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JerzeeGirrl
12-21-2004, 02:58 PM
DALLAS - Near the end of her short life, Shayla Stewart, a diagnosed manic-depressive and schizophrenic, assaulted police officers and was arrested for attacking a fellow customer at a Denton Wal-Mart where she had a prescription for anti-psychotic medication.

Given all those signs, her parents say, another Wal-Mart just seven miles away should have never sold her the shotgun she used to kill herself at age 24 in 2003.

Her mother, Lavern Bracy, is suing the world's biggest store chain for $25 million, saying clerks should have known about her daughter's illness or done more to find out.

The case, filed earlier this month, has reignited a debate over the confidentiality of mental health records and the effectiveness of background checks on would-be buyers of guns.

"We know that if they had so much as said, `Why do you want this?' we would not be having this conversation because Shayla would have had a meltdown," said her stepfather, Garrett Bracy.

The Bracys said Wal-Mart's gun department could have checked Wal-Mart's own security files or the pharmacy department's prescription records before selling her the weapon.

Wal-Mart spokeswoman Christi Gallagher declined to comment on the lawsuit.

But pharmacy prescription records are confidential under a 1996 federal law, so stores cannot use them when deciding whether to sell a gun.

Also, Wal-Mart did a background check on Stewart, as required under federal law, but through no fault of its own, her name did not show up in the FBI database. The reason: The database contains no mental health records from Texas and 37 other states.

Texas does not submit mental health records because state law deems them confidential, said Paul Mascot, an attorney with the Texas Department of State Health Services. Other states have not computerized their record-keeping systems or do not store them in a central location for use by the FBI.

Federal law prohibits stores from selling guns to people who, like Stewart, have a history of serious mental illness.

Would-be buyers must fill out a form that asks about mental health. Stewart, who had been involuntarily committed to an institution and declared dangerously mentally ill by a judge, lied on that form, according to her mother's attorney's office. Wal-Mart ran a background check anyway, as required by federal law.

Michael Faenza, president and chief executive of the National Mental Health Association, applauds Texas' refusal to share information with the FBI database. He said it would not be fair to violate patients' privacy when there is no data to support claims that mentally ill people are more violent than others.

"The tragedies that families face when people are killed is terrible. And frankly I wish handguns were not so available in this country," he said. "But it's not right, in our minds, to make social policy based on just a few cases."

Garrett Bracy couldn't disagree more.

He and his wife watched his stepdaughter's six-year decline from straight-A high school student to violent and unpredictable stranger. She was hospitalized five times, twice under court orders. Her longest hospitalization, lasting a month, came in 2002 after she refused to leave her room or take her medication.

The suggestion that Wal-Mart should have checked prescription records infuriates Erich Pratt, a spokesman for the Virginia-based group Gun Owners of America.

"Does that mean mental illness prevents everyone on Prozac from owning a gun? Or women with PMS?" he said.

Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-N.Y., who ran for Congress after her husband was killed and son wounded in 1993 by a gunman on a Long Island Rail Road train, wants to strengthen the federal background check system by encouraging states to share mental health records. She has introduced legislation that would give states grants to automate and turn over the information.

She drafted the bill after a priest and a parishioner were shot to death by a schizophrenic man in a New York church in 2002. He, too, should not have been allowed to buy a gun.

"When you see these deaths that could have been prevented it's a shame," McCarthy said.

As the Bracys prepare for another Christmas without their daughter, they are urging lawmakers to support McCarthy's bill and dealers to conduct their own background checks.

"Lavern went to the store the other day to buy over-the-counter headache sinus medication and they limited the amount of sinus medication she could buy at one time," her husband said, his voice trembling with emotion. "But Shayla can walk into a store and buy a gun and they could care less. That's got to change."

1sgkelly
12-21-2004, 05:06 PM
How about we sue the parents for being stupid and uncaring for letting her out by herself?

:confused:

Every cloud has a silver lining, get rid of a crazy kid and win a lot of money in the great game of sue; don't you just love **** bird lawyers?

Delta784
12-22-2004, 02:42 AM
Did it ever occur to anyone that if she didn't get the gun, she probably would have jumped in front of a train, or done some other method of offing herself?

If I've learned anything as a cop, I know that someone who is serious about committing suicide will find a way to do it.

A few days ago, a woman in my city doused herself with gasoline, lit a match, and incinerated both her and her family's house. That's not a cry for help, she was the real deal.

The day after that incident, I had some "angst-ridden" teenager (translation = never got their *** kicked by their parents) make some superficial cuts on his arms, and he went to the hospital. Classic "cry for help".

It looks like Wal-Mart satisfied all the requirements of law. I really hope that the jury doesn't buy into the victimization theory that the plaintiff's lawyer will no doubt present.

JerzeeGirrl
12-22-2004, 09:33 AM
I agree. In fact, if it wasn't the gun it would have been an OD on her medication or something similiar. I'm not an expert but the signs seemed clear. This person was disturbed. It was not the retailer's responsibility.

When I filled out the forms for a permit I was offended that it asks if I've ever been treated for depression. I used to work with a police dept of 5 and 3 of them were on anti-depressants! They were allowed to keep their jobs. Are the rules different for those in LE? I'm not sure. And if a woman is going through a bad divorce and needs some therapy & meds, should she be denied the ability to protect herself?

I'm sure we can argue this issue forever.

kidscop
12-22-2004, 11:10 PM
Next they will sue the gun manufacturer for not making the gun crazy proof. Its not up to Wal-Mart to take responsibility for a woman with an issue they knew nothing about. Just because the 2 stores are 7 miles apart doesn't mean the employees knew anything about her history. The government doesn't belong in all of everyone's business.

dannmann1050
12-22-2004, 11:25 PM
This is a simple case of how the legal system is a joke. The courts actually entertain crap like this. Gee.. If I spill some coffee on myself, I'll so you. Give me a break. Hell.. Someone might sue me over this posting. Geesh

KBeecher
12-27-2004, 10:46 AM
If they have a right to sue, then shouldn't everyone have a right to know if "you" have ever been diagnosed or ajudicated as being a mentally ill person?

I believe that the requirement for buying the gun was that she fill out a form that asks those questions about mental illness. If she did not fill out form then walmart should not have sold her anything. If she fill out form and lied then she committed a crime to obtain a weapon, not walmarts fault. If she filled out form and indicated yes to the question about mental illness, she should not have been sold the firearm, walmarts fault.

And if she was mentally ill and her parents or guardian were not accompanying her or did not have someone to look after her, they were wrong.

It all boils down to whether or not she was lucid enough to answer the questions with a lie or if she actually is mentally ill or not.