job. I am looking at many different LE jobs, and the who, what, where, when of the jobs are of interest in making my decisions.

I am not an officer, although my Brother is at USNA.

[Bearcat357]

I am very curious if and when some Air Marshall has in fact fired a shot within an aircraft IN FLIGHT ?

December 7, 2005 in Miami is the only shooting I know of....and it was on the ground in a jetway....

I find it hard to belive that you could be allowed to use noise cancelling earphones or sleep on duty.

Sleep....No...

Earphones....yes...I was there when my buddy bought them....and he was going to use them later on when he was flying....he was replacing ones that he had broken...... Real nice Bose ones too I might add.... :D

[SavRhiBri]

I applied in early March. Besides the application completed/received email I have not heard further. Is this common here lately? If I follow up who would I need to contact, Avue? TSA?

[jonm0303]

Sav, If you are processing out of NC then it's normal. PM me with specifics and I'll try to answer. I just talked to the Agent Friday and found out the answers to my questions. Good luck and hopefully we'll catch up to other FO's.

[Up_On_Base]

Bigwill -

I think I understand your points.

You are correct that FAMS is not a classic "kick in the door, lights, sirens, etc. agency". But FAMS does offer excellent training, benefits, travel, and other opps that standard police agencies don't.

There are many different forms of Police work...Traffic, Narc, Security/Protection, Vice, etc.

The problem with FAMS/USSS/NSA Police/USCP is that many applicants don't understand the mission, most of these people are better suited for traditional police work. You need to find the correct fit for you/family to make it work or you will be looking for a new job in 18 months.

[Bearcat357]

The problem with FAMS/USSS/NSA Police/USCP is that many applicants don't understand the mission, most of these people are better suited for traditional police work. You need to find the correct fit for you/family to make it work or you will be looking for a new job in 18 months.

And that's the problem I see as well....

Most folks think that being a FAM would be a great gig.....as they get to show off their cool Creds to buddies back home....fly all over the place....get some fairly decent training.....and make decent money...

They forget that 99.9% of the time they are going to be flying....not doing ANY type of LE work, arguing with the airline folks, waiting @ a Airport for hours because of weather issues, eating crappy food at the Airport, not being able to go places once they land because they have such an early show-time the next morning, being around all kinds of other miserable people, etc.....

FAM's is what it is.......

I have several buddies that just absolutely love it (one is married as well) and talk about staying around for a while.....others are looking to get the hell out.....as fast as they can......

[Brianrx13]

Got the call today. Start June 23

[blueshield22]

Got the call today. Start June 23

Conrats man what FO?

[blueshield22]

Can anyone that is reporting to the LAFO or already there PM me. I have a few questions and would like to start networking. Thanks.

[Up_On_Base]

Got the call today. Start June 23

WFO?

Prior FLEO/FLETC?

[GuyinCali]

Got the call today. Start June 23

Congrats on your EOD!!! Is this the day you go to FO or training start date? What FO did you get?

Any other calls today?

Praying on "The Call" for an EOD...

[VALOR-221]

Any Idea when we would recieve the official Offer Letter? Does this come soon after the medical?

Also, will our pay during Phase I and II of training include LEAP and/or Locality pay.

[FCAP_2008]

Congrats Brian, You said you finished on 5/6/08 wow that is fast to get the call. :D Too bad I didnt get the call yet.

[crazyman21]

Got the call today. Turned down the position after some soul searching and realising that I wasn't a good fit for the job.

[firecop_22]

Well it looks like the calls are going out at a faster pace now. Hopefully some of us Floridians will be getting the call soon...

[Patrio72]

Got the call today. Turned down the position after some soul searching and realising that I wasn't a good fit for the job.

What FO did they offer and what is your background?

[Up_On_Base]

Got the call today. Turned down the position after some soul searching and realising that I wasn't a good fit for the job.

Smart move...if it's not for you no sense in being miserable in 6 months.

[Navalaircrewman]

Any Idea when we would recieve the official Offer Letter? Does this come soon after the medical?

Also, will our pay during Phase I and II of training include LEAP and/or Locality pay.

