Small or Big Dept?

[D Dog]

I'm curious as to what your thoughts are about department size. What are the pro's and con's of each department, say a small town/city of 50 or so officers versus a large county/city of 200+.

[BrickCop]

Listen kid if you are trying to become a cop you should apply and/or take the exam for any small or big PD in your area. ;)

[irishlad2nv]

Ditto because this topic has been brought up here I am sure and you should do a search on it if you are the intrigued to compare, etc...Brick is right...as always:)

[D Dog]

Actually "kid" (which I'm probably older than you), I can pick and choose the departments I want to work for because I have not 1, not 2, but 3 college degrees, 2 of which are graduate degrees, so unlike you, I am an asset to a department and not just a number. But back to my question, I was asking for purposes of understanding the organizational differences in how different departments are managed, but you probably wouldn't understand, so let some of the other more literate officers respond

[irishlad2nv]

Originally posted by D Dog
Actually "kid" (which I'm probably older than you), I can pick and choose the departments I want to work for because I have not 1, not 2, but 3 college degrees, 2 of which are graduate degrees, so unlike you, I am an asset to a department and not just a number. But back to my question, I was asking for purposes of understanding the organizational differences in how different departments are managed, but you probably wouldn't understand, so let some of the other more literate officers respond

3 College degree huh? In what? BA/BS...Masters? And really a department could care less if you have 3 degress. It is not a requirement, and you will be a number when it comes to it. Just because you have a degree...whats you job experience? Background? Whay are you applying into LE with 3 degress all fo a sudden, thats something they will ask you! And cool it with the sarcasm towards Brick...you are new here...watch out and you have been warned son!
Oh and one more thing...this is coming from the guy that sold crack at 13 yrs old too..LMFAO

[D Dog]

Perhaps the department you work for could care less, try moving out of Mayberry, Barney. Job experience is A++ Why am I applying to law enforcement? Because plain and simply, I can, I have options, financially set and stable and wouldnt mind cruising in a LE job for a few years. As for the sarcasm, you boys can dish it, so be able to take it. And who said anything about crack? hahaha, relax "lads". I asked a simple question, so if you dont have the answer just read it and go on, no need to try and get personal.

And as for departments "not caring" about education. This is from a department in NC. Pay:

Entry level pay for a High School graduate is $32,214.00
Associates Degree $33,826.00
Bachelors Degree $35,517.00
Top pay for a Senior Police Officer with a Bachelors Degree is $57,852.00 and can be obtained in approximately 9.8 years. (Pending council approval each year)

[VegasMetro]

I started my LE career with a small dept, 70 officers. I left after 3 years for a larger agency. Las Vegas Metro Police. Working for a large agency gives you the opportunity to specialize in certain areas. (SWAT, Motors, Air-Unit, Homicide..ect..) I guess working for a smaller dept, you have to wear all those hats. I also like the promotional chances on a larger dept. I would look into the pay and benifits either way you go, I would work in Mayberry if they paid well enough. Our Dept is always hiring. The voters just passed a sales tax increase which will put 1000 new officers on our streets over 10 years..(hopefully...) http://www.lvmpd.com

The state pays for your retirement 100%
Pay is great.. Im at $40.731 hr straight time, not topped out..
heres a link to our contract

http://www.lvpmsa.org/index2.htm

[D Dog]

Great thanks for the link! I'll def check it out

[VegasMetro]

Here is a link to other agencies pay and benifits. I know our union uses this to see the trends across the country for our contract negotiations...
http://www.policepay.net/

[irishlad2nv]

Originally posted by D Dog
Perhaps the department you work for could care less, try moving out of Mayberry, Barney. Job experience is A++ Why am I applying to law enforcement? Because plain and simply, I can, I have options, financially set and stable and wouldnt mind cruising in a LE job for a few years. As for the sarcasm, you boys can dish it, so be able to take it. And who said anything about crack? hahaha, relax "lads". I asked a simple question, so if you dont have the answer just read it and go on, no need to try and get personal.

And as for departments "not caring" about education. This is from a department in NC. Pay:

Entry level pay for a High School graduate is $32,214.00
Associates Degree $33,826.00
Bachelors Degree $35,517.00
Top pay for a Senior Police Officer with a Bachelors Degree is $57,852.00 and can be obtained in approximately 9.8 years. (Pending council approval each year)

Well you stilll have to get by the point that you sold crack before! And 3 degrees with not get you out of that. Since you did state in an earlier post that it was an automatic DQ at the dept. you are applying with. You are the one that stated you sold crack, therefore I was just repaeting to those who do no know you yet from your other posts...sarcasm...get it:) As far as the pay goes...hum nothing for a Masters, so like I said, they could care less.

