Air Marshal Job Open !

[jrnwaarmy]

dnehack is right. The 65 hires are only for this fiscal year. Everyone needs to keep that in mind if they don't get picked up for these two academies this fiscal year they could be hired for next fiscal year starting Oct 1. They are closing the announcement because they have a massive pool now.

Hello everyone!just wondering, out of 65 is this for phase 1 or phase2? I understand that we have applicants that is prior feds or leo w/c means that they don't need to go phase I ...:confused: Any thoughts from our senior FAMS in the forum?thanks..oh happy fathers day Big daddy's!!!!

[Xtreme]

Hello everyone!just wondering, out of 65 is this for phase 1 or phase2? I understand that we have applicants that is prior feds or leo w/c means that they don't need to go phase I ...:confused: Any thoughts from our senior FAMS in the forum?thanks..oh happy fathers day Big daddy's!!!!

leo's don't skip phase 1. fed leo's do. i'm thinking the 65 is total hires this fiscal year. and i'm praying i'm one of 'em.

edited to add: what's the theory on the june 29th letter? i haven't recieved it... any ideas?

[MassVet]

1. dnehack
2. Tower
3. Knightrider26
4. ditta23
5. xtreme, who by the way, hasn't recieved an email about 6/29???
6. Massvet, done since oct 06.

[magic001aj]

1. dnehack
2. Tower
3. Knightrider26
4. ditta23
5. xtreme, who by the way, hasn't recieved an email about 6/29???
6. Massvet, done since oct 06.[/QUOTE]
7. Magic001aj, done since dec 06.

[dtown101]

1. dnehack
2. Tower
3. Knightrider26
4. ditta23
5. xtreme, who by the way, hasn't recieved an email about 6/29???
6. Massvet, done since oct 06.
7. Magic001aj, done since dec 06.[/QUOTE]
8. dtown101-did not get email -done since aug 06

[dnehack]

1. dnehack
2. Tower
3. Knightrider26
4. ditta23
5. xtreme, who by the way, hasn't recieved an email about 6/29???
6. Massvet, done since oct 06
7. Magic001aj, done since dec 06.
8. dtown101-did not get email -done since aug 06

[danzpolice]

Well I guess I can get added to that list too now....
1. dnehack
2. Tower
3. Knightrider26
4. ditta23
5. xtreme, who by the way, hasn't recieved an email about 6/29???
6. Massvet, done since oct 06
7. Magic001aj, done since dec 06.
8. dtown101-did not get email -done since aug 06
9. danzpolice

[datfas]

1. dnehack
2. Tower
3. Knightrider26
4. ditta23
5. datfas
6. xtreme, who by the way, hasn't recieved an email about 6/29???
7. Massvet, done since oct 06
8. Magic001aj, done since dec 06.
9. dtown101-did not get email -done since aug 06
10. danzpolice

Had to add my name back to the list someone omitted me from posting #2500! Thanks guys, all ready trying to knock me out of the 65 spots! :)

[INTHEAIRCOP]

By the way...did anyone see this video of the Secret Service agent pouring the water all over the floor at DCA. Check out the longer of the two videos and check out the incident report. Fun stuff!

http://www.tsa.gov/approach/mythbusters/index.shtm



I hope she learned that the next time she flys she should bring her gun with her so then she would not have to even deal with the screeners. I always fly with my weapon while on vacation and then I do not have to deal with TSA. Just a tip from me.

[Bearcat357]

I hope she learned that the next time she flys she should bring her gun with her so then she would not have to even deal with the screeners. I always fly with my weapon while on vacation and then I do not have to deal with TSA. Just a tip from me.

Fox is saying she is a Former USSS......hence the reason she had to go through screening.....

[Bubba13]

Bubba done since 07/06 and no e-mail????????

[copper02]

Well I guess I can get added to that list too now....
1. dnehack
2. Tower
3. Knightrider26
4. ditta23
5. xtreme, who by the way, hasn't recieved an email about 6/29???
6. Massvet, done since oct 06
7. Magic001aj, done since dec 06.
8. dtown101-did not get email -done since aug 06
9. danzpolice
10. copper 02 since June 2007

[dnehack]

1. dnehack
2. Tower
3. Knightrider26
4. ditta23
5. datfas
6. xtreme, who by the way, hasn't recieved an email about 6/29???
7. Massvet, done since oct 06
8. Magic001aj, done since dec 06.
9. dtown101-did not get email -done since aug 06
10. danzpolice
11. Bubba13
12. Copper02

[jrnwaarmy]

1. dnehack
2. Tower
3. Knightrider26
4. ditta23
5. datfas
6. xtreme, who by the way, hasn't recieved an email about 6/29???
7. Massvet, done since oct 06
8. Magic001aj, done since dec 06.
9. dtown101-did not get email -done since aug 06
10. danzpolice
11. Bubba13
12. Copper02

done since aug 06 no e-mail....is that good or bad:confused:

[froggy]

I have finished everything and have not recieved the email everyone is talking about. Is that a good thing?

[dtown101]

done since aug 06 no e-mail....is that good or bad:confused:



from the list -who is a fed leo?????

[Xtreme]

this is my email to avue a few days ago...


to whom it may concern:
recently, some people have reported recieving an email Re: Vacancy Announcements FAMS-FLD-05-0002 and FAMS-FLD-06-0031, Federal Air Marshal, SV-1801-G/H/I.
apparently this vacancy is closing june 29, 2007 and these people were urged to update their information.
i was contacted on june 8, 2007 by FAMS and was asked to fax my college transcripts so i presume my process is complete.
can someone from avue confirm this or veryify that i should or shouldnt' be recieving this email?
thank you!



this is what i got from avue when i inquired about the email:

Mike:

If you did not receive the email, don't worry about it. You can not compare yourself to other applicants. If you were asked to submit transcripts, then that is good. Your application is still being assessed and will continue to be so after the vacancy closing date.

Please stand by for any further instructions from the FAMS.



FAMS Help Desk
Federal Air Marshal Service
c/o Avue Technologies Corporation


so i don't think it's a big deal. i have yet to piece together a common thread among those who've recieved it and those who haven't though.

[knightrider26]

Thanks for sharing that with us Xtreme. I have not recieved any emails either about 6/29 and I was wondering why also. But I'm pretty confident that sending your transcripts may be the final step. Has anyone else on here been asked to fax transcripts in?

[kw111]

1. dnehack
2. Tower
3. Knightrider26
4. ditta23
5. datfas
6. xtreme, who by the way, hasn't recieved an email about 6/29???
7. Massvet, done since oct 06
8. Magic001aj, done since dec 06.
9. dtown101-did not get email -done since aug 06
10. danzpolice
11. Bubba13
12. Copper02

KW111- done since 10/06

[Applicant077]

Isn't really a big deal and I am not sure if it means you will or won't be hired. It just states that the announcement is closing, they will no longer be accepting applications, and make sure your contact info is up to date. I don't think that there is anything else to infer from it but if you think otherwise then look for yourself.

Dear Applicant:

This letter is to inform you that the two vacancy announcements for the Federal Air Marshal position, SV-1801-G/H/I (FAMS-FLD-05-0002 and FAMS-FLD-06-0031) will close on June 29, 2007. Once closed, the Federal Air Marshal Service (FAMS) will no longer accept new applications under these vacancy announcements. Thousands of applications have been received for this position and the applicant pool is sufficient to meet our hiring needs for the near term.

After these announcements are closed, further assessment of applicants may be conducted if the need arises. You are strongly encouraged to update your application with current contact and other relevant information before the announcements close on June 29, 2007 so that we can contact you if necessary. You will not be able to update your application after the announcements close.

The FAMS anticipates that future announcements for the Federal Air Marshal position will open as vacancies occur, and you may be contacted in that case. You can access information about other career opportunities with the FAMS by logging into our website at http://www.avue-------
. If you need technical assistance, please contact the Avue Help Desk at -----

We appreciate your continued interest in employment with the FAMS

[froggy]

1. dnehack
2. Tower
3. Knightrider26
4. ditta23
5. datfas
6. xtreme, who by the way, hasn't recieved an email about 6/29???
7. Massvet, done since oct 06
8. Magic001aj, done since dec 06.
9. dtown101-did not get email -done since aug 06
10. danzpolice
11. Bubba13
12. Copper02

Go ahead and add the Froggy to that list ladies and gents.

[dnehack]

Originally Posted by dnehack
1. dnehack
2. Tower
3. Knightrider26
4. ditta23
5. datfas
6. xtreme
7. Massvet
8. Magic001aj
9. dtown101
10. danzpolice
11. Bubba13
12. Copper02
13. KW111
14. froggy

[SD5326]

That's a pretty good list! I hope you guys get the call whenever they go out!........seriously.

[dnehack]

Originally Posted by dnehack

1. dnehack
2. Tower
3. Knightrider26
4. ditta23
5. datfas
6. xtreme
7. Massvet
8. Magic001aj
9. dtown101
10. danzpolice
11. Bubba13 (Fed LEO)
12. Copper02
13. KW111
14. froggy
15. theonlysane1
16. squirrelly426
17. Odin 6711
18. Speare12
19. xCGx
20. slwog
21. merc1987
22. supersonic527

Class one is almost getting full!!
:D

[Bubba13]

Dtown101 I am fed leo

[manstown]

Okay. Just a bit of new information for you guys. While in the office this week, I ran into a guy that was hired with me last year, September 06. He was hurt while in Artesia and sent back to the office to wait for a new class to go through and start up with them. Just the other day, he was told that the next class going through was October. I asked why he wasn't going through sooner, and he said that is the next class. They originally told him that he'd go through in August or September, but that class now was pushed back. He's been on for almost a year and has been at the office waiting to go through.

