America's Garbage!

[kbclawdog]

I didn't know **** got that old!!!

Edgar Ray Killen and the people in his world then and now are pure garbage.
How could this man have walked around free for so long?

More than 40 years after FBI agents found the bodies of three slain civil rights workers buried in an earthen dam in Mississippi, Edgar Ray Killen, now 80, stands accused in their deaths. Jury selection began June 13 in the state murder trial for the former Ku Klux Klansman.

In 1967, Killen, a part-time Baptist preacher, went free after an all-white federal jury deadlocked 11-1 on whether he was guilty of conspiring to violate the victims' civil rights. The holdout said she couldn't vote to convict a preacher.

Click on link and read full story

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/18/mississippi.killings/index.html

[Mraughh]

In 1967 an all-white jury deadlocked 11-1 in favor of convicting Killen. The lone holdout said she could not vote to convict a preacher.

heh, sounds familiar dosent it. Got to love our legal system dont you?

[Titan67]

This whole thing is crazy! I had been following this story very closely while I was in MS a few months ago and the one thing that sticks out most to me was an interview they had with Edgar on the news. When asked about being the leader of the local KKK he responded by saying that he had never heard of such a thing. That's not even the bad part....on a webpoll 62% of the people who logged on BELIEVED HIM. They believed his whole story including that he had never heard of the KKK. It made me sick to my stomach that there is still a subculture in America that will let **** like this slide. I promise you that he will not go to jail.....they will do there best to make this go away. THe only reason they are trying him at all is because there is a new DA that is trying to be hero.....God bless him cause no one else has given a sh$t in the past 40 years.

[Mraughh]

their will always be a subculture in the usa that will allow stuff like this to happen. It doesnt matter what the race of the victims or criminals are. Hate crimes have been committed by every race in the country. The problem is with our flawed judicial system that rules in favor of the criminals. I know, I know Retired, the constitution/BoR protects us, but its still annoying as hell to have them walk.

[AMG]

What is the point in trying the old man now, from the looks of it he only has a few moments left.

[Bklngirl]

AMG,there is no statute of limitations on murder.Better late than never,
Brooklyn girl

[AMG]

I agree but finding him guilty at 80 misses the point. When they send him to jail he will end up getting to save all of his social security checks and buy sardines and crackers. I mean look at the big picture the DA before this guy didnt try him and the one before him didnt either. If Amercia wants to retry all the people for hate crimes then they should go to
www.withoutsanctuary.com and try to find all those clowns who hung blacks, jews, irish, scottish and any other race who tried to help blacks out. Gather all the idiots who struck poses for the pictures and try them for not doing anything.

It may surprise many people that he was a member of the KKK and he was also baptist preacher. It would surprise many people in this forum what is in the hearts of people who you go to church with, who smile in your face and shake your hand every sunday morning. In church they love you and care about you but see one of them in the store or run into them unexpected in the city. You will see the hand shake isnt offer'd or the smiles isnt so pleasant like it was on sunday. This applys to all people and not just one group. Ok enough of my venting.........I am brainstorming.....time to go hit the weights.

[keith758]

I guess using some people's logic that it's not necessary to prosecute elderly criminals, I guess anyone that committed a Nazi atrocity is free to go on with their lives, even though they are merely old garbage as opposed to young garbage. And while we're talking about the KKK, what about Senator Robert Byrd, of the Democrat party, who was an acknowleged member of the organization? Why wasn't he ever made responsible for his actions? Maybe that's why the Democrats opposed the recent minority members that were nominated for judicial posts?

[retired]

And while we're talking about the KKK, what about Senator Robert Byrd, of the Democrat party, who was an acknowleged member of the organization? Why wasn't he ever made responsible for his actions? judicial posts?

While I of course don't support the KKK, what actions of Byrd should he be made responsible for other than his membership in the organization?

[1sgkelly]

While I of course don't support the KKK, what actions of Byrd should he be made responsible for other than his membership in the organization?

