Internet Police?

[NotThatKindaGirl]

Hi,

I have a question to ask about what I should do. There is this guy who keeps mailbombing me for over a year now. It's getting intense everyday. There used to be only 100 a day but now there're like 1000 and he told me he would bomb me over 10000000 as soon as he configures his new mailbomber. Is there anything I can do about him? I already reported his provider a million times but they did nothing. Please help.

[CaptSchmooze]

Greetings,
The FBI handles those matters, to my knowledge.
Have you had your ISP contact the other guys ISP? Maybe it would help if your ISP pressured his ISP about this persons actions.

Hope this helps,
Mikey

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Tights and a cape, the true uniform of a crime fighter.

[Monty Ealerman]

NotThatKindaGirl:

Do you have a return email address for this person? If so, please post it.

Your question has technical implications.

You said that you had already reported his provider. Does that mean you had reported him to his provider, or the provider to someone else? If you know who his provider is, that information could be very useful to you.

You can block all the unwanted email, provided that you can identify a common source for it. That can be done at the ISP level, as well as at the individual account level.

If the person is technically sophisticated, he could make identifying the origin of his messages difficult, but if you already know who is providing his internet access, that implies that he is not employing any of the more sophisticated techniques for hiding the origin of his messages.

You may want to establish a new primary email address. You could establish a new email account using one of the free email services available on the net.

You can use those services to establish multiple "throwaway" email accounts. If one of them starts getting "ThatKinda" email, or any unwanted email, and the blocking option provided doesn't work, you can simply drop the account, and start using another one.

I use netscape.net for my free email account. There are other websites that provide similar services.

If you want a detailed technical explanation of some of the options available to you, you can email me from one of your throwaway accounts with a request for that.

Please note that if you use your own ISP, you don't get any real anonymity when you send a message using a throwaway email account. The message origin is still traceable to your account with your ISP.

I would like to see some samples of the emails you're getting, especially any that include bragging about the techniques used.

Your profile indicates that you are not in the US, so I suppose you may be getting the messages in a language other than English.

If you do post or email a sample, and the message is not in English, please include the original language, even if you include a translation.

Regards,

Monty

[This message has been edited by Monty Ealerman (edited 11-09-2000).]

[Rebecca]

Monty... great advice except I am curious as to why you want her to post his email address on this forum. I would hope that should a bombardment of email reach this man's mailbox that it isn't coming with the Officer.com recommendation. http://www.officer.com/ubb/eek.gif Perhaps it would be best if you two exchanged that information through a personal email contact. http://www.officer.com/ubb/wink.gif

NotThatKindaGirl... I'm sure you'll get some good advice from our members and I hope all works out for the best for you. Welcome to the forum. http://www.officer.com/ubb/smile.gif

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***Rebecca***

[Monty Ealerman]

Rebecca:

If the questioner knows the email address of a person who practices email abuse, it might be helpful to post it here, because if I were to see that email address, I could do a little investigation, and if the person turned out to indeed be an abusive emailer, I might be able to do something about it.

It doesn't make any difference to me whether I learn the email address via email or via posting, but it might be easier for the questioner, given that she has already registered with this BBS, and may be reluctant to email any of the respondents.

It's one thing to let officer.com have your IP address, and another to let Monty have it. I know I'm trustworthy, but how would she know? I can only give my personal assurance. That's why I suggested she post the email address rather than email it.

Regards,

Monty

[FLLawdog]

Pssssttt, Monty....just a little secret between you and I.....there's some weirdo's around here. Publicly posting it could put it in someone's hands, who will use it for evil...I don't think Jim and his well established web site are ready for that kind of attention. It's a nice thought, though, but I don't think it's within the best interest of all involved.



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FLLawdog
"Never try to teach a pig to sing...it wastes your time and it annoys the pig."

[dkiefner]

I agree with my colleagues, Monty. That is not the kind of attention we want to draw to officer.com.

If you wish to do your own 'investigation', kindly conduct it via email. Thanks.



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Dave Kiefner
[i]Die Wahrheit ist eine Perle. Werfen sie nicht vor die S

[NotThatKindaGirl]

Hey all, thanks so much for all your advices! You guys are the best. Ok to explain a little bit more about this. Monty, I'll email you about this later. This whole thing first happened around last year, can't remember when cos it's been so long and I have short memory! I think it's probably around April or something. This guy J one day sent me a list of all the sites I made, I didn't know how he could find all of them because to be honest, I even forgot some already. He said he would link them all from his site. I told him thanks but I didn't want him to because I didn't maintain most of them already. Then the next day, he sent me another email about my one last site that he just found so I told him hey didn't I tell you to stop. After that I was away in other country for a while so he didn't hear from me. He somehow thought I was mad at him which I wasn't. I'm not that easy in getting angry. Even if you kill me, I can't be mad at you. When I got back, I found that he ruined my guestbook, writing soemthing like gjfhhdfk for over 500 times! I had to change my guestbook countless times. Then he emailed my mailing list telling everyone what a b**ch I was for not appreciating what he did for me(what did he do for me anyway?). I replied back to the list about all truth and other members in the list seemed to feel sorry for me so they kinda wanted to get this guy away. Most of them told me just how bad he did to them as well. He then got mad and started bombing me. He can never stop since then. Everyday I would come home and find 500, 1000, 2000 or 3000 emails which of course not fun! I cannot change my email addy because I registered a site ex. boo.com so whatever he sent to boo.com gets to me. I reported to his provider(he sometimes forgot to anonymously bomb me but lately he seems to be so good at it that it comes from some other ISP which is not his). They did nothing so far, they once warned him I guess which of course made him mad and bomb me more! This guy needs a serious help. He's 37 right now and he's very crazy about this singer so much that he even somehow got her birth-certificate and went to her house! He lives in Denmark and this singer lives in England. He went to her house and found her mum which told him to get lost and for somehow he was mad at me for that! What did I do wrong! It's been too long now and he has no sign of stopping. My friends said that I was a nun for doing nothing but now I can't take it anymore so I have to ask for some help. All the suggestions are appreciated. Thanks!

[This message has been edited by NotThatKindaGirl (edited 11-10-2000).]

[Zaw]

Originally posted by NotThatKindaGirl:
Hi,


I have a question to ask about what I should do. There is this guy who keeps mailbombing me for over a year now. It's getting intense everyday. There used to be only 100 a day but now there're like 1000 and he told me he would bomb me over 10000000 as soon as he configures his new mailbomber. Is there anything I can do about him? I already reported his provider a million times but they did nothing. Please help.


Just look at your handle.. no wonder you're getting mail bombed.

[Monty Ealerman]

NotThatKindaGirl:

Thank you for your email.

The person is using a few well known tricks.

On the advice of the moderators, I won't go into further detail about this right now.

What you have provided is enough to get me started on it.

I'll email you as soon as I have anything useful to report.

Regards,

Monty

[NotThatKindaGirl]

That wasn't much help you know! You misinterpreted it! I got this username according to this song called Not That Kind from a great singer Anastacia.
Verse I:
All the time that we spent together
I won't fuss I won't fight
Trying to make you mine
You know I'm not that kind

I said I'd love you till the twelfth of never
But I won't run far ahead
Leaving you behind
You know I'm not that kind
B-Section:
Now what I say to you I would day to no other
I've got my friends I won't look for another in you
So what you gonna do

Chorus:
Cause I'm not that kind of girl
And that's not my kind of world
No it's not for me
Not where I wanna be

Verse II:
Help me out tell me what you're thinkin
If I rush slow me down you can take your time
you know I'm not that kind

If you leave I believe life will go on
Wind will blow, water flow, and the sun will shine
You know I'm not that kind

Chorus:
Cause I'm not that kind of girl
And that's not my kind of world
No it's not for me
It's not where I wanna be

No it's not my kind of thing
It's not the way we wanna swing
So let me set you free
B-Section:
Now what I say to you I would say to no other
I've got my friends I won't look for another in you
So what you gonna do

Originally posted by Zaw:

Just look at your handle.. no wonder you're getting mail bombed.



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[Monty Ealerman]

NotThatKindaGirl:

I'm confident that the perpetrator is adequately identified at this point, including contact information. I don't have absolute proof at this point, but I'm sure he'll be sending it soon enough. Details are in your email. http://www.officer.com/ubb/cool.gif

Regards,

Monty