Married to an EX-CON a Problem?

[statechick81]

I'm waiting on getting into the Mass. Dept. of Corrections and I was wondering if anyone knew about how much they care about who your associated with out of work.I know people in prison and people who have been in prison. Will that effect me in any way? Also I have a juvinile record and I got in trouble as an adult but everything was dismissed and I haven't been in trouble since.
Any insight will help.
Thanx

[Vegasroy]

When I got hired they wanted to know if I knew anyone in prison. They told me I could not associate with anyony until I had been off the job for 2 yrs, and the ex-con had been out for 2 yrs. We had a warden that had a friend that was married to an ex-con, the 3 of them went to dinner. The warden was fired because of it. If you tell them about your friend they could disqaulify you. If you don't tell them and they find out you will be fired. And they will find out. If you are not associating with them it will have no bearing on the job. Which is most important, your friend or your career?
Most states seal your juvinile record, unless you turned 18 while you were in trouble.

[Joseph]

Trust me they CARE. In La it's aginst the law to associate with a known felon and work in law enforcement. The ex con is also not her friend it's her husband. Who I'm sure also has friends. Sounds like a bad situation for the position she's trying to get.

[BadgerFan]

In our dept, they wouldn't hire you being married to a convicted felon who served time in prison

[statechick81]

so when they ask if im associated with anyone in prison or anyone who has been in prison i should tell the truth definatly but actually im not married to the ex-con but im just wondering about the future, just in case.i know someone who is jail for murder but we havent talked for about a year before he did it and havent talked to him in jail so i guess hes not actually my friend. i know that if im assigned to a prison and i know someone in there they have to transfer the inmate, correct? another question. after the initial drug test will they do random drug srceenings or just when something goes wrong and they suspect something?
Thanx

[BadgerFan]

You've got to be kidding me...you've "been in trouble both as a juvenile and an adult", you know people "in prison and who have been in prison" (including a murderer), and NOW you want to know when and how often they drug test. If you didn't do drugs, you wouldn't care

I highly doubt you'll be receiving any more "help" or suggestions from this forum

[keith758]

All of the replies are ignoring the fact that statechick81 is from Mass. Perhaps in the liberal land of the Kennedy's and the Kerry's, a checkered past will help!

[SMPPD87]

Originally posted by statechick81
so when they ask if im associated with anyone in prison or anyone who has been in prison i should tell the truth definatly but actually im not married to the ex-con but im just wondering about the future, just in case.i know someone who is jail for murder but we havent talked for about a year before he did it and havent talked to him in jail so i guess hes not actually my friend. i know that if im assigned to a prison and i know someone in there they have to transfer the inmate, correct? another question. after the initial drug test will they do random drug srceenings or just when something goes wrong and they suspect something?
Thanx

where should i address my letter of recommendation?:p

[Metro174]

Just look into another line of work. Save yourself, your friends and potential coworkers the headaches.

[statechick81]

for one thing i dont do drugs i know someone else who wants to do the same thing but they like to smoke pot(not me)dont pass judgement please.i know plenty of city cops and c.o.'s including lueitenants that smoke weed on a regular basis thats why i was wondering and as for finding another line of work thats not an option. i know what i want and i will get it.i try my best at everything i do and i will succeed.i know people in jail but doesnt everybody, their not my friends i guess you could say i just know them i choose not to associate myself with them.i do have a juvinile record but nothing serious and as for my adult record everything was dismissed and it wasnt even a big deal to begin with.i havent gotten in any kind of trouble since i was 18.

[BrickCop]

The only people I know in prison are the people I help put there.

You sure know a lot of convicts for someone who reportedly does not "associate" with them.

BTW, Believe it or not most of us don't know or associate with fellow cops "who smoke weed on a regular basis".:rolleyes: Also, why would you ask about the drug screening if you do not do drugs???

You will not convince most of us that you are qualified to become a police officer. If you are now on the straight and narrow well good for you but judging by your questions you have a ways to go in the judgement/common sense department.

Who do you think a PD will hire if it's between you and someone who does NOT smoke weed or "know" convicted murderers/felons or have a juvenile record????

I would wash you out in a heartbeat if I was your BI.

Try Burger King

[BadgerFan]

Originally posted by BRICKCOP
I would wash you out in a heartbeat if I was your BI.

Try Burger King I would wash her out also, as would any BI.

I'll have the #1 with no mayo, no cheese, and a large diet coke.

[Metro174]

Alright...go for it. Massachusetts is a liberal state. Best of luck to you. I don't live in Massachusetts so it's no bother to me.

If you don't like the answers you get here, leave. Not trying to be harsh but you wanted answers and you got honest ones. If you didn't think any of these things would be an issue, you wouldn't have asked about them.

If you get the job, see what compromising positions your friends can and will put you in. Bound to be a few. Worried about the drug test? Simple solution, don't smoke weed.

Believe me, the random drug tests are not that random. I've seen officers who were given pain killers due to serious injuries. When they come back they get tested quite regularly. Seen it at oher departments as well.

Know some cops and CO's who smoke weed? Well, last I checked it was still illegal. Turn their stupid a**es in. They don't deserve the job they have. Sure as hell couldn't have been too honest on their backgrounds. I sure as hell don't want to work with someone who's routinely doing bong hits.

No, most people don't know someone in prison. I am one of the few where I work that knew someone who had done any time. That was in a local jail not a prison. Only reason I knew him is because he was a distant relative. Wanna guess how much sh** they gave me on the background about it? It was definitely more than just one question. I swear I think the only reason it didn't disqualify me is because he was dead.

[kirch]

Around here, you'd have some real problems making it through a background investigation. But who knows, maybe MA has looser hiring standards <shrug>.

If I were in charge of hiring for this position, there's no way you would stand a chance. You exhibit some big red flags:

1. You knowingly associate with a criminal element, and seem to even be thinking about marrying an ex-con.

2. You have a cavalier attitude about illegal drug use (whether you do them or not is a moot point). And you come across as pretty tight with officers (and a lieutenant) that smoke marijuana. Not exactly stellar role models for your LE career.

3. You have a history of run-ins with the law. I don't care if your juvenile records are sealed and your adult charges were dismissed. Good candidates typically do not get themselves into trouble, especially if they're considering a career in LE.

But hey, what do I know? Go ahead and apply if it's your dream. But I think you'd better have a backup plan in place.

[BrickCop]

I live in Massachusetts and can tell you that with reasonable certainty she will not get hired. I'm not in Corrections but I know they would not appoint someone of her "caliber".

[statechick81]

I DO NOT DO DRUGS!!!!! I tried explaining that but you didnt want to here it. Its not like i care what you think anyway but its the point.For one i would never work at burger king but if i did you wouldnt want me waiting on you ill tell you that.All you people think your the *****,but your not. If i get in i do if i dont i dont.

[kirch]

Good attitude. I hope you're a troll, because I'd like to think anyone REALLY looking to get into LE wouldn't be this clueless (and apathetic).

[statechick81]

What are you talking about?Yeah maybe it was stupid for me to share this information with a bunch of guys who think they know everything. some of you are helpful and kind but most of you are rude and pass judgement. but whatever i guess this is the place to do it. I know a woman who was 45 when she got into corrections she had a previous d.u.i. offense, used to be a ver heavy cocaine user, smoked weed daily,and had a son who just got out of prison for 4 years for drugs among other charges. i cant say i know if she told the truth when asked i assume she withheld some of that information but she worked in a womens prison for almost a year then decided to resign because she couldnt deal with the mental part of it , cutting people down and other stuff. she also smoked 3 packs of ciggarettes a day, had a lung capacity of a 71 year old and still made it through boot camp, so maybe these are the reason why i thought and still do think i have a chance. but then again i do live in mass where people can do what they want, right?

[BrickCop]

Sorry to upset you with facts but you came on asking for information and that's exctly what you got. If you are this upset by reading an internet BB how will you react when a bunch of inmates start verbally abusing you???

BTW I for one would not care about a drug test if I did NOT use drugs, that was my point. You don't do drugs- that's great, then why the question?

Thank you for proving my point for me that you do not belong in Law Enforcement.

[x5150x]

Originally posted by statechick81
What are you talking about?Yeah maybe it was stupid for me to share this information with a bunch of guys who think they know everything. some of you are helpful and kind but most of you are rude and pass judgement. but whatever i guess this is the place to do it. I know a woman who was 45 when she got into corrections she had a previous d.u.i. offense, used to be a ver heavy cocaine user, smoked weed daily,and had a son who just got out of prison for 4 years for drugs among other charges. i cant say i know if she told the truth when asked i assume she withheld some of that information but she worked in a womens prison for almost a year then decided to resign because she couldnt deal with the mental part of it , cutting people down and other stuff. she also smoked 3 packs of ciggarettes a day, had a lung capacity of a 71 year old and still made it through boot camp, so maybe these are the reason why i thought and still do think i have a chance. but then again i do live in mass where people can do what they want, right?

So...if you already know of someone like that ^^^^ then why are you asking us those questions? If she got the job then you should have no problem, right?

Usually when someone "has a friend" they are actually referring to themselves...I know you said you don't use drugs, but with all of the drug users you associate yourself with it wouldn't matter...you would be considered just as bad.

Let me give you some good advice: Keep up your current lifestyle, go to your local law enforcement agency, tell them what you told us and even those things you didn't, and explain that you want to use your connections and background to go deep undercover and make cases against the bad guys. I'd bet they'd "hook you up" in a second and probably would let you work undercover in the jail/prison. I know for a fact that law enforcement agencies are always "looking" for people like you.


:cool: ;)

[LockDown]

Future mark? :(

"Hey C/O, could you mail this letter for me? I won't tell anyone."

:eek:

Honestly, try something else. Maybe Animal Control or Park Ranger. Those are still respectable jobs, but if you have the possibility of being weak as far as criminals go, don't do corrections. PLEASE!

[mjherbe44]

Last I heard your juvenile record can be looked at when your applying for a postion in LE and any postion that will be dealing with children such as a teacher.

[statechick81]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by LockDown
[B]Future mark? :(

"Hey C/O, could you mail this letter for me? I won't tell anyone."


Im sorry if you think you know me. I want to be a corrections officer for a reason,because i will follow the rules and i know i will be good at what i do, but according to what everyone says i guess i dont have a chance, i'll see as far as it goes and once they realize what a bad person i am then they'll send me on my way. i just really do think its wrong in a way to hold some things against a person, yeah i've had bad judgement in friends when i was younger, yeah my boyfriend went to jail before, does that mean i'm not a good person or i can't do my job? as far as the drug question i already explained that i have a friend who wants to be a c.o. but he smokes weed, he knows he has to get drug tested but he also knows c.o.'s who smoke and he doesnt have a computer so thats why i asked the question.
i have no reason to lie about that.i know you guys are gonna have something to say about this post, your gonna pick it apart and find something wrong with it.and about me being angry about a stupid post and how will i act when an inmate harrasses me, i'm not angry, just because i reply with an attitude ,i'm calm, cool, and collected. Would it be better if i sat back and let someone walk all over me? Is that how you guys do it?

[BrickCop]

:rolleyes:

[str8flush]

This has to be the funniest post I have read in a while! Thanks for the entertainment!!

Ever heard of the saying, birds of a feather flock together! lol Really mom, all my friends were smoking pot, I wasn't! I would never do that!!

[kirch]

yeah i've had bad judgement in friends when i was younger, yeah my boyfriend went to jail before, does that mean i'm not a good person or i can't do my job? No, it means you used poor judgment in the past and haven't learned from your mistakes. Not the kind of person I personally want to see in a LE environment. Date your ex-con boyfriend to your heart's content, there's nothing wrong with that. But don't expect it to be overlooked in your application process.

And you keep referring to all these people you know that smoke weed, do drugs, etc. that are currently in LE like it's some kind of excuse that the standards are loose enough for you to be hired. If everything you say is true, then it sounds like the standards out there need to be tightened.

[BadgerFan]

"statechick" is clearly someone we all see as non-hiring material, and this thread is rehashing the same thing over and over...thread lock anyone?

[rgv_cop]

before its locked, can i have a liter of cola?
hehe, sorry guys, had to throw in a bit of humor. :D

[SaNdMaN]

Statechick, everybody is being harsh because that's what the job does to you...If you had done it then you'd understand...

I did one year in the County (as a Deputy, not an inmate) then went to a city agency where I have been for five years...

Immediately, when you ask about being married to an "ex-con" the typical things are popping into my mind: He's either a violent offender or a drug offender...Maybe he's not, but you develop an analysis, prejudice, if you will, because it's necessary...

Now, the question pops into my mind, why would someone who is marrying a P.O.S. want a gig in LE? Only the bad thoughts come to mind...Also, if he's a felon and you get married, he won't be able to reside in a house with a firearm...

Now, objectively look at it...In the mind of law enforcement, marrying a convict (I have yet to meet an "ex-con", it seems to me that I keep arresting them over and over) is a bad judgement call, and in your case it would be recent...They will find out about it and they will not overlook it...

My advice, ditch the ex-con, go ahead and test, be honest, and if you don't get hired make the suggested changes in your lifestyle as given by the agency of choice to make yourself marketable...

[Marine_Infantry]

I'm waiting on getting into the Mass. Dept. of Corrections and I was wondering if anyone knew about how much they care about who your associated with out of work.I know people in prison and people who have been in prison. Will that effect me in any way? Also I have a juvinile record and I got in trouble as an adult but everything was dismissed and I haven't been in trouble since.

I've been reading your posts and I'm disgusted that your talking about my department like its a joke.
I'm an Officer with the Massachusetts Department of Correction at a maximum security prison.You WILL NOT get hired,especially with your background and attitude.This may be a liberal state,but the Officers in this department are far from being liberal and the inmates we have are all predatory and dangerous and will eat you alive.You WILL be drug tested.You WILL go through a 10 week long paramilitary style academy where the Drill Instructors WILL yell at you and PT you.So stop playing and go back to flipping burgers.

Semper Fi,