Lets have a congressional investigation.
:rolleyes:

[Bart]

And while we're talking about the KKK, what about Senator Robert Byrd, of the Democrat party, who was an acknowleged member of the organization? Why wasn't he ever made responsible for his actions? Maybe that's why the Democrats opposed the recent minority members that were nominated for judicial posts?

isnt byrd from virginia or some other redneck state? hell, if youre a member of the KKK in those parts, youre considered a god damn hero. of course the fools would vote him in office. being a member of the KKK probably garnered him enough republican votes to tip the scale in his favor. how else would a democrat get into office in a mostly "red" state?

[Mraughh]

Ya know, sometimes, I could really care less about about having the FBI prosecute cases that are over 20 years old. I think I'd rather have them focus on stuff happening now, rather than in the past. Especially when I see things like this piece of trash walking around.

SAN FRANCISCO -- Despite being arrested at least nine times for molesting boys, Dean Arthur Schwartzmiller managed to avoid lengthy prison terms. He, instead, coached youth football and moved in with another convicted sex offender.
Schartzmiller, 63, now is considered by authorities as one of the most prolific child molesters in history. He is being held without bail on charges involving alleged assaults on two boys in San Jose, Calif.

Schwartzmiller's criminal record began 35 years ago, but he never registered as a sex offender and spent just 12 years in prison. In his time on the outside, police suspect that Schwartzmiller molested as many as 36,000 children in several states, as well as in Mexico and Brazil.

Wily, charismatic and "smarter than heck" is how James Kevan, one of his defense lawyers in the mid-1970s, describes Schwartzmiller.

"He could write up legal documents better than most lawyers," Kevan said Friday.

Often defending himself in court, Schwartzmiller got two of his four convictions overturned -- even though the Idaho Supreme Court called him a repeat offender who "uses his intelligence to take advantage of the weak and oppressed and those who are in need."

Police and the FBI are trying to retrace his movements over the last 30 years.

A search of Schwartzmiller's San Jose home turned up spiral-bound notebooks with notes on more than 36,000 children. Categories include "Blond Boys"; "Cute Boys"; and "Boys who say no" -- together with codes appearing to indicate how he abused them, said San Jose Police Lt. Scott Cornfield.

Messages left for Schwartzmiller's public defender last week were not returned.

In court records released Friday, authorities said Schwartzmiller lived for five years with another convicted sex offender whom he met in jail -- Freddie Everts, 34. The pair allegedly lured boys to their home with such gifts as skateboards, video games and a motor bike.

Everts said Schwartzmiller claimed to be dying from an undisclosed illness and was keeping notes on his "encounters with boys" for a manuscript, according to court records. Everts is in jail on charges that he failed to register as a sex offender.

Kevan, a former attorney now disbarred for having had drug problems, said he knew Schwartzmiller as Tim Miller -- one of Schwartzmiller's dozen or so aliases -- when they both lived in Mountain Home, Idaho. The town is near the Sawtooth Mountains.

When the two men first met, Schwartzmiller was coaching a youth football team.

"I helped him coach," Kevan said. "The parents all thought he was great. No one suspected a thing."

In retrospect, there were signs something was wrong -- such as the time that Schwartzmiller took the team to a game in Boise, said Kevan.

They "stopped in the desert to do a jock-strap check," said Kevan, who wasn't on the bus at the time and realized only later that Schwartzmiller may have been picking out potential victims.

By that point, Schwartzmiller already had been convicted of molesting boys. His record appears to date back to 1970, when he was convicted in Alaska of lewd and lascivious conduct with three teen boys. He was sentenced to two years' probation, then indicted again two years later for molesting another boy -- but he apparently fled Alaska before he could be tried.

Over the years, Schwartzmiller had been convicted of molestation charges at least four times. He was acquitted once and avoided prosecution on other charges. When he first came to authorities' attention, there were no Megan's Laws or three-strikes laws, and Americans were less aware of the ramifications and the severity of child sexual abuse.

He called on Kevan for help when he was facing trial in Idaho in the 1970s on charges that he molested two 13-year-old boys.

"I said: 'You've got to tell me what's going on.' He told me everything," Kevan said, outlining a history of molesting boys from Alaska and down the West Coast.

Even then, Schwartzmiller had been keeping notebooks of his victims, with "a couple hundred" boys' names, followed by numbers that described each boy's anatomy, Kevan said.

