Polygraph

[marines1775]

I see there are allot of questions with people concerning the polygraph.

I know of only one Department that does not req. a poly. Does anyone know of any others, and if so, what are they?

Just remember, not EVERYONE has been perfect their entire life.

[hfy108]

Originally posted by marines1775
Just remember, not EVERYONE has been perfect their entire life.

NOBODY has been perfect their entire lives. The question is:

1. How less then perfect have you been? -and-

2. Are you humble enough to admit it when applying?

JK

[irishlad2nv]

Originally posted by marines1775
I see there are allot of questions with people concerning the polygraph.

I know of only one Department that does not req. a poly. Does anyone know of any others, and if so, what are they?

Just remember, not EVERYONE has been perfect their entire life.

Marines...being that I see that most likely you either served or are serving? With that in mind, it seems that you are looking for the "avoidance"? Meaning the polygraph. A polygrpaph is another tool departments use to weed out those who choose not to disclose what they were suppose to in the BI! You will find out that most small departments do not poly, because of the cost. If you are willing to avoid a poly, and go off of "not EVERYONE has been perfect their entire life" then you are wrong my friend and are choosing the wrong career if you choose to apply. No one in LE on here in their right mind will help you in looking for a dept. that does not poly with that comment you made...

[tripleb298]

There are no poly's in Michigan, statewide!

[irishlad2nv]

Originally posted by tripleb298
There are no poly's in Michigan, statewide!

WHAT??? Are you in LE? I know of at least a dozen agencies off hand that use a polygraph during the hiring process...what crack u been smoking?

[tripleb298]

I am a deputy outside Detroit. MCOLES regulations and Michigan Statute Annotated states that polygraphs are against the law in Michigan.

You might want to check Oregon, I also believe they don't poly either.

So put that in your pipe and smoke it!

[irishlad2nv]

Originally posted by tripleb298
I am a deputy outside Detroit. MCOLES regulations and Michigan Statute Annotated states that polygraphs are against the law in Michigan.

You might want to check Oregon, I also believe they don't poly either.

So put that in your pipe and smoke it! \


Where are you guys getting this from? I am looking at website as I type that require a Polygraph...and why are u helping this person out...as a LEO, you should know and by what marine typed that they are just doing it to avoid it...and put what in my pipe...the crack u are smoking too..LOL...come on...look at websites...seriously.

[tripleb298]

What's the website?

Unless the laws have changed since I went to the Academy in 03. That came directly from the police academy. Besides Michigan is a strong union state, if that law would have changed there would have been a major fight.

[irishlad2nv]

Originally posted by tripleb298
What's the website?

Unless the laws have changed since I went to the Academy in 03. That came directly from the police academy. Besides Michigan is a strong union state, if that law would have changed there would have been a major fight.

Michigan State Police for one and there are many others. I am just suprised that you would answer as to what dept. DON'T! I mean would u want to work with someone who avoided one because they do not have any intergrity?

[tripleb298]

I hate to break it to you, MSP does not! I have gone to their trooper orientations and they don't. Besides, I have a lot of MSP buddies who told me they don't. If you want i'll ask the MSP guys detached out of my building if they do when I see them tomorrow and thursday and I'm willing to bet my house on the fact they don't!

You still didn't show me where you found the information. Show me where you got that information? That comment MSP and others you know do polygraph, show me where!

Your answer to my last question sounds like some response I'd get from some inmate in the jail. (I read your post about how you said don't learn nothing in the jail! I had a little problem with that comment)

Lot of other departments in michigan poly, which one's? Show me which one's and I will believe you. I would be shocked because they don't.

As for integrity, the guy is leary about poly's. I know a lot of people who don't like them. I don't care for them but f it i'll take one. Last time I checked there inadmissible in court but we use them to determine job suitiblity, I have a problem with them. It's kind of like trampling on the fifth amendment for duress of job, but that's another discussion.

I respect that you don't want stroke's in your department, I agree I don't want them either. But who are you or I to say whether this guy is inadmissible for a job based on a f'ing web post.

Personally I don't want someone who is perfect working next too me. They scare me as much if not more than the inept cop, I at least can stay away from inept ones. Every cop who portrays themselves as perfect that I have worked with I don't trust, neither do many of my co-workers. There the ones that somehow windup with rats in there mailbox.

I think if this department does a thorugh BI on this guy ie criminal history, credit review, educational and personal references. As long as he's not a complete stroke, doesn't a lengthy record or numerous red flags but is a good worker and most importantly honest, I think many departments will hire the guy. If he lies or omits info in his BI or based on the BI, the guy's a stroke axe him!

To berate a guy for asking a simple question, i don't think is necessarily fair. This guy just said he isn't perfect. Last time I checked I wasn't. Oh I forgot, you are!

You take it that he's some sort of a f@#! up. Why don't we let the BI decide for this guy alright?

You know what I am tired of these discussions. I gonna to bed now so
why you are doing busy posting this bs all day, I am gonna do some police work.

[irishlad2nv]

Ah so again you must be one of those guys that avoided the poly also. Do I think hes a POS for not wanting to do one, you bet I do, because there are too many applicants out there that avoid them because of their background!

My post on what in the jail now?:confused: You following me around in here..LOL. Good for you, Hope you attempt to use this as an investigative tool.LOL

A complete BI does not reveal everything about someones past, therefor a poly an or voice-stress analyzer is a way to go, so that whatever you did not reveal in your BI comes out at this point. As I stated before, it's to weed out those individuals like the person who started this thread.