[dtown101]

Dtown101 I am fed leo

bubba i am also a fed leo.....anyone else on the list who has completed the process lets make a list of fed leo also

1. dtown101
2. bubba13

[dtown101]

Okay. Just a bit of new information for you guys. While in the office this week, I ran into a guy that was hired with me last year, September 06. He was hurt while in Artesia and sent back to the office to wait for a new class to go through and start up with them. Just the other day, he was told that the next class going through was October. I asked why he wasn't going through sooner, and he said that is the next class. They originally told him that he'd go through in August or September, but that class now was pushed back. He's been on for almost a year and has been at the office waiting to go through.

So the fams are not going to hire for fiscal yr 2007??? I cant imagine them not hire anyone at all. With all the attrition ive been hearing...yall are short in every field office....

Do you happen to know what was appropriated to the travel and training budget for 2007 budget? because the 2008 budget for travel and training is around 75 million and the whole budget for 2008 actually 7 million dollars more than 2007 budget. this is according to US House or Reps-2008 appropriations bill....which passed and now we are waiting for the Senate to do thier bill then go to conference on it.

[manstown]

The hiring will probably be done by the end of FY 07. That I can't say for sure. But that is how it would work. Once they see what money they have left over they may start to hire before the end of the FY. I can't say for sure if that is the last clss for the year, but from what I was told from this guy, it will be the next. I highly doubt that they would throw 65 bodies in ne clas. Usual size is between 24-48.
We are at a good number of people. Where we are and where they want us to be is not soomething I ask. Transfers were just handed out and with some that left some are coming in. From what I hear though, we're not hurting as bad as some may think. Since this new Director came around alot of good has been done. Some of the older guys, and by that I mean those that have been around for 5 years or so, would say that it is better then when they came on. And because of that some of these guys are a little inclined to stay a little longer then they did with the old director. There is still issues with the supervisor positions and the people that are getting picked for them. But some of the FAMs that came on a few years ago are getting a few of the spots and they know what issues the flying FAMs are facing and help with what they can. Which, from what I hear, is better then when they came on. INTHEAIR, could speak better from experience. Again, that's just me talking to the older guys.

[dnehack]

As long as it is before November, that is all I care about. Just let me sign before November! I dont care when the class is.

[exeproagent]

From what I hear a lot of the federal agencies have hired for this fiscal yr, however they wait untill the end of the yr to see if they have any remaining money left over for more hire. i know this to be true for DSS. I was called to report to DC in july for special agent testing. DSS already hired all the agents for 2007 and they were told from up top to hire more so my name was picked for the end of the yr hiring. October class 07.

So I could see how htis would be true for FAMS. Also to answer a question. I dont think having a transcript faxed means being called means your done. I was told to have a transcript faxed back in the beginning of my process to verifiy i had a four yr degree. however i still have to complete the medical and pta. I have the medical documents but have not recieved the call where and what time to test.

my timeline

may 06 --app/coe
june06 --fingerprints
august 06 -- panel/drug test
february 06 --fam called me to finalize background/transcripts
march/april 06-- mental health certification
april 06 --recieved medical dococuments but called avue and they said i will be notified when to test "you'll get a call"

so all i have left id the medical pta and then to wait .........

[SD5326]

With all the attrition ive been hearing...yall are short in every field office....



Don't believe everything you hear. I posted earlier saying that they have no idea when they are going to hire.

[DWCgrad]

Hey guys add DWCgrad to the list. Done since 10/06

[UMDBulldog]

Hey can we start a list of people who are in the dark and have no clue when/where/how/why? Haha

I am proud to take spot number 1.

1. UMDbulldog

[dnehack]

Originally Posted by dnehack

1. dnehack
2. Tower
3. Knightrider26
4. ditta23
5. datfas
6. xtreme
7. Massvet
8. Magic001aj
9. dtown101
10. danzpolice
11. Bubba13 (Fed LEO)
12. Copper02
13. KW111
14. froggy
15. theonlysane1
16. squirrelly426
17. Odin 6711
18. Speare12
19. xCGx
20. slwog
21. merc1987
22. supersonic527
23. DWCgrad
24. Dizzy

Class one is almost getting full!!
:D

[Xtreme]

Originally Posted by dnehack

1. dnehack
2. Tower
3. Knightrider26
4. ditta23
5. datfas
6. xtreme
7. Massvet
8. Magic001aj
9. dtown101
10. danzpolice
11. Bubba13 (Fed LEO)
12. Copper02
13. KW111
14. froggy
15. theonlysane1
16. squirrelly426
17. Odin 6711
18. Speare12
19. xCGx
20. slwog
21. merc1987
22. supersonic527
23. DWCgrad
24. Dizzy

Class one is almost getting full!!
:D


funny...

[dnehack]

:D Xtreme,

What else do we have to do why we wait??

[HDbluelite]

Just to keep it going.........Done since 10/06!

[thermop6]

double post

[thermop6]

Originally Posted by dnehack
1. dnehack
2. Tower
3. Knightrider26
4. ditta23
5. datfas
6. xtreme
7. Massvet
8. Magic001aj
9. dtown101
10. danzpolice
11. Bubba13 (Fed LEO)
12. Copper02
13. KW111
14. froggy
15. theonlysane1
16. squirrelly426
17. Odin 6711
18. Speare12
19. xCGx
20. slwog
21. merc1987
22. supersonic527
23. DWCgrad
24. Dizzy
25. thermop6


done

[dnehack]

Originally Posted by dnehack

1. dnehack
2. Tower
3. Knightrider26
4. ditta23
5. datfas
6. xtreme
7. Massvet
8. Magic001aj
9. dtown101
10. danzpolice
11. Bubba13 (Fed LEO)
12. Copper02
13. KW111
14. froggy
15. theonlysane1
16. squirrelly426
17. Odin 6711
18. Speare12
19. xCGx
20. slwog
21. merc1987
22. supersonic527
23. DWCgrad
24. Dizzy
25. HdBluelite
26. Thermop6

Class one is almost getting full!!

[DPD2434]

Add me to the list have been finished with everything since May 07. Still waiting...

[dnehack]

Originally Posted by dnehack

1. dnehack (Received Mystry June 29th Email)
2. Tower
3. Knightrider26
4. ditta23
5. datfas
6. xtreme
7. Massvet
8. Magic001aj
9. dtown101
10. danzpolice
11. Bubba13 (Fed LEO)
12. Copper02
13. KW111
14. froggy
15. theonlysane1
16. squirrelly426
17. Odin 6711
18. Speare12
19. xCGx
20. slwog
21. merc1987
22. supersonic527
23. DWCgrad
24. Dizzy
25. HdBluelite
26. Thermop6
27. DPD2434

Class one is almost getting full!!

[dtown101]

Originally Posted by dnehack

1. dnehack (Received Mystry June 29th Email)
2. Tower
3. Knightrider26
4. ditta23
5. datfas
6. xtreme
7. Massvet
8. Magic001aj
9. dtown101 (fed leo)
10. danzpolice
11. Bubba13 (Fed LEO)
12. Copper02
13. KW111
14. froggy
15. theonlysane1
16. squirrelly426
17. Odin 6711
18. Speare12
19. xCGx
20. slwog
21. merc1987
22. supersonic527
23. DWCgrad
24. Dizzy
25. HdBluelite
26. Thermop6
27. DPD2434

Class one is almost getting full!!

[danzpolice]

Got a phone call from D.C yesterday from a FAM requesting my transcripts ~ hopefully the process is moving for all of you too:D

[Xtreme]

Got a phone call from D.C yesterday from a FAM requesting my transcripts ~ hopefully the process is moving for all of you too:D

so ya slipped into the list prematurely, huh? :)

the above list should only be for people who are 100% done.... that includes pta, transcripts, etc. the only thing you should be waiting for is a phone call sayin' yer hired or a letter sayin' ya aint.

so who on the list has not been asked for transcripts? curious...

[danzpolice]

yea ~ I was being sneaky :) I so knew they were gonna ask for 'em...lol

[dnehack]

transcripts are not part of the process actually!! I have been finished since September 06 when I received the first call and was never asked for transcripts!!

[SD5326]

so ya slipped into the list prematurely, huh? :)

the above list should only be for people who are 100% done.... that includes pta, transcripts, etc. the only thing you should be waiting for is a phone call sayin' yer hired or a letter sayin' ya aint.

so who on the list has not been asked for transcripts? curious...

I know guys and gals with MBA's who never got a call for transcripts. That's complete RUMINT.......... saying that they will call asking for transcripts before you get hired, maybe they only ask for transcripts if your app is marginal. Did you ever think of that?

[manstown]

I know guys and gals with MBA's who never got a call for transcripts. That's complete RUMINT.......... saying that they will call asking for transcripts before you get hired, maybe they only ask for transcripts if your app is marginal. Did you ever think of that?

What are you talking about? They call everyone for transcripts before they hire you to determine your pay. And by transcripts it's not just for college transcripts. If it's based on past experiences, or if you've already been to FLETC, they need to see the proof. When people say transcripts, they are referring to more then just college transcripts. It has nothing to do with an app being marginal. It is used to determine pay and grade.

