Recognizing CCWs

[Watchman]

Just out of curiosity and as a result of another thread here, I was wondering...

How do you respond to an out of state person carrying a weapon with an out of state liscense, but one that does not have a reciprocal agreement with your state ?

Do you arrest them for having a concealed weapon ?

Do you let them "slide" ?

I realize that there are many different policys on this. Our dept. pretty much reconizes ANY permit whether we have an agreement or not.Even out of staters with no permits are usaully not hasseled about it, but it seems that the attitude of the northern states is alot more "severe" about this. What would be overlooked here would get you thrown in jail elswhere.

So...how would you handle it ?

<small>[ 10-16-2002, 09:29 PM: Message edited by: Watchman ]</small>

[Mike Sullivan]

...Or what about a civilian, with no warrants?

[4n6det]

PA law allows LEOs to carry and does not specify that they be PA LEOs. It also recognizes permits from other states as being legal. There are also several other lawful exceptions, most of which have to do with hunting, target shooting, purchasing and repair shops.

So, if you're comin' bring it with ya!

<small>[ 10-16-2002, 09:43 PM: Message edited by: 4n6det ]</small>

[shooter1201]

As long as you aren't a BG, I could care less.

[KL]

What about a Canadian LEO? Not that we even carry off-duty up here, but, hypothetically speaking, what would happen? I've heard stories of Canadian LEOs being down south for holidays and being offered handguns to carry while they are in town.

[10mmCopper]

Non criminal with or without ccw, slides. :D

[p01ic3m4n]

if it was some lady with a gun hidden in the glove box...i don't have too much of a problem with it, BUT some lady with a gun hidden in the glove box AND a big bag of weed under the seat...well, i might have a slight problem with that.

[Mike Sullivan]

Men need guns too. :rolleyes:

[AD6MJ]

In the related Squadroom thread Gary L made mention of a CHP officer arresting an Arizona man in California for having a loaded handgun on the dashboard not very far into Ca. Mr.Orange agreed that the CHP officer did the right thing. I'm not finding fault with Mr.Orange or the CHP officer. They both are going with the letter of the law. I just completed the first portion of California Level III POST training and there was a whole lot of emphasis of spirit of the law vs letter of the law. Assuming the gentleman from Az. was an upright citizen, would not the spirit of the law have been more in line with a warning? Perhaps Mr.Orange and some of the other CA officers could offer some input. My admittedly limited personal experience has been that CHP tends to be a more letter of the law culture while, at least in my area, local LE tends to be more spirit of the law oriented. This impression has also been reinforced by comments from both local officers I know personally and by several of my POST instructors.

<small>[ 10-17-2002, 01:37 PM: Message edited by: Bill R ]</small>

[PeteBroccolo]

As I have posted in other threads, and just so our USA brethren are ABSOLUTELY clear, NO ONE, either civilian or LEO/PO may bring ANY firearms into Canada without first declaring to the Customs officials that they are doing so, and then ONLY non-auto fire rifles and shotguns that have NOT been altered to be shorter than they were originally manufactured. Handguns may ONLY be brought into Canada if the owner has a valid Canadian permit to transport for those restricted weapons.

Especially post 2001-09-11, there are now Memorandums-of-Understanding between various Canadian and US LE Agencies regarding cross-border carrying of duty weapons while on duty.

However, a non-Canadian off-duty LEO/PO may NOT bring their personal, or duty, handguns into Canada, or they WILL be charged. It ain't personal, boys, but it IS how things work up here.

[cowardtn]

I had a discussion on this a couple weeks ag o and here is what I was told. GA honers FL and AL CCW I think but not TN and vica versa. I was also told that NY dosnt honor no ones?

[MikeC]

NJ does not honor any other states either. However, if I stopped another LEO there would not be a problem at all. If it was a citizen from other state (non-LEO), they are getting locked up. No if's, and's or but's about it.

[Mike Sullivan]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by MikeC:
<strong>NJ does not honor any other states either. However, if I stopped another LEO there would not be a problem at all. If it was a citizen from other state (non-LEO), they are getting locked up. No if's, and's or but's about it.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">And there lies the rub. In my opinion you should resign.

Apparently a citizen has no right to defend themself in your opinion. I wonder what all those dead people in and around DC would think of your opinion? Hey, they should have zigzagged. :(

All the more reason not to trust the police. They can't protect you and clearly YOU don't want US have the ability to protect ourself.

Wow, I have edited this a lot. Let me just say that cops like you in my opinion, are disgusting cowards. I hope you never get in a situation where a citizen could come to your aid. I wouldn't.

<small>[ 10-17-2002, 09:13 PM: Message edited by: MikeTx ]</small>

[CrazyinaJeep]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Apparently a citizen has no right to defend themself in your opinion. I wonder what all those dead people in and around DC would think of your opinion?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Police are also known as "Law Enforcement Officers." And police do not make the law -- and it is their job to enforce the law, regardless of whether or not they agree with it or not.

Your problem is the politicians, not the police officers doing their jobs.

[Mike Sullivan]

Not so. I realize poloticians pass unconstitutional laws, and they fully expect the LE people to enforce them. Some will, as in this case. This traitor to his oath has said he'll let a cop go but not me. Last I heard the law applied to police as well, and I, ME, have right to carry arms and defend myself no matter WTF some wannbe American thinks. Apparently I'm just a pos in his view. I'll resist that until I die. Screw that.

This terrorism thing is gonna tear this country apart, and so called cops like this guy are not going to be well recieved. They are against the constitution, and against ME, and the other 60 or so million like me.

I find his comments offensive and disgusting. So much so that I am ill as a result of reading his un-American remarks. Make no mistake, in my opinion, any person in authority who restricts the law abiding citizens right to life via self defense should be removed. We've seen how well they can protect people in your area, haven't we?

<small>[ 10-17-2002, 09:31 PM: Message edited by: MikeTx ]</small>

[MikeC]

And this is why I have no problem enforcing the laws of the state. C in a J is correct in saying that we don't make the laws. Now I see why we have a law like this in place...so we can disarm those who are not stable enough to carry (i.e. MikeTx). I guess this is why MikeTx never passed the background investigation when he tried so many times to get hired.
Oh well....

[Mike Sullivan]

You obfuscate rather well. I never tried to get hired as a LEO, and if I did, and found out I had to violate civil rights, I would quit.

Unlike you, I respect the law. Police like you, if indeed you are, reinforce my idea, and many many other peoples idea as well, that we American people are screwed as far as our rights go.

I think many people would be disgusted by your remarks, but may not realize you have stated them, in regards to civil rights, or may be reserved in replying to someone clearly outside the constitution, in fear of what those like you may attempt.

Thank God for the decent police I have come to trust on this forum, and locally in my community. Those people are an asset, you on the other hand, are little more than a terrorist, in my opinion.

[FLLawdog]

And with that...this is done.

Say goodnight, Gracie.