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Pard
06-13-2011, 08:30 PM
Simple question. As a LEO, where do you want people (who you are pulling over) to pull over? Should people pull over ASAP or should they reduce speed and find a place that is safe for the officer to exit the vehicle and such?

A lot of the streets around me have no break down lane but have very high speeds (35, 40). I have never been pulled over, but yesterday a cop came down the roads w. lights and sirens so I quickly pulled over. After he passed I realized that had he been stopping me and I had pulled over there he would be in serious threat of being hit. That happened to a Troopers last year. I thought about the guy who was being pulled over. I'd feel part of it was my responsibility for not finding a safer place for the officer to get out. (Not to victimize the guy being pulled over, mind you. Just an honest assessment.)

SRT936
06-13-2011, 08:32 PM
We pick the spot of the stop, not you. The average citizen has NO IDEA what a safe place to stop is. Pull over TO THE RIGHT as soon as the lights come on. Do NOT dynamite the brakes, but please come to a safe stop.

Pard
06-13-2011, 08:36 PM
Is that why cops will tail you for a while and then throw up the lights?

Curious, not so I can go and look for the safe spot next time I get lit up, but what makes a spot "safe"?

Dingo990
06-13-2011, 09:51 PM
I want you to pull over where I light you up. I'm starting to get fed up with people that want to go through several stop lights and turn into parking lots (and quite often blocking in other people). I'm almost to point of issuing additional citations to people who don't pull over immediately.

I'm not trying to be a jerk about it. But the law is clear, pull over to the right and stop. It is also in the driving manual and a test question on the Missouri driver's license exam.

Other then that, quite often in traffic I may be trying to stop cars up the road, you don't know if I'm stopping you or someone else and if you keep driving down the road, it just makes things harder for me if you keep rolling. If you see the lights in the rearview mirror, pull over to the right and *stop* immediately, it is the law.

ateamer
06-13-2011, 11:42 PM
Pull over to the right and stop immediately, unless directed otherwise by the officer through his loudspeaker. You are not qualified to decide where a safe place to stop is. The officer is the one who knows how he is handling the stop.

TeachMe
06-14-2011, 01:43 AM
We have several streets in my town that are two lanes, both one way, with parking on the left side of the street. I have often wondered if someone is pulled over, should we stop in the right lane, (no shoulder) or pull over on the left side of the street like we are parking? I hope this makes sense. Thanks guys.

Fuerza
06-14-2011, 03:46 PM
I don't turn on the lights until we've reached what I consider a safe location. Making me follow you until you feel safe is at bare minimum a guaranteed ticket for what I initially stopped you for, and that's assuming I haven't already started to call in a failure to stop on the radio. Best bet is to pull over to the right immediately.

2nab
06-16-2011, 01:52 AM
Obviously there is no blanket statement that will cover all situations as evidently different officers will feel and behave differently in the same situation. Different states may have different laws as well regarding the safe and reasonable manner to yield to an enforcement stop. California Vehicle code states a driver "shall yield the right-of-way and shall
immediately drive to the right-hand edge or curb of the highway, clear of any intersection, and thereupon shall stop and remain
stopped..."
While the verbiage states "immediately drive to the right-hand edge or curb..." there is also sufficient case law to support an individuals right to slowly and safely continue to a location deemed safe by the individual."

When I make an enforcement stop I expect the vehicle to safely yield to the right shoulder at a safe location. I don't want someone to peg their brakes and jerk the wheel to the right to come to an "immediate stop". I recognize also that there are a good number of people while due partly to ignorance and/ or stupidity have no clue how to behave or what to do when being stopped. Yes, it as annoying and dangerous when someone stops abruptly in the traffic lane, pulls left onto a narrow center divider of the Freeway, or drives an extra 4 blocks and pulls into their driveway acting as if they have reached home-base and are now immune to tickets. However, there is no fix for stupid.

As an officer, those things do grate me but experience shows a clear distinction between someone who is attempting to flee and evade and someone who is simply clueless or who is trying to find a location they feel is safe. Basically, if you accelerate away, make evasive moves, quick turns, ignore traffic signals, etc. you will be going to jail for attempting to flee. If you slow down and make an effort (even if an-illogical one) to go somewhere you feel safe than we will be okay. I may offer you some better suggestions of how to pull over the next time and if you pull somewhere that isn't safe I will likely use the external P/A speaker and tell you where to go that is safe. Regardless, as long as you have made no attempt to evade and communicated your desire to pull to a safe spot by reducing your speed, inching over to the right, activating turn signal, etc. than you should have nothing to worry about.