[dnehack]

I cant speak for everyone but as far as my process I have never been called for transcripts. I guess I am not finished with the process so someone please take my name off the list!! :rolleyes:

[SD5326]

If it's based on past experiences, or if you've already been to FLETC, they need to see the proof. When people say transcripts, they are referring to more then just college transcripts.

If that's the case then I shouldn't have been hired. I'm not sure about FLETC though.

[Xtreme]

I know guys and gals with MBA's who never got a call for transcripts. That's complete RUMINT.......... saying that they will call asking for transcripts before you get hired, maybe they only ask for transcripts if your app is marginal. Did you ever think of that?

are you getting a bit testy with me SD5326? cool your jets there muchacho!

and i doubt they only ask for transcripts from folks with marginal apps. i think i have a pretty solid app...

can anyone shed some light on whether or not everyone gets a transcripts call or not?

and that there's a pretty fancy abbreviation ya got there... RUMINT. :eek:

[Xtreme]

ok maybe "transcripts" is a generic term for "whatever else we need but aint got from you yet"...

when i spoke of my transcripts, i was referring to college transcripts. as far as me having a marginal app.... i'm 5 years military + 5 years as a deputy sheriff / detective + 2 to 3 years of college... no bachelors yet though, which is my weak link.

so maybe my app is marginal. ? i didn't think it was.... :confused:

in either case, lets play nice. :cool:

[dnehack]

Xtreme, just face it you have a marginal app and you can do nothing about it..... :eek:




I'm just kidding man. All joking aside when the heck are we going to get called?? I think the end of July or sometime in August. Start that physical fitness back up.

[Xtreme]

Xtreme, just face it you have a marginal app and you can do nothing about it..... :eek:

I'm just kidding man. All joking aside when the heck are we going to get called?? I think the end of July or sometime in August. Start that physical fitness back up.

yeah no $hit... i haven't been in the gym in 2 weeks. startin' back up tomorow... <sigh>

[manstown]

If that's the case then I shouldn't have been hired. I'm not sure about FLETC though.

Maybe you slipped through the cracks then. But when I was hired, I had to prove that I'd been to FLETC already so I didn't have to go to Artesia. And the way to prove that was faxing my FLETC transcripts. On top of that to get my pay matched I had to fax a transcript from my,then, current job along with a SF-50. And this seemed to be par for everyone that I know that was hired. May be different for everyone, but when determining where they'll bring you in, as far as where on the pay scale, some things need to be taken into consideration. And for the most part it's a college transcript, paperwork from a previous job and so on.

[dnehack]

Manstown,

I see where you are coming from. I submitted SF-50, college transcripts etc... all when I submitted my application. That may be why they never asked for it. I submitted everything I had. I would rather submit too much than not enough.

[manstown]

For the most part, everyone that has those forms turns them in at the beginning as weel as later on down the road. Two differents offices need them. HQ calls fr them and HR calls for them before the offer. Why we had to send them twice.....beyond me.

[Xtreme]

For the most part, everyone that has those forms turns them in at the beginning as weel as later on down the road. Two differents offices need them. HQ calls fr them and HR calls for them before the offer. Why we had to send them twice.....beyond me.

i hope this is the case... that HR wanted them before the offer!!! :)

i kinda figured everyone on our list had sent in transcripts at some point in time. i shouldn't have assumed though.

6-29 is fast approaching...

- mike

[SD5326]

OK, I'll end this right here and now. No I'm not being testy with you XTREME (and if you've think my jets need cooling, hell, they're not even fired up yet).

so ya slipped into the list prematurely, huh?
the above list should only be for people who are 100% done.... that includes pta, transcripts, etc. the only thing you should be waiting for is a phone call sayin' yer hired or a letter sayin' ya aint.
so who on the list has not been asked for transcripts? curious...



You've got a pretty good background, I hope you get hired. I am just not an advocate of rumors there's plenty of them already in the world. If transcripts is a general term (ie: school, FLETC, previous work etc) then that is completely not true. If it is geared only towards FLETC or other fed work.... fine I never went to FLETC prior to being hired on so I wouldn't know anything about that. I do know though that people with official transcripts from regionally accredited colleges and from other LE agencies other than the feds never had their transcripts requested before they were hired.

Yeah you got me, I slipped through the cracks, I'm a complete POS. Thanks for looking out though. You were blessed by not having to go to Artesia though.

Be Safe.
SD

[Xtreme]

ok i'm wondering: who here meets both of these criteria:

1. been called to send transcripts (at any point in time - not only recently)
AND
2. got the email about june 29th

i hypothesize that if you've been contacted to send transcripts there's no need to send you that letter.

and i'm bored.

logic would dictate (which is probably my mistake) that folks that sent transcripts shouldn't get the email cuz there isnt' anything to update. which leaves 4 other categories. ya got some folks that are still in the process and got the email and some who didn't and ya got folks that finished pta and got the email and some who didn't.

is this making sense or am i still drunk? jk -- seriously though... it makes sense in my brain. :D

[dnehack]

Ok here is the info from FAMS HR about the email that went out from AVUE. I was just told that everyone that applied under the two announcements were suppose to receive the June 29th email. If they did not receive the email it was an Avue glitch. It doesnt matter if you are finished or just started the process. As with the people that are finished you know Avue is not the best with doing everything right! Hope this puts to rest all the BS flying around. Oh and just one more little tid bit. I was told if you did not submit everything when you submitted your application or there were some questions reference your application they requested transcripts and other documents.

[knightrider26]

Xtreme,
I too got the call from a 703 number to fax my College Transcripts in. I believe I was called around May 25. When I spoke to the guy requesting the transcripts, he told me that my application is complete and he just wanted to submit it to the hiring panal. I was never told at the begining of the process to submit it though. I also did not recieve the famous email.

[magic001aj]

im starting to think that you will get the call for transcripts if they are MISSING. I got a call 2 days after my PTA ( December 06) from a 703. A guy was asking for my military documents from when i got out of the military. Then he told me that my application was complete and that it would be forwarded to the panel.. hope this helps.

[dnehack]

Yep I agree 100%

[marinecop2]

Anyone else in this situation....

I spoke with HR today to find out why I have not been contacted for my PTA after completing my medical over 6 weeks ago. They told me to contact Avue and they would know. I just about busted out laughing...I kept as calm as possible and said that Avue had no answers either. All they told me was good luck and the FO should know your completed. They have known though for weeks already. I guess I have done all I can and just let the cards fall where they may. Oh well, good luck to everyone left in the race to the end.

[SD5326]

Anyone else in this situation....

I spoke with HR today to find out why I have not been contacted for my PTA after completing my medical over 6 weeks ago. They told me to contact Avue and they would know. I just about busted out laughing...I kept as calm as possible and said that Avue had no answers either. All they told me was good luck and the FO should know your completed. They have known though for weeks already. I guess I have done all I can and just let the cards fall where they may. Oh well, good luck to everyone left in the race to the end.

Marinecop2,

PM inbound.

[Xtreme]

OK, I'll end this right here and now. No I'm not being testy with you XTREME (and if you've think my jets need cooling, hell, they're not even fired up yet).

well get'er done!

You've got a pretty good background, I hope you get hired. I am just not an advocate of rumors there's plenty of them already in the world. If transcripts is a general term (ie: school, FLETC, previous work etc) then that is completely not true. If it is geared only towards FLETC or other fed work.... fine I never went to FLETC prior to being hired on so I wouldn't know anything about that. I do know though that people with official transcripts from regionally accredited colleges and from other LE agencies other than the feds never had their transcripts requested before they were hired.

i'm still not completely clear who you work for or how you got in without going through FLETCH. and i wasn't spreading a rumor: i was merely stating what i thought was SOP. interview... medical... pta... call for transcripts... hired/not hired. wasn't like i was being malicious and had engaged in a disinformation campaign against the FAM forum! lol

Yeah you got me, I slipped through the cracks, I'm a complete POS. Thanks for looking out though. You were blessed by not having to go to Artesia though.

again, not sure how you slipped through the cracks, but rest assured the proper authorities will be notified! seriously though: what do you mean about not going to artesia? are you refering to the POSSIBILITY that the next class will be held at GLYNCO? cuz it hasn't happened yet... and i wouldn't want to be party to RUMINT... :eek: :D

take it easy SD...

[SD5326]

Not sure about Glynco. That's fine, all you had to say was you thought that was SOP, not some flagrant instigating statement like telling me to "cool my jets" brother, I won't even get into the take it easy comment. I was also probably wrong by saying that maybe you had the marginal app as well and truly apologize for that comment. I was telling Manstown how he should be blessed, as he was prior Fed, and in turn, did not have to go to Artesia.


I never went to FLETC prior to being hired on so I wouldn't know anything about that.

I did go through FLETC....... in Artesia. If you read closely, I said I did not go through FLETC prior to being hired on (with the FAMS) so I wouldn't know anything about that type of transcript. Trust me man, I'm on your side. I think you may be misinterpreting my attitude on this whole thing. I know you weren't being malicious or starting your own little rumor mill but, any little wrong word can have a drastic snowball effect.

Let's bury the hatchet.

[Xtreme]

Not sure about Glynco. That's fine, all you had to say was you thought that was SOP, not some flagrant instigating statement like telling me to "cool my jets" brother, I won't even get into the take it easy comment.