In the government, if the job reequires a physical...you wouldn't get a [B]final [B] offer letter until after the physical is approved. Locality is always included in salary for anyone in the GS system or the Core Compensation from the first day of employment. (unless out of conus of course)

[VCSOMotor91]

Any Idea when we would recieve the official Offer Letter? Does this come soon after the medical?

Also, will our pay during Phase I and II of training include LEAP and/or Locality pay.

I was told by one of the Orlando Fams that you will receive LEAP during training.

[GuyinCali]

Got the call today. Turned down the position after some soul searching and realising that I wasn't a good fit for the job.

If you were offered a FO, what FO were you offered?

Any other EOD's for the LAFO this week?

Praying on "The Call" for an EOD....

[blueshield22]

I can not decide if I want to report June 22 or July 7 to the LAFO. Still waiting for someone watching this forum or posting here that is going to the LAFO or already there to help me out with some info.....PLEASE!!! I have not been back home to LA in over 10 years so I know it has changed.:cool:

[Bama Boy]

Got the call today. Start June 23

Awesome dude! Congrats. Waht day is you medical? Mine is on the 21. Did they mention what to wear when the called?

[luv2spind]

Anybody Going Newark

[gpan202]

Anybody Going Newark



My house is about as close as Im getting to Newark for right now....

[KIDFIRE79]

Does anyone know if there have been any calls for the Chicago Field Office yet?

[blueshield22]

Does anyone know if there have been any calls for the Chicago Field Office yet?

Yes, My friend who tested with me got the call yesterday for Chicago.

[jimjimjim]

Yes, My friend who tested with me got the call yesterday for Chicago.

Hopefully more will follow.

[bombguy]

Got the call LAFO!!!!! Start date either July 6th or Aug 17th!!!


Congrats man! I'll see you out here someday!

I'm on my 2nd week on the job, leave for FLETC in 2 weeks...I'm positive I'm going to love this job!

[Up_On_Base]

Yes, My friend who tested with me got the call yesterday for Chicago.

I would HATE to fly out of O'Hare everyday...that place is where flights go to get delayed.

[monalisa301]

Not sure if this has already been answered ... but for anyone in the field, how often do you actually get to see the places you are travling to? Is it more common to just fly in and return home in a day? Also, how many hours are you away from home each day? Thanks for any help... ive completed all steps, waiting for the call ... but just received another job offer, and want to make sure I am making the right decision .... my main motivation for this job is the travel ... but im not sure this is the best way for me to see the world ...

[KIDFIRE79]

Yes, My friend who tested with me got the call yesterday for Chicago.

Thank you, I am glad to hear it is moving along in Chicago. Hopefully I can join you and your buddy in Artesia :D

Good luck and train hard.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

You guys have no clue what you are getting yourselves into. Do any of you actually think that you will be doing anything but flying all the time? Before you all jump me I do like my job. But all I have done in close to seven years is flying 4-5 days a week. For you family guys this job will take a toll. I had three kids since being a FAM and I have missed just about every mile stone, for example: 1st steps, 1st words, etc.

I hope you guys did not take the job description literally. The job description states we do all kinds of cool stuff but the truth is you will not do any of it unless you are on JTTF. I am so used to this job that I am numb when I get to the airport. I have my routine and I get off 9-10 hours later. Hotels are my second home and I see my kids maybe 3 days out of the week. The agency in 7 years has made 5 real arrests and if you do make one the FBI will take your case from you.

All I am saying is that you will get paid the big bucks for that one second you may have to actually work in 20 years as a FAM. I want each and every one of you guys who get the job to PM me after 6 months of flying and then you will see what I am talking about.

Good luck guys and I will see you up there!

[Md094]

You guys have no clue what you are getting yourselves into. Do any of you actually think that you will be doing anything but flying all the time? Before you all jump me I do like my job. But all I have done in close to seven years is flying 4-5 days a week. For you family guys this job will take a toll. I had three kids since being a FAM and I have missed just about every mile stone, for example: 1st steps, 1st words, etc.

