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Bnathanb1982
07-01-2005, 06:16 PM
Well I leave Sunday to go to BCOT training in Forsyth Ga for the GDOC. Anyone have any advice on the areas I need to concentrate on in particular? I know you have to do good on everything, but the two areas I'm a little worried about are the shooting with a .38 revolver and the post test which we take when we first get down there on Sunday. Also any advice on the post test and what type of questions are on it, etc,

Thanks, Nathan

Bowles
07-02-2005, 10:44 PM
[SIZE=3]I work next door in NC so I can't give you any advice on the posttest. As for shooting the revolver, relax and listen to your range officer. If its anything like the NC range you can get enough shots in to qualify from the 3 yard line to the 15 yard line, trust me its closer than you think. If you can practice some before you have to qualify even if it

Bill
07-03-2005, 11:32 AM
Revolver?!?! Are you kidding me?

richjorg
07-06-2005, 08:29 PM
Revolver?!?! Are you kidding me?

Believe it or not, it is the same in CA!

BillP
07-06-2005, 10:08 PM
Here in PA they are planning on a slow conversion from .38 to 9mm.

AJAILER1
07-07-2005, 12:38 AM
Here in PA they are planning on a slow conversion from .38 to 9mm.
HI BILL, IN PHILLY THEY WENT OVER TO SIG 9 FROM 38 REVOLVER ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO.. SGT TONY

pateshane
07-17-2005, 06:07 PM
Yes I Concur It Is Time For The Ga Dept Of Corrections To Leave The Dark Ages Concerning The Continued Use Of Revolvers .

thirdgod
07-17-2005, 09:48 PM
We also ditched the .38 some years ago for the 9mm Glock. From what I've read, California DOC is MANDATED by state law to use the .38S&W revolver :eek:

StalkerCop
07-19-2005, 01:51 PM
Revolvers may return to Arizona Prisons. At least for those working armed post. Parole Officers, Investigators and others working outside the prison will keep glocks but it is believed the Glock is not the best weapon for prison post.

richjorg
07-19-2005, 05:44 PM
Revolvers may return to Arizona Prisons. At least for those working armed post. Parole Officers, Investigators and others working outside the prison will keep glocks but it is believed the Glock is not the best weapon for prison post.

What's the reasoning behind that?

72na55
07-19-2005, 06:36 PM
Well I leave Sunday to go to BCOT training in Forsyth Ga for the GDOC. Anyone have any advice on the areas I need to concentrate on in particular? I know you have to do good on everything, but the two areas I'm a little worried about are the shooting with a .38 revolver and the post test which we take when we first get down there on Sunday. Also any advice on the post test and what type of questions are on it, etc,

Thanks, Nathan

Depends on if you are accustomed to shooting an auto or wheel gun. The wheel gun is harder to go BACK to as it is a hard to easy trigger press. The auto is the opposite. Concentrate on the 25 yard line and tell yourself...sight picture, pad on trigger....squeeze and let the report of the weapon actually surprise you on each shot. Too many people let the 25 yard line psyc them out....if you have time to practice I recommend shooting at 10 yards at a shrunken target.......aim little miss little. Works very well on the 25 as the target will look much bigger to you. As far as the written, the common sense questions can't be studied for. Like they say in the military...if in doubt Charlie out...pick C....... :D.....All this worked for me ....94 on the written .......120 on the POST (4 times) ......good luck

1991gulfwarvet
07-20-2005, 07:18 AM
We use S&W .38 mod 66 in FL DOC. they have a very limited number of S&W 5906 autos that they train some people on. We need to go to autos completely, but DOC will never spend the $$$

Bnathanb1982
07-22-2005, 09:54 PM
Well I qualified on Wednesday with the revolver. They took us out on Tuesday and let us practice and get a feel for the gun and everything which I'm glad they did. I think I did alright for not shooting a revolver before with an 87 average over three rounds, 50 shots each. The two I had problems with was the shooting with your weak hand(even though it's only 3 yards, it was a lot harder than I thought) and shooting from the 25. I think that's where I missed the most. I couldn't believe some of the women that were shooting there, they were getting 20's and 30's and have to reshoot Monday, and if they don't pass that time they go home. On the other hand there were some women there that scored in the high 90's. Anyways thanks for the advice. Oh and one more thing, is there a way you can find out your POST test score? I saw that 72NA55 wrote what he got but I didn't know if you could find out in Georgia.

Thanks
Nathan

72na55
07-22-2005, 10:01 PM
Well I qualified on Wednesday with the revolver. They took us out on Tuesday and let us practice and get a feel for the gun and everything which I'm glad they did. I think I did alright for not shooting a revolver before with an 87 average over three rounds, 50 shots each. The two I had problems with was the shooting with your weak hand(even though it's only 3 yards, it was a lot harder than I thought) and shooting from the 25. I think that's where I missed the most. I couldn't believe some of the women that were shooting there, they were getting 20's and 30's and have to reshoot Monday, and if they don't pass that time they go home. On the other hand there were some women there that scored in the high 90's. Anyways thanks for the advice. Oh and one more thing, is there a way you can find out your POST test score? I saw that 72NA55 wrote what he got but I didn't know if you could find out in Georgia.