Let's bury the hatchet.

the "take it easy" was just a sign off... you know, see ya later alligator... in a while crocodille... that sorta thing.

consider it burried...

[SD5326]

the "take it easy" was just a sign off... you know, see ya later alligator... in a while crocodille... that sorta thing.

consider it burried...


My bad. Done and good luck.

[manstown]

Not sure if you were asking me about not going to FLETC. But if you were, I didn't have to go to Artesia because the job I had prior to this did half its training at GLYNCO. Since I had finished that training I only had to go to PHASE II for FAMS. Those coming from other FED LE jobs didn't have to go to Artesia. As long as they finished another course of training within a few years of getting hired on with FAMS. But the training had to be FLETC training.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

The Federal Air Marshal Service's personnel and pay system is in disarray and way out of line with comparable law enforcement professionals in the federal government. As the prevailing General Schedule pay scale grows annually, the Transportation Security Administration Pay Bands sit stagnant. This disparity in pay systems is a problem which is actually designed to grow as long as it is ignored and therefore requires urgent attention.


Originally part of the Federal Aviation Administration, the FAMS adopted the FAA Pay Band structure in 2001-2002. After splitting from the FAA they remained locked in the old band limits. The FAA's own bands have been adjusted multiple times for inflation and locality differential since 2002. With the FAMS now under the TSA, they are still stuck utilizing the outdated FAA Pay Bands from five years ago. All signs indicate that this practice will continue and the disparity will grow exponentially.


In that same five years, General Schedule employees have seen their pay scale increase by nearly 19%. This rise extends to all employees, veterans as well as new hires. Air Marshals remain grounded; left on average 13%-16% behind their fellow law enforcement officers across the federal government.


The General Schedule adjusts annually in response to cost of living and base salary increases. The lowest and highest points of each grade move in accordance with these changes. The TSA Pay Bands are locked, preventing employees from growing their salaries like their fellow agents under the General Schedule as well as compounding the disparity by failing to incorporate longevity increases received by the majority of all federal government employees. Unless an employee transfers into the TSA Pay Banding system from one of the higher GS grades (GS-13 or GS-14), there is little chance for an agent to actually reach the top of a Pay Band. With no built-in (step) increases, the average agent will never attain the maximum level of his or her Pay Band.


Should such a rare employee find herself at the top of a Pay Band, then no future raises in base pay will ever be allowed. Any meritorious awards or congressionally mandated pay increases will be delivered in a lump sum to prevent the employee's base salary from rising past the top of the band. That means that no future raises are even possible and that an employee will remain locked in the same salary for the remainder of her tenure in that position and grade.


"On December 21, 2006, the President signed an executive order authorizing the annual civilian federal pay increase. As a result, most employees covered by TSA's Core Compensation System will receive a 1.7 percent Comparability Equivalent Increase (CEI). However, since TSA cannot pay an annual rate of pay in excess of the maximum of a pay band, any CEI increase that cannot be paid as an increase to base pay due to a pay band maximum must be made as a one-time lump sum payment." - Richard A. Whitford, TSA Assistant Administrator for Human Capital.


Air Marshals reach their journeyman level after 12-24 months on the job. And that is pretty much where they will remain for the next thirty years under the current TSA Pay Band system. With no regular pay increases and rare promotion opportunities the greater portion of our personnel are paid at the current equivalent of a GS-11 to GS-12; far below the promised GS-13 level which now sits at $67,000 - $87,000 annually, not including locality adjustments.


The same depressing fixed salary situation does not apply to agents covered by the General Schedule. Those fortunate law enforcement officers are provided with progressive increases which are established at varying intervals to sustain growth throughout an employee's career.


A new employee beginning his career in the TSA Pay Band will find himself $15,000 - $20,000 behind peers under the General Schedule who began at the same base pay after only ten years. After twenty years of service this gap widens to $25,000 - $30,000 annually. Take into consideration that these numbers assume that both employees remain in the same grade or band with NO promotions of any kind and receive only an average of two to three percent cost of living increase per year.


Following this projection, an employee who achieves a pay band journeyman level equivalent to a GS-12 early in her career may actually find herself to be on par with a GS-9 at the end of her career when it is time to calculate pension benefits!


Pay Banders are struck immediately in a financial sense, but the situation greatly worsens over time. Individual Thrift Savings contributions and the agency's 2%-5% matching are reduced; Social Security contributions lag; and an employee's attainable career high-three average is reduced by 33% to 40%!


If these facts aren't enough to drive away young Marshals and potential hires, this ever-widening gap also serves to effectively close out Pay Banders from competing for job opportunities in the GS system. A ten-year 'I' level employee of the Pay Banding system applying for a journeyman level GS-13 job may not be considered a serious contender for the position due to the $20,000 gap in pay comparisons. Interviewers and decision makers reviewing applications will very likely assume that a Pay Band employee whose salary is much lower than the position sought has not yet achieved the required minimum of twelve months experience in the prior grade.


An employee remaining in the pay band system too long will essentially become trapped. This issue is of course of greatest concern to employees who come into the Pay Banding system early in their careers. Younger employees with more years ahead of them will suffer most if they remain ignorant or complacent about the extreme disparity of the TSA Pay Banding system.


"Those who choose to stay with the agency because of their commitment to the important mission….will do so while sacrificing pay comparability to other federal employees at other agencies." - FAA Representative Tim O'Hara.


The disparity is not simply in unequal pay programs, but also in the rules between different groups of similarly classified employees. The confusion caused by different systems will ultimately punish many employees unfairly. One of the most important benefits behind the design of the General Schedule was to insulate employees from the inherent unfairness of favoritism and bigotry still too often found in the workplace. Our nation's Air Marshals have witnessed the shameful departure of that protection. Now the TSA is leading the return to an era where promotions, awards and pay increases are distributed through the "Good 'Ole Boys" network.


This problem is not just focused on current pay, but extends indefinitely into an employee's future by additionally corrupting future salary growth, TSP contributions, TSP matching agency funds which are set as a percentage of base, compounded interested from long-term thrift savings plan participation, as well as future pension calculations and Social Security benefits. An honest review of the existing disparity reveals that we are talking about thousands of dollars over an employee's career and many thousands more lost in retirement.


FAMs are being subjected to unfair treatment under a totally different pay system from that covering the majority of similarly classified federal law enforcement officers. While the majority of motivated young men and women do not seek this extraordinary type of work with financial gain in mind, the extreme disparity of the current pay system will ultimately serve to deter the brightest and most aggressively driven professionals away from a career with the Federal Air Marshal Service.

[FLEAS34]

Howdy all,

I've been reading for a while, but this is my first post. Thanks to everyone who has been posting info on here. Currently, I'm on Active Duty with the USAF and will be transitioning to the Air Guard in a few months. I still have about 1.5 years left until I complete my BS. I have no LE experience, but will have 7 years of mil experience when I seperate, inclusive of 2 combat tours. I applied to the FAMs about a month ago and haven't heard much besides the genaric COE. This may seem like a broad question, but to those of you who have already been picked up, what are my chances? I'm new to the Fed LE game but am ready to get my career started. If FAMs isn't a good fit, I'd love to hear your opinions on other Fed LE jobs for someone with my education and experience level. Thanks in advance!

Cheers,
ML

[knightrider26]

If you have the patience to wait then it's a good fit. Good luck to you!

[knightrider26]

What is happening to this forum? Nobody has been on here in a while. Is there another forum that everybody chats on now. Please let me know.

[copper02]

I think everyone is just waiting for that call my man.........just sitting and waiting!

[knightrider26]

Yea I see. Well good luck to everybody through this process. And have a happy 4th of July.

[dnehack]

Yep, thats pretty much all that is left to do. Sit and wait. Hopefully less than 60 days and we will all know something.

[dnehack]

Happy 4th of July to all.

[Tower]

Could this be the week......

[dnehack]

to early in July, but would take it for sure. I think more towards the end of July and into August.

[knightrider26]

I thought you guys gave up on this site.

[dnehack]

Not yet, but maybe in another 3 1/2 months!!

[INTHEAIRCOP]

New firearm policy just came out. FAMs can now carry more guns and that makes me happy. We will have a choice of what we want to carry on and off duty. I am not going to say what guns but some are small and some are big.

[knightrider26]

LOL.. yea I hear ya.

[dnehack]

Well thats good news!! Hopefully they wont use new hiree money to purchase them!!

New firearm policy just came out. FAMs can now carry more guns and that makes me happy. We will have a choice of what we want to carry on and off duty. I am not going to say what guns but some are small and some are big.

[dnehack]

Dont know for sure but it would probably be one of these!

http://www.tsa.gov/lawenforcement/programs/editorial_2273.shtm


New firearm policy just came out. FAMs can now carry more guns and that makes me happy. We will have a choice of what we want to carry on and off duty. I am not going to say what guns but some are small and some are big.

[NOLAPIG]

Dont know for sure but it would probably be one of these!

http://www.tsa.gov/lawenforcement/programs/editorial_2273.shtm

Ruger P-Series? They might as well approved Lorcins and Hi-Points :D

[gonefishin]

With the new firearms policy I am able to carry the same gun that the Joker used in the Batman movie. Heres a link to a pic of it.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=263709

[tua]

With the new firearms policy I am able to carry the same gun that the Joker used in the Batman movie. Heres a link to a pic of it.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=263709

Ha! Thats hilarious yet and awesome at the sametime!

