Kerry to open his full military records

[6233108]

It will never happen. President Bush has opened his complete military records, C'mon John boy put up or shut the F&*K up.
Methinks something is in those records Kerry is afraid will ruin his chance at the Presidency.

[Netopalis]

LOL, I assume your source is CBS when you call bush a "deserter". Didn't Kerry go and betray all his fellow swift boat buds? Throw his medals away? Didn't stand behind his country? What makes you think he will now? Kerry can't even stand behind what he said five minutes ago or his war stories. Kerry says he's going to help the jobs in the U.S. when

1) The President doesn't have as much control of the economy as many think. If you think I'm wrong, go read the constitution.

2) Kerry thinks he

[Cougarman]

Neither Bush nor Kerry have much to brag about.

[ItsTheFiveOh]

Bush's war record?

Try the last 4 years as commander in chief? By the way, Bush hasnt based his entire campaign on his vietnam war record like Kerry has. Therefore, Bush has no need to prove anything.

If I saw I want to be a race car driver, and I will be the best race car driver because I won the Indy 500, naturally I would need to show support to back my claim.

Oh and last time I checked, the national guard was classified as "military." Since when did certain branches become less honorable as others? We are all on the same team.

Your argument would work if Bush said that he should be president again because of his service in the guard, which he hasnt.

(I may have gone off on a little OT rant there :D )

[Cougarman]

We are all on the same team.Quite true, unfortunately, many seem to forget this.

[Group 29]

All Kerry has to do is sign an SF-180 and this will all be over.

And, we will all get to see why he didn't get an honorable discharge until 2001, right before Clinton left office. I'm sure there is a perfectly reasonable explanation for why it took so long.

[Gooch]

What kind of a man goes before Congress whining about how terrible Americans were in Vietnam only to turn around 37 years later and proudly declare that he is "reporting for duty" on national TV? I agree with the original poster, "put up or shut up" already.

[Cougarman]

What kind of a man goes before Congress whining about how terrible Americans were in Vietnam only to turn around 37 years later and proudly declare that he is "reporting for duty" on national TV?Someone who exercised poor judgment in selecting his campaign advisor. There's no way a competent PR man would have counseled Kerry to use his military service as a qualification to serve as President knowing that he actively protested the American presence in Vietnam. Hell's bells, Vietnam was thirty-some years ago, how does what someone did in a totally different era have any bearing on what it takes to lead the nation today?

[Gooch]

Originally posted by Cougarman
Vietnam was thirty-some years ago, how does what someone did in a totally different era have any bearing on what it takes to lead the nation today?

The poor judgment he exercised when he went before Congress is the same poor judgement he is relying on now in choosing his campaign advisors. Should he be elected, let's hope it clears up before he starts appointing his cabinet.

[keith758]

Angel, President Bush received an Honorable Discharge. Deserters don't receive that. And by the way, President Bush NEVER went to Paris to speak out against the war and for the communists while the Vietnam war was being conducted. Kerry did. Bush doesn't have his picture in a communist museum in Vietnam commerating his contribution to the communist victory. Kerry does. Isn't that akin to treason?

[djack16]

Kerry should open his records for review. He has talked a lot about his service and it is long since due that he present them fully.

Hey Gooch. Kerry got shot at and has shrapnel in his ***. Bush seems to have shirked his duties while in the guard on several occasions. I think the worst injury Bush had during Vietnam might be a repeated stubbed toe while entering his defunct "fighter plane." Of who served better, I would choose the man who PREFERRED NOT to be given special treatment.

President Bush received an Honorable Discharge. Deserters don't receive that.
Uhuh.
The poor and minorities suffered massive casualties. Governor's sons don't suffer that I guess.

Honorably Served? He did neither to the high standards of the greatest military on Earth.
Keith...if you think a lack of dissent in the face of your government means you are more honorable and brave than those who do, then I wonder how view the anti-segregation rallies. Damn coon-loving liberals and their radical views!

