Air Marshal Job Open !

[knightrider26]

CTL,
Congrats to you on the job. I too waited a long time for the position to open up. I will be working out of the NYFO. When is your report date? Hang tight everyone who has been in the process for a while. Your time is coming

[nateljen80]

Quote/. The show on air marshals will be tonight at 10pm est on cnn. /Quote.

So much for OPSEC. Really I think releasing information that could severely impact the government is treasonous, hence that's why it's Top Secret classified. The Air Marshall's who were on the show should be found out and hung out to dry. I dont care how much sense they make or how right they are. I didnt know before this aired the approx. number of flights that air Marshall's flew on, neither I'd wager did the bad guys, till now.....Even if the report is innacurate it still emoldens an enemy who is dedicated, ruthless, cunning, and very capable. I've known things about the govt that would cause damage if released, but no matter how ****ed off I was or how much self rightousness I felt, I would never do such a thing. I'd put one in my head first. Simply Treacherous Left-Wing agenda BS.

[Bearcat357]

So much for OPSEC.

Ummm...what about former FAMS Director Quinn allowing USAToday to view training at A/C....and then report about about on a lead story several years again....?

Or Guns and Ammo being allowed to do a story with Mr. Quinn's help as well a while back.....about their tactics....?

As for the rest...it wasn't just one or two FAMS....it was a bunch of them that seemed to be worried about Air Safety and that fact that the FAMS are losing more folks that they are replacing.....and the hiring system currently in place blows.....

I am suspecting they had already bitched to the Chain of Command about these issues and were ignored...... As that's par for the course with DHS....trust me.....

Now, DHS USSS Mafia will be running around trying to cover their asses while they look for scape goats.....

And trying to say what they did was Left Wing is seriously pushing it...... :rolleyes:

Oh...and it's (1) "L" in Marshal..... ;)

[DubyaB]

I have a B.S degree, 3 years local l.e. experience, airline experience, and certified pilot.. It took the FAMS 1.5 years to contact me for an interview.

If the FAMS are so short there is no reason why it takes so long to get back to you.. You could be the best applicant ever, which I am very far from, but to them you are just a number..


I think the article is right on..


I think you need to realize the arena you are playing in now. This is not like being hired at a local law enforcement agency. ALL federal processes are long and drawn out. Hell, at a year to year and a half to call you back the FAMS are on the fast track compared to most fed agencies! The hiring process takes a while for a reason regardless of who you are and what quals you have. Alot of steps in there are necessary to weed the less than desirables out. Lord knows I don't want someone armed on my plane with issues that could have been caught if the application process wasn't jacked up just for the sake of faster processing. Look at the sheer numbers of applicants applying at each vacancy. Now, divide those thousands up geographically and start from there with the interviews, PT, and other testing. Not only a logistical nightmare, but pretty damn expensive too. Sure, Im sure they could tweak some things here and there but you have to remember this is the "G" we are talking about here. Federal law enforcement application processes will always take a long time. Get used to it.
As for your take on the CNN.com show, I could not disagree more. This is nothing more than tabloid journalism. Exposing "perceived" weaknesses in our civilian air safety programs that generate genuine OPSEC concerns as a result accomplishes nothing but getting people worked up and give any potential terrorists good news for the sake of a story. Why dont they focus on the inept TSA screeners who could miss a small South American army in a carry on and their problems if they needed to address a real concern. Hell, every FAM I know tells horror story after horror story of not only not being able to get through security without TSA blowing his cover to everyone, but with other issues anyone, esp. a FAM should not have to deal with. If they do their job effectively, the need for an air marshal is drastically cut. Given, the FAMS have some serious issues they need to address internally, but giving articles like this do them more harm than good IMHO.
One thing CNN failed to mention are the other federal agents (all 1811 series) that fly armed both on personal and business travel. Given, they are not "Air Marshals" per say, but they are still armed federal law enforcement who are there to protect that plane. Im sure those numbers would greatly boost the ratio of armed fed. agents per flight. Another example of them telling you what they want you to hear.

[Bearcat357]

As for your take on the CNN.com show, I could not disagree more. This is nothing more than tabloid journalism.

Once again, the FAMS have allowed time and time again to show their tactics and procedures on TV....that anyone can easily find on the internet..... This is no different......

FAMs are out there ticked off because they are over worked and understrength.....I am pretty sure it was brought to managements attention.....and they did nothing.... Look how jacked up the hiring process is.... Anyone that was really looking at things could easily come here or to 911 and see how the process works....see the guys/gals griping, and know that the system is jacked up.....


Why dont they focus on the inept TSA screeners


Go to KCTV5. com... They just did a story on the ones in KC missing fake IDs.....so....

but giving articles like this do them more harm than good IMHO.

Remember, active duty FAMs were the ones doing the bitching....not CNN....CNN just gave them a platform. Had Fox, MSNBC, or ABC been given the chance, they would have done the same thing......


One thing CNN failed to mention are the other federal agents (all 1811 series) that fly armed both on personal and business travel. Given, they are not "Air Marshals" per say, but they are still armed federal law enforcement who are there to protect that plane. Im sure those numbers would greatly boost the ratio of armed fed. agents per flight. Another example of them telling you what they want you to hear.

Lots more flying armed than "1811s"....... Not only Feds but state/county/locals are flying armed as well..... I will leave out the reasons why....

[horse]

man, this is situation BS.seems the gov might be trying to get away with the bare min fams on flights.because it has been working so far. but the terrorist are not stupid,they will wait for a breach and stike.and it kills me to say that,i hate saying it.but just like the streets, if they are quiet ,then the objective is moved elsewhere.WTF

[brettb21]

not to get off subject, but I got the "contingent offer" email this AM...followed the directions to supposedly view it on avue...but can't find it...anyone have input? :confused:

[manstown]

I'm with bearcat. Unless you are or were a FAM, you have no idea what it is like. The treatment FAMS get from management, airlines, security, and so **** you off. The biggest reason I left was because FAMS came first and family last. The same for all across the board. For all you aspiring FAMS, maybe you'll see and live what FAMS go through. Hopefully not, but if you get hired you will. Getting in at 2200 because of delays and having to be at the airport the next day at 0430 because they tell you, you have to stick with the mission......it's crazy. They could care less about their employees and even less about their kids first birthday. For the person who thinks what the FAMS did was a breach in OPSEC, look around the internet a little. All that information has been mentioned at one point or another. Even our tactics have been aired because some idiot SAC, ASAC invited cameras to training. Know what you're talking about before you go on a tangent about these guys.

[nyguy1202]

congrats to you, the wait sucked big time but hey thats the nature of the beast atleast there is still movement hopefully more good folks get the call. sent you a PM.

Hi everyone,

I have been watching this site since I applied back in 7/06. Just got offered and accepted Newark, NJ today. Anyone heading there can shoot me a PM if they want and I may even answer if I figure out how to check them! I would tell everyone waiting to hang tight. I was just as pi@#$d as everyone else but today I sure am happy I waited! Here is my time line.

Applied 7/06
Interview/Drug Test 10/06
Notice no word for over a year
Physical 2/08
PTA/Drug Test 2/08
Offer 3/08

[LEobound08]

not to get off subject, but I got the "contingent offer" email this AM...followed the directions to supposedly view it on avue...but can't find it...anyone have input? :confused:

An Avue rep told me yesterday that they are having trouble with the CO link you are talking about. He didn't say when it would be fixed.

[DEENIKE]

I first applied for FAM's in July of 2005 I completed the whole process by December of 2006, only to find out through good resources I was denied by the review board. I can tell you the whole process takes time. The interview is like any other business interview, they ask general questions and they want a response as follows: situation, action, & result. This is no different then any other job interview. The drug screen is just that a drug screen. The physical is basic as if you are going through a yearly check up. The PTA depends on your ability and physical shape. I did over 50 push ups, I did around 45 sit ups and I did 8 pull ups. On the 1.5 mile I did not do well I ran in the high 13's but all in all I scored good or excellent. The psych was more personal but yet if you have nothing to hide you will do just fine and truthfully it is no worse then the written psych I took after my board interview.

I am going through the process a second time now I reapplied in January 2008two days after the announcement. I have had a phone interview early March and on the 25th I recieved a COE. I quickly accepted and I am in prayer I get the job this time and the review board lets me in. I say good luck to you all keep a positive outlook. I have one family member who is a FAM as well as another who is high up in TSA. I get good info back from them about this time around, so again good luck to all.

[nateljen80]

Ummm...what about former FAMS Director Quinn allowing USAToday to view training at A/C

And trying to say what they did was Left Wing is seriously pushing it...... :rolleyes:

Oh...and it's (1) "L" in Marshal..... ;)

1. Former..exactly

2. The Left Wing agenda is that CNN aired this to begin with.

3. Thanks for spelling lesson

[Md094]

I guess I starred at the phone long enough because I had the phone interview this morning. Woot!!!

