SERIOUS QUESTION, please help! RE: Hitman

[twinklesinwv]

I have a serious question, please believe that this is serious. From a cop's perspective...I don't know if anyone remembers me, I was having problems with my soon-to-be-ex. I was told today by a woman who says that she will testify to the fact, that my soon-to-be-ex and his girlfriend (the biological mother of one of my daughters) had been looking into finding someone to kill me. Is it hear-say if she testifies to that? What will or can the cops do? I do not trust the local cops because he went to military drill with many of them, could the state police help me? I am afraid to tell the wrong person and risk him finding out that I know. If they do something, what can they do? Will they "talk" to him and tell him to leave me alone? Please don't mention a restraining order...it's paper and it won't save me, as many of you might know. I need facts please. I have three children that I am scared to death for. Please can someone help me?

[twinklesinwv]

One more thing...am I over-reacting? Many people believe that he is full of himself...

[Odin]

Buy a gun, get a CCW permit, learn how and when to use it. If he's all hot air you're better safe than sorry. If he comes for you at least you can defend yourself.

And still get the restraining order, FIRST.

[BrickCop]

Sorry I will mention the restraining order, if you are so in fear from him why wouldn't you consider it?

On one hand you are in fear but dismiss it simply as a piece of paper. You are in fear but do not trust the police because a couple of them were in the miliatry with him? You have to let go of the police conspiracy theory to get help. If you live in a city with a large PD your concerns are unfounded. If it's a small PD go to a Superior Officer with your concerns. Even if a couple of officers think your ex is a good guy they are not going to ignore or disregard a conspiracy to commit murder plot if what you say is true. That is assuming the officers who drilled with him would be assigned to investigate the case in the first place.

Have you reported the ex's alleged intentions to have you killed to the police? If not why not?

I always tend to roll my eyes when I hear someone say they do not trust the police. Domestic violence incidents are given a high priority especially with a victim who is willing to pursue the matter.

The bottom line you must report all your concrens to the police, you can then direct your questions to the detective/officer assigned to the case. They will give you more timely and accurate information than what you will receive on this BB.

[Bodie]

Guys !!!! Don't be giving any advise here other then to tell this guy to go see his local police an file a report etc. The CCW permint idea just makes people who are already scared more scared and now they have a GUN legally !!!!!!!! What are you THINKING ?????

[retdetsgt]

Originally posted by Bodie
Guys !!!! Don't be giving any advise here other then to tell this guy to go see his local police an file a report etc. The CCW permint idea just makes people who are already scared more scared and now they have a GUN legally !!!!!!!! What are you THINKING ?????

Problem is, if you ain't willing to kill somebody, that gun will be a liability more than anything else. Everyone seems to expect that all you need to do is learn to shoot and your problems will be over. I've had plenty of investigations where that was just the start of the problems....

[AUXOFC74]

I actually kinda believe this guy, its not all that uncommon. My father is an old retired vice cop, and someone literally tried to have him killed once as well. Only problem was they were talking to a detective. the rap.. Solicitation of capital murder w/peace officer specs. Dude was killed in prison. Anyhow, Go file a report. Do not buy a weapon, petition for a restraining order and try as best you can to subpoena a monthly AMA report from your phone company in case u need absolute proof of any mysterious or harrassing calls.

[Sleuth]

Bodie, I disagree about buying a gun. Here is someone who has a reasonable fear of death or serious bodily harm. You prefer they get a piece of paper, which outlaws routinly ignore. Do you protect yourself and your family with just a piece of paper? I think not. Being scared is no reason to not defend yourself. Have you never been scared? Didn't you want to defend yourself?

What this person needs to do is:
1. Contact either State Police or County Sherrif (depending on the state) if they live in a small town. If a bigger city, go straight to the homicide squad.
2. Get the restraining order.
3. Get a gun AND TRAINING.
4. If possible, move out of the area. A fresh start in a new area can be better than all of the above combined.

[Bodie]

This is the last guy that needs a CCW permit. He probably would shoot out of fear not to protect himself and it could be an officer that gets hurt.

[twinklesinwv]

First of all, I want to thank all of you for even answering me. Secondly, I am a female, which might not mean much difference, but he is physically stronger than me. That is a fact. He is trained for military battle and military police. I am looking into a self-defense course, but I am still scared that a one-on-one battle is not in my favor. Secondly, I don't even if they hire someone else to do it. I am sure it won't be face-to-face. I have had a gun for three years now and have never panicked with it. I will admit that if someone is standing over me while I am in bed, I will pull that trigger. I have three babies that I must protect. I am alone.