[INTHEAIRCOP]

Dont know for sure but it would probably be one of these!

http://www.tsa.gov/lawenforcement/programs/editorial_2273.shtm



No! that is not correct. The must be for the 1811s under TSA. not FAMs. We are only allowed to carry one of four guns. 2 are for on duty carry and the other 2 are only for off duty. The FAM service will only buy you one and then if you want the others then you will have to pay for it.

[spookysco]

http://www.abc15.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=568d6b4d-67b7-4116-9098-4c35d8b5ce38#top

[dnehack]

:D Soon! Very soon!!!! :} Remember I told you this...

[manstown]

:D Soon! Very soon!!!! :} Remember I told you this...


Was just told the other day that the next 2 classes going through were only going to be Phase II hires. That could change at any minute. Not trying to ruffle feathers here. But for money purposes, they weren't going to have any Artesia classes for the rest of the year.

[Bearcat357]

Was just told the other day that the next 2 classes going through were only going to be Phase II hires. That could change at any minute. Not trying to ruffle feathers here. But for money purposes, they weren't going to have any Artesia classes for the rest of the year.

FYI....DHS (more specifically TSA) is spending money to buy Screeners (or whatever they call them now) new BADGES and UNIFORMS....and they have no money left to hire any new FAMS until the new fiscal year.....and then that's not even a gimme..... even though they continue to lose a ton of folks......

Plus, the FAMS are reorganizing their offices.....and a goat screw is going to occur soon.....with folks being reassigned to new jobs.....and a lot of FAMS are not happy........ which is going to result in folks looking for new jobs.....

I got that after talking to my buddy and 3 other FAMS tonight.....

[dnehack]

manstown, not saying your poc is wrong but we will see. I am hearing different info. Like I said keep your phone by your side.

Was just told the other day that the next 2 classes going through were only going to be Phase II hires. That could change at any minute. Not trying to ruffle feathers here. But for money purposes, they weren't going to have any Artesia classes for the rest of the year.

Bearcat, the three fams that you talked to are way off on the hiring that is. Like I said above keep your phones by your side.

[manstown]

You're right. Information changes everyday. But my information is coming from one of the guys doing the interviewing for the office. And he seemed like the information was reliable. Not sure what information you're keeping, or what you think you may know but I hope you're right about people getting called. The information you're hearing....is it from someone involved with the FAMS? But I wouldn't count on too much movement anytime soon. Maybe INTHEAIR can say.

And what Bearcat said is similar to the same thing the training department was saying in regards to the new hires. Guess we'll wait and see.

[dnehack]

Manstown, yes it is someone involved with FAMS! Oh and your second to last sentence in the first paragraph is wrong!!

One more thing, your last paragraph dont worry guys you dont have to wait long for the calls.

[Lumberjack]

Is the FAM's announcement still open?

[dnehack]

No, it closed a couple weeks ago!

[dnehack]

Tower, check your private message!

[Bearcat357]

Bearcat, the three fams that you talked to are way off on the hiring that is. Like I said above keep your phones by your side.

They guys I talked to (one of them is an Army buddy who will be in town over the weekend) were on the Hiring Board for their Field Office.....and that's what their SAC is saying.....

Could that change? Yeap.....we all know how the GOV operates....hell, it could change 5 minutes after they were told that by HQ.....

But that's what they have been told......

[manstown]

Manstown, yes it is someone involved with FAMS! Oh and your second to last sentence in the first paragraph is wrong!!

One more thing, your last paragraph dont worry guys you dont have to wait long for the calls.

I hope you're right. Like I said, I'm not trying to freak anyone out. Just what I heard from the people that hired me. Hope you guys get the call. You all have been waiting alot longer then me. Good Luck.

[dnehack]

Calls went out today!! Not a lot but calls did go out. More to follow tomorrow.

[manstown]

Calls went out today!! Not a lot but calls did go out. More to follow tomorrow.

That's good to hear. Good luck everyone.

[marinecop2]

Calls went out today!! Not a lot but calls did go out. More to follow tomorrow.


Anyone on this forum called?

[dnehack]

I received the call! Boston FO Report 20 August! Finally Good luck to everyone! :D

[knightrider26]

Wow! Congrats D. I hope to join you on the same date.

[dnehack]

Thanks Knight! Hopefully a bunch of you guys will be joining me!

REMEMBER CALLS ARE GOING OUT!! GOOD LUCK TO EVERYONE!

[MassVet]

No calls here today, DNE are you a Vet, any preference, experience, I think I am in the same boat as you. Being done and waiting for the call.

[manstown]

I received the call! Boston FO Report 20 August! Finally Good luck to everyone! :D

Congrats. That's awesome. Welcome and good luck in training.

[HDbluelite]

dnehack....check pm..

[dtown101]

Thanks Knight! Hopefully a bunch of you guys will be joining me!

REMEMBER CALLS ARE GOING OUT!! GOOD LUCK TO EVERYONE!

did u org . pick boston >>>>>are you a fed leo?????

i dont think any fed leo has gotten a call b/c the next class is probably a phase 1 class

[HDbluelite]

any other news or information to pass on?

[dnehack]

I dont have much to pass on. She did say they are only hiring for phase I right now. I would expect for calls to go out for phase II to be at the middle to end of September.

[HDbluelite]

I dont have much to pass on. She did say they are only hiring for phase I right now. I would expect for calls to go out for phase II to be at the middle to end of September.

[HDbluelite]

I will have to attend phase I also. I hope to get the call!!!!!!

[copper02]

Is "dne" the only one on here that has completed everything and gotten "the" call this week? Good luck to you guys!

[knightrider26]

No, I've completed everything Since January 07. I hope to get the call for phase I as well.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

I got the call also______--------_______--------



that my partner called in sick for that 10 hour day on South West airlines.


Good luck guys!

[dnehack]

I sure hope some of you guys put Boston down on your application!! :eek: If not you might just be skipped this go around!

[knightrider26]

I surely put boston on mine. I might Join you D.

[MassVet]

got A CALL from the FAMS HR office, she left a message. Told me to call her back. Shes not answering now this sucks. I'm going to keep calling all day long.



ALL DAY.



massvet

[MassVet]

Got The Call- Boston, Report August 19th- Dne If You Need A Place To Crash, I Live Here, This Is Perfect. Perfect. Perfect.

[knightrider26]

Congrats MassVet.. I hope to get the call today as well..

[knightrider26]

MassVett and Dne,
How long have yall been waiting since you completed the entire process? I'm trying to figure out if they are going down the list of people who have been completed from September of last year until now. Also, do they make an offer to you when they call?

Thanks

[dnehack]

Got The Call- Boston, Report August 19th- Dne If You Need A Place To Crash, I Live Here, This Is Perfect. Perfect. Perfect.


MassVet,

That is awesome! Congrats! I will send you a PM. I was just about to book my hotel for the two weeks we were going to be in Boston. Sending you a PM now. :D

[dnehack]

MassVett and Dne,
How long have yall been waiting since you completed the entire process? I'm trying to figure out if they are going down the list of people who have been completed from September of last year until now. Also, do they make an offer to you when they call?

Thanks

knightrider, I have been finished since September 06. Yes they make an offer when they call. Good Luck!

[knightrider26]

Oh ok. So I'm guessing they are pretty much going down a list from guys who completed the process just prior to the cut off. I guess I have a long way to go since I've only been done since Jan. 07. :eek:
But def. good luck man. Wish you the best and hope to work with you guys one day.

[copper02]

Hey Massvet and DNE, congrats, best of luck to the rest of us waiting for that call!

[manstown]

I have heard that a few calls went out for a couple other offices as well. Don't know how that's going to make some of those already on the job feel, but hey....what are you going to do? And not all of them were for Phase I. Some of the calls were for Phase II only. Congrats to you guys again.

[Hitz]

Got the call today>>>Boston F.O.

[dnehack]

Congrats! Hitz. See you in three weeks. PM me when you get a chance.

[gonefishin]

What do you mean by they are only hiring for Phase I? I can't imagine they would hire guys...send them to Phase I...then hold off on sending them to Phase II....or do you mean that they are only hiring guys right now that need phase I and II.....there are going to be some guys that are pretty upset when they hear that new hires are going to offices other than DC and NY

[manstown]

What do you mean by they are only hiring for Phase I? I can't imagine they would hire guys...send them to Phase I...then hold off on sending them to Phase II....or do you mean that they are only hiring guys right now that need phase I and II.....there are going to be some guys that are pretty upset when they hear that new hires are going to offices other than DC and NY

I'm pretty sure he meant those going for the full academy, Phase I and II. But that's not the case. I know a few that were hired for other offices, other then Boston and San Fran and they'll only be going to Phase II. And I'm sure some will be a little angered about new hires going to other offices, but the fed does what the fed wants to do.

[TigerWoody]

I sent my fingerprint cards back in june, and didnt hear anything like you guys did. Just got this email from Avue this morning stating they picked more qualified people and to cancel any medical appointments made, if necessary. can i kiss this dream goodbye or is my app still good for the next process, or should i just reapply when the announcement opens up again...if it ever does? Thanks and congrats to those who got the call. you deserve it with all the patience that was required from all of you sitting back and waiting .

[Tower]

Typically that email from avue means you have gone as far as you're gonna go with this process. To verify the email you should call avue. Email mistakes from them do happen. If it was sent correctly just reapply when the announcement opens again. Good luck

[jrnwaarmy]

knightrider, I have been finished since September 06. Yes they make an offer when they call. Good Luck!