Thanks
Nathan

We get our scores immediately after testing in Louisiana. Have to shoot bi-annually and the scores are counted while you watch. Written is a one time deal as long as you stay current. Our POST firearms test is on a 0-100 scale and the firearms is 120 for a perfect score (each shot counts 2 points.) You shoot 18 rounds from 25 yards. That one usually kills everyone. Shot it this morning for a departmental transfer and shot 118/120. I was pleased cuz it was HOT.....

majorbb
09-06-2005, 11:19 PM
hello everyone im not a new co but i will be one at sci chester, i currently work for doc in alaska im am also a prisoner tranportation Officer been in the dept for 7 yrs but since im in alaska im relocating to pa so they are starting me off as a correctional officer trainee can u beleive that, i ask if i could go to a refresher course but they say i couldnt so im heading to elizabeth pa for 5 weeks as a recruit with 7 years they say i have to qualify with the 12 guage and 38 at chester i kinda laugh a pee shooter lol, here in alaska we have mans best friend the 22 40 cal glock 15 round clip so is it true that you still have the 38 at the acaedmy????, i got hired at chester since im relocating back and can anyone from pa tell me a little about chester, i was told they have 1 officer to 100 inmates in a pod, in alaska its about 50 to 1

BreakinChains
09-07-2005, 12:00 AM
Revolver?!?! Are you kidding me?
Same in Oregon too, but now we are starting to get Glock 22

paturnkey
09-07-2005, 06:03 PM
hello everyone im not a new co but i will be one at sci chester, i currently work for doc in alaska im am also a prisoner tranportation Officer been in the dept for 7 yrs but since im in alaska im relocating to pa so they are starting me off as a correctional officer trainee can u beleive that, i ask if i could go to a refresher course but they say i couldnt so im heading to elizabeth pa for 5 weeks as a recruit with 7 years they say i have to qualify with the 12 guage and 38 at chester i kinda laugh a pee shooter lol, here in alaska we have mans best friend the 22 40 cal glock 15 round clip so is it true that you still have the 38 at the acaedmy????, i got hired at chester since im relocating back and can anyone from pa tell me a little about chester, i was told they have 1 officer to 100 inmates in a pod, in alaska its about 50 to 1

Can't say how Chester is I work at SCI Fayette I started out at SCI Pittsburgh...here at Fayette its more like 260-1 per side <2 sides>in the pods and 500-4 in the Yards....Chester is supposed to be a program jail have heard that they have trouble getting and keeping folks there due to it being a Min security jail in a Max security area I have heard that they put it in a very bad area for some reason....have fun at E-town Welcome to Pa....

BillP
09-07-2005, 09:23 PM
hello everyone im not a new co but i will be one at sci chester, i currently work for doc in alaska im am also a prisoner tranportation Officer been in the dept for 7 yrs but since im in alaska im relocating to pa so they are starting me off as a correctional officer trainee can u beleive that, i ask if i could go to a refresher course but they say i couldnt so im heading to elizabeth pa for 5 weeks as a recruit with 7 years they say i have to qualify with the 12 guage and 38 at chester i kinda laugh a pee shooter lol, here in alaska we have mans best friend the 22 40 cal glock 15 round clip so is it true that you still have the 38 at the acaedmy????, i got hired at chester since im relocating back and can anyone from pa tell me a little about chester, i was told they have 1 officer to 100 inmates in a pod, in alaska its about 50 to 1

Yep, PA does not recognize other agency experience when it comes to Corrections. You will be going to Elizabethtown Training Academy, which was a State TB Hospital a few decades ago. The staff (Instructors, not management) are all quality and know their stuff. It is about 15 miles SE of Harrisburg. The Academy is 5 weeks long and yes, you will qualify with the .38 and 12 guage along with all the other things (DT, Baton) that you have already been trained on.

The rap on Chester is, that for all intent it is a level 2 (lowest custody level incarcerated) facility located in a level 5 (highest level) neighborhood.

Seriously, they opened the facility in in 1998 and have not been able to fully staff it as of yet. It is one of two in the Philadelphia region, which with the cost of living in the surrounding regions, makes it difficult. It is the D&A facility and is supposed to be a sort of treatment/program facility for inmates close to parole who need the programs to qualify.