Thirdly, I have spoken today with numerous officials. I have told them what I was told. I have given them any information that they asked me. They live in Iowa. I have spoken to Iowa cops, who told me to contact my local dept. I contacted my local cops who told me to contact State Police. I talked to State Police and since they live in Iowa, there is nothing that they can do criminally. They said that I need to go through Iowa. After that, I contacted the FBI since everyone told me that it is the other's jurisdiction. The FBI told me to call the WV US District Attorney. I was afraid to do that just yet because that would still present the same problem with jurisdiction. Then, I called Iowa police back and talked to a different investigator and gave HIM all the information. He said that he is not sure what they can even do. Then he said they will talk to him, which I feel would put me into jeopardy. He then asked me, "what do you expect me to do?" I mentioned what I have read about setting up people in this situation with an undercover cop. I asked him to PLEASE not question my soon-to-be-ex just yet and that if that was all he's going to do, then I will find someone else.

Please let me clear things up about my "distrust" of cops. It's not that I don't trust them to do the right thing. If you had walked in my shoes for over the past two years, you find out that many people either don't want to be bothered or whatever else the reason. The few people that I ever do talk to that would help, they are usually not able to because of jurisdiction.

If I feel that I can't get help, what should I do? Why do I feel that people need my dead body before they will do something??

Keep in mind, I found all this out yesterday. I have called numerous places today. I never said that the restraining order was out, however, because this man can dodge court so many times makes me believe that he will dodge this. He and his family are like gypsies...they never stay in one place long. I know that the order will NOT be in effect until he is served. That won't stop me. Calling and being told "no" is still getting his name out there. I am preparing myself. I know about taping up my vehicle. I check my lugnuts. I have been trying to read about bombs and stuff to have basic knowledge. I know many people are irresponsible with guns, it scares me to have it in the house. But, I am responsible with mine. I just want to be able to carry it with me. I found out about the classes. I just don't understand what the procedure is for this type of situation...

What could cops do? I understand that they might be limited. What is the possibility of setting up an undercover cop? I don't want him to be questioned and it is no relief to me that if I die, my kids "might not" go to him. I have been told that enough times. I still have calls to make on Monday. Maybe a Domestic Violence Group could help. I don't want to have to run from him. I don't want to have to live in a shelter for the rest of my life. I want him caught planning my murder. I can handle what happens later.

Thank you again

[BrickCop]

If you were told to contact the WV US District Attorney then that is what you should do. You seem to have a lot of excuses for not following past police advice yet you make blanket criticisms about them for not helping you.

There are far smarter cops than I on this BB so maybe it's just me but something just doesn't seem right. I'm not questioning the veracity of your post but it seems strange that EVERY agency you contacted appears to be indifferent to the situation.

I'm sorry but your explaination of your police distrust is all over the place. In your first post you indicated that they would be biased because the were in the military with your ex. Now you say it's not distrust, it's that we/they have not walked in your shoes and that they (police) do not want to be bothered and/or get involved for "whatever reason". :confused:

Maybe the reason is you are blowing this out of proprtion, I don't know but you should not rely on this BB for the answers.

Good luck.

[Sleuth]

Bodie, you do amaze me. You can tell what a person is likely to do, just by reading a few posts on a net BB! WOW!!

As her later post shows, she already has a gun, and feels competent to defend herself. I too think she should call the Duty AUSA in Iowa, and see what answer she gets. Also, the FBI office in the area where they live deserves a call.

[twinklesinwv]

Originally posted by Sleuth
Bodie, you do amaze me. You can tell what a person is likely to do, just by reading a few posts on a net BB! WOW!!

As her later post shows, she already has a gun, and feels competent to defend herself. I too think she should call the Duty AUSA in Iowa, and see what answer she gets. Also, the FBI office in the area where they live deserves a call.

Sleuth...who is the "Duty AUSA"?? I don't have a clue. Second, is there a difference to talk to the FBI branch in another state??

I really appreciate the ideas and I will let you know what happens. Thanks again.

[Sleuth]

Duty AUSA - The Assistant U.S. Attorney, usually in the complaints unit of a larger office, who has the duty when you call. They are usually the newer attorneys in the office.

Calling different FBI offices does make a difference - mostly having to do with workloads, jurisdiction (while they can work nationwide, some agents don't want to take a report that will be worked in another office).

[sixpanel]

...and his girlfriend (the biological mother of one of my daughters

Secondly, I am a female...

That's an interesting situation...