Real police work by going to bed.Congrats you know how to argue on here after a few posts you have made. Congrats.:rolleyes:

If you want to know which departments in you own state poly. Do a search yourself. I am not here ot justify for this person, so that they can avoid it at all costs.

Have a nice day and stay warm up there my fellow LEO buddy or you a jail guard?

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[irishlad2nv]

Originally posted by tripleb298
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[D Dog]

who are you or I to say whether this guy is inadmissible for a job based on a f'ing web post

Good for you tripleb298, its time people stand up to the young lad who acts like he's been in the business for years, knows everything, and twists everyone's words around to make them "inadequate" to his standards, the rest of you who PMed me and said "way to stand up to the lad", be vocal and stand up to him publicly, eventually he will get it.

[meyer75]

"Have a nice day and stay warm up there my fellow LEO buddy or you a jail guard?"[/QUOTE]



Whats with the bash on CO's? i did the job for almost five years.. props to these guys.. anyone who thinks its an insult to be called one is a moron.. they do a job most cant and they deserve the respect of everyone else in this "community". if you think otherwise you're a fool...

[marines1775]

Ok, if some of you have noticed, I NEVER said I was worried about it. I have just seen some people ask about the polygraph.

But hey, I will admit, I was not perfect my whole life. And if you were, then I sure would not want you watching my back in Iraq, or on the streets. If you were that perfect, you would probably stab me in the back.

For those of you who actually stood up for me, I want to Thank You. For those you who talked nothing but crap, remember, the poly is not admissable in court for a reason. And for all that time you wasted talking about how messed up I was/am, you wasted your time because you obviously know nothing about me.

So, I will leave you all with that little message and I hope you all had a wonderful weekend.

[aktrpr]

I agree with tripleb298's post of 2/08/05 8:08 pm. For more info look at www.antipolygraph.org.

[mash13736]

Mr. Marine.

Just be honest and don't do anything stupid now. I hope you get a job and rub it into the face of those who just rubbed it in yours. If your a Marine I am suree you know what "integrity" really means.

[D Dog]

Mr. Marine.

Just be honest and don't do anything stupid now. I hope you get a job and rub it into the face of those who just rubbed it in yours. If your a Marine I am suree you know what "integrity" really means.


ditto to that, there are a few here who think the are know alls of law enforcement, Marine, thanks for your dedication and service, take care

[VAsteve20]

Ah so again you must be one of those guys that avoided the poly also. Do I think hes a POS for not wanting to do one, you bet I do, because there are too many applicants out there that avoid them because of their background!

My post on what in the jail now?:confused: You following me around in here..LOL. Good for you, Hope you attempt to use this as an investigative tool.LOL

A complete BI does not reveal everything about someones past, therefor a poly an or voice-stress analyzer is a way to go, so that whatever you did not reveal in your BI comes out at this point. As I stated before, it's to weed out those individuals like the person who started this thread.

Real police work by going to bed.Congrats you know how to argue on here after a few posts you have made. Congrats.:rolleyes:

If you want to know which departments in you own state poly. Do a search yourself. I am not here ot justify for this person, so that they can avoid it at all costs.

Have a nice day and stay warm up there my fellow LEO buddy or you a jail guard?
LOL, you my friend are rediculous!
are you a background investigator? is it your job to decided if this guy is "police officer" material or not?
im not a fan of the polygraph either, why? well, they do more harm than good, its used as a scare tactic, you cant use the info gained from a polygraph examination in court, nor can you use it in the civilian world to hire or fire, counter measures can be used to beat the machine and the investigator lies to you trying to trip you up.
because i have this opinion am i also a piece of junk? because i dont want to take a poly, am i POS? LOL, rediculous.
The only department i am at all interested in administers a poly examination, am i thrilled that a machine can decide my carrer path? not really. Am i thrilled about the department i have the most respect for, using scare tactics to try and scare answers out of me? nope. Does it have to be done? yep...
life goes on, i just dont like the idea of psuedo science deciding my carrer path and aiding in the decision of a professional Background investigator to put my goals of being part of this particular department in the trash can.
You made it past the poly, you obviously have a one track mind, and your not very open to other opinions. do i thin your a POS? no not really. dont pass judgment on someone who is protecting your very own ideals of freedom and prosperity. just like i didnt pass those judgments based on your posts about you.

[ChrisLS]

Marines,

I'm in California, and the vast majority of agencies use the poly. I've gone through three myself with one agency, and will admit that while I've been told I have been completely truthful, the poly has been cited in being declined once. The best part: when I went back to the same polygrapher, they went over my "statements" from the last two sessions, and they had misunderstood what I'd said (they mixed up two words, which changed the entire context of the incident). They had reported this incident to the agency that had turned me down, and I thought I'd cleared it up. But when they sent the report to the agency that had put me into background again, they HADN'T CORRECTED THE ERROR! This REALLY ****ed me off, and frankly I think that it has raised the suspicions of the BI, since I've gone from a good candidate to a marginal candidate.

Interestingly, a lot of university police departments in CA don't use polys. I'm in background with one now which does not. I feel much more comfortable now, since the poly is only as reliable as its operator, and I'm seeing just how unreliable they can be.