I hope you guys did not take the job description literally. The job description states we do all kinds of cool stuff but the truth is you will not do any of it unless you are on JTTF. I am so used to this job that I am numb when I get to the airport. I have my routine and I get off 9-10 hours later. Hotels are my second home and I see my kids maybe 3 days out of the week. The agency in 7 years has made 5 real arrests and if you do make one the FBI will take your case from you.

All I am saying is that you will get paid the big bucks for that one second you may have to actually work in 20 years as a FAM. I want each and every one of you guys who get the job to PM me after 6 months of flying and then you will see what I am talking about.

Good luck guys and I will see you up there!


What you said is a good honest opinion of what the job is on a day to day basis. Currently, I am a LEO in a medium sized mid-west city and almost every day of my career has been the same boring routine that an average person could handle. I typically work 1 or 2 accidents a day (it is amazing how people cannot drive), take a couple theft reports or forgeries because someone stole their check book and the local grocery store cashed it without ID (even though I have to give them a DNA test to pass a check in uniform), write a couple tickets and then I will spend the rest of my shift report writing because I am down several reports from the last few days and they are no longer giving out overtime because of the "budget crisis".

But, I still love my job and look forward to going to work everyday. I have just reached the time in my career where I am ready to do something else. I love flying and I love law enforcement so I am looking forward to the career change and moving away from here. The threat against our country and airlines is not going away anytime soon and this job is one where I feel I can hopefully make a difference in the fight.

Anyone with three or more years of experiences knows there are not many jobs in law enforcement (local or federal) where you are not going to be bored on occassion or frustrated with the lack of action. The most important thing is to be ready when the action comes and act.

[Bearcat357]

You guys have no clue what you are getting yourselves into. Do any of you actually think that you will be doing anything but flying all the time? Before you all jump me I do like my job. But all I have done in close to seven years is flying 4-5 days a week. For you family guys this job will take a toll. I had three kids since being a FAM and I have missed just about every mile stone, for example: 1st steps, 1st words, etc.

I hope you guys did not take the job description literally. The job description states we do all kinds of cool stuff but the truth is you will not do any of it unless you are on JTTF. I am so used to this job that I am numb when I get to the airport. I have my routine and I get off 9-10 hours later. Hotels are my second home and I see my kids maybe 3 days out of the week. The agency in 7 years has made 5 real arrests and if you do make one the FBI will take your case from you.

All I am saying is that you will get paid the big bucks for that one second you may have to actually work in 20 years as a FAM. I want each and every one of you guys who get the job to PM me after 6 months of flying and then you will see what I am talking about.

Good luck guys and I will see you up there!

Same story I hear from my buddies. The one I quoted on salary just came back from a overseas flight and will be doing them for another couple of weeks or so....

During that time, he's missing his sons 8th Grade Graduation, his son's baseball games, and his daughter learning to walk better....

He basically has told me he has no chance in his office to get a JTTF slot due to others already sliding into office slots and lining up for them.....

He is one of the 5 listed above that actually made an arrest....but that's been it. He rode with me a couple years back when I was on the road full time.....and just kinda sighed.....as I was doing stuff he wasn't....

As I said folks....the job is what it is...... If you think you are going to be arresting terrorist.....or stopping things....you will be sadly mistaken.....

[blueshield22]

You are all very right! Obviously everyone here grasps the nature of the job we will be doing on a day to day basis, but remember this. A new president will be in office soon with a new administration. The country itself is at odds with each other about how to continue the war on terrorism. No one thought that 9/11 would happen the way it did (well very few) and look what happened. Only the good Lord knows the future and for any of us to assume it would be wrong. I have a very close family member that is in the CIA. He is about to retire and we as a family know nothing of what he has been doing the last 30 years. I can tell you that though he keeps to himself on matters such as those we discuss every day, he has told me that something worse than 9/11 is coming. It is only a matter of time. How it will come will be decided by two groups of people. Terrorists and people like us.

It is not the pay, or the traveling, or any other like reason that I want to do this job. I want to do it because of pride in my country and to know that just maybe men like us will make a difference in the future if no other way than by deterring through prescence those who wish to harm us. I dont have to make an arrest to know that I accomplish my mission. This country is the last bastion of hope against radical Islam. Europe, Asia, and Africa have failed. This was is going to get ugly and continue for years to come. We must always be ready, because if we are not then we are doome to see another 9/11.