125 to 1, for any of the newer facilities (1992 to present) per pod is about average.

majorbb
09-07-2005, 10:30 PM
thanks Biilp for the headsup, i will be losing alot of money, here in alaska a co with 7 yrs makes 22 bucks an hr, im dropping down tremodously, but then again the cost of living is high to so i guess it offsets itself well my reason is to be closer to my mother, my wife will be coming down after she finishes her 2 semesters of school for nursing,

BillP
09-07-2005, 10:43 PM
thanks Biilp for the headsup, i will be losing alot of money, here in alaska a co with 7 yrs makes 22 bucks an hr, im dropping down tremodously, but then again the cost of living is high to so i guess it offsets itself well my reason is to be closer to my mother, my wife will be coming down after she finishes her 2 semesters of school for nursing,

You should start around 13.50. Not great, but given that in most locations they have built facilities in the last 20 years had their economies die with the demise of coal and steel, it is not bad. We are currently waiting on our contract (in the hands of the arbitrators now) and should be getting a good percentage raise, retro to July 1, so that amount should increase. Given all state employees, with the exception of the other protective services units, have received 0% for 2 years, any amount is a plus.

As for nursing, this is a land of opportunity right now. My BIL's girlfriend graduated as an LPN, had at least 2 dozen different offers, took one that pay a great wage right now but will pay all her loans if she stays 18 months and give her a $5K bonus then if she agrees to stay another 18 months. Almost makes me want to get back into the medical field, almost.

majorbb
09-08-2005, 11:26 PM
hey bill, well when i go to the academy im just going to be quite and listen i dont what them to think im a know it all working in a max facility because we all have room for improvement, i dont want them to even know I have experience lol

majorbb
09-08-2005, 11:28 PM
bill i look at a earlier post by a fellow officer and he said they are converting to the 9MM?????

BillP
09-09-2005, 07:51 AM
hey bill, well when i go to the academy im just going to be quite and listen i dont what them to think im a know it all working in a max facility because we all have room for improvement, i dont want them to even know I have experience lol


That is a good plan of attack. The Instructors are all excellent and work their tails off trying to make sure everyone has a grasp on how things work in PA. You will enjoy it, except perhaps for the meals which in reality get you ready for what you get inside the fence for lunch.

BillP
09-09-2005, 07:52 AM
bill i look at a earlier post by a fellow officer and he said they are converting to the 9MM?????

In time, budget willing.

AJAILER1
10-24-2005, 01:08 AM
hello everyone im not a new co but i will be one at sci chester, i currently work for doc in alaska im am also a prisoner tranportation Officer been in the dept for 7 yrs but since im in alaska im relocating to pa so they are starting me off as a correctional officer trainee can u beleive that, i ask if i could go to a refresher course but they say i couldnt so im heading to elizabeth pa for 5 weeks as a recruit with 7 years they say i have to qualify with the 12 guage and 38 at chester i kinda laugh a pee shooter lol, here in alaska we have mans best friend the 22 40 cal glock 15 round clip so is it true that you still have the 38 at the acaedmy????, i got hired at chester since im relocating back and can anyone from pa tell me a little about chester, i was told they have 1 officer to 100 inmates in a pod, in alaska its about 50 to 1 I WORKED @ GREATERFORD SCI IN PA. 83-86, TRANS TO PHILLY CO. PRISONS. THAT'S BEFORE CHESTER SCI WAS BUILD. IN SCIG THERE WERE ALWAYS 100 -1 CO ( 400 ON A BLOCK AND 4 CO'S & I SGT ON THE "BRIDGE AREA. IN PHILLY IT WAS 125 (HSBG.) 2 CO'S A LOT BETTER AFTER GREATERFORD. BUT WE HAD MUCH BETTER CO'S IN SCIG. SGT. TONY (RET)

SOLID BLUE
10-24-2005, 06:00 PM
Don't worry about the .38 it's not that bad we still use them,we also use AR-15 9mm.Ar-15 223 and the good ole 870 pump. For our .38 we shoot from 7 yards to 25 yards. Just relax and listen to your range officer. Remember the trigger control at 7 yards is the same as 25 yards. Just a nice steady squeeze, if you pull or jerk she will be off. GOOD LUCK ROOK!

cccsgt
10-25-2005, 02:36 AM
Don't worry about the .38 it's not that bad we still use them,we also use AR-15 9mm.Ar-15 223 and the good ole 870 pump. For our .38 we shoot from 7 yards to 25 yards. Just relax and listen to your range officer. Remember the trigger control at 7 yards is the same as 25 yards. Just a nice steady squeeze, if you pull or jerk she will be off. GOOD LUCK ROOK!
I agree, although we use a mini-14 with same round. It would be nice to go to a semi-auto. pistol, but the nice thing about the 38 is that it is almost malfunction and dumby free. While I love all of my fellow correctional peace officers, with almost ten yrs under my belt I've seen alot of them at the range. Alot of them would have a hard time remembering tap rack and roll when they pull the trigger and nothing happens.