01/08 Application
03/08 Phone Interview

[Quick2352]

not to get off subject, but I got the "contingent offer" email this AM...followed the directions to supposedly view it on avue...but can't find it...anyone have input? :confused:

When was your phone interview? I'm trying to get an idea of how long it takes.

[Bearcat357]

1. Former..exactly

A. He resigned....maybe asked to leave but he did resign and wasn't fired for cause......

B. He was part of the USSS Mafia that has ran that place to the ground....and a lot of other places......

C. I never defended him. Just saying that he started all that back in his term.....

The Left Wing agenda is that CNN aired this to begin with.

What about when the Right bashes the FAMS...?

http://michellemalkin.com/2006/01/06/tom-quinn-resigns-good-riddance/

And you can damn well believe that if the FAMS in the program had gone to Fox....they would have ran the story as well. No doubt in my mind....

[QUOTE=nateljen80;11615213. Thanks for spelling lesson [/QUOTE]

Anytime....

[gonefishin]

Are Air Marshal trained in mortal combat situations?

To a degree...FAMS get advanced throwing star technique training...training in the deployment of poisonous darts and mind control tactics....among other things

[nateljen80]

I think they used their mind control on me onetime. I chose fish instead of chicken. The next week me and john crapper got to know each other in ways I never thought possible.

[EWUCrimj]

Got the call for the phone interview as well. Of course now i have two questions. 1.) Did they do away with the panel interview? Posts in the first half of the thread say there is a panel interview and mention nothing of a phone interview. Posts in the last part of the thread mention phone interview with nothing about a panel. 2.) It says there is not "minimum" score for the PTA. So then are you judged against the other applicants? I have never taken a past/fail test without an obvious pass/fail score.
Thanks everyone!

[futurefed21]

I had the exact same questions as you EWU...your first question im still wondering, does anyone know?? as for the second question, from reading previous posts it seems that the PTA is more to gauge your skill level than to determine wheter or not you continue in the process...according to another forum member he works with air marshals who failed portions of the PTA & it obviously didnt affect them since they got the job...

[kamkze]

Got the call for the phone interview as well. Of course now i have two questions. 1.) Did they do away with the panel interview? Posts in the first half of the thread say there is a panel interview and mention nothing of a phone interview. Posts in the last part of the thread mention phone interview with nothing about a panel. 2.) It says there is not "minimum" score for the PTA. So then are you judged against the other applicants? I have never taken a past/fail test without an obvious pass/fail score.
Thanks everyone!

On the new announcement they added the phone interview, if you pass it you will get a panel interview. As for the PTA there is no pass or fail but obviously the better you do the better the chances, to a degree. With that said I have heard of guys maxing the PTA and not getting hired and guys not doing well and getting hired. Its just part of the overall assement. Hope that helps.

[robousmc]

when did you apply?

Got the call for the phone interview as well. Of course now i have two questions. 1.) Did they do away with the panel interview? Posts in the first half of the thread say there is a panel interview and mention nothing of a phone interview. Posts in the last part of the thread mention phone interview with nothing about a panel. 2.) It says there is not "minimum" score for the PTA. So then are you judged against the other applicants? I have never taken a past/fail test without an obvious pass/fail score.
Thanks everyone!

[EWUCrimj]

when did you apply?

Uhm..... i think it was in the last week of February. Been in the process a month now. I live near Seattle which apparently, per the CNN special, has the highest need for new Marshals.

I am a little confused about the COE however. This is an offer in so much as you dont screw anything else up along the way, correct? So how many people that get a COE actually get hired on? Sounds to me that as long as you can wait long enough and pass a background/physical you're good to go.

[robousmc]

Uhm..... i think it was in the last week of February. Been in the process a month now. I live near Seattle which apparently, per the CNN special, has the highest need for new Marshals.

I am a little confused about the COE however. This is an offer in so much as you dont screw anything else up along the way, correct? So how many people that get a COE actually get hired on? Sounds to me that as long as you can wait long enough and pass a background/physical you're good to go.

as far as i know most people that got the COE either got hired or gave up in time..at least from what i've read. it is conditional so i think its based on the conditions that you pass everything from there on out. but other than that the COE means you meet qualifications and you did good in the interview....

[kamkze]

as far as i know most people that got the COE either got hired or gave up in time..at least from what i've read. it is conditional so i think its based on the conditions that you pass everything from there on out. but other than that the COE means you meet qualifications and you did good in the interview....

Well all the people left on the old announcement, like myself received a COE. I doubt all of us left will get hired off this announcement. The COE just means you passed the basic quals and you will continue through the process. As long as you pass all the steps your packet will be sent to the hiring panel and thats where the final decision is. Atleast that is how I understand it.

[robousmc]

for people around for awhile..how long and when was the hiring freeze? could it be possible that its over and the process is in fact moving along faster? if so is it possible to get hired this year or early 09'?

[kamkze]

for people around for awhile..how long and when was the hiring freeze? could it be possible that its over and the process is in fact moving along faster? if so is it possible to get hired this year or early 09'?


The hiring was last year and yes it is over for now and I would say early 09 is very possible.

[robousmc]

thanks for the good info....

[nateljen80]

A. He resigned....maybe asked to leave but he did resign and wasn't fired for cause......

B. He was part of the USSS Mafia that has ran that place to the ground....and a lot of other places......

C. I never defended him. Just saying that he started all that back in his term.....



What about when the Right bashes the FAMS...?

http://michellemalkin.com/2006/01/06/tom-quinn-resigns-good-riddance/

And you can damn well believe that if the FAMS in the program had gone to Fox....they would have ran the story as well. No doubt in my mind....



Anytime....

Good pints, I mean points, sorry freudian slip. I need a cold one ;)

[Md094]

Typically in Law Enforcement work the COE is needed so the agency can do the background, polygraph and physical. Of course, if you do not meet the expectations they can revoke your offer and you can also no longer accept the position if something changes in your life.

[VCSOMotor91]

Just got the call for a phone interview.

[horse]

apparently phone interviews are going out all over the country today thats the impression i got from my interview.i had mine this morning.i was hoping it was "the call" for the old process because im still in that too and have no steps left.i asked the interviewer about it.he said they got both processes going at the same time.

[Rather_Static]

Old Announcment Guys, and all others...

I did my PTA this morning, maxed out Pull Ups, Sit Ups, Push Ups and I did the run in a good time, we got bamboozeld with snow and ice last night, so I ran indoors.

Everyone I met presented themselved as motivated professionals...I left there with a good feeling from the discussions that its just a matter of a few more weeks.

Semper Gumby :)

[futurefed21]

congrats bud keep us updated

[marcusindc]

Can we start a new thread with new, relevant information? Good God this is getting a big much.

[litreofcola]

Nah, keep this thread. I like the loonnnggg lenght. Anyway, talked to a recruiter today. He told me that he does not know how many are left in the old pool, but that they will hire about two more classes from it, or about 80 peeps. After that, it will expire and hires will come from the new pool only. So, there it is. All I know that I can share. Now, I have to go get ready to get a crappy score on my PTA test, and hope for the best. I got a little ****ed when they had a freeze and stopped working out like I should have been. Then, I got a medical notice and have not had the time to get it where I wanted. I know that I will not max out everything, but hope to just get an overall good at least, lol.

[kamkze]

Old Announcment Guys, and all others...

I did my PTA this morning, maxed out Pull Ups, Sit Ups, Push Ups and I did the run in a good time, we got bamboozeld with snow and ice last night, so I ran indoors.

Everyone I met presented themselved as motivated professionals...I left there with a good feeling from the discussions that its just a matter of a few more weeks.

Semper Gumby :)

Congrats! Sounds like you and I scored the same on the PTA, I hope you are right about the few more weeks!

[kamkze]

Nah, keep this thread. I like the loonnnggg lenght. Anyway, talked to a recruiter today. He told me that he does not know how many are left in the old pool, but that they will hire about two more classes from it, or about 80 peeps. After that, it will expire and hires will come from the new pool only. So, there it is. All I know that I can share. Now, I have to go get ready to get a crappy score on my PTA test, and hope for the best. I got a little ****ed when they had a freeze and stopped working out like I should have been. Then, I got a medical notice and have not had the time to get it where I wanted. I know that I will not max out everything, but hope to just get an overall good at least, lol.


80 more that is very promising!

[luv2spind]

Hey guys,
LOOKS LIKE WE ARE ALL IN THE SAME PLACE, I APPLIED BACK IN 2005 AND THEN DID MY INTERVIEW IN 2007 AND NOW IN 2008 JUST A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO I DID MY MEDICAL, PHYSICAL, AND THE SECOND UA TEST. HOPEFULLY SOMETHING STIRS......I TALK TO DC THEY SAID THAT THE HIRING COMMITEE WAS MEETING ON THURSDAY WHICH WAS YESTERDAY AND THAT THEY ARE PICKING MORE TO HIRE BUT THE QUANTITY OF, WAS NOT SAID. HOPEFULLY litreofcola HAS GOTTEN CORRECT INFO FROM THAT RECRIUTER HE HAS SPOKEN TO, CAUSE IN THE PAST MIXED INFORMATION HAS SPREAD......