Reason I got personal is you attacked Brick for making as joke and since you are new here that was uncalled for. Later.

[D Dog]

Once again "lad" it was a small baggie of marijuana, not crack, not cocaine, MARIJUANA, can u tell the difference or do they not have that in Mayberry? And as for the Masters, that helps to get in a position where the smaller minded "lads" like yourself are working under me, take care lad.

[irishlad2nv]

Originally posted by D Dog
Once again "lad" it was a small baggie of marijuana, not crack, not cocaine, MARIJUANA, can u tell the difference or do they not have that in Mayberry? And as for the Masters, that helps to get in a position where the smaller minded "lads" like yourself are working under me, take care lad.

Well as what was said prior on that post. You said it was a nickel bag...never mentioned it was MJ, so I assumed it was crack...my bad. However say what you want, I am the one with the experience, you are not. So you can made all the comments you want about my heritage "lad" that you want, I am proud of my blood and my job. However it is ironic that you mention Mayberry, we do have an aread called "mayberry", however if you want to mortify me and say I wil be working under you. Tough luck bud, with your MJ distribution you would not be hired by us either, so in 6 yr's if you think you may get hired, look me up, I will outrank you anyday my friend. The Masters degree...ho hum...get some LE expereince, then we will talk, because in a real dept, the experience is going to get you somewhere, not whether or not you have a degree to max out the pay for that dept, which it seems you are only after the money.

And one more thing. You are not in LE, so you do not have the right to even talk smack about any dept. there is out there or anyone in LE. Just some advice. :D

[D Dog]

awe its ok "lad", your right, education means nothing, its all about a GED and some LE experience right? I sense some bitterness towards those with education, deal with that somewhere else. You ruined the post bud, let some normal non-combative members respond to the initial question that you ruined, big or small dept. got nothing to say about that? Then make your own thread called "education is worthless".

[irishlad2nv]

Originally posted by D Dog
awe its ok "lad", your right, education means nothing, that is why after 17 years, your still a sgt. You ruined the post bud, let some normal non-combative members respond to the initial question that you ruined, big or small dept. got nothing to say about that? Then make your own thread called "education is worthless".

Actually I only have 5 1/2 yrs on and I am a Sgt:)...and really have no intentions on moving that far up. My education consits of an AA in CJ, and a BS in Sociology. So I have earned me education as well as you have. As far as your original question. It can vary as to what you want out of your LE career. If you want to move up with the education that you have, you can in a big department. But once you get to the Admin level, you are no longer out there doing the real police work. So that is something to think about. A small town, depends on how big they are. If it's only about 10 officers. Then expect to be a Patrolman for half your career. This question you raise has been dealt with on here before and wll you have to do ia search and you will get your questions answered.

[D Dog]

Thanks for the input on the benefits of various dept. sizes.

[Joebob]

Your initial response...

I was asking for purposes of understanding the organizational differences in how different departments are managed, but you probably wouldn't understand, so let some of the other more literate officers respond.

A couple of posts later...

I asked a simple question, so if you dont have the answer just read it and go on, no need to try and get personal.

and more...

can u tell the difference or do they not have that in Mayberry?

one last time...

awe its ok "lad", your right, education means nothing, its all about a GED and some LE experience right? I sense some bitterness towards those with education,

You sound a little sensitive, and hypocritical. But I'm sure you don't care.

Recruiting Lt.: "So Mr. D-dog, why do you want to work for Anytown PD?"

Why am I applying to law enforcement? Because plain and simply, I can, I have options, financially set and stable and wouldnt mind cruising in a LE job for a few years.

Recruiting Lt.: "Thank you Mr. D-Dog, We'll let you know." (crumpling paper sounds)


You will get hired quickly, probably get to skip oral interviews, polygraph's, psych tests, and just get hired directly based on your education. Then I'm sure your academy instructors will be so impressed with your three college degress, they will let you run the show. Same with your first supervisor. You've got it made D-Dog.

[irishlad2nv]

u are kidding right? just worked 14 hrs so my eyes are a little fuzzy....:confused:

[BrickCop]

Gee, how have I missed all the fun here? I have to catch up.