Now that my rant is over I will say that dealing with bad food, annoying travelers, long lay overs, smart *** airline employees and the such will take a toll as will the lost time with family. My hope is that the future will bring changes for the good to FAMS. I also want to finish my degree and give my wife space to concentrate on medical school next year. With all that said I wish everyone here the best. Everyone has their dislikes and interests. Just make sure you want to do this job for the right reason and you will be fine. If you do tire of it then add it to your resume and do what you are doing now, apply to get a job.;)

[FCAP_2008]

I was told my packet was going to the review board three weeks ago, so I assume they will be reviewing it soon. I just hope they like what they see. :D

[blueshield22]

How long does it take from th "703" call to get your final letter????

[firecop_22]

So last night I'm with a group of old friends (VCSOMotor91 being one of them) out eating dinner, having some drinks and telling war stories when I feel my phone vibrate in my pocket. I pull out my phone and see the "703" call that I have been waiting for!! My heart stops. :eek: Now as I look at the number on my phone, two thoughts go racing through my head...Oh crap, I've been drinking and Oh crap, he is going to hear my drunk friends in the background.

At that time I had only a couple drinks with my dinner, so I decided I better answer it instead letting it go to voice mail. Without saying a word to anyone at the table, I jump out of my chair and start running through the restaurant to get out the front door. I answer it as I'm about to get outside and what do I hear....VCSOMotor91 say, "Hey it's me you can come back and sit down." I turn around and the whole table is laughing.

Earlier when we had just got to the restaurant, VCSOMotor91 asked to look at my new cell phone for a second. While I wasn't looking he changed his contact name to "703" so he could call me later. If he would have kept it going, he could have had me outside for more than an hour saying yes sir and no sir.

So if you know any other FAM applicants waiting for the call and you access to their phone...This is a funny prank you can do.

Good one VCSOMotor91!! Just remember...payback is coming! :D

[luv2spind]

So last night I'm with a group of old friends (VCSOMotor91 being one of them) out eating dinner, having some drinks and telling war stories when I feel my phone vibrate in my pocket. I pull out my phone and see the "703" call that I have been waiting for!! My heart stops. :eek: Now as I look at the number on my phone, two thoughts go racing through my head...Oh crap, I've been drinking and Oh crap, he is going to hear my drunk friends in the background.

At that time I had only a couple drinks with my dinner, so I decided I better answer it instead letting it go to voice mail. Without saying a word to anyone at the table, I jump out of my chair and start running through the restaurant to get out the front door. I answer it as I'm about to get outside and what do I hear....VCSOMotor91 say, "Hey it's me you can come back and sit down." I turn around and the whole table is laughing.

Earlier when we had just got to the restaurant, VCSOMotor91 asked to look at my new cell phone for a second. While I wasn't looking he changed his contact name to "703" so he could call me later. If he would have kept it going, he could have had me outside for more than an hour saying yes sir and no sir.

So if you know any other FAM applicants waiting for the call and you access to their phone...This is a funny prank you can do.

Good one VCSOMotor91!! Just remember...payback is coming! :D


Thats just wrong!!!!!!!lol

I worked for a Federal Law Enforcement Agency before I have been hired on with FAM. So here it goes, All the numbers in the office if you call my cell phone come up UNKOWN so getting called from work when off or even when I am working is nerve racking. So, one night Im in my little off space listening to some music and chatting with a buddy and my phone rings. UNKNOWN it says. My heart starts beating out of my chest thinking its the call that I have been biting my nails to the bone for. Hello I say, It says back This is John Smith with the Federal Air Marshal Service, My heart stops for a second and then I hear "You have been chosen for the position of gotcha"....................my friend decided to pull that prank...............I was
so mad......So I believe in Karma,,,,,lol


Around Three weeks Later got the real call, but I was still in questioning mode due to the prank, so I called the number back that I was given, right away to confirm........