[kamkze]

Hey guys,
LOOKS LIKE WE ARE ALL IN THE SAME PLACE, I APPLIED BACK IN 2005 AND THEN DID MY INTERVIEW IN 2007 AND NOW IN 2008 JUST A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO I DID MY MEDICAL, PHYSICAL, AND THE SECOND UA TEST. HOPEFULLY SOMETHING STIRS......I TALK TO DC THEY SAID THAT THE HIRING COMMITEE WAS MEETING ON THURSDAY WHICH WAS YESTERDAY AND THAT THEY ARE PICKING MORE TO HIRE BUT THE QUANTITY OF, WAS NOT SAID. HOPEFULLY litreofcola HAS GOTTEN CORRECT INFO FROM THAT RECRIUTER HE HAS SPOKEN TO, CAUSE IN THE PAST MIXED INFORMATION HAS SPREAD......


Thats good news that the hiring panel met yesterday, hopefully there will be some movement soon. Thanks for the update! Does anyone know if the panel decides not to hire you if you will receive notification?

[luv2spind]

I was told by the human resources officer that you will recieve a email form avue saying sorry but we must go our seperate ways,,,pretty much what he said

[luv2spind]

and the panel decides who gets hired

[kamkze]

and the panel decides who gets hired

Yeah thats what I thought, so hopefully I will know either way in the next week or so. Good luck to everyone who has a packet infront of the hiring panel!

[luv2spind]

Hopefully We Have Our Dreams Come True Soon

[DubyaB]

Hey guys,
LOOKS LIKE WE ARE ALL IN THE SAME PLACE, I APPLIED BACK IN 2005 AND THEN DID MY INTERVIEW IN 2007 AND NOW IN 2008 JUST A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO I DID MY MEDICAL, PHYSICAL, AND THE SECOND UA TEST. HOPEFULLY SOMETHING STIRS......I TALK TO DC THEY SAID THAT THE HIRING COMMITEE WAS MEETING ON THURSDAY WHICH WAS YESTERDAY AND THAT THEY ARE PICKING MORE TO HIRE BUT THE QUANTITY OF, WAS NOT SAID. HOPEFULLY litreofcola HAS GOTTEN CORRECT INFO FROM THAT RECRIUTER HE HAS SPOKEN TO, CAUSE IN THE PAST MIXED INFORMATION HAS SPREAD......

Hey bro..not busting the you know whats...but take the caps lock off on your next post. On forums typing in all caps is interprested as yelling and we know you are not doing that!! ;) Good luck with the rest of your process.

[JiujitsuFighter]

So I had my phone interview on Wednesday, March 26 2008, everything seemed to have went well. Thursday morning, however, I had an email from avue stating:

Dear Applicant:

Thank you for your recent application for the Federal Air Marshal position. Your application has been evaluated. We regret to inform you that the information you provided in your application resulted in a rating of ineligible. Please refer to the Job Vacancy Announcement regarding Minimum Federal Qualification Requirements and/or the Law Enforcement Age Requirement. If you feel this email was sent in error, please contact the Avue Help Desk at famshelp@avuetech.com

No further action will be taken on your application for this position. You may access information about other career opportunities with the Office of Law Enforcement/Federal Air Marshal Service (OLE/FAMS) by logging in to our website at www.famsjobs.us

We appreciate your interest in employment with the OLE/FAMS and wish you success in your professional career endeavors.



Sincerely,



Human Resources Division
Office of Law Enforcement
Federal Air Marshal Service



I was confused about the wording in the email "the information you provided in your application resulted in a rating of ineligible" :confused: If that is the case then why would I have had a phone interview? Or is the email referencing the phone interview? The email obviously is a generic template and perhaps the wording just wasn’t changed. Anybody run into this? Does this mean I should move on and resubmit my application for Flight Attendant school, because I will, I’m crazy like that!!!! :)

Thanks gents…

[ctl1117]

I was confused about the wording in the email "the information you provided in your application resulted in a rating of ineligible" :confused: If that is the case then why would I have had a phone interview? Or is the email referencing the phone interview? The email obviously is a generic template and perhaps the wording just wasn’t changed. Anybody run into this? Does this mean I should move on and resubmit my application for Flight Attendant school, because I will, I’m crazy like that!!!! :)

Thanks gents…

First of all my friend Avue is nuts. No one on this forum will tell you any different. Call Avue and find out if its correct or not. It sounds like either your education isn’t enough or you’re not old enough? But if you meet both I wouldn’t go down without a fight! Avue sent a bunch of those letters to all kinds of applicants who then got calls for Physicals and PTAs. If they won’t tell you and you make the requirements then reapply.

[JiujitsuFighter]

First of all my friend Avue is nuts. No one on this forum will tell you any different. Call Avue and find out if its correct or not. It sounds like either your education isn’t enough or you’re not old enough? But if you meet both I wouldn’t go down without a fight! Avue sent a bunch of those letters to all kinds of applicants who then got calls for Physicals and PTAs. If they won’t tell you and you make the requirements then reapply.

Thanks...I certaintly meet the education requirements and Im still half a decade away from the age limit so all that should be good. I did shoot the help desk an email, per their original email, but I haven't heard anything yet..

Much appreciated.... Fingers, toes and my guard (Jiu-Jitsu reference) are all crossed. :D

[gpan202]

Gotta love Avue...


Also started a different thread ref to air marshal candidates 2006 to present...I guess most people are used to using this thread....so any ideas on how to shut the one I made down?

[ctl1117]

Put up a post on that thread telling everyone to use this one.

[jonm0303]

Hello everyone!! I am new to this site and applied in Feb. under the new announcement. I just finished reading this section yesterday (all 133 pages) and I'm ready to start the waiting process. I should be used to it after six years in the Army. Good luck to all who applied. I had my phone interview on Thursday so it sounds like everyone is progressing forward at pretty much the same pace so far. Have a good one and I hope to get to talk to you all soon.

[EWUCrimj]

Just got done with the phone interview. Only took 25 minutes, which seemed short. He didnt ask me to elaborate or re-explain anything, can't decide if thats good or bad.

[Tachibana]

Avue, I think FAM is in a one up manship contest with other fed agencies to see who can make the process the most torturous.

[noone1569]

JiujitsuFighter

I received the same e-mail as you directly after my phone interview. I e-mailed them back and asked what was up with it. Almost immediately after e-mailing them back, I received an e-mail stating that I should disregard that message as it was received in error.

I applied Mar 15, phone interview within 18 hours, and am still waiting . .uhg . .

[litreofcola]

Hey all, quick question for you FAMS out there. I will admit, I got a little crabby during hiring freeze and slacked off on my workouts (er, stopped?). Well, when I got contacted taht it was going again, I got back into the swing of things. But, wheels moved fast, and my PTA is fast approaching. I know I have nobody to blame but me, and can't change the facts now. Anyway, I don't think I am going to do that great, and no that I will not MAX everything out. How do they figure your overall ratings? How important is it really? I have a good amount of previous LE experience, and am only 27 years old. I think I did pretty good in the interview, as I would probably not be here if I didn't. Anyway, any insight would be greatly appreciated on how bad of a screw up I have made here, lol. This is the FED job that I really want, and I have checked every single FAM office as well for where I would be willing to go, so I hope that helps.

[bleedirish]

I applied early March and had my phone interview last Saturday. Monday I received an email telling me to accept the COE at Avue. I did and they told me it was all forwarded to TSA for the BI. Does anyone know how long that takes, considering no problems in my past. I also received a call from FAM again today but I missed it. Has anyone had two phone interviews for different locations or do they not do that?

[JiujitsuFighter]

JiujitsuFighter

I received the same e-mail as you directly after my phone interview. I e-mailed them back and asked what was up with it. Almost immediately after e-mailing them back, I received an e-mail stating that I should disregard that message as it was received in error.

I applied Mar 15, phone interview within 18 hours, and am still waiting . .uhg . .

Wow...Thanks...That is definetly good to hear. :D

[dtown101]

Wow...Thanks...That is definetly good to hear. :D

not saying your not qualified but it could be one of two things....1. you didnt do too well on your phone interview or 2. avue messed up...for your case hope it is number 2....good luck

[jonm0303]

When you guys say you got an email offering from Avue for the COE, is that with the email address you registered with or is there a place on the site where they contact you? Thanks in advance.

[litreofcola]

I had a COE under the old announment that actually said conditional offer of employment. Under new announment, it just says that you have been identified as meeting basic requirments and will be called by phone. both came to the email address that I submitted.

[MvExplorer]

Hey guys, I just finally got approved to post here after about a week or two of reading the other messages. I am a fresh college graduate come May with a degree in Criminal Justice/Criminology. I am hoping to go Federal LE and I am setting my sights on becoming a FAM. I have extensive travel experience throughout the world and I love to travel so I figure the Air Marshals are a perfect fit for me...hopefully they'll feel the same way.