Where you in DC blitz last july 06 for the process? Ive been done since aug 06 and reside in northern california (close to sfo)..hoping they call me also, but i did not received any email from avue..the last email i got is to recert my app and mental health cert..any input pls..surely help!!!thanks and hope to see you in training!!!!

[dnehack]

Where you in DC blitz last july 06 for the process? Ive been done since aug 06 and reside in northern california (close to sfo)..hoping they call me also, but i did not received any email from avue..the last email i got is to recert my app and mental health cert..any input pls..surely help!!!thanks and hope to see you in training!!!!

No I was not in the blitz. I did everything out of the Orlando FO except for the medical which I completed out in El Paso, TX while there with the military. I dont really have any new info to tell you other than just hang tight. Calls are still going out. Sorry I dont have much else to tell you.

[Hitz]

dnehack did you get the e-mail from HR yet?

[dnehack]

Yes!! How about you?

[MassVet]

I got it. Looks good to me! getting everything ready for me to be away for a while.

[Milagro303]

Congrats to the three of you! I'm sure you are all excited and ready to go!

I'm applied through the Minneapolis FO- I think I was a rarity... It seemed like they haven't had many applicants throught this area.

I completed the physical fitness test roughly 3 weeks ago, and they said the next steps would move quickly. Today- I got a call that my first drug test somehow was "lost in the shuffle" and I needed to go do it again... Did anyone else have that happen to them? Just curious---- And does anyone know if there are steps after the physical fitness test? I was under the impression that this is the last step....

Thanks!

[UMDBulldog]

I applied this past January through the Minneapolis field office as well. It went pretty smoothly until I completed the interview. I called Avue and without giving me the "exact" answer on how I was rated on my interview, she said I did get the top score. Anyways, Medical/Physical left. When did you apply Milargro303 and give me a timeline please. Thanks. Good luck

[matwheel]

Need some advise....constructive advise. I applied in January 07, with military and non-sworn peace officer experience. I have a 10 pt preference, if that does anything for me. I am 36 credits from my Engineering degree and have had Executive level positions within law enforcement under my belt. So far, I have only been requested to complete finger print cards. I havent been informed via email, mail and/or phone that my application has been passed over or anything for that matter.

What would you do in my situation? I've made two calls to AVUE, which they have shown their abilities at tap dancing and not given me anything constructive. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks

[tua]

Need some advise....constructive advise. I applied in January 07, with military and non-sworn peace officer experience. I have a 10 pt preference, if that does anything for me. I am 36 credits from my Engineering degree and have had Executive level positions within law enforcement under my belt. So far, I have only been requested to complete finger print cards. I havent been informed via email, mail and/or phone that my application has been passed over or anything for that matter.

What would you do in my situation? I've made two calls to AVUE, which they have shown their abilities at tap dancing and not given me anything constructive. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks

I don't know if there is much you can do but wait. It seems they have a lengthy list of well qualified people who completed all the steps so I dont think that the FAMS is going to be in rush to move other people along. I passed the interview back in Dec '06 and never heard a peep after that.

[DWCgrad]

Is that it? just 3 guys from this forum got on. I sure would of thought more of us would of gotten the call.

[knightrider26]

Yes I agree man. i figured more of us would have def. gotten the call. But I heard that calls are very limited right now but still going out.

[STL]

I give you guys all the credit in the world!!!!! I joined this forum in Jan. and since that point I've noticed that some of you guys have been waiting since 2005 for this job, wow. Not me!!!! You guys know that FAMS isn't the only job out there right? Great job to the three that got on!!!! My hats off to you guys. Really congrats to you guys. I wish you guys the best in your careers!!! For the rest of you guys, let it go!!!!! It's going to be awhile before there's anymore hiring.

[knightrider26]

Yea people have been on here since 05. I know I have. But it's not like i'm sitting with no job and waiting for it. Actually the job i have is pretty decent. But it's not the career move that I want to make. I actually applied for this position right out of college, so pretty much I have time on my side. But yes, this has been a long process to say the least. I hope no one would have quit there day job just waiting. Are you still in the process STL? I believe it will come through, it's just alot of us who have completed everything after Oct. of last year have been stuck in the same spot because of the budget issues.

Good luck to everybody and keep faith alive.

[STL]

I'm not tryin to rip anyone for persuing this gig but dude somethings you gotta look at it and see it for what it is. I'm not in the process anymore I got hired as a G-Band ASI for the TSA so I'm okay at this point. Believe it or not this is my second time working for these guys. I was a lead TSO when they created the agency. If I were smart I would've tried back then but oh well shoulda, coulda, woulda right? But I like the ASI job. I figure I'll stay with this job for awhile I should never left the TSA to begin with.

[knightrider26]

That's what's up man, how do you like working for TSA? Was that a long process as well or did it move pretty fast?

[matwheel]

Okay. I appreciate the replies and yes, I do understand that this should not be my only avenue. Thanks for re-affirming me about not putting all my eggs in one basket. However, if I wasn't able to wait for an opportunity, then I wouldn't of applied for the position in the first place. Yeah, I know their is a lot of people that applied for the position, but hey, maybe I might have better qualifications than that last person they looked at, and maybe you might too. If they(FAMS) do call upon you, my question is would you accept it? I hope that you would, unless your new/present position is what you want.

Don't take this as an attack, take this as a different point of view and a learning experience. Your never too old to learn and should not be against accepting input from others. Later

[Tower]

The hiring for this fiscal year is being done in 2 groups. The first group is nearly all hired. The second group should be starting around late August. Don't know which field offices will be getting fresh bodies. Less then 80 to be hired total.....

[STL]

I'm not taking anything that you guys might say as a direct attack upon me. I understand, welcome, like different points of view. As for me taking the FAMS job if it were offered to me, really that's a non issue at point because I'm out of the running, but if I were still in there I would have to say no because I just relocated for my current position and it's very doubtful that they would make me an offer at the airport I'm working at now, so at this point I would say no. Yes I do in enjoy the ASI job, it is different, nothing like I've done before and it's interesting, not the same stuff every day, but remember I got on in April talk to me in a year and ask me how I like the job. Do I like TSA? Well it's a gov. agency so I think that says it all. I will say this it better now as an ASI than as a screener that's for sure ( trust me not trying to rip on any screener, I don't forget where I came from) but I'm treated a lot better and a lot more money, and I'm not being baby sitted and treated like a dog. So all in all life is good for me.

[jrnwaarmy]

is there from california got the call?

:confused:

[dnehack]

is there from california got the call?

:confused:

Not sure what you are asking??

[marinecop2]

Not sure what you are asking??


I think what he meant to say is there anyone who has received the call from the California FO's.

[Tower]

A few were picked up for Frisco....

[jrnwaarmy]

A few were picked up for Frisco....


thanks guys really appreciate your response...So i guess i'll just hang out for now and wait....

[Bearcat357]

A few were picked up for Frisco....

My buddies said the Frisco office just opened and that they were trying to fill it..... One of the guys from their office went out...... They just rolled their eyes at him because he's got a wife/kids.....and the cost of living out there blows.....

[knightrider26]

So, why did they roll their eyes at him? Is Frisco that expensive to live. Do they compensate you for cost of living?

[Bearcat357]

So, why did they roll their eyes at him? Is Frisco that expensive to live. Do they compensate you for cost of living?

Frisco is one of the highest places to live in the US....it's higher than DC, LA, NYC areas..... A few locals and Feds that I know that have worked or work the area can't afford to live there.....and have to live over 2 hours away just to survive...

Guy was making good money at his current station....to the point that his wife was a stay at home Mom. She's going to have to get a job now......they went out because that's where his wife is from.....

Yes, all GOV Employees get a Cost of Living Adjustments with your salary based on where you live.....but I don't think it's enough....as it sucks to live out here in DC unless you are a GS-11 or 12 and above....trust me on that one....

I can't imagine living out there..... Nice place to visit....but wouldn't want to try to work out there unless you have a ton of money coming in...

[manstown]

So, why did they roll their eyes at him? Is Frisco that expensive to live. Do they compensate you for cost of living?

Everybody gets 25% for LEAP and a Locality pay based on the area. Some areas are more then others. But if you're starting out at 36,000 even with LEAP and Locality it may be tough to find comparable living in some areas.

[knightrider26]

Oh ok. So that's how it works. Thanks fellas. Hey Bearcat, one of my boys works in the D.C. office you probably know him. Hit me up with a PM if you get a chance.

[Bearcat357]

Oh ok. So that's how it works. Thanks fellas. Hey Bearcat, one of my boys works in the D.C. office you probably know him. Hit me up with a PM if you get a chance.

Actually, I don't know anyone in the DC office...... All the guys I know are based out of another office that one of my Army buddies works in....and that's how I keep in contact with the workings of the FAM Service.....

They arrive out here at DCA from time-to-time....and if I am around....I give them the nickle tour of the place.....and make sure they have beer/food in them before they leave..... :D

That's why they were shocked to find out that new hires were coming on.....as they were told that it wasn't going to happen.....

[knightrider26]

Oh ok. LOl.. Do you know how many calls have gone out or how many they are looking to hire

[SD5326]

Congrats to all those who got picked up.