[AV8TOR]

I know that there have been phase I dates posted/rumored/assigned, does anyone have any knowledge of phase II dates? Are phase II classes going to be conducted immediately following phase I graduations? Hopefully so,...
Us Fletc grads are hoping for a little love too! LOL

AV

[VCSOMotor91]

So last night I'm with a group of old friends (VCSOMotor91 being one of them) out eating dinner, having some drinks and telling war stories when I feel my phone vibrate in my pocket. I pull out my phone and see the "703" call that I have been waiting for!! My heart stops. :eek: Now as I look at the number on my phone, two thoughts go racing through my head...Oh crap, I've been drinking and Oh crap, he is going to hear my drunk friends in the background.

At that time I had only a couple drinks with my dinner, so I decided I better answer it instead letting it go to voice mail. Without saying a word to anyone at the table, I jump out of my chair and start running through the restaurant to get out the front door. I answer it as I'm about to get outside and what do I hear....VCSOMotor91 say, "Hey it's me you can come back and sit down." I turn around and the whole table is laughing.

Earlier when we had just got to the restaurant, VCSOMotor91 asked to look at my new cell phone for a second. While I wasn't looking he changed his contact name to "703" so he could call me later. If he would have kept it going, he could have had me outside for more than an hour saying yes sir and no sir.

So if you know any other FAM applicants waiting for the call and you access to their phone...This is a funny prank you can do.

Good one VCSOMotor91!! Just remember...payback is coming! :D


I wish I had a picture of his face.

[Md094]

I wish I had a picture of his face.

I have to say that was a great thing today...very classy! Wow, I could only imagine what his face looked like. :D

[litreofcola]

I haven't posted in awhile, but intheair is pretty acurate on his day I would assume. Most of us know what he is talking about, but are you okay with it I think is his point. I have been in law enforcement in some way or another since I graduated high school (and no volunteer stuff, getting paid to do it). I have had my chance to see the dead bodies, play with the drunks, see the crack heads, and have all the fun with that. Can I leave it, and sit on plane waiting for a time that will more than likely never come? (yes, I know it CAN come, and we need to be ready for it, but chances of it being YOU with the plane you are on is pretty low. That being said you have to pretend like it is coming). Yes, I can. But, again, I have done the kick in the door stuff before. I don't work in the worlds biggest city, and I have never been one to say I ahve the best cop stories, but I have had my share. I have seen both the good and the bad. I have pointed my gun at people, and taken the bad men to jail. I have also had to listen to children tell me how they have been raped. If I was selected for this job, intheair is right, after about 6 months I am going to miss the streets, it is a part of me, and a part of a lot of us. But, I miss the town where I grew up too, and I like to go visit, but i'm not moving back. We all need to take a few minutes, and put the "im doing it this for my country" and "but when I am needed" away. Intheair is right, you will miss most of your family stuff, and you will fly,fly, and then fly. Think of that day when you are in Europe, and you get a phone call that someone close to you has died. Mother, Father, god forbid spouse or child. At my current job, I can drop everything, come home, and handle what needs handled. Even if it is just medical and not death. Hard to do that when you are in Europe in the middle of a 3 or 4 day international trip. I am not trying to be a bummer here, just you got to see what these current guys are saying. Everyone wants to be ready when the terrorist come, and save the good ol' USA, includign that guy who quit so you could try to get hired. You have to look at both sides, the best (prestige, money, travel, chance to be a hero if it comes) and the worst (family stress, body stress from travel, probably be a faceless drone on a plane with a lot of training that never gets put to use) and realize that most of our experience will come somewhere in the middle. If you want that life, instead of the one you have now, and are going to be okay with the consequences, then go for it. I am not sure, but, I think these are some of the things intheair is trying to get us to see. Lets be honest, if I miss a good thing, it sucks but I can be okay with that. When my wifes Dad dies, and I am half a world away and can't be there to console her, that will be much harder for me to deal with. And, that scenario is a very real possibility.

[GWARDEN234]

Av8tor I Tried To Pm But Could'nt I Signed My Offer Today After My Physical I Got The Next Class Dates But Due To Opsec Pm Me And I Will Bounce It Back

[Lazer]

I see your timeline, didn't you get the electronic COE, then the E-QIP e-mail to do the background on the OPM site?