I am hoping that some of you guys who are in the system or even better, current FAMs, could shed some light on what could help me get my foot in the door. As a college graduate with not a lot of experience, I get the feeling that its going to be a fight to get hired on somewhere like FAMS. I do have 2 years of ROTC (Army) experience and I have some martial arts training as well. I know its not much, but I know that certain places like FAMS evaluate candidates on an individual basis and I'm hoping that I can "wow" them when I have the interviews. I guess my main concern is that I won't even get the chance to get that far. Will my app be given consideration since I'm so fresh out of school? Do you FAMs out there know of any "younger" guys like me who have made it through?

Thanks a lot for your replies in advance and thanks for all the other useful info that I've found on this thread.

Mike

[jonm0303]

I had a COE under the old announment that actually said conditional offer of employment. Under new announment, it just says that you have been identified as meeting basic requirments and will be called by phone. both came to the email address that I submitted.

Thanks for your reply. I've done the phone interview but haven't received an email either way, before or after. I just got a call to schedule the interview, and then did the interview, and that was the last I heard. Anyways, no news is good news I guess.

[futurefed21]

I applied early March and had my phone interview last Saturday. Monday I received an email telling me to accept the COE at Avue. I did and they told me it was all forwarded to TSA for the BI. Does anyone know how long that takes, considering no problems in my past. I also received a call from FAM again today but I missed it. Has anyone had two phone interviews for different locations or do they not do that?

hey bud im in the same waiting period you are...from what i understand we have to wait for a call from a FAM who will then tell us what documents are needed to proceed with our BI...im assuming they will either (a) mail us a packet to fill out or (b) make the packet electronically available through AVUE...ill def post if i get that phone call, please do the same!! :)

[kamkze]

Hey guys, I just finally got approved to post here after about a week or two of reading the other messages. I am a fresh college graduate come May with a degree in Criminal Justice/Criminology. I am hoping to go Federal LE and I am setting my sights on becoming a FAM. I have extensive travel experience throughout the world and I love to travel so I figure the Air Marshals are a perfect fit for me...hopefully they'll feel the same way.

I am hoping that some of you guys who are in the system or even better, current FAMs, could shed some light on what could help me get my foot in the door. As a college graduate with not a lot of experience, I get the feeling that its going to be a fight to get hired on somewhere like FAMS. I do have 2 years of ROTC (Army) experience and I have some martial arts training as well. I know its not much, but I know that certain places like FAMS evaluate candidates on an individual basis and I'm hoping that I can "wow" them when I have the interviews. I guess my main concern is that I won't even get the chance to get that far. Will my app be given consideration since I'm so fresh out of school? Do you FAMs out there know of any "younger" guys like me who have made it through?

Thanks a lot for your replies in advance and thanks for all the other useful info that I've found on this thread.

Mike


You should meet the min. req. to get a phone interview, from that point on its up to you to impress them. Not having any real world experience will hurt you, but that degree will definately help!

[EWUCrimj]

You should meet the min. req. to get a phone interview, from that point on its up to you to impress them. Not having any real world experience will hurt you, but that degree will definately help!

So does everybody who meets the min. requirements receive a phone interview? That would seem like alot of phone interviews for a very limited number of spots.

[VCSOMotor91]

Just completed my Phone Interview. I feel that I did good, so know im waiting for the next step. Anybody else in the same boat?

[kamkze]

So does everybody who meets the min. requirements receive a phone interview? That would seem like alot of phone interviews for a very limited number of spots.

From what I have been told, yes everyone who meets the min. req. gets a phone interview. Thats why this process can take sooooo long.

[robousmc]

does the phone interview come from the field office you applied or main hr?

[kamkze]

does the phone interview come from the field office you applied or main hr?

From the FO.

[freeagent305]

Got a contingent offer via email wanting me to accept through the internet...next step is a oral interview i guess...anyone else got the offer via email?

[VCSOMotor91]

Mine came from the Orlando FO.

[Up_On_Base]

Got a contingent offer via email wanting me to accept through the internet...next step is a oral interview i guess...anyone else got the offer via email?

How long after the phone interview did you get the email?

Thanks

[kevinTA]

hey folks, finally got approved to comment... I have the panel interview this week and am wondering if anyone can give me any tips for it!? Feel free to PM me. Any info would be awesome!!

[kamkze]

hey folks, finally got approved to comment... I have the panel interview this week and am wondering if anyone can give me any tips for it!? Feel free to PM me. Any info would be awesome!!

Be honest and dont exagerate.

[jonm0303]

i'm being processed out of the charlotte office too. I had my phone interview around 2 weeks before the first person posted anything about it on here, and I haven't heard anything yet either. I haven't heard of any COE's that have come out of charlotte yet.

I think you're right about Charlotte. I think everything depends on what FO is handling your application packet. I had the phone interview and did pretty well, I thought, but have received no COE as of yet. Has anyone applying out of Charlotte heard anything different. Take care and good luck again to everyone!

[froggy]

Ive seen alot of interesting posts recently and wanted to comment on avue and "the process".
I was called to come on board a month ago and start in a couple weeks. I have still had alot of emails coming through fom avue asking if I was still interested, and have been called twice now by other field offices asking if I wanted to have a phone interview. I have even been told by some people from my regional office that they could notview my whole file to see if I had completed everything yet, all afte having been hired already. Some of you that got a notice that you didnt qualify or whatever I would just truck on, because as segmented as this process may seem you still likely will be contacted in the future to move on in the process. I found in the time I waited to get this job that the more I forgot about it the better, and at the time I had totally wrote off this job I got the call the next day. Have faith, and dont get wrapped up in thinking you are less qualified than someone else. Put your best foot forward, and sometimes those with college degrees and the least experience are seen to be a great candidate because they can be molded by the agency without prior training or habits. Stay positive and dont put too much stock in the emails from avue and such.

cheers,
froggy

[robousmc]

i put down to be processed out of charlotte but i did not apply there..im still waiting to get the call for the phone interview..for those that did phone interviews out of charlotte when did you apply?

[jonm0303]

i put down to be processed out of charlotte but i did not apply there..im still waiting to get the call for the phone interview..for those that did phone interviews out of charlotte when did you apply?

I think I applied sometime in the middle of Feb. 2008 and then received a call to schedule for a phone interview on 23 March from a 704 (Charlotte) area code. They scheduled me for the next day.

[robousmc]

cool i applied march 3rd..got email saying i was qualified then nothing for a few weeks.

[luv2spind]

Hopefully something stirs

[bleedirish]

Has anyone had more than one phone interview for different FO's?

[Bama Boy]

I just received the call this morning for the panel interview at the Washington FO next Thursday. Looks like the process is moving quickly this time around.

[Tachibana]

Still staring at my phone.

good luck everyone

[thenagain]

Had the phone interview the other day. Pretty straight forward. Was told that it is a pass/fail type of thing. Was also told that the next thing up was the panel interview, drug test, PTA, and psych. All of those things may be given on the same day according to the person on the phone. Very informative conversation in which he also told me that the FAMS were trying to get many hired as quickly as possible for fear that the money may dry up. Good luck to everyone else in the process and lets keep each other informed.

[luv2spind]

I stare at my phone all the time thinking its ringing but its all in my head,,,,,,,,im driving myself mad,,,,,lol

[EWUCrimj]

Had the phone interview the other day. Pretty straight forward. Was told that it is a pass/fail type of thing. Was also told that the next thing up was the panel interview, drug test, PTA, and psych. All of those things may be given on the same day according to the person on the phone. Very informative conversation in which he also told me that the FAMS were trying to get many hired as quickly as possible for fear that the money may dry up. Good luck to everyone else in the process and lets keep each other informed.

Has anybody who applied in the most recent announcement completed their panel interview yet? If so, any idea of how long it is from panel interview to PTA? That whole "all in one day" thing has me worried about being in my best shape. I was hoping for no less than 2 weeks from the panel interview to get into peak shape for the PTA.

[Quick2352]

I just received the call this morning for the panel interview at the Washington FO next Thursday. Looks like the process is moving quickly this time around.

When did you have your phone interview? I had mine through the D.C. FO last week. Hopefully they will call me soon for a panel interview.

[Bama Boy]

I did the phone interview on March 6

[LEobound08]

To those who have taken the PT portion of the FAM hiring process; when does this (1.5 mile, sit-ups, etc.) occur? The same day as the panel interview? Thanks.

[luv2spind]

Who is all done here with the process......?

[kamkze]

Who is all done here with the process......?

me

[dtown101]

me

Applied July 2006
Panel interview Aug 4 2006
Drug Screening Aug 4 2006
Psyche Aug 4 2006
Prints Live Scan @ Dulles Airport Aug 4 2006
PT Aug 4 2006

Phone Interview March 26, 2008
Resubmitted Prints Live Scan @ DCA March 27, 2008
Resubmitted BG to OPM March 28, 2008

waiting .....