"The investigators didn't know what they meant. They didn't even take them," Kevan said. "I told him to get rid of them."

Mountain Home police Capt. Dave Pursell, who was on the force at the time, said he had no information about the notebooks. But he remembers Schwartzmiller well.

"He brought several suits against the sheriff here, against the state -- and against anybody and everybody. In Idaho statutes, there's a lot of case law related to Mr. Schwartzmiller."

Schwartzmiller spent about two years in prison on the Idaho charges before he appealed his conviction to the Idaho Supreme Court and won in 1978.

In 1979, two 14-year-old boys said he molested them, and Schwartzmiller fled again -- this time to Oregon, where he was arrested again. He was accused of bringing a boy from Little Rock, Ark., to San Francisco in June 1980. Authorities said Schwartzmiller had forced the boy into prostitution.

The U.S. Attorney's office, however, deferred prosecution to authorities in Idaho, where he served another six years in prison for molesting boys. By that time, Kevan had been disbarred, forcing Schwartzmiller to hire attorney Lance Churchill, who now works for a real estate company in Boise.

"He was famous as one of the best prison lawyers in Idaho," Churchill said of Schwartzmiller. "He was respected because if an inmate needed help in a legal case, he would help them out. If he saw an injustice, he would try to help the inmate. He was pretty well-liked out there."

In the years after Schwartzmiller was set free in 1987, he was arrested at least four more times for abusing children. He served three more years in Oregon, was freed and then repeatedly was arrested for violating parole and allegedly abusing other children. He won an acquittal in Washington state and fled, rather than face arrest on another warrant in Oregon.

Joan Cavagnaro, the deputy prosecutor who tried the Washington case, said she had no doubt about Schwartzmiller's guilt, though she had no evidence like that found in the notebooks. Child-abuse cases can be difficult to prosecute, Cavagnaro said, particularly when suspects target victims from troubled homes.

"Touching does not leave physical evidence," she said. "So you have one person's word against another. And in the context of chaotic, dysfunctional family settings, this makes it a very difficult crime to prove."

[Bart]

Ya know, sometimes, I could really care less about about having the FBI prosecute cases that are over 20 years old. I think I'd rather have them focus on stuff happening now, rather than in the past.

do you think there should be a statute of limitations for murder?

[Mraughh]

do you think there should be a statute of limitations for murder?

tough question Bart. No I dont think there should be one, however, this case was tried already and resulted in a hung jury. So the statue of limitations shouldnt be a factor since it was already tried. I think there should be a limitation on retrials definitly. The current poll on the jury is 6-6 which looks like it very well could be another hung jury. Are they going to keep issuing another trial each year after this until they get a conviction if it is a hung jury? Seems like a big waste of time and money to me. Feels like double jepardy.

Something that wasnt mentioned in KBs initial post was that there were 7 convictions for the three murders.

[keith758]

I'm pretty sure that the worst thing Byrd ever did while he was in the KKK was maybe some good ol' cross burning, a little taunting of some jews and maybe, just maybe, a witness to a little church burning or a Saturday night lynching. After all, isn't the KKK a benevolent organization just like the Masons or the Lyon's club?

Get real! If he was a member as he admitted he was, he was in an organization which openly perpetuates hate. Labeling it as a "Good Ol' Boys" club is asinine. Excusing it because he's from a "redneck" state, is equally assinine.

[Bart]

Excusing it because he's from a "redneck" state, is equally assinine.

i aint making excuses for bigots. i was giving a possible explanation on how he got into office. only rednecks would vote for a former clan member. do you think byrd would be able to garner support from the blacks and hispanics in NYC with his reputation? LOL.

[The Colonel(44)]

Edguar Ray found Guilty of Manslaughter,The State Of Mississippi and Alabama and Georgia has a horrfic past dealing with civil rights violations that during the 1950' and 1960's were state sponosered,If not in this lifetime but in the hereafter and account will be made for all that innocent blood spilled during that ugly era in American History,Don't just go after the poor redneck low element class but after all those Rich White Class that were in leadership as Governors,Senators,Legislators,Congressman who are just as guilty as (ERK) is in Philadelphia,Ms because they represented the L A W. :confused:

[Delta784]

While I of course don't support the KKK, what actions of Byrd should he be made responsible for other than his membership in the organization?