Bottom line is the Officer should be able to distinguish your intent to yield or your failure to do so. If you are absolutely clueless and do something like pull left onto a non-existent freeway Center Divider or stop in the traffic lane in a way to cause a distinct hazard and endanger peoples lives than you may get a bonus citation for failing to properly yield to an emergency vehicle (not the same as attempting to flee).

However, on the flip side, if an Officer is so hyper-sensitive and full of themself that they are personally offended by you driving past their desired spot which they felt was safe (no doubt the spot was 50 feet ahead of where they activated their lights but it took you 75 feet to process and realize what was happening and to take the appropriate actions to stop) there is also no fix for that. You were slow to react, you weren't paying attention, or you didn't know what to do, that's life but that doesn't mean that the Officer should be grilling you excessively for it. You go on and stop at the next safe spot and everyone goes on with their life.

Ohio5-0
06-16-2011, 02:31 AM
I don't turn on the lights until we've reached what I consider a safe location. Making me follow you until you feel safe is at bare minimum a guaranteed ticket for what I initially stopped you for, and that's assuming I haven't already started to call in a failure to stop on the radio. Best bet is to pull over to the right immediately.

+1
My lights go on when I feel it's a safe spot.

Artimid
06-17-2011, 05:06 PM
As soon as I saw this forum I wanted to ask this question, and I see the responses.. but I have a slight question on that. I have been pulled over two times (neither with tickets or warnings) and each time it was under conditions that I was forced to drive further.
The first time I was pulled over was as I sat at a stop sign on an unused short-cut, as soon as I pulled into traffic (After 3-4 minutes because I was at a stop sign and traffic was heavy) the officer put the lights on. At this point, the only thing I could think to do was drive across the traffic and pull into a stores parking lot a bit away..
The second time was the same, except this time I realized what was happening and drove through the entire parking lot waiting for him to throw his lights on, and he didn't until I pulled into traffic again. (I waited this time because I figure what he would do so I waited until there was enough of a gap for two cars to pull out into) - and that forced me back into the parking lot. So in these cases, did I do the right thing? Or should I have swung back onto the side of the side walk or gotten on the curb or something?

When I read this, I got worried. :( I am never worried about a ticket since I don't break laws; however, I do get worried that some will do like Fuerza and suddenly I will be "running."
- Btw, while I am not an officer (obviously) I do have a huge amount of respect for people who throw on a badge every day and become, essentially, walking targets in order to protect us. So when I am asking, it really is out of the fact that I simply want to cause as little problem as possible for the officers. And so glad to find these forums, it has been super informative in just the short time I have seen it!

biw371
06-25-2011, 02:12 AM
When I turn my lights on, its time to stop. Couple days ago, I lit up a car. At 20 mph, it took him 45 seconds to stop. He passed 3 parking lot entrances that would have gone into a dealership and he finally elected to pull into the 4th parking lot entrance for a Payless Shoes. Says he didn't want to stop in the road and he didn't want to inconvenience the dealership. Needless to say, $195 fine and $93.50 court costs.

I hate that crap, just pull to the right and stop. If I don't like it, I'll tell you to move.

biw371
06-25-2011, 02:17 AM
Double post

BTR1701
07-08-2011, 06:41 PM
We pick the spot of the stop, not you.

When I lived in Houston, it was the citizen who was given the discretion as to where to stop. There was a rash of people being assaulted and robbed by thugs in black Crown Vics with police lights. The chief of police made it official policy that if you're being pulled over and you want to drive somewhere safe before stopping (a crowded mall parking lot or a police station, for example), that it's your right to do so and you would not be penalized for doing it or charged with not stopping immediately.

jeffIL
07-08-2011, 07:40 PM
Is this stuff seriously that hard? I don't get it. It isn't rocket science. If the police are behind you with the lights on, pull over. Wtf??

flash40
07-08-2011, 11:44 PM
The lights come on when I'm ready for you to stop.

Slow down, safely pull right, and come to a stop. People who stop themselves "knowing" they are about to be stopped, pull left, slam on the brakes and stop abruptly, or continue significant distances once signaled annoy me greatly and will dramatically increase the chances of citation(s).