[luv2spind]

1.LUVSPIND
2.KAMKZE
3.DTOWN101

small class.....lol

[gpan202]

fine...im #4

[luv2spind]

Ok Fine Yor #4,,,,,lol

[luv2spind]

1.luvspind
2.kamkze
3.dtown101
4.gpan202
5

[Kappa Cop]

#5
March 07-Applied
April 07-Fingerprints
May 07-Interview/Drug Screening
Jan 08-Medical
Feb 08-PTA/Drug Screening
March 08-Live Scan/BG to OPM
CALL--???????

[luv2spind]

1.luvspind
2.kamkze
3.dtown101
4.gpan202
5kappa cop

[luv2spind]

Hopefully We All Get The Call Next

[MvExplorer]

wooo...this application is pretty dang intense. How much did you guys write for your narratives? I want to explain everything, but at the same time I don't want to spend 12 hours doing an app. How much do you recommend I put into it?
Mike

[ctl1117]

#6

Applied 7/06
Interview/Drug Test 10/06
Physical 2/08
PTA/Drug Test 2/08
Offer 3/08
Report to Field Office for Duty 4/08

[luv2spind]

Hey ctl117 sent you a pm

[gpan202]

ctl looks like he's about a month ahead of us guys

[luv2spind]

We are almost there though....lol

[BPD Once]

Greetings everyone. I'm new here but was wondering if anyone has heard anything out of WFO for the new announcement. I had my phone interview around 3/1 and have yet to hear anything. Just wondering if there was any movement.

[luv2spind]

No movement so far just waiting

[JiujitsuFighter]

Greetings everyone. I'm new here but was wondering if anyone has heard anything out of WFO for the new announcement. I had my phone interview around 3/1 and have yet to hear anything. Just wondering if there was any movement.

Stand by to stand by....

[Tachibana]

Luv2:
JUNE 05 APPLIED
FEB 07 INTERVIEW/UA

holy jebus

[luv2spind]

Luv2:
JUNE 05 APPLIED
FEB 07 INTERVIEW/UA

holy jebus

tell me about it i think they lost my paper work since i moved to Vermont

[litreofcola]

Just finished my PT. Sucked on it, so I am probably out. Guess we will find out if it is the all important part, huh?

But you can add me to the list of those who are done now.

[luv2spind]

1.luvspind
2.kamkze
3.dtown101
4.gpan202
5.kappa cop
6.litreofcola

[Seager]

I'm a new poster. I suppose you might as well go ahead and put me up on the "praying" list, as I finished everything up mid-march.

[luv2spind]

1.luvspind
2.kamkze
3.dtown101
4.gpan202
5.kappa cop
6.litreofcola
7. Seager

[Statetriple]

Just finished my PT. Sucked on it, so I am probably out. Guess we will find out if it is the all important part, huh?

But you can add me to the list of those who are done now.

Can u private message me and let me know what Sucked is.....


thanks

[PriorFAST]

Hey everyone. Im brand new to the board, and the "waiting game" as well. I know one or two of you personally. I appreciate all the information that has been shared on this thread. And will contribute as much as I can. Good luck all.

Quick question: Does anyone know what happens after you go into your completed application and edit? Does it go to the bottom of the "stack" to be re-reviewed?

[nateljen80]

I have my panel, pta, and medical ect. ect in two days.

[VCSOMotor91]

That's nice to get all three knocked out at once. Hopefully it will be the standard for everyone. Good luck.
For those that have ran the PT portion, I was wanting to know if they are primarly ran on a track or out in a neighborhood. I need to shave 30 seconds off to get the 10:45 time and I fond it easier to work on time management on a quarter mile track rather then an unknown stretch of roadway.


I have my panel, pta, and medical ect. ect in two days.

[Rather_Static]

1.luvspind
2.kamkze
3.dtown101
4.gpan202
5.kappa cop
6.litreofcola
7. Seager

I too am a Dec of 2005'er..I am 100% done, and last I heard on Thursday, my file is with the final powers to be.

Come on mama!!!

R_S

[kamkze]

I have my panel, pta, and medical ect. ect in two days.

That suprises me, because they wouldnt let me do my pta until FAM medical in DC clears what the Fed Building doctor has to say at you medical. If so though congrats, it will definately speed things up.

[nateljen80]

That's nice to get all three knocked out at once. Hopefully it will be the standard for everyone. Good luck.
For those that have ran the PT portion, I was wanting to know if they are primarly ran on a track or out in a neighborhood. I need to shave 30 seconds off to get the 10:45 time and I fond it easier to work on time management on a quarter mile track rather then an unknown stretch of roadway.

THE 10:45 time or A 10:45 time? As far as I know it's an assesment not a defined Go/No Go. PT is great and will help, but something tells me they're looking for the type that can sit on a plane and not complain day in day out. That also can shoot, and has been in use of force situations. PT studs will be welcome, but I dont think it's critical to be one. Besides they figure Artesia will be a kick in the nuts anyways and you'll be in good shape when you graduate. How can they expect people to remain in tip top shape for years waiting on them to call? I deploy at the end of April so at least I'll have something in the meantime to keep me busy :]

[luv2spind]

1.luvspind
2.kamkze
3.dtown101
4.gpan202
5.kappa cop
6.litreofcola
7.Seager
8.Rather Static

Well hopefully things stir they are supose to be hiring more. I heard from Avue today.

[BPD Once]

What did you hear from AVUE. I had my phone interview over a month ago and have yet to hear anything. I would have thought that I would have at least heard whether I am moving to he next phase. I spoke with a recruiter last month and he told me I was competing for the summer classes. My how things change. Good luck to all of you that have received the call.

[luv2spind]

Hey Nateljen80 congrats on the job!

[luv2spind]

He told me that they are still hiring,,, thats all he knew,,,,,lol really no straight answers cause he is really not informed that much,,, he said only the field offices would know more info about that,,,,,


D

[BPD Once]

It would be nice to simply hear back from the FO especially when you try to contact someone. What FO are you gunning for?

[luv2spind]

BPD I PM you

[robousmc]

welcome to the board priorfast...be on SOG tomorrow come by the duty hut...

[PriorFAST]

Thanks, got it the 28. Should be my last.

[gpan202]

Natejen:

Deploy where....Im a little confused.

[nateljen80]

Overseas,

I should have clarified. That's what will keep me busy until the academy. Because it looks like I'm in for a long wait judging by prior posts. Good luck, and remember patience is a virtue.

[VALOR-221]

I had originally applied back in 2006 and only completed forms and fingerprint cards then nothing.... not even a rejection email. From checking this forum it seemed like there was not any order to the process. But this new process that started in Jan. '08 is much different.

Applied Jan '08
Phone March '08
Panel coming up next week. (6 days notice)

I asked if I could change days and got the reply that they are working a tight schedule and that would not work. Glad I didn’t have court!

I’m sure this will work out into the whole rush and wait game though.

[futurefed21]

man im starting to get antsy I got my COE a couple weeks ago but still havent been scheduled for the panel!! anyone from the NY/NJ area recently get scheduled for a panel off the New Announcement??

[ocpd8655]

hey im new just got approved to post. i applied in feb and got that mass email in the begining of march but nothing since havent even had a phone interview. any ideas? i applied for the newark and NY FO's. i have a B.A and almost a year of LEO experience.....anyone here apply under the new announcment for NY and heard anything?

[futurefed21]

yea bud i applied same areas as you & i got the COE about 3-4 weeks after my phone interview...the next step is the panel which some people (but not me yet!) seem to be getting called for now lol...good luck.

[uwfsam2000]

I was soo happy today, i finally got my call for the phone interview, after like 2 months of nothing, was shocked, but hey. Im good on the phone, so its probably not hard. Hopefully the process start moving fast!!

[homer]

how does the phone interview work? do they call to arrange a time for the interview? what if you work during the day?

[VCSOMotor91]

They will call you to schedule a time. They called me on my cell PX and when they scheduled the time for the interview they asked what line (home or cell) I wanted the interview to be on.

how does the phone interview work? do they call to arrange a time for the interview? what if you work during the day?

[knightrider26]

What's up everyone? I haven't been on in a while but I thought I should come on and see what's up. I see some people from the old announcement are still waiting. Hang in there people, your time is coming. Good luck to everyone.

[ocpd8655]

yea bud i applied same areas as you & i got the COE about 3-4 weeks after my phone interview...the next step is the panel which some people (but not me yet!) seem to be getting called for now lol...good luck.

i mean is anyone still waiting for the phone interview? i havent heard a word, i dunno what to do

[Tachibana]

right here ocpd. I got the email and still waiting for a call.

[kamkze]

right here ocpd. I got the email and still waiting for a call.

Me too

[luv2spind]

Still Waiting Hopefully Soon

[luv2spind]

Check Your Pm Kamkze

[Tac]

I did the phone last week, and I'm all set for the panel, pt, psyc and drug test in a few weeks. I did the panel and testing about a year ago and passed, now seems that I am on both the old hiring list and the new hiring list.
Anyone else in the same situation?

[firecop_22]

Whoo hoo, I just got my COE!