SD

[jrnwaarmy]

Can any body tell me how many in a class size and how many class for this year?thanks

[SARGE06]

Hello all, this is my first post. I've been following this forum closely for a while and soaking up all the useful info. Thank you all for your input and advice. Just got THE CALL today for NY office, reporting on Sep 17th. Congrats to you guys that got picked up and hope to see some of you in Artesia.

[Supersonic527]

Congrats Sarge. Best of luck!

[knightrider26]

Congrats Sarge. I didn't think they were calling anyone anymore. But thanks for the info and congrats. If you don't mind me asking, how long have you been waiting for?

[SARGE06]

Congrats Sarge. I didn't think they were calling anyone anymore. But thanks for the info and congrats. If you don't mind me asking, how long have you been waiting for?

Actually the process went rather quickly for me, here is roughly how it went:

11/06: Applied/COE
12/06: Backgound, Fingerprint cards
1/07: Medical Appointment
4/07: Interview (panel only, SAIC wasn't available that day)
5/07: Interview with SAIC/Drug test, PTA the following day
06/07: got the infamous AVUE letter, then a call for transcripts
8/07: got the call from OLE/FAMS with offer

[Legend1bt]

Well guys after waiting for exactly 2 years I got the call today for the Boston Field office. However, exactly 2 days ago I also got a call from Homeland Security offering me a job in my hometown which I accepted.
So it looks like I will be declining the FAMS position. Which really sucks considering all I put into it.

This isnt something I took lightly but I guess in the end I have to do what is best for me and my family. The good news is that this will open up a position for one of you guys still waiting.

For all you guys who did get the call good luck and congrats.

[knightrider26]

Congrats to you guys who have gotten the call.
Legend, I too have been waiting for the last 2 years. I hope to get the call soon. It looks like Boston is doing alot of hiring. If you don't mind me asking when did you actually apply for the job? Did you have previous LEO or Military experience?

[Legend1bt]

Congrats to you guys who have gotten the call.
Legend, I too have been waiting for the last 2 years. I hope to get the call soon. It looks like Boston is doing alot of hiring. If you don't mind me asking when did you actually apply for the job? Did you have previous LEO or Military experience?


I applied in 08/2005, and yes I have both Law Enforcement and Military experience.

[knightrider26]

Oh ok. Yea I applied around the same time then. The problem is that I don't have any Milatary or LEO experience. But it seems that my packet has been fwd to the hiring board. I got a call back in May to send my transcripts over so they can fwd it. I completed everything i'm just waiting on the call. I hope that my inexperience as a LEO does not hurt my chances. I wasn't sure if they were still calling people for the next class

[matwheel]

Question(s) to all those who have gotten phone calls and also all the others that have gone through the medical and interview portion that applied near or just after the beginning of the year, (1) Do you have LEO and/or Military Experience? (2) How long after finalizing your app and doing your fingerprint card were you contacted to do the next step in the process? (3rd and final) For all of those eligible for preference(vet's or any other), do you see it working any or is preference being shifted to the side?

Not totally discouraged, but haven't heard a peep since I completed finger print card back in Mar 07.

[lady_j]

Congrats! Just wanted to know what your experience with the PTA was, as I am going to it this week...any numbers they are looking for?



Actually the process went rather quickly for me, here is roughly how it went:

11/06: Applied/COE
12/06: Backgound, Fingerprint cards
1/07: Medical Appointment
4/07: Interview (panel only, SAIC wasn't available that day)
5/07: Interview with SAIC/Drug test, PTA the following day
06/07: got the infamous AVUE letter, then a call for transcripts
8/07: got the call from OLE/FAMS with offer

[dnehack]

Congrats! Just wanted to know what your experience with the PTA was, as I am going to it this week...any numbers they are looking for?

Just try as hard as you can. That is what they are looking for. Do the best as you can.

[Tower]

Got the call, heading to LA. EOD Sep 17th. Anyone else get LA?

[dnehack]

Congrats Tower! Good luck in School.

[tua]

Congratulations to everyone getting the call finally! Especially to those of you who have been waiting since '05 and early '06. Good luck!

[knightrider26]

Congrats again everybody. Best of luck to everybody who is still waiting.

[frenchy480]

I was wondering, did anyone who got "the call" also receive the disqualification letter from Avue like some of the hired people received last year? I completed everything in April and never received the letter so I'm just here hopelessly waiting. I was wondering just in case I do receive an email from Avue

[knightrider26]

You and me both Frenchy. I have not heard a word since I completed everything.

[knightrider26]

Tua,
I see that you are going through the NJSP process. Which date are you scheduled to go for PT

[knightrider26]

Tua,
That last comment was for you.. sorry about that.

[tua]

Tua,
That last comment was for you.. sorry about that.

Nah man, I am going to the PA state Police academy in October not NJSp.

[knightrider26]

oh ok. Good luck with that. How was the PT for that?

[tua]

The PT was pass/fail and not too difficult, but I have been training hard for the academy because the six month training in Hershey is no joke. The same for pretty much all state agencies. Good luck with the NJSP process I heard it is extremely competitive.

[MassVet]

Tower , congrats, I know you have been waiting for a while like me. See you guys in the academy. As you know, Boston FO for me. Luckily, and ODDLY, I live here already I couldnt have asked for a better gig.

[Tower]

Thanks fellas see you in Artesia...

[SD5326]

Congrats Tower! I know you've been waiting quite some time.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

Good luck to the ones who got called. (you are gonna need it). I am not sure but I think you have 14 weeks of school. It is long days. Food is good. Just about everyone makes it the first time around and if you do not make it you will get a second chance.

You will be proud once you get those creds and new gun. LOL

[danzpolice]

Hey all got the "call" today....EDO September and start in Artesia in October! I'll be one of the few females so shouldn't be hard to miss me...hahaha

[knightrider26]

congrats Danz,
How long have you been going through the process for? I can't believe I haven't gotten the call yet :confused: But anyway good luck to you out there.

[danzpolice]

I started my process in 2005 its been almost 2 1/2 years to date. I think part of that reason was my age (I'm a young one) Hang in there an just don't expect anything ~ the govt works in mysterious ways ;)

[DPD2434]

I have been in the process since July of 2005, finished everything earlier this year, haven't received an email saying that I'm out to process. Don't know what to think?? I have been in law enforcement since i was 18, i have over 7+ years law enforcement/investigations experience.

[knightrider26]

So it seems like a lot of us who have been in the process for that long are just now getting calls. I too have been in the process since July 05. I completed everything back in Jan. 07. They also requested my transcripts from my college back in May. So I have faith they will call. Danz, I'm also a young one as well. I was only 24 when I first applied.

[Tower]

To those who have received the call to be hired...Congratulations!!! You are 1 of 65 people to be hired this fiscal year from an applicant pool that was up to approximately 16,000 at one point!!! Ridiculous pool that has been weeded significantly to a number that is now around 2,000.

I haven't heard of anymore hiring taking place for next fiscal year. Supposedly another job announcement is to open next spring.

[olevdawg]

I have been reading this forum for over a year now and have found them very interesting. I am very happy for those of you who have gotten the jobs but does anyone know if the hiring process done? I applied for the Detroit area but I guess that's that. I haven't heard of anyone being called for that particular office. I began the process back in July '05 and completed everything in November '06. I use to think that no news was good news but now I just don't know.:(

[knightrider26]

Dawg,
Don't feel bad man, I'm in the same boat. I've been in the process since july 05 and haven't heard anything since either. I completed everything as of Jan. 07. I was told by avue that FAMS have reached their hiring needs and to hold off and be patient for further instructions.

[olevdawg]

Thanks for the feedback. Maybe the future is holding something better for us.:confused:

[knightrider26]

You got that right dawg. Good luck to you man

[Legend1bt]

I have been reading this forum for over a year now and have found them very interesting. I am very happy for those of you who have gotten the jobs but does anyone know if the hiring process done? I applied for the Detroit area but I guess that's that. I haven't heard of anyone being called for that particular office. I began the process back in July '05 and completed everything in November '06. I use to think that no news was good news but now I just don't know.:(

When I declined the job 3 weeks ago the HR person told me that there was a new announcement coming out towards the end of this year. I was also told that Boston was the only one they were filling at this time. So There will be more hires. It's just a waiting game.

[frenchy480]

If they put out another anouncement, would that mean that the current "pool" of applicants would have to reapply? I completed everything, transcripts and all, and have heard nothing. Congrats to everyone who made it by the way!

[knightrider26]

that's what i'm wondering Frenchy. I completed everything as well.

[olevdawg]

This really sucks.:( The process was long and boy have we been patient and still nothing. I use to think that no news was good news but this has taken things to an entirely different level.

[frenchy480]

At least we'll know what to expect if we have to reapply next time knightrider. You finished yours earlier than mine so maybe you have an advantage. Who knows anymore. It was funny cause the guy who was handling my "packet" called and told me it was complete, then he went on to say "Don't quote me on this, but you have the job. Expect the call very soon"....riiiiiight

[Legend1bt]

This really sucks.:( The process was long and boy have we been patient and still nothing. I use to think that no news was good news but this has taken things to an entirely different level.

Well I know this isn't the place for it, but Customs is hiring. I got tired of waiting for the Air Marshals. Some of you guys have been waiting for 2 yrs and who knows how much longer you will have to wait.

[olevdawg]

Thanks for the info Legend1bt. I have been working pretty hard trying to stay in shape and feel that I could pass any physical. I will look into Customs. Thanks again.