The other day, I clocked a convertible going upper 80s in a 55 zone. I pulled out of my spot and saw him take the next exit at high speed. As I came around the blind corner, suddenly there he was, stopped on the exit Apparently he "knew" I was coming for him, didn't want me to think he was "running," and thought it was appropriate place to stop. I had to slam on the brakes and nearly hit him...ended up being a lawyer with his toddler in the car.

brusheda24
07-09-2011, 09:42 PM
I'm just a rookie but if I light someone up in a business district on a busy road with no shoulder I generally want them to pull into the next drive access so I don't have to play in traffic. If you're in a location where you can't get completely off the road just pull as far as you can to the right. If I'm flying down the road with lights and sirens I'm probably not trying to pull you over so just get out of the way as quickly as you can so I can backup my buddy who may be in trouble. If I get right behind you and then activate my lights chances are its you I'm after. I plan when to stop you but I can't always predict what you're gonna do after that. If I have to I'll tell you to pull further off the roadway or into a drive access.
Here in Florida there is a definite difference between failing to stop and fleeing to elude

NBW791
07-16-2011, 12:01 AM
To the right SAFELY as soon as you see my lights. Decrease your speed, signal and safely move over to the shoulde or as near as you can to the curb and stop. Do not pull into a parking lot, drive around the building, pull into a spot, etc. That makes me think you are preparing to do something I don't like, such as get me behind a building out of sight and start shooting at me. Makes me quick to skin that smoke wagon.

For those who fail to yield properly, they get an extra ticket to the tune of another $200 for failing to yield. I've yet to lose one in court either.

And when I'm running lights and sirens on a multi-lane roadway, don't just move over a lane and maintain your speed. Pull to the shoulder as you're required, unless you want to see me knocking on your door a couple hours later with a hard copy in hand. And yes, I've done that too. Do not pull to the left and leave your car half in the lane. That doesn't help me. That usually hurts more than it helps because I have to slow to a near crawl to get around you.

Think of it this way - if I was trying to get to YOUR house because you or one of your loved ones was in danger, wouldn't you want me to get there as quickly as possible and have all the traffic properly yield to me?

One more thing - after I pass you, do NOT slip back in behind me like I'm your personal escort. I will take the 30 seconds to stop, get out, take your license and mail you a ticket later.

Here's what our state law says:


Statute 8-1530: Duty of driver upon approach of authorized emergency vehicle. (a) Upon the immediate approach of an authorized emergency vehicle making use of an audible signal meeting the requirements of subsection (d) of K.S.A. 8-1738, and amendments thereto, and visual signals meeting the requirements of K.S.A. 8-1720, and amendments thereto, or of a police vehicle properly and lawfully making use of an audible signal only, the driver of every other vehicle shall do the following unless otherwise directed by a police officer:
(1) Yield the right-of-way;

(2) immediately drive to a position parallel to and as close as possible to the right-hand edge or curb of the roadway clear of any intersection; and

(3) stop and remain in such position until the authorized emergency vehicle has passed.

wonder140
07-22-2011, 09:56 PM
I don't get what is so hard either. It's simple in my book yet at least once a day I get a vehicle that when I activate my lights will come go a complete stop in the road then just sit there. Sometimes they follow my instructions via my loudspeaker and other times no and I have to get out of my cruiser and go to the window and tell them to pull off the road. I just don't get it....

Traffic Man
07-25-2011, 06:54 PM
I know it has been said before but what is so hard and confusing about just SAFELY PULLING TO THE RIGHT!!!???

Ok my rant is over.

SSUD
08-01-2011, 06:09 PM
One thing I've always wondered, I don't believe has been covered yet (If so I rmust have read over it). If you are on a large highway such as I-95, where there is 4-5 lanes of travel in each direction with a divider from oncoming traffic, if the driver is in the far left lane would you prefer they just stop on the left side of the road or try to get across 5 lanes of traffic and stop on the right?

creedstaind
08-04-2011, 04:11 AM
I don't like stopping on a freeway, so I don't have a problem with someone finding the next exit. I do prefer that they put on a blinker or hazard lights to acknowledge to me that they're aware that I'm trying to stop them, but want to get off the freeway first. Chances of getting run over on the freeway are probably exponentially higher than someone shooting you.

If it's non-freeway, just pull to the right and stop. I very rarely write tickets for anything, but if you're close to home and you make me follow you all the way to your garage you're definitely getting a ticket then.

NBW791
08-07-2011, 03:26 AM
One thing I've always wondered, I don't believe has been covered yet (If so I rmust have read over it). If you are on a large highway such as I-95, where there is 4-5 lanes of travel in each direction with a divider from oncoming traffic, if the driver is in the far left lane would you prefer they just stop on the left side of the road or try to get across 5 lanes of traffic and stop on the right?