02/08- App
03/08- Phone interview
04/08- COE

[kamkze]

I did the phone last week, and I'm all set for the panel, pt, psyc and drug test in a few weeks. I did the panel and testing about a year ago and passed, now seems that I am on both the old hiring list and the new hiring list.
Anyone else in the same situation?


There are a few of us that on both lists.

[Up_On_Base]

Whoo hoo, I just got my COE!

02/08- App
03/08- Phone interview
04/08- COE

+1 just got my COE

[Statetriple]

Whoo hoo, I just got my COE!

02/08- App
03/08- Phone interview
04/08- COE


Same here

02/08 APP
03/08 Phone Interview
04/08 COE

[robousmc]

Whoo hoo, I just got my COE!

02/08- App
03/08- Phone interview
04/08- COE

fl what field office did you get the COE for?

[EWUCrimj]

Got the COE here as well. This is looking like the spam email that went out a month ago, since four other people got it this morning. Pleasant wednesday morning surprise nonetheless.

Whats the average wait from COE to PTA?

[bleedirish]

It is weird b/c I think different FO do it differently. I applied in early March, had the phone interview 2.5 weeks ago. Got the COE email two days later, accepted, haven't heard anything until just now when I got an email to fill out SF86 background forms.

I think the trick it to not care either way and then the process will move forward for you. Yesterday I told a friend I didn't care and today... progress!

[jonm0303]

Received COE this morning. Appllied Feb. '08, Phone Interview 24 March 08 and Now this. At least it's forward progression. Good luck to all!

[Quick2352]

Whoo hoo, I just got my COE!

02/08- App
03/08- Phone interview
04/08- COE

Got my COE as well. Now we wait.

[thenagain]

You can add me to the COE pool. Received mine this morning.

[Up_On_Base]

I think the COE allows FAMS to do a basic BI, run through NCIC etc.

Doubt they will start knocking on doors yet, that will come after PT/Panel/Medical etc.

Wonder how many spots they are looking to fill, now we wait...

[EWUCrimj]

How do you check in AVUE to make sure your COE was accepted? I logged back into AVUE and nothing looked different.

[Lazer]

Hey guys, haven't been on here in about a year. I am still hanging on from the old process and reapplied in Feb 08. Got the COE this morning also. Did phone interview March 30. I applied in August 2005, finished process in August 2006. It appears they have streamlined this whole process since its inception in August 2005.

[firecop_22]

fl what field office did you get the COE for?

Orlando, What about you?

[robousmc]

i applied for orlando, i live in daytona so not too far..still waiting on phone interview though.

[jonm0303]

I applied out of Charlotte FO but picked several for stations of choice. Charlotte, Seattle and D.C. to name a few.

[thenagain]

Anyone from the new process filled out the BI information. I dont seem to have a way to do so through AVUE. Does anyone know what the deal is??

[jonm0303]

i applied for orlando, i live in daytona so not too far..still waiting on phone interview though.

When did you apply, if you don't mind me asking? It seems they're doing applications more or less in the order they received them.

[dtown101]

Anyone from the new process filled out the BI information. I dont seem to have a way to do so through AVUE. Does anyone know what the deal is??

the background is from OPM you have to get a email to get permission to do your new background....

[futurefed21]

It is weird b/c I think different FO do it differently. I applied in early March, had the phone interview 2.5 weeks ago. Got the COE email two days later, accepted, haven't heard anything until just now when I got an email to fill out SF86 background forms.

I think the trick it to not care either way and then the process will move forward for you. Yesterday I told a friend I didn't care and today... progress!

same here man just got the email wit the forms earlier today!:)

[Quick2352]

Anyone from the new process filled out the BI information. I dont seem to have a way to do so through AVUE. Does anyone know what the deal is??

I applied in 2005 and went through a panel interview but turned it down for another job. Avue allowed me to fill out the BI information only because it was already in the system from the previous application. All I had to do was update and certify it. I hope this and the fact that I already have a TS clearance expedites the process.

[BPD Once]

I am glad to see the COE's going out. I received my email however, AVUE has not put it on my application page so I cannot accept and move on with the process. Talked with the FO I applied with and they are not happy either because they want to get me in next week for the panel etc... Needless to say I am a bit ticked off right now because no one at AVUE seems to have a clue.

[Up_On_Base]

Got COE this morning and phone call this afternoon for panel...moving quick so far.

[Md094]

Got the COE this morning also, now we shall see what happens next.

01/08 Apply
03/08 Phone Interview
04/08 Panel
04/08 COE

[luv2spind]

Now Things Are Moving Quickly,we Hope! The Process Should Be Less Painful For People,,,,,lol

[VCSOMotor91]

I applied in 2005 and went through a panel interview but turned it down for another job. Avue allowed me to fill out the BI information only because it was already in the system from the previous application. All I had to do was update and certify it. I hope this and the fact that I already have a TS clearance expedites the process.


Same here. I just updated it and recertified it. My COE camera yesterday morning. Looks like we are all in the same wave.

[nateljen80]

Did the Panel, PFA, Logic, SAC interview, and some other test. I recieved paperwork to being my BI today so it looks as if I'm a keeper {so far}.

[jonm0303]

Just received waiver forms for the PTA this morning. Should be in the next few days?

[Statetriple]

02/08 Application
03/08 Phone interview
04/08 COE
04/08 Panel Interview


WOW Really Fast

[robousmc]

When did you apply, if you don't mind me asking? It seems they're doing applications more or less in the order they received them.

i submitted on march 3rd, but it feels like feb cuz i did the app that whole month...

[nateljen80]

02/08 Application
03/08 Phone interview
04/08 COE
04/08 Panel Interview


WOW Really Fast any advice on a Panel Interview would be appreciated...

Guys remember OPSEC dont burn yourself! Any information given out is FOUO!

[bleedirish]

It looks like the process is different for many people and field offices. I just got an email yesterday to do the BI online and haven't finished it yet. Just got a call today from Boston to come up to do Logic and Situational awareness tests, drug screen, Panel and PTA next Thursday. Timelines are different for different FO I guess, didn't hear about anyone else doing logic tests either.

[VACOP1]

I am still trying to decide if I should apply again.

[ocpd8655]

so no one from NY field office has had any movement on the new app yet?

[PriorFAST]

General knowledge:
I talked to the Avue Help Desk. Whenever you "edit" your application it retains the same status and does not go to the bottom of the ever growing pile like I thought. Good news for me I guess.

[Steve03xx]

Congratulations to all those who are moving on to the next step.

I'm very glad to see so many Americans wanting to protect our fellow Americans and those visiting our great nation. When I decided to put my application in earlier this year, I did so because I want to realize my civic duty to my country. I'm am very glad to see the dedication and perseverance I see on this board.

I'm only just beginning this process, and I hope with my own dedication and perseverance, I will experience each step of this process, as many of you have, and will some day have the honor of knowing I'm helping protect the United States of America.

Congratulations and good luck!!

[luv2spind]

Welcome Aboard Steveo3xx

[futurefed21]

so no one from NY field office has had any movement on the new app yet?

i just got my email with the BI forms to fill out & i got scheduled for fingerprinting...still no panel interview tho!!!

[noone1569]

Oh man I think this waiting game is terrible . . .

Applied - Early March
Phone Interview - 18hrs after application
Nothing yet . . .

I did change my requested station from Orlando to Cinci . .

[Tachibana]

OCPD:

No movement from NY

[Tac]

anyone else out of SoCal?

[Lazer]

The same happened to me, this is what you do. Copy the link into your browser and it you can get to it that way. Complete it and get it sent!



I am glad to see the COE's going out. I received my email however, AVUE has not put it on my application page so I cannot accept and move on with the process. Talked with the FO I applied with and they are not happy either because they want to get me in next week for the panel etc... Needless to say I am a bit ticked off right now because no one at AVUE seems to have a clue.

[Lazer]

I along with some of you have already been through this whole process before and know what to expect, the first time going through it sucked, the waiting....

[robousmc]

I applied to a variety of FO's if I have my heart set on one should I re-submit under just that one to save the risk of starting the process with one and having the one I want call me during it.

[litreofcola]

I applied to a variety of FO's if I have my heart set on one should I re-submit under just that one to save the risk of starting the process with one and having the one I want call me during it.

That is up to you, but it works pretty simple. The more places you list as willing to go, the better your chances are. If you apply and only want to go to Orlando, instead of trying to get one of about 350 spots, you might only be in the pool for one of 10 spots. They will fill what they need first. The more you limit your options, the less chance you have of getting hired. I, personally, want the job more than I am worried about where I live. I picked every place. I have places I want more, like Orlando, Denver, Miami, and a few others. I really don't want to go to LA. But, if they call me and offer LA, I am willing to make that sacrifice for the job. You just have to decide if the job is worth moving to a place you don't want to live or not, and what is best for your family. I really don't forsee them trying to get everyone where they want to be. Especially since they have a transfer program. I can gut it out in a crappy place for 4 or 5 years, then get a transfer to a better place. Just depends on how bad you want it.