[knightrider26]

Thanks for letting us know that legend. I will look into also.

Frenchy,
Yea the guy pretty much told me the same thing back in May. That my packet was being forwarded to the hiring panel. I've heard nothing since. I don't know what to say anymore. I just hope I don't have to redo the whole process.

[marinecop2]

Got the call to take PTA finally in couple weeks.

[olevdawg]

Good luck on your PTA. I finished back in December 2006 and have yet to hear anything. Maybe that's a sign that they will be hiring soon.

[knightrider26]

yea good luck man, I also finished that back in Jan. 07. I have yet to hear anything. But this may be a good sign.

[knightrider26]

Man, I guess nothing is happening. Nobody is writing anything on these forums.

[knightrider26]

What's going on people??

[INTHEAIRCOP]

I was told by my SAIC that the 65 have been hired for the year. If we have the money next year then 300 new hires.

[Up_On_Base]

I was told by my SAIC that the 65 have been hired for the year. If we have the money next year then 300 new hires.

How is the turnover rate @ FAMS?

I know several USSS-UD guys that went over after 9/11 and have left after a couple of years. I doubt the turnover is close to UD levels but wanted to get an insider perspective.

[manstown]

Since the new Director took over, I would say that it isn't as high as when Quinn was around. The Director has done some good things to make life easier, or is trying. And from talking to some of the guys from the 9/11 hirings, they're happier now then they've been.

[INTHEAIRCOP]

Job is ALOT better now with the new Director. The job is what it is. I fly all the time and am away form home all the time. I do get a gun and badge so that is a plus.

[Up_On_Base]

Job is ALOT better now with the new Director. The job is what it is. I fly all the time and am away form home all the time. I do get a gun and badge so that is a plus.


Good to hear the job has improved; I know there was a big USSS influence post 9/11. Hopefully things will continue to improve.

I imagine the job is similar, sitting around watching people, trying to stay awake, hoping someone does something stupid so you can lock them up...

[matwheel]

Hey INTHEAIRCOP, You say that there will possibly be 300 hired next year. Will that be next fiscal year or next year, 2008. Any future "hope" may settle me a little. LOL, Thanks.

[marinecop2]

Finally completed the process today with the PTA. I was told that just about all field offices are down personnel. They said the new fiscal year should bring in some money for new hires.

[AmericanMan]

Any updates on the future possibility of TSA Police?

[Bearcat357]

Any updates on the future possibility of TSA Police?

Never happen.....Airports/Airport Cops don't want them there.....and who's going to foot the bill...?

Back in 02 when they were looking at doing that....someone realized how much it was going to cost to send folks to FLETC....how jammed up FLETC was going to be....and that standing at a TSA Checkpoint probably wasn't going to bring a lot of folks in (and that's all they were going to do.....hangout at the checkpoint and make arrests and/or assist the screeners with LE needs)....

Local Airport Cops can do that a lot cheaper.....

[AmericanMan]

Never happen.....Airports/Airport Cops don't want them there.....and who's going to foot the bill...?

Back in 02 when they were looking at doing that....someone realized how much it was going to cost to send folks to FLETC....how jammed up FLETC was going to be....and that standing at a TSA Checkpoint probably wasn't going to bring a lot of folks in (and that's all they were going to do.....hangout at the checkpoint and make arrests and/or assist the screeners with LE needs)....

Local Airport Cops can do that a lot cheaper.....

So, is the TSA going to have land Marshalls for trains?

[Bearcat357]

So, is the TSA going to have land Marshalls for trains?

I know when they did some of the stuff when the threat was higher....it was a mix of screeners and FAMS.... All the railroads and transit systems have their own LE Agencies.....

I know the FAMS I know were not happy to be on the ground.....especially since there are other LE Agencies in place.....

[INTHEAIRCOP]

http://cbs4.com/video/?id=40243@wfor.dayport.com

[homer]

the bursar's office at the college where i completed my BA did not receive notice that I graduated last august and placed me in default on my perkins loans in may. The loans are to deferred until i complete my masters degree.My issue is that on july 25 the tsa checked my credit. is it likely that i have been removed from consideration? The school has told me that when they receive proof that i am continuing my education they reverse the default status.

[GoldBadge]

JThe job is what it is. I fly all the time and am away form home all the time. I do get a gun and badge so that is a plus.

That's a heck of an endorsement. Makes me want to break down the doors at the HR dept at the FAMS, just to get that badge and gun. Woohoo!

[Bearcat357]

That's a heck of an endorsement. Makes me want to break down the doors at the HR dept at the FAMS, just to get that badge and gun. Woohoo!

Well.....that's what they do.....

The guys I know that do the job say the same thing.....and shake their heads when the new folks come on board thinking they are going to be doing some highspeed/lowdrag stuff while they are at work.....then bitch and moan when all they do is fly, wait around, and fly some more......

[kw111]

Kinda odd...
After 3 months of so of no contact, I got a call today from the 703 area code requesting my transcripts... again.

[marinecop2]

Kinda odd...
After 3 months of so of no contact, I got a call today from the 703 area code requesting my transcripts... again.

Well, that's a good sign at least there is still movement. That "703", is that for HR? Strange though they would need your transcripts again. Did they give a reason why?

[kw111]

Well, that's a good sign at least there is still movement. That "703", is that for HR? Strange though they would need your transcripts again. Did they give a reason why?

No, no reason given and that 703 is still NJ so its the background office. Funny thing is I did this about 3 months ago and they said that my file was completed and onto HR. Oh well, I'll fax em in again.
But it is good that there is still processing being done.

[Bearcat357]

703 is still NJ so its the background office.

703 is Virginia...... TSA has some stuff about 500 yards from my house on Route 1.....it's in some of their annoucements......

[manstown]

No, no reason given and that 703 is still NJ so its the background office. Funny thing is I did this about 3 months ago and they said that my file was completed and onto HR. Oh well, I'll fax em in again.
But it is good that there is still processing being done.

If you go back a few hundred threads...703 is a Virginia number that everyone gets the call for transcripts. The good call for transcripts comes from a 609 number. When and if, because the word around the office is it's going to be a while, you get that call it shouldn't be that long.

[kw111]

If you go back a few hundred threads...703 is a Virginia number that everyone gets the call for transcripts. The good call for transcripts comes from a 609 number. When and if, because the word around the office is it's going to be a while, you get that call it shouldn't be that long.

That's right, I got the area codes backwards... Thanks Manstown.

[Seamarshal]

Well, I just got off the phone with avenue and asked them what was the status of my application. They stated that I was inactive due to failure to recert my BI. I totally regret not following through, I was almost done. I instead elected to join a PD. Well after a year, I still have a strong desire to work with the agency. Anyways, the person I was talking to at avenue stated that he heard a rumor that within the next 1-2 month, expect a new announcement!!! Could anyone confirm this?

[marinecop2]

Well, I just got off the phone with avenue and asked them what was the status of my application. They stated that I was inactive due to failure to recert my BI. I totally regret not following through, I was almost done. I instead elected to join a PD. Well after a year, I still have a strong desire to work with the agency. Anyways, the person I was talking to at avenue stated that he heard a rumor that within the next 1-2 month, expect a new announcement!!! Could anyone confirm this?

That has been the going rumor for a little while now. How close were you to being completed?

[Seamarshal]

I made it all the way to medical. THey were constantly calling me to do a final medical.

However, I was already knee-deep in the academy.

So whats the word? Can we expect a new announcement? Does anyone have any idea?

[datfas]

Well, I just found out my boss received a call 2 days ago from someone at FAMS regarding the BI. Wanted to know if I had any discipline in my OPF. I guess this is good news because the process is still moving, bad news if your boss doesn't know you applied somewhere else. I have a good working relationship with my boss, so no problems here.

[marinecop2]

Well, I just found out my boss received a call 2 days ago from someone at FAMS regarding the BI. Wanted to know if I had any discipline in my OPF. I guess this is good news because the process is still moving, bad news if your boss doesn't know you applied somewhere else. I have a good working relationship with my boss, so no problems here.

Is that the first you heard of anything since you finished back in May?

[datfas]

Is that the first you heard of anything since you finished back in May?

Yeah, this is the first time in a while!!

[jetdreamer]

IntheAirCop;
I applied in July 06 and was called up for the NYC area in Dec 06. I have accomplished the panel interview, was scored highly qualified, had a follow up interview/drug test. I have completed all requirements except the medical and PTA. I was told I was hired and part of the last class for FY07and the academy would start late Aug early Sept. The only problem is I will turn 37 in late Jan 08. Looking back at the many posts here it does not seem like I will be reached before being disqualified due to my age. I have 16 years of federal service with another agency but not law enforcement, I also have 10 years of military experience as a flier. I really wanted this job and believe with my background I would make a good officer. Any suggestions?

[marinecop2]

jetdreamer,

Who told you were hired and at what point?

[jetdreamer]

jetdreamer,

Who told you were hired and at what point?

I went in for the follow on interview or SAC interview in May 07, there were about 14 of us and before they brought us in they said we all were hired as the last class of FY07. We had another interview, 3 individuals and a drug test. we were told we would get a pin within 2 weeks for the medical. We were also told not to quit our jobs but as long as we had no medical problems we would be going to training late Aug early Sept. I do not remember the names but it was the NYC branch. I kinda thought it was a little inaccurate due to not having the physical yet but I am a flier for the AF and pass a flight physical each year so it didn't phase me.