Again, ALWAYS pull to the right. Pulling to the left slows us down unnecessarily if we're responding to a call and causes more problems. I had some knucklehead dynamite the brakes the other day and pull to the left just as I looked down for a split second to answer a different radio channel. Fortunately, I'm a professional driver or I may have struck them since they slowed so abruptly in front of me in the left lane.

zhakkar
08-07-2011, 04:18 AM
Again, ALWAYS pull to the right. Pulling to the left slows us down unnecessarily if we're responding to a call and causes more problems. I had some knucklehead dynamite the brakes the other day and pull to the left just as I looked down for a split second to answer a different radio channel. Fortunately, I'm a professional driver or I may have struck them since they slowed so abruptly in front of me in the left lane.


Sooooo...... You're a trucker???

Sorry, couldn't resist!!!

stevenlandry2
11-20-2011, 11:04 PM
I have been pulled over twice before.

My first stop I did not notice until I took a right turn at a traffic light. There was no shoulder on the road so I decided to drive to the first parking lot. The officer had to follow me for at least ~30 seconds. Whenever she approached my window I heard the officer report suspect has stopped. I then realized I didn't make anything safer.

My second stop was for excess speeding. A trooper with no lights on top of his car was oncoming and I had no chance to slow down. I immediately saw him hit his brakes; I pulled over before he even finished the u-turn. He thanked me and let me off with a warning.

Moral I learned: Stop then and there.

Crimy
11-24-2011, 04:05 AM
And please don't put your hazards on slow down to 25 or 30 and drive to a place half way across the city to a place that you think its safe to stop at. There is a reason we stop people at the locations we choose to do so.

Only circumstance that would justify this is you believe the person in a marked cop wear with flashing lights is real not a cop. But your *** better be on a cell phone talking to 911 dispatch the whole time.

kf4vix82
11-25-2011, 03:32 AM
Simple question. As a LEO, where do you want people (who you are pulling over) to pull over? Should people pull over ASAP or should they reduce speed and find a place that is safe for the officer to exit the vehicle and such?

A lot of the streets around me have no break down lane but have very high speeds (35, 40). I have never been pulled over, but yesterday a cop came down the roads w. lights and sirens so I quickly pulled over. After he passed I realized that had he been stopping me and I had pulled over there he would be in serious threat of being hit. That happened to a Troopers last year. I thought about the guy who was being pulled over. I'd feel part of it was my responsibility for not finding a safer place for the officer to get out. (Not to victimize the guy being pulled over, mind you. Just an honest assessment.)

When I flip on the blues, I want you to pull over as soon as reasonably possible... and what I mean by that is: Now! Put down your lipstick/cheeseburger/phone/whatever, and pull over to the RIGHT. If anyone has trouble remembering that, here's a jingle: When you see the light, pull to the right! I know it sounds stupid, but I hate turning on the blues only to have the ding dong I'm trying to stop hit their left blinker and mosey into a grocery store parking lot, crossing 2 or 4 lanes of opposing traffic just to get there.

I want people to pull to the right because #1 it's the state law! #2, Maybe I don't want to pull *you* over. Maybe I want the guy in front of you, or two cars up, and instead of being able to get around you to get him, I have to wait for you to drop your french fries, get really nervous and start looking in the rearview mirror at me, thinking to yourself "maybe If I slow down he'll turn off his lights and change his mind."

Nope. Just pull over. I promise, if It's you I'm stopping, I'll be right behind you. If not, I'll go around.

End of rant.

kf4vix82
11-25-2011, 03:40 AM
One thing I've always wondered, I don't believe has been covered yet (If so I rmust have read over it). If you are on a large highway such as I-95, where there is 4-5 lanes of travel in each direction with a divider from oncoming traffic, if the driver is in the far left lane would you prefer they just stop on the left side of the road or try to get across 5 lanes of traffic and stop on the right?

What if earthworms had machine guns? Birds wouldn't eat them!

We can play the "what if" game all day long. If an officer is trying to stop you on a 5 lane freeway, and that particular state's laws say yield to the right, what do you think you should do? And, if for some strange reason you decide to disobey the state law and move to the left, I'm sure the officer trying to stop you will either just roll with it, or walk to your door and ask you to move your vehicle.

This is not rocket science.

MoonMan83
12-16-2011, 01:11 PM
I agree with above.... when I hit the lights on my fully marked squad, I want you to pull over! Not drive up to the next off ramp, wait to turn at the green light, then pull into a parking lot of a crappy motel or something. The longer u take to pull over, the more I start to wonder what else is going on inside that car. Like kf4vix82 said... it's not rocket science and we could throw in hypothetical situations all day.

You started this thread with the words 'simple question.' and it has a simple answer that should be common sense for everyone and shouldn't even be a question in the first place.