[ctl1117]

I agree with litreofcola. I’m not sure that they care where you want to go. I said I wanted to go anywhere except New York and New Jersey, and guess where I have to report to on Monday, New Jersey! I have been told all along if you want the job take it wherever they send you, you can always transfer back to your first choice in a few years.

[jonm0303]

I wish I could go anywhere. My wife works and can only transfer to a few locations. If they offer elsewhere I would have to decline, and be ****ed off for years to come.

[firecop_22]

I wish I could go anywhere. My wife works and can only transfer to a few locations. If they offer elsewhere I would have to decline, and be ****ed off for years to come.


I'm in the same boat...my wife has a year left in school and we can't move till she is done. Hopefully we won't have to make that decision.

[kamkze]

I am glad my wife doesnt work right now, I just need a call no matter where.

[luv2spind]

That is up to you, but it works pretty simple. The more places you list as willing to go, the better your chances are. If you apply and only want to go to Orlando, instead of trying to get one of about 350 spots, you might only be in the pool for one of 10 spots. They will fill what they need first. The more you limit your options, the less chance you have of getting hired. I, personally, want the job more than I am worried about where I live. I picked every place. I have places I want more, like Orlando, Denver, Miami, and a few others. I really don't want to go to LA. But, if they call me and offer LA, I am willing to make that sacrifice for the job. You just have to decide if the job is worth moving to a place you don't want to live or not, and what is best for your family. I really don't forsee them trying to get everyone where they want to be. Especially since they have a transfer program. I can gut it out in a crappy place for 4 or 5 years, then get a transfer to a better place. Just depends on how bad you want it.

Here is the thing with that,,,,,i applied back in 2005 for the miami office. i was notified by my friend who was in the Washington field that he had a conversation with his SAC concerning why I havent had a call or a interview.
My friends SAC asked in what office did I apply for , he said evryoneone, His SAC said thats why, you have to pick a office that the are currently hiring more for, but you do not know that until you here were people are getting called from,,,,,,,after that conversation transpired, I went on Avue and put down for Washington,two weeks later received a call so who knows what they want or need until we are hired...........or if it even helps out,,,,this is based on my experience only who knows who else has the same,,,,,,?

[luv2spind]

Excuse my speed wring,I know i need practice,,,lol

[ocpd8655]

OCPD:

No movement from NY

no phone interview i take it

[jonm0303]

Anybody who's recently gone to do the PTA, how does the day go? Any info would be great (order of the day's events, time lines, helpful hints, etc...) I know some things aren't allowed to be said but anything you can say and are willing to pass on would be much appreciated.

[ctl1117]

Jonm0303 the PTA goes like this… Pull ups, sit ups, push ups, 1.5 mile run on treadmill or outside depending on weather. You get a short break between each event. When I went there was two Air Marshal to run the events and three of us participating. All three of us did one event and then moved on to the other. In and out in under an hour. Avue should have sent you a link to the Pre-Training Guide but with them who knows. The link is below and it also has the scores you need to get on each event.

https://www.avuedigitalservices.com/pdf/OTD_Pre-Training_Guide.pdf

[jonm0303]

Jonm0303 the PTA goes like this… Pull ups, sit ups, push ups, 1.5 mile run on treadmill or outside depending on weather. You get a short break between each event. When I went there was two Air Marshal to run the events and three of us participating. All three of us did one event and then moved on to the other. In and out in under an hour. Avue should have sent you a link to the Pre-Training Guide but with them who knows. The link is below and it also has the scores you need to get on each event.

https://www.avuedigitalservices.com/pdf/OTD_Pre-Training_Guide.pdf

I'm sorry, should have been more clear. I meant more along the lines of what happens before and or after the PTA. I was under the impression you did more than just the PTA when you were scheduled to go. I could be wrong though. I didn't know if you needed changes of clothes, shower stuff, etc... Sorry about the confusion but thanks for your response.

[ctl1117]

I filled out a form that asked a few questions about how often I worked out and a waiver that said if I died it wasn’t the governments fault. After the test we shot the shoot and then went home. They did offer to let us shower if we had to go back to work but that may have just been at this field office.

[marcusindc]

Where's the polygraph in the testing schedule? I don't see it listed in some folks timelines.

[kamkze]

Where's the polygraph in the testing schedule? I don't see it listed in some folks timelines.

Everything I have read about the process, and with talking to the FAM's I know, there is no polygraph. Someone please correct me if I am wrong but I am pretty sure I am correct on this. I know I had to do one for my current clearance but I am unsure if you have to do one for the TS.
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[PriorFAST]

Depends on the administrator. No poly for my clearance.

[jonm0303]

I have a TOP as well and no poly is required. Only if it specifies that you need a TOP SECRET w/ Poly clearance do you need to get a polygraph.

[jonm0303]

Thanks everyone for sharing info. Good luck again to all involved and stay motivated!!

[kamkze]

I have a TOP as well and no poly is required. Only if it specifies that you need a TOP SECRET w/ Poly clearance do you need to get a polygraph.

Mine might differ because mine isnt a TS its above TS so thats why I probally needed a poly. Good info thanks!

[clark809]

Hey guys Im new to the thread but have enjoyed and used the info on it. I just had my phone inverview out of the CLT office. Any ideas on how long before I here something? ALso has anyone heard when CLT is starting the Panels and PTA's?

[gonefishin]

Everything I have read about the process, and with talking to the FAM's I know, there is no polygraph. Someone please correct me if I am wrong but I am pretty sure I am correct on this. I know I had to do one for my current clearance but I am unsure if you have to do one for the TS.
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No poly....you are correct.

[Tachibana]

no phone interview i take it

Whole lotta nothing, no phone interview.

[luv2spind]

Its a long weekend hopefully some of us move a little this week.....

[Bama Boy]

I did my panel interview and drug test on Thursday. I knocked out the PAT this morning. If things continue to move fast, maybe I can knock out the medical in the next few weeks.

[clark809]

Does anyone have the PT break down and scores. I can not get the link to open that was posted on the previous page??

[Md094]

Does anyone have the PT break down and scores. I can not get the link to open that was posted on the previous page??

What is your age, and I will post it for you.

[northeast_fleo]

I agree with litreofcola. I’m not sure that they care where you want to go. I said I wanted to go anywhere except New York and New Jersey, and guess where I have to report to on Monday, New Jersey! I have been told all along if you want the job take it wherever they send you, you can always transfer back to your first choice in a few years.

Actually, it will take more than a few years to transfer. Voluntary transfers are approved in order of seniority within your field office and the FAMS. Also, not all locations are available for transfer each year. For instance, you'll never see Charlotte or Houston listed for transfer, and offices in Orlando and Tampa have a very limited number of slots open.

We have FAM's in my office with 4+ years on the job still not able to transfer. Also, if you happen to get a hard to fill office like NY, DC, LA, or SF your SAIC may make it even more difficult to transfer due to the numbers game.

Good luck.

[Statetriple]

Anybody Have Access to a phone Number for Human Resources within FAMS?

[clark809]

What is your age, and I will post it for you.

My age is 34 will be 35 in Oct. Thanks I appreciate the help!!!

[The Jackal]

For those of you waiting for NY movement, there is a little bit. I applied out of NYFO and had the phone screen on Friday morning and received a COE about an hour and a half later. My buddy also had the phone screen Friday late Friday afternoon and he is awaiting a COE.

A little light on the horizon for the NY folks.

By the way, and I think it's been stated here somewhere before, it looks (according to the interviewer) like they are trying to get seats filled for a late June-early July class.

[Tachibana]

For those of you waiting for NY movement, there is a little bit. I applied out of NYFO and had the phone screen on Friday morning and received a COE about an hour and a half later. My buddy also had the phone screen Friday late Friday afternoon and he is awaiting a COE.

A little light on the horizon for the NY folks.

By the way, and I think it's been stated here somewhere before, it looks (according to the interviewer) like they are trying to get seats filled for a late June-early July class.


Thanks, good to know its not stagnant, at least not completely.

[litreofcola]

well, finished with the old process, and moving in the new one at the same time. Had my phone interview yesterday (yes, on a saturday). Pretty sure I passed that part. Anyway, anyone have any idea when calls will start going out for eod dates? or when the hiring board is meeting?

I also have been told that they really do want some LE/millitary experience. Not a must, but a big +

[dtown101]

well, finished with the old process, and moving in the new one at the same time. Had my phone interview yesterday (yes, on a saturday). Pretty sure I passed that part. Anyway, anyone have any idea when calls will start going out for eod dates? or when the hiring board is meeting?

I also have been told that they really do want some LE/millitary experience. Not a must, but a big +

You still have to do a new panel....even if you have already had one from the previous announcement......Thats because my panel is this tuesday

[litreofcola]

yeah, I will need a panel interview under the new announmenct, but not under the old. I have been told by avue that my packet under the old is complete, that is the one I am hoping for a call on. According to my last reliable contact everything will have to be re-done for the new, even medical and PTA. I have done them recently for the old announment and they have not expired, but for new, will have to redo em. They are two totally diffrent beast. Was even told by my contact that he thought it to be stupid, but it is the way it is.