I know that there have been phase I dates posted/rumored/assigned, does anyone have any knowledge of phase II dates? Are phase II classes going to be conducted immediately following phase I graduations? Hopefully so,...
Us Fletc grads are hoping for a little love too! LOL

AV

[Up_On_Base]

I see your timeline, didn't you get the electronic COE, then the E-QIP e-mail to do the background on the OPM site?

He did the previous process also, therefore he probably already submitted that info.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

I haven't posted in awhile, but intheair is pretty acurate on his day I would assume. Most of us know what he is talking about, but are you okay with it I think is his point. I have been in law enforcement in some way or another since I graduated high school (and no volunteer stuff, getting paid to do it). I have had my chance to see the dead bodies, play with the drunks, see the crack heads, and have all the fun with that. Can I leave it, and sit on plane waiting for a time that will more than likely never come? (yes, I know it CAN come, and we need to be ready for it, but chances of it being YOU with the plane you are on is pretty low. That being said you have to pretend like it is coming). Yes, I can. But, again, I have done the kick in the door stuff before. I don't work in the worlds biggest city, and I have never been one to say I ahve the best cop stories, but I have had my share. I have seen both the good and the bad. I have pointed my gun at people, and taken the bad men to jail. I have also had to listen to children tell me how they have been raped. If I was selected for this job, intheair is right, after about 6 months I am going to miss the streets, it is a part of me, and a part of a lot of us. But, I miss the town where I grew up too, and I like to go visit, but i'm not moving back. We all need to take a few minutes, and put the "im doing it this for my country" and "but when I am needed" away. Intheair is right, you will miss most of your family stuff, and you will fly,fly, and then fly. Think of that day when you are in Europe, and you get a phone call that someone close to you has died. Mother, Father, god forbid spouse or child. At my current job, I can drop everything, come home, and handle what needs handled. Even if it is just medical and not death. Hard to do that when you are in Europe in the middle of a 3 or 4 day international trip. I am not trying to be a bummer here, just you got to see what these current guys are saying. Everyone wants to be ready when the terrorist come, and save the good ol' USA, includign that guy who quit so you could try to get hired. You have to look at both sides, the best (prestige, money, travel, chance to be a hero if it comes) and the worst (family stress, body stress from travel, probably be a faceless drone on a plane with a lot of training that never gets put to use) and realize that most of our experience will come somewhere in the middle. If you want that life, instead of the one you have now, and are going to be okay with the consequences, then go for it. I am not sure, but, I think these are some of the things intheair is trying to get us to see. Lets be honest, if I miss a good thing, it sucks but I can be okay with that. When my wifes Dad dies, and I am half a world away and can't be there to console her, that will be much harder for me to deal with. And, that scenario is a very real possibility.


GREAT POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bombguy]

....I guess us single guys have it easy!!!:D

[blueshield22]

....I guess us single guys have it easy!!!:D

did u get my pm?

[nec]

I noticed here in this thread that after you take PTA, there's a written exam or written something of that nature????

Could one of you please shed some light on that?? I thought all you do is PTA and go home but apparently there's more to it.

Is this written exam or evaluation is something that you have to study for???


thanks guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[VCSOMotor91]

I noticed here in this thread that after you take PTA, there's a written exam or written something of that nature????

Could one of you please shed some light on that?? I thought all you do is PTA and go home but apparently there's more to it.

Is this written exam or evaluation is something that you have to study for???


thanks guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you have any street smarts or most importantly COMMON SENSE then you will have no problem. They sprung it on our group and no one had any problems except for some giggles during the film. Don't sweat it.

[Up_On_Base]

Av8tor I Tried To Pm But Could'nt I Signed My Offer Today After My Physical I Got The Next Class Dates But Due To Opsec Pm Me And I Will Bounce It Back

I was thinking about this post today, we all need to be a little more careful sharing information on an open forum. Good job by GWARDEN234 not posting dates online.

We are all excited to "get the call' but we don't need to post what FO and report dates so anyone can read.