If it were a Republican Congressman that was a former KKK member, I can't even imagine the ****storm that the national media would unleash.

[keith758]

You hit the nail on the head, Delta. If a Republican were so bold as to even utter the word "Negro," he'd be condemned as a racist, yet it's acceptable for a Democrat to be a former(?) Klan member. Go figure!

[Delta784]

You hit the nail on the head, Delta. If a Republican were so bold as to even utter the word "Negro," he'd be condemned as a racist, yet it's acceptable for a Democrat to be a former(?) Klan member. Go figure!

He didn't join for the "social aspect", either. :rolleyes:

"I will never submit to fight beneath that banner (the American flag) with a Negro by my side. Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds." - Robert Byrd 1948.

[kbclawdog]

I thought this thread was about that Killen guy. How did we get on the subject of Byrd and his KKK past? What does that have to do with the horrible murders that Killen did and why justice should be sought for his victims and for society?

I am a bit surprised that on an LEO website, more people have not come out in disgust of what Killen did, instead of trying to divert attention from this topic. :confused: :confused:

Amen, I agree with ya 100%

[Delta784]

I thought this thread was about that Killen guy. How did we get on the subject of Byrd and his KKK past? What does that have to do with the horrible murders that Killen did and why justice should be sought for his victims and for society?

Any discussion of race relations in this country should include the pathetic double-standard the national media has.

Killen was found guilty, that's great. I hope he rots in prison for the rest of his life. However, Robert Byrd, a US Congressman with significant power, was a member of a disgusting racist organization that murdered blacks, exactly as Edgar Ray Killen did, and Byrd has gotten a free pass from the national media since day one.

[keith758]

Soleil, your knowledge of civil rights history is indeed lacking, as it was the Republicans which signed into law the civil rights act in 1964. The biggest dissenter concerning civil rights for Blacks was Al Gore Sr., a Democrat.

That being said, I'm glad that this bigot in Mississippi was found guilty. I hope he lives to be a hundred years old, and spends the rest of his pitiful life in prison. He is a boil on the *** of humanity.

[retired]

You hit the nail on the head, Delta. If a Republican were so bold as to even utter the word "Negro," he'd be condemned as a racist, yet it's acceptable for a Democrat to be a former(?) Klan member. Go figure!

I really don't agree that it's acceptable for a member of either party to to be a member of the KKK. ;)

[Dixie05]

I really don't agree that it's acceptable for a member of either party to to be a member of the KKK. ;)Wise up old Owl The KKK is for low element white trailer trash,the kind that fills up the prisons all across this country with the Rebel Flag tatooed on the arms,I will let you in on a secret The League Of The South based in Killen Alabama is one group that bares monitoring by Mr Morris Dees and the Civil Rights league,I am a member of the Sons Of Confederate Veterans,Iam for the old Guard,Keeping History alive on the BattleFields and Monuments for the Confederacy,however there is a faction thats for that League of the South and sypmathizer for the KKK alive and well are mixed in the SOCV but Iam not one thats for the KKK.Remember what happened to Majority Senate Leader Trent Lott from Mississippi at Senator Strum Thurmond 100 birthday bash,ole Trent made that famous remark that was his undoing,That had the Nation Voted for Strom Thurmond in 1948 a DixieCrate canidate for Presidency We as a Nation would not be in the Mess we are in today.That Faction is alive and well even in 2005 and are members of both political parties. ;)

[retired]

Wise up old Owl ;)

I'll try old exalted one. :p :p

[kbclawdog]

Hey Delta,

When people claim a Democrat to be a racist, they point at that racist person within the Democratic Party. But when people claim a Republican is racist, they point to the entire Republican Party. Why do you think that is?

Keith 758, as discussed in here before, it was a different Republican Party whom freed the slaves. In fact, the Republicans of that day would be the Democrats of today. The Democrats of the 1800s were truly racist, for an example, just read up on Lincoln

[1BAD-SS]

When people claim a Democrat to be a racist, they point at that racist person within the Democratic Party. But when people claim a Republican is racist, they point to the entire Republican Party. Why do you think that is?
Because most members of the media hate Republicans. I have to ask...are you saying that all Republicans are racist with your above statement? Sounds like you are painting with an awfully broad brush. You need to realize that if any politician thought that anything will get them (re)elected, they will do it. That includes doing or saying just about anything to get our ignorant electorate to vote for them.