[kamkze]

yeah, I will need a panel interview under the new announmenct, but not under the old. I have been told by avue that my packet under the old is complete, that is the one I am hoping for a call on. According to my last reliable contact everything will have to be re-done for the new, even medical and PTA. I have done them recently for the old announment and they have not expired, but for new, will have to redo em. They are two totally diffrent beast. Was even told by my contact that he thought it to be stupid, but it is the way it is.

I was told the medical and PTA are good for a year so as long as it is within a year of when you did them you shouldnt have to redo them.

[clark809]

I did my phone interview Friday with the Charlotte FO got and email today from the saying that I passed and would be hearing from them soon. Is anyone else going through the Charlotte office and if so how far along are you. Im just looking for a heads up on the timeline.

[jonm0303]

I did my phone interview Friday with the Charlotte FO got and email today from the saying that I passed and would be hearing from them soon. Is anyone else going through the Charlotte office and if so how far along are you. Im just looking for a heads up on the timeline.

Right where you are...just waiting on the next step. Phone interview end of March, COE beginning of April, and standing by. Good luck.

[luv2spind]

I was told the medical and PTA are good for a year so as long as it is within a year of when you did them you shouldnt have to redo them.


Hey heres the scoop about the 1 year PTA and Medical,,,,,the Medical is good for 1 year but the PTA is only good for 90 days you have to recert after 90 days.........

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[USCG0123]

"FAM also stated that in his opinion, and he was not stating this as a fact, but he believed that the Artesia classes starting at the end of the year would more than likely be made up of candidates solely from the new hiring announcement."


Does that mean the next academy is not till the end of the year?

[luv2spind]

It's a new week so lets pray for some movement with everybody! Good Luck

[Up_On_Base]

At what point does FAMS/OPM start knocking on doors?

I am getting ready for my panel this week and if all goes well I was told I will have PT test soon. I noticed that some people were able to knock out everything in one shot, doesn't look like my FO is doing that.

Also -- If you already completed FLETC and some add on training do you have to repeat the first part of the FAMS training or only the second 7 weeks in AC? I left the feds 2 years ago so maybe the break-in-service might cause me to repeat???

[Beast]

Well I applied out of NYFO, got my phone interview late Friday afternoon, and then got my letter of contingent employment this morning. So there is some sort of light being shined our way. I think no matter where u come from you have to do the entire 14 weeks. Anyone know how indepth they go into Law and PT in the academy. I hear they run about 5 miles on some days, then I hear they do what they can? But i know it is a lot of time away from home..

[noone1569]

Anyone applying for Cinci or Orlando? Seems like I have been in limbo for about a month now. What are you thoughts on e-mail Avue to check the status . . I have a contact in the Cinci office, but he has been extremely busy lately (hopefully because they are down on manpower and need to hire more . . .).

[Rolla]

Up-On-Base- DHS will do a quick phone interview with some of your past jobs and the real TS checkout will not begin until you are hired and in the academy or finished and flying.

Beast- If you already have FLETC then you only have to go to Phase II. At Artesia you will have the basic Law classes as all other classes and you will be tested. They are easy so don't sweat it. PT is what it is and running 5 miles a day? I don't know about that but who knows things change.

On a different note just make sure you all choose wisely when it comes to this LE job and you really want it. It takes a huge toll on you, make sure you really want it, don't put all your eggs in one basket.

[Quick2352]

"On a different note just make sure you all choose wisely when it comes to this LE job and you really want it. It takes a huge toll on you, make sure you really want it, don't put all your eggs in one basket"

Is there a service agreement? For example, after working for with FAMS for a year, I get a call from ICE. Am I obligated to stay with FAMS for a certain amount of time?

[Up_On_Base]

[QUOTE=Rolla;1189448]Up-On-Base- DHS will do a quick phone interview with some of your past jobs and the real TS checkout will not begin until you are hired and in the academy or finished and flying.
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They will hire you, train you, and sometimes let you fly before completing the BI?

Or are you just talking about the TS? I know some guys in my UD class didn't get the TS for a few months, mine came 2 weeks before graduation.

[Bearcat357]

They will hire you, train you, and sometimes let you fly before completing the BI?

They did that a couple of years ago....know that for a fact with some of my buddies.....

They were doing flights and still hadn't had BI's completed.....

[luv2spind]

They did that a couple of years ago....know that for a fact with some of my buddies.....

They were doing flights and still hadn't had BI's completed.....


I heard that through a buddy of mine who is a FAM right now plus a friend who was just hired and they havent started his yet.

[Bearcat357]

I heard that through a buddy of mine who is a FAM right now plus a friend who was just hired and they havent started his yet.

I know with my buddies....they were flying when folks started getting calls....as I got one or two....


So....who knows....as I am sure they are backed up....

[luv2spind]

lol, who knows what is going on,,,,,,thats what my friend said........

[clark809]

I just talked to the guy setting up the panels and PTA for the Charlotte FO. No time line yet. He advised that he was working on it now but was not able to give me a projected date. He was very helpful and told me what he could. Its just not alot out there now. His advised to hang on and wait for an emial they would be in contact!!

[GoldBadge]

They will hire you, train you, and sometimes let you fly before completing the BI?

Boy, that backfired on them big time in their post 9/11 hiring frenzy. They picked up some guys who were FLEOs, but had checkered pasts and/or were under administrative or even criminal investigation.

I can't see that ever happening again.

[Up_On_Base]

Had panel today, it was awesome and the FAMS were very professional.

I noticed many were also former USSS so that bond helped my cause, have PT test soon and some other testing.

Was not given a timeline, it's the FEDS so nothing makes sense. Alot has to do w/ Avue from what I was told, I am sure it will be a cluster.

[jimjimjim]

I had PT on Monday and did excellent in pullups/pushups/situps but did ****ty in the run. :(

[Rolla]

Yes they will hire, train, and let you fly until your BG and TS come through because it can take awhile, and yes they are backed up.

No agreement is signed and you can quit and move on whenever you want. Im just saying choose but choose wisely

[scout242]

Hello all - I'm a newbie here and thought I'd post my timeline:

Feb 08: Applied, Phone Interview
Mar 08: COE, SF86e
Apr 08: BI started (SF86 + FP scan)

Thought it was odd that my BI was started before a panel interview...

Anyhow, good luck to all.

[bombguy]

I'm new here as well. I'll post my timeline as I am currently done now. I may apply under the new opening but I haven't yet. Without further adieu.....


Jan 07 Sent in App
Jan 07 Received COE
May 07 Panel Interview
Feb 08 Medical Clearance
Mar 08 Fingerprint scan
Apr 08 PT Test
Apr 08 BI/transcripts submitted

Just waiting on a phone call now!! Anyone know what the typical starting pay is like? Do they take into account what you are currently making?

[Rolla]

bomguy- are you are current Fed Leo?

[Up_On_Base]

Hello all - I'm a newbie here and thought I'd post my timeline:

Feb 08: Applied, Phone Interview
Mar 08: COE, SF86e
Apr 08: BI started (SF86 + FP scan)

Thought it was odd that my BI was started before a panel interview...

Anyhow, good luck to all.

When you say BI started, you talking NCIC or door knocking?

I never got any info regarding SF86 or FP scan...strange process, no one is the same.

[scout242]

Up On Base:

I received an email with a link to fill out an SF86 online, plus instructions on faxing signature pages in and setting up a fingerprint scan by TSA.

The process is definitely strange.

[luv2spind]

I'm new here as well. I'll post my timeline as I am currently done now. I may apply under the new opening but I haven't yet. Without further adieu.....


Jan 07 Sent in App
Jan 07 Received COE
May 07 Panel Interview
Feb 08 Medical Clearance
Mar 08 Fingerprint scan
Apr 08 PT Test
Apr 08 BI/transcripts submitted

Just waiting on a phone call now!! Anyone know what the typical starting pay is like? Do they take into account what you are currently making?

Hello all - I'm a newbie here and thought I'd post my timeline:

Feb 08: Applied, Phone Interview
Mar 08: COE, SF86e
Apr 08: BI started (SF86 + FP scan)

Thought it was odd that my BI was started before a panel interview...

Anyhow, good luck to all.




WELCOME TO BOTH OF YOU SOME HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE LIKE MYSELF,,,WISH YOU GOOD LUCK IN THE PROCESS AND HOPEFULLY IT MOVES QUICKLY,,,,,,,,,bombguy ILL ADD YOU TO THE GROUP OF HOPEFULLY FLETC CLASS SOON.

[Drew23]

I finally finished the entire process today with the PT and drug screen. The FAMS at the office I tested out of were not able to give a definite timeline of when things will start moving as far as EOD's go.

[luv2spind]

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[Up_On_Base]

Up On Base:

I received an email with a link to fill out an SF86 online, plus instructions on faxing signature pages in and setting up a fingerprint scan by TSA.

The process is definitely strange.

I sent in a bunch of faxed docs for the old process, maybe they still have those on file.