In this crazy world we call the internet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f99PcP0aFNE) sometimes it's easy to forget that you don't really know the person that is your internet friend.

Sorry for the rant.

[bluecollar$]

I agree most dates should be kept off the board but FO names really aren't an issue. You can get a list of them pretty easy.I don't think saying which FO is an OPSEC issue just the dates for classes.

[Up_On_Base]

I agree most dates should be kept off the board but FO names really aren't an issue. You can get a list of them pretty easy.I don't think saying which FO is an OPSEC issue just the dates for classes.

I was actually referring to "I am starting at FO "X" on Monday, then report to FLETC on "X".

I agree, naming your FO is not a big deal but dates/times should be avoided if possible.

Anyway -- According to other forum, some calls went out again today...looks like some additional movement! :)

[GuyinCali]

Any calls go out today for new EOD's???


Praying on "The Call" for an EOD...

[GuyinCali]

Any others get the call for EOD today? On the other forum one said he got the call for Chi-Town... Anyone hoping on the LAFO or SFO?

Praying on "The Call" for an EOD...

[blueshield22]

I am not sure if this has been asked but I was wondering...as more and more FAMS come in with good experience...many with degrees (some multiple).... and many close to finishing their degrees combined with not only investigative experience but experience of aviation LE, does anyone think that we will eventually get the 1811 status???

[blueshield22]

I am not sure if this has been asked but I was wondering...as more and more FAMS come in with good experience...many with degrees (some multiple).... and many close to finishing their degrees combined with not only investigative experience but experience of aviation LE, does anyone think that we will eventually get the 1811 status???

[FCAP_2008]

Glad calls are still going out. Im sure there are still a good amount of spots open. Just got to wait and see what happens. :D

[DEENIKE]

Got the call "703" Newark, NJ field office. Look forward to the mile high club.

[Up_On_Base]

Got the call "703" Newark, NJ field office. Look forward to the mile high club.

Are you current FLEO?

**Disregard...just read your info**

Congrats...NJ is good times.

[Bear1005]

I am not sure if this has been asked but I was wondering...as more and more FAMS come in with good experience...many with degrees (some multiple).... and many close to finishing their degrees combined with not only investigative experience but experience of aviation LE, does anyone think that we will eventually get the 1811 status???

Blue, when I was at my PT/UA/Video tests in Orlando, the FAMS there said eventually. They said they weren't sure how long it was going to take to get everybody through the 1811 training, but that it was going to happen . It would make it easier for FAMS to transfer to another agency. Not that anyone would want to leave FAMS, lol.

[manstown]

I doubt you will ever see FAMS get their 1811. There was much talk about it when I was with them. But the cost of putting the large number of FAMS through the training probably won't happen. That and the fact that most of what they would investigate is terrorism which FBI is the main agency involving that, and they sure as hell won't give that up. If anything remotely close to terrorism happens on the plane, even with FAMS on it, FBI will be waiting at the gate for them to get off. Wouldn't hold your breath on that one. There was a little talk of adding a sudo CI portion to training, but that never happened either.

[Bear1005]

I doubt you will ever see FAMS get their 1811. There was much talk about it when I was with them. But the cost of putting the large number of FAMS through the training probably won't happen. That and the fact that most of what they would investigate is terrorism which FBI is the main agency involving that, and they sure as hell won't give that up. If anything remotely close to terrorism happens on the plane, even with FAMS on it, FBI will be waiting at the gate for them to get off. Wouldn't hold your breath on that one. There was a little talk of adding a sudo CI portion to training, but that never happened either.

I'm definitely not holding my breath, I'm just putting what the FAMS told me. They actually told the 14 people that were there for testing. After reading this thread, its probably not going to happen, but hey you never know. Hope for the best but don't expect anything!

[jetset1]

Does anyone know if there has been any "Call" for the Miami office as of yet? Good Luck to ALL!! Praying for the "Call"!!!

[pbaptiste]

Does anyone know if there has been any "Call" for the Miami office as of yet? Good Luck to ALL!! Praying for the "Call"!!!