For a guy with (allegedly) 3 degrees you come off sounding pretty stupid. A moron with a GED can do a Google search on any PD in the country. You had enough time to get three degrees but cannot do your own research? :rolleyes:

This is the net so professing how brilliant you are means squat. How about actually getting on a PD first before claiming how great you are?

If you want to grace a PD, large or small with your wisdom get off your *** and take the exam like we did. Oh that's right you're not quite ready to explain away your past drug deals. No matter break out your degrees and arrogantly profess how much of a genius you are during your Oral Boards, if you get that far.

FYI, at the risk of disappointing you I work as a Sergeant in a large city so save your inevitable and feeble "Mayberry" cop references. I am also a college graduate...just like you! :rolleyes:

Spare me the BS about how great you'd be at a job you have never done and most likely will never do.

[irishlad2nv]

When did I ever mention "you'd be at a job you have never done"...??I lost me on that one, when I was backing u from your first post here...?

[BrickCop]

Lad I was talking to D(ip****) Dog not you brother. :D

[D Dog]

Thanks for your wisdom, yea your right, I'll never make it into LE, I am doomed. Thanks anyway...I'm off to seek another profession.

[Nocturnal11]

Originally posted by D Dog
Thanks for your wisdom, yea your right, I'll never make it into LE, I am doomed. Thanks anyway...I'm off to seek another profession.

I guarantee if you bring that arrogant attitude as a rook into any dept, you

[Delta784]

Originally posted by D Dog
Thanks for your wisdom, yea your right, I'll never make it into LE, I am doomed. Thanks anyway...I'm off to seek another profession.

Excellent.

I suggest that you run for public office. Your arrogant attitude will fit-in just fine with all the rest of the hacks.

Hey, "D Dog", I also have three college degrees, including a graduate degree from a state university. Guess what? I'm not that impressed with myself!

Considering that about 70+% of my PD holds a graduate degree, I'm not that impressed when an arrogant wanna-be complains that his college degrees don't nullify the considerable negatives in his background.

[D Dog]

will do thanks for the advice!!

[easy-e1]

Gee guys , Iam just a 10 year vet with no college. Does that mean I cant join in on jagging off thiscollege boy, I mean MAN.
HEy DOG, if you do go into police work AND are stoopid enough to have that Because I can attitude and you DO happen to make it, just wia til your first 2 week old DOA, or maybe your first hanging,or maybe a child who doesnt get clean diapers for 2 or 3 days, or maybe see a nice girl and in 2 yrs. see what heroin does to her. Or maybe call a mother and father at 5:00 in the am and tell them little Suzie died in a car accident. 3 degrees dont mean Diddly squat.
Because I can. Didnt Mr. Hand put something like that on his blackboard???
Well Mr SPicoli, I like that and to give you full recognition Iam going to put that up on the board for ALL to see"
Well alright" :cool:
Go be an accountant or somepencil pusher... :p

[JDHicks]

They should re-name this thread to "D Dog gets slapped down despite giant brain size, numerous degrees." If I understood how this "rep" worked, everyone would get it.

[D Dog]

lol, I agree, its funny to read some of these posts

[Puffy6460]

D-DOG,

I have read all your posts and wonder if you are really seeking employment from a law enforcement agency or just a "cop watch" member (a national anti-police organization that attempts to incite law enforcment officers into taking action against them and secretly filming the incident they caused in an effort to file B.S. civil rights law suits).

These organizations are very common around the college campus, a place that you have bragged to have spent a lot of time.

Maybe your on this site just to try to instigate conflict with police officers, so you and your hemp smoking friends can have something to talk about and as such should be banned from this forum by the moderators....

[irishlad2nv]

Ditto, Well put too Puffy:)

[D Dog]

PUFFY, u seem a little paranoid, perhaps you are doing a little too much hemp yourself eh?

[ftlaudcop]

:eek: maybe some fortune 500 company will pick him up ???

I don't have a degree, plenty of hours toward one,

and been F.T.O. , more yrs you can shake a stick at,

and alway got hi marks from my rookies.

I think mr mayberry, " he's a meanace to himself, and the safety of others" his evaluation will say.

best bet, sell aluminum siding or used car's.

www.schackdaddy.com

[cleetus0219]

No way will this chump ever get hired.

[Puffy6460]

PUFFY, u seem a little paranoid, perhaps you are doing a little too much hemp yourself eh?
Good one D-Dog!!!!

Your extensive education seems apparent with that snapy retort!!

I think we are all vendicated. :D

[D Dog]

right back at ya, Puffy