Good point FiveOh, let's bring up Bush's last four years as commander-in-cheif. Bush has a terrible HOME record too. Let's not forget his terrible views on "religious freedom." He talks as if he understands what it means. His faith-based initiatives are unnecessary and unconstitutional. Now we have religious organizations, receiving federal funding, who are allowed to discriminate on the basis of the employee's religion? Of course Bush has provided his reason for not changing this. What did he say? Something to the effect of "I ain't gonna force them to change their ways. They can hire who they want!" It would be funny if it didn't actually hurt people.

Bush doesn't seem to care about cops too much; he decided funding the grant program that gives our local cops the means to fight the fight is not very purposeful.

I'm not going there with the war in Iraq either because I'm not going to totally rant about Bush. I rant enough about this screwed up administration as it is.

Cougarman...We may be on the same team but some of us aren't fair players.

Netopalis. What is that quote I so very love? "Support your country always, support your government when it deserves it." Let's see how Kerry deserted...I just have to see this.

[Jmax6900]

I would ANY day rather have not served overseas and caught criticism, than to do so and come back to speak out against my country or those I fought along side. Hanoi Kerry is a disgrace!! He is also a coward afraid to release his records, for fear that if he does, even his Democratic followers would surely drop him like a bad habit. He is sooo hell bent on bringing up his Vietnam service when given the chance. If he is as good as he says he is (and he's not), then what has he to hide?

I'm telling you, he is a snake in the grass.

[retired]

Originally posted by Jmax6900
I would ANY day rather have not served overseas and caught criticism, than to do so and come back to speak out against my country or those I fought along side. Hanoi Kerry is a disgrace!! He is also a coward afraid to release his records, for fear that if he does, even his Democratic followers would surely drop him like a bad habit. He is sooo hell bent on bringing up his Vietnam service when given the chance. If he is as good as he says he is (and he's not), then what has he to hide?

I'm telling you, he is a snake in the grass.

Everyone has an opinion, and some are different than yours.:)

[djack16]

...for example...mine.

I believe you were referring to Bush in that last sentence jmax. The only snake in the grass so far, proven time and time again, has been Mr. Bush. You are the corrupt politician's ace in the hole jmax.

[keith758]

djack16, I have no problem with dissent. What I have a problem with is a supposed "War Hero" openly condemning his country during a war and in effect prolonging the war as a result. Kerry's statements after he returned from his 4 month tour of duty caused POWs to be treated worse than they were being treated prior to his "dissent" and according to serving North Vietnam Generals, gave them reason to continue fighting. In essence, he gave aid and comfort to the enemy, just the same as he is doing now by constantly criticizing and condemning our efforts to fight terrorism.

As far as condemning me as a racist for my views on "dissent," I find it humerous that you liberals label any dissent against you as either "radical far right" or "racist." Try something a little more intellectual.

[jnhdrac]

I have heard that Mr Kerry was still an officer in the Naval Reserves while he was doing his "protesting". I have not seen anything to indicate otherwise, and I would find it logical that he remained a Reserve officer for some time after completing his overseas duty. I do not like Kerry, and if he was still a Naval officer while he engaged in those activities, I find him despicable.

[Jmax6900]

If Kerry is so honorable, then why is it he didn't get his "honorable" discharge until recently?

BTW, if anyone is corrupt, it's Kerry.

[retired]

Originally posted by keith758
djack16, Kerry's statements after he returned from his 4 month tour of duty caused POWs to be treated worse than they were being treated prior to his "dissent"

I have a friend I play golf with who was in Hanoi prison for five and a half years, and I posed that question to him, and he said it didn't have any effect whatsoever on their treatment. And he is a very, very strong conservative republican that despises Kerry.

[Group 29]

Originally posted by Jmax6900
If Kerry is so honorable, then why is it he didn't get his "honorable" discharge until recently?



The theory of every military veteran I have asked about that, suspects that the reason for that late honorable discharge, which is highly unusual, is why Kerry will not sign an SF180 to release all of his military records.

But, no one really knows, because he won't sign an SF 180. And, the chances of him doing it right before the election have to be less than zero. :)