Hello, I'm new here. I had a phone interview with the Miami office back in March. Received a COE a few weeks later. I've not heard anything since :(. From what I've read here seems as if most of the people that have received an EOD reapplied when the new announcement came out, right now it is hurry and wait.

[GitmoVet]

I've been lurking the forum here for a while, now that I can post, put my name on the list. Put in for everywhere, hoping for the big O in FL.

Applied 1/21/08
COE 03/08
Phone Interview 03/08
E-qip 3/08
pft/video/tests/interview 03/11/08
fingerprints 03/19/08
The wait...

[Thor1911]

I too am new and had been lurking for a while on this formum. I have done everything twice (interviews, PT, etc...) and I am still waiting.

I completed my last "2nd" Tests on April 18th. I ran the Mile at 6:12 and the Mile and a half at 9:32. :eek:

Last time I talked to the agent, said that none of his applicants were on the June list and he heard that it was only other FO applicants were being selected. I am hoping that I can get an offer by August 1 for my FO of application. I am just waiting on the call!

[Thor1911]

What is the average offer and what is the most that anyone has heard that someone recieved?

I have no law enforcement or military experience but I do have a masters degree!

Thanks.

[heat6]

Not sure if anyone has mentioned it yet, has anyone heard anything out of the FO? I've done the phone interview (late March), and received the COL (April), but nothing since.

[heat6]

sorry, Houston FO

[GWARDEN234]

I know of a couple offers including mine and they range including leap and cola 60k to 75 k depending what you have to offer, you can negotiate but if you do they will not make you an offer that day after the physical because they have to clear a renegotiation of salary with the directer so they send you home without a job. I would think the director has better things to do then listen to hr tell them about a dude who wants more money when the 40000 guys behind him or her will take the job regardless of pay so be carefull if you renegotiate and be prepared for a major let down when you dont here back from them ever. I heard in the past they would add maybe two grand a year back in the day during the ramp up but now roll the dice and pay the price

[AWVet]

I'm new to this site but I've been reading these FAM threads for over a month. What is obvious here are differences is the hiring process. The following has been my process so far:

Applied-2/08
COE-3/08
Telephone Interview-4/08
Panel Interview-4/08
PTA, Written Tests, Drug Test-4/08
Told my packet was sent to Washington-5/08

What I noticed is, is that I haven't been requested to send my E-qip nor fingerprints. Is this an issue or is this normal?

Also, I would appreciate if I could everyones collective insight and opinion. I have seven years military experience. I have three years active Army in a combat arms MOS and four as an administration specialist in the National Guard and I'm a VA 10% disabled vet. I'm currently in officer candidate school with a BA degree but no LE experience. I'm currently an operations manager in a major fitness company. All of this all sounds good but by no means am I complacent about the hiring process. It seems that there's no distinct pattern in what type of applicant is hired. With all of this said, what do you think my chances are? Thanks everyone.

[AirForceOne]

Are you current FLEO?

**Disregard...just read your info**

Congrats...NJ is good times.



Just a heads up, calls are going out for EWR FO. I don't have prior FLETC, but got the "703" call. Up_On_Base, I think we interviewed the same day, did you get a call?

[NS1286]

I've been reading this thread for awhile now and just joined the forum. I don't have any LE or military experience and I was suprised I made it as far as I did in the process. Here's my timeline (pretty standard):

1/08-Applied
3/08-Phone interview
4/08-COE
5/08-Written tests, BI, PTA, drug test, fingerprints

I get my degree in June and I'm hoping I hear something sometime after that.

Congratulations to everyone who's gotten hired and good luck to everyone waiting.

[Up_On_Base]

Just a heads up, calls are going out for EWR FO. I don't have prior FLETC, but got the "703" call. Up_On_Base, I think we interviewed the same day, did you get a call?

Nope no call yet.

I know of one person who has previous FLETC that got the call so far, it has been several years since he attended MBPTP and has left the Feds. Therefore he might have to go back to re-certify, still waiting on that confirmation .

I really hope (if I get the call) that I won't have to spend any time in Artesia...that place is a dump.

Looks like they are calls are going out in FO clusters, still no NYC and limited EWR calls???