Keith 758, as discussed in here before, it was a different Republican Party whom freed the slaves. In fact, the Republicans of that day would be the Democrats of today. The Democrats of the 1800s were truly racist, for an example, just read up on Lincoln

[keith758]

I find it interesting that Lincoln's Vice President is considered a racist, when in fact he signed into law the Civil Rights Act of 1866.

[kbclawdog]

I find it interesting that Lincoln's Vice President is considered a racist, when in fact he signed into law the Civil Rights Act of 1866.

Ok, Here's a history lesson. I am sure you will find this interesting as well.

Former Vice President to Lincoln and The 17th President, Andrew Johnson

http://www.socialistaction.org/news/199902/johnson.html

Johnson ended the Freedmen's Bureau and opposed all actions to give freed male slaves the right to vote. He refused to enforce the law when former slaves were prevented from exercising their rights by force and violence by the Southern police forces and/or the Ku Klux Klan, which was formed in 1865.

Johnson also supported the Black Codes passed by several Southern states. These codes said that unemployed Blacks were vagrants, who could be arrested and hired out to the highest bidder and forced to work for that person for a prescribed time.

Employers were also given the right to physically punish these workers. These codes also made it illegal for Blacks to bear arms.
To thwart Johnson's refusal to enforce the laws of the land, the legislature passed the Tenure of Office Bill-over Johnson's veto. This was done to protect the remaining cabinet officers and government officials that had been appointed by Lincoln and who tried to carry out the laws that Congress had passed.

When Johnson violated this law, even the moderate Republicans were for impeachment.
If Johnson had been impeached, Benjamin Wade would have become President. Wade was an advocate for land reform ("40 acres and a mule"), Black and women's suffrage, and radical Reconstruction.

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/john.htm

When Congress met in December 1865 for the first time since Lincoln's death, all but Mississippi had accepted Johnson's lenient requirements for readmission issued earlier that year through a series of proclamations. Though they approved the 13th Amendment abolishing slavery, the Southern states had restored the old elite to power and sent all-white delegations to Washington, including many former Confederate leaders. Outraged Radicals, joined now by the moderates, simply omitted them from the roll call, effectively denying them and their states admittance. The struggle over who would control Reconstruction was underway. In an inversion in constitutional reasoning, secessionists--and Johnson--argued that the states never left the Union, while some Radicals began arguing that they had, and should now be treated like conquered provinces, subject to the control of Congress. Their concept did not emerge triumphant until 1867.

Part Of The Reconstruction

Each state had to accept the Fourteenth or, if readmitted after its passage, the Fifteenth Constitutional Amendment, intended to ensure civil rights of the freedmen. The newly created state governments were generally Republican in character and were governed by political coalitions of blacks, carpetbaggers (Northerners who had gone into the South), and scalawags (Southerners who collaborated with the blacks and carpetbaggers). The Republican governments of the former Confederate states were seen by most Southern whites as artificial creations imposed from without, and the conservative element in the region remained hostile to them. Southerners particularly resented the activities of the Freedmen's Bureau (q.v.), which Congress had established to feed, protect, and help educate the newly emancipated blacks. This resentment led to formation of secret terroristic organizations, such as the Ku Klux Klan and the Knights of the White Camelia. The use of fraud, violence, and intimidation helped Southern conservatives regain control of their state governments, and, by the time the last Federal troops had been withdrawn in 1877, the Democratic Party was back in power.

Proclamation of Amnesty and Pardon for the Confederate States

Remember, the Democratic Party back then was same as the Republican Party of today.

He was a true Racist!

[The Don]

I find it interesting that Lincoln's Vice President is considered a racist, when in fact he signed into law the Civil Rights Act of 1866.That was done to punish and humilate the South for the Civil War :rolleyes:

[mosetti]

I really don't agree that it's acceptable for a member of either party to to be a member of the KKK. ;)

I don't think it is acceptable for any educated person to be a member of the KKK.