Sydney riot

[geordiecop II]

The BBC showed a documentary last night about a rundown area
of Sydney,which in February descended into public disorder.

With this is in mind, could anybody tell me what public order/riot
training the average Australian cop on the street receives.
How does this compare with any specialist teams you have.

Cheers.





:)

[NSWCop]

A brief reply to your question as to the amount of riot training given to the average Aussie cop: SWEET BUGGER ALL!!

In NSW we have a specialist squad called the Operational Support Group, who are trained to deal with riots, demos and large scale public order issues.

UNFORTUNATELY, these cops do this PART TIME. There is no full time riot squad as such!!

Yes we do have the Tactical Operations Unit as part of the State Protection Group, however their's is a different mandate altogether.

At the moment, there are at least 4 enquiries running in relation to the riot and it's causes:
(1) A Coroner's Inquest into the death of Thomas J Hickey, whose death lead to the riot,
(2) An internal Afairs investigation into allegations that Police were some-how responsible for said death,
(3) A Police Intergrity Commission investigation as above, ('cos you can't trust those lying coppers),
(4) A parliamentary enquiry into the riot, living conditions, policing, drugs, etc..which will no doubt bring in a split decision divided on "party" lines..

That doesn't include the media "probes and investigations" all "in the publc interest" of course...

Meanwhile, drugs continue to be sold, assault and robs still happen, teenagers still hurl missiles at the odd passing police vehicle, in other words, business as usual :cool:

[ChrisF202]

So i guess that part of Sydney is comparable to South CEntral LA here, its a shame that so many people have no respect for LEO's. I mean without the the work done by you guys civilization would collaspe.

[geordiecop II]

I believe that Australia has relatively little recent history
of major riot or public disorder,or am I wrong on this point.

Anyhow, with the recent events in Sydney, does anybody
predict that Aussie cop's will now get some kind of input
to hopefully restrict the number of injuries suffered in
future.
Here in the UK my force stipulates that all operational
officers under the age of 40 must take part in at least 2
public order training days each year,with usually a further
day FIBUA training down in Yorkshire.
I'm with my forces Territorial Support Group,so have the
benefit of doing public order training at least once a
month.
Its frightening think of officers going into riot situations
without even a basic tactical awareness. :(

[twincam]

Those were race riots -- let's call it the way it is.

As police, you should get used to dealing with more of these as your politcial leaders continue to bring in more unassimilatable third-worlders.

[ChrisF202]

As police, you should get used to dealing with more of these as your politcial leaders continue to bring in more unassimilatable third-worlders.
Thats a problem here. A few months ago at the Long Island Hispanic Soccer League Championship (or someother kind of Hispanic soccer game), an undercover Nassau County Police officer arrested a Hispanic man after he tried to sell cocaine to minors. As the officer led him away, at least 200 people in the stands began to pelt him and over a dozen offiers were injured and it required both the mounted unit and ESU over 20 minutes to put the riot down. They also give the cops the finger on patrol, amongst the usual (public drunkeness, drugs, public urination, rape, staring at women, loiterring, etc). Its insane, do these people have any concept of law and order? We have over 10 million illegal immigrants here and almost a million more coming per year, in addition to similar numbers of legal immigrants. It seems to me that very few assimilate. We need to put a huge limitation on immigration.

[twincam]

i brought this subject up on another message board--
http://forums.officer.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23492

too bad. most White cops (atleast from what I've gathered on these message boards) have been brainwashed into multicuturalism and "equality" beliefs

[NSWCop]

Originally posted by twincam
i brought this subject up on another message board--
http://forums.officer.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23492

too bad. most White cops (atleast from what I've gathered on these message boards) have been brainwashed into multicuturalism and "equality" beliefs

:eek:

Well, that's me gone. See ya later folks...

[co911]

"In NSW we have a specialist squad called the Operational Support Group"

Isn't it accurately called the Operations Support Group?

"UNFORTUNATELY, these cops do this PART TIME. There is no full time riot squad as such!!"

Doesn't the Inner Metro Region have a full time OSG compliment?

Are you, or have you ever been a member of the OSG or is this guesswork?

ChrisF202, you have lost me. How do you know the suspects in the riot were illegal immigrants? Am I an immigrant? Am I legal? How do limitations on US immigration (which already exist), affect the numbers crossing the borders? What do you suggest the US do? The vast majority of legal immigrants never break a law. Your post is unstructured and unsupported by empirical evidence.

[Azzuri]

The cops just standing there in the line getting hammered by everything ranging from bricks/stones, faeces, steel poles, bins to molotov cocktails etc, were supposedly ordered by their senior officers (who were conveniently not on the front line enjoying the shower) to stand fast..

Appears the ol' "wait till their throwing arms get tired" tactic didn't work out in this case.

Appears no guts from the CO's nor their political masters to allow the threat to be dealt with..for fear of upsetting the poor impoverished innocent inner city folk even further..

Looks rather bad on the international scene if the nsw police were actually seen to take control of the situation, in full view of those strategically placed nice media folk & their cameras...

:confused:

[ChrisF202]

ChrisF202, you have lost me. How do you know the suspects in the riot were illegal immigrants? Am I an immigrant? Am I legal? How do limitations on US immigration (which already exist), affect the numbers crossing the borders? What do you suggest the US do? The vast majority of legal immigrants never break a law. Your post is unstructured and unsupported by empirical evidence.
I suggest you take a trip to Farmingville or Brentwood NY and walk down the street at night, or how about Los Angeles, Miami, etc. You tell me how good and peaceful these immigrants are. The limitations are not enforced in any way. Ive been told (on this forum and others) that BICE will not come to pick up illegals from a local PD or Sheriff's Office, etc unless there is more then 100. If your a cop, what town/county, etc are you in?

[co911]

I don't need to Chris, we have immigrants in my city, but not all of them are illegal nor are they criminals. Neither are all illegal immigrants criminals. I can walk into any trailer park in my jurisiction and see native born citizens who are criminals. The vast majority of crimes in the US are committed by US citizens, so what is your point? You didn't answer my questions by the way.

[NSWCop]

Originally posted by co911
"In NSW we have a specialist squad called the Operational Support Group"

Isn't it accurately called the Operations Support Group?

"UNFORTUNATELY, these cops do this PART TIME. There is no full time riot squad as such!!"

Doesn't the Inner Metro Region have a full time OSG compliment?

Are you, or have you ever been a member of the OSG or is this guesswork?. .............


(sigh..)

No, it is not accurately called the Operations Support Group. It is the Operational Support Group.

No, the Inner Metro Region does not have a full time OSG compliment. The Inner Metro Region encompasses, amongst others, the Redfern LAC. (The sitre of the riot).
The OSG would then have, logically, been deployed at the Redfern riots. Because, no matter what your opinion of Australian police, we are, and some of our bosses are, somwhat competant!

No, I have never been OSG trained. I have stated so in the past, and make no bones about it.

No, it is not guesswork. I am actually a member of the NSW Police Force. Then again, as you have so tellingly ripped my credibility to shreds, I may not be. \
I could be, oh, say, a ballistic vest salesman from Boulder Colorado, now couldn't I??? :cool:

I don't expect you to believe me, so have included the following:

Riot News (http://news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,10004700%
255E1702,00.html)

and then theres:

OSG Fitness (http://media.uow.edu.au/archive/oldbytes4/media/police.html)

and of course:

Police Want Riot Squad (http://news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,9779499%255E421,00.html)

I could direct you to the Police Association Website, but you would not be able to access it.

[NSWCop]

To ChrisF202 & twincam:

Yes, the riot in Redfern was a 'Race Riot". However, the only "illiegal immigrants" involved were the Police. :cool:

You see, the instigators of the riot were Aboriginals (The indigenous race native to Australia). So, I suppose in their eyes, we (the police) are the illegals.!!

Sorry I don't mean to make light of your problems over there, but I just wanted that cleared up.

[co911]

Crikey, no need to take things so personally cobber. I'm not trying to rip your credibility to shreds at all. (On the subject, claiming that I come from Boulder is highly offensive, or that I'm anything other than a cop. Check your PM's).

I was told that OSG stood for Operations Support Group, but I'll tell the OSG operative who told me this that he is wrong. (Just because the media spell it OperationAL , doesn't make it right. They also label the SPG as the "Special Protection Group"). Tell you what, call an OSG unit, try Wetherill Park where the OSG and Operational Safety Trainers teach fulltime, and ask them what "OSG" stands for. I'll wait for your response.

"The OSG would then have, logically, been deployed at the Redfern riots".

"Logically"? You use the term "logically" in a post about the NSWP? Come on now mate, we both know that OSG operatives arrived on scene at Redfern but the Commanders decided against using them.

PS
Two of your links don't work.

[NSWCop]

Originally posted by co911
Crikey, no need to take things so personally cobber. I'm not trying to rip your credibility to shreds at all. (On the subject, claiming that I come from Boulder is highly offensive, or that I'm anything other than a cop. Check your PM's).

I was told that OSG stood for Operations Support Group, but I'll tell the OSG operative who told me this that he is wrong. (Just because the media spell it OperationAL , doesn't make it right. They also label the SPG as the "Special Protection Group"). Tell you what, call an OSG unit, try Wetherill Park where the OSG and Operational Safety Trainers teach fulltime, and ask them what "OSG" stands for. I'll wait for your response.

"The OSG would then have, logically, been deployed at the Redfern riots".

"Logically"? You use the term "logically" in a post about the NSWP? Come on now mate, we both know that OSG operatives arrived on scene at Redfern but the Commanders decided against using them.

PS
Two of your links don't work.


Mate,buddy,pal....

You say potatoe, I say potartow...

I have only ever called OSG Operational, I have only ever seen it refered to in official corro' as Operational, I have only ever heard it refered to as Operational. But of course, if some-one once told you it is Operations, well, I stand corrected!
(By the way that was a sarcastic, tongue-in-cheek response, as was the Boulder reference - just thought I would make that clear..):D

As I recall, I didn't make any reference as to the use or otherwise of the OSG at Redfern. I wasn't there, I wasn't making the decisions, I have no intention of playing armchair tactician!!
I was replying to a specific question/assertion of yours that there is s full time OSG based in the Inner Metro Region. I pointed out that if this was so, it would have been used.
But you know how stingy the State Government is. It would never pay a bunch of full-time OSG coppers to sit on their duff, waiting for trouble. (Shades of the TRG!!)
If the OSG turned up at Redfern, it would have been chiefly comprised of coppers from other stations, OSG trained, but part-time OSG never-the-less.
I hope that clarifies stuff...
As for the links, sorry...the bloody http:// adresses were 50 million characters long, probably misplaced a letter somewhere. :cool:

[ChrisF202]

Originally posted by NSWCop
To ChrisF202 & twincam:

Yes, the riot in Redfern was a 'Race Riot". However, the only "illiegal immigrants" involved were the Police. :cool:

You see, the instigators of the riot were Aboriginals (The indigenous race native to Australia). So, I suppose in their eyes, we (the police) are the illegals.!!

Sorry I don't mean to make light of your problems over there, but I just wanted that cleared up.
You are right in a way lol. I guess pretty much anyone is the US is an illeal immigrant or descended from them (except the indians) ;)

[twincam]

Originally posted by co911
Neither are all illegal immigrants criminals.

That statement is false.

Illegal means not lawful.

"illegal" = criminal

"illegal immigrants" means they are criminals. That's why they are called ILLEGAL immigrants.

I was right when I said many police have been brainwashed by multicultuarlism and sensitivity training.

[co911]

Well jeepers twincam, I didn't realize they were criminals, heck, go round them up! Take your time. Guess I'm brainwashed...

[gazza]

Yep most wallopers in Aussie dont to my knowledge and i may be wrong have a full time riot control group spose us lot in the Prisons are lucky where we do...we have even had to help out some of our local lads with cell extractions as none had been trained in it ..i think now the SOG here are..........i feel safer working the nicks wouldnt be a copper for all the tea in china....then again they are paid more than us nowadays.......naaaaa bugger that:)

[twincam]

Originally posted by co911
Well jeepers twincam, I didn't realize they were criminals, heck, go round them up! Take your time. Guess I'm brainwashed...

OK I'll round them up. Just deputize me and I'll do it for NO CHARGE to the taxpayers.

I'm sure I could round up 1000's more fed up citizen to help once word got out.

In Malaysia, they're kicking the 3-worlders (a million of them) -- can't support them anymore.
And they commit too much crime---just like here in USA!
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The Malaysian government says it plans to expel more than a million illegal migrant workers.

The country's Home Minister says 400,000 members of Malaysia's volunteer corps will be mobilised and special squads are already being trained to enforce their removal. No official reason has been given, but there is widespread concern in Malaysia about rising levels of crime. The government estimates that there are around 2.5 million foreign workers in Malaysia, forming around 10% of the population, and that half of them are here illegally.

Forced removal

Home Minister Azmi Khalid warned the businesses that employ the illegal immigrants not to complain when their workers are rounded up. "We are serious," he said. Then, the government said it had taken action because illegal immigrants were responsible for an increase in crime.

Fear of crime

With the Malaysian papers full of reports of violent robberies allegedly involving foreigners, crime may again have prompted the authorities to take a tough line. However, the minister didn't spell out exactly when the round-up would take place.He said illegal workers would be thrown out before Malaysia completes the introduction of its new microchip identity card, but no-one seems to know when that will be.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3889217.stm

Okay for Malyasia but not okay for America? now why would that be, it cant be because America is better, more compassionate etc because we are all equal. No because Malyasia is non-White.

Where are the demonstrations outside the Malaysian embassy? they crying, the muling, the demands from the ADL for tolerance and diversity. All is strangely silent.

Every country has the right to protect its borders from illegals and economic